If a family speaks two different native languages
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- Опубліковано 10 бер 2024
- #neighborcharles introduces this wonderful Russian Korean family who faces every first generation immigrant family's issue. Maya born in Russia and raised in Korea, and Arina born and raised in Korea are sisters who deeply think of their parents.
This episode depicts the family's effort to raise awareness about the history of Russian Korean migrants from Sakhalin and to settle in South Korea.
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The grandmother sounds like a really great person, I hope they can celebrate her life by remembering her memories
dad is undoubedly the style of russian man. russian mom would never feel shes being on international marrige and cultural differences
i love this family. i hope the dad gets citizenship.. thank you for sharing.
They are mostly from Gyeongsang Province.
At that time, many of the people who were taken to Sakhalin by the Japanese army were from Gyeongsangnam-do. They are not North Koreans. Gyeongsang-do is a region located in the southeast of South Korea. Here, Japanese soldiers dragged many Koreans onto ships and forced them to work in Sakhalin. They could not return to their homeland and had to stay in Sakhalin.
Sakhalin Koreans every time forget to tell about their true history. Many of them were of Japan side. And fighted together with Germany Italy and Japan. And every time they forget that only Goryeo saram fighted in the second world war and only Goryeo Koreans fighted against Japan for Freedom of Korea. What did Sakhalin Koreans at that time? Many of them also went to Sakhalin to earn money as they wished not by force. And actually Japan gave money to Korea and Sakhalin Koreans could come back. American Koreans much closer to Korea than Sakhalin Koreans even them say nothing about Korean citizenship. Sakhalin Koreans every time cry and ask about that. What a shame. They did nothing for their freedom they did nothing for ussr they did nothing for Korea and only complain complain and complain. And moreover unlike Goryeo Koreans only Sakhalin Koreans have much more mix families. Many Sakhalin Koreans had Japanese names and when Goryeo Koreans asked thier names they kept saying Japanese names. Goryeo Koreans were in shock to hear that. Cause of Goryeo Koreans they officially changed Japanese names to Koreans names again. And moreover most of Goryeo Koreans did knew nothing about Sakhalin Koreans until they came to Korea. Only Sakhalin Koreans talk and talk and talk about Goryeo Koreans. Goryeo Koreans don't think about them at all.
@@Comments-eu3cbхерню не неси. Это были просто крестьяне, идиот
@@Comments-eu3cbзаткнись тварь, мы знаем историю своих бабушек и дедушек,гнида. И у нас у всех корейские имена. Что ты там приписать, скот собрался? От зависти, материковская,тварь. Мы японцев ненавидели, в бомбежке 45 убили дядю, он был еще мальчиком. А ты,гнрда,хочешь сеазаь,что наши за японцев были, да тебя на кол посадить мало
So you want them to suffer for the things their great grandparents did. If the present generation are a mixed race, have a korean blood line and choose to be a korean they should be accepted. @@Comments-eu3cb
@@Comments-eu3cbэто ты ,гнида,врёшь все. Они были крестьянам,ублюдок. Твои слова-вранье,есть архивы. Никто из них не воевал,они работали в шахте. Как у тебя,тварь, язык поворачивается. А плюсуют тебе те,кто верят. Подними все архивы и не вводи людей в заблуждение. И Стелла памяти на Сахалине есть. Отпинать тебя мало за вранье и оскорбления
Wow! I watched the whole video! What an interesting family! ❤ I do hope that Maya becomes a flight attendant ✈️ like she wants to become!
Very interesting and also sad reading about Sakhalin Koreans, and the history being pushed and pulled by different countries.
Какой интересный выпуск попался мне в рекомендациях
Loved this episode so much 😂👍. Was also good to learn more about this topic.
beautiful family I wish them only the good things in their future
In the end of sauna scene, it is really funny to see appa holding collection book of Dino & Jun photocards from Seventeen 😂
It's a bit weird that the husband said he met his wife at 18 and had to raise her and now they have been together for 20 years 😱
Ikr 😂
It was obviously a joke, he ment that he was older, wiser than her, that's all
It’s russian joke
But in foreign language sounds strange
It's more like a joke-complain here in Russia. Complain about infantile spouse. Women also say that they have not a husban, but one more kid they have to raise while they complain about their's husbands.
It was clearly a joke. And 18 years old is a legal age so I don't see any problem with it. Wala pa man guro ka tuli dzong.
maya is so pretty and her voice is so nice
오늘도 너무 재미있게 봤습니다 :) Always enjoy watching your videos :)
Last part made ma a bit teary, I completely understand Arina. My parents immigrated from Russia also before I was born, and all my siblings speak Russian almost fluently, except for me. I do understand everything tho, but I can't really speak it. So sometimes I feel like the black sheep of the family..
You can just learn it? I was looking for a new language to learn and russian was one of the easiest ones, compared to French where exceptions make the rule, having someone to practice it with is a plus
@@nour4501 yeah I dont really have to learn it, since I already understand the language, just practice speaking. But I guess it's more of a confidence thing since I have a huge accent, and my family always jokes about it. So I just refrain from speaking it.
@@nour4501 interesting that you find Russian easy. It's not considered an easy language to learn for adults!
@@addixted99 очень жаль, что у вас не получается с ними разговаривать на русском :( мне кажется, если бы я оказалась в подобной ситуации, мой отец тоже шутил бы над моим акцентом (если бы он у меня был). надеюсь, у вас получится найти человека/людей, с которым(и) можно без страха и стеснения общаться на русском (если вам, конечно, захочется))❤❤❤
@@addixted99, if you can understand it already, I think it will be quite easy for you. All it needs is someone to practice. Someone from outside the family, since they tease you. That's sad that you end up not being able to do it with your family. I can understand siblings to tease, but parents... they should give the example and try to make your siblings stop from teasing you. It feels like they don't really care to communicate with their youngest child. Anyway, but you can easily find conversational classes, it will have someone to help you to improve your speech and correct your accent. If you don't tell them about the classes, who knows? Maybe someday you can surprise them, showing that by your own will and without their help you manage to improve your skills. It will make you stronger and more confident. I wish you the best!
The parents should keep talking in one language at home. My parents came from the USSR to Germany and they just kept talking Russian at home and to me growing up. We were exposed to German at school, work and with friends. That way I could speak both languages fluently but of course my writing in Russian isn’t the best yet😅
3rd generation usually don't speak korean at all, my husband is 3rd generation - so I know
딸들 넘 이쁘다.
Cheoljae kinda look alike the grandpa from movie "up"😭
i relate to the little sister so much
my dad isn't fluent in english and english is the only language i'm fluent in T_T
11:45 So cute and clever!
왜...한국인 남편 보다 러시아인 아내가 한국말을 더 잘하는건데???🤭 남편 외모도 러시아 사람 같아요 ㅋ 아내 딸들은 한국스럽고....신기하네요...정말 부러운 행복한 가정.........😊 딸들을.........잘키웟네요.........부럽다...그리고 아내를 보며 느끼는 건데 러시아인들은 착하고 정이깊고 의리도 있는듯....
철재씨 떡대가 장난아님 ㅋㅋ
It's important to point out the injustice of the Sakhalin Koreans.
But, Korea is pretty open to all the ethnic Koreans during that time period. If you can prove your Korean heritage, you can get permanent residency. The citizenship seems to be a bit harder needing paperwork from a Korean born in Korea.
Сахалинские корейцы имеют близких родственников в Корее. Отец моего мужа там родился. Когда СССР распался и открылись границы, а ранее диплрматических отношений не было,мы нашли родственников,они помнили моих бабушек и дедушек. С гражданством и прочим у нас проблем нет. В России мы вполне успешные люди. Сейчас расширили программы именно для сахалинских корейцев.
but still, they gonna look at you as a stranger
Sou um coreano gosto muito de vocês!
Let me tell you the difference between Koryeo-Korean and Sakhalin-Korean people.
Koryeo-Korean - Descendants of Korean independence fighters who fought against the Japanese army during the Japanese colonial period. And they were forcibly relocated to Central Asia and Russia by Stalin. Now we call them Koryo-saram
Sakhalin-Korean - This refers to people who were forcibly moved to Sakhalin by the Japanese soldiers during the Japanese colonial period and worked there. The descendants of those who could not return to their homeland are the current Sakhalin Koreans.
From the video, it didn't sound they were forcibly moved to Sakhalin. It seemed that they moved there on their own to escape the Japanese during the occupancy time and the war. Due to that, Russia didn't allow them to have Russian citizenship. Or was it both scenarios? Maybe I didn't get that right...
@@alva--._..l-._.-l.._.-- 일본을 피해 사할린에 간 것이 아닙니다.
그 당시 사할린은 일본 제국주의가 점령하고 있던 땅이었고
그곳에서 노동력이 필요했던 일본은 식민지였던 조선(N.Korea+S.Korea)에서
조선인들을 강제로 끌고간 거예요.
그 노무자들 후손이 지금의 사할린 한인들입니다.
@@alva--._..l-._.-l.._.--러시아가 사할린의 한인들에게 시민권을 부여하지 않은 이유는 연해주 고려인들의 스탈린에 의한 중앙아시아 강제 이주의 경우와 비슷한데
일본과 외모가 비슷한 한국인들을 일본의 첩자라고 생각했기 때문입니다. 무지의 소산이죠.
@@alva--._..l-._.-l.._.--역사를 대충 아는 것은 아예 모르는 것보다 위험합니다.
중국 조선족과 달리 카자흐스탄 등 중앙 아시아의 고려인과 사할린의 한인들이 대한민국에서 대우받는 이유가 바로 거기에 있습니다.
@@teoruck that's why I'm asking. Otherwise, I wouldn't have asked what the scenario or scenarios are. Although, you honestly find that cursory knowledge is worse than not having any knowledge at all? So you think that it's better to stay ignorant about your own history than actually know something about it, even if little? That's dumb as Hell! So you say Kazakhstan and Sakhalin are treated well in Korea and Koreans don't even try to at least understand the reason why? Dear Lord! Your history education program should be reviewed already and your apathetic view concerning people's knowledge as well!
가화만사성(家和萬事成) Happiness begins at home
홍석천씨 농담으로라도 머리가 나쁘서 그런거냐느니 하는 말은 하지 마세요...
If Maya is 16 and she was 9 during the 2003 Arirang contest shouldn't that make her older? Or does it mean the constest has existed since 2003??
There is some mistake in eng. Sub title.
The song: actually the lyric since 2003.
Maya won the contest by singing that song in 2017 when she was 9.
@@lovek2491 thank you
혈액형 저런 건 왜 물어보는거야, 개한심하네.
Почему нет русских субтитров???
Чтобы английский учили 😁
@@mariagolub1249 если вас сюда занесло, значит вы владеете английским 😁
@@lingvomira или корейским )) я после года изучения более-менее понимаю что по-корейски говорят члены семьи, а вот ведущих реально тяжело )) но особенно приятно слышать как они по-русски между собой говорят, с другой стороны у них действительно интересная проблема - дочки идеально говорят на корейском и могли бы учить родителей, а родители наоборот на русском
so both daughters don't speak russian at all ?
Older daughter do speak and has Russian friends
@@kaiojuy ah ok. Maybe the subtitle are not really accurate
@@benyisg7633 Yes is not that accurate, but refers mostly to one girl Arina, on tumbnail.
They spoke more Korean for the show.
I love Korea but the way I live there it’s not a big place in my mind anymore because it’s just not that much anymore and I don’t want to live there anymore because I don’t want it anymore I just don’t wanna be in the middle or something and then it’s like 👍 it’s just not worth the money 😊
Жить можно хоть где. Корея нормальная страна. Почему доя меня имеет она плюсы-там своя нация. Менталитет,конечно,иной.
Yeah there's Asians and koreans in general in Russia near the sea of Japan
My grandmother & great grandparents lived in Russia for a bit but were deported by Stalin during the Russo Japan war.
@@Bbanjahkwhere were they deported to? Central asia country?
i see no Sea of Japan tho. There is Korean fishers in there too and Korea has territory.
Not only near Japan, but half of Siberia
Let me tell you the difference between Koryeo-Korean and Sakhalin-Korean people.
Koryeo-Korean - Descendants of Korean independence fighters who fought against the Japanese army during the Japanese colonial period. And they were forcibly relocated to Central Asia and Russia by Stalin. Now we call them Koryo-saram
Sakhalin-Korean - This refers to people who were forcibly moved to Sakhalin by the Japanese soldiers during the Japanese colonial period and worked there. The descendants of those who could not return to their homeland are the current Sakhalin Koreans.
Bruh some family speaks more than 2 😂 nothing special
Sakhalin is Koreea!
north korea
@@user-qm9bk3bv9m Most people from Gyeongsang Province (S.Korean)
They are mostly from Gyeongsang Province.
At that time, many of the people who were taken to Sakhalin by the Japanese army were from Gyeongsangnam-do. They are not North Koreans. Gyeongsang-do is a region located in the southeast of South Korea. Here, Japanese soldiers dragged many Koreans onto ships and forced them to work in Sakhalin. They could not return to their homeland and had to stay in Sakhalin.
Let me tell you the difference between Koryeo-Korean and Sakhalin-Korean people.
Koryeo-Korean - Descendants of Korean independence fighters who fought against the Japanese army during the Japanese colonial period. And they were forcibly relocated to Central Asia and Russia by Stalin. Now we call them Koryo-saram
Sakhalin-Korean - This refers to people who were forcibly moved to Sakhalin by the Japanese soldiers during the Japanese colonial period and worked there. The descendants of those who could not return to their homeland are the current Sakhalin Koreans.
С хера ли?
Sakhalin Koreans every time forget to tell about their true history. Many of them were of Japan side. And fighted together with Germany Italy and Japan. And every time they forget that only Goryeo saram fighted in the second world war and only Goryeo Koreans fighted against Japan for Freedom of Korea. What did Sakhalin Koreans at that time? They else went to Sakhalin to earn money as they wished not by force. And actually Japan gave money to Korea and Sakhalin Koreans could come back. American Koreans much closer to Korea than Sakhalin Koreans even them say nothing about Korean citizenship. Sakhalin Koreans every time cry and ask about that. What a shame. They did nothing for their freedom they did nothing for ussr they did nothing for Korea and only complain complain and complain. And moreover unlike Goryeo Koreans only Sakhalin Koreans have much more mix families. And moreover most of Goryeo Koreans did knew nothing about Sakhalin Koreans until they came to Korea. Only Sakhalin Koreans talk and talk and talk about Goryeo Koreans. Goryeo Koreans don't think about them at all.
You have already commented this in 3 different places talking about Sakhalin Koreans in negative light. Educate yourself properly on a subject of history of both people. Do not just look at it from a lens of single side.
First of all, all men in USSR had to participate in a World War 2 regardless of race. Therefore calling Goryeo as freedom fighters is a little bit of a stretch, since everybody had a will to fight in order to defend Nazi's Germany, Japan and Italy. Second of all, most of them what now are Goryeo people were forcefully moved to Central Asia by Stalin in 1937, due to his fear of Koreans being Japanese spies. They were sent in horrible conditions in trains all across Central Asia. The rest of them moved themselves when Korea was united way before World War 2 and they spread across the Russia.
As a descendant of Sakhalin Korean, my mother's family was forced to a labor camp by Japanese and her brother was taken by Japanese in South Korea and was never seen after. This was both according to my mother and to a government documents that were retrieved years later from South Korea (a record proving my mother's family tree by South Korean government). In fact, her brother survived (stayed in South Korea) and had a family we could connect with half a century later.
A very small portion of Sakhalin Koreans had to work for Japan, mostly as translators. My family and many families I know have only 1 generational gap between South Koreans and Sakhalin Koreans. My grandparents on both sides didn't speak a lick of Russian, only Korean. Most of the South Korean traditions such as 제사 shown in a video were presumed.
I never knew about Goryeo people until I started living in Central Asia myself. Believe me, nobody talks about Goryeo people in Sakhalin and vice-versa. I had many Goryeo friends and I personally know their families. All of them had a huge generational gap in terms of time they moved first from Korea. They lost track to the point where they weren't sure whether their descendants were from what now is South or North part of Korea. Not a single personal I've met from Goryeo people could track a last relative that was truly Korean, even though the gap between Sakhalin people weren't that big. All of the Goryeo people, I've met and knew, had the same weird names for Korean food such as Tiay (for 된장), pigodi (for 찐빵) and etc. Not only that but a part of them have last names that do not exist in South Korea as of now. This might point to the fact that a majority of them were sent from what now is North Korea, since this part of peninsula is connected directly to Russia and China.
From my personal experience, most of Goryeo people assimilated in Central Asia to the point where there's barely any Korean traditions left, except a somewhat similar food (2-3 items at best) with different names. On the other hand, Sakhalin descendants, while assimilated in Russia, still kept most of the Korean traditions and customs. My mother and many people of her generation speak Korean as they learned it from their parents who were South Koreans. While most of the Sakhalin Koreans know what part of Korea province they are from and speak the language, most of Gyryeo people are at a point of not being able to track their last truly Korean relative and do not speak a single word of Korean.
This isn't a hate comment towards Goryeo Korean to disapprove anything. This is just to point out that majority of Goryeo Koreans are very distant from Korea in all aspects and they can be simply considered as people of Central Asia. While generational gap isn't big, many of them assimilated to the point where there's barely any Korean (traditions and customs) left.
South Korea as a country, itself, recognizes that Sakhalin Koreans are much closer to Korea and were direct descendants of South Koreans. There is a reason why they are so many government programs to return and get benefits solely for Sakhalin Koreans in South Korea.
And yes, Korean Americans are way closer to Korea than any Sakhalin or Goryeo people, because they're direct descendants of South Koreans and can simply be considered South Koreans. 100% of their customs and traditions are the same and were never absent, especially considering there's 1 million Koreans just in Korean Town in LA and many more across U.S.
To prove my point further to a lot of possible hate comments, you can simple ask a Goryeo person who have never been to Korea about things such as 된장, 깍두기, 제사, 간장, 고추장, 환갑, 설날, 추석. I promise you that all of these words related to South Korea will be unknown or unfamiliar to a Goryeo person. In fact, many of them will be heard for the first time.
@de-stressmusic432 hey listen even bread that Sakhalin Koreans call pyanse=pigodi=찐빵 is original word from North Korea. But u Sakhalin Koreans don't know this right. And every time u tell everyone "we call this bread pyanse cause is not Noth Korean word" . But IT IS. U know nothing about ur history.
@de-stressmusic432 what r u talking about? And every time u tell like that about Goryeo Koreans. Goryeo Koreans kept all the main Korean culture and food and traditions. Since they were moved to Central Asia by force they had to change for adaption for Korean taste some of food cause in Cental Asia NO SEA as u know.
@de-stressmusic432 and unlike Sakhalin Koreans Goryeo Koreans don't have so many mix families. Small percent of mix families. So who couldn't keep ur Korean identity culture food traditions is big big question. Even food recipe of kuk-su=korean noodles Sakhalin Koreans took from Goguryeo Koreans.
@de-stressmusic432 and else u tell that Goryeo Koreans run to Russia. U lie like that. They never ever run to Russia. They lived and still live in Dalnyi Vostok=Russian Far East before Russians.