LOL... We included spider eggs, nasty ones, but I assume that they, and their children, are long dead. WOOT! How much do I owe you? Also I didn't know if the RF modulator actually worked, your the first I have seen to use it. XP Now if I could just remember where I have seen that keyboard layout before... :P
A little spooky, every time you said the name my cat would look at me as if to say that I had unfinished business to deal with.. @@fractalMD So glad no wig!
Because the 40 and 80 column video signals are generated by two different chips using different APIs, it's technically possible to use both simultaneously in a dual monitor setup. Attack of the Petscii Robots has gameplay on the 40 column VIC II monitor and a map on the 80 column VDC monitor.
I remember when the magazines had pages of programs you could type in. Typing in those hundreds of peek/poke numbers was maddening. Get just ONE digit wrong, and your eyes would cross trying to find where you made the mistake!
Your 1541 can be saved ... the likely culprit for putting on a fireworks display and letting out the magic smoke is C15 a 10uf 25v Tantalium capacitor (from the front of the drive, this is located on the right hand side of the PCB closest to the front) . Good Luck!
It really is pretty damn cool! And when you talk to Bil Herd in your video and he up and answers... AND Veronica makes a lovely comment... Peak retro? 😃
This was back when computer users did a lot more than just turn it on and browse the internet. I used to spend a lot of late nights working on the Commodore 128 with 1571 drives and a Jiffy DOS module and installed case switch to toggle between Basic 7.0 and Jiffy DOS, it was a lot of fun!!!
I'm 1:30 in, and I just wanted to pause and say how excited I am to watch the rest. I grew up in some poverty, but I had some friends that had the C64 and would occasionally take pity on me and let me play with theirs. However through all my friends, and even my school, I never got to see a C128 live and in person. So, this should be interesting and educational for me.
Your excitement over seeing the A> prompt appear on a Commodore 128 was similar to mine when I first got CP/M booting on my Apple IIe with Z80 co-processor card. 🙂 After a lifetime of associating that kind of command line with IBM compatibles (and later), seeing it on a machine with a 6502 main CPU is somehow very novel.
Great show, im subscribed! I had a C128 and never really used the CP/M mode, but booted into C64 mode a LOT for the games! Didn’t know there was a Star Trek game!
I remember at the local university's open day playing "Star Trek" on a terminal attached to a VAX minicomputer. That took me back... On another note, does Amy ever actually look through her spectacles? I've only seen them on her forehead, never over her eyes ;-)
I remember the smell of the fresh openbox ....... sold a lot . . . great keyboard loved my speccy....and its little interupt button......FREEZE time for a coffee
I just happened to find this video from your girls channel and I loved it. I am convinced that the Commodore 128 is a little-known and underrated computer today. I love it. I discovered it a few years ago, and I loved it when they managed to run CP/M 80 on that Commodore 128. Try running GEOS for C128. It's slow but interesting.
Your excitement with the new toy comes through the screen so well 🙂 Yay Commodore 128! There are a handful of C128 specific programs, but most seem to be business applications, which probably explains why my C128 sits on the shelf most of the time.
Yup, not much available. There was Zork, of course. There was also Smallterm, a C128 mode program which lets you download CP/M software and write it directly to a CP/M disk. Or, you could use DESterm to login to a UNIX box and run TREK in glorious ASCII at 1200 Baud.
Hooray!! My favorite computer!! When i was a kid, my dad bought a 128 from an unclaimed freight / salvage store after our C64 stopped working. The c128 has some cool features like its 'advanced sound and music' in basic - I hope you enjoy it! Also, if the disk is formatted right, the 1571 can read both sides without taking it out and flipping it!
Yay! I remember a childhood friend who got a C128. I'm pretty certain he used it in 64-mode, like... 90% of the time Was PacMan really this noisy?! Wow.. I don't recall that🤣
CP/M was never going to work on that 1541 anyway 🙂 The 1571 was pretty unique in that it could read both GCR and MFM disk formats, the former was Commodore and the later CP/M and other PC formats.
I like your videos and the sharp humour. The 128 was a good idea on paper, but around that time, people were gradually buying an ST, Amiga etc... Also, the business market was very competitive, with machines with higher specs. Then there were so many IBM clones. It's great to see the 128 in action. Thanks :)
First thing I do, if I start in the 80 columns mode - typing "fast" to switch the CPU in 2 MHz mode. 😁 You can you use dual monitors. Start in 40 columns mode and then type "graphic 5" to switch the output t0 80 colmuns screen. Now you can program and using the basic 7.0 commands: 10 graphic 1 : rem set 40 col to graphic mode 20 circle 1,50,50,50 : rem make a circle Great video! 😀 P.S.: To use CP/M you have to use a 1570 (only one side) or 1571 (two sides) or 1581. And the best command: GO64
I love that Star Trek game, and it was awesome to see Taylor completely obliterate that Klingon starship right away! There were a lot of different versions of the classic Star Trek on the C64. I tried to program one in BASIC from vague memories, but it was not very good. Still, it's a fun programming project!
OMG I LOVE your vids. This is all stuff like so not even "late" last century and so beyond my imagination... but you two ladies make it SOOOOOOO fun and interesting. I love this ancient tech stuff- how did you like get on the internet with a computer this slow or primitive? (total GenZ troll joke, of course! LOL)... Seriously though... LOVE this cool retro tech stuff and your presentation. I learn so much.
Unless I'm mistaken, I think pretty much all the Commodore floppy drives are compatible with all the various Commodore systems. The 1571 is a double-sided drive, so it has heads on the top and bottom, which come together on each side of the disk when you turn the latch. The fake disk is there to make sure that the heads don't hit each other. Actually, all the Commodore floppy drives came with at least a cardboard disk in them. I never had smoke come out of a floppy drive, but typically the first thing I do before trying one, is to open it up and clean the heads, They can tend to accumulate gunk off the disk. As for the monitor connection, I don't know about the C128 as I never had one, but on the C64, the monitor connection was basically S-Video. If I recall correctly, my 1080 monitor only had RGB and separated composite inputs. I don't remember what it was from, but I had a cable with a DIN plug on each end that fit the monitor port. I cut the other end off and connected the appropriate wires to three phono plugs. That gave a great picture with the C64. Of course I used that monitor primarily on the Amiga with the RGB input. The Star Trek alien race is pronounced Or-gain-nee-ans. They appeared in the 26th episode of the first season of the show. They appeared to be a simple, helpless people, but they were really quite powerful and forced a truce between the Klingons and the Federation. If you liked that Star Trek game, there are other versions of it on the C64. One is a little more graphically polished, one has a manual docking with a starbase, etc. The most polished version is Space: The Ultimate Frontier, which is an unlicensed clone. It's like a more advanced version, but without the Star Trek license. BTW, you probably know this, but you can get a USB interface that will let you read from and write to a Commodore floppy drive using a modern computer. You can then download games off the net, write them to real floppies and load them on your C64 or C128. The only downside is that a lot of stuff is meant for PAL regions (UK, Europe) and may either not work correctly on an NTSC (American) machine, or even not work at all.
When Commodore wanted to put everything in the same product, 3 computers in 1, but they missed the target! The main drawback of the C128 is that the C128 mode is a different machine, with a video chip less powerful than the VIC2, lacking sprites and is incompatible with the C64 software. The C128 mode is like a Plus4 with 80 columns mode and 128K of RAM. Weird machine that didn't convinced.
Soon after leaving school, my best friend from school got himself a C128 to replace his Acorn Electron. Don’t think at the time I’d have swapped it for my beloved Plus/4 even though the C128 was more capable. It did mean he could nab some of the BASIC programs I’d written.
BTW, you can use dual monitors, switching freely between using the 40 column screen and 80 column screen. It's great for programming, since you can have one screen with your code while running the program on your other screen.
@@fractalMD To switch to the 40 column screen, type in "graphic0" or "gR0". To switch to the 80 column screen, type in "graphic5" or "gR5". It's not as convenient as just pressing that 40/80 column key. Oh well!
In 1997, I had one. I had it for several years, but then got rid of it. In the 2010's, I grew nostalgic and bought another (probably from eBay). It started having random halt and reboot issues. Probably a bad cap on the motherboard. I ended up getting rid of that one too. I guess it's time to find another, eh? ;)
You should do an episode on GEOS. I always thought it was underrated and overshadowed by the Amiga and Atari ST. But for an 8bit GUI, it was pretty good. Im curious how it compares to the Apple IIgs GUI.
@@fractalMD There's a video called "Commodore 128D GEOS Battle Station" that may give you some ideas! Also, it's worth testing how the new "C64OS" works on the C128! Something I haven't seen much of! In addition to the dual-screen "Petscii Robots" mentioned in another comment, the freeware new "Eye of the Beholder" port for C64 runs better in a C128. Also, it's dual-screen! Those are probably the most C128-optimized games.
I had a C128 back in the 90’s. Sold it to get an Amiga. Just recently got a C128 again. I love it. Installed c0pperdragon component upgrade to get jailbar free 40 column. I also got RGB2HDMI TTL for 80 column. Works well.
One thing worth pointing out is, when powering on an untested C64 or C128 is to check the health of your power brick... The reason why it is so important, is because the way the "brick" works, is there is a good ol' coil transformer, wich is basically eternal, wich is good. But that outputs 9 VAC, and the 64 & 128 need 9 VAC. But most of the electronics is povered by 5 VDC and the way the brick does this is it has (obviously) a rectifier to make the AC to DC and then a voltage regulator of sort to adjust the voltage down to nice and smooth ('ish, hopefully)... But if (and when) the regulator fails, it often basically shorts out... And with a shorted out regulator the brick will be pushing 10 volts down the 5 volt line, wich can fry a whole bunch of chips in a hurry. And unfortunately the Commodore PSU's really don't have much (any) safety features... So I really recommend people, if you are going to use original PSU's, do check them and adding some safety devices (like fuse and overvoltage protection) is a good practice.
@@fractalMD The C64 supply is absolutely a landmine as it fails in a way that gates 8-9V to the chips! The C128, being a switcher, usually just fails inert.
BTW my plan is to introduce you to the designer of the Commodore Power Supply at VCF East. (Yar!) He also did the VIC chips, the C64 design and something with Ensoniq... @@fractalMD
Wasn’t the C64 basic never updated because Tramiel was too cheap to pay MS for a newer version? He apparently got a great deal on a one-time, unlimited use license from MS.
@@fractalMD From Wikipedia: "Commodore licensed BASIC from Microsoft in 1977 on a "pay once, no royalties" basis after Jack Tramiel turned down Bill Gates' offer of a $3 per unit fee, stating, "I'm already married," and would pay no more than $25,000 for a perpetual license." I believe the C64 sold around 18 million units over its lifetime, making that the deal of the century.
In fact the C128s two video chips can operate at the same time. Just press ESC X (thats first pressing ESC, then letting go, then press X, not press ESC+X together .. yes it is strange ;) ), then the cursor will appear on the other screen ;)... Some games like PETSCII ROBOTS 128 do use both at the same time.
There is a way to use both video chips on the C128 simultaneously, though I have no idea how to do it. The Commdore 128 version of Attack of the PETSCII Robots displays the game on one screen and it also draws an overview map on the other screen that updates live as you play the game.
so much power SO MUCH BRICK I loved my C128. 80 column plus FAST mode was the best thing in the world, particularly for GEOS but not just. I was so mad at all the terrible terminal emulation software (most of which didn't even do 80 columns, and that which did couldn't manage 1200 baud. So I decided to write something to demonstrate the C128 in FAST mode could manage 1200 baud in uncompiled BASIC... and succeeded. It got published. :D Also also you can totally use both 40 and 80 column displays at the same time. From BASIC even. Maybe not with the RF modulator but with luma/chroma and 9-pin output at once. CP/M for the 128 wasn't bad. It was slower than the Z80 would lead you to believe because it could only access memory at 2mhz. With a 1571, you could also read and write Kaypro diskettes (and run most of the software), and several other CP/M formats as well, like the Osborne, I think? And maybe some others. But the Kaypro format support was what mattered for CP/M.
There are also at least two versions of the C128 onboard ROMs, and the easiest way to tell them apart is whether CAPS LOCK works on the letter Q. Version 1: it does not. Version 2: it does. It also fixes some other bugs. I think there's also a ROM upgrade for the early 1571 which improves its behaviour and speed as well, though.
if by crazy you mean awesome xD depending on the C128 you also have either 16K or 64K of separate video RAM for the 80 column mode. With 16K it can do 640x200 monochrome graphics, with 64K it can do 640x400! And the 16K versions are upgradeable! But 640x400 is interlaced so does not look so great and 640x200 was good enough for GEOS. @@fractalMD
Is it bad that I always see y'all as a hip-hop duo? Like, Taylor is the MC and Amy is the hype man. Let's start a gofundme to get Amy a giant Pulsar LED watch pendant.
If you have any kaypro software disks, cp/m on the 128 can read them, and other cp/m formats too. The 128 wil run software slower than other cp/m machines though.
Commodore 128 Rap Clap your hands everybody, and everybody clap your hands! We're The Taylor and Amy Show with... The Commodore 128 We come here on stage tonight to do a show that’s great We've got a rockin rhythm and a high tech sound That'll make you move your body down to the ground We've got CP/M on the 128 And BASIC will be joinin' in We've got Bill Hurd on a mean keyboard And a rap to record We've got Zork, Ultima, and Trek, you can’t go wrong Blinky, Pinky, Inky, and Clyde are chomping along And just when you thought you'd seen it all Along comes a joystick 4 ft tall! So won't you come on out here, on the floor, so we can work our bodies like never before Break!
Never had a C64 or C128 so be interesting to see what you do with yours. Can you dtill get Ram Expansion Units or is an internal upgrade possible? Assuming that you'll be running software onit will you be installing a modern floppy drive replacement or sticking with the external drive ? Will try downloading games and if so what's the best way to run them on a C128 ?
The native output wont' do both monitors at the same time, but the hardware can. It's just not programmed that way. I believe there is some software that does, but not very much.
LOL... We included spider eggs, nasty ones, but I assume that they, and their children, are long dead.
WOOT! How much do I owe you?
Also I didn't know if the RF modulator actually worked, your the first I have seen to use it. XP
Now if I could just remember where I have seen that keyboard layout before... :P
Taylor and Amy make a video about the Commodore 128 and along comes the guy who designed the computer. We are living in magical times,.
Looool. You like how we just talk to you like you are there?
A little spooky, every time you said the name my cat would look at me as if to say that I had unfinished business to deal with.. @@fractalMD
So glad no wig!
Rewatching now, smilin big. Will pass onto the team of very excellent people. :D @@fractalMD
@@BilHerd We *nearly* trotted out the wig. It was a close thing.
As a kid, I always wanted to have a C128 after my Plus/4. Thirty years later I finally have one! Love your videos!
DREAM ACHIEVED!!!!
I'm glad you eventually brought one. In recent years, I brought a few computers I always wanted when I was a kid. I see them as collector's items.
CP/M, the OS for distinguished connoisseurs
PINKY OUT!
Because the 40 and 80 column video signals are generated by two different chips using different APIs, it's technically possible to use both simultaneously in a dual monitor setup. Attack of the Petscii Robots has gameplay on the 40 column VIC II monitor and a map on the 80 column VDC monitor.
Badass
Utterly stupid. Get a CPC 6128 instead. Much nicer machine.
I remember when the magazines had pages of programs you could type in. Typing in those hundreds of peek/poke numbers was maddening. Get just ONE digit wrong, and your eyes would cross trying to find where you made the mistake!
Oh yeah. TOTAL insanity.
Your 1541 can be saved ... the likely culprit for putting on a fireworks display and letting out the magic smoke is C15 a 10uf 25v Tantalium capacitor (from the front of the drive, this is located on the right hand side of the PCB closest to the front) . Good Luck!
I think you are right. There is a very crispy capacitor.
1:09 "🎶8502 🎶 ..we're not doing that"
Love the SID music!
😂
“So much power!”
“So much brick.”
I died. 😂😂
Sup Kudrav!
lol... So many more levels of truth in that statement than they even realized! 😂
This might be my favorite computer. Three in one!
It really is pretty damn cool!
And when you talk to Bil Herd in your video and he up and answers...
AND Veronica makes a lovely comment...
Peak retro? 😃
All 3 flawed. The C128 is a mess. I still have it cause it looks cool as tapestry on the wall.
This was back when computer users did a lot more than just turn it on and browse the internet. I used to spend a lot of late nights working on the Commodore 128 with 1571 drives and a Jiffy DOS module and installed case switch to toggle between Basic 7.0 and Jiffy DOS, it was a lot of fun!!!
Not *nearly* as much tinkering these days.
Wonderful! I loved my 128 for the 80 column mode word for word processing. Even used *WordStar* on CP/M. Good times! Thanks for being awesome.
Thank YOU for being awesome!
Congratulations on obtaining the greatest 8 bit computer of all time! I still feel equally excited every time I set my own Commodore 128 up.
We are fans!
Yes, but congratulations on getting the C128 too. It's a pity they couldn't show the best 8 bit of all time as well. 😂
I'm 1:30 in, and I just wanted to pause and say how excited I am to watch the rest. I grew up in some poverty, but I had some friends that had the C64 and would occasionally take pity on me and let me play with theirs. However through all my friends, and even my school, I never got to see a C128 live and in person. So, this should be interesting and educational for me.
❤
Such a great way to start the week, thank you!
CRUSHING THIS MONDAY!
Your excitement over seeing the A> prompt appear on a Commodore 128 was similar to mine when I first got CP/M booting on my Apple IIe with Z80 co-processor card. 🙂 After a lifetime of associating that kind of command line with IBM compatibles (and later), seeing it on a machine with a 6502 main CPU is somehow very novel.
Totally agree!
Hands down, this is your finest 8502/Z80 episode ever. A masterwork!
**chef's kiss**
Great show, im subscribed! I had a C128 and never really used the CP/M mode, but booted into C64 mode a LOT for the games! Didn’t know there was a Star Trek game!
Fun one! Cool to see the excitement of booting up cpm on it. 😀
The most excited anyone has ever gotten about cpm, lol.
I remember at the local university's open day playing "Star Trek" on a terminal attached to a VAX minicomputer. That took me back...
On another note, does Amy ever actually look through her spectacles? I've only seen them on her forehead, never over her eyes ;-)
Mostly keeps back my 8 tons of hair, but I do wear them in space space shuttle in space from space one.
Space.
Ha haa, loved Amy backing up before drive no.2 way switched on 😂
Fool me once....
I remember the smell of the fresh openbox ....... sold a lot . . . great keyboard loved my speccy....and its little interupt button......FREEZE time for a coffee
And the manual smell!
I just happened to find this video from your girls channel and I loved it. I am convinced that the Commodore 128 is a little-known and underrated computer today. I love it. I discovered it a few years ago, and I loved it when they managed to run CP/M 80 on that Commodore 128. Try running GEOS for C128. It's slow but interesting.
We will!
Let's go, a new episode! I love your videos so much, keep them coming!
Awe, thanks!
Your excitement with the new toy comes through the screen so well 🙂
Yay Commodore 128! There are a handful of C128 specific programs, but most seem to be business applications, which probably explains why my C128 sits on the shelf most of the time.
The C64 mode is def clutch.
Yup, not much available. There was Zork, of course. There was also Smallterm, a C128 mode program which lets you download CP/M software and write it directly to a CP/M disk. Or, you could use DESterm to login to a UNIX box and run TREK in glorious ASCII at 1200 Baud.
The computer I have the fondest memories of, by far.
It's a beaut!
Hooray!! My favorite computer!! When i was a kid, my dad bought a 128 from an unclaimed freight / salvage store after our C64 stopped working. The c128 has some cool features like its 'advanced sound and music' in basic - I hope you enjoy it!
Also, if the disk is formatted right, the 1571 can read both sides without taking it out and flipping it!
We are totally enjoying it!
Yay! Another episode of the Taylor and Amy Show!!!!!!
Rejoice!
The C64 and C128 were a bit before my time, but it's always fun seeing old hardware get explored!
And a good time was had by all!
Yay! I remember a childhood friend who got a C128. I'm pretty certain he used it in 64-mode, like... 90% of the time
Was PacMan really this noisy?! Wow.. I don't recall that🤣
I can totally see how that would be the case.
Sorry to hear about the Magic Smoke, but WOW! You got it working *with* the disk drive. Very cool. Awesome video!
Thx!!!!
CP/M was never going to work on that 1541 anyway 🙂 The 1571 was pretty unique in that it could read both GCR and MFM disk formats, the former was Commodore and the later CP/M and other PC formats.
It was also very explode-y.
LOL... I forgot that. Kudos Greg Berlin.
12:15 y’all are so damn adorable 😊
😊
Thank you for showing CP/M. This machine is part of my youth. Thanks for bringing the C128 alive again in a fun way.
So much fun!
I’m so geeked that you are so geeked about CP/M. One of the programing environments on my bucket list! And, bring on the rap!
Woo! Eric, do NOT tempt us.
@@fractalMD consider yourselves tempted
I like your videos and the sharp humour. The 128 was a good idea on paper, but around that time, people were gradually buying an ST, Amiga etc... Also, the business market was very competitive, with machines with higher specs. Then there were so many IBM clones. It's great to see the 128 in action. Thanks :)
Thank you!
First thing I do, if I start in the 80 columns mode - typing "fast" to switch the CPU in 2 MHz mode. 😁
You can you use dual monitors. Start in 40 columns mode and then type "graphic 5" to switch the output t0 80 colmuns screen.
Now you can program and using the basic 7.0 commands:
10 graphic 1 : rem set 40 col to graphic mode
20 circle 1,50,50,50 : rem make a circle
Great video! 😀
P.S.: To use CP/M you have to use a 1570 (only one side) or 1571 (two sides) or 1581. And the best command: GO64
PRO TIPS!
I love that Star Trek game, and it was awesome to see Taylor completely obliterate that Klingon starship right away!
There were a lot of different versions of the classic Star Trek on the C64. I tried to program one in BASIC from vague memories, but it was not very good. Still, it's a fun programming project!
Never seen this version and it's pretty neat.
OMG I LOVE your vids. This is all stuff like so not even "late" last century and so beyond my imagination... but you two ladies make it SOOOOOOO fun and interesting.
I love this ancient tech stuff- how did you like get on the internet with a computer this slow or primitive? (total GenZ troll joke, of course! LOL)...
Seriously though... LOVE this cool retro tech stuff and your presentation. I learn so much.
Excellent!
You let the magic smoke out!
And it was STINKY
@@fractalMD I bet!
"A legitimate A: prompt..."
RIGHT?!!?
You did a thing!!!!
We totally did a thing!
Wow! I bought one of these when they were first available. Also had a 64 and a plus4
Niiiice!
I had a permanent smile on my face for 18 minutes while watching this video😄
That makes ME smile. 😀
5:27 that was an aggressive punch of Run/Stop
It needs to know who is boss
@@fractalMD hahahahhahaha
Nice find ladies :D
Most people used the Commodore 128 in Commodore 64 mode.
The box is in really nice condition too!
David Ladd!
@@fractalMD
You rang madam! :D
@@David_Ladd Woo!
"Time Elapses" LOL!
Boy does it.
Your episodes openings are epic 😎
😎😎😎😎😎
Awesome those 8 bit computers were so popular in the day
It's a solid little machine :)
Unless I'm mistaken, I think pretty much all the Commodore floppy drives are compatible with all the various Commodore systems.
The 1571 is a double-sided drive, so it has heads on the top and bottom, which come together on each side of the disk when you turn the latch. The fake disk is there to make sure that the heads don't hit each other. Actually, all the Commodore floppy drives came with at least a cardboard disk in them.
I never had smoke come out of a floppy drive, but typically the first thing I do before trying one, is to open it up and clean the heads, They can tend to accumulate gunk off the disk.
As for the monitor connection, I don't know about the C128 as I never had one, but on the C64, the monitor connection was basically S-Video. If I recall correctly, my 1080 monitor only had RGB and separated composite inputs. I don't remember what it was from, but I had a cable with a DIN plug on each end that fit the monitor port. I cut the other end off and connected the appropriate wires to three phono plugs. That gave a great picture with the C64. Of course I used that monitor primarily on the Amiga with the RGB input.
The Star Trek alien race is pronounced Or-gain-nee-ans. They appeared in the 26th episode of the first season of the show. They appeared to be a simple, helpless people, but they were really quite powerful and forced a truce between the Klingons and the Federation.
If you liked that Star Trek game, there are other versions of it on the C64. One is a little more graphically polished, one has a manual docking with a starbase, etc. The most polished version is Space: The Ultimate Frontier, which is an unlicensed clone. It's like a more advanced version, but without the Star Trek license.
BTW, you probably know this, but you can get a USB interface that will let you read from and write to a Commodore floppy drive using a modern computer. You can then download games off the net, write them to real floppies and load them on your C64 or C128. The only downside is that a lot of stuff is meant for PAL regions (UK, Europe) and may either not work correctly on an NTSC (American) machine, or even not work at all.
Nice! Thanks for all that good info!!!
Yay! It's my favorite ladies of retro! With a C128! Serendipitous!
Woooooo!
Nice! I just can't keep up with all of these cool Commodores! But they are keeping up with me.
I mean, they don't even NEED us, lol.
When Commodore wanted to put everything in the same product, 3 computers in 1, but they missed the target! The main drawback of the C128 is that the C128 mode is a different machine, with a video chip less powerful than the VIC2, lacking sprites and is incompatible with the C64 software. The C128 mode is like a Plus4 with 80 columns mode and 128K of RAM. Weird machine that didn't convinced.
I like to think of it as a turducken you can retrobright.
Actually same VIC chip at all times (40 col), and there are sprite and sound commands built into Basic!
The C=128 case is almost Amiga like.
Exactly what I thought. I wonder if they reused the moulds?
@@zh84 To save money
actually, Amiga 500 case is almost C128 like.
@@zh84as similar as it is, no... It was a styling thing. Amigas have the 3,5" disk drives integrated and everything.
@@juhojohansson1716 Thank you.
Great machine!
Sooooo great
Soon after leaving school, my best friend from school got himself a C128 to replace his Acorn Electron. Don’t think at the time I’d have swapped it for my beloved Plus/4 even though the C128 was more capable. It did mean he could nab some of the BASIC programs I’d written.
I also want that Acorn.
BTW, you can use dual monitors, switching freely between using the 40 column screen and 80 column screen. It's great for programming, since you can have one screen with your code while running the program on your other screen.
Don't it at the same time was what we couldn't parse.
@@fractalMD To switch to the 40 column screen, type in "graphic0" or "gR0".
To switch to the 80 column screen, type in "graphic5" or "gR5".
It's not as convenient as just pressing that 40/80 column key. Oh well!
While I'm an Atari guy, I was still smiling and giggling the whole way through this.
😃😃😃
I remember that ST game is got very hard quick.
It's pretty cool!
Would love to see these two gorgeous ladies unbox an Amstrad CPC 464 home computer.
Indeed! We need one!
That is my favorite computer of all time. I really wish I’d hung on to mine.
(And if you ever want to unload that thing, I’m there!)
We'll keep you in mind. The Lab is not as Tardis like as one would hope.
You two are dream girls. Y'all are the cat's pajamas, the literal knees of bees. I would totally call your BBS if ya had one. Just saying. 🤓
We totally need a BBS.
Simply the koolest komputer from Commodore, and I think you ought to try playing "Volley for Two" on it. It's great fun!
Oh cool
In 1997, I had one. I had it for several years, but then got rid of it. In the 2010's, I grew nostalgic and bought another (probably from eBay). It started having random halt and reboot issues. Probably a bad cap on the motherboard. I ended up getting rid of that one too. I guess it's time to find another, eh? ;)
Yes!!!
I was under the impression that the C128 marked the end of Commodore's 8-bit era, with the Amiga line set to take center stage.
8 bit Era is forever!😊
I so badly wanted one. I still do. My hope for a VR afterlife is to code on a C128.
In every life! 🤣
You should do an episode on GEOS. I always thought it was underrated and overshadowed by the Amiga and Atari ST. But for an 8bit GUI, it was pretty good. Im curious how it compares to the Apple IIgs GUI.
Hey, always on the look out for new video ideas.
@@fractalMD There's a video called "Commodore 128D GEOS Battle Station" that may give you some ideas!
Also, it's worth testing how the new "C64OS" works on the C128! Something I haven't seen much of!
In addition to the dual-screen "Petscii Robots" mentioned in another comment, the freeware new "Eye of the Beholder" port for C64 runs better in a C128. Also, it's dual-screen! Those are probably the most C128-optimized games.
I had a C128 back in the 90’s. Sold it to get an Amiga. Just recently got a C128 again. I love it. Installed c0pperdragon component upgrade to get jailbar free 40 column. I also got RGB2HDMI TTL for 80 column. Works well.
Is it weird that I like the jailbars?
@@fractalMD yes. Extremely 😂
@@megatech1966 😫
A real manual, nice...
We love a real deal you can hold it in your hand manual.
Oh, and I vote yes for the 128 song being the next music video.
I'll add it to the tally! Z80 ppl are making the most noise, i think, lol.
In the past .... when the earth was cooling!!! hahaha! good one!
😅
5:50 is baby Commodore!
👶
0 spiders. Already disappointed. :)
Next time!
One thing worth pointing out is, when powering on an untested C64 or C128 is to check the health of your power brick...
The reason why it is so important, is because the way the "brick" works, is there is a good ol' coil transformer, wich is basically eternal, wich is good. But that outputs 9 VAC, and the 64 & 128 need 9 VAC. But most of the electronics is povered by 5 VDC and the way the brick does this is it has (obviously) a rectifier to make the AC to DC and then a voltage regulator of sort to adjust the voltage down to nice and smooth ('ish, hopefully)... But if (and when) the regulator fails, it often basically shorts out... And with a shorted out regulator the brick will be pushing 10 volts down the 5 volt line, wich can fry a whole bunch of chips in a hurry.
And unfortunately the Commodore PSU's really don't have much (any) safety features... So I really recommend people, if you are going to use original PSU's, do check them and adding some safety devices (like fuse and overvoltage protection) is a good practice.
Well said
@@fractalMD The C64 supply is absolutely a landmine as it fails in a way that gates 8-9V to the chips! The C128, being a switcher, usually just fails inert.
@@BilHerd duuuuuude!
BTW my plan is to introduce you to the designer of the Commodore Power Supply at VCF East. (Yar!) He also did the VIC chips, the C64 design and something with Ensoniq... @@fractalMD
That was so my dream computer back in the day, which I could never afford.
It's not too late!!
@@fractalMDI've had a few since then, but Amigas were my main drug. I think I've had over 20. (I'm back down to 2 now so I'm okay.)
dat refresh rate on the commodore monitor
I know!!!!!
I liked that Batman speed run.
When Taylor said, "I'm batman" I lost it.
Wasn’t the C64 basic never updated because Tramiel was too cheap to pay MS for a newer version? He apparently got a great deal on a one-time, unlimited use license from MS.
For real?
@@fractalMD From Wikipedia: "Commodore licensed BASIC from Microsoft in 1977 on a "pay once, no royalties" basis after Jack Tramiel turned down Bill Gates' offer of a $3 per unit fee, stating, "I'm already married," and would pay no more than $25,000 for a perpetual license." I believe the C64 sold around 18 million units over its lifetime, making that the deal of the century.
@@tonycosta3302 Noice
In fact the C128s two video chips can operate at the same time. Just press ESC X (thats first pressing ESC, then letting go, then press X, not press ESC+X together .. yes it is strange ;) ), then the cursor will appear on the other screen ;)... Some games like PETSCII ROBOTS 128 do use both at the same time.
Which is a capability that just seems wild for the time!
There is a way to use both video chips on the C128 simultaneously, though I have no idea how to do it. The Commdore 128 version of Attack of the PETSCII Robots displays the game on one screen and it also draws an overview map on the other screen that updates live as you play the game.
Niiiiiice
oh look at that a space and rocket center shirt!!! (I drive by there a lot). I live in huntsville.
Fellow Alabamian!
@@fractalMD I'm from Ohio I only live in Alabama. Lol
@awilliams1701 It's okay, I forgive you!
Love the floppy drive software! My first computer ONLY had two 5 1/4 floppy drives. No hard drive at all. Super powerful!
Taylor still has her Tandy EX which was unburdened with a pesky hard drive.
Oh, the freedom of those salad years!@@fractalMD
SALAD DAYS OF YORE
Mi primer ordenador fue ese! C128 Saludos
Nice!
so much power
SO MUCH BRICK
I loved my C128. 80 column plus FAST mode was the best thing in the world, particularly for GEOS but not just. I was so mad at all the terrible terminal emulation software (most of which didn't even do 80 columns, and that which did couldn't manage 1200 baud. So I decided to write something to demonstrate the C128 in FAST mode could manage 1200 baud in uncompiled BASIC... and succeeded. It got published. :D
Also also you can totally use both 40 and 80 column displays at the same time. From BASIC even. Maybe not with the RF modulator but with luma/chroma and 9-pin output at once.
CP/M for the 128 wasn't bad. It was slower than the Z80 would lead you to believe because it could only access memory at 2mhz. With a 1571, you could also read and write Kaypro diskettes (and run most of the software), and several other CP/M formats as well, like the Osborne, I think? And maybe some others. But the Kaypro format support was what mattered for CP/M.
There are also at least two versions of the C128 onboard ROMs, and the easiest way to tell them apart is whether CAPS LOCK works on the letter Q. Version 1: it does not. Version 2: it does. It also fixes some other bugs. I think there's also a ROM upgrade for the early 1571 which improves its behaviour and speed as well, though.
I mean this stuff is CUH RAY ZEE.
if by crazy you mean awesome xD
depending on the C128 you also have either 16K or 64K of separate video RAM for the 80 column mode. With 16K it can do 640x200 monochrome graphics, with 64K it can do 640x400! And the 16K versions are upgradeable! But 640x400 is interlaced so does not look so great and 640x200 was good enough for GEOS. @@fractalMD
Nerd Queens return!
BEHOLD!
Save the 1541! You only need to replace a capacitor
It is saved!
Is it bad that I always see y'all as a hip-hop duo? Like, Taylor is the MC and Amy is the hype man. Let's start a gofundme to get Amy a giant Pulsar LED watch pendant.
YES PLEASE
Isn’t it fun when you see something work for the first time.
Shoot yeah!
🤣 not bitten by spiders but stung by the 'mains filter capacitors on fire' bug... Happened to me last week with a BBC computer.. It stinks...
Ooouuuuch
oh no Taylor/Amy !!! you didn't type in GO64 !!!!or power on whilst holding down the commodore key!!
Noooooooooooo
If you have any kaypro software disks, cp/m on the 128 can read them, and other cp/m formats too. The 128 wil run software slower than other cp/m machines though.
Time to break out the Mandelbrot set!
Holy Crap, you two are adorable from the Get Go.
Middle aged adorable!
@@fractalMD Well I'm, uh, middle-aged adorable too! 😆 Nothing wrong there!
@@LogrusUK Damn right!
@@fractalMD I said it! 😆
@@fractalMD Oh, you were agreeing with me? Damn right! 😃
How to we spread to this enthusiasm ? Enjoy the retro talk.
😃
I still have not yet cracked open my C128's CP/M floppy sticker either.
Nice
So jealous right now :D
It's great!
Commodore 128 Rap
Clap your hands everybody, and everybody clap your hands! We're The Taylor and Amy Show with... The Commodore 128 We come here on stage tonight to do a show
that’s great
We've got a rockin rhythm and a high tech sound That'll make you move your body down to the ground
We've got CP/M on the 128 And BASIC will be joinin' in
We've got Bill Hurd on a mean keyboard And a rap to record
We've got Zork, Ultima, and Trek, you can’t go wrong
Blinky, Pinky, Inky, and Clyde are chomping along
And just when you thought you'd seen it all Along comes a joystick 4 ft tall!
So won't you come on out here, on the floor, so we can work our bodies like never before Break!
MY GUY! THIS IS AWESOME!!!
Oh look, it's yet another system that is avalable on the MiSTer FPGA. :)
Lol! Love it.
With Jailbars option!@@fractalMD
Never had a C64 or C128 so be interesting to see what you do with yours. Can you dtill get Ram Expansion Units or is an internal upgrade possible? Assuming that you'll be running software onit will you be installing a modern floppy drive replacement or sticking with the external drive ? Will try downloading games and if so what's the best way to run them on a C128 ?
All things are possible via the internet! We tend to mod things but no specific plans as of yet.
Oh, and The Future Was 8bit has got you if you want to emulate the floppy drive but use SD.
the vic 2 output port should have the same pinnout as the C64. So if you have a C64 AV cable that should work.
...I think
Just no more magic smoke is all I ask!
You're correct. It's also the same as on the Commodore 16 and Plus/4.
I still need to do a video on CP/M on the C128 but it is soooo slow! It's just not funny :D
C128 is a CP/M machine for sure.
The native output wont' do both monitors at the same time, but the hardware can. It's just not programmed that way. I believe there is some software that does, but not very much.
That's how it seemed. So cool.