Busting Genesis Apologetics | Reviewing their "7 Myths" Series | INTRO
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Genesis Apologetics is at is again, and it's up to me, your friendly neighborhood gibbon, to bust them for being both super wrong and incredibly ignorant! This go around we are systematically covering their "Debunking the Seven Myths about the Bible, Genesis, and Noah's Flood (full movie)" over the course of 8 episodes.
I have not watched this video in advance so this is all fresh reaction content, right out of the outrage oven.
Please Join me in the first of these episodes, the Generic Intro, where we begin our journey together.
You can find their video below:
• Debunking the Seven My...
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Email: gutsickgibbon@gmail.com
Twitter: @Gutsick_Gibbon
"Be good apes. Be great apes." That's a t-shirt waiting to happen. 🤣🤣🤣
I come to these videos as an ex-minister who was raised in a educationally sheltered home and who went on to major in NT Greek and theology at a conservative evangelical Bible college. I missed so much of this growing up, and, quite frankly, I find it very reassuring to me now that it is not just the egregious misinterpretations (or selective , convenient transliterations) that initially made me severely question what has been taught and accepted as truth from on high. There is more evidence for better questions to be asked and honest "We don't know" answers where they should be.
Right, I've never understood why saying I don't know is wrong... It's honest, since when is honest wrong...
@@neilsiebenthal9254 Honest is wrong only if you're a crook.
Darn, I wasted my afternoon attending a lecture on the systematic and paleoecology implications of late Cretaceous Antarctic dinosaurs, at Eastern Washington University, when all I needed to learn about dinosaurs was to download the Genesis Apologetics phone ap.
Yeah RJ, way to waste your time when you could be enjoying genesis apologetic's appeal to the hip youngsters.
@@GutsickGibbon As you know, I am the very embodiment of hip ... (ah, um, harrumph).
I see you attended the optional workshop on snark
@@johnbrinsmead3316 I would not be surprised if RJ was a founding member.
The reason why they get hung up on creation is as follows: No creation=no original sin. Without that sin man isn't "fallen" and there is no reason for the entire Jesus narrative.
Except that’s a completely false dichotomy. The Eastern Orthodox Church doesn’t hold to original sin and they very much believe the Jesus narrative.
"More redactions than an SCP article." LOL. Also make sure you read SCP 1000, it's about hominins.
Dapper Dino god, I don’t run into many fellow SCP fans haha
@@SlightlyOddGuy Yeah the reference in the video caught me off guard 😍
This makes me so happy
Hell yeah, SCP forever.
"I like the idea of evangelicals gathering around the tv and putting on 'Debunking the Seven Myths...'"
My actual childhood.
Same. We borrowed Kent Hovind tapes from the church library.
@@LimeyLassen Kent was convincing to a 6year old...
Regarding Lucy: The 10% of the brain myth irked me a bit too, but the movie is not half bad.
Should have gone for "Our new drug hypercharges the brain" idea without that myth, that would have been fine.
And slight spoiler, the hominid Lucy also made a small appearance.
They say if you don't believe Genesis 1 why believe John 3:16? I agree with them on that. I'm just in the opposite side.
As long as god's "love" includes standing aside during wars and giving babies cancer, his "giving his only begotten son" is not enough BY FAR. Especially as sin is not a problem without god making it one.
If good is all powerful than why does he have to give his only begotten son in the first place? The hole thing seems so contradicting to me.
Lmao searching bible passages in Incognito mode!
Well done, Erika.
The irony is that the thing that would actually change peoples minds about Christianity if Jesus came to show them a movie about the history of the world is you know the fact that *Jesus is there.* You know, actual proof of his existence?
Is Jesus Real? - Non-biblical Evidence of His Existence - ua-cam.com/video/4bLlpiWh9-k/v-deo.html
Erika has such an engaging manner about her. I love her facial expressions. She puts so much interest into her videos. I don’t know how to describe it but however she does it I love to watch her videos! And I’ve said this before, Erika, Dapper Dinosaur, Jackson Wheat and RJ Downard are always awesome when together!
They're all welcome on my show.
@James Downard I love your show too RJ. I just ordered yours and Jackson’s book. I didn’t know it was out until I heard the last Contested Bones stream. Read the ten or so pages on amazon (preview) and now I’m hungry for more! Keep up the great work!
I also like Paulogia, The Skep-tic, Aron Ra, and Logicked.
I was just watching your Noah’s flood Genesis Apologetics response when this notification came in 😂
You summoned me!
The idea that accepting evolution weakens your "walk with God" is illogical. The one has nothing to do with the other. But if you're trying actively to turn young people away from Christianity, claiming that either the Bible is literal or Christianity is invalid is how you'd do it. When I was a kid being raised on this nonsense, I was told repeatedly that the scientific community was doing this because they didn't like the idea that they were sinful and wanted to disprove God so they could disprove their own need for a savior, and that was why they were promoting this theory of evolution. No. Young Earth Creationists have decided they must disprove science because they are afraid their religion has nothing to offer people if 100% of it is not factually literal. If the Old and New Testaments together are factually correct, then Christianity has something no other religion has--literal truth on their side. If any part of it is metaphorical (as many parts of it are), then they have to think of some other reason people should choose their religion over the others. Any kind of second glance at this stuff reveals how very fragile Young Earth Creationists feel their own faith really is, if it can be toppled so easily by National Geographic.
I was following your Twitter after someone retweeted something awesome, then came over here after you were on Paulogia, definitely liking and subscribing! From the SCP redaction jokes, to using various Bible editions to show how the Creationists were using a verse out of context, all around awesome video.
Sure dinosaurs walked alongside humans. I used to have pet chickens as a kid. But I doubt that's the sort of dinosaurs this guy means.
@Sabatua - And I used to have a lovely little Parakeetasaurus named "Feathers".
This video you’re showing reminds me of the type of video you get at a new hire introduction for a company, you know like company propaganda.
"Everyone watching this, you're all apes."
My cat wants you to know that he's extremely offended by this.
Joke's on them! I was taught that science and religion were completely compatible... in Sunday School at my Southern Baptist church in the mid 90's. Didn't even need to wait till college.
Genesis Apologetics! Time to strap in.
Basically all I'm getting from this intro is the GA video is: "No True Scotsman - The Movie!"
@nateklein7084 - So true!
Or... It's raining men! Also technically we are made of dust.. Star dust..
Yes, your efforts to combat their dishonesty is tedious and infuriating at times but please know that many of us realize it’s essential in these times. Thanks as always. Keep up the great work and remember to stay ethereal.
@williammeyer214 - Personally, I think it's fascinating. First, it gives me evidence to use against the born-agains in the extended family and second, I learn a whole lot of science from Teacher Gibbons along the way.
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It is one thing for Ms Gibbons to present well-researched rebuttals, but if they are not watched / liked / commented upon / subscribed, they will sink like a stone in the UA-cam algorithm - something that those YEC goofs would LOVE to happen.
Idk why theologists get mad at evolution. They should be mad at the bible for a poor job at describing the history of early humans and millions of years before.
Late to the party here, but I loved your demolition of Hovind.
GA, and other creationists seem to forget that the books of the Bible deemed "history" are Joshua, Judges, Kings, and Chroncles, and although they match some verified historical events in places, are not the most... reliable of documents.
Genesis is a collection of poetic myths. I've seen enough lectures on it by Bible scholars and rabbis to suspect that even the ancient Istaelites knew not to take it as 100% fact.
Don't bother going to the original video to comment, they are turned off because they are afraid of dialogue.
Noticed that myself...
@@GutsickGibbon Keep up the good work, I look forward to your videos!!
Someone has probably explained this already in the comments here but I want to do it, too.😉
Genesis is important to Christians (of which I am NOT one) because in the garden of eden story, Adam and Eve commit the first sin by eating the forbidden fruit. This is labeled "Original Sin". This is the sin that has doomed mankind and had to be absolved by Jesus's death. All the other stuff in the OT is there to show how mighty God is and how you should fear him. And it also shows how important God's need for sacrifice is to absolve sin. Among the books of the OT are sprinkled events and phrases that Christians claim predict Jesus's sacrifice, though they tend to cherry-pick in the extreme to get these to work as prophesy IMO.
In a nut shell, that is my summation of why all the seemingly superfluous OT books are necessary to support Christian theology.
there's something so satisfying about this intro. for me it's right up there with FTFE's intro, "we're living on a disc with a tiny sun [FIST BREAKS THROUGH GLASS] Fight the flat earth"
Lol. I would love to see the look on Ray Comfort's hideously narcissistic face upon hearing you call Living Waters a "mid-tier" creationist organization.
Thanks for doing this. After listening to your videos for a few months now, I'm finally getting your subtle form of humor alongside the great information you share. Not sure if they were off the cuff remarks or not, but very entertaining and I believe you are on your way to earning many more subscribers!
I feel like I was not only able to behold the busting, but like I was a part of it. An arthropod finding solidarity among the apes. Thank you gentle, modern primate!
My response to the "we only use 10% of our brain" myth is let me cut out 90% and see how you function.
That myth is at best a very basic misunderstanding, like the old "spinach is the best source of iron in your nutrition" (the measurement was done in dehydrated (freezedried) spinach... but we eat that stuff hydrated so it's at least 10 time lower, making it only average in iron content) as that an EKG or MRI will only show activity in parts of your brain and it rarely goes over 15, 20 %, so with less advanced instruments an average of 10% might be imaginable as result of a serious study... BUT the parts that are active when we walk are different from the bits we use when we talk or wash our hands or take a dump... so over a normal day we use more or less all out non memory related neurons at least once, killing the myth thoroughly.
Not a myth. John Maddox has had 95% of his brain removed and he’s doing just fine
@@fatalisticsandwich6918 - It is a myth. (And I looked at the men named "John Maddox" in Wikipedia - Their brains were all intact.)
Another series? Yay! Are all the part ones a ploy to get subscriptions though? If so, it worked on me.
Genesis Apologetics are right about the importance of Genesis in one respect, and that is without the Original Sin of eating from the Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil, leading to the Fall Of Man, being kicked out of the Garden Of Eden, there would be no reason for Jesus to have died on the cross as a sacrifice to be raised from dead three days later, which is the cornerstone for (orthodox) Christian belief.
What's worse:
That Original Sin is stated to have allowed evil to enter the world. But the fact that it was called the Original Sin means evil was *already in the world* to begin with, and if the creationist wants to argue that there *was* no evil before the Original Sin, then why the hell was it called the Tree Of The Knowledge of Good AND Evil?
The YECs can't have it both ways - either way, Evil has to be there from the very start.
Getting through this full movie is going to take like 10 hours.
1 Timothy 6:20 is basically a polemic against the gnostics, it has nothing to do with condemning modern science.
I admire your patience. Thank you Erika!
I can't remember who it was, but I saw someone else react to this video and their response to the "if Jesus returned tomorrow" part was that that was like saying, "Would you believe me if I was proven right?"
What's the opening track in your intro? Love your videos/debates!
Proleter: April Showers
And thank you!
@@GutsickGibbon o! I actually know who that is lol awesome, thanks!
The reason Genesis must be taken literally is that without a literal Adam and Eve there is no original sin, no need for salvation from that sin, and thus no need for Jesus. In order to sell Jesus to people he must solve a problem, and that problem requires a literal interpretation of Genesis.
Another great video, thanks!
wow, you watched a 47 minute video in 4 minutes?
Yes, God gave me super powers
@@Gremriel it's Erika. We know it's gonna be good before we watch.
Thank you!
@@Vivi2372 This is very kind!
I like how the supposed 7 "myths" are actually all true!
Aron Ra has also covered "Fun with Dick and Jane".
My words have more meaning if I digitize a megaphone effect!
MumboJumbo will be interested to know that your intro is his old outro. 😁
It's just a good song!
Bad science aside Lucy was an enjoyable action story with a bit of philosophy thrown in. I'd recommend watching it at least once.
I adore the Croods I haven't seen missing link but been thinking about it
Erika they need "Original Sin" (Adam and Eve condemning all their descendants) to be "true" so they have their threat-stick to whack people into submission under the other doctrine with.
No Stick/sin, no religious followers for them. No money and authority either.
The yellow square is Day 1 (Light), then blue Day 2 (separating the waters), green Day 3 (dry land and the plants upon it, still without a sun. Ouch!), black/Star Day 4 (sun, Moon, Stars on the Firmament), red Day 5 (life) and brown Day 6 (human) Seems "resting" does not deserve a "god on the poolside" icon.
Christian scholars, not secular scholars, all agree Moses did not write Genesis. I mean even his own team disagrees with this clown
Great stuff as always 👏👏
That is indeed a sheep, a lamb.
And I believe that the vast majority of the events of the Bible were not historical at all.
It'd be cool if you legally changed your name to Velma Dinkley.
I always say, I respect people with these views more than the ones that try to twist the words into metaphors. Outright denying reality and having that conviction is more respectable to me than trying to pretend a wholly ignorant book aligns at all with reality.
Great video! Can't wait for more!
I love the scoffer verse. A bullshit artist tells his marks "someone someday will call bullshit on me." Then the sheep, "that's not an obvious thing that happens...its pROpHecY.🙄
Just a hello for the algorithm.
“Follow me on Twitter. I demand this of you.” 😂😂😂
But I already follow you! 🤪
TIL the KGB has its own version of the Bible.
Man, I agreed with everything he said around the 4:30 to 5:30 mark!
A lot of the Bible references historical events, but in the way a teenager can explain historical events of three hundred years ago on a different continent. The names used have been warped over the centuries, due to the need to understand the current events of the oral histories they are based on, as well as all of the translations. The greatest problem with understanding the history in the Bible tends to be due to not knowing who actually wrote many of the books. The book of James, as written by Anonymous. The book of Matthew, as written by Anonymous. In the end, we are left a history that reads more like, "the Crusades, as recounted by a 20th century American." So I would disagree that the history in the Bible is much more accurate than the biology found within it :(
It's the ones that don't seem threatening that are the most dangerous cause they are able to spread more misinformation since no one challenges them
10 seconds in and this feels like a flat earth or other conspiracy video.
(if you mean 10 seconds into my video, ouch, if you mean 10 seconds into the Genesis Apologetics video I agree)
Me: Instantly goes to look up proboscis monkeys to see the erection picture and count the number of pictures that I find.
Also me: why is there a plushie with a red rocket?
Is it just me or is the video echoing?
The "Bible is the word of God" in precisely the same way as Greek mythology is the word of Zeus or Norse mythology is the word of Oden. All of these are the words of men and nothing else.
It was a sheep.... and she corrected herself
😲 speaking to us from the past you are a time traveler 🤪😂🤣🤣
8:03 "Pew pew" - Gutsick Gibbon 2020
let me be THAT guy for a moment, he's accidentally correct about one point:
dinosaurs walked with humans, in fact, they still do... well, some walk, most are stuck in cages too small to walk around in, others fly.
So, you think IIPeter was written in Hebrew? Really? 13:14
In the original Greek (and Greek is the original), the word is kosmos which does mean the entire universe (that is, the flat earth covered by a dome with the sun moon and stars hanging inside the dome, and the endless ocean outside, in the author's understanding).
This is a fair critique! Again, I am not a theologian nor a linguist, I'm a life-science person doing my best. I mostly react to these having not seen them previously, which means research is done on the fly. I appreciate the feedback!
A Hebrew writing to Hebrews in Greek? Instead of Hebrew something they would have been raised writing and reading in temple. The oldest copies we have are Greek, but considering the supposed author and audience it was probably written in Hebrew.
@@punkrockllama And can you cite a peer-reviewed article which argues for this novel view?
I'm going off of what I remember from looking into this kind of thing when I was going to teach the bible (5-ish years ago). So I may be totally off base. Also, Aramaic was more likely the language, at least, spoken.
I did a quick search online to see. Paul 2 was probably written in more formal Greek than Paul 1. Which is part of why it's thought to not be written by the same author (and I am possibly wrong). Wiki has a page on "Aramaic new testament" that is an interesting read.
There seems to be fuzziness on if the Gospels were written in Greek, Aramaic or maybe the result of Aramaic speakers writing in Greek or Koine Greek. I don't think the language written is going to change much in someones religious life anyhow.
knowing the exact language of letters written in a period of time is hard.
@@punkrockllama The New Testament authors were Aramaic speakers but they wrote in Greek as a matter of prestige--much the same way English is used in India. The Aramaic NT is a translation of the Greek originals into Aramaic. I can't say I've ever looked at the wikipedia page on the subject, just a few books and articles. I am anxious to learn more of these documents you speak of: Paul 1 and Paul 2. Despite a lifetime of studying Patristics and the NT I confess I have never heard of them.
Can you make me a cool new intro like that before you leave for the jungle 🤩
32:24 "go to the principles office". the joke of all time
"No one is saying there was no Jesus"
Actually, a whole lot of people argue and believe this. I think there probably was a guy named Jesus who probably said a lot of the stuff the new testament reflects, but that's as far as I go. My brother, on the other hand, makes a very decent case that Jesus is entirely fictional.
Honestly, I'm mostly willing to concede that Jesus existed because it doesn't really matter to me as an agnostic, so whatever, guy named Jesus, okay. Makes no difference to me because, regardless of his actual existence, the new testament has good advice for how to conduct your life ethically with regard to how we treat other people. It's an incredibly novel set of ethical ideas for western monotheistic religion that many modern christian fundamentalists don't seem to get at all. Not proven to be completely accurate, not totally consistent, but all around a good book.
In any case, I just wanted to clarify that lots of people do believe that there was no guy named Jesus, and while I don't find that idea useful, they are well within reason to suggest it.
I’d like to give you the benefit of the doubt. But if you think the bible is a good book of ethics, you are clearly dishonest.
Let me guess, you think you’re allowed to pick and choose which lessons to follow. If you believe that, you don’t believe in the book.
@@nickguy8037 I think I just got done telling you that, no, I don't believe in the book. I just think it has a lot of things to say about treating other people like they matter as much as you do that have a nice ethical symmetry to them. If you need to buy the whole story to convince you that this is how to conduct yourself, fine, I hope you're right. I have different reasons that lead me to some conclusions that are not that different. In the context of how the other monotheists of the time were thinking, I happen to think the philosophy is a great jump forward.
@@davidhand9721 it may have been back then.
Now it is past it’s use-by-date.
Picking and choosing which bits to follow show why the book is now worthless as anything other than a historical artefact.
What gets me is why do all these creationists call themselves "Apologetics", think they might be apologising for believing this debunked "Once uopn a time" fairy tale, called Genesis.
It's from apologia, Greek for "to speak in defense" of.
Just an FYI, if you still care. = D
@@iami3rian394 I'm not to old to learn something new yet in my late 50s, hope I never am. So, it's just really bad marketing.
Regardless of the root meaning in ancient Greek the term is far to close to apologist, to keep using.
Which has a modern English meaning of making excuses for a bad opinion., and most UA-cam viewers don't speak ancient Greek.
@@uhurunuru6609 I'm... not sure it's from ancient Greek. Your point still stands, however.
I mean, they say "evidences" they're not exactly concerned with looking normal.
@@iami3rian394 It is from Plato, and Aristotle, I checked.
Roots of English words where the meaning has fundamentally changed, are always very old.
well misery loves company so lets get this show started. Yom refers to a period of time and not an actual day it could be a day, a year, a lunch, a life time it just meant from the beginning to the end of the event. Sheep are a variant of goat. Wait Biologist aren't part of an Illuminati club? Dam that's why i started studying to start with, that and of course the obsession with sex. Yea im not sure why they need genesis to be real except its so wrong it puts into question the whole book, I dont think i agree with your being special theory as if god created humans they would still be special regardless of how. That's also not how tree roots look like or work both images are to small to support a tree that size.
These are some lovely points, and I appreciate the feedback! I too wish the biology conspiracy club was legitimate.
68 % is still a lot ! Poor America
It's a combination of ego and a hang up with the doctrine of original sin. Ie "if Adam and eve didnt exist and bring sin into the world then jesus's sacrifice was pointless".
Poor Barry the Intern ;n;
I always love how people like Genesis Apologists forget that the Bible more clearly warns against "false prophets" (aka those professing that they are speaking with gods word for no human can know the will of god, according to the Bible) than any scientific theory presented today 😂 as you say Erika, seems a bit... blasphemous
23:00 #notlikeotherspecies
is that voice ai?
ok this is from 16 months ago, but Aron just did that same damn thing playing the whole of that horribly ad. i have to diligently choose dont show me this ad because to google, atheism is religion, that or they are not so secretly forcing apologetics ads on non theism content.
But don’t you think it’s wonderful that theists are paying Erica for ads that we all laugh at?
@@budd2nd no, i dont want to hear anything from them, ever. except so the debunker youtuber can then explain why theyre wrong
I’d rather suffer through their ads they pay for and disregard them, than have someone who would respond to the ad see it.
Me seeing it hurts their pocket. Good.
Ahh yes, the power of god destroyed by those child biology books. So much for that all powerful god, just like god was destroyed by horse drawn chariots. Can you feel the power
I have way less beef with Genesis than the whole New Testament. They did not knew any better in the bronze age! Genesis is an account of understanding and knowledge ancient man had. But New Testament? That's just a bunch of tripping cultists.
Why is this the hill to die on? Because it’s clear Jesus believed it. If the food didn’t happen, if Adam & Eve didn’t exist, Jesus was completely wrong
Good work.
Bookmark 29:31
The voice modulation of the genesis apologetics movie needs to be purged. my eaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaars!
Original sin, without it; Jesus is pointless.
I bet my uncle saw that video he would believe it hook line and sinker hes a young earth creationist Bible literalist and I can't stand it
Dumb joke that has to be made. At around 32.34. You said "Go to the principles office". Do you mean the basic principles office? 🤣🤣
Enjoy a fantasy or SciFi movie for being a movie? Are you insane? Lol
Lol..dinosaurs exist in Congo...come down to Africa..you'll see it
Not just in congo, though, they exist literally everywhere on earth. in fact, i have a few chunks of their meat on my fridge
@@manusiabumi7673 going to have some for Yule
2peter wasn't written in hebrew
I think the girl is being bullied for her gingerhood.
There is such a thing as editing. It lets you make a video so you don't have to show yourself doing google searches in the middle of the video.
I like the live response style myself.
Here's the thing, my edited videos take multiple days as they are heavily sourced and are done using an archaic but free program. I am preparing to leave for 3 months to head to do my data collection in Malaysia, meaning no editing or recording can occur. This is a means by which I can provide quick content and commentary that can release on a schedule while I am gone so my subscribers don't experience a complete radio silence. If you're not a fan, I apologize, but I have to compromise and release both kinds of content for the time being.
@@josiahhanson1920 I'm so glad! I know it's not polished but that's where I'm at time wise right now.
This style is more authentic and real. It's the best way to put a video up imo.
Weak arguments so far
Weak arguments?
It’s not like there are strong arguments that need much rebuttal from GA. Why put more effort in?
Why not
Why does science always have to change but the bible doesn't on this topic.
Because science wants to be right.
The bible doesn’t care it is wrong, just that you believe it.
@@nickguy8037 is the bible ever wrong though
@@joescott4073 seriously?
I mean, seriously?
That collection of documents is so wrong on so many points and in so many places that it’s use today is baffling.
@@nickguy8037 how come u can't even name one thing the bible got wrong
@@joescott4073 how come you say things that ain’t true?
I love how people like you keep trying to defend yourselves by accusing us of your faults. It’s hilarious.
Kkk you actually just mocking I'm not really seeing much knowledge here
Cool, if you want actual understanding of science, Erika has much longer form videos that you can watch with a lot more information. Also funny that you have a Jordan Peterson pfp when you’re literally living an unsupported biblical lie about how the earth and life came to be, when he constantly talks about how much truth is important to him.
@@beantownbanshees what do you mean by an actual understanding of science 🤔 do you think i would believe in creation if i did not have an actual understanding science? And what do you mean by biblical lie where you there?
@@joescott4073 were you there? I consider it a lie to support a book full of unbelievable things without evidence, and claim that it’s true, since you cannot know that . And no, there is not any real scientific backing to young earth creationism, you would know that if you watched more of the videos on this channel debunking those ideas, as I said. For example, the heat problem.
@@beantownbanshees did you look for the evidence and failed to find it ? Or let me ask this what of evidence will do
@@joescott4073 bro I genuinely don’t know what the fuck your comment is trying to say. I’ve given you a source for arguments debunking young earth creationism, and all you’re saying is that there’s evidence for it and absolutely nothing else.