Why does 2k think the answer to balancing shooting in the game is to just make it bad / random for everyone / nerfing good players? just remove RNG and let us green our jumpshots if we know how to time it...it's not hard 😭
Wide Open? Check. High 3pt Rating? Check. Badges? Check. Hot-Zones? Check Excellent Timing? Check. Now imagine fulfilling all of these prerequisites and still missing. It's bs no matter what way you slice it. If it's Good Shot Selection and it's perfectly timed it should always go in - no if, ands, or buts about it. It's time to stop punishing good offense and start punishing bad defense. You don't want a bunch of Currys running around? Then you'd better start guarding them like they're Curry. Otherwise deal with the consequences.
Ok again, you’re pissed , angry and upset . Fair you have that right , so stop playing , streaming and complaining Delete the game and play something else , 2k is a optional ps5 game , if you complaining play something else or make a center
@@world410wreckboss7 for casuals lik you yeah it's optional, for me it's not, when you're so good at a game you just would not go play another game specially if you like basketball. and also, the comp players choose how the game should be not casuals.
@@world410wreckboss7bro people preorder a game for $70 get a decent build for the like $60 of vc then end up having their entire play style once they get their badges and test their player they spent money on and grinded on to be rng based it’s not right and no matter how you spin it or tell someone to just play another game this is unacceptable.
"The devs shouldn't cater to casuals" .... Halo try-hards said the same things when it came to Halo's multiplayer and now that game is dead. Developers should cater to casuals because if they don't they'll move on to another game and then it'll just be try-hards playing against each other in an empty city. But go ahead, keep acting lile casuals don't matter and watch what happens to the player base
@@goldnnchild4520yeah but basketball games were more popular then 2k and died to u think the game play isn’t keeping the casuals then think about the people who don’t find the grind fun enough to grind mycareer to play with friends who bought vc n all my friends quit cs the game just soaks money and is bad
Played against a pg that was 9 for 9 from 3 at halftime. He then missed 8 straight and finished 9 for 17. That was the best shooting performance I had seen in the rec up to this point.
I just went 8-19 mind you I started the game making 5 3s in a row but after that I couldn’t find a green window while knowing my jumpshot wholeheartedly. By far worst 2k in terms of shooting and movement mechanics.
3:20 You don’t have only a few milliseconds to green the 5th shot. The green window is just as wide as the other shots. It just comes in at a later time. The dotted lines represent a simulated timing in milliseconds a player is shooting & shows where their shot would land in the green window of every shot here. This is an effective test because most players learn one timing and use it for every shot. Its saying for example in the test the players who shot at around 580ms greened shots 1-4 but missed shots 5 & 6 by a wide margin as their green windows do not even start until well after 600ms. The player who shot at around 610ms greened shots 2, 4, & 5 but missed 1, 3, & 6. The takeaway is if you shoot at the exact same time for every shot you will never make every shot. However, If you shoot more reactively based on your jumpshot cue instead of a specific timing for every shot you won’t have this issue because green windows are tied to your shot cue. If the window comes earlier or later in the shot it would still be telegraphed by your jumpshot cue being slightly slower or faster. So jumpshots with a more prominent cue would have an easier time getting around this issue. A perfect Rhythm Shooter also sidesteps this entirely because you’re forced to be in sync with the entire shooting animation 100% of the time for it to even work anyway on top of it boosting your make percentage to begin with.
This is a lie, I shoot solely based on my visual queue, always have. Shot 70% from 3, 70% fg last year with a 86 3pt. This year I made a 95 3pt rating guard, I can't shoot to save my life in REC. Shoot way better in theater, and playground. The shooting in this game is just 🍑 I've tried high risk, normal, and low. I shoot best on normal, not because I don't know my visual queue, but because of the information he provided. If my visual queue is the same but my green window is changing I have a higher probability of making a shot on normal because if I supposedly "mistime" my visual queue whites still go in. Not to mention I've been playing 2k since dreamcast the original nba2k. 25 is definitely a step backwards. Way too animation based, can't do a dribble pullup/fade when I input the shot when I want. 24 was way more intuitive
@@therealaj2 I genuinely don’t understand how people like you just cherry pick information. 2k labs chart obviously shows that every shot has the same green window 😂. Mike wang also came out saying every shot has a pure green window but it’s visual based, not timing. But you refuse to believe it because you could shoot in the easiest 2ks to shoot ever, especially last year and because Hank can’t comprehend a chart the maker explained😂. Make a slasher and quit crying. before it was “it’s impossible to green 3 in a row”, now Hank is upping it to 4. I guess once people fully adapt to the game he’s gonna cope saying they did a secret fix again? Genuinely sad behavior
@@therealaj2 how is it a lie then? it literally checks out. if you shoot by visual cue, but your green window moves then no wonder your shots are off. It's basically saying that for example, your 1-4 shots are at "push" on your visual cue, but 5-6 would be around "release". Point being that there is no consistency. So people can't shoot consistent because not only your jumpshot speed fluctuates, but the cue for green window moves around as well. The only upside to this is that in theory, this should make life much harder for zens as they need consistency and predictability(hence post fades). But for everyone else this is most unrewarding shooting ever in 2k. Much like you i've played 2k for over a decade now. And i was always a somewhat decent shot in previous 2k's(~65%) in this one i'm about 50% , but the problem is that there are so many shots where I shout out "green!!!" because i felt that the timing was 100% just like i felt it in previous 2k's, and then on the contrary i have shouted at my center "miss miss!!!" and the damn thing is green. It's literally RNG. It also makes no sense why am i shooting literally same % with my 83 3 pt popper build AND my 95 3pt guard. Same inconsistency and I don't like it.
@Wonderfield uh, reading is fundamental. You basically reiterated everything I just said. I agree, shooting is off because the green window is changing but the visual queue isn't. I'm agreeing this year shooting is un-rewarding, hence I mentioned I switched to normal and seeing better results. Not because I'm timing my shots more, but because whites are now going in also. My response was to the original poster. Who said the green window is the same. Yes it's the same length but it was moved, and I'm almost 100% sure 2k didn't move the corresponding visual queue to compensate. That's the whole reason I prefaced it by saying I always shoot by looking at my visual queue, and not by muscle memory, etc.
Yeah I agree with everything in this video, RNG for a virtual basketball game is the worst idea ever, I wanna have fun and not do math in my head to time jumpshots.
@@avedeleonplays4658math you heard him people don't want to f****** go to work and come play a video game and have to do all this extra s*** while y'all been playing all f****** day just retarded give me my f****** money back
2k makes way more money from casuals than comp, so that's why they care more about them. Comp players always gonna spend the money on 2k. The answer is bring back real player % for casuals.
So tired of people being bothered by going 4/7 from 3. I shot 77% last year and I’m shooting 50% from 3 this year and idc because so is everyone else lol every year 2k would allow guards to get a screen, go left and right until they are open for a 35 ft green bean and isn’t basketball. All those sweaty teams of 99 steal and 70 3pt with one guard who can drain a fade away at half court are few and far between now and I love it
2k “we just want you to have a pure green window” ………….buut we are going to actively give your green window a random offset timing to accommodate the various catch speeds you’ll receive. Glad I’m sitting this year out. I’ll gladly keep my $300
This a prime example as to how gaming communities are ruining these games. "Don't cater to casuals"? How does that make any sense in any form of business? Not everything revolves around comp players it's not even that serious
RNG literally made what could’ve been one of the best 2ks ever one of the worse. If I know my shot I should be rewarded. I’m going against players and a literal algorithm
2klab is saying there’s no rng when it comes to greening a shot, all 6 shots have a green window and are makeable, the problem or rng comes in with the speed of the jump shot, the speed is random which affects the make %, but the ability to hit the shots with perfect timing remains the same
@@ShawnSonofGod if you have a 96-99 three ball then maybe you should make something more balanced and learn the whole game. Steph curry best shooter to ever play the game, the ones who came before him Ray Allen, r miller, Larry bird, all knew how to score the rock on all 3 levels.
@@Cryingswans if you have a 96-99 three ball and you A.know your jumpshot cue B. Have a good jumpshot that corresponds with your build C.Time it correctly within the milliseconds D. Have the attributes to consistently make that your main thing(having it that high makes you sacrifice other shit obviously) E. Have hotzones F.have badges Then you should be able to green it consistently period. It’s funny you bring up Steph curry as that man has made 105 wide open shots in a row in real life. Probably not the man you want to use as a reference to keep shooting in it’s garbage state
@@ShawnSonofGod oh yeah in warm up right? I shot 100 in mycourt the other day from the corner like Steph with a 79 three ball. You guys just want your hands held. Shootings not broken I see guys shooting 100 percent in park every day. U just need to learn that even the greats like Steph learn how to score other ways. He’s one of the best ball handlers in the ball has a nasty floater and mid range game as well. Defense has no ability to stop him because he’s not just standing there shooting 3s the entire game. Let me ask you this since you know Steph curry so well. The last championship the warriors won when Steph only shot 9 threes and did nothing else do you know what happened? In game not in warm ups , use your brain I know you can do this.
2k24 shooting was perfect. There was a real skill gap. This year is terrible give us last years shooting and being back 1-100% contest system this tight-open shit is terrible
i have 4 6/6 from 3 games in proving grounds. shooting still feel random though. the delay changes game to game and completely changes shooting with a visual cue
lmao funniest thing i ever heard, fifa and madden are heavily scripted, they literally let casuals walk all over you if you too skilled. 2k is 10 times better than EA. lets not get confused now.
There’s no way they’re real. They’re mad cuz they sucked last year bc if the game rewards real skill the bad players get killed every time. It’s so dumb they patched my entire build from last year lmao can’t even shoot consistently. I’m still at 50% but that shi is trash rim running shouldn’t be meta this ain’t the 90s
@@jacobcooper7064lol it rewards pay to win, steal spamming, squads, and no lifes that want to green every shot because they’re to pussy to take a L or miss a shot without crying
@@jacobcooper7064 yes the meta should have stayed the same as it has for the last 5 years, running back and forward over screens and pulling from 35ft without missing. Fun!
I couldn’t dog I had a 99 three and I’m over here shooting 4/16 in a 1v1 game from 3 and my opponent js shooting 2/12 from three, I had to make a midrange slasher I can’t stand this games shooting they NEED to take RNG out
U gotta remember too unless there using real player percentage and not High Risk Reward they timing it right there gonna get that white/green animation
If yall having trouble and u gotta 82+ 3ball try this jumpshot; BASE: Marjon Beauchamp, Release1: Bam Adebayo Release2: Dbook Cue:5 ticks left from release Speed: 4/4 Blend: 50/50. Feels like a guard base and has good ratings. Im a 6’7 small forward.
I don't get attacking casuals? Wouldn't they be the ones who want a more relaxed and easy going experience and not a trashy shooting mechanic with RNG? They just want to unwind and play basketball for a few hours.
U have to shoot with rhythm shooting for consistency. I promise. I am a “casual” and green consistent asf. Trust the process and lock in! Promise ts work
Man ain’t nobody got time for that. It’s been square or X for 20 years. We got real jobs and lives outside of 2k. Trying to dribble and shoot with the same analog is a bit complicated especially as a comp guard.
@@Cashflow_Riche lmao bro I’m in school and hoop. I promise if u learn how to quick stop it’s cool and lettin go of turbo when u shoot wit analog. actually watch yo player and flick up when he finna flick his wrist 😭💯
yeah that’s a good argument for making shooting random and claiming u want a realistic basketball game when in reality there are in real fucking life humans that can consistently shoot better than the majority of 2k players which is a virtual fucking game this bull shit is written somewhere in 2ks codes
7:46 mike wang said this exact same thing last year at the beginning of 2k24 when we talked about shooting and how it felt rng last year he literally just copying and pasting shit bruh
how they did it is such a lazy bandaid fix for trying to lower the high fg% in 2k. Ik they want to lower it so its more accurate and close to irl. But doing it the way they did it is crazy. theres more ways than that
Yea I knew I wasn’t trippin’ 2K acting like I mom know my own jump shot missing greens is crazy they need to fix this no bs it’s not complaining if i timing my shit right it should go in point blank period
knowing you have a voice in the 2k community and are on the same page as those with actual common sense (WHICH SEEMS NOT TO BE SO COMMON)...PLEASE POST THIS FOR 2k to see: When upgrading and leveling my player, it doesn’t feel like they’re actually getting better, especially with shooting. I’ve maxed out my 3-point rating, unlocked all the badges, boosts, and hot zones, but I’m not seeing the noticeable improvement I’d expect. How is the green window not significantly increased when I have Legend badges, all hot zones, shooting boost, and a 99 shooting rating? In fact, it feels like my shooting with no badges, no hot zones, and lower ratings feels the same as when I’ve maxed everything out. It doesn’t seem like these upgrades are really doing anything. Can you explain how you test this? Does the system take into account the 3-point level, badges, boost, and hot zones accurately? Right now, it feels like shooting builds are getting scammed because there's no real data showing how much these things are supposed to improve the green window. Another thing I don’t understand is why a jump shot animation would affect my ability to make shots. It’s a video game, so the animation shouldn’t influence my shooting percentage or rating. If it does, that should be clearly shown in the attributes so players can see its impact. If animations are affecting shots without us knowing, it’s misleading. Also, why is RNG (random number generator) even a factor in shooting? It doesn’t make sense that I can’t make 100% of my shots even when wide open, with all badges, hot zones, and a 99 shooting rating. If that’s the case, then what’s the point of maxing out my shooting attributes? It makes shooting builds like mine feel pointless. There’s no RNG on dunking, so why isn’t that consistent? A 99-rated slasher doesn’t miss dunks 30% of the time because of RNG, so why should shooters be penalized in this way? It just doesn’t make sense and feels like an imbalance. Anyone who has actually thought about the game can see this inconsistency, and I’d love to hear your explanation on why this is happening.
You don’t fully understand that’s not how it works it’s not impossible to hit the 6th 2k labs only showed 4 shots taken you just need to hold the release longer after 4
I always believed if you're wide open w/ decent ratings and not blinking red on your stamina you should have a large pure green window and heavily contested and smothered shots should have none at all. There should be no random shifts in green window sizes because if RNG nor the random changes in shot speeds they tried in previous years. What's the point in having a system that grades how open your shot is if rng is gonna change the size of your green window anyway?
I was about to say I’ve hit 6 threes in a row but then you mentioned if you dunk it resets the algorithm which yeah I dunked after the third shot. This is just crazy honestly.
watching this guy for the 1st time ive only ever seen his tweets via other youtubers vids & assumed he was a pos this guy is actually very good at this game valid points
Use rhythm shooting, and shooting doesn’t need a buff, 2k been holding comp hand too long on these rookie shooting sliders. They need to nerf under the basket post scorers. And fix the delay with rhythm shooting. Rhythm shooting removes RNG. Asking to buff shooting is bad idea. It’s like asking madden to lower the online mode to rookie. Literally anyone can win when u make the game easier. It’s good where it is.
@@Cashflow_Riche what’s ur pass accuracy? Because I don’t really see an issue. Lots of skill- less passing on next gen games, not on this one. It’s a skill gap game you gotta play it to get good. 2k doesn’t owe anyone guaranteed success
@@Cryingswans I understand that bro, my pass accuracy is a 80 decent enough. I’m talking about soon as the big get a rebound ppl spam steal and strip him when lower the ball down. You can barely inbound a pass cause it’s easy to glitch to the ball.
I don’t understand why 2K does that you can green two shots in a row but then miss the third why? If I’m timing the shot the same exact way I should make it that’s just my opinion. I think you should be rewarded for timing your shot the same exact way no matter what shot you’re taking obviously if you’re taking horrible shots red contested then no but I’m just saying in my opinion I think if you’re timing your shot perfectly, you should make it most of the time. But don’t get me wrong I’m not saying you shouldn’t be able to miss. I just think there needs to be balance in the game.
In all honesty I don’t get how putting back a pure green window would hurt casuals with normal and low profile still being in the game. Bring back pure green light windows and make whites somewhat competitive based on ratings, hotspots, badges etc. It shouldn’t be better than pure green light windows for High-Profile, but also shouldn’t be horrible either. People will still choose High-Profile to eliminate any randomness of whites falling, but it would also help the casual player enjoy the game as well. Plus for the real competitive modes, they could just have it on High-Profile by default like they do with the jumpshot meters.
Lane steals are fine. The way the offense can drag players with directional passing defense needs that counter for balance. Finally the game seems balanced. Ppl just love shooting 70%. The problem is the community isn't ready for a better game. They want the same left right easy shooting bs
The first option makes sense because wouldn’t that make them people have to learn there shot that requires more skill than just making shooting completely rng based
2k is taking the wrong approach..they should have your timing be different depending on how open you are and how smothered u are...the fact that they dont have it this way all u have to do is just have tour timing down point but with that cones a lot of bad shots just because you got your timing down point ...and it seems this is there solution. Instead they should switch the timing depending on how your guarded it shouldnt be easy to master in the first place ...only wide open shots should have the same timing and go in whe. Your smothered it should be much quicker etc
You can’t say that Casuals don’t know anything when I’m a casual and agree with most of what you’re saying. We need a green window but not some super fat window like 23
1. Name one person who complained about the game not being realistic 2. RNG literally cannot be realistic, that's why it's called R.N.G (Random Number Generator)
@@TheHippyFarmeronly those who are retarded in real life come to the UA-cam comment section to live out their retardation. You are a loser, nothing more.
I’ve seen ppl hit more than 6 in a row in rec and I’ve hit 4 to 5 in a row, just gotta adapt to timing, catches etc, shootings definitely different but it’s keeping the game competitive in my eyes
Yeah you might not be able to make a 3rd green in a row but a three pointer doesn't have to be green to go in I'm playing on easy and I've hit over 100 three pointers in a game and none of them were green
Bro, I’ve been trying to get in the art of shooting gym for over a week now and it’s still saying come back next week. Does anybody know what’s going on?🤦🏾♂️
Why does 2k think the answer to balancing shooting in the game is to just make it bad / random for everyone / nerfing good players? just remove RNG and let us green our jumpshots if we know how to time it...it's not hard 😭
Zen
You such a cry baby
Rng is better
They did it because of zens not just random rng
@@McfIurryyonly like 5% of the player base has zens
coming home from a 10 hr welding shift wanting to have fun on 2k but shoot 4/11 puts me in a deep depression 🥲
Dis so rl
@@Spidaaaaaaaaon God
This is normal in real life
Frrrr😂😂😂😂
@@maxxtech6712don’t we play video games for it not to be normal? Lol
Wide Open? Check.
High 3pt Rating? Check.
Badges? Check.
Hot-Zones? Check
Excellent Timing? Check.
Now imagine fulfilling all of these prerequisites and still missing. It's bs no matter what way you slice it. If it's Good Shot Selection and it's perfectly timed it should always go in - no if, ands, or buts about it. It's time to stop punishing good offense and start punishing bad defense. You don't want a bunch of Currys running around?
Then you'd better start guarding them like they're Curry. Otherwise deal with the consequences.
Ok again, you’re pissed , angry and upset . Fair you have that right , so stop playing , streaming and complaining
Delete the game and play something else , 2k is a optional ps5 game , if you complaining play something else or make a center
It’s only to “stop zenning” so that the timin won’t always be a match so instead of relying on feeling your too rely on the visual look which is dumb
sorry I don't get it
@@world410wreckboss7 for casuals lik you yeah it's optional, for me it's not, when you're so good at a game you just would not go play another game specially if you like basketball. and also, the comp players choose how the game should be not casuals.
@@world410wreckboss7bro people preorder a game for $70 get a decent build for the like $60 of vc then end up having their entire play style once they get their badges and test their player they spent money on and grinded on to be rng based it’s not right and no matter how you spin it or tell someone to just play another game this is unacceptable.
"The devs shouldn't cater to casuals" .... Halo try-hards said the same things when it came to Halo's multiplayer and now that game is dead. Developers should cater to casuals because if they don't they'll move on to another game and then it'll just be try-hards playing against each other in an empty city. But go ahead, keep acting lile casuals don't matter and watch what happens to the player base
The moment there is a competitive basketball game on the market, 2k is cooked.
There is no other 2k to move onto
Halo died because all the games they put out after 3 were trash
This is already how 2k is. 2k’s life span lasts until about February of every year.
@@goldnnchild4520yeah but basketball games were more popular then 2k and died to u think the game play isn’t keeping the casuals then think about the people who don’t find the grind fun enough to grind mycareer to play with friends who bought vc n all my friends quit cs the game just soaks money and is bad
All of the inside centers just sitting back watching everybody else cry😂😂😂
Paint defense so cooked this year
@@blazerr4643I get 3 snatch blocks every rec game it’s just so easy on my 6’11
i average 22 rebounds in rec😂😂
Not unless you a 7’0 board hunter with a 85 3pointer and can’t make a shot consistently like me 😭
@@ronaldlochard944”inside centers”
Played against a pg that was 9 for 9 from 3 at halftime. He then missed 8 straight and finished 9 for 17. That was the best shooting performance I had seen in the rec up to this point.
I just went 8-19 mind you I started the game making 5 3s in a row but after that I couldn’t find a green window while knowing my jumpshot wholeheartedly. By far worst 2k in terms of shooting and movement mechanics.
Shooting is soo horrible🤦🏾♂️
Ur just ssa
Nigga said ssa ☠️@@tresimon7879
@@tresimon7879nah they should’ve just kept it the same they literally nerfed your chances even if you time it right everytime 😂
@@nohesii160 the problem is that they don’t give a ish and we gonna pay for it anyway 😂
“You don’t need to cater to the casuals” wtf are you talking about that’s 90% of the community
Right? Dude thinks he's special
Correct, this is why 2k dies EVERY February and hankdatank’s views go down💀💀
3:20 You don’t have only a few milliseconds to green the 5th shot. The green window is just as wide as the other shots. It just comes in at a later time. The dotted lines represent a simulated timing in milliseconds a player is shooting & shows where their shot would land in the green window of every shot here. This is an effective test because most players learn one timing and use it for every shot.
Its saying for example in the test the players who shot at around 580ms greened shots 1-4 but missed shots 5 & 6 by a wide margin as their green windows do not even start until well after 600ms. The player who shot at around 610ms greened shots 2, 4, & 5 but missed 1, 3, & 6. The takeaway is if you shoot at the exact same time for every shot you will never make every shot.
However, If you shoot more reactively based on your jumpshot cue instead of a specific timing for every shot you won’t have this issue because green windows are tied to your shot cue. If the window comes earlier or later in the shot it would still be telegraphed by your jumpshot cue being slightly slower or faster. So jumpshots with a more prominent cue would have an easier time getting around this issue. A perfect Rhythm Shooter also sidesteps this entirely because you’re forced to be in sync with the entire shooting animation 100% of the time for it to even work anyway on top of it boosting your make percentage to begin with.
This is a lie, I shoot solely based on my visual queue, always have. Shot 70% from 3, 70% fg last year with a 86 3pt. This year I made a 95 3pt rating guard, I can't shoot to save my life in REC. Shoot way better in theater, and playground. The shooting in this game is just 🍑
I've tried high risk, normal, and low. I shoot best on normal, not because I don't know my visual queue, but because of the information he provided. If my visual queue is the same but my green window is changing I have a higher probability of making a shot on normal because if I supposedly "mistime" my visual queue whites still go in.
Not to mention I've been playing 2k since dreamcast the original nba2k. 25 is definitely a step backwards. Way too animation based, can't do a dribble pullup/fade when I input the shot when I want. 24 was way more intuitive
@@therealaj2 ur just ass lil bro
@@therealaj2 I genuinely don’t understand how people like you just cherry pick information. 2k labs chart obviously shows that every shot has the same green window 😂. Mike wang also came out saying every shot has a pure green window but it’s visual based, not timing. But you refuse to believe it because you could shoot in the easiest 2ks to shoot ever, especially last year and because Hank can’t comprehend a chart the maker explained😂. Make a slasher and quit crying. before it was “it’s impossible to green 3 in a row”, now Hank is upping it to 4. I guess once people fully adapt to the game he’s gonna cope saying they did a secret fix again? Genuinely sad behavior
@@therealaj2 how is it a lie then? it literally checks out. if you shoot by visual cue, but your green window moves then no wonder your shots are off. It's basically saying that for example, your 1-4 shots are at "push" on your visual cue, but 5-6 would be around "release". Point being that there is no consistency. So people can't shoot consistent because not only your jumpshot speed fluctuates, but the cue for green window moves around as well. The only upside to this is that in theory, this should make life much harder for zens as they need consistency and predictability(hence post fades). But for everyone else this is most unrewarding shooting ever in 2k.
Much like you i've played 2k for over a decade now. And i was always a somewhat decent shot in previous 2k's(~65%) in this one i'm about 50% , but the problem is that there are so many shots where I shout out "green!!!" because i felt that the timing was 100% just like i felt it in previous 2k's, and then on the contrary i have shouted at my center "miss miss!!!" and the damn thing is green. It's literally RNG. It also makes no sense why am i shooting literally same % with my 83 3 pt popper build AND my 95 3pt guard. Same inconsistency and I don't like it.
@Wonderfield uh, reading is fundamental. You basically reiterated everything I just said. I agree, shooting is off because the green window is changing but the visual queue isn't. I'm agreeing this year shooting is un-rewarding, hence I mentioned I switched to normal and seeing better results. Not because I'm timing my shots more, but because whites are now going in also.
My response was to the original poster. Who said the green window is the same.
Yes it's the same length but it was moved, and I'm almost 100% sure 2k didn't move the corresponding visual queue to compensate. That's the whole reason I prefaced it by saying I always shoot by looking at my visual queue, and not by muscle memory, etc.
Yeah I agree with everything in this video, RNG for a virtual basketball game is the worst idea ever, I wanna have fun and not do math in my head to time jumpshots.
@ReIiqq Math? i think you're playing a different game my guy
@@avedeleonplays4658math you heard him people don't want to f****** go to work and come play a video game and have to do all this extra s*** while y'all been playing all f****** day just retarded give me my f****** money back
2k makes way more money from casuals than comp, so that's why they care more about them. Comp players always gonna spend the money on 2k. The answer is bring back real player % for casuals.
So tired of people being bothered by going 4/7 from 3. I shot 77% last year and I’m shooting 50% from 3 this year and idc because so is everyone else lol every year 2k would allow guards to get a screen, go left and right until they are open for a 35 ft green bean and isn’t basketball. All those sweaty teams of 99 steal and 70 3pt with one guard who can drain a fade away at half court are few and far between now and I love it
Facts bruh
Sounds like somebody needed 2ks help when they were getting bodied
@@RealKoolKid1 sounds like someone can’t dribble without a screen set
Facts bro Hank is literally doing this in the vid and it's why he's crying 😂
2k “we just want you to have a pure green window” ………….buut we are going to actively give your green window a random offset timing to accommodate the various catch speeds you’ll receive.
Glad I’m sitting this year out. I’ll gladly keep my $300
This a prime example as to how gaming communities are ruining these games. "Don't cater to casuals"? How does that make any sense in any form of business? Not everything revolves around comp players it's not even that serious
I’m actually happy you made this Rant vid cause we needed it they made a patch and didn’t even touch the gameplay
RNG literally made what could’ve been one of the best 2ks ever one of the worse. If I know my shot I should be rewarded. I’m going against players and a literal algorithm
Ive run into plenty of people who don't miss at all, Like people with 86 3pt so its definitely possible
2klab is saying there’s no rng when it comes to greening a shot, all 6 shots have a green window and are makeable, the problem or rng comes in with the speed of the jump shot, the speed is random which affects the make %, but the ability to hit the shots with perfect timing remains the same
Also count ur threes if you hit 3 in a row take a middie , pull up, lay up or dunk reset it. It’s so mindless to just want to stand there and shoot.
If you have a 96/99 three ball..that’s what you do
@@ShawnSonofGod if you have a 96-99 three ball then maybe you should make something more balanced and learn the whole game. Steph curry best shooter to ever play the game, the ones who came before him Ray Allen, r miller, Larry bird, all knew how to score the rock on all 3 levels.
@@Cryingswans if you have a 96-99 three ball and you
A.know your jumpshot cue
B. Have a good jumpshot that corresponds with your build
C.Time it correctly within the milliseconds
D. Have the attributes to consistently make that your main thing(having it that high makes you sacrifice other shit obviously)
E. Have hotzones
F.have badges
Then you should be able to green it consistently period.
It’s funny you bring up Steph curry as that man has made 105 wide open shots in a row in real life. Probably not the man you want to use as a reference to keep shooting in it’s garbage state
@@ShawnSonofGod oh yeah in warm up right? I shot 100 in mycourt the other day from the corner like Steph with a 79 three ball. You guys just want your hands held. Shootings not broken I see guys shooting 100 percent in park every day. U just need to learn that even the greats like Steph learn how to score other ways. He’s one of the best ball handlers in the ball has a nasty floater and mid range game as well. Defense has no ability to stop him because he’s not just standing there shooting 3s the entire game. Let me ask you this since you know Steph curry so well. The last championship the warriors won when Steph only shot 9 threes and did nothing else do you know what happened? In game not in warm ups , use your brain I know you can do this.
@@ShawnSonofGod spoiler he went 0/9 smh 😂 then the next game he came out cooking and playing basketball found his rhythm and put Boston to sleep.
Man making a mid range slasher looks better each day😂
Good luck shooting middys lol 😂
😂😂😂😂 was just looking at one on the builder
My 2-Way Mid Range Slasher eating good lol. And he’s shooting good with an 84 3PT. You’ll be good as long as you don’t 3 hunt.
2k24 shooting was perfect. There was a real skill gap. This year is terrible give us last years shooting and being back 1-100% contest system this tight-open shit is terrible
Ur just ssa
I shot 8/9 on threes in the rec with a 89 three
I seen someone make 7 in a row in rec for 3😭
I make 6/6 almost every game in rec with 78 3 pt
rec difficulty is lower
It's still possible to hit all of your shots, you just have to go off visual cue instead of timing.
i have 4 6/6 from 3 games in proving grounds. shooting still feel random though. the delay changes game to game and completely changes shooting with a visual cue
@@Lodulalit99what’s your percentage
Go to controller settings, put timing on jump, go to your custom jumpshot , set cue to release, instant greens
100 comp players vs 10,000,000 casual players 2k going to move with the money. Ps no casuals no youtube videos....just saying
0:15 he said you don’t need to cater to the casuals!! Mfer that’s like 90% of the game🤣🤣 what he really saying is “cater to me”
All these “competitive players” bitch and moan every year
So we basically shooting on hopes and prayers🤦🏽♂️
bro my point exactly like how tf is a basketball game RNG!?!?!? make it make sense bro.....
bro said madden was realistic 😂
yea hell no 😂
and fifa lmao
@@akakezzy6152fifa is realistic now
2k UA-camrs really only grind 1 game I just got off ncaa cuz of bs
lmao funniest thing i ever heard, fifa and madden are heavily scripted, they literally let casuals walk all over you if you too skilled. 2k is 10 times better than EA. lets not get confused now.
5:30 youre spitting 😂 these casuals and old heads are delusional wanting the game to be super realistic. They cant be real
Your a casual
There’s no way they’re real. They’re mad cuz they sucked last year bc if the game rewards real skill the bad players get killed every time. It’s so dumb they patched my entire build from last year lmao can’t even shoot consistently. I’m still at 50% but that shi is trash rim running shouldn’t be meta this ain’t the 90s
@@jacobcooper7064lol it rewards pay to win, steal spamming, squads, and no lifes that want to green every shot because they’re to pussy to take a L or miss a shot without crying
they want to get rewarded for camping paint against good shooters
@@jacobcooper7064 yes the meta should have stayed the same as it has for the last 5 years, running back and forward over screens and pulling from 35ft without missing. Fun!
I couldn’t dog I had a 99 three and I’m over here shooting 4/16 in a 1v1 game from 3 and my opponent js shooting 2/12 from three, I had to make a midrange slasher I can’t stand this games shooting they NEED to take RNG out
U gotta remember too unless there using real player percentage and not High Risk Reward they timing it right there gonna get that white/green animation
This does has lost the plot and isnt with us in reality... 😂
2k should leave it the way it is. Adapt to it or stop playing.
If yall having trouble and u gotta 82+ 3ball try this jumpshot; BASE: Marjon Beauchamp, Release1: Bam Adebayo Release2: Dbook
Cue:5 ticks left from release
Speed: 4/4
Blend: 50/50.
Feels like a guard base and has good ratings. Im a 6’7 small forward.
please look for work
@@geert574 ????
Video is straight facts man💪🏾keep bein tht voice bro
I don't get attacking casuals? Wouldn't they be the ones who want a more relaxed and easy going experience and not a trashy shooting mechanic with RNG? They just want to unwind and play basketball for a few hours.
Once the jumpshots start falling. 6'5 guards won't keep piling up in the paint cuz they can't shoot
You don't understand how to read the 2klabs graph. Doesn't mean you can't make it, means you have the alter your timing on every shot
I’ve greened 7/7 in Rec multiple times ion miss nun wym
U have to shoot with rhythm shooting for consistency. I promise. I am a “casual” and green consistent asf. Trust the process and lock in! Promise ts work
Man ain’t nobody got time for that. It’s been square or X for 20 years. We got real jobs and lives outside of 2k. Trying to dribble and shoot with the same analog is a bit complicated especially as a comp guard.
@@Cashflow_Riche lmao bro I’m in school and hoop. I promise if u learn how to quick stop it’s cool and lettin go of turbo when u shoot wit analog. actually watch yo player and flick up when he finna flick his wrist 😭💯
@@trentonjohnson931 Aight bro ima try it man, ill stay positive 😂
@@Cashflow_Riche 😭💯
This video needs way more attention and notice!!
I’ve gon 7/7 from 3 in the rec before but you are 100% right, you have to mix up your shots to reset the algorithm.
1:39 thats not true, i've seen my teammates go 5/5 in games
yeah that’s a good argument for making shooting random and claiming u want a realistic basketball game when in reality there are in real fucking life humans that can consistently shoot better than the majority of 2k players which is a virtual fucking game this bull shit is written somewhere in 2ks codes
Yeah shooting is crazy this year. One game I’ll go 5/6 then the next I’ll go 2/10
0:38 Ive had one game 5/5. A few 3/3. And a heap of 0/3 😂
4 total 6/6 but never 7/7
I went 6/6 modt 3s was 14/19 and so many 3/9 games lol
7:46 mike wang said this exact same thing last year at the beginning of 2k24 when we talked about shooting and how it felt rng last year he literally just copying and pasting shit bruh
You gotta use rhythm shooting on the 3rd and 4th
how they did it is such a lazy bandaid fix for trying to lower the high fg% in 2k. Ik they want to lower it so its more accurate and close to irl. But doing it the way they did it is crazy. theres more ways than that
Yea I knew I wasn’t trippin’ 2K acting like I mom know my own jump shot missing greens is crazy they need to fix this no bs it’s not complaining if i timing my shit right it should go in point blank period
How about high risk smaller green window pure green window, normal bigger green window more rng
knowing you have a voice in the 2k community and are on the same page as those with actual common sense (WHICH SEEMS NOT TO BE SO COMMON)...PLEASE POST THIS FOR 2k to see: When upgrading and leveling my player, it doesn’t feel like they’re actually getting better, especially with shooting. I’ve maxed out my 3-point rating, unlocked all the badges, boosts, and hot zones, but I’m not seeing the noticeable improvement I’d expect. How is the green window not significantly increased when I have Legend badges, all hot zones, shooting boost, and a 99 shooting rating?
In fact, it feels like my shooting with no badges, no hot zones, and lower ratings feels the same as when I’ve maxed everything out. It doesn’t seem like these upgrades are really doing anything. Can you explain how you test this? Does the system take into account the 3-point level, badges, boost, and hot zones accurately? Right now, it feels like shooting builds are getting scammed because there's no real data showing how much these things are supposed to improve the green window.
Another thing I don’t understand is why a jump shot animation would affect my ability to make shots. It’s a video game, so the animation shouldn’t influence my shooting percentage or rating. If it does, that should be clearly shown in the attributes so players can see its impact. If animations are affecting shots without us knowing, it’s misleading.
Also, why is RNG (random number generator) even a factor in shooting? It doesn’t make sense that I can’t make 100% of my shots even when wide open, with all badges, hot zones, and a 99 shooting rating. If that’s the case, then what’s the point of maxing out my shooting attributes? It makes shooting builds like mine feel pointless. There’s no RNG on dunking, so why isn’t that consistent? A 99-rated slasher doesn’t miss dunks 30% of the time because of RNG, so why should shooters be penalized in this way?
It just doesn’t make sense and feels like an imbalance. Anyone who has actually thought about the game can see this inconsistency, and I’d love to hear your explanation on why this is happening.
You don’t fully understand that’s not how it works it’s not impossible to hit the 6th 2k labs only showed 4 shots taken you just need to hold the release longer after 4
I always believed if you're wide open w/ decent ratings and not blinking red on your stamina you should have a large pure green window and heavily contested and smothered shots should have none at all. There should be no random shifts in green window sizes because if RNG nor the random changes in shot speeds they tried in previous years. What's the point in having a system that grades how open your shot is if rng is gonna change the size of your green window anyway?
double blue bars and all three gatorade boost is a completely different game for everything not just shooting
I was about to say I’ve hit 6 threes in a row but then you mentioned if you dunk it resets the algorithm which yeah I dunked after the third shot. This is just crazy honestly.
watching this guy for the 1st time ive only ever seen his tweets via other youtubers vids & assumed he was a pos
this guy is actually very good at this game valid points
Use rhythm shooting, and shooting doesn’t need a buff, 2k been holding comp hand too long on these rookie shooting sliders. They need to nerf under the basket post scorers. And fix the delay with rhythm shooting. Rhythm shooting removes RNG. Asking to buff shooting is bad idea. It’s like asking madden to lower the online mode to rookie. Literally anyone can win when u make the game easier. It’s good where it is.
No it ain’t stop the 🧢 lanes it’s crazy OD especially with this over complicated shooting.
@@Cashflow_Riche what’s ur pass accuracy? Because I don’t really see an issue. Lots of skill- less passing on next gen games, not on this one. It’s a skill gap game you gotta play it to get good. 2k doesn’t owe anyone guaranteed success
@@Cryingswans I understand that bro, my pass accuracy is a 80 decent enough. I’m talking about soon as the big get a rebound ppl spam steal and strip him when lower the ball down. You can barely inbound a pass cause it’s easy to glitch to the ball.
@@Cashflow_Richethat strip off rebound immediately shit is annoying
The shot q is the same tho just need to adjust to the different timings and really look at ur hands
I don’t understand why 2K does that you can green two shots in a row but then miss the third why? If I’m timing the shot the same exact way I should make it that’s just my opinion. I think you should be rewarded for timing your shot the same exact way no matter what shot you’re taking obviously if you’re taking horrible shots red contested then no but I’m just saying in my opinion I think if you’re timing your shot perfectly, you should make it most of the time. But don’t get me wrong I’m not saying you shouldn’t be able to miss. I just think there needs to be balance in the game.
In all honesty I don’t get how putting back a pure green window would hurt casuals with normal and low profile still being in the game. Bring back pure green light windows and make whites somewhat competitive based on ratings, hotspots, badges etc. It shouldn’t be better than pure green light windows for High-Profile, but also shouldn’t be horrible either. People will still choose High-Profile to eliminate any randomness of whites falling, but it would also help the casual player enjoy the game as well. Plus for the real competitive modes, they could just have it on High-Profile by default like they do with the jumpshot meters.
Lane steals are fine. The way the offense can drag players with directional passing defense needs that counter for balance. Finally the game seems balanced. Ppl just love shooting 70%. The problem is the community isn't ready for a better game. They want the same left right easy shooting bs
You didn’t miss
Bruh I need a 6 6 92 jumper this prob the only 2k I deadass can't shoot in I'm tryna enjoy 25 frl
The first option makes sense because wouldn’t that make them people have to learn there shot that requires more skill than just making shooting completely rng based
This means heat check is going to be OP
2k literally made an option so casual players can shoot better with low risk. i don’t get why RNG is in the game.
Ive went 4/4 in the proving grounds and rec idk🤷🏾♂️ but shooting is definitely way harder
Idk why people be saying stuff about shooting is hard when it’s not
2k is taking the wrong approach..they should have your timing be different depending on how open you are and how smothered u are...the fact that they dont have it this way all u have to do is just have tour timing down point but with that cones a lot of bad shots just because you got your timing down point ...and it seems this is there solution. Instead they should switch the timing depending on how your guarded it shouldnt be easy to master in the first place ...only wide open shots should have the same timing and go in whe. Your smothered it should be much quicker etc
I just feel like personally all they needed to fix was the cheese dribbling and defense
You can’t say that Casuals don’t know anything when I’m a casual and agree with most of what you’re saying. We need a green window but not some super fat window like 23
I dont get why they keep touching shooting every 2k when shooting was never a problem they should be focusing on
I just went 9/10 in rec this morning. I’m not sure which one I missed but I had to make at least 5 in row once
It makes defense so much easier
Defense is kinda broken right now. Contests really don’t register and lanes are out of control
@@jacobwilkie241 yea you right about that but I’m saying you can leave somebody open and there bound to miss 3 of the shots they take from the 3
Wait but doesn’t that chart show that shot 5 and 6 have the same size green window but the timing is just different?
Yeah he completely misinterpreted the graph he thought the dotted lines were the green window or some shit lmfao
people are acting like when i hold down on right stick running at the paint it’s taking so much skill
I went 7/7 in the first two quarters then it turn into 7/13 by the fourth
I had someone go 6/6 from 3 in a park game
The shooting is literally why I’m done with 2k lol and then the meter is pretty much irrelevant too
Crying about shooting 50% from 3. You “content creators” are a joke. This is the best 2k in a long time
I'm glad to see not everyone is delusional as this retard is lol
they said they was trying to fix zen users
they cant ever do that
@@HankDaTank2ktbf it works since the visual cue is the same
@@HankDaTank2k yea true
@@HankDaTank2kthey did by doing this…
Thought I was trippin Ik I be timing TF out my jumpshot think I’m off 2k till they fix it.
No you're not
So real question is it different for like the different modes because I want seven for seven in a rec game but I haven’t played a park game
People complain about the game not being realistic and then they make a realistic game and UA-cam melts down 😂😂😂
I’m pretty sure Steph Curry has made 4 three-pointers in a row. This is not realistic
1. Name one person who complained about the game not being realistic
2. RNG literally cannot be realistic, that's why it's called R.N.G (Random Number Generator)
I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone say they wanted a realistic game…
Only those who fail in real life want a video game to live out their failures.. It's a video game, nothing more
@@TheHippyFarmeronly those who are retarded in real life come to the UA-cam comment section to live out their retardation. You are a loser, nothing more.
Are you gonna get into rhythm shooting
2k just too lazy to make a good anti-cheat because I’m starting to think they just don’t got one😂😂😂😂
I’ve seen ppl hit more than 6 in a row in rec and I’ve hit 4 to 5 in a row, just gotta adapt to timing, catches etc, shootings definitely different but it’s keeping the game competitive in my eyes
I went from 70% from 3pt last year and now I can’t even make an open three. I missed like 10 threes inna a row
Lol I’m not gon lie I never thought in would say this but a zen looking real tempting 😂
2k labs tests this in black top though not in online game modes
Genuine question. Why can’t they just implement an anti cheat like call of duty? They can detect the usage of a zen and then ban people
Just like in real life, when steph curry gets red hot, everyone knows to leave him wide open…
These guys expect to be red hot every possession, that's the problem.
I hit 7/7 sometimes got screenshots to prove it too. You just have to play smart
They did it to fix the zenners and yes it stops zens from working but it also effects legit players so it don’t really make sense
No shot in the NBA is the same.
Only way to not miss is tempo shooting
So were ganna say defense is great,with eveyone making contested layups and dunks?
Tbf layups are constantly contested irl like almost every time and they drop.
You need a time machine to play defense with the lag. Especially when people can just left right around screens
If the shooting is bad, then its bad for everyone. Casual have nothing to so with it. Because if shooting is easy, then it would be easy for everyone
Yeah you might not be able to make a 3rd green in a row but a three pointer doesn't have to be green to go in I'm playing on easy and I've hit over 100 three pointers in a game and none of them were green
Bro, I’ve been trying to get in the art of shooting gym for over a week now and it’s still saying come back next week. Does anybody know what’s going on?🤦🏾♂️
Just seen a pf on proving ground shoot 7/7 soon as you say that
I don’t know if that guy post fading is using zen
I shot 5/6 in a game and felt like a god lol again I shoot 57% from 3 with a 5’9 97 three ball 😂