I prefer the old style flip up handles - it’s a whole lot easier cooking over a campfire as the handle creates a third point of contact with the ground (much more stable) and the slit in the handle is designed to give you the ability to insert a stick or your knife and pick it up (the handle gets hot in a fire).
I use Smart Water Bottles , recycle when back home and get a new set for the next trip. The Titanium Canteen Cup , I really do like it. Easy to use , cleans in a flash and cools really quickly when empty and is food friendly , does not add or subtract to the flavor of items. Squeeze the handle together till they click and they will stay that way till you separate them. .
Honestly, if a person is constantly outdoors during their off time and wants to save as much weight as possible; the titanium set-up is going to be worth it.... to them. If such a canteen set is only occasionally used by someone once in a awhile who mainly likes to camp in one spot when they do go out, then the $50.oo set-up is going to make more sense for that type of individual. Personally, I like to split the difference. 32 oz. Nalgene Oasis canteen combined with a Ti mess kit consisting of a canteen cup, a shallower Ti cup, with Ti lid. Toss in a decent aftermarket carrier for all of that, we're talking closer to $100.oo (yes, the canteen is high-grade plastic, but you still have two cups and a lid for boiling water).
For me, it's worth it. It is an expense but if you consider it's going to last a long time, the days, weeks, months and eventually years you end up using it the weight saving value will pay off. An old GI one from a surplus store is probably the best value budget option however.
Not sure if it's _actually_ worth the money because the water itself is heavy but it sure looks cool and it will probably last many, many years. It's the kind of thing that you find an excuse to buy :)
That's a great set I'm sure. I don't worry much about weight because I don't carry a lot of gear that is just going to sit in my pack, I only carry what i'm gonna use.
I've been looking at this cook kit for a long time. It's just so expensive haha. I think I might be leaning towards the SS pathfinder setup because its 1/3 the price. Thanks for the information, I like your channel !
I'm a titanium fetishist. I've spent so money on and amassed quite a number of titanium products. I've used this product to every end. I've gotten my money's worth over the years. I've never had a better canteen mess kit. Although, for the cost, there now is one. It comes with two nesting pots, a lid, and a 34oz canteen all in a nylon pouch. The only reason I haven't bought it? I own this one. I feel like I'm maximally invested and can make do. However, I already know that I'm going to crumble and buy the new version too.
Nice! I appreciate the fair review! I was going for the larger mouth of the titanium and was ready to purchase solely for that reason! But now that i know that theres another thats cheaper! I will be buying that one! I can definitely see why the titanium would be better! If I was climbing Mt Everest Id want the lightest gear i could find lol! Thanks again!
Nice review, Ernie. In regards to the canteen cup, yes I agree that the design is superior. ** However,that exact design of locking handles and cup shape was invented decades ago. That engineering can be seen in the USGI Canteen Cup. Just thought you would like to know.
Really helpful review. Good merits to the Titanium. Weight comparison was good but both the canteen and the cup of the Pathfinder has more capacity. I like the handle of the Pathfinder better due to the 3 pt stability. I do not drink from my canteen up but rather poor into another vessel like a Kupilka cup. I also like the measurement marking in the Pathfinder. Would much rather melt snow in the Pathfinder canteen due to the wide mouth.
just bought it, 169 dollars right? nothin beats that combined with a lifestraw. on the go. syphoon water quick with straw n save water u can boiil later str8 out the canteen and food in cups
Keith Titanium and Pathfinder both sell Bottle kits, I think 40oz and there are nesting cups available. Canteens are cool in a retro style way, but the bottle would have merits for packing. Just curious if you looked at those alternatives.
Prepper stuff. Made for carrying in cargo pocket pants. Military style cookware is pretty inefficient for use with an alcohol stove due to the narrow base, which makes it less stable if you go stoveless, using rocks as a pot stand with a cooking fire or Esbit tabs. A single walled, screw top, large water bottle is the most versatile piece of kit for minimalist/survival use (though not any more stable). For rehydrating freeze dried food in a pouch, carrying water, sterilizing it in a campfire, it can't be beat. It also makes a great leak-proof hot water bottle for cold weather sleeping. Paired with a titanium cup, it's an awesome, complete system for Esbit tabs or a butane stove (campfire or coffee can hobo stove, too). Not good for frying food, or use with an alcohol stove (wastes too much heat). My Klean Kanteen 40 oz. stainless steel bottle fits perfectly in my Snow Peak 700ml cup. Now, if they only made the water bottle in titanium.🤔
Great review. I have the Keith setup. I like it but I have had problems with the lid but overall I’ve really liked mine. Thanks for sharing and I enjoyed watching. 👍
The only reason stainless would distribute heat more evenly is if the stainless has more mass. Otherwise they are about the same. Stainless is lousy for cooking unless mass is added to the bottom, especially a metal like aluminum or copper.
i've got from aliexpress for almost 1/4 the price of titanium set a stainless steel one which includes the canteen with the exact butterfly handheld, a lid for canteen with holes in it for letting the steam out (the titanium one doesn't have) , a stove and the cup and a textile pack for this set with a molle system to attach on backpack. all this set is about 40 bucks where the titanium set is 170 bucks. Let's be honest, for 300 grams you save a lot of money and to carry 300 grams in plus it's not that a big deal.
Rhetorical Answer how can you be sure that the SS that you buy from other countries isn’t in fact produced in China? I think a big part of them are from China and sold under “non chinese name” brands in other countries. The canteen that I bought is from a company that makes also titanium products and I somehow trust it, Jolmo Lander is the brand. It seems alright what they make.
G'day Ernie, firstly thanks for another great video. Regarding the Steripen and canteen's, I am in the (Australian) military and have both the traditional plastic (rubbish) canteens and some of the Mil-tech Tritan canteens, same as the Nalgene Oasis. The rubber tapered bit of the steripen just above the glass section actually fits really snug into the canteen mouth. You can fit the steripen, invert the canteen and swirl it around to disinfect your water, it works great. That wouldn't work with the pathfinder canteen though you have already stated the steripen will fit inside the wide mouth. I don't know if it would fit in the titanium canteen, I would be interested to find out. Thank you and best wishes.
Looking inside the canteen, can you see the seam that runs around the center or is it smooth/flat? I'm wondering if that crease holds the canteen together or if I can grind that stupid thing down.
So I have been thinking about picking one of these up for a while I pulled the trigger on it and it's great the only thing that is weird is there an internal lip that stops the last bit of water from coming out like the neck of the canteen comes down past it's shoulders by almost a centimetre you can feel it with you finger (by feeling the inside the bottleneck, the very bottom part) , does yours have that or is mine a lemon? Keep up the good work
My wife would kill me if i spent that much on a canteen. I have as a lightweight solution the VDV paratroop canteen set and the Yugoslavian army canteen set. As tough gear i use an M-1910 replica stainless steel canteen cup set. And at work a Nalgene bottle with nesting cup. For more cooking action with the family the billy can or Czech army mess kit stainless steel. My hiking kit is never ultralight.
One disappointment I have with the Pathfinder SS canteen is that the cap threads are not Nalgene compatible. I checked with Pathfinder and they said it was too hard to manufacture. Hah! My ThermoFlask thermos bottles' caps are interchangeable with Nalgene.
Heres why the weight argument doesnt make sense to me. When empty, the titanium only weighs 48.6% of the steel. That's a 51.4% weight reduction- very impressive! But wait... When filled with 1.1L of water (approx 3,785g), the titanium weighs 3,945g, compared to the steel at 4,114g. That means the titanium only weighs 95.89% of the steel. Is the extra hundred dollars worth saving 4.11% of the weight of steel? I would argue no. That weight savings gap closes real fast when they're full.
I have the Nalgene Oasis canteen with the USGI canteen cup. I think you’ve convinced me to get the titanium cup to save weight but I’m gonna save the money and keep the Nalgene canteen itself. So my question is, will the Nalgene fit inside the titanium cup? 😬😬 I freaking love gear!!! lol Definitely looking forward to your coming outdoor vids Ernie! I’ll be vicariously living through you as I finish this last semester of accounting school so make em happen for me boss! 👍👊 🔥 ⛺️
I have also wanted one of these for a very long time, but I just can't do it. Too expensive.. If I'm taking a canteen it would be for a bushcrafting or in the winter where there's not much hiking. I don't look at weights then, I just carry everything in. That's how I got the name "PackMule". I always have the Toaks titanium pot for hiking if I do go lightweight. Saying all that I would still love to have one of these.
I have had my Keith canteen set for a year now and I have almost been using it on a daily basis. This is my first experience with titanium. Pros: it's so great to have that lightweight on the hikes and as a general multi-purpose carry-on water bottle. Cons: it came out of the package with strong metallic taste I had to get rid of with hot sodium bicarbonate soak and wash. In comparison with steel I am not 100% convinced about the durability regards to resistance of long-term abuse. I absolutely love the carry-on system but I also feel like babysitting the whole kit at the same time. Still, the experience has been positive overall. Can you guys recommend a brush to clean the canteen bottle from the inside?
I bought the 1.2L Keith Titanium water bottle, the Ti3208 cup, and their small tea infuser. I sent back the latter two, because they arrived in 2nd hand condition and were flawed. But even after sending out emails to all three global offices, I have yet to receive a financial return on the items I sent back to their EU hq in Paris, even six months later! I recommend to avoid Keith Titanium, as tempting as their pricing may be.
You're an overly wordy idiot. You're telling a "woe is me" story and nobody cares because you're a loser. You know how we know you're a loser? You're losing. You say that their pricing is tempting? It's four times more expensive than buying factory direct. You say you still haven't gotten your money back and you returned the product? That means you didn't contact the company first to figure out how to go about the return. Once again, you're an idiot and no matter how many words you use or how you say it, you're providing all the evidence.
@@mattmarzula I wrote to all three of their global headquarters! They have one in Hong Kong, one in the US, and one in Paris. Do you expect me to learn Chinese and look up their family homes too?! I sent them pictures, I even sent the items back, and no response whatsoever! What else could I do?? If you're so intelligent, you should know...And no, this is not about winning or losing. I truly believed in that I chose the right company to buy my small outdoor kitchen from. Would you maintain this belief, if you were in my position?
Looking inside the canteen, can you see the seam that runs around the center or is it smooth/flat? I'm wondering if that crease holds the canteen together or if I can grind that stupid thing down.
I guess someone doesn't know that in order for certain materials to be capable of handling heat you need it to be thicker to avoid warping and possibly having the weld seams weakening....or if you really want something light eat the price of titanium and don't complain? by the way simple question why use all caps on IF and THINNER it makes your comment come off as completely asinine.
Light weight or is that lite ?...lol oh well, I'm in the same ballpark like you brother,if someone gives me one or of the like, then I would enjoy it without the feeling of a sore butt cheek from the money extraction ... Lol
Keith Titanium and Pathfinder both sell Bottle kits, I think 40oz and there are nesting cups available. Canteens are cool in a retro style way, but the bottle would have merits for packing. Just curious if you looked at those alternatives.
I prefer the old style flip up handles - it’s a whole lot easier cooking over a campfire as the handle creates a third point of contact with the ground (much more stable) and the slit in the handle is designed to give you the ability to insert a stick or your knife and pick it up (the handle gets hot in a fire).
I use Smart Water Bottles , recycle when back home and get a new set for the next trip. The Titanium Canteen Cup , I really do like it. Easy to use , cleans in a flash and cools really quickly when empty and is food friendly , does not add or subtract to the flavor of items. Squeeze the handle together till they click and they will stay that way till you separate them. .
Honestly, if a person is constantly outdoors during their off time and wants to save as much weight as possible; the titanium set-up is going to be worth it.... to them. If such a canteen set is only occasionally used by someone once in a awhile who mainly likes to camp in one spot when they do go out, then the $50.oo set-up is going to make more sense for that type of individual.
Personally, I like to split the difference. 32 oz. Nalgene Oasis canteen combined with a Ti mess kit consisting of a canteen cup, a shallower Ti cup, with Ti lid. Toss in a decent aftermarket carrier for all of that, we're talking closer to $100.oo (yes, the canteen is high-grade plastic, but you still have two cups and a lid for boiling water).
the entire titanium set weighs the same as the steel cup alone, nuff said
For me, it's worth it.
It is an expense but if you consider it's going to last a long time, the days, weeks, months and eventually years you end up using it the weight saving value will pay off.
An old GI one from a surplus store is probably the best value budget option however.
Not sure if it's _actually_ worth the money because the water itself is heavy but it sure looks cool and it will probably last many, many years. It's the kind of thing that you find an excuse to buy :)
That's a great set I'm sure. I don't worry much about weight because I don't carry a lot of gear that is just going to sit in my pack, I only carry what i'm gonna use.
I've been looking at this cook kit for a long time. It's just so expensive haha. I think I might be leaning towards the SS pathfinder setup because its 1/3 the price. Thanks for the information, I like your channel !
I'm a titanium fetishist. I've spent so money on and amassed quite a number of titanium products.
I've used this product to every end. I've gotten my money's worth over the years. I've never had a better canteen mess kit. Although, for the cost, there now is one. It comes with two nesting pots, a lid, and a 34oz canteen all in a nylon pouch. The only reason I haven't bought it? I own this one. I feel like I'm maximally invested and can make do. However, I already know that I'm going to crumble and buy the new version too.
Why am I hooked on your channel? I watch your vids two and three times...
Nice! I appreciate the fair review! I was going for the larger mouth of the titanium and was ready to purchase solely for that reason! But now that i know that theres another thats cheaper! I will be buying that one! I can definitely see why the titanium would be better! If I was climbing Mt Everest Id want the lightest gear i could find lol! Thanks again!
Nice review, Ernie. In regards to the canteen cup, yes I agree that the design is superior.
** However,that exact design of locking handles and cup shape was invented decades ago. That engineering can be seen in the USGI Canteen Cup. Just thought you would like to know.
Really helpful review. Good merits to the Titanium. Weight comparison was good but both the canteen and the cup of the Pathfinder has more capacity. I like the handle of the Pathfinder better due to the 3 pt stability. I do not drink from my canteen up but rather poor into another vessel like a Kupilka cup. I also like the measurement marking in the Pathfinder. Would much rather melt snow in the Pathfinder canteen due to the wide mouth.
Nice, i have a nickle allergy so titanium is the only thing i can use. I can make cowboy coffee and cook ramen noodles in one set. Hope you like.
The boundless voyage canteen and two cup set I’ll be buying here in Canada its a hundred bucks less expensive than the Keith set
just bought it, 169 dollars right? nothin beats that combined with a lifestraw. on the go. syphoon water quick with straw n save water u can boiil later str8 out the canteen and food in cups
Keith Titanium and Pathfinder both sell Bottle kits, I think 40oz and there are nesting cups available. Canteens are cool in a retro style way, but the bottle would have merits for packing. Just curious if you looked at those alternatives.
Nice review, thanks for sharing! I recently bought a Keith Titanium Mug with a folding handle and lid, and I'm pleased with it! :)
Thanks Ernie...Been looking at the titanium kit every once and a while. I appreciate the comparison between both. ATB...
Prepper stuff. Made for carrying in cargo pocket pants. Military style cookware is pretty inefficient for use with an alcohol stove due to the narrow base, which makes it less stable if you go stoveless, using rocks as a pot stand with a cooking fire or Esbit tabs. A single walled, screw top, large water bottle is the most versatile piece of kit for minimalist/survival use (though not any more stable). For rehydrating freeze dried food in a pouch, carrying water, sterilizing it in a campfire, it can't be beat. It also makes a great leak-proof hot water bottle for cold weather sleeping. Paired with a titanium cup, it's an awesome, complete system for Esbit tabs or a butane stove (campfire or coffee can hobo stove, too). Not good for frying food, or use with an alcohol stove (wastes too much heat). My Klean Kanteen 40 oz. stainless steel bottle fits perfectly in my Snow Peak 700ml cup. Now, if they only made the water bottle in titanium.🤔
@Daniel Kutcher Snow Peak makes really nice Ti stuff.
Excellent review.
Great review. I have the Keith setup. I like it but I have had problems with the lid but overall I’ve really liked mine. Thanks for sharing and I enjoyed watching. 👍
After heat the lid is not perfect, but still works well. Thanks for watching!
Well presented! Cheers!
The only reason stainless would distribute heat more evenly is if the stainless has more mass. Otherwise they are about the same. Stainless is lousy for cooking unless mass is added to the bottom, especially a metal like aluminum or copper.
Titanium, buy it once and you won't be disappointed and it should last you a long time, it's just so much better
i've got from aliexpress for almost 1/4 the price of titanium set a stainless steel one which includes the canteen with the exact butterfly handheld, a lid for canteen with holes in it for letting the steam out (the titanium one doesn't have) , a stove and the cup and a textile pack for this set with a molle system to attach on backpack.
all this set is about 40 bucks where the titanium set is 170 bucks. Let's be honest, for 300 grams you save a lot of money and to carry 300 grams in plus it's not that a big deal.
Rhetorical Answer how can you be sure that the SS that you buy from other countries isn’t in fact produced in China? I think a big part of them are from China and sold under “non chinese name” brands in other countries. The canteen that I bought is from a company that makes also titanium products and I somehow trust it, Jolmo Lander is the brand. It seems alright what they make.
G'day Ernie, firstly thanks for another great video. Regarding the Steripen and canteen's, I am in the (Australian) military and have both the traditional plastic (rubbish) canteens and some of the Mil-tech Tritan canteens, same as the Nalgene Oasis. The rubber tapered bit of the steripen just above the glass section actually fits really snug into the canteen mouth. You can fit the steripen, invert the canteen and swirl it around to disinfect your water, it works great. That wouldn't work with the pathfinder canteen though you have already stated the steripen will fit inside the wide mouth. I don't know if it would fit in the titanium canteen, I would be interested to find out. Thank you and best wishes.
I like my Keith canteen and cup
Looking inside the canteen, can you see the seam that runs around the center or is it smooth/flat? I'm wondering if that crease holds the canteen together or if I can grind that stupid thing down.
So I have been thinking about picking one of these up for a while I pulled the trigger on it and it's great the only thing that is weird is there an internal lip that stops the last bit of water from coming out like the neck of the canteen comes down past it's shoulders by almost a centimetre you can feel it with you finger (by feeling the inside the bottleneck, the very bottom part) , does yours have that or is mine a lemon? Keep up the good work
Nice presentation.
I wish I could buy just the cup 😮💨
My wife would kill me if i spent that much on a canteen. I have as a lightweight solution the VDV paratroop canteen set and the Yugoslavian army canteen set. As tough gear i use an M-1910 replica stainless steel canteen cup set. And at work a Nalgene bottle with nesting cup. For more cooking action with the family the billy can or Czech army mess kit stainless steel. My hiking kit is never ultralight.
One disappointment I have with the Pathfinder SS canteen is that the cap threads are not Nalgene compatible. I checked with Pathfinder and they said it was too hard to manufacture. Hah! My ThermoFlask thermos bottles' caps are interchangeable with Nalgene.
Heres why the weight argument doesnt make sense to me.
When empty, the titanium only weighs 48.6% of the steel. That's a 51.4% weight reduction- very impressive! But wait...
When filled with 1.1L of water (approx 3,785g), the titanium weighs 3,945g, compared to the steel at 4,114g. That means the titanium only weighs 95.89% of the steel.
Is the extra hundred dollars worth saving 4.11% of the weight of steel? I would argue no. That weight savings gap closes real fast when they're full.
Sorry if you covered this and I missed it, but does the cup have graduations in it for measuring liquids?
Does the titanium Keith canteen fit inside the pathfinder stainless steel canteen cup?
Same here it's been close to a year now and I'm still debating getting one just bc of the price, otherwise I would have sniped one in an instant
lol saw the title and clicked so fast to view.
Gr8 video.i wanted to know.ty
I dropped my Heavy Cover it hit a small rock and broke. I going back to stainless steal but I can be hard on my gear and don't baby it.
Good review, But the weight isn´t such a big deal. A canteen is full of wather so the difference is 1300gr / 1600gr
I have the Nalgene Oasis canteen with the USGI canteen cup. I think you’ve convinced me to get the titanium cup to save weight but I’m gonna save the money and keep the Nalgene canteen itself. So my question is, will the Nalgene fit inside the titanium cup? 😬😬
I freaking love gear!!! lol
Definitely looking forward to your coming outdoor vids Ernie! I’ll be vicariously living through you as I finish this last semester of accounting school so make em happen for me boss! 👍👊 🔥 ⛺️
AG Survival yes
And I freeze my nalgine oasis in summer
@@scottsmith6571 thank you! Good call on freezing the nalgene!
AG Survival I’m glad this question has been answered I’ve been wondering the same thing.
@@ColdCoorsBanquet definitely! Seems like a great combo!
Great video. Great presentation and good info. Subbed.
Thanks so much, pleasure to have you!
Hi there! Very good review! Do you know if there is a special way of cleaning it for the first use? Thanks for your videos!
Not that I'm aware of, I just washed it out with soapy water and that was it!
how safe is this to cook with is titanium safer than stainless steel????
how did it hold up?
is it durable ?
Don't let the canteen freeze, the seam can split
Would it split if you only filled to 32oz? Meaning there was room for the expansion?
Have you personally had this problem?
Would it be worth it for if you had purchased it?
I have also wanted one of these for a very long time, but I just can't do it. Too expensive.. If I'm taking a canteen it would be for a bushcrafting or in the winter where there's not much hiking. I don't look at weights then, I just carry everything in. That's how I got the name "PackMule". I always have the Toaks titanium pot for hiking if I do go lightweight. Saying all that I would still love to have one of these.
I made the switch to the heavy cover and I really like it. Buy once cry once they say! 🤣 I think I cried more than once though. 🤔 LOL!
I have had my Keith canteen set for a year now and I have almost been using it on a daily basis. This is my first experience with titanium. Pros: it's so great to have that lightweight on the hikes and as a general multi-purpose carry-on water bottle. Cons: it came out of the package with strong metallic taste I had to get rid of with hot sodium bicarbonate soak and wash. In comparison with steel I am not 100% convinced about the durability regards to resistance of long-term abuse. I absolutely love the carry-on system but I also feel like babysitting the whole kit at the same time. Still, the experience has been positive overall. Can you guys recommend a brush to clean the canteen bottle from the inside?
Will a nalgene canteen nest in the titanium cup?
I have two.
I bought the 1.2L Keith Titanium water bottle, the Ti3208 cup, and their small tea infuser. I sent back the latter two, because they arrived in 2nd hand condition and were flawed. But even after sending out emails to all three global offices, I have yet to receive a financial return on the items I sent back to their EU hq in Paris, even six months later! I recommend to avoid Keith Titanium, as tempting as their pricing may be.
You're an overly wordy idiot. You're telling a "woe is me" story and nobody cares because you're a loser. You know how we know you're a loser? You're losing.
You say that their pricing is tempting? It's four times more expensive than buying factory direct. You say you still haven't gotten your money back and you returned the product? That means you didn't contact the company first to figure out how to go about the return. Once again, you're an idiot and no matter how many words you use or how you say it, you're providing all the evidence.
@@mattmarzula I wrote to all three of their global headquarters! They have one in Hong Kong, one in the US, and one in Paris. Do you expect me to learn Chinese and look up their family homes too?! I sent them pictures, I even sent the items back, and no response whatsoever! What else could I do?? If you're so intelligent, you should know...And no, this is not about winning or losing. I truly believed in that I chose the right company to buy my small outdoor kitchen from. Would you maintain this belief, if you were in my position?
Good design but they should make it in stainless as well for the people who would never spend $160 for a canteen.
2/3 more money is a big premium to pay to only save 12oz.
Can you could get the stove section with the titanium set?
I wish they sold it, but they don't! Thanks for watching.
Looking inside the canteen, can you see the seam that runs around the center or is it smooth/flat? I'm wondering if that crease holds the canteen together or if I can grind that stupid thing down.
I would not grind it down. I believe that the seam is pressed in, but if you grind it down...not good :) Thanks for watching!
Will the Pathinder stove fit this?
I believe that it should, but I will check next time I’m in my shop!
Me wuv yu lonG Tim
It's cheaper to just loose 10lbs in bodyweight. Like the review though.
I like a lot.. bit It is too expensive..
If u dint run 8’s it’s a descrace
If you want it and buy it is to who bought it.
Hey, by any chance,have i won something from your giveaway?I was not online when you announced the winners
IF producers would just produce THINNER stainless steel products.
I guess someone doesn't know that in order for certain materials to be capable of handling heat you need it to be thicker to avoid warping and possibly having the weld seams weakening....or if you really want something light eat the price of titanium and don't complain? by the way simple question why use all caps on IF and THINNER it makes your comment come off as completely asinine.
@@Horde334 LOL
Light weight or is that lite ?...lol oh well, I'm in the same ballpark like you brother,if someone gives me one or of the like, then I would enjoy it without the feeling of a sore butt cheek from the money extraction ... Lol
I would never carry stainless anything, not even on a motorcycle. Too heavy.
Aluminum or Titanium please...
China is even after pathfinder school dam America is in trouble
That’s not a v6
No, not hardly.
Keith Titanium and Pathfinder both sell Bottle kits, I think 40oz and there are nesting cups available. Canteens are cool in a retro style way, but the bottle would have merits for packing. Just curious if you looked at those alternatives.