TALARIA vs SUR RON // 2022 OFFICIAL Guide
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- A detailed comparison between the 2022 Talaria Sting and the 2022 Sur Ron X Black Edition to help you make an informed purchase.
I compare and give points for:
- ergonomics
- throttle
- horn
- brakes
- wheels
- frame
- swingarm
- drivetrain
- seat
- display
- battery
- motor
- suspension
- lights
- size
- clearance
- throttle curve
- speed
- rideability
- wheelie ability
Both bikes are fantastic and many of the points in this video are SUBJECTIVE. If you disagree, kindly let me know in the comments!
This video was filmed at BikeCraze in Anaheim CA where you can buy either of these bikes with $50 using code "SURRONSTER"
My Sur Ron:
- Controller: @E-Moto Bros ASI BAC4000 emotobros.com/
- Battery: 72v 32ah battery recommend as of 2022 to purchase from Chi Batteries ✅ 5% off with code "SURRONSTER" ✅ chibatterysystems.com/?ref=SU...
- All parts listed here • My Sur Ron UPGRADES *...
Theme Song: On My Own - Kyle The Hooligan
0:00 Intro
0:31 Features
6:15 Price
6:42 Measurements
7:41 Talaria Test
9:37 Sur Ron Test
11:07 Conclusion
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I like how you did an objective review and let the viewer see the differences and similarities between both bikes instead of trying to see which was best overall - it's cool that we have the variety of bikes to pick whichever fits our needs the best 💯
Agreed, he was so considerate about everything
You guys are funny. Unless your serious, then I'm sure your paid off too....
Very well done, dude. Doing big things with the review. Great job.
I've found u yesterday and I CAN'T STOP WATCHING YOURE VIDEOS!!!
Thats probably bc u want a surron or talaria (and he has great content), cuz thats why I watch his videos
i just started watching you videos a week ago and now your the only youtuber i wanna watch
That Lancer EVO X on 8:07 looks amazing 😍👌
Such a great review of 2 bikes that are so close in nature, thanks!!
As someone who has owned both bikes I can 100% say the surron is way better, the only thing I do prefer on the talaria is how much more the battery lasts and how your legs hug the bike more
im tryna decide to get either talaria or surron but idk
No way 😂😂 Talarias way better g had both and Surron sounded rattly, not as much power, uncomfortable, not as wider arches for bigger wheels, not got a 2 in 1 plug, Talaria looks nicer aswell 😂
That was a legitimate review. Thanks so much! Also, the Sur Ron had me at wheelies better.
Had an option to buy either one and went with surron then seen this video afterwards and it validated my choice 💨💨🔥🔥 thanks for the vid drop look forward to more!!
@Rabbi Kikenstein got it when it was $4,200.. key word “was” lol
Great video bro! My Talaria comes in towards the end of the month.
love the side by side comparison very good idea
I went Sur Ron x my next upgrade is 17 in wheels . . These are more fun due to how many upgrade options available. 45 mph right out of the box very little needed to do 73mph top end with the same motor. Bike weight 105
Best vid for someone who is new in the e-bike world
10 days ago i commented that you need to make this video at would you look at that! Great video dude much love was stoked for this video!
What about weight, one of the most important measurements for off-road riders? The Talaria is over 25 pounds heavier than the Sur-Ron, and that weight negates a good bit of the Talaria battery's extra amp hours, making the battery comparison much closer. Also, you said that the Sur-Ron was "thinner" and "more nimble," which should be another point since this is an important consideration for off-road riding.
You nailed it man!… After talking to a couple of talaria owners who also owned Surron’s, I heard back that with the upgraded Gladiator Chi battery 60V/60Ah… The total new weight on the SurRon goes from 110 to 125 pounds… However the talaria comes in at 138 pounds STOCK. That’s a huge dealbreaker for me personally. Hope this information helps!🙏🙌
My KTM 380cc 2 stroke weight is 300lbs. I guess some of us know how to throw around a bike sp 25lbs don't make a difference. That's like the weight of my poop
My point exactly: I wouldn't want to ride my Sur-Ron while carrying your poop.
Stock Talaria is 135 pounds measured here ua-cam.com/users/shortsqcHAK3mB_1Y
@@josephfreeman5289 i agree, many people who are Looking to buy a sur ron have the road bicycle gang mentality when it comes to the weight so it shouldnt come out as a surprise
Talaria looks like it can actually take a beating while sur ron looks cool and all but has thay "toy aura" around it, at least in my experience.
Been waiting for this video to drop
The turn radius is much wider on the Talaria, and it has suspension linkage play issue and most important motor overheating issues (code E42).
Damn! Wow that’s not good!
Let's go brother! Great VID again!
Nice to see your comparison video, I have owned SURRON for 5 years and the Light Bee is a trusted product. I am happy to have it.
TALARIA also looks good because it copied the SURRON concept, but the frame with the modified shape doesn't seem to have the simple design aesthetic of SURRON's frame. This bike design by SURRON is their concept from 7 years ago, shame on Talaria now in 2022 to replicate the concept of SURRON 7 years ago. There's always a bit of a knockoff feel to it.
From China, there may be 10 or 100 factories replicas like Talaria‘s way in the future. SURRON is always original. The Light Bee model is SURRON, but SURRON does not only have Light Bee. Having competition is a good thing for consumers and may speed up the progress of SURRON's new generation of products.
Talaria were allowed to copy the bike a bit though cuz the guy in charge of Talaria was a Surron engineer
Lmao 😂 he really gave a point away even know the horns are identical😂
Literally the exact same horn 😂😂
What are you smoking?
Most definitely not the same
@@mikkelkirketerp4884 Brother. Its the exact same generic horn. What are you smoking? I’m a multi-instrumentalist and I can assure you they are the exact same tone and pitch. Maybe you’re tone deaf?
@@gabrielbanna6725 i feel bad for you then.
You can clearly hear that they don't sound exactly the same.
😭😭 My brother in christ. You realize these bike companies buy a lot of their parts from the same manufacturers right? Or are you just naive? Ronster literally says “we’re looking at the same brakes, handlebars, front wheels, rotors, headlights, key ignition. The forks are random and you could get either set on either bike. So why tf would they then go through the trouble of getting a unique HORN of all things. 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️. They sound exactly the same. The Talaria was only a hair louder, but that could’ve just been due to how hard he pressed each of them.
YOUR VIDS ARE AWSOME WATCH THEM ALL THE TIME YOUR AWSOME🔥💯
love watching your vids and see you growing
BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!! Let’s goooooo
I AM A HUGE FAN I LOVE WATCHING YOUR VIDS KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK
Man thank u Im gonna do a build on my sur Ron coming in next week
Biggest fan Powamoto in the house so I brought all these thumbs ups for ya 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🔥🚀
Was the controller updated on the Talaria for the throttle map?
Not sure they're updating them at the factory but I know vendors like ebikezilla are updating the controllers to correct the throttle before shipping.
Hi love your vids i just started watching You and im addicted
gotta say as a sur ron owner i love the look of the talaria and kind of want to buy one (or atleast buy the frame and swap everything over if possible), slight change in the frame design looks beautiful and battery cover minimizing all the exposed area to the top of the battery. battery cable is a great idea but with the sur ron being a somewhat popular ebike to mod and already having a wide selection of custom batteries, not being able to use my 72v battery in it is a deal breaker because of the connector. :(
same
Can’t you just swap connections
@@epicskidude3129 if the cable harness is the same as the sur rons then it would be possible to just use the harness from the sur ron to swap that cable. Seeing as its a different motor i'd assume they might also be using a different harness with different connections there as well. I wouldn't trust myself soldering a new connector on it with the amount of power going through them, don't want a flame throwing timebomb between my legs if I were to mess up and not know about it until its too late.
just cut and redo the connectors
@@Thrillowatt nice
Lol ya not biased at all , the name of the channel has Sur Ron in it . Talaria wins hands down.
Hello i am from Danmark and i have seen tour vids in 2 days and i love your videos ;D
Sur ron always wins!!
Surron or RCR for street riding only?
Having one of these would be so cool I have always wanted one
Great review! Thank you very much for it. Just a side note the power increase significantly on the Talaria after 4-5 battery cycles. Also, the OEM gearing as you tried (44T) is a little bit taller than Sur-Ron. With the equivalent sprocket ratio the peak power of the Talaria is higher from 0-30 but over this speed the Sur-Ron have a little bit more snap we agree especially on throttle response.
I thought mine was feeling a lil quicker after a few cycles ;)
Psttt.. ninja ship my Talaria. I won't tell anyone 🙂
Can you say this in a way I can understand 🤣 I didn't want to get a Talaria because of the snap, but if it goes away then I still am down to get it.
@@OregonMotorcycle I looked your videos and i am 99% sure your bike have the old programmation. You should confirm with your dealer because the update we did improve it a lot. All the 2021 need to be reprogrammed by the dealer (look if you have N or M in your VIN (M =2021 and N = 2022). You can send us your controller if you want and we will dot the update for you. I am even sure the Talaria in this video is not updated too otherwise you wouldn't see much difference with the Sur-Ron. It would be more snappy from 0-20 and then very similar but we all agree here that at high speed the Talaria have a little bit less throttle response.
@@ebikezilla1383 Will the acceleration curve of the Talaria be reprogrammed soon as well, to match more the Surron curve? Currently as Surronster says it's very snappy at the beginning, but after that it loses that snap real quick.
Bro I know you love Sur Ron but, you are the best e-bike youtuber out there , I'd love if you started racing other e-bikes as a mean to compare them to the Sur Ron and not only e mountain bike but other type of e-bikes. That would help a lot of ppl like me who are undecisive on certain models . There is not enough of unbias review out there . other then that love your content bro keep it going.
Good job dude. Yeah, the throttle curve is crazy. I was doing a wheelie out of every turn on that race Sunday
Can you tell us more about the overheating issues of the TALARIA in the Hawaii Endurofest?
change the egar ratio in settings goofy
Very fair comparison utilizing the point 👉👈👇👏👍system
What I’ve been waiting for!
Hey suronster you have been the most entertaining UA-camr I have watched in a long time you inspired me to buy a sur Ron and I have been driving myself crazed waiting for it to get here thanks👍 also what type of helmet do you use and where did you purchase you sur Ron battery as I want to upgrade mine when it gets here
These are all things I’m wandering to !! How can you get the Sur Ron to go 60 in 4 secs !?!?
To fix the throttle curve problem you need to go in the settings and change the gear ratio to what you like.
Ohh cool, so is there like an iPhone app then?
@@joshuaedwards3522 Nope. its on the bike itself.
@@joshuaedwards3522 have you ridden the surron?
If so which would your prefer? I was about to choose the surron just because he was experiencing poor throttle response so thank you
@@Westo_ire Go with surron, all in all, only go with Talaria if you are super tall really. If not Surron is the way to go, BUT. Can't go wrong with either.
i have a question would the sur ron be good for a 6ft rider?
and i love your vids bro keep it up
With the racespec seat on surron you can sit right on top of the battery cover
I’m confused at what models are new and what’s outdated. I just watched a video from 3 mo. ago on surron models and they listed the LBX, ultra bee, and storm bee F. They made no mention of the surron x.
All of my buddies have tried both and we all like the surron more. Smoother power, the bike frame is better and makes you feel in complete control. Better suspension and it feels lighter too
i agree
“Smoother” power isn’t really a plus, it’s basically saying less power
I've heard that the bike frame has more flex on the Sur Ron? How exactly is the suspension better?
@@SurRonsterbest place to get a Sutton?
I want one doesn't matter which both look gorgeous.
I just placed an order with Luna Cycle for a Sur Ron X. I made sure to give you a shout out in my emails with Luna! I’ve been searching for a fun outdoor hobby and the UA-cam algorithm gods pulled through. Cheers!
I'm trying to get one hopefully I can pay one of I'm so in love with these bikes 🏍
I’m in need of one of these rn in my life
Suronster in the A lets goooo, pulling up to bike craze soon!
it would be nice if you could make a new video on the Talaria. Also because the problem of jerky acceleration you say was present only on some of the first models sent to America
Hey Awesome video! Do you have like a promo code or discount for when buying at the bike shop?
Hopefully a larger rear sprocket on the Talaria will help give it more mid range. I was under the impression Talaria had a 48 tooth sprocket like the Sur-Ron but it came with a 44 tooth. I have a Warp9 52 tooth I will be installing. My heart sank a little when you said it was hard to wheelie, isn't that a big factor in why we buy these things? I've seen Sur-Rons bashed beyond belief and still going strong. The Talaria has a lot to live up to.
Can I ask how tall is the seat height and does it go down a lot for like someone 150lbs? I been binging on your vids I saw your vid saying it goes up to 80mph and I am floored, thats highway speeds. Does it go 50-60 supermoto tires ok without overheating? What range does it get with the 72v battery you are using?
Can the throttle curve be adjusted later theoretically?
Best comparo I've seen on these 2 bikes. As a new Sur Ron owner, I have no complaints and no desire to get something else. Such a great value......my cousin recently purchased a E-MTB with 250 watt pedal assist for over $5000 used.
How fast is it, range?
@@jlove24 I had in my shop the Turbo LEVO SL 240watts €7,000 one of the best EMTB of 2022. Pedal assisted Max speed is 25kph, range depends of body size and what mode you use. Most of my guests used turbo, Off road in the alps with some steep climbs range was about 20km for them some got longer out of it, I think max range is about 40km if you use the modes correctly.. These bikes are not designed to cover 100km the whole point of the Ebike is you have the battery there to help you when you are tired or steep part of the trail comes along and you are not fit enough top get up on your own power. Most of my guests would need the SUR RON to get them around the trails lmao.
Only thing that matters to riders will be wheelies , how many miles you can take it , how fast it goes , and how well it does two tracking !
I agree with the throttle, its pretty jerky on sport mode but with this vid I chose the talaria. its been really fun so far.
what are laws to be aware of with this ebike? license required?
@@joseandrade6727 it’s in the gray area for now. no license or registration because it’s an electric bike. surron and talaria can be equipped with a pedal kit which makes it a bicycle with “pedal assist”. I ride on the streets 53-45mph mostly and never been bothered by the cops.
@@ayeketchup how old are you? I’m 13 so like should I get one or wait till I’m like 15 or older?
@@yoo-12 16
Hey man good video :)
Very nicely detailed review. Can anyone elaborate more on the Sur-Ron belt-drive or gear box problems. This is the first I've heard of it.
No problem with Sur Ron belts at all. It's a bit noisier, which I like, that whine sound. And it will need replacing after 2 or 3 years. Really..its not an issue as it's easy to change one. My Sur Ron is fantastic and I just published my Top 7 Mods video.
i had the same complaint about the touchiness of the talaria but keeping it in eco helps with that when off roading but street use sport is fine
Definitely love my Segway x260 black addition, but never rode the talaria bike yet but i can say looks make a difference and i love the look of the Segway x260 and wheelies?..yes segaway is good for that too
Loe your vids and reviews. I'm new to this stuff and noticed the Segway version looks identical to the Surron, is it the same bike?
hi, sur ronster has video on segway vs sur ron i think, try looking on his channel , hope i helped
That was a really phat in depth review my dude, still can't afford neither :D
do a full in depth review of the talaria string
Its almost like the fun parts of a fast electric bike goes to sur ron and that gets traded with better smaller features with talaria, and if anyone is getting a bike like this its to have a ton of fun and to have that upgradability/ Sur ron foe the win!
Love the videos, I can't afford a sur ron or talaria but I do have a ebike, so I love the videos regardless.
Well if your Bit of Coin takes off I'm sure you will one day ;)
Build one, buy the parts one at a time... Ali express has some nice frames, I built a 2 wheel drive ebike with 7kw of power and I stayed on the low end for controllers and battery voltage 48v..... however I did build a custom battery pack with Samsung 40T cells so i could fit 2 batteries inside the frame... with a discharge of 175 amps each... over 300 amps total discharge capable... ^^ 20 amp hours each... if your going to run Motorcycle tires, Shinko 520 series are nice.
@@larrymacdonald4241 175A@ 48V is quite pointless tho.
I have a Prodeco Outlaw, but now I want a SurRon...
I never even knew that headsets could have spacers on the bottom ,idk how that works with the bearing races , and the bottom is where all the leverage from the front wheel stoping is going to expend the most force like a crowbar
If you had to do it all over again which one
would you prefer for off road playing in the dirt
It's literally my dream to get this bike. I'm going to work hard to get this one.
When does the sur ron come out?
im still gona go for the Surron, they have it in my city a year ago and i cant wait to get it this spring or summer
you won't regret it
@@44Bailout 😎
@@GaelLazerYT bruh buy talaria
@@nuclear9977 I don't know if thats okay in my city or the roads
@@nuclear9977 and that 10k no ty
Funny I never ran into you there,I was there almost daily making pick ups at the end of the driveway/alley in a yellow semi truck..HUB HAS IT to be exact.saw my 1st surron at bike craze..broke down for repairs tho,but it's the shit
Bike muito top legal gostei muito da sur ron ✌️🇧🇷🇧🇷
The headset spacer gives the Talaria a slightly slacker fork angle and taller stack. It isn't significant on an electric dirt bike unless you are very experienced with electric dirtbikes, but on a mountain bike it is a noticeable difference. Can the spacer be moved to the top to change the geometry? I'm very familiar with mountain bike geometry, but not dirt bikes. So when I look at the dirtbikes, the angle that would be called the headtube angle, looks pretty steep. around 66 degrees is the sweet spot for a trail bike, but on something more robust like a dirtbike, I imagine it would feel twitchy.
We need to get a Surron crew out together in the Midwest! Going to get one ordered soon before they’re all gone!
I’m in Iowa where are you at
Michigan here. Talaria ordered last week.
Coming out of Oregon with my Talaria 😊👊
I’m in Wisconsin planning on buying one this spring.
Midwest channel in Indiana coming soon , but I’m actually a skateboarder and crazy athletic , adrenaline junkie !! So you gunna seee a diff side of how to ride a E bike :p haha 😛 Lego with the work I do - goals to start making 5-10grand a week so only a matter of time before I get one !!! 🤠🌞🎒📦🙌🏻👍🏻🤙🏻❤️🔥😛👋🏻👍🏻🤙🏻 I need to figure out , how I can get a sur ron that goes 60 or above mph or how to modify it though ! I need more than 45mph …. I think 😝 I know there’s a ebike coming or out after the light bee but idk if I like that look , if I saw it right it looked more like a dirt bike and not it’s own machine
The real point here is that you could get either, both are great.
I like the surron mph gauge better, if you crash it’s more slim to the frame and isn’t sticking out, just bought a surron!
Great video dude. I just got an emotobros controller for my Ron. I'm trying to decide on a battery now. How much of a difference power wise out of a 72v 38ah compared to 60v 60ah ? Anyone know?
Say you are pulling 100amps of current. The 72v battery is going to produce 7200 watts (9.65hp) and the 60v battery is going to produce 6000w (8.05hp).....BUT the 60v 60ah battery is going to have 3,600 watt hours of capacity vs. The 72v 38ah which will have 2,736 watt hours of capacity...which is considerably less capacity. If range is not a concern for you use case, and power is, then go for the 72v pack. Conclusion: 72v will result in more power, torque, acceleration, probably higher top speed as well. The 60v pack will have more range.
I charge my battery with it in the bike in my garage, should I be opening up the cover and turning off the breaker switch when I charge it or is it OK to just plugging in charge with the breaker on?
how long it will take to charge each bike? and mileage forbeach songle charge? and do we have extra battery which we can carry and replace when necessary
Sur Ron really need to update the Light Bee. More power, better battery, wider swingarm, battery plug, improved Jack shaft/design or gearbox would be great to see. But will they EVER update it?!
Is Sur Ron going to do an updated bike feels like they haven't changed much in ages has there been any news?
Surron is the og. Talaria designer look at surron and improve everything they can. Surron lbx has good run for all these years and inspire bikes like talaria to exists and compete in the same price bracket. That alone worth lots of points to surron lbx imo 😝
Can you change how snappy the throttle is on the talaria? So it’s easier to do wheelies like the suron
Love u from CAMBODIA bro 🇰🇭 ❤🥰
I'd get the Talaria only because the horn sounds better. :-p
i mean fair enough
I will take talaria cause it is taller
every video u make it makes me want to buy one so bad T-T
"much gripper grips" ... subscribed
Thanks mate
Hi sir, I have some questions, with suron do i need a driver license? Helmet? And license plate? And being a bicycle and not a motorcycle can i go (legally) on the grass like you did before? In my city with bicycle it's pretty freedom I can go even on sidewalk or in the wrong direction but with motorcycle obviously i can't
drop the regen mode, it’ll wheelie. brake sensor mod works too.
You should do a comparison vs the Falcon3k, Falcon5k or Falcon8k 🔥😊👍
nice review!
How is it for a tall guy, 260 pounds?
🔥🔥🔥
Watching this vid has inspired me to get a helmet...and a Sur ron.
You gotta take the point off for the horn
Comparison for seat comfort would of been nice. I know the Sur Ron has a fairly hard seat. How is the Talaria's seat?
My talaria seat is so comfy I can ride for hours and still feel comfortable
Seems like not sure tho have ya got lever point suspension on the surron not sure about the talaria
I don't ride anything, but this is honestly a really fucking good comparison vid
If I was considering one of these bikes as a purchase this video would be the best lol
what website would you recommend ordering a Talaria or Sur ron X
Surron all the way !! As you know !!
As a lot of things you mentioned, like grips, you can upgrade easy 😉 also surron is mad ass all the way
Great video cheers buddy:)