🔴 Leica M4-P Review + Leica M6 Review (Leica M4-P vs M6 Detailed Comparison)
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- Leica M4-P Review: Perfect cheap Leica M6 alternative with Leica M6 Classic costing ~£2000!
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Leica M4P is certainly worth considering! Side by side detailed comparison hands on review explaining the differences between the Leica M4P and Leica M6 Classic camera. Leica M4-P review vs the very popular M6. Overview of the Leica M4-P vs M6 includes the cameras main features, differences and sample photos. I also explain the different Leica M6 viewfinder magnification options available and the Leica frame lines. The M4-P is the same as the Leica M6 Framelines - 28/90, 35/135, 50/75 (*which are different to the Leica M4 framelines).
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I needed this video!!!! Thank you
Reuben Zuazua happy I could help! Thanks 😊
Very useful video as I was always looking to get the Leica M6, but the M4-P is almost identical except for the built-in light meter which isn't really a biggy since I shoot sunny-16. M4-P is now on the cards!
Thanksm yes that is why Ibought mine. They offer far better value for money vs the overpriced M6! :)
Thank you! Finally found someone that’s not a sheep. M4-P is by far superior.
Yes I still use mine!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom It’s so weird Matt. It’s like one hipster with an audience put out that the M6 was a god and they all jumped on and drive the prices up insanely.
@@NarcissismSurvivor haha. it has a light meter, I think thanks why newbies like it.
Great review Matt
Thanks Gary, it's one of my first ones so i've done 200+ videos since. The newer ones are hopefully slightly better even if the information is similar!
Stunning photos. Thank you for the comparison. How do you achieve the amazing ASMRy sound of the shutter and the cocking of the shutter?
Thanks! This is one of my oldest if 400+ videos so it was basic kit. Rode mic for audio wired into the camera.
Thank you so much for this video. I think the M4 is also worth a mention. Probably going to buy an M6 in addition to my M4.
Thanks! Yes sorry I didn’t have a M4 to share. Maybe I can in a future video.
Great video. I shot a Zeiss Ikon ZM for years then last May it died. I'm going to replace it in 2020 with a Leica, trying to decide which one. Your timing couldn't be better. Thanks for this!
Chris Klug Hi Chris, ah yes that is nice timing ha! I don’t cover all the Leica M film cameras here but there is more on the blog too. 👍🏻😊
Chris Klug Hi Chris, ah yes that is nice timing ha! I don’t cover all the Leica M film cameras here but there is more on the blog too. 👍🏻😊
You need one more video, added to your Leica playlist. Ha! Thanks for the video, was just handed a M4-P that was in Houston flood, plus a whole tote of Leica lenses, R-4s still in boxes, I'm still crying.. .
Thanks for the review, will keep looking for a good one. Stay safe. Peace
Hi William, thanks! Sorry to hear this :( Yes the Leica R offer a great entry point, I just got a R5 but see my R6 vid!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Had already found your R6 vid.
It's going to be a fun project, and since I just moved my instrument repair shop home, ( our little airport closed), I hope to get the Hurricane Harvey gear restored. Just finished an Aires 35 IIIL, and a PAX M2. I like fixing them, just as much as shooting them. I'm off to pickup the bin of lenses, now.
Stay safe please, and
thanks, again. Peace
Thank you, Matt!
Thanks Greg, I must tried to make new videos for these great cameras. I still use them a lot.
I did my best work with the M6. That the camera's functions are so basic is what made it extremely easy to work with.
Thanks Jake, agreed, I do love the simplicity of Leica. I think finding a camera that works for each of us is important.
I must have had a "monday morning model," and I regret selling it, I must confess.
Nice one Matt. I have to ask what is your Fav film type and have you used Agfa CT Precisa for a photoshoot?
Paz Rahn thanks Paz! I wish I had time to post more videos faster! :) Fav film - TMax 400 I think..AGFA see blog film reviews .. great but not used for portraits and can’t get it now :(
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Fully understand the work to produce a video. Yer pity Agfa discontinued CT precisa I just shot my last roll yesterday. Was keen to know if you had used some. eBay was the last place you could get some. Ill get some TMAX 400 next. as i have heaps of HP5 that i dont overly like.
Paz Rahn thanks, yes 120 HP5 much better than 35mm for me. I did look on eBay before for AGFA.. before you buy TMax I’d say check some of my b&w film review blog posts. Lots of examples from each film then can decide if like, delta 100 also great and others..
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Cheers will do.
4-P with 28mm elmarit, 50 and 90 mm 'cron lenses are my dream set up.
Nice setup for sure! M4Ps are a great M6 alternative.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I may go that way so I can have a light meter.
I think I read one of your audience members remark that his M6 batteries drained rapidly. It's worth reminding folks that the M6 meter remains on for 10 seconds if the shutter is cocked. One way to switch it off is to set the shutter speed dial to B, or unscrewing the battery holder to break contact, otherwise, touching the shutter release will reactivate the meter. Each reactivation lasts 10 seconds. It switches off when the camera is fired.
Thanks Jake, nice tip. I guess a second tip is always carry spare batteries. They are so cheap there is no excuse not to have a few spares.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom It wouldn't hurt to carry a light meter either.
@@jakepeters4370 yes that’s my setup 👍🏻 Sekonics
I sold mine because, it is a drag this lightmeter. Pretty stupid system. And I have been using Leicas for 40 years.
Of course, every user of an M6 knows this, but the "system" remains primitive and cumbersome.
Have the M4-P, got it exactly because of the reasons you mentioned
ARS Analog ah great! Great minds think alike! :) Thanks for checking out the video. More soon!
You can attach the MR-2 light meter for the M4-P and both cameras will accept the Leica M motor drive. I have both bodies very well used since the late 80's. Love them both.
Thanks Anthony, yes sometimes i've been tempted by a light meter but i've not got one as yet. I just use handheld Sekonic light meters. Good to hear you have both and they are still going well! Thanks for info and stopping by!
Is the light meter on top pretty accurate ? Just dial in the film speed, pick the shutter speed, and it tells you which aperture to be at ?! Or....?
@@TopshelfJunior It's fairly accurate. First you set the ASA-ISO. There is a button you press to get a reading either at a low light or bright light with a selector. A needle is activated and settles to segmented bars that indicated your light reading after you release the button. All you do is align the choice of aperture to that bar zone, then the dial gives you the shutter speed solution. It's great for general reflected light reading of an area, landscape, street, a room. It depends to what level of measurement perfection you seek. The problem with these meters is the battery. It's the old 1,35V mercury type that powers them. You can find alternatives to that issue. I'll let you go through that research yourself...it's complicated. Maybe our host, Mr-Leica, will pick one up and do a discovery review on them.
@@ton1911 Oh ok.. Thanks for the reply !!! I thought the meter on top, once it settles...it tells you what aperture to be at.. I didn't know it tells you which aperture AND shutter speed to dial in.. I figured you set ASA first, pick a shutter speed second, meter third, aperture fourth, take the photo fifth.. Got it tho ! Gonna buy one and figure it out lol..
Anthony Lukban thanks Anthony! I use handheld Sekonic meters so don’t have experience with this meter.
great video, Matt!
Have you tried the m4-2? It's got the never body but the cleaner old style frame lines than m4-p or m6.
Hi Andrii, thanks for watching and your feedback. I've not tried a M4-2. Thanks for explaining the difference. Maybe one day I will! :)
Dan cheers Dan. I’ve been enjoying older Leicas this year. My latest buy is a iiF 👍🏻
Hey, I just noticed that my M4 that I just got brings up both 35mm and 135mm framelines. Do you think that it also brings up 28mm? I thought it was only supposed to bring up 35mm alone.
Hello, I don't own the M4 only the M4-P but my understanding was every camera except the M2 and M3 brings up pairs of framelines. That's why people enjoy the older models so much. I checked my "Leica Buyer's Guide" for you.. no the M4 does not have 28mm frame - mrleica.com/best-leica-film-camera-buyers-guide/
Matt Osborne Ah got it thanks. I found out that it shows 35/135
@@AetherCS2 Yes 35mm & 135mm as a pair is correct for that camera. Enjoy! :)
M4-2 and M4-p are certainly the most desirable and strong M. recess window, black, with strong mechanism for motors, clear télémèter….
Thanks, yes i've been very happy with mine
I’ve just been reading your website, you say the M4-P comes with zinc plates, that’s not the case.
The majority of the M4-Ps have brass plates.
You’ve also said there is flare in the view finder, did you experience this?
Thanks
Thanks, they are not brass I think, these cameras feel much lighter than the brass cameras (M2, M3 etc I have). I own 2x M4P still and use them a lot. Finders on the earlier models (M2, M3 are the best but the M4P isn't terrible at all.
Thanks for coming back to me so promptly 👍🏻 perhaps you have the later models.
Brill thank you, would you say the viewfinder (in terms of flare) is the same as the m6?
Thanks
@@ablfc4424 yes similar to my M6 anyway. They may vary.
Your Leica comparison page is down mate; "There has been a critical error on this website."
Thank you, so sorry for that. I was overseas so was not able to ring the help centre. Luckily it's all back online. They said it was an auto software update that killed it. Luckily it has only maybe happened twice in over 10 years. Back online and new posts very soon!
What’s best camera straps for Leica M?
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If i have that much money. Right now in 2024 For m system I will get: m11 for its pixel binning, m9 for its full frame kodak ccd, and for film ill get m3 for taste and hexar rf for function
Nice lineup! I use older digital bodies as my preference is film
I want to get in to Leica and I was wondering if this is a fair price for a Leica M4-P, I want your opinion and not that of ebay; This is the camera that stops people in the street. Excellent condition custom M4-P. De-badged and with panda hardware.
This is brass bodied M4-P unlike some of the later builds which were zink.
M3 advance lever and milled brass rewind crank. Extremely handsome camera. Mechanically perfect and ust CLA’d.
1,350 euro ( no offers )
Thanks in advance.
Thanks for the info. Yes I like the M4-P, I have 2 that I use more than my M6. Price of a normal one is usually close to the cheapest M, maybe excluding the M5. For custom ones if you finder the right buyer they will hopefully pay a premium for it but collectors are generally less interested. Just my 2p worth.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Not helpful but thanks anyway.
@@mamiyapress yes sorry there is always a broad range of prices for any camera depending on condition, seller a demand.
Tell me, I have a 1956 Canon VT Deluxe, and a 1962 Canon 7, and my pride is my Yashica YF, and two Contax II, and III. Should I get rid of them and get a Leica M2 instead since that I rather use an external Light meter in which they are the Minolta Autometer III, and Sekonic L28c2 in which they have with me since my City College days in 1975 to today, as I also have my Nikon System in which I rather keep the lens for my Digital models. And what do you think? Since I have been doing photography since 1972, and that I use my cameras in both Film, and Digital uses, Do you think that it might make a change to my shooting? I do not think so. After seeing this video that Yes you are thinking like a Leica, as also that after I received my degree in photography that I did do Fashion after seeing the film Bilits from Fame Photographer David Hamilton (Love his Work, RIP too) that in the fil it shows a actor using a Leica M4, But that is not the point, the point is that Hamilton photo work taught me in using color, and softness with light, and also music from the film that I use it in my fashion work, but as luck would have it that in after seeing one of my friends as they were models, that one got Rape in Italy, and the other contracted HIV+ that Fashion was not for me. So I got a job working at a Camera Store in San Francisco, and I have to tell you this that it was the Happiest 34 years working there, as for my co-workers that yes I had to start from the bottom as I was working in the Warehouse but working with the very BEST co-workers as for one worker Frank Baker(RIP) he told me that any camera will do the job right as it is a tool to visual use to Capture the Image.. As also working at the camera store that we did had a person sales person that was like you, but he had his own display case, knew about Lecia from a to Z, as I wanted to hold one of them, and he would not let me, instead he would polished the camera bodies, clean the lenses, and you would never seen a person loving the camera, - well things got worst that one morning I seen him ripping one of the photo magazines back cover as it shown of a another camera store selling the M series line less than we were were selling, and got us in hot water that the magazine was ready to sued the us, but we had to get rid of him he was bad luck. And yes I did get Leica reading material for my self, and reading it from cover to cover, but also read the history of Nikon, and Canon, and Hasselblad, and Graflex, and Rollei, and on and on until I was walking Encyclopedia of photography. You see I have 1500+ photography books in my collection, and to tell you I'm not Geek, I rather do my photography in whatever CAMERA I am using...
After that with my Co-workers my teachers, my family my best friends I say Thank You, and missed you guys, Got That Leica Guy as the Camera is to capture the Image - repeat THE IMAGE. The Lecia - It is not a Sex toy or a Chick Magnet in which I have seen them at the Leica gallery in San Francisco.The M series model is a camera, and tool - as My co-workers have shown me the works of Robert Frank, Gene Smith, Ansel Adams, Cole Weston in which I got to meet, and served him, Yousuf Karsh, Jim Marshall, Herman Leonard, Jack Welpott, Linda Connor, and Joe Rosenthal in which he was living in Marin County as he use a 4X5 Graflex as to others, as they I seen their work as to Jim Marshall (RIP) He would show up to see us, and by 20 rolls of TX for a shoot, and seeing his Leica all Brassy in which that is Dedication to his work if he seen you that you be shitting in your pants. Sorry. And that I do have a Leica Its a IID OK, and And as Scotty would say: "Are You Daft Man" - As I would Never Get rid of my Rangefinders Babies OK, I'm Keeping them as in 2005, and 2006 I took my Canon 7, and my Contax II with me to Japan, and in the Philippines in 2008, and had the best time shooting with my children, yea I call my cameras my children to the 110 format that I heavily use it in high school for candids but I did use 35mm Rangefinder in High School to medium then to large Format OK, I cannot stand people who talk, eat, and sleep with their Leicas, and I have seen documentaries of the camera on DW-TV, and NHK-World of photographers that talk about the Images, not the camera the IMAGES as these are the true shooters, I do not not know about you? But remember in what Fame Photographer Edward Steichen said: "No Photographer Is As Good As The Simplest Camera" I rather see another You Tuber page called "Analog Insights" that yes he sometimes demo the Leitz models, but he also demo's ALL CAMERAS and LENSES with SHOWING NO EGO.. Bye. Oh it's time to watch Dark Shadows on the Decades Channel. Great Series - See Ya....
Alex Carrillo hi Alex, thanks for your thoughts. Yes my blog name (and now UA-cam name) is probably a little misleading. I can see you’ve not visiting the blog or seen other videos as you are not aware that I use any camera. I have over 50 film cameras in all formats and only maybe 1/5 are Leicas. I don’t polish or have glass cabinets. I’m a user. I’m just as happy with my £50 Soviet rangefinder as a Leica body for most photos but yes for some lenses I need certain camera bodies. I have 5 35mm Nikons, MF, LF. They will all be mentioned in time on the channel but I’ve only just started so it will take time. You won’t find someone more passionate about their photography so maybe stop by again in 6 months and re-evaluate. You’ll see the I’m passionate about whatever camera I talk about (see the Rolleiflex video as a great example). And to answer your original question. Should you sell all your cameras and buy a Leica. No. You will only miss them and buy again. Buy a Leica in addition as an investment if you had the funds maybe but if not no as multiple cameras offer much more variety. I have a similar Canon RF btw. All the best. Matt
Matt Osborne damn I read all that
Which film do you recommend for a digital shooter? I am looking to get one and only one meaning that I am not planning to upgrade later.
Film or film camera? Film - B&W or colour, Camera - rangefinder or SLR? :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom rangefinder camera film
@@mahdiali6732 modern film scans well and can look more digital. Try Kodak TMax 100 and 400.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I may have not made my self clear. I want to buy a rangefinder film camera and not the film roll. I am looking for a recommendation fro you.
@@mahdiali6732 ah ok sorry. If you say buy once then get Leica not a Voigtlander to be safe. If want light meter look at M6 or MP. If happy without get M2 for 35mm, M3 for 50mm and m4P I use for 28mm. It depends what lenses you use and other factors. Message me on Patreon (link under video) if want me to talk you through it detail for your personal needs.
hi i have a leica m4p , can you suggest me a cheap flash
Yes! See my flash for Leica video I did this year. Don't get a full size 4 AA flash they are too big on a Leica.
Can you only sync a Flash at 1/60s on the them? No faster speed?
All Leica M film cameras are 1/50 sadly. That's why I use Voigtlander Bessa too as they are 1/125.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom that´what i thought, getting a Bessa R2 would be better because i love isolating stuff with the flash, yes if i had the money i would get a Leica too
@@CasnioMiCasio Yes Leica are great for available light / long term investment. I've do a video on my Bessa R2C when I get chance :)
Can you make some video about leica m7 please
Hi, yes I will if I get one to test!
qwq Sir Matt don't scare me XD
Sorry! :)
You should revisit these reviews and cameras now that you are even more charismatic and have more cameras to compare them against. If the rest of your audience is anything like me, you could remake every video and I would watch them all again. Lol
Thanks Sean, very kind! Yes I do need to remake the M camera vids as a minimum for sure. Thanks for the push and your kind words!
1. M4-P
2. M2
3. M3
4. M6
Fjäll nice! 👍🏻
I cant decide between M4P and M2.
M2 for build/ finder/35mm lenses/ without flash. M4-P for 28mm/75mm/flash.. I use both
HEY GIVE ME ONE LEICA HUHUHU THAT'S MY DREAM FILM CAMERA
See my videos on Leica iii cameras. Even nicer built and much cheaper! :)
Most M4-Ps are brass
Thanks Daniel
I hated my M6, for its crappy lightmeter and its devouring batteries, plus putting in the film was a drag.
What did you get instead? M2/M3?
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Sorry for my late reply. No, I bought a R6 with a Elmarit 28-70 zoom (latest model, and very nice!). I got a Leica lllA from my father when I was 15, used it for many years, and because of my wildlife photography, I bought Leicaflexes. The viewfinder of the SL is the brightest on the analogue market. Back to the M6. You write on your site that the film got jammed in your M6 after some 25 exposures. I had exactly the same problem. The fact is, in the M6 (and other models as well?) the film is not only pulled by the right sprocket but also pushed by the one on the left side. I think that that must be the problem. If the "speed" of both sprockets in not the same, the film gets stuck. That is why I sold the M6, together with the cumbersome film loading and the crappy lightmeter and the battery life. My truest love is and remains my Leica lllA. Thanks for your videos and all the info on your site, you're doing a great job!
@@leslumieres1237 thanks Les! I’m not sure if you follow me on social media but I just got an R6 to go with my SL. I like the SL build but I find the R6 much easier to use. I went for the 35-70mm f4 after the amazing write up by Erwin Puts “Sharper than Lux & Crons at f4”
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks! Beautiful camera the R6, and I saw your review. Your zoom is really excellent, but very expensive. The latest model of the 28-70 zoom is absolutely wortwhile though!
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom hmm, Erwin Puts, a lot of verbatim, no pictures.
In this review I see:
A black background.
A black shirt
A pair of black dancing Leicas
Two huge white hands
A big white head
It scares me.
Can you change your garderobe?
Brighten the background
Put the cameras on a green horizonless undergroundPlus softlight from the rightside, so I can enjoy the shapes
Like I enjoy your models.
Thanks Jaco! So it’s one of my first videos of the 240+ I’ve made
No hard feelings, Matt.
Do not put a japenese speedlight on a german Leica camera, please.
Metz and BrAun are / were the brands to use.
A BrAun F65; the flash head in the shoe and the NC-generarator
at a strap over your shoulder. If you like with a Twin flash head.
A Metz 402 the flash with bracket connected to the Leica
and the generater ( NiCad or Pb ) over your shoulder.
Guide number 56 at 100 ASA at 5 meter >> f/11.
Sorry, I am getting old, can not stop telling the joy of the Sixties.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
Leica ... for 3 real photographers and 2B old white guys that are rich.
I think for current prices yes you need to make savings elsewhere or have money I think. I went for cameras rather than a house , tv and heating :)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom lol, you and me too, my love.
@@pinkeye00 it’s all about priorities! 😁😆
Nonsense, I bought all my Leicas secondhand. Yesterday I saw a sublime R4 at EUR. 215,-!
Oscar Barnack was "white" too.
Do not put a japenese speedlight on a german Leica camera, please.
Metz and BrAun are / were the brands to use.
A BrAun F65; the flash head in the shoe and the NC-generarator
at a strap over your shoulder. If you like with a Twin flash head.
A Metz 402 the flash with bracket connected to the Leica
and the generater ( NiCad or Pb ) over your shoulder.
Guide number 56 at 100 ASA at 5 meter >> f/11.
Sorry, I am getting old, can not stop telling the joy of the Sixties.
Thanks Jaco!
What?!? 🤡 go to bed old man. Stop embarrassing yourself. 🤡
Crap !
Haha thanks Jaco!