Yepp :) One of the most talented, professional, open mind, friendly guy in the music industry. So thank You :) Greetings from Berlin! (a small customer forever! )
Marketeers listen up...or better listen to your heart and customers. He´s got one of the ugliest websites but that doesn´t matter, for he is true and passionate. Impressive chap.
I think patch recall for modulars is possible, you just need to standardize a backend connection into each module and use a hub module for digital patch management, not some matrix with pins but digital patch recall with values and connections stored, and the internal backside special port for this connects all modules to the hub and exposes all of their cv/gate internally to all the others, and front panel connections are mirrored in the back and saved to the patch in the hub module - if you need more connections because you have a bigger system you buy a hub expander module which connects to the main one and just adds more ports for the backend stuff and operates the same way, with extensive expansion to very large systems just by daisy chaining hub expansions to the main hub module - and different companies could make their own hub modules to the standard and have some of their own unique features or interfaces for patch recall and editing etc, maybe they could let you midi map any module's parameters to an external controller over usb etc - tons of really great things would be possible, but a standard is needed as part of a eurorack 2.0 to achieve it, and unless these companies get together and get behind such an effort to innovate in this area, it will never happen.
+kassie2k4 The immediacy you get from plugging / unplugging cables with analog is great. However, having chunky audio cables for each connection is probably hindering progress. Maybe someday we will be simply able to, press a 'source' button on one bit of kit and a "target" button on another bit of kits, and have them patched together.
+kassie2k4 sorry, but dont agreed...in fact, if all the companies do like buchla do in her modules, yes, it is possible to solve that problems, and its so simple to do it!!!
where's the fun in that? :) by that point all you really have is a regular boxed (pre-wired) synth the main attraction for me is finding the sweet spots each time you patch something up. (starting out with farts and cat sounds and ending up with sweet harmonics) if you can recall patches I think you would get lazy and just use sounds you (or somebody else) made before which completely goes against the grain of modular in my mind.
I haven't had any experience with modular, but if the modules could identify the connection origin and target then you could store that information and either display it on a screen or tablet, or even have it displayed using an AR interface. I guess you would need some sort of controller that passes ID info from different patch points, potentially different patch cables will be needed to pass that signal too. You could at least then have a patch management system that you can easily visualise and then recall the connections from a previous patch.
Wonderful guy--though it's funny that he's so resistant to the idea of a preset system with controllable matrices when Buchla has already implemented such a system utilizing I2C protocol along the 200e distro boards' two bus lines. Certainly not impossible--in fact, it's already been done, just not in Eurorack. But in any case, thank you Dieter for everything.
To me the problem would be in converting the UI controls (potentiometers and switches) to make them digitally controlled. This would be expensive, and Eurorack modules are supposed to be affordable given the functionality you get. I don't think anyone wants to convert audio or CV all to digital to communicate it on an I2C or other bus, that sort of defeats the point of an analog synth...
... a standard for storing analogue patches as a digital preset has to to be future. It's a tough problem, but if it can be achieved in a self contained unit like the MFB dominion, it can be opened up and scaled out
What in the name of is this talk and gossip about Midi 2.0? Thought MIDI will be in 1.0 forever, because of it's simplicity. And what is the 2.0 going to be like?
everyone say THANK YOU PAPA DOCTOR DOEPFER!
Yepp :) One of the most talented, professional, open mind, friendly guy in the music industry. So thank You :) Greetings from Berlin! (a small customer forever! )
Thank you Doepfer!
Thank you papa doctor Doepfer =)
Marketeers listen up...or better listen to your heart and customers. He´s got one of the ugliest websites but that doesn´t matter, for he is true and passionate. Impressive chap.
Dieter Doepfer, hat off.
world needs people like him
it's always good to hear from dieter! such a great chap (and designer).
Love the Kraftwerk t-shirt.
The computer aided total recall mechanism is the camera app of your phone.
Thank you Herr Doepfer! Thank you SonicState!
I think patch recall for modulars is possible, you just need to standardize a backend connection into each module and use a hub module for digital patch management, not some matrix with pins but digital patch recall with values and connections stored, and the internal backside special port for this connects all modules to the hub and exposes all of their cv/gate internally to all the others, and front panel connections are mirrored in the back and saved to the patch in the hub module - if you need more connections because you have a bigger system you buy a hub expander module which connects to the main one and just adds more ports for the backend stuff and operates the same way, with extensive expansion to very large systems just by daisy chaining hub expansions to the main hub module - and different companies could make their own hub modules to the standard and have some of their own unique features or interfaces for patch recall and editing etc, maybe they could let you midi map any module's parameters to an external controller over usb etc - tons of really great things would be possible, but a standard is needed as part of a eurorack 2.0 to achieve it, and unless these companies get together and get behind such an effort to innovate in this area, it will never happen.
+kassie2k4
The immediacy you get from plugging / unplugging cables with analog is great. However, having chunky audio cables for each connection is probably hindering progress. Maybe someday we will be simply able to, press a 'source' button on one bit of kit and a "target" button on another bit of kits, and have them patched together.
+kassie2k4 sorry, but dont agreed...in fact, if all the companies do like buchla do in her modules, yes, it is possible to solve that problems, and its so simple to do it!!!
where's the fun in that? :)
by that point all you really have is a regular boxed (pre-wired) synth
the main attraction for me is finding the sweet spots each time you patch something up. (starting out with farts and cat sounds and ending up with sweet harmonics)
if you can recall patches I think you would get lazy and just use sounds you (or somebody else) made before which completely goes against the grain of modular in my mind.
I haven't had any experience with modular, but if the modules could identify the connection origin and target then you could store that information and either display it on a screen or tablet, or even have it displayed using an AR interface. I guess you would need some sort of controller that passes ID info from different patch points, potentially different patch cables will be needed to pass that signal too. You could at least then have a patch management system that you can easily visualise and then recall the connections from a previous patch.
Wonderful guy--though it's funny that he's so resistant to the idea of a preset system with controllable matrices when Buchla has already implemented such a system utilizing I2C protocol along the 200e distro boards' two bus lines. Certainly not impossible--in fact, it's already been done, just not in Eurorack.
But in any case, thank you Dieter for everything.
To me the problem would be in converting the UI controls (potentiometers and switches) to make them digitally controlled. This would be expensive, and Eurorack modules are supposed to be affordable given the functionality you get.
I don't think anyone wants to convert audio or CV all to digital to communicate it on an I2C or other bus, that sort of defeats the point of an analog synth...
... a standard for storing analogue patches as a digital preset has to to be future. It's a tough problem, but if it can be achieved in a self contained unit like the MFB dominion, it can be opened up and scaled out
Such a great guy
AVE CEZAR !
What in the name of is this talk and gossip about Midi 2.0? Thought MIDI will be in 1.0 forever, because of it's simplicity. And what is the 2.0 going to be like?
Where are these modules made ?