As a newer player and an Amarr fanboy, this video is amazing and is exactly what I've been looking for. I play with my brother who has played for years. We live in a wormhole and I'm playing catch up to get to where I feel like I actually do my part. This is perfect. Thank you
I used to use a shield buffer huginn with a nirvana pod for c3 ratting, wasn't particularly fast or isk efficient when factoriing the implants, but i already had them. Main advantage of ratting with recons is that you can't be seen on dscan, so ratting is significantly safer.
energy turrets have very small falloff, the tooltip here is confusingly adding the optimal to the falloff, you only see them separated these days on the actual show info panel for the guns. The nonsense you can do with THIS ship is a ~100k buffer tank with polarized weapons, it's a pvp monster that gets slept on.
I would love to see a Scythe Fleet Issue video. I enjoyed using it for everything from abyssal deadspace, to combat sites, to wormholes. Never was able to get it to C3, but would be interested in seeing how it handles in the hands of a more skilled pilot. Thanks for the video!
Benzie will tell you himself he’s not a very skilled pilot. He’s a very passionate pilot. If he can do it you can do it which is good cuz it makes his videos catered towards everyone! Get out and play with stuff yourself and when you find what works send it to him and see if he’ll do a video for you on it. Just like with this video, he didn’t do the research, he did the presentation!
@@captainbenzie I was never able to get it past T2 abyssals, and it barely made any money because it took 15 min. a run. It was just for fun because I liked the ship and wanted to see what I could get it to do. This is the fit I used: Scythe Fleet Issue: T2 Electrical 425mm Autocannon II x4 Small Energy Nosferatu II x1 Large Shield Booster II x1 10mn Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner x1 Copasetic Compact Shield Boost Amplifier x2 Stasis Webifier II x1 Capacitor Flux Coil II x3 Gyrostabilizer II x2 Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II x2 Medium Thermal Shield Reinforcer II x1
@@The_Intergalactic_Academy I was never able to get it past T2 abyssals, and it barely made any money because it took 15 min. a run. It was just for fun because I liked the ship and wanted to see what I could get it to do. This is the fit I used: Scythe Fleet Issue: T2 Electrical 425mm Autocannon II x4 Small Energy Nosferatu II x1 Large Shield Booster II x1 10mn Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner x1 Copasetic Compact Shield Boost Amplifier x2 Stasis Webifier II x1 Capacitor Flux Coil II x3 Gyrostabilizer II x2 Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II x2 Medium Thermal Shield Reinforcer II x1
@captainbenzie For frigs you should use multifrequecy crystals tracking is like 50% better than conflag. I also swapped to power relays better cap for armor tanks. (now fully cap stable with max skills) Added standard ammo so if you forget to check and stuff burnes out you have the unlimited lower dps ammo to fall back on. [Augoror Navy Issue, C3 Cheap] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Multispectrum Energized Membrane II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Reactive Armor Hardener Multispectrum Energized Membrane II 10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery Medium Cap Battery II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Auto Targeting System I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Acolyte II x3 Conflagration M x12 Scorch M x9 Imperial Navy Multifrequency M x6 Infrared M x3 Multifrequency M x3 Mobile Tractor Unit x1
You can drop the drones and replace them with webbing or target painting drones for better application. You could also carry Navy multispectrum crystals.
I'm watching this series to see what I can use to clear gas & mining sites. The Drake does it fairly well, but my WH chars aren't skilled into it. One of them is skilling into Hybrids for the VNI fit, I'd like to see what else I can get into, though.😁
@@captainbenzie I really enjoyed your HAC videos, but I'm learning more with these lower tier fits. Seeing how these cheaper, less skill intensive ships can run the same sites is quite educational. It's fun to see how the "Navy" version of a ship can handle something that its 'normal' counterpart can't.
Pretty much the same cost, yet more overall cap and recharge rates. Afterburner II adds 2m or so to the cost, but gives 30+m/s more, making it just a smidge bit slicker for avoiding damage. [Augoror Navy Issue, *Simulated Augoror Navy Issue Fitting] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Multispectrum Energized Membrane II Multispectrum Energized Membrane II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Reactive Armor Hardener Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery Cap Recharger II 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Pulse Laser II Heavy Pulse Laser II Heavy Pulse Laser II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Hobgoblin II x3 Scorch M x11 Conflagration M x12
he was doing fine by just flying straight away from them manually, if anything he should have just brought some multifrequency for the better tracking and it would speed things up a bit with the frigs.
On my drone boat ships if I have room I stick a small remote armor repairer on so I can repair damaged drones in the field; I wonder if that might be a nice addition here since there are high slots free in the pasted fit (I'd probably add the repairer on along with a salvager).
Trying bringing 1-3 armor and hull repping drones of you have room, and install a remote shield repper. Recall and send out spares if they've taken too much damage, then repair once out of combat.
@@captainbenzie You mentioned multifrequency crystals in the video but when you were shooting frigates you didnt said "I should have brought multifreq with me. It would have helped". Instead you talked about changing the fit to include tracking modules. So to inform everyone who dont know about the negatives of t2 crystals I made that comment
Hey Capt! Loved your VNI fit. Shout out to @The_Intergalactic_Academy. I will change the blasters to rails because I drop MTU and orbit because I'm lazy. Love your content! Keep it up! /,,/,
Navy augs with polarized guns are crazy, since energized layered membranes, the ship armor HP bonus, and amulet implants apparently don't have stacking penalties... I was able to get a max of about 69 *thousand* armor HP.
@@captainbenzie i have such bad skills that i'm not even cap stable but i deplete my capacitor in 1'55 with coils versus 3'11 with power relays so it sould be better
I think i made a stabber fit ( yes...T1 stabber, not fleet issue ) which could technically run c3 sites It was basically a LSB + cap battery + AB and hardner It was super cheap....i never actually took it out tho i think it should run the sites....i will hit u up on discord later on if i find that fit again
I know far too much about lasers and what they can do to ever call them "flashlights". Pushing interstellar arks to significant percentages of lightspeed and casually frying whole planets explains Amarrian fascination with them. =) But of course to each their own. =)
The DPS is low. It might take a long time to finish the sites. But it's interesting to see how many ships are able to finish C3 sites for solo players.
Are you playing solo? If you're solo mining Veldspar in a Venture, that's a low risk, low reward activity. If you enjoy mining, then joining a corp (especially one based in Wormholes or Nullsec) can earn you significantly more. As for this specific video, if you're ratting C3 anomalies, you can make 100m an hour easily. Yes, it requires investment, it's not a Day One activity, but once you start, the money is easy to earn.
do exy navy issue that would be sickkk, i run these alot in c2 bc my skills are low so i try to go max dps for best isk an hour and i wanna see if an exy could do it
C4 is really hard to solo effectively since the spawns are so far away from each other. As such, to run C4s players just make fleets of C3 ships. For a C5 ship, it's simply not worth the cost dropping to a C4.
My favorite Pvp ship at the moment, inhave it brick tanked and sits at 180k ehp. Dps is.not that crazy, but i can typically outlast my Foe... unless he has neuts.... lol.. then im dead
Unfortunately, as was pointed out in another recent video, I don't think the Ishtar will be able to. The VNI gets bonuses to Hybrids, so they work very well. That causes the ship itself to be enough of a threat to pull aggro off the drones. The Ishtar only has drone bonuses, which means drone damage amps are better for the highs. Drones get eaten by Sleepers, so you're defanged early. The only thing I could see working in an Ishatr is non-bonused Hybrids, which might not even do enough damage to pull agro. Range could also be an issue. Maybe implants could be used for either / both? I don't know.
@@captainbenzie@captainbenzie Damage Control II gives static resistances, and reactive armor hardener gives dynamic resistances, so why not both simultaneously? that was my point. I think your build has two low slots where one has a bit of a penalty that would not exist if one of them were a Damage Control II. If memory serves.
Sorry, but your calculations for the range are way off in this video. You seem to mistaken the total Tooltip falloff rating as the base falloff. The Tooltip includes the optimum and the falloff and your skills, it simply does the math for the player for all weapon types and skill levels to show you the 50% hit chance threshold. The Heavy Pulse Laser II base falloff is 5000m. I asume you have Trajectory Analysis 5, wich will give you 6250m of falloff. So with Conflagration at 14km you are already down to 50% hit chance. Similary with Scorch at 28km. And most times you dont hit as hard, so your average dps will be down more. You dont hit the frigs because you are out of range, not nessescarly because of tracking. But you should use scorch for tracking reasons anyway, if the frigs orbit or have a high transverse speed.
As a newer player and an Amarr fanboy, this video is amazing and is exactly what I've been looking for. I play with my brother who has played for years. We live in a wormhole and I'm playing catch up to get to where I feel like I actually do my part. This is perfect. Thank you
You guys should join us in TPups if you like wormhole life!
We're still recruiting in Catskull if you're looking for a corp!
Augoror Navy is one of my favourite ships. It's an absolute brick and dirt cheap to boot. I love that tanky bookend.
Tanky Bookend 😂
I used to use a shield buffer huginn with a nirvana pod for c3 ratting, wasn't particularly fast or isk efficient when factoriing the implants, but i already had them. Main advantage of ratting with recons is that you can't be seen on dscan, so ratting is significantly safer.
Isk friendly recon fits will most likely come. :)
energy turrets have very small falloff, the tooltip here is confusingly adding the optimal to the falloff, you only see them separated these days on the actual show info panel for the guns. The nonsense you can do with THIS ship is a ~100k buffer tank with polarized weapons, it's a pvp monster that gets slept on.
As an alpha clone with only T1 modules fit, you can easily clear 50k+ ehp with little effort and few skills. It is so very very hard to kill.
Yeah not sure why I got those confused in only this video 😅
My favorite Eve UA-camr. Thanks for putting out so much great content. 👍
My pleasure!
I would love to see a Scythe Fleet Issue video. I enjoyed using it for everything from abyssal deadspace, to combat sites, to wormholes. Never was able to get it to C3, but would be interested in seeing how it handles in the hands of a more skilled pilot. Thanks for the video!
Benzie will tell you himself he’s not a very skilled pilot. He’s a very passionate pilot. If he can do it you can do it which is good cuz it makes his videos catered towards everyone! Get out and play with stuff yourself and when you find what works send it to him and see if he’ll do a video for you on it. Just like with this video, he didn’t do the research, he did the presentation!
As below, if you can get a fit working, let me know! I'd also be keen to see how you're running it for Abyssals!
@@captainbenzie I was never able to get it past T2 abyssals, and it barely made any money because it took 15 min. a run. It was just for fun because I liked the ship and wanted to see what I could get it to do. This is the fit I used:
Scythe Fleet Issue: T2 Electrical
425mm Autocannon II x4
Small Energy Nosferatu II x1
Large Shield Booster II x1
10mn Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner x1
Copasetic Compact Shield Boost Amplifier x2
Stasis Webifier II x1
Capacitor Flux Coil II x3
Gyrostabilizer II x2
Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II x2
Medium Thermal Shield Reinforcer II x1
@@lavalion9751 what was the fit you used? :) and in what kind of filament?
@@The_Intergalactic_Academy I was never able to get it past T2 abyssals, and it barely made any money because it took 15 min. a run. It was just for fun because I liked the ship and wanted to see what I could get it to do. This is the fit I used:
Scythe Fleet Issue: T2 Electrical
425mm Autocannon II x4
Small Energy Nosferatu II x1
Large Shield Booster II x1
10mn Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner x1
Copasetic Compact Shield Boost Amplifier x2
Stasis Webifier II x1
Capacitor Flux Coil II x3
Gyrostabilizer II x2
Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II x2
Medium Thermal Shield Reinforcer II x1
@captainbenzie For frigs you should use multifrequecy crystals tracking is like 50% better than conflag.
I also swapped to power relays better cap for armor tanks. (now fully cap stable with max skills)
Added standard ammo so if you forget to check and stuff burnes out you have the unlimited lower dps ammo to fall back on.
[Augoror Navy Issue, C3 Cheap]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Medium Cap Battery II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Auto Targeting System I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Acolyte II x3
Conflagration M x12
Scorch M x9
Imperial Navy Multifrequency M x6
Infrared M x3
Multifrequency M x3
Mobile Tractor Unit x1
Good tips
You can drop the drones and replace them with webbing or target painting drones for better application. You could also carry Navy multispectrum crystals.
I'm sure I mentioned multispectrum in the video, but using EWAR drones isn't a terrible idea
only downside to ewar drones for ratting is they take even more aggro than combat drones
Yes, more aggro and have less hp/resists so they go down fast@@BanControl
I'm watching this series to see what I can use to clear gas & mining sites. The Drake does it fairly well, but my WH chars aren't skilled into it. One of them is skilling into Hybrids for the VNI fit, I'd like to see what else I can get into, though.😁
I've covered HACs and a few others so far, but having fun searching lower tiers.
@@captainbenzie I really enjoyed your HAC videos, but I'm learning more with these lower tier fits. Seeing how these cheaper, less skill intensive ships can run the same sites is quite educational. It's fun to see how the "Navy" version of a ship can handle something that its 'normal' counterpart can't.
Pretty much the same cost, yet more overall cap and recharge rates. Afterburner II adds 2m or so to the cost, but gives 30+m/s more, making it just a smidge bit slicker for avoiding damage.
[Augoror Navy Issue, *Simulated Augoror Navy Issue Fitting]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Pulse Laser II
Heavy Pulse Laser II
Heavy Pulse Laser II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Hobgoblin II x3
Scorch M x11
Conflagration M x12
Thanks for this. I've been using an Aug NI for Abyss for a while; good to know it can do C3's
Glad I could help!
Can I see your abyss fit and do you run t3 or t4s?
To hit small fast targets use keep at range- mitigate the angular to comfort to 2-3 shot those.
he was doing fine by just flying straight away from them manually, if anything he should have just brought some multifrequency for the better tracking and it would speed things up a bit with the frigs.
Awesome video as always, cap! I wonder if the Omen Navy Issue would work for C3? But man, the day they make a Maller Navy Issue, I'm a happy man. 😀
ONI would be a fun one to try for sure!
You can fit a 1600mm plate, energized layered membrane, and trimarks to get this to 20,000+ HP absolutely nuts for a cruiser.
THICC BOI
On my drone boat ships if I have room I stick a small remote armor repairer on so I can repair damaged drones in the field; I wonder if that might be a nice addition here since there are high slots free in the pasted fit (I'd probably add the repairer on along with a salvager).
Trying bringing 1-3 armor and hull repping drones of you have room, and install a remote shield repper. Recall and send out spares if they've taken too much damage, then repair once out of combat.
15:23 oh! neat finding out that people i follow are neurodivergent too :D
Only recently discovered. Wish I'd known so much earlier in life...
T2 crystals reduce tracking. Using navy multifrequency would be more effective against frigates
I think I mention this in the video, if not, great tip!
@@captainbenzie You mentioned multifrequency crystals in the video but when you were shooting frigates you didnt said "I should have brought multifreq with me. It would have helped". Instead you talked about changing the fit to include tracking modules. So to inform everyone who dont know about the negatives of t2 crystals I made that comment
Hey Capt! Loved your VNI fit. Shout out to @The_Intergalactic_Academy.
I will change the blasters to rails because I drop MTU and orbit because I'm lazy.
Love your content! Keep it up! /,,/,
Good stuff! Let me know how it works!
That should work just fine but with lower dps and worse tracking. :) But yes absolutely. :)
just as a note you can fit the myrmiadon triple rep tank on that, i used to use that in providence
Navy augs with polarized guns are crazy, since energized layered membranes, the ship armor HP bonus, and amulet implants apparently don't have stacking penalties... I was able to get a max of about 69 *thousand* armor HP.
Good lord that's tasty!
No shit?! Thats crazy...
how much were the guns tho? seems like a lot of sacrifice for an extra 200dps maybe
shouldn't you put cap power relay instead of flux coils ?
Try it and let me know!!
@@captainbenzie i have such bad skills that i'm not even cap stable but i deplete my capacitor in 1'55 with coils versus 3'11 with power relays so it sould be better
It does improve the fit, thanks
I'm working on a alpha 1 mil sp fit as we speak. just for the fun of it. :)@@guillaumepage8513
I think i made a stabber fit ( yes...T1 stabber, not fleet issue ) which could technically run c3 sites
It was basically a LSB + cap battery + AB and hardner
It was super cheap....i never actually took it out tho i think it should run the sites....i will hit u up on discord later on if i find that fit again
Sounds awesome!!
can you use this ship to clear the guarded relic site? (forgotten etc). Thank you!
It CAN, but the C3 Relic/Data sites are basically C4 combat sites. Risky, and take a while.
ANI is my favorite cruiser of late. Certainly not the Meta but I love it for 4/10s. I use beams though.
Nice!
I know far too much about lasers and what they can do to ever call them "flashlights". Pushing interstellar arks to significant percentages of lightspeed and casually frying whole planets explains Amarrian fascination with them. =)
But of course to each their own. =)
Oh yeah, it's like calling Projectiles "rock lobbers" 😂
Great video. Need to find the caracal one...
Working on it!
The DPS is low. It might take a long time to finish the sites.
But it's interesting to see how many ships are able to finish C3 sites for solo players.
About 20 mins and for 105m ISK???
Still 300 mil/hour est. no bad if you ask me for a 110 mil ship
@@The_Intergalactic_Academy exactly!!
@@The_Intergalactic_Academy yeah any ship that pays for itself in 1 hour or less is great imo
i really like this ship, i have been playing on and off since 2004 and have been alpha for a long time, so i really like the navy/fleet cruisers
They're great ships
I always hear eve youtubers say "come on, it's only a few million, they recover in 10 minutes" and the most I get is like 400k mining velspard
Are you playing solo? If you're solo mining Veldspar in a Venture, that's a low risk, low reward activity. If you enjoy mining, then joining a corp (especially one based in Wormholes or Nullsec) can earn you significantly more.
As for this specific video, if you're ratting C3 anomalies, you can make 100m an hour easily. Yes, it requires investment, it's not a Day One activity, but once you start, the money is easy to earn.
Hell’o7
What about Stratios? It is possible do do some C3s? I would love to watch it.
I did try the Stratios a while back. It can do C2s but for C3s it has neither the tank, speed, or DPS...
Benzie is slowly being corrupted by the beautiful light of lasers! It looks like Conflag M will get a bump in price, so I can make some isk 😁
oh man, I never would have thought this would work. and I'm a "gold laser monkey" (or whatever you call it :P )
😂
Why kind of small gang content do you do in Wormhole? Would love to see some cool combos you guys run
use augmented/integrated light drones. a bit more isk for a bit more dmg
Good tip
Dude, do Minmatar C3 ratting ships ... t1 cruisers or battlecruisers
I've covered a few; the Vagabond, Muninn, and Sleipnir
@@captainbenzie yes and those are the omega locked ones, not like the Vexor Navy or this one ... do a Fleet Stabber or something! Or a C3 Hurricane!
@k0v4c I'm skeptical they have the slot layout for the tank, but would love to see them if I'm wrong.
They might be too big for them to work. the increased sig radious really makes them take a lot more damage.
do exy navy issue that would be sickkk, i run these alot in c2 bc my skills are low so i try to go max dps for best isk an hour and i wanna see if an exy could do it
there is talk of fits for C3 and C5... it is very difficult to find fits for C4. Is C4 so bad?
C4 is really hard to solo effectively since the spawns are so far away from each other. As such, to run C4s players just make fleets of C3 ships. For a C5 ship, it's simply not worth the cost dropping to a C4.
@@captainbenzie C4 Barracks run by marauder can net about 650mil/h solo
Wow this fit came out of left field!
😉
Nice alternative!
Indeed!
Do it in an Ibis next.
Lmao I can tell you that will not work 😂
Staying alive perhaps, killing anything no. XD
Please bezie sow us content in T3 destoyers, grettings from Colombia i never lost your videos, thanks for all the help.
I've done videos for the Confessor, Hecate, Svipul, and Jackdaw 😊
i wonder if any frigate or destroyer sized ships can do the sites? lol
Ooh.. I can have a look at it. :D
My favorite Pvp ship at the moment, inhave it brick tanked and sits at 180k ehp. Dps is.not that crazy, but i can typically outlast my Foe... unless he has neuts.... lol.. then im dead
WTFUK man. is there something that can not rat c3? keep going
I aim to find every ship that can!
Unfortunately, as was pointed out in another recent video, I don't think the Ishtar will be able to.
The VNI gets bonuses to Hybrids, so they work very well. That causes the ship itself to be enough of a threat to pull aggro off the drones. The Ishtar only has drone bonuses, which means drone damage amps are better for the highs. Drones get eaten by Sleepers, so you're defanged early.
The only thing I could see working in an Ishatr is non-bonused Hybrids, which might not even do enough damage to pull agro. Range could also be an issue. Maybe implants could be used for either / both? I don't know.
We might have a solution to that problem. :)@@AndyKauffman-ml3og
even though it only have 3 turret slots, it does more damage than the omen navy,,
also u dont want vespas ._. u want hornets obv
Bro don’t use flux coils, those are used on shield ships, use power relays instead….
Decent tip, but eh, it works.
Damage Control II?
Reactive is better
@@captainbenzie@captainbenzie Damage Control II gives static resistances, and reactive armor hardener gives dynamic resistances, so why not both simultaneously? that was my point. I think your build has two low slots where one has a bit of a penalty that would not exist if one of them were a Damage Control II. If memory serves.
Reactive has stacking penalties with damage controls.
@@glenn-g I see. I will have to look at that more closely. Thanks.
you actually get better resist in armor using a membrane. why would you need resists in shield and hull if you are tanking armor?@@RayHorn5128088056
Sorry, but your calculations for the range are way off in this video. You seem to mistaken the total Tooltip falloff rating as the base falloff.
The Tooltip includes the optimum and the falloff and your skills, it simply does the math for the player for all weapon types and skill levels to show you the 50% hit chance threshold.
The Heavy Pulse Laser II base falloff is 5000m. I asume you have Trajectory Analysis 5, wich will give you 6250m of falloff. So with Conflagration at 14km you are already down to 50% hit chance. Similary with Scorch at 28km. And most times you dont hit as hard, so your average dps will be down more.
You dont hit the frigs because you are out of range, not nessescarly because of tracking. But you should use scorch for tracking reasons anyway, if the frigs orbit or have a high transverse speed.
Yeah, I know this, not sure why I was getting confused
Those dudes on D-scan tho..............
All friendly and in voice-comms with me!
what a terrible ship to use!
Yet it works and it's about 105m... so obviously not a terrible ship to use... 😂
Why is it terrible?