@@yukitadano5098 Here's my fit. It's more than twice as expensive and also does much less DPS. I would not recommend, but if you want a fit that can do it then here it is. [Osprey Navy Issue, C3 Ratting Passive Tank] Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Pithum B-Type EM Shield Amplifier Pithum A-Type Thermal Shield Amplifier Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Hobgoblin II x5
J space best space. My corp got bullied out by frat so we moved to null while searching for a new home. We just got a new astra anchored in a new hole yesterday morning and man is it good to be back. Made almost 2 bil yesterday from gas and some combat sites.
On the simulated fitting window for drones, just tap the boxes with the X in them to de-select which drones you are sending, then you can tap the other drones. So it can show what your DPS is with the right set up. You don’t have to just leave it on the automatically simulating 3 ogres
@@captainbenzie after watching your videos over the past couple months I’ve come to appreciate how knowledgeable you are on different ships, and how willing you are to try things. Thanks for being such an enjoyable person to listen to!
The thing that makes the VNI so good is that armor rep bonus that lets you tank through an unreasonable amount of damage. The Ishtar is a bit of a glass cannon by comparison , in PVP the ADC is great but for PvE a short burst of tank isn't what you need you need sustained tank which the Ishtar has no bonus to, the Ishtar's specialty is battleship damage on a cruiser which is great but doesn't help you survive being swarmed by rats.
THANK YOU. Someone who understands that the Ishtar isn't just a BETTER VNI 😂 It's also subtle, but for situations where drone aggro is an issue, the Ishtar doesn't generate much aggro itself whereas the VNI does. This also really helps the VNI by keeping the drones alive.
@@captainbenzieya they are not the same at all, the Ishtar wants to either kite or snipe the VNI wants to use that massive tank and just bulldozer right through the fight and brawl.
I recently made a fit almost identical to this a few weeks ago and tried a double wave in a c3 site , it tanked it so well . My skills are not great for it, so it was super slow, but I love the vni now ! Working on my damage skills now
I had to train 'armor rigging' to 5 to get the powergrid happy with this fit. Thank goodness for (large) skill injectors. Looking forward to trying out my VNI in a C3 where my Drake was not able to cut it. Thanks Cap'n! :)
awesome vid, thanks mate - our small jspace corp lives in a C3 and been running the combat sites with your Munnin fit - now that Vexor NI is going to be a huge game changer. I noticed you using a booster - what booster is that, if you dont mind me asking ? See you out there (or better not ? lol )
Hey i love your videos i run Gallente alot i absolutely love drone boats. I do have a question for you, what implants or set are you running ehile doing this video and do you change implant sets via jump cloning per different ship? Thanks.
None, in this video at all! It's rare for me to use implants since I shift ships so much, but I do have a Skill Clone and a clone I use for my Vagabond, but that's it!
When I first started C3 ratting I used a praxis because it was the biggest toughest looking ship I could afford at the time. Then about a year later I found out and alpha character with a gila could sig tank the sites. Now there's an even cheaper way!? Looks cool, I'll be trying that in the next c3 I find
So just a quick comment. I run into Clone Soldiers all the time and today I took this exact build and took one on. The outcome: I dusted his grill and shined my gun barrels on his forehead, he never was able to put solid ticks on my armor and he went down very fast. Great fit, great channel and thank you.
Imagine the hubris of someone sitting and watching the video of someone doing something successfully and saying "you're doing it wrong!!1!" (with regards to the adaptive hardener)
Never told us what the cap rig was, and in the beginning, you were not displaying the health of your drones. That said, nicely done, and good job from you, and the original designer, of lowering the C3 bar. Can’t wait to see the Ishtar that this new thought leads you to. Cheers!
How is it compared to good old praxis? I mean i rat c3 last time long long time ago and this days i cant even remember how is profit in it. If i remember well it was something like 160kk with praxis, right? And this boat even slower, so its more like 3 sites\hour which equal 120kk. am i right?
I just can’t bring myself to fly armour tank ships… I know it’s daft because some ships are designed to be armour tanked, but it freaks me out to see the shields in the red….it feels like a whole layer of protection has just been bypassed. It’s something I need to get past because it severely restricts the number and type of ships I feel comfortable flying to only active shield tanked ships. I love active shield tanking, but still, it would be nice to try some armour tanked ships if I could get past freaking out at seeing the shields go into red and immediately warping out! 🤦♂️😂
You can change the "alert" settings too so that it doesn't make that screeching noise when you lose shields. But I used to be the same. Exposure helps!!
@@captainbenzie Thanks for that tip; I had no idea that I could change the shield notifications…I’ve only been playing since 2011 so I’m a complete noob 🤦♂️😂
Out of curiosity why couldent u make this style work with an Izhtar? Did u go full drone dmg and no blasters on the Izhtar or what. I cant se survivability being the problem as it has better base resistances then the VNI and if u did the same tactic with pulling the drones in while traveling to a new target i dont se what the problem could have been.
The simple issue with the Ishtar is that it has no way to keep Sleepers from aggroing your drones, which they do AGGRESSIVELY. You're defanged early or constantly returning drones and relaunching. The VNI holds aggro off the drones significantly better. It's a unique issue with J-Space
Heads up, when you get a tooltip from a loaded weapon like that, the Falloff range shown is actually precalculated to already show the sum of your Optimal Range and the Accuracy Falloff so you don't want to add them together yourself.
@@captainbenzie Yup, I was just pointing it out because in this video you didn't do that, you added the falloff to the optimal and that gives you the wrong number. At 5:55 your tooltip says optimal 2,813 and falloff 5,313 (which would make the "theoretical maximum" 7,813). You say you have "an optimal range of nearly 3km and a falloff out to essentially 8, before eventually falling off completely by about 13km". Then at 6:18 your tooltip shows 5,250 optimal, 12,000 falloff (so a "theoretical maximum" of 18,750) and you state "an optimal range of 5km, a falloff of 12, which means we're hitting at 50% dps at 17km and we can theoretically hit all the way out to 29km". Do you see how the ranges you gave in your video are incorrect?
I set a corp I was in up to run these in attack battlecrusiers with a webbing ship as the target caller, you don't make a lot of money (for the SP involved it's more than a lot of other things though) but it's pretty funny. We got to the point where our locking speed was actually the limiting factor in how much we could make. People are skittish about jumping you too because 5 or 6 ABCs do a lot of damage from very far away... 😆
Love your work Benzie. For some reason i cant fitt this fully on a clean clone. Is there any skills outside the engineering skills that can affect powergrid for this fitt. Anyone have any ideas what it culd be?
@@captainbenzieYou know you can select your actual orbit ring rather than just letting the game guess right? I haven't played for ages so I forgot what key it is but it's there somewhere.
@@memitim171 yep, I've already manually set the orbits to what I need them at. Right click the orbit button, set manual to whatever, and now whenever you hit orbit, it tries to maintain what you set. But there is no way to get the game to choose clockwise/counterclockwise or the angle of orbit in regards to your vertical plane. I even asked the Devs at Fanfest if that would ever be a thing.
I use ishtar for C3's. My fit uses a X-large C5l shield booster. That way I get more DPS out by freeing up the low slots. I can knock out about 700dps. Also I fit drone range on tops and no guns. I recently been testing out the vedmak as drone aggro can be annoying.
Do you want my C3 Osprey Navy Issue fit now, there could be a mini series of all the Navy Issue cruisers running C3 sites.
Yes please
@@yukitadano5098
Here's my fit. It's more than twice as expensive and also does much less DPS. I would not recommend, but if you want a fit that can do it then here it is.
[Osprey Navy Issue, C3 Ratting Passive Tank]
Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay
Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay
Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay
Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Pithum B-Type EM Shield Amplifier
Pithum A-Type Thermal Shield Amplifier
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Hobgoblin II x5
Cheers I'll give it a spin
Thanks! I'm flying a Vexor now and dipping my toes into WH day tripping. Been hacking so far, but want to up my combat game.
Excellent! Well here's a great option!!
J space best space. My corp got bullied out by frat so we moved to null while searching for a new home. We just got a new astra anchored in a new hole yesterday morning and man is it good to be back. Made almost 2 bil yesterday from gas and some combat sites.
just getting back into eve. Your videos are a huge help! definitely some of the highest quality eve videos out there
On the simulated fitting window for drones, just tap the boxes with the X in them to de-select which drones you are sending, then you can tap the other drones. So it can show what your DPS is with the right set up. You don’t have to just leave it on the automatically simulating 3 ogres
Oh I know but...
@@captainbenzie after watching your videos over the past couple months I’ve come to appreciate how knowledgeable you are on different ships, and how willing you are to try things. Thanks for being such an enjoyable person to listen to!
@@Epicmission48 I'm really glad you're enjoying!!
Can you make a beginners pvp guide ?
The thing that makes the VNI so good is that armor rep bonus that lets you tank through an unreasonable amount of damage. The Ishtar is a bit of a glass cannon by comparison , in PVP the ADC is great but for PvE a short burst of tank isn't what you need you need sustained tank which the Ishtar has no bonus to, the Ishtar's specialty is battleship damage on a cruiser which is great but doesn't help you survive being swarmed by rats.
THANK YOU. Someone who understands that the Ishtar isn't just a BETTER VNI 😂 It's also subtle, but for situations where drone aggro is an issue, the Ishtar doesn't generate much aggro itself whereas the VNI does. This also really helps the VNI by keeping the drones alive.
@@captainbenzieya they are not the same at all, the Ishtar wants to either kite or snipe the VNI wants to use that massive tank and just bulldozer right through the fight and brawl.
I recently made a fit almost identical to this a few weeks ago and tried a double wave in a c3 site , it tanked it so well . My skills are not great for it, so it was super slow, but I love the vni now ! Working on my damage skills now
I had to train 'armor rigging' to 5 to get the powergrid happy with this fit. Thank goodness for (large) skill injectors. Looking forward to trying out my VNI in a C3 where my Drake was not able to cut it. Thanks Cap'n! :)
Nice work!
add an auto target-er in that empty high slot and its basically my lvl 3 mission boat
Nice!
This may be what finally gets me into profitable ratting! Thanks for spreading the word
You're welcome. :)
Hows it going?
@whatta7793 great, if you ask me. :)
@@whatta7793 I quit Eve LMAO
@@jamesceroneo7
Always feels odd having a fit with no damage modules. Would probably be nice to manage to get one remote armor repairer, but nice to see.
Think this is doable in an Ishtar with high grade halos?
I've struggled with the Ishtar in C3s. The lack of hislot bonuses means it doesn't hold enemy aggro. They just rip your drones apart.
@@captainbenzie ooohh that's the difference? So you basically need the guns for DPS? Have you done this with a Deimos?
Can’t wait for the spike in c3 ratters. My tengu hungers for kilmarks
Haha, good luck and happy hunting!
awesome vid, thanks mate - our small jspace corp lives in a C3 and been running the combat sites with your Munnin fit - now that Vexor NI is going to be a huge game changer. I noticed you using a booster - what booster is that, if you dont mind me asking ? See you out there (or better not ? lol )
The only booster I'm running in this is a training one 😊
How are you navigating with this in J space? Do you have your scan ship dual boxing, have a base in the WH, have a friend lead you through?
If you're pure solo you normally scan the site out in your scanning ship and then just follow the bookmarks back from hi-sec.
make sure you save the fit as "Cheapest C3 Tangu Bait"
😂
also thanks for the explainer on reactives... super helpful to know
I did a dedicated video on them too!
looking forward to the ishtar video. i've been searching for a good fit for that ship.
Hey i love your videos i run Gallente alot i absolutely love drone boats. I do have a question for you, what implants or set are you running ehile doing this video and do you change implant sets via jump cloning per different ship? Thanks.
None, in this video at all! It's rare for me to use implants since I shift ships so much, but I do have a Skill Clone and a clone I use for my Vagabond, but that's it!
When I first started C3 ratting I used a praxis because it was the biggest toughest looking ship I could afford at the time. Then about a year later I found out and alpha character with a gila could sig tank the sites. Now there's an even cheaper way!? Looks cool, I'll be trying that in the next c3 I find
Good luck!!
Can you drop the alpha-friendly version possibly? Thank you for the content!
Glad your enjoying! With only alpha skills and fit, the VNI won't survive, sadly. 😅 You'll need a BC.
How do you navigate in J space with this?
So just a quick comment. I run into Clone Soldiers all the time and today I took this exact build and took one on. The outcome: I dusted his grill and shined my gun barrels on his forehead, he never was able to put solid ticks on my armor and he went down very fast. Great fit, great channel and thank you.
Glad to help!
This fit blows my power grid for some reason by -21.5. I'm skill level 5 on power grid and cpu management. LV 3 on Gallente Cruisers.
Also check the "Weapons Upgrades" and "Advanced Weapons Upgrades" skills.
Just finished a solar cell in a C3 just now you're the man!
Imagine the hubris of someone sitting and watching the video of someone doing something successfully and saying "you're doing it wrong!!1!" (with regards to the adaptive hardener)
Every video, mate. Every video 😂
Lol just was looking for vexxor for c3
Really enjoyed the video. This is super good advice.
Does the C3 mean like lvl 3 combat anomaly ? Or what does the c3 mean ?
C3 is a class of wormhole - wormhole systems are rated from C1-C6. Check out my full playlist 😉
Never told us what the cap rig was, and in the beginning, you were not displaying the health of your drones. That said, nicely done, and good job from you, and the original designer, of lowering the C3 bar. Can’t wait to see the Ishtar that this new thought leads you to. Cheers!
Thanks. :) I just hope this will lead to more players dipping the toes into wh space. :)
How is it compared to good old praxis?
I mean i rat c3 last time long long time ago and this days i cant even remember how is profit in it.
If i remember well it was something like 160kk with praxis, right?
And this boat even slower, so its more like 3 sites\hour which equal 120kk.
am i right?
It's similar in clear times but a much cheaper ship with lower skill requirements to get it running
@@captainbenzie humhum. i guess i need to send my corp newbies to try it, because u know this "oh i lost my praxis again, i have no more money" )))
I just can’t bring myself to fly armour tank ships… I know it’s daft because some ships are designed to be armour tanked, but it freaks me out to see the shields in the red….it feels like a whole layer of protection has just been bypassed. It’s something I need to get past because it severely restricts the number and type of ships I feel comfortable flying to only active shield tanked ships. I love active shield tanking, but still, it would be nice to try some armour tanked ships if I could get past freaking out at seeing the shields go into red and immediately warping out! 🤦♂️😂
You can change the "alert" settings too so that it doesn't make that screeching noise when you lose shields. But I used to be the same. Exposure helps!!
@@captainbenzie Thanks for that tip; I had no idea that I could change the shield notifications…I’ve only been playing since 2011 so I’m a complete noob 🤦♂️😂
Looks like it might work with an alpha account. I will give it a go.
Good luck!!
Out of curiosity why couldent u make this style work with an Izhtar? Did u go full drone dmg and no blasters on the Izhtar or what. I cant se survivability being the problem as it has better base resistances then the VNI and if u did the same tactic with pulling the drones in while traveling to a new target i dont se what the problem could have been.
The simple issue with the Ishtar is that it has no way to keep Sleepers from aggroing your drones, which they do AGGRESSIVELY. You're defanged early or constantly returning drones and relaunching.
The VNI holds aggro off the drones significantly better. It's a unique issue with J-Space
thanks! it works! ^))) 25 mins on alpha blasters and non perfect drone skills
You're welcome! Enjoy !
You don't recycle at all?
Heads up, when you get a tooltip from a loaded weapon like that, the Falloff range shown is actually precalculated to already show the sum of your Optimal Range and the Accuracy Falloff so you don't want to add them together yourself.
I know, and you can add the distance between optimal and falloff again to get theoretical maximum range. Ie 4km optimal, 10km falloff = 16 km actual
@@captainbenzie Yup, I was just pointing it out because in this video you didn't do that, you added the falloff to the optimal and that gives you the wrong number. At 5:55 your tooltip says optimal 2,813 and falloff 5,313 (which would make the "theoretical maximum" 7,813). You say you have "an optimal range of nearly 3km and a falloff out to essentially 8, before eventually falling off completely by about 13km".
Then at 6:18 your tooltip shows 5,250 optimal, 12,000 falloff (so a "theoretical maximum" of 18,750) and you state "an optimal range of 5km, a falloff of 12, which means we're hitting at 50% dps at 17km and we can theoretically hit all the way out to 29km".
Do you see how the ranges you gave in your video are incorrect?
I set a corp I was in up to run these in attack battlecrusiers with a webbing ship as the target caller, you don't make a lot of money (for the SP involved it's more than a lot of other things though) but it's pretty funny. We got to the point where our locking speed was actually the limiting factor in how much we could make. People are skittish about jumping you too because 5 or 6 ABCs do a lot of damage from very far away... 😆
Dont Reactive Armor Hardeners and Damage Control's share diminishing returns really poorly? I was always told they dont work well together
Love your work Benzie. For some reason i cant fitt this fully on a clean clone. Is there any skills outside the engineering skills that can affect powergrid for this fitt. Anyone have any ideas what it culd be?
Powergrid Management and Weapons Upgrades (& Advanced Weapons Upgrades)
All of them are at lvl 5. Culd the drawback on the armour rigs count for that 4.8 power Units i need?
I am Experiencing similar issues.
@@Spatraification
It was the armour rig skills That was the issue for me. Pumped it to 4 and it was ok.
Crazy ship! But I prefer mi laser Legion ❤ But as a new player this fit is insanely cheap.
Did you ever find an Ishtar fit? Or is that still in the works?
I THINK I managed to make an ishtar fit that should in theory work also, just never had time to test it out. :)
Why is that Loki shown in Dscan not coming after you?
Most likely a friend or alt.
It's friendly. I'm in voice com's with it
Incredible! I will do some C2s before Im comfortable with C3s. I have a Cyclone fitted and reaey for C2. Wonder if a normal Vexor can do C2s..?
I would go for this fit for c2 also, a vexor would struggle i think.
Good luck! A Vexor would likely struggle since it's bigger, slower, worse fitting stats etc
How long does it take?
15-20 minutes depending on the site
16:09 echoes is really bad about orbits as well. It never fails to have me collide with structures when scanning crates 😂smh
Yup, and the hotboxes are just BAD
Just yesterday corp ceo and I were running pve and he got stuck in the building. 4bil isk down the drain. Poor guy.
@@SnailHammer ouch
@@captainbenzieYou know you can select your actual orbit ring rather than just letting the game guess right? I haven't played for ages so I forgot what key it is but it's there somewhere.
@@memitim171 yep, I've already manually set the orbits to what I need them at. Right click the orbit button, set manual to whatever, and now whenever you hit orbit, it tries to maintain what you set. But there is no way to get the game to choose clockwise/counterclockwise or the angle of orbit in regards to your vertical plane. I even asked the Devs at Fanfest if that would ever be a thing.
I use ishtar for C3's. My fit uses a X-large C5l shield booster. That way I get more DPS out by freeing up the low slots. I can knock out about 700dps. Also I fit drone range on tops and no guns. I recently been testing out the vedmak as drone aggro can be annoying.
Drone aggro has been my biggest issue with the Ishtar
I always have problems with the power grid, never enough.
Need better fitting skills. Power grid management and the relevant rigging skills.
@@FEVB what are the rigging skills?
@@ayadal-adnani2157 I forget the exact names but it's something like armor rigging. just search for "rigging" in the skills menu
vni ftw
🚀❤️
Gallente foreva
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You can only fit one reactive armor hardener Benzie...
Yeah, I know. I'm saying that a RAH is better than a second Multispectrum (notwithstanding cap usage) due to stacking penalties.
Question what is the effect of the cap battery on neuts total?
27% and if you switch it for another small cap battery you get a stable 6,9 gj/s and 40,63% cap resist. :)
Why use the Cap control circuit I on that fit, Would the circuit II be better and make it more cap stable?
Of course. But they also cost a LOT more and aren't necessary
okay, Thank you! Was curious to help be a bit more cap stable @@captainbenzie