He is not really an antagonist...in TWD i always notice that there aren't really antogonist, everybody got reason for what ther are doing...even Negan.
@@GyutaroUpper6 an antagonist is not the same thing as a villian. An antagonist is just a character who regularly opposes the protagonist. Hank from Breaking Bad is a good guy but he's a danger to the protagonist (Walt) so he's classified as an antagonist. Pre-season 9 Negan is an antagonist and Larry could be considered one as well
While he is definitely an asshole and a real jerk, I always did admire how much he seemed to be looking out for Clemintine and his daughter. You have to understand the mentality of people when the outbreak was happening, and I think his concern seeing a bunch of people being let in and one covered in blood would have him concerned given his daughter was there. Plus seeing him trying to look out for Clemintine from someone who he viewed as a murderer is still telling. I'm not defending him in his other actions, just showing that he did, at least, have his heart in the right place; if only he went about it in a bad way.
I wish there was more scenes of him looking out for clem, to make him more likeable and just highlight that he only dislikes Lee due to his criminal history
@@majinxx6272it’s not just that tho he treated eveyone like shit how he spoke to mark kenny reacted to lee bringing back back Ben he even had the nerve to get mad at lee when the st Johns captured them Larry did have a heart but he was also genuinely a peice of shit
@@martinson1252Whats the problem of raising an' tough, independent army girl?, what she did on S4 happened because the events of S1 and basically the entirety of the zombie apocalypse, yeah, try to be a hero in an dying world, just hopeless.
Larry's a great character. An awful person but a great character, someone in the narrative that we're meant to hate but have to get along with to get by
@@Souphover hm... I wonder... Willing to throw a child out, mock him and his family "Oh, I'm "upsetting" him? Upsetting is getting eaten alive!" "You're gonna whoop me? You and what homo parade? (…) HA, that's good. Little boy! Before you EAT your mommy, you can watch your dad get his nose broken." and threaten his whole family because he assumes he's bitten (also the homophobia in that latter quote). Purposefully tried to get Lee killed at the end of Episode 1. Generally just being an asshole who wants to be in charge as seen in Episode 1 especially. And that's ignoring the likelihood of racist motivations in his hate for Lee alongside being a convicted killer. Hell, Lilly's anecdote in Season 4 about cutting the power to teach her not to leave the lights on shows it too
There was a scene that got cut in ep 2: After Larry collapsed from heart attack, he in his dying breath apologized to Lilly for not being able to protect her and her mother.
@@myckilord There a lot's of video about deleted scene, cut content from TWD season 1, you can search that on youtube. Or you can read it on The walking dead telltale wiki fandom. Actually in season 1 ep 2 there were HELLA LOTS of deleted scene and content I'll put it here (from wiki fandom): _ During the bear trap incident, the situation was completely different. Travis was not present and Lee, Kenny or Mark had to help Ben shoot the walkers while one of the three cut off Mr. Parker's leg. If Mr. Parker was saved, the story would progress as normal, but if he was left behind, Lee would have been left with an additional choice whether to leave Ben behind as well. If David was left behind, Mark would get shot in the head at the dairy by the bandits after he and Lee finish clearing the fence at the St. Johns dairy, requiring Lee to get back to dairy alone, Mr. Parker would then be found taking up Mark's role of being the dinner. _ There a various unused rooms seen in the files, such as an empty room, a stairway, and a storage room. _ Lee and the group could choose to bring gas or not. If Lee said no, then Andy would come back with some food every day until the group said yes. Ben would stay behind due to the traumas, Kenny replacing his role in joining the trip to the dairy. Lilly was more acceptable to the newest member, teaching him the basics. _ There is a dream sequence present in the game data, whoever you didn't save (Doug/Carley) came back to haunt Lee in his dream asking why they weren't saved, and that Clementine will die because of his actions. The senator that Lee killed is mentioned, his name revealed to be Sam. They end it with "Do you think you can save me this time?" _ When the group arrived at the farm, the group could either take the biscuits or leave.(Refusing them apparently results in a hilarious dialog between Mark and Carley/Doug) Lee could also freely leave the farm and back to the motor inn if desired. _ When first arriving at the dairy, Lee could have initiated in dialogue with Danny, where he reveals that he and Andy are responsible for the bear traps in the forest and that they are rigged to not be opened. Lee could bring the incident with David to him. _ Kenny could have initiated in more dialogue with Lee after he returns from the hunt with Danny. Kenny's dialogue include his lines from the teaser trailer about the possibility of war, Lee could agree or disagree. Kenny would also mention to Lee about what he saw in the barn, which he would come to the conclusion that they are keeping food. _ One thing to note about the bandits is that the group was originally aware of them and presumably encountered them several times. _ In addition, the bandits were supposed to pose a much bigger threat in the story. When Duck and Kenny are playing on the swing, a walker would have appeared and would be electrified by the fence. _ There was more to Jolene. Depending on Lee's choice she could mention another bandit called Paul, and her daughter Danielle. _ There's an unused audio clip where Brenda tells Lee about her husband's fate. She says that a bunch of walkers got into the house somehow, and attacked Terry, thus killing Terry. _ The dinner sequence was much larger, as an unused sub-quest occurred where Lee had to cut Clementine's food or let Lilly/Kenny do it. Lee could also choose to add more salt or pepper to Clementine's plate or let the two above do it. There were several retakes of a prayer, and Lee at this point had found out that Mark/David was dinner. _ There was originally more backstory on the barricade seen in the downstairs hallway. _ Originally when Lee excuses himself to wash his hands, Lee could have picked up some pills from the cabinet. _ Additionally, Lee could give them to Lilly when she tries to revive Larry. _ Larry's death was much sadder as he in his dying breath apologized to Lilly for not being able to protect her and her mother. _ When Lilly tries to revive Larry, she would have said her line that can be heard in the teaser for Starved For Help. _ When Kenny tries to convince the others to put Larry down, Lee had the option to let Kenny kill Larry or restrain Kenny in an attempt to stop him from crushing Larry's head, however Kenny would overpower Lee, as opposed to the choice in the final game. _ After killing Larry, Kenny had much more dialogue in meat locker that included apologising to Clementine for making her witness Larry's death, he also would suggest to Lee about removing the AC unit rather than the player discovering it themself. _ In addition, the conversation would play out differently depending on Lee's actions. If Lee had agreed to let Kenny kill Larry, he would approve of Kenny's suggestion. If Lee fought with Kenny, he would sarcastically ask if Kenny was gonna knock him down if he didn't agree. _ There was also an unused interaction where Lee could ask Kenny for help. If Lee agreed to let Kenny kill Larry, Kenny would agree to help but politely tell Lee to wait for a second. _ If Lee fought with Kenny, then he would sarcastically say that Lee's always eager to help him. _ When deciding Danny's fate, Lee had an additional option to simply knock him out. _ The group was scattered at first after the revelation of cannibalism, Lee found Kenny first, who was shot beforehand, and then Lilly before trying to rescue Duck and Katjaa. _ Originally the group did not find a station wagon, the food was in the barn. After Doug/Carley and Ben saves Lee and the others and after Andy's fight, they all took a box and went back to the motor inn. The supply room was replaced with a bloody tub, metallic equipment and jars containing organs instead. _ If the player decided to help Larry, later when the group is in the forest and Lee gave his answer to Clementine about the St. John's fate, Lilly states that she already knew about Lee killing the man who slept with his wife. She accepts that as believes Lee is making the right decisions. This was scrapped for unknown reasons. _ If Lee made every choice that goes against Kenny as much as possible, he would tell Lee before finding the station wagon that he is leaving without both him and Clementine. _ Additionally, after the survivors took the food you could go around asking everyone how they felt about today's events in the motor inn. If Mr. Parker was left behind but taking Ben he'd tell that it was a horrible fate for his teacher as he was a good man. The teaser for "Long Road Ahead" was going to be longer, but was cut down most likely to prevent spoilers.
@@myckilord Actually in season 1 ep 2 there were LOTS of deleted scene and content I'll put it here (from wiki fandom): _ During the bear trap incident, the situation was completely different. Travis was not present and Lee, Kenny or Mark had to help Ben shoot the walkers while one of the three cut off Mr. Parker's leg. If Mr. Parker was saved, the story would progress as normal, but if he was left behind, Lee would have been left with an additional choice whether to leave Ben behind as well. If David was left behind, Mark would get shot in the head at the dairy by the bandits after he and Lee finish clearing the fence at the St. Johns dairy, requiring Lee to get back to dairy alone, Mr. Parker would then be found taking up Mark's role of being the dinner. _ There a various unused rooms seen in the files, such as an empty room, a stairway, and a storage room. _ Lee and the group could choose to bring gas or not. If Lee said no, then Andy would come back with some food every day until the group said yes. Ben would stay behind due to the traumas, Kenny replacing his role in joining the trip to the dairy. Lilly was more acceptable to the newest member, teaching him the basics. _ There is a dream sequence present in the game data, whoever you didn't save (Doug/Carley) came back to haunt Lee in his dream asking why they weren't saved, and that Clementine will die because of his actions. The senator that Lee killed is mentioned, his name revealed to be Sam. They end it with "Do you think you can save me this time?" _ When the group arrived at the farm, the group could either take the biscuits or leave.(Refusing them apparently results in a hilarious dialog between Mark and Carley/Doug) Lee could also freely leave the farm and back to the motor inn if desired. _ When first arriving at the dairy, Lee could have initiated in dialogue with Danny, where he reveals that he and Andy are responsible for the bear traps in the forest and that they are rigged to not be opened. Lee could bring the incident with David to him. _ Kenny could have initiated in more dialogue with Lee after he returns from the hunt with Danny. Kenny's dialogue include his lines from the teaser trailer about the possibility of war, Lee could agree or disagree. Kenny would also mention to Lee about what he saw in the barn, which he would come to the conclusion that they are keeping food. _ One thing to note about the bandits is that the group was originally aware of them and presumably encountered them several times. _ In addition, the bandits were supposed to pose a much bigger threat in the story. When Duck and Kenny are playing on the swing, a walker would have appeared and would be electrified by the fence. _ There was more to Jolene. Depending on Lee's choice she could mention another bandit called Paul, and her daughter Danielle. _ There's an unused audio clip where Brenda tells Lee about her husband's fate. She says that a bunch of walkers got into the house somehow, and attacked Terry, thus killing Terry. _ The dinner sequence was much larger, as an unused sub-quest occurred where Lee had to cut Clementine's food or let Lilly/Kenny do it. Lee could also choose to add more salt or pepper to Clementine's plate or let the two above do it. There were several retakes of a prayer, and Lee at this point had found out that Mark/David was dinner. _ There was originally more backstory on the barricade seen in the downstairs hallway. _ Originally when Lee excuses himself to wash his hands, Lee could have picked up some pills from the cabinet. _ Additionally, Lee could give them to Lilly when she tries to revive Larry. _ Larry's death was much sadder as he in his dying breath apologized to Lilly for not being able to protect her and her mother. _ When Lilly tries to revive Larry, she would have said her line that can be heard in the teaser for Starved For Help. _ When Kenny tries to convince the others to put Larry down, Lee had the option to let Kenny kill Larry or restrain Kenny in an attempt to stop him from crushing Larry's head, however Kenny would overpower Lee, as opposed to the choice in the final game. _ After killing Larry, Kenny had much more dialogue in meat locker that included apologising to Clementine for making her witness Larry's death, he also would suggest to Lee about removing the AC unit rather than the player discovering it themself. _ In addition, the conversation would play out differently depending on Lee's actions. If Lee had agreed to let Kenny kill Larry, he would approve of Kenny's suggestion. If Lee fought with Kenny, he would sarcastically ask if Kenny was gonna knock him down if he didn't agree. _ There was also an unused interaction where Lee could ask Kenny for help. If Lee agreed to let Kenny kill Larry, Kenny would agree to help but politely tell Lee to wait for a second. _ If Lee fought with Kenny, then he would sarcastically say that Lee's always eager to help him. _ When deciding Danny's fate, Lee had an additional option to simply knock him out. _ The group was scattered at first after the revelation of cannibalism, Lee found Kenny first, who was shot beforehand, and then Lilly before trying to rescue Duck and Katjaa. _ Originally the group did not find a station wagon, the food was in the barn. After Doug/Carley and Ben saves Lee and the others and after Andy's fight, they all took a box and went back to the motor inn. The supply room was replaced with a bloody tub, metallic equipment and jars containing organs instead. _ If the player decided to help Larry, later when the group is in the forest and Lee gave his answer to Clementine about the St. John's fate, Lilly states that she already knew about Lee killing the man who slept with his wife. She accepts that as believes Lee is making the right decisions. This was scrapped for unknown reasons. _ If Lee made every choice that goes against Kenny as much as possible, he would tell Lee before finding the station wagon that he is leaving without both him and Clementine. _ Additionally, after the survivors took the food you could go around asking everyone how they felt about today's events in the motor inn. If Mr. Parker was left behind but taking Ben he'd tell that it was a horrible fate for his teacher as he was a good man. The teaser for "Long Road Ahead" was going to be longer, but was cut down most likely to prevent spoilers.
My headcanon is that if Larry survived he would have died during the raid. Like I imagine him trying to help or convince Lily to get in the van and maybe he gets killed or mortaly injured by bandits. That would make the next scene where Lily interrogates Ben and shoots Carley/Doug more believable since she just lost her father and is in great shock.
Larry should have died sacrificing himself to save Clem, maybe Duck, but Clem would have been way more impactful since his character revolves around pushing Lee's buttons in particular. Plus, he even mentioned that if Lee hurts Clem in any way, he'll kill him.
@@DRAYARETURN or mistake them being evil because of a perspective bias and actions being villainous to lees/players perspective of being left behind to die in the store Since we’re playing as Lee and caring for clementine It’s hard to truly empathize with other characters in the game who actions would make them labeled as evil or cowardly or stubborn and etc etc But don’t look to approach the game in many first gameplays objectively until they either replay em or watch vids like this Larry to me isn’t evil He’s simply a bigot old stubborn asshole But it doesn’t mean he’s entirely evil since he cares for Lilly and shows concern for clementine so he isn’t a complete cold psychopath since he has people he cares about. It’s often thoses with a hard exterior that have the warmest hearts since they deeply care the hardest Had Larry be given a good redemption arc from the writers that would’ve added such more complexity and in depth aura to the universe telltale had in their earlier seasons
I understand why though it can be hard to look at something you hate criticality and most consumers aren't the best at looking at characters in the more critical writing stand point.
Fun fact, Larry and Lee were being considered to be characters in Poker Night at the Inventory 2. Larry even has written dialouge. The game also has covers of music from the game.
@MATAX5 For alot of reasons, one is that the game was making people cry and Lee's story is very emotional. An other is that people genuinely hated Larry so it'd take alot to make him likable at the Poker Table. And this is just a guess but Lee is too normal to work in Poker Night, and Larry's entire character would of had to be overhauled.
As much as I hate Larry he never deserved to get his head caved in by Kenny it's quite a shame would have loved an alternative option where he survives if you save him and he saves Clementine
I mean Lilly said herself that they’re were instances where pilles didn’t help him and they had to bring him to a hospital I highly doubt that he would’ve survived at all
I disagree, the guy who complains about liabilities and quick to leave others was done by his own actions. There was no way he would survive long enough without his pills.
Something I really disliked about Larry was how telltale formulaic he was. No matter how nice Lee is to him, he'll treat him the same: You can give him food at the lodge, take his side about Duck etc. and he'll still hate Lee (This is without mentioning how Lee gets him his heart meds).
Larry is example of people forgetting a character can be good because they are hateable because well its hard to think criticality of something you hate.
The fact that we are still discussing these characters even after all these years warms my heart as a Walking Dead fan. I can’t wait for you to discuss more characters for this franchise. Do you plan on covering any Comic or Show characters in the future or will it strictly be Telltale Walking Dead characters?
The one thing I hate about Larry is that no matter how nice you are to him, he still treats you badly. Even if you agree with him about Duck being bitten, he acts nice towards you for a bit but when you try to leave the drug store full of walkers, he punches you and leaves you there.
That would probably make him less trusting, he knows lees a killer so him immediately agreeing to indirectly kill one of the children he brought to the drug store would probably make Larry even more sure of how dangerous he is.
@majinxx6272 I'd agree if it weren't Larry's idea in the first place. Plus, Larry really only seems to care about himself and Lily surviving . Can't say I blame him but still
@@chrisriley2321 When he was threatening Lee, he made sure to include Clementine, demanding that he take care of her. He still mainly cares for himself & Lilly, but it's interesting that he also throws in Clementine's safety, as well.
The way i looked at larry as a 13 year old kid playing the game at first in 2012 was hes a racist bigot but now as a 25 year old man That wasnt the case Some of what larry did has some merrit since he knew on a surface level that Lee was a convicted killer and didnt make the time to get to know Lee and see the context of why he did what he did Since hes a former marine he has that morality and principles towards others of the old world about killers and criminals And seeing a girl with lee and thinking about his own daughter lilly would put anyone on edge and remain skeptical to a high alert about a convicted killer In the group Problem with Larry was he wasnt able to see beyond the grey with other people in the apocalypse and lived in a survival mindest of shoot now ask questions later kind of thing especially with a little girl and his daughter around and because it was during the earliest months of the apocalypse Its often the hardest so people dont have the time and luxury of living and getting to know one another in depth unless you lived in a community settlement like Alexandria or Commonwealth for examples Since most are in survivalist mode And rather be safe than sorry if it means doing immoral things to keep their loved ones safe and in this case his daughter Lilly Especially if on surface a convicted killer Is in your presence Either way I still think he’s a stubborn bigot But he’s not completely heartless I think since he cares for Lilly and had concern for clementine
nah he is heartless. Dude wanted to bash Duck's head in before his mom even had a chance to finish checking him for bites. It takes a while to turn, she had plenty of time to check him for bites. Then he even mocks duck depending on which choice you picked. Then he tells Carly that she shold've let the group die. And even after he's been with Lee for months he's still an ass even if you side with him every time. Even if he never made the time to talk to Lee he still should've gotten the hint that Lee wasn't his enemy. The fact that Lee never did anything to hurt them after all this time and went out of his way to save Larry's life in episode 1 should've told him something. The fact that Lee even came in with Clem when he didn't have to should've told him something. Also, he read the story, he should've know that this was a crime of passion and not some premeditated thing.
@@JoeDirtisawsome Underneath the bridge, tarp has sprung a leak And the animals I've trapped have all become my pets And I'm living off of grass, and the drippings from my ceiling It's okay to eat fish 'cause they don't have any feelings
The fact that he warned Lee to not hurt Lilly or clementine was what convinced a lot of people 😂 he barely knew clementine but still was ready to get on Lee to defend her
You should do Lily, in my opinion she’s been beaten down abit too much. Of course she’s not a saint and is not a good person per say, but during episode 3, you can see Lily being broken and becoming a mess, she even admits it as well. I’ve seen playthroughs villainizing Lily as well (apart from s4, that’s all on her). From an outside perspective, Lily and Larry are the only ones who have within their family. Lily does defend Larry in the best she could and also acknowledges his flaws, I think in a character she does reflect of a person going through grief with an almost never ending stress of survival and loss.
ignoring what lilly says about larry in season 4 (since its a whole new team and we dont know if it was intended by the onces from season 1) i always found myself feeling pity for him (more so if you include his deleted scene where as he is dying he apologizes for not bein able to protect his daugther and wife) i always felt like as stuck up as he is in his ways, he would eventually turn himself around. he was a really valuable asset of the group, as he was by far the strongest, lifting a couch without a problem to fortify the gas station despite his age, while someone like ben struggled a lot as well as being able to knock out lee with one punch. while his first actions are despicable, he does have a point it was the first days of the outbreak, and having seen what an infected can do, he was in the right about being afraid of duck, sure, he jumped to an awful conclution way too fast, but you can see how a hardened veteran focused on protecting his daugther at all cost would come to that, as horrible as it is. his choice to leave Lee for dead meanwhile is much easier to understand, i mean, HE IS a murderer, and met him that very same day, just because someone is nice at first, does not mean you should lower your guard (Hershel in the comics learned this the hard way after one of the seemingly helpful convicts kills some of his daugthers) for all he knew, lee could be a psycopath just waiting for a perfect chance. having a little girl who is not his with him does not help either. closer to his last appearance larry has calmed down a lot, sure he is still an asshole, but that is about it, he clearly has grown slightly more attached to the group, and would probably have eventually softened up towards the end of the season if he made it further (even if there just is no way he would make it in savvanah) i find larry to be a lot like season 2 kenny, and perhaps even shane from the show, just a lot older and grumpier than them you dont have to like him, by all means he is an asshole, and you have a lot of reasons to dislike him, but at the end of the day you can understand him, which is what makes a character good.
"since its a whole new team and we dont know if it was intended by the onces from season 1" well in season 1, you have the option to say that Larry is racist.
oh yeah, its implied he may have been one, not outright said, but it is implied it could totally be one of the reasons he is against lee. personally i buy it, still does not change much of my perspective since characters like Merle in the tv show were just like that yet they get to redeem themselves....crazy how in the zombie apocalypse you forget about just how shitty certain traits are. what i mostly meant is that in the last season Larry was implied to have been a total shit father, like straight up abusive and horrible, which while not unbelivable, strikes me as simplifying his character for a very much black and white perspective just to give the game's villain a bit of extra pity points
10:11 I was too worried about stopping Clementine from eating human flesh to worry about letting Larry eat it. When I saw that guy with his legs chopped off in the closet and realized what was happening I ran down the stairs and was like. “CLEMENTINE NOOOOOOOOOO!!!” Flying across the table, lol!
Honestly I always side with Lily and Larry the first 3 episodes. They are disagreeable but they are pragmatic, something far more valuable especially early in the apocalypse. I always saw Lily's side of the traitor argument and was disappointed once I found out she never stays with the group. I was so happy to see her in the final season, and letting her leave Clementine on the raft with doubt in her eyes after all that she has done left me at my happiest. To have an impact on one of my favorite characters in a series well known in forcing outcomes.
A lot of the hate towards larry comes from people seeing the option to call him a racist and them thinking that it confirms he is a racist when he in no way at all actually shows any racist tendencies
Frankly tbh, Larry concern in regards about Lee is justified, people tend to assume Larry is racist towards Lee. Which i believe is not the case, as his concern is the Lee is a well known guy *"THAT KILLED"* a state senator and he probably saw Lee on Newspapers and on TV. Lets take our bias on our support for Lee out of the equation out for a second and think of him as just a guy we saw on TV and see him as a convicted felon. We will be concerned for our love ones safety at all times. What im saying how would you feel if you find yourself in a group, and one of those people in your group is well known killer Ted Bundy who was being sent to jail and somehow escaped and ended up in your group and you know who his is, well thats what Larry is. It didn't help Larrys case that he was always angry, aggressive, and short tempered all the time. But i think if the situation was different and there ain't no apocalypse and Lee ain't a convict Larry could be a different person in our eyes.
People hate on the mean characters but you make sense. Larry, Lilly, etc. They are just extremely well written and that's why I like them. So ehat if they say bad things or what not. It's who they are and that's unique. So yea Larry is pretty unique
One thing I do agree with you on, is Larry having a little more screen time would've been nice. I thought about this a little while ago, and I think it would've helped sell the idea that choices in the game carry weight. The devs could've killed him off in the next episode if they really wanted to. His voice actor was credited in Long Road Ahead despite him being dead, suggesting he could've lived longer and the idea was scrapped last minute. How I would've done Larry living longer is have the choice to give CPR carry weight. If you perform CPR and get enough compressions in, he lives. Him living could get Kenny some hate, but I'd balance it with a dialog option to defend him a little: "In Kenny's defense, if we were wrong, then we would've all died." Maybe have Larry be pissed about Lee existing near him, but have Lilly tell him on or off screen that Larry is alive because Lee helped him. Lee and Larry talk on the walk back to the motel, and Larry gets a "wow, what an a-hole I've been this whole time" moment. Larry apologizes for being a dick, shows some gratitude, and is nicer and more helpful to Lee. In Long Road Ahead, Larry offers Lee help for some task, maybe even has a few dialog options. Larry helps fight when the bandits attack, maybe throw in a scene of Larry saving Lee: Lee chambers a dud while eye to eye with a bandit, Larry takes the shot and saves Lee. At some point Larry is shot by a bandit, and is swarmed by walkers before he can escape. Larry has a little more screen time, the character change could be interesting, his more recent death would sell Lillys breakdown more, and it helps with the "choices carry weight" aspect. From a story telling standpoint, the only drawback is it would make it harder to write the wedge in the group part in Long Road Ahead. That was due to Larry's death, and it would be harder to sell it if he is still alive. Even then, I think it could be worked around.
I don't seem why people always tend to forget that Larry, besides Carley in Episode 1 knowing that Lee is an supposed convict killer. They didn't know Lee's POV or what really went down to lead to it.
Cant blame him, Lee is a convicted murderer who killed his wifes lover. He is trying to protect his daughters safety as this is early into the apocalypse, they didnt know everyone turns and how walkers work.
Can we just mention that Lee is a passion killer, and not a murderer....I was so frustrated when they kept calling him a murderer as if he was just slaughtering random people for the love of it....He did what he did due to passion, so freaking out about why he was going to prison makes no sense, literally more understandable than scary.
Larry was honestly stupid in how he behaved. In a world where friends and allies are short to come by, you don’t get anywhere with being hostile and aggravating to everyone.
This is less on the video unfortunately and more on the people in the comments, because I see this video’s point flying RIGHT over everyone’s heads with some of these responses: “Larry should have had a redemption arc-“ “Larry should have been written to be more sympathetic-“ “Larry was an old bigot-“ No. No. And no. You are all completely missing the point of Larry’s character. Larry isn’t an antagonist just because he’s a massive pile of shit; despite the stunt he pulled at the drug store, he is a continuous part of the group after that and mostly cooperates with them. And being an asshole to Lee doesn’t make him a bigot, that’s all the Season 4 retconning that was insisted on by entirely different writers; he hates Lee because Lee is a convicted felon, it has nothing to do with his race (especially when Clementine is biracial and Larry threatens to kill Lee if anything happens to her, plus him saving Lee if he’s given the axe). Larry is functionally perfect the way he is as a character because he’s not MEANT to be sympathetic. The whole challenge of interacting with Larry’s character in the game is asking the question of “Eye for an Eye” or “Turn the Other Cheek”. Larry is YOUR ally, regardless of how much or little he does in your playthrough and how much of an asshole he is, so how do you choose to treat him if he’s constantly reacting negatively? And finally, Larry having a “redemption arc” or being “sympathetic” goes against his character. In a group of wildly different people forced to be together in the apocalypse, in a situation where they otherwise would have NEVER met, it’s a boring dynamic when everyone is kumbaya and easily agrees on what to do next, and it really kills the severity of a situation if everyone’s on the same page. Look at how the tension of Lilly vs Kenny was when you try to figure out if it’s safer to stay put or hit the road. No opposing force makes for a bland story, and the OG writers knew this. (Also extra note, it’s very hard to find but Larry IS sympathetic if you analyze all the clues and dialogue).
The fact that you can hate him (or understand him i don't think anyone reslly likes him) is what makes him a good character. A good character is just a character that you can have a connection with. You don't HAVE to relate to them or even like them, but if you form any kind of connection, even hatred, then the character is a good character
I always thought he was an antithesis to dale in the main series. Dale was always knowledgeable and personable Larry is quick to judge and antagonize people.
I don't hate Larry for being a hatable character, i hate Larry because he died too soon, bro could have been a good character to debate up atleast chapter 4 or 5, it's kinda stupid to side with Larry at the start, and end up in a grudge against Kenny from chapter 3 onward because so, Larry living up later would have made him a way cooler character
Larry was an asshole, but he was an asshole with some heart. I guarantee his daughter would NOT have become the villain of the Final Season if he made it further into the apocalypse. That’s more than can be said for a LOT of characters in any version of TWD. Funny thing is, I honestly thought he was gonna be Lee’s archenemy for the entire season at first based on the color of Lee’s dialogue vs his being blood red.
Finding out EVERYONE was infected seems like a good opportunity to talk to him. Like, I could ask about what he'd want to do? Would he want lily to be pulled away? If she can't be, how would he want lily's situation to be handled? And maybe suggest similar planning for my own death in terms of clem, because I would love to be INVOLVED in the planning, rather than shut out with aggression like what he tried to pull.
The only people that would say Larry is a bad character are people that don’t understand story points in writing. A bad character is someone that doesn’t push the story forward in any way. The point of Larry as a character takes full sense once Kenny gives you the opportunity to kill him since it’s something that follows his conscience for the rest of the season, even up to episode 5 where he says they’ll be met with another Larry situation if they don’t do anything about Lee. Honestly, not a single character from Season 1 feels useless. Even Chuck, who arguably had the smallest screen time of any minor character, pushed the narrative forward by getting Lee to teach Clementine how to survive.
I think larry and lilly were some ball drops just from the stand point that i think it would be interesting to see a redemption ark for him as a option and i feel the developers wrote around the fact the majority of fans liked kenny more then Lilly so she just runs away not finnishing her plot
He wants to kill Duck because he could potentially hold down the whole group and get them all killed however ironically enough Larry is a far worse safety hazard with his medical issues and him being an old man funny how he seeks out the best for his daughter yet cant even acknowledge the fact that he himself is a burdern not only to his daughter but the rest of the group
Larry cares about one thing and that is his daughter, damn anyone else. He shows that at every opportunity. Even the slightest risk to her and hes up in arms and genuinely willing to kill. Hes got anger issues and so pretty much anyone that isnt lily he doesnt care to try to make friends with them. Thats living like Larry🤷♂️
I don’t know what Larry did to you , but personally he tried to leave me to die after I saved his life, and threatened and was hostile to me for no reason🤔 I like that people here try to redeem him but I personally don’t agree
While I've always liked Larry, it's basically confirmed in season 4 that the only real reason he hates Lee is because he's racist, which is incredibly stupid and an awful writing decision, and makes Larry, and Lilly to an extent, a bland character villian wise
I think i remember that, shit is stupid. If he was racist, why would he threaten to kill lee if something happened to clementine? Furthermore why would he save lees life when the teacher/student turned? (you have to give larry the axe instead of mark). Dogshit
yeah and that doesnt make sense when he says at the star "if anything happens to my daughter or that little girl you have with you" like if he was a racist then he shouldnt have cared about Clem in the first place. it was such a dumb decision to make him only hate lee cause Larry was racist.
I mean they already hinted at this in episode 1 when they gave you the option to say that he's racist. And when you call him racist, he doesn't even deny it. All he says is "what are you gonna do about it". Larry also called Lee "boy" multiple times. A white man calling a black dude in his late 30's a boy in the south has a lot of historical racist connotations.
@@DarkKeybladeMaster23 it does make sense. Being racist doesn't mean you have to hate every single person that isnt from your race. It's more nuanced than that. You can hate one race and be cool with others, and you can hate the majority of a race as a whole but make exceptions for some. Then there are people who hate dark-skinned black people more than lighter skinned biracial people. Some people do believe that certain minorities are the "good ones". I've encountered this myself. When I was growing up, I was told by some of the white kids at my school that I was "one of the good ones" And that they thought I was cool that I was part white. My mom told me that my sister's friend's father said something similar. Then there are people who make racist statements about minorities when they're currently dating a member of that minority. Larry probably saw Clem as "one of the good ones" since she was still a little girl and reminded him of Lily.. Him being racist is the only other reasonable explanation. Larry is a jerk to you no matter what you do. Lee risked his life to save Larry, but he still punched him in the face. Lee was part of the group for months, and Larry never changed the way he treated Lee. Yes, Lee was a convicted killer, but Larry saw the story. He should've know that it was a crime of passion instead of some premeditated plot. Lee proved time and time again that he wasn't a threat to the group, but Larry still hated him.
Something in Season 4, was a little more background was given to Larry, being he was a strict father, maybe even harsh to Lilly when she was a kid, I think it makes him a little more interesting, though its unknown if he was a jerk cause that's just how he is, or he was strict cause he cared for Lilly
I think Larry is fine being an antagonist but the only part of writing issues that bothers me is no one confronts Larry about his attempt to kill Lee after he just saved him from his heart problem as thanks. Even if Larry did tell the whole group about Lee’s past everyone would just see Larry as a hypocrite and he should’ve either been kicked out of the group along with Lilly or executed for his betrayal.
I also love how he isn’t PURE evil, he’s an asshole and will do evil shit. But you could see where he’s coming from. He doesn’t just do it for himself too. He values the group’s survival.
I wish there was a world where telltale could go back and do some expansionpack /DLC's to these games where you get divergences in the story. For example, all the time skips in season 1 you could add content in between those time skips that change characters behavior later on down the line. Let's say in this extra content you get a decision which makes you closer to Lilly and Larry, so that when Kenny is planning on killing him, you instead restrain Kenny while Lilly does CPR and Larry's able to survive for at least another episode or more, Perhaps changing Lilly's character and destiny greatly in Season 4. The great thing about that is that there's only 3 seasons that necessarily will be affected since Season 3 has a nearly completely different cast.
Always loved Larry and was bummed he died. He was absolutely hilarious and one of the most realistic characters in the game. Not everybody has to be a lovey dovey nice guy
Lee was a convicted murderer, Lee isn't totally racist, he was trying to protect clem too. He had good reason to think Duck was bitten, his daughter and several other people were at risk because of him.
I always understood Larry being an asshole. Literally the only soft spot he had was his daughter. It's understandable he was never going to warm up to a convicted killer.
In my playthrough I of course thought he was a big meanie stinky pants, but the longer I thought about his character and his perspective, he makes sense as a character. I too would have liked a branch in the story if Lee and Lilly actually helped him and he was with the group even after the farm to see him interact with lee later on and maybe even learn more about him, though that's when telltales style of gameplay ruins it as no matter what Larry dies, either Doug or Carla dies, Ben dies. I still love the first season to death as much as anyone else but when you look back at it with thoughts of what if, the game could have been even more expansive. But to be fair telltale was probably small and had hard working conditions at the time.
all honesty I did not care about Larry knowing what I did . let me explain this man had whole time to give lee the finger & told the group but he wanted to be on some petty high school drama nonsense. I had no shame letting this man die because your messing with the wrong 👿
I think Larry is more nuanced than being the aggressive dick who only cares for his daughter, he's a pragmatist, his concern is primarily for the group, he doesn't want new group members because they present a potential threat to the existing group, he exclusively advocates for throwing Duck out, not the entire group and only because he believes he's bitten, pay close attention, he doesn't advocate for throwing everyone in Lee's group to the walkers, even Lee despite knowing about his past. The fact that he apologises if Lee responds rationally to his claims shows that beyond that he is still a fair man, he does it begrudgingly, but he does acknowledge he was wrong. In addition to this, he prioritises the group, but he isn't without care for the individual, even when threatening Lee at the motor inn, he expresses that while he doesn't care about Lee, it does matter to him if anything happens to Clementine, which in his defense, Lee never offers him an ounce of gratitute for lookong out for Clementine, no matter how you play. He does also come to Lee's rescue if you give him the axe, showing that he does at the very least recognise Lee as a valuable enough asset to the group to save him, and his responses do seem to be more mellow if you pick the less antagonistic choices. For example, when hunting with Mark any of the other three dialogue choices will have Larry respond with indignity to the less than honest responses, but if you acknowledge that he's just looking out for his daughter, he simmers down pretty quickly when the argument breaks out by the fence, and there are even several discussions at the dairy farm where Larry is even outright civil and I'd say even a little chatty with Lee if the right dialogue is selected. I agree though, Larry is a brilliant character, he's quite rightly detestable, but pay close enough attention to him and you can completely understand him. I also agree that he dies a little too early, BUT if it were up to me, I'd have made the existing deaths for him still potential endings for him, so; If Larry has a heart attack you can still choose to kill him or help resusutate him, either option resulting the way they already do. But also have a series if dialogue options where Lee can successfully talk Larry down from wasting his energy on the meat locker's door, Lilly then doesn't get mad at you for not helping and Kenny has no reason to be mad at you for not killing him, resulting in a more co-operative effort from everyone, so immediately after you grab Andy's gun, Kenny, Larry and Lilly all help fight him off, the ending Larry ends up with this time is that instead of Lilly saving you from the electric fence, Larry does it, finally seeing Lee as someone to trust and sacrifices his own life to do it, that way the rest of the story plays out the way it otherwise would in later episodes, but Larry gets that extra bit of character development and a sort of mini, pseudo-redemption arc.
Larry wanted to smash Ducks skull on a "maybe", Kenny was just returning the gesture.
CRAZY LMAO
TBF, Duck was covered in blood so it was a strong maybe even though nothing came of it.
Larry and Kenny are basically Mirrors of each other. Just one is older and grumpier.
@@Alte.Kameradenthis is honestly true asf… you can see it in season 2 by how he treats everyone that isn’t Clem
@@TheSkyrimps3he even treats Clem like shit every now and then
He's a good antagonistic character
He is not really an antagonist...in TWD i always notice that there aren't really antogonist, everybody got reason for what ther are doing...even Negan.
@@GyutaroUpper6 an antagonist is not the same thing as a villian. An antagonist is just a character who regularly opposes the protagonist. Hank from Breaking Bad is a good guy but he's a danger to the protagonist (Walt) so he's classified as an antagonist. Pre-season 9 Negan is an antagonist and Larry could be considered one as well
People tend to forget that not everyone in real life is going to be a kind, respectable person.
still hate him
But that's necessary in a zombie apocalypse!!
@@charmsly9506 Yeah, I let Kenny kill him.
Half the time those same people act like a larry
@@charmsly9506and he’s still a good character
Made to be hated. The devs and story writers did an excellent job. Great vid btw
Larry: I plan on sticking around.
Kenny: I have a salt lick that says otherwise
While he is definitely an asshole and a real jerk, I always did admire how much he seemed to be looking out for Clemintine and his daughter. You have to understand the mentality of people when the outbreak was happening, and I think his concern seeing a bunch of people being let in and one covered in blood would have him concerned given his daughter was there. Plus seeing him trying to look out for Clemintine from someone who he viewed as a murderer is still telling. I'm not defending him in his other actions, just showing that he did, at least, have his heart in the right place; if only he went about it in a bad way.
I wish there was more scenes of him looking out for clem, to make him more likeable and just highlight that he only dislikes Lee due to his criminal history
@@majinxx6272it’s not just that tho he treated eveyone like shit how he spoke to mark kenny reacted to lee bringing back back Ben he even had the nerve to get mad at lee when the st Johns captured them Larry did have a heart but he was also genuinely a peice of shit
I'm not really sure. Look how he raised his daughter and who she became in season 4 as a result of that. (She even mentions that in Season 4)
@@martinson1252Whats the problem of raising an' tough, independent army girl?, what she did on S4 happened because the events of S1 and basically the entirety of the zombie apocalypse, yeah, try to be a hero in an dying world, just hopeless.
@@Ra1ne_bow I don't think that kidnaping children, brainwashing them and using them to fight a war can be considered as being a hero.
Larry's a great character. An awful person but a great character, someone in the narrative that we're meant to hate but have to get along with to get by
The group never really needed him as I recall, just another mouth to feed (off camera, I never gave him any of the snacks by choice ofc)
@@N.E.TGaming I mean yeah but Lilly was the defacto leader and no way would she just let everyone else kick out her dad, especially with his heart
@@N.E.TGaming he actually helped built the fence at the start of the episode and moving things out i think
How is he an awful person?
@@Souphover hm... I wonder... Willing to throw a child out, mock him and his family "Oh, I'm "upsetting" him? Upsetting is getting eaten alive!" "You're gonna whoop me? You and what homo parade? (…) HA, that's good. Little boy! Before you EAT your mommy, you can watch your dad get his nose broken." and threaten his whole family because he assumes he's bitten (also the homophobia in that latter quote). Purposefully tried to get Lee killed at the end of Episode 1. Generally just being an asshole who wants to be in charge as seen in Episode 1 especially. And that's ignoring the likelihood of racist motivations in his hate for Lee alongside being a convicted killer. Hell, Lilly's anecdote in Season 4 about cutting the power to teach her not to leave the lights on shows it too
There was a scene that got cut in ep 2: After Larry collapsed from heart attack, he in his dying breath apologized to Lilly for not being able to protect her and her mother.
Wait where did you find that?
@@myckilord There a lot's of video about deleted scene, cut content from TWD season 1, you can search that on youtube. Or you can read it on The walking dead telltale wiki fandom.
Actually in season 1 ep 2 there were HELLA LOTS of deleted scene and content I'll put it here (from wiki fandom):
_ During the bear trap incident, the situation was completely different. Travis was not present and Lee, Kenny or Mark had to help Ben shoot the walkers while one of the three cut off Mr. Parker's leg. If Mr. Parker was saved, the story would progress as normal, but if he was left behind, Lee would have been left with an additional choice whether to leave Ben behind as well. If David was left behind, Mark would get shot in the head at the dairy by the bandits after he and Lee finish clearing the fence at the St. Johns dairy, requiring Lee to get back to dairy alone, Mr. Parker would then be found taking up Mark's role of being the dinner.
_ There a various unused rooms seen in the files, such as an empty room, a stairway, and a storage room.
_ Lee and the group could choose to bring gas or not. If Lee said no, then Andy would come back with some food every day until the group said yes. Ben would stay behind due to the traumas, Kenny replacing his role in joining the trip to the dairy. Lilly was more acceptable to the newest member, teaching him the basics.
_ There is a dream sequence present in the game data, whoever you didn't save (Doug/Carley) came back to haunt Lee in his dream asking why they weren't saved, and that Clementine will die because of his actions. The senator that Lee killed is mentioned, his name revealed to be Sam. They end it with "Do you think you can save me this time?"
_ When the group arrived at the farm, the group could either take the biscuits or leave.(Refusing them apparently results in a hilarious dialog between Mark and Carley/Doug) Lee could also freely leave the farm and back to the motor inn if desired.
_ When first arriving at the dairy, Lee could have initiated in dialogue with Danny, where he reveals that he and Andy are responsible for the bear traps in the forest and that they are rigged to not be opened. Lee could bring the incident with David to him.
_ Kenny could have initiated in more dialogue with Lee after he returns from the hunt with Danny. Kenny's dialogue include his lines from the teaser trailer about the possibility of war, Lee could agree or disagree. Kenny would also mention to Lee about what he saw in the barn, which he would come to the conclusion that they are keeping food.
_ One thing to note about the bandits is that the group was originally aware of them and presumably encountered them several times.
_ In addition, the bandits were supposed to pose a much bigger threat in the story.
When Duck and Kenny are playing on the swing, a walker would have appeared and would be electrified by the fence.
_ There was more to Jolene. Depending on Lee's choice she could mention another bandit called Paul, and her daughter Danielle.
_ There's an unused audio clip where Brenda tells Lee about her husband's fate. She says that a bunch of walkers got into the house somehow, and attacked Terry, thus killing Terry.
_ The dinner sequence was much larger, as an unused sub-quest occurred where Lee had to cut Clementine's food or let Lilly/Kenny do it. Lee could also choose to add more salt or pepper to Clementine's plate or let the two above do it. There were several retakes of a prayer, and Lee at this point had found out that Mark/David was dinner.
_ There was originally more backstory on the barricade seen in the downstairs hallway.
_ Originally when Lee excuses himself to wash his hands, Lee could have picked up some pills from the cabinet.
_ Additionally, Lee could give them to Lilly when she tries to revive Larry.
_ Larry's death was much sadder as he in his dying breath apologized to Lilly for not being able to protect her and her mother.
_ When Lilly tries to revive Larry, she would have said her line that can be heard in the teaser for Starved For Help.
_ When Kenny tries to convince the others to put Larry down, Lee had the option to let Kenny kill Larry or restrain Kenny in an attempt to stop him from crushing Larry's head, however Kenny would overpower Lee, as opposed to the choice in the final game.
_ After killing Larry, Kenny had much more dialogue in meat locker that included apologising to Clementine for making her witness Larry's death, he also would suggest to Lee about removing the AC unit rather than the player discovering it themself.
_ In addition, the conversation would play out differently depending on Lee's actions.
If Lee had agreed to let Kenny kill Larry, he would approve of Kenny's suggestion.
If Lee fought with Kenny, he would sarcastically ask if Kenny was gonna knock him down if he didn't agree.
_ There was also an unused interaction where Lee could ask Kenny for help.
If Lee agreed to let Kenny kill Larry, Kenny would agree to help but politely tell Lee to wait for a second.
_ If Lee fought with Kenny, then he would sarcastically say that Lee's always eager to help him.
_ When deciding Danny's fate, Lee had an additional option to simply knock him out.
_ The group was scattered at first after the revelation of cannibalism, Lee found Kenny first, who was shot beforehand, and then Lilly before trying to rescue Duck and Katjaa.
_ Originally the group did not find a station wagon, the food was in the barn. After Doug/Carley and Ben saves Lee and the others and after Andy's fight, they all took a box and went back to the motor inn. The supply room was replaced with a bloody tub, metallic equipment and jars containing organs instead.
_ If the player decided to help Larry, later when the group is in the forest and Lee gave his answer to Clementine about the St. John's fate, Lilly states that she already knew about Lee killing the man who slept with his wife. She accepts that as believes Lee is making the right decisions. This was scrapped for unknown reasons.
_ If Lee made every choice that goes against Kenny as much as possible, he would tell Lee before finding the station wagon that he is leaving without both him and Clementine.
_ Additionally, after the survivors took the food you could go around asking everyone how they felt about today's events in the motor inn. If Mr. Parker was left behind but taking Ben he'd tell that it was a horrible fate for his teacher as he was a good man.
The teaser for "Long Road Ahead" was going to be longer, but was cut down most likely to prevent spoilers.
@@myckilord
Actually in season 1 ep 2 there were LOTS of deleted scene and content I'll put it here (from wiki fandom):
_ During the bear trap incident, the situation was completely different. Travis was not present and Lee, Kenny or Mark had to help Ben shoot the walkers while one of the three cut off Mr. Parker's leg. If Mr. Parker was saved, the story would progress as normal, but if he was left behind, Lee would have been left with an additional choice whether to leave Ben behind as well. If David was left behind, Mark would get shot in the head at the dairy by the bandits after he and Lee finish clearing the fence at the St. Johns dairy, requiring Lee to get back to dairy alone, Mr. Parker would then be found taking up Mark's role of being the dinner.
_ There a various unused rooms seen in the files, such as an empty room, a stairway, and a storage room.
_ Lee and the group could choose to bring gas or not. If Lee said no, then Andy would come back with some food every day until the group said yes. Ben would stay behind due to the traumas, Kenny replacing his role in joining the trip to the dairy. Lilly was more acceptable to the newest member, teaching him the basics.
_ There is a dream sequence present in the game data, whoever you didn't save (Doug/Carley) came back to haunt Lee in his dream asking why they weren't saved, and that Clementine will die because of his actions. The senator that Lee killed is mentioned, his name revealed to be Sam. They end it with "Do you think you can save me this time?"
_ When the group arrived at the farm, the group could either take the biscuits or leave.(Refusing them apparently results in a hilarious dialog between Mark and Carley/Doug) Lee could also freely leave the farm and back to the motor inn if desired.
_ When first arriving at the dairy, Lee could have initiated in dialogue with Danny, where he reveals that he and Andy are responsible for the bear traps in the forest and that they are rigged to not be opened. Lee could bring the incident with David to him.
_ Kenny could have initiated in more dialogue with Lee after he returns from the hunt with Danny. Kenny's dialogue include his lines from the teaser trailer about the possibility of war, Lee could agree or disagree. Kenny would also mention to Lee about what he saw in the barn, which he would come to the conclusion that they are keeping food.
_ One thing to note about the bandits is that the group was originally aware of them and presumably encountered them several times.
_ In addition, the bandits were supposed to pose a much bigger threat in the story.
When Duck and Kenny are playing on the swing, a walker would have appeared and would be electrified by the fence.
_ There was more to Jolene. Depending on Lee's choice she could mention another bandit called Paul, and her daughter Danielle.
_ There's an unused audio clip where Brenda tells Lee about her husband's fate. She says that a bunch of walkers got into the house somehow, and attacked Terry, thus killing Terry.
_ The dinner sequence was much larger, as an unused sub-quest occurred where Lee had to cut Clementine's food or let Lilly/Kenny do it. Lee could also choose to add more salt or pepper to Clementine's plate or let the two above do it. There were several retakes of a prayer, and Lee at this point had found out that Mark/David was dinner.
_ There was originally more backstory on the barricade seen in the downstairs hallway.
_ Originally when Lee excuses himself to wash his hands, Lee could have picked up some pills from the cabinet.
_ Additionally, Lee could give them to Lilly when she tries to revive Larry.
_ Larry's death was much sadder as he in his dying breath apologized to Lilly for not being able to protect her and her mother.
_ When Lilly tries to revive Larry, she would have said her line that can be heard in the teaser for Starved For Help.
_ When Kenny tries to convince the others to put Larry down, Lee had the option to let Kenny kill Larry or restrain Kenny in an attempt to stop him from crushing Larry's head, however Kenny would overpower Lee, as opposed to the choice in the final game.
_ After killing Larry, Kenny had much more dialogue in meat locker that included apologising to Clementine for making her witness Larry's death, he also would suggest to Lee about removing the AC unit rather than the player discovering it themself.
_ In addition, the conversation would play out differently depending on Lee's actions.
If Lee had agreed to let Kenny kill Larry, he would approve of Kenny's suggestion.
If Lee fought with Kenny, he would sarcastically ask if Kenny was gonna knock him down if he didn't agree.
_ There was also an unused interaction where Lee could ask Kenny for help.
If Lee agreed to let Kenny kill Larry, Kenny would agree to help but politely tell Lee to wait for a second.
_ If Lee fought with Kenny, then he would sarcastically say that Lee's always eager to help him.
_ When deciding Danny's fate, Lee had an additional option to simply knock him out.
_ The group was scattered at first after the revelation of cannibalism, Lee found Kenny first, who was shot beforehand, and then Lilly before trying to rescue Duck and Katjaa.
_ Originally the group did not find a station wagon, the food was in the barn. After Doug/Carley and Ben saves Lee and the others and after Andy's fight, they all took a box and went back to the motor inn. The supply room was replaced with a bloody tub, metallic equipment and jars containing organs instead.
_ If the player decided to help Larry, later when the group is in the forest and Lee gave his answer to Clementine about the St. John's fate, Lilly states that she already knew about Lee killing the man who slept with his wife. She accepts that as believes Lee is making the right decisions. This was scrapped for unknown reasons.
_ If Lee made every choice that goes against Kenny as much as possible, he would tell Lee before finding the station wagon that he is leaving without both him and Clementine.
_ Additionally, after the survivors took the food you could go around asking everyone how they felt about today's events in the motor inn. If Mr. Parker was left behind but taking Ben he'd tell that it was a horrible fate for his teacher as he was a good man.
The teaser for "Long Road Ahead" was going to be longer, but was cut down most likely to prevent spoilers.
thats a lot of cut content damn
Thats a lot of scrapped content, holy shit@@lanhnhusuong8583
3:53 "If anything happens to my daughter or that little girl..."
That little girl 7 years later: *"DO IT, AJ!"*
Seeing AJ dump half a mag in Lilly was amazing.
you mean the wrong choice?
Larry reminds me of how my dad used to be when he had rage issues but he did get better after admitting it was a problem
My headcanon is that if Larry survived he would have died during the raid.
Like I imagine him trying to help or convince Lily to get in the van and maybe he gets killed or mortaly injured by bandits. That would make the next scene where Lily interrogates Ben and shoots Carley/Doug more believable since she just lost her father and is in great shock.
Larry should have died sacrificing himself to save Clem, maybe Duck, but Clem would have been way more impactful since his character revolves around pushing Lee's buttons in particular. Plus, he even mentioned that if Lee hurts Clem in any way, he'll kill him.
people somehow mistake a character being a evil person with bad writting
@@DRAYARETURN or mistake them being evil because of a perspective bias and actions being villainous to lees/players perspective of being left behind to die in the store
Since we’re playing as Lee and caring for clementine
It’s hard to truly empathize with other characters in the game who actions would make them labeled as evil or cowardly or stubborn and etc etc
But don’t look to approach the game in many first gameplays objectively until they either replay em or watch vids like this
Larry to me isn’t evil
He’s simply a bigot old stubborn asshole
But it doesn’t mean he’s entirely evil since he cares for Lilly and shows concern for clementine so he isn’t a complete cold psychopath since he has people he cares about.
It’s often thoses with a hard exterior that have the warmest hearts since they deeply care the hardest
Had Larry be given a good redemption arc from the writers that would’ve added such more complexity and in depth aura to the universe telltale had in their earlier seasons
@@YTCProductionsI think a larry redemption arc would be interesting
I understand why though it can be hard to look at something you hate criticality and most consumers aren't the best at looking at characters in the more critical writing stand point.
@@charsage1036 Abby from tlou2 is a good example
Literally nobody does that.
Fun fact, Larry and Lee were being considered to be characters in Poker Night at the Inventory 2. Larry even has written dialouge. The game also has covers of music from the game.
@@twinzzlers Why the hell weren’t they? Pretty sure way more people would’ve bought that game if they were there.
@MATAX5 For alot of reasons, one is that the game was making people cry and Lee's story is very emotional. An other is that people genuinely hated Larry so it'd take alot to make him likable at the Poker Table.
And this is just a guess but Lee is too normal to work in Poker Night, and Larry's entire character would of had to be overhauled.
@@twinzzlers They should’ve just taken the risk… Imagine a poker night with Larry, Lee, Carley and Kenny! Maybe even Molly! That would’ve been epic!
As much as I hate Larry he never deserved to get his head caved in by Kenny it's quite a shame would have loved an alternative option where he survives if you save him and he saves Clementine
I mean Lilly said herself that they’re were instances where pilles didn’t help him and they had to bring him to a hospital I highly doubt that he would’ve survived at all
@@PerfectCell937 if you help lilly he starts breathing again so there was a chance
I disagree, the guy who complains about liabilities and quick to leave others was done by his own actions. There was no way he would survive long enough without his pills.
@@PramkLuna which we had plenty off in the motel he only died cause he was killed after he was trapped by the brothers
@@freezasama5802 yeah I’m calling bullshit just watched it and nowhere is it seen that he was breathing at all
Something I really disliked about Larry was how telltale formulaic he was. No matter how nice Lee is to him, he'll treat him the same: You can give him food at the lodge, take his side about Duck etc. and he'll still hate Lee (This is without mentioning how Lee gets him his heart meds).
Larry is example of people forgetting a character can be good because they are hateable because well its hard to think criticality of something you hate.
The fact that we are still discussing these characters even after all these years warms my heart as a Walking Dead fan. I can’t wait for you to discuss more characters for this franchise. Do you plan on covering any Comic or Show characters in the future or will it strictly be Telltale Walking Dead characters?
For now just the telltale series since i'm more familiar with the games more than the show/comics
2:02 famous last words...
Its funny that if im not wrong his actual last words are "im planning on sticking around long after you're gone!"
His last words were, "I'll break the damn door down! Aaaagh... oh god."
The one thing I hate about Larry is that no matter how nice you are to him, he still treats you badly. Even if you agree with him about Duck being bitten, he acts nice towards you for a bit but when you try to leave the drug store full of walkers, he punches you and leaves you there.
That would probably make him less trusting, he knows lees a killer so him immediately agreeing to indirectly kill one of the children he brought to the drug store would probably make Larry even more sure of how dangerous he is.
@majinxx6272 I'd agree if it weren't Larry's idea in the first place.
Plus, Larry really only seems to care about himself and Lily surviving . Can't say I blame him but still
@@chrisriley2321 When he was threatening Lee, he made sure to include Clementine, demanding that he take care of her. He still mainly cares for himself & Lilly, but it's interesting that he also throws in Clementine's safety, as well.
@@MrRAGE-md5rj yeah. I bet he believes her parents are dead already and turned into Walkers
true until you remember that in the game, you're a convict.
I never thought about the whole lee vs larry thing from larry perspective everything he does kinda makes sense
Yeah but his execution was horrible
Maturing is realizing that characters u dont like or agree with can still be great characters
That depends when they are still unlikable. Regardless, he still tried and threaten to harm two kids.
Larry had to die otherwise the whole situation with Lilly going bonkers couldn’t occur. Would be a massive butterfly effect
And would also change Season 4 final villain
The way i looked at larry as a 13 year old kid playing the game at first in 2012 was hes a racist bigot but now as a 25 year old man
That wasnt the case
Some of what larry did has some merrit since he knew on a surface level that Lee was a convicted killer and didnt make the time to get to know Lee and see the context of why he did what he did Since hes a former marine he has that morality and principles towards others of the old world about killers and criminals
And seeing a girl with lee and thinking about his own daughter lilly would put anyone on edge and remain skeptical to a high alert about a convicted killer In the group
Problem with Larry was he wasnt able to see beyond the grey with other people in the apocalypse and lived in a survival mindest of shoot now ask questions later kind of thing especially with a little girl and his daughter around
and because it was during the earliest months of the apocalypse
Its often the hardest so people dont have the time and luxury of living and getting to know one another in depth unless you lived in a community settlement like Alexandria or Commonwealth for examples
Since most are in survivalist mode
And rather be safe than sorry if it means doing immoral things to keep their loved ones safe and in this case his daughter Lilly
Especially if on surface a convicted killer
Is in your presence
Either way I still think he’s a stubborn bigot
But he’s not completely heartless
I think since he cares for Lilly and had concern for clementine
Good observation. I love that a good discussion can still happen 14 years later after the release of a game
Well said. He was a good demonstration of a realistic character that I personally loved how genuine he was
nah he is heartless. Dude wanted to bash Duck's head in before his mom even had a chance to finish checking him for bites. It takes a while to turn, she had plenty of time to check him for bites. Then he even mocks duck depending on which choice you picked. Then he tells Carly that she shold've let the group die. And even after he's been with Lee for months he's still an ass even if you side with him every time. Even if he never made the time to talk to Lee he still should've gotten the hint that Lee wasn't his enemy. The fact that Lee never did anything to hurt them after all this time and went out of his way to save Larry's life in episode 1 should've told him something. The fact that Lee even came in with Clem when he didn't have to should've told him something. Also, he read the story, he should've know that this was a crime of passion and not some premeditated thing.
@@JoeDirtisawsome Underneath the bridge, tarp has sprung a leak
And the animals I've trapped have all become my pets
And I'm living off of grass, and the drippings from my ceiling
It's okay to eat fish 'cause they don't have any feelings
I cant believe this game is 12 years old
The fact that he warned Lee to not hurt Lilly or clementine was what convinced a lot of people 😂 he barely knew clementine but still was ready to get on Lee to defend her
8:15 "We let one in you stpuid shits!" had me laughing harder than I should've LMAOOO
You should do Lily, in my opinion she’s been beaten down abit too much. Of course she’s not a saint and is not a good person per say, but during episode 3, you can see Lily being broken and becoming a mess, she even admits it as well. I’ve seen playthroughs villainizing Lily as well (apart from s4, that’s all on her). From an outside perspective, Lily and Larry are the only ones who have within their family. Lily does defend Larry in the best she could and also acknowledges his flaws, I think in a character she does reflect of a person going through grief with an almost never ending stress of survival and loss.
ignoring what lilly says about larry in season 4 (since its a whole new team and we dont know if it was intended by the onces from season 1) i always found myself feeling pity for him (more so if you include his deleted scene where as he is dying he apologizes for not bein able to protect his daugther and wife)
i always felt like as stuck up as he is in his ways, he would eventually turn himself around.
he was a really valuable asset of the group, as he was by far the strongest, lifting a couch without a problem to fortify the gas station despite his age, while someone like ben struggled a lot
as well as being able to knock out lee with one punch.
while his first actions are despicable, he does have a point
it was the first days of the outbreak, and having seen what an infected can do, he was in the right about being afraid of duck, sure, he jumped to an awful conclution way too fast, but you can see how a hardened veteran focused on protecting his daugther at all cost would come to that, as horrible as it is.
his choice to leave Lee for dead meanwhile is much easier to understand, i mean, HE IS a murderer, and met him that very same day, just because someone is nice at first, does not mean you should lower your guard (Hershel in the comics learned this the hard way after one of the seemingly helpful convicts kills some of his daugthers) for all he knew, lee could be a psycopath just waiting for a perfect chance. having a little girl who is not his with him does not help either.
closer to his last appearance larry has calmed down a lot, sure he is still an asshole, but that is about it, he clearly has grown slightly more attached to the group, and would probably have eventually softened up towards the end of the season if he made it further (even if there just is no way he would make it in savvanah)
i find larry to be a lot like season 2 kenny, and perhaps even shane from the show, just a lot older and grumpier than them
you dont have to like him, by all means he is an asshole, and you have a lot of reasons to dislike him, but at the end of the day you can understand him, which is what makes a character good.
"since its a whole new team and we dont know if it was intended by the onces from season 1" well in season 1, you have the option to say that Larry is racist.
oh yeah, its implied he may have been one, not outright said, but it is implied it could totally be one of the reasons he is against lee. personally i buy it, still does not change much of my perspective since characters like Merle in the tv show were just like that yet they get to redeem themselves....crazy how in the zombie apocalypse you forget about just how shitty certain traits are.
what i mostly meant is that in the last season Larry was implied to have been a total shit father, like straight up abusive and horrible, which while not unbelivable, strikes me as simplifying his character for a very much black and white perspective just to give the game's villain a bit of extra pity points
10:11 I was too worried about stopping Clementine from eating human flesh to worry about letting Larry eat it. When I saw that guy with his legs chopped off in the closet and realized what was happening I ran down the stairs and was like. “CLEMENTINE NOOOOOOOOOO!!!” Flying across the table, lol!
I always saw Larry as a Kenny who never trusted Lee. Lots of simmilairities.
THE MEAT THING IS INSANE IVE NEVER WATCHED A PLAYTHROUGH OR DONE A RUN WHERE LEE MAKES LARRY EATS IT MY JAW IS ON THE FLOOR
Honestly I always side with Lily and Larry the first 3 episodes. They are disagreeable but they are pragmatic, something far more valuable especially early in the apocalypse. I always saw Lily's side of the traitor argument and was disappointed once I found out she never stays with the group. I was so happy to see her in the final season, and letting her leave Clementine on the raft with doubt in her eyes after all that she has done left me at my happiest. To have an impact on one of my favorite characters in a series well known in forcing outcomes.
He's a a-hole, but he's supposed to be so it doesn't make him badly written
A lot of the hate towards larry comes from people seeing the option to call him a racist and them thinking that it confirms he is a racist when he in no way at all actually shows any racist tendencies
Frankly tbh, Larry concern in regards about Lee is justified, people tend to assume Larry is racist towards Lee. Which i believe is not the case, as his concern is the Lee is a well known guy *"THAT KILLED"* a state senator and he probably saw Lee on Newspapers and on TV. Lets take our bias on our support for Lee out of the equation out for a second and think of him as just a guy we saw on TV and see him as a convicted felon. We will be concerned for our love ones safety at all times.
What im saying how would you feel if you find yourself in a group, and one of those people in your group is well known killer Ted Bundy who was being sent to jail and somehow escaped and ended up in your group and you know who his is, well thats what Larry is. It didn't help Larrys case that he was always angry, aggressive, and short tempered all the time. But i think if the situation was different and there ain't no apocalypse and Lee ain't a convict Larry could be a different person in our eyes.
My MAN hitting it out of the park showing others why these guys are greatly written and most importantly UNDERSTANDABLE.
6:34
Ok but when Lee tells Kerry about his past he isn't even mad, just will ask him whether he was convicted for touching kids.
10:13 Sweet transition lol.
thanks lol was debating whether or not to include it
People hate on the mean characters but you make sense. Larry, Lilly, etc. They are just extremely well written and that's why I like them. So ehat if they say bad things or what not. It's who they are and that's unique. So yea Larry is pretty unique
One thing I do agree with you on, is Larry having a little more screen time would've been nice. I thought about this a little while ago, and I think it would've helped sell the idea that choices in the game carry weight. The devs could've killed him off in the next episode if they really wanted to. His voice actor was credited in Long Road Ahead despite him being dead, suggesting he could've lived longer and the idea was scrapped last minute.
How I would've done Larry living longer is have the choice to give CPR carry weight. If you perform CPR and get enough compressions in, he lives. Him living could get Kenny some hate, but I'd balance it with a dialog option to defend him a little: "In Kenny's defense, if we were wrong, then we would've all died." Maybe have Larry be pissed about Lee existing near him, but have Lilly tell him on or off screen that Larry is alive because Lee helped him. Lee and Larry talk on the walk back to the motel, and Larry gets a "wow, what an a-hole I've been this whole time" moment. Larry apologizes for being a dick, shows some gratitude, and is nicer and more helpful to Lee.
In Long Road Ahead, Larry offers Lee help for some task, maybe even has a few dialog options. Larry helps fight when the bandits attack, maybe throw in a scene of Larry saving Lee: Lee chambers a dud while eye to eye with a bandit, Larry takes the shot and saves Lee. At some point Larry is shot by a bandit, and is swarmed by walkers before he can escape. Larry has a little more screen time, the character change could be interesting, his more recent death would sell Lillys breakdown more, and it helps with the "choices carry weight" aspect. From a story telling standpoint, the only drawback is it would make it harder to write the wedge in the group part in Long Road Ahead. That was due to Larry's death, and it would be harder to sell it if he is still alive. Even then, I think it could be worked around.
They could never make me hate you Larry 🙏
Yeah
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Facts. Larry was a easy favorite that season for me
I don't seem why people always tend to forget that Larry, besides Carley in Episode 1 knowing that Lee is an supposed convict killer.
They didn't know Lee's POV or what really went down to lead to it.
These videos have been absolute HEAT bro, keep up this momentum homie
Cant blame him, Lee is a convicted murderer who killed his wifes lover. He is trying to protect his daughters safety as this is early into the apocalypse, they didnt know everyone turns and how walkers work.
Can we just mention that Lee is a passion killer, and not a murderer....I was so frustrated when they kept calling him a murderer as if he was just slaughtering random people for the love of it....He did what he did due to passion, so freaking out about why he was going to prison makes no sense, literally more understandable than scary.
Larry was honestly stupid in how he behaved. In a world where friends and allies are short to come by, you don’t get anywhere with being hostile and aggravating to everyone.
Tbh you deserve so many more followers and stuff like i was suprised that u only have 982 subs. Keep up the good content :D
This is less on the video unfortunately and more on the people in the comments, because I see this video’s point flying RIGHT over everyone’s heads with some of these responses:
“Larry should have had a redemption arc-“
“Larry should have been written to be more sympathetic-“
“Larry was an old bigot-“
No. No. And no. You are all completely missing the point of Larry’s character. Larry isn’t an antagonist just because he’s a massive pile of shit; despite the stunt he pulled at the drug store, he is a continuous part of the group after that and mostly cooperates with them. And being an asshole to Lee doesn’t make him a bigot, that’s all the Season 4 retconning that was insisted on by entirely different writers; he hates Lee because Lee is a convicted felon, it has nothing to do with his race (especially when Clementine is biracial and Larry threatens to kill Lee if anything happens to her, plus him saving Lee if he’s given the axe).
Larry is functionally perfect the way he is as a character because he’s not MEANT to be sympathetic. The whole challenge of interacting with Larry’s character in the game is asking the question of “Eye for an Eye” or “Turn the Other Cheek”. Larry is YOUR ally, regardless of how much or little he does in your playthrough and how much of an asshole he is, so how do you choose to treat him if he’s constantly reacting negatively?
And finally, Larry having a “redemption arc” or being “sympathetic” goes against his character. In a group of wildly different people forced to be together in the apocalypse, in a situation where they otherwise would have NEVER met, it’s a boring dynamic when everyone is kumbaya and easily agrees on what to do next, and it really kills the severity of a situation if everyone’s on the same page. Look at how the tension of Lilly vs Kenny was when you try to figure out if it’s safer to stay put or hit the road. No opposing force makes for a bland story, and the OG writers knew this.
(Also extra note, it’s very hard to find but Larry IS sympathetic if you analyze all the clues and dialogue).
I actually really enjoyed Larry, thought he was pretty funny honestly.
The fact that you can hate him (or understand him i don't think anyone reslly likes him) is what makes him a good character. A good character is just a character that you can have a connection with. You don't HAVE to relate to them or even like them, but if you form any kind of connection, even hatred, then the character is a good character
He’s a good character and it’s fun to hate him
I always thought he was an antithesis to dale in the main series. Dale was always knowledgeable and personable Larry is quick to judge and antagonize people.
I don't hate Larry for being a hatable character, i hate Larry because he died too soon, bro could have been a good character to debate up atleast chapter 4 or 5, it's kinda stupid to side with Larry at the start, and end up in a grudge against Kenny from chapter 3 onward because so, Larry living up later would have made him a way cooler character
Larry was an asshole, but he was an asshole with some heart. I guarantee his daughter would NOT have become the villain of the Final Season if he made it further into the apocalypse. That’s more than can be said for a LOT of characters in any version of TWD.
Funny thing is, I honestly thought he was gonna be Lee’s archenemy for the entire season at first based on the color of Lee’s dialogue vs his being blood red.
There is no world where Larry makes it more than 20 minutes in savanna
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Finding out EVERYONE was infected seems like a good opportunity to talk to him.
Like, I could ask about what he'd want to do? Would he want lily to be pulled away? If she can't be, how would he want lily's situation to be handled? And maybe suggest similar planning for my own death in terms of clem, because I would love to be INVOLVED in the planning, rather than shut out with aggression like what he tried to pull.
The only people that would say Larry is a bad character are people that don’t understand story points in writing. A bad character is someone that doesn’t push the story forward in any way. The point of Larry as a character takes full sense once Kenny gives you the opportunity to kill him since it’s something that follows his conscience for the rest of the season, even up to episode 5 where he says they’ll be met with another Larry situation if they don’t do anything about Lee. Honestly, not a single character from Season 1 feels useless. Even Chuck, who arguably had the smallest screen time of any minor character, pushed the narrative forward by getting Lee to teach Clementine how to survive.
I think larry and lilly were some ball drops just from the stand point that i think it would be interesting to see a redemption ark for him as a option and i feel the developers wrote around the fact the majority of fans liked kenny more then Lilly so she just runs away not finnishing her plot
He wants to kill Duck because he could potentially hold down the whole group and get them all killed however ironically enough Larry is a far worse safety hazard with his medical issues and him being an old man funny how he seeks out the best for his daughter yet cant even acknowledge the fact that he himself is a burdern not only to his daughter but the rest of the group
“We’ll dig one hole” ngl that was pretty cold of Larry
I don't think anyone hates or thinks the character is bad. They just hate what he does naturally
He is an excellent antagonist.
Larry cares about one thing and that is his daughter, damn anyone else. He shows that at every opportunity. Even the slightest risk to her and hes up in arms and genuinely willing to kill.
Hes got anger issues and so pretty much anyone that isnt lily he doesnt care to try to make friends with them. Thats living like Larry🤷♂️
I don’t know what Larry did to you , but personally he tried to leave me to die after I saved his life, and threatened and was hostile to me for no reason🤔
I like that people here try to redeem him but I personally don’t agree
I fucking love Larry
Makes you wonder why Larry & Lily didn't just stay by themselves. Nobody in their right mind would've wanted to be around him lmao.
While I've always liked Larry, it's basically confirmed in season 4 that the only real reason he hates Lee is because he's racist, which is incredibly stupid and an awful writing decision, and makes Larry, and Lilly to an extent, a bland character villian wise
I think i remember that, shit is stupid. If he was racist, why would he threaten to kill lee if something happened to clementine? Furthermore why would he save lees life when the teacher/student turned? (you have to give larry the axe instead of mark). Dogshit
Terrible retcon
yeah and that doesnt make sense when he says at the star "if anything happens to my daughter or that little girl you have with you" like if he was a racist then he shouldnt have cared about Clem in the first place. it was such a dumb decision to make him only hate lee cause Larry was racist.
I mean they already hinted at this in episode 1 when they gave you the option to say that he's racist. And when you call him racist, he doesn't even deny it. All he says is "what are you gonna do about it". Larry also called Lee "boy" multiple times. A white man calling a black dude in his late 30's a boy in the south has a lot of historical racist connotations.
@@DarkKeybladeMaster23 it does make sense. Being racist doesn't mean you have to hate every single person that isnt from your race. It's more nuanced than that. You can hate one race and be cool with others, and you can hate the majority of a race as a whole but make exceptions for some. Then there are people who hate dark-skinned black people more than lighter skinned biracial people. Some people do believe that certain minorities are the "good ones". I've encountered this myself. When I was growing up, I was told by some of the white kids at my school that I was "one of the good ones" And that they thought I was cool that I was part white. My mom told me that my sister's friend's father said something similar. Then there are people who make racist statements about minorities when they're currently dating a member of that minority. Larry probably saw Clem as "one of the good ones" since she was still a little girl and reminded him of Lily..
Him being racist is the only other reasonable explanation. Larry is a jerk to you no matter what you do. Lee risked his life to save Larry, but he still punched him in the face. Lee was part of the group for months, and Larry never changed the way he treated Lee. Yes, Lee was a convicted killer, but Larry saw the story. He should've know that it was a crime of passion instead of some premeditated plot. Lee proved time and time again that he wasn't a threat to the group, but Larry still hated him.
I mean in a way I understand Larry's reaction in the drugstore, I'd of been sus of some kid covered in there guts
I mean if you hate the villan they did their job right?
Something in Season 4, was a little more background was given to Larry, being he was a strict father, maybe even harsh to Lilly when she was a kid, I think it makes him a little more interesting, though its unknown if he was a jerk cause that's just how he is, or he was strict cause he cared for Lilly
I think Larry is fine being an antagonist but the only part of writing issues that bothers me is no one confronts Larry about his attempt to kill Lee after he just saved him from his heart problem as thanks. Even if Larry did tell the whole group about Lee’s past everyone would just see Larry as a hypocrite and he should’ve either been kicked out of the group along with Lilly or executed for his betrayal.
Everytime I have played this game. I couldn't bring myself to kill him and would always help Lilly.
9:16 that shit was funny as hell 😂
Yes! Woah! Thank you man it’s great to hear it!
I think it’s ironic that Larry was protective of Clem and then 8 years later Clem and AJ kill his daughter.😅😅😅
I haven’t even watched the video yet and I agree
Never ever knew there was a scene of Larry apologizing to Kenny over accusing Duck of being bitten
These video essay things are pretty high quality. You deserve more subs👍
Thank you!🙏
I also love how he isn’t PURE evil, he’s an asshole and will do evil shit. But you could see where he’s coming from.
He doesn’t just do it for himself too. He values the group’s survival.
“We’ll dig one hole” is craaaazy work 💀
10:11 "subtle foreshadowing"
I wish there was a world where telltale could go back and do some expansionpack /DLC's to these games where you get divergences in the story. For example, all the time skips in season 1 you could add content in between those time skips that change characters behavior later on down the line. Let's say in this extra content you get a decision which makes you closer to Lilly and Larry, so that when Kenny is planning on killing him, you instead restrain Kenny while Lilly does CPR and Larry's able to survive for at least another episode or more, Perhaps changing Lilly's character and destiny greatly in Season 4. The great thing about that is that there's only 3 seasons that necessarily will be affected since Season 3 has a nearly completely different cast.
Larry: I plan to be around long after you’re gone
*Dies a few minutes later*
Lee: Bruh
Kenny: You might want to rethink your plan.
Always loved Larry and was bummed he died. He was absolutely hilarious and one of the most realistic characters in the game. Not everybody has to be a lovey dovey nice guy
Really enjoying these TWD character videos, keep em coming.
i just wanna say that i love any videos related to twdg so.. keep it up! it'll probably get in my reccomended
Did kenny almost get to play poker with GlaDos from portal?
Idc what anyone says Larry was entertaining as shit.
Same. People stay hating over good characters
We need more character breakdowns
Lee was a convicted murderer, Lee isn't totally racist, he was trying to protect clem too. He had good reason to think Duck was bitten, his daughter and several other people were at risk because of him.
I always understood Larry being an asshole. Literally the only soft spot he had was his daughter. It's understandable he was never going to warm up to a convicted killer.
I can hear the uncle ruckus music already
I will never NOT laugh at Larry's "Shut up, Lily! And YOU shut The FUCK UP!" with those facial expressions
Larry was funny af his dialogue was hilarious
In my playthrough I of course thought he was a big meanie stinky pants, but the longer I thought about his character and his perspective, he makes sense as a character. I too would have liked a branch in the story if Lee and Lilly actually helped him and he was with the group even after the farm to see him interact with lee later on and maybe even learn more about him, though that's when telltales style of gameplay ruins it as no matter what Larry dies, either Doug or Carla dies, Ben dies. I still love the first season to death as much as anyone else but when you look back at it with thoughts of what if, the game could have been even more expansive. But to be fair telltale was probably small and had hard working conditions at the time.
Season 1 was amazing with it's writing and characters
all honesty I did not care about Larry knowing what I did . let me explain this man had whole time to give lee the finger & told the group but he wanted to be on some petty high school drama nonsense. I had no shame letting this man die because your messing with the wrong 👿
a lot of ppl do essays on kenny, so i wanted to see you cook, and you did
I think Larry is more nuanced than being the aggressive dick who only cares for his daughter, he's a pragmatist, his concern is primarily for the group, he doesn't want new group members because they present a potential threat to the existing group, he exclusively advocates for throwing Duck out, not the entire group and only because he believes he's bitten, pay close attention, he doesn't advocate for throwing everyone in Lee's group to the walkers, even Lee despite knowing about his past. The fact that he apologises if Lee responds rationally to his claims shows that beyond that he is still a fair man, he does it begrudgingly, but he does acknowledge he was wrong.
In addition to this, he prioritises the group, but he isn't without care for the individual, even when threatening Lee at the motor inn, he expresses that while he doesn't care about Lee, it does matter to him if anything happens to Clementine, which in his defense, Lee never offers him an ounce of gratitute for lookong out for Clementine, no matter how you play. He does also come to Lee's rescue if you give him the axe, showing that he does at the very least recognise Lee as a valuable enough asset to the group to save him, and his responses do seem to be more mellow if you pick the less antagonistic choices. For example, when hunting with Mark any of the other three dialogue choices will have Larry respond with indignity to the less than honest responses, but if you acknowledge that he's just looking out for his daughter, he simmers down pretty quickly when the argument breaks out by the fence, and there are even several discussions at the dairy farm where Larry is even outright civil and I'd say even a little chatty with Lee if the right dialogue is selected.
I agree though, Larry is a brilliant character, he's quite rightly detestable, but pay close enough attention to him and you can completely understand him.
I also agree that he dies a little too early, BUT if it were up to me, I'd have made the existing deaths for him still potential endings for him, so;
If Larry has a heart attack you can still choose to kill him or help resusutate him, either option resulting the way they already do.
But also have a series if dialogue options where Lee can successfully talk Larry down from wasting his energy on the meat locker's door, Lilly then doesn't get mad at you for not helping and Kenny has no reason to be mad at you for not killing him, resulting in a more co-operative effort from everyone, so immediately after you grab Andy's gun, Kenny, Larry and Lilly all help fight him off, the ending Larry ends up with this time is that instead of Lilly saving you from the electric fence, Larry does it, finally seeing Lee as someone to trust and sacrifices his own life to do it, that way the rest of the story plays out the way it otherwise would in later episodes, but Larry gets that extra bit of character development and a sort of mini, pseudo-redemption arc.
His death was actually ironic now that I think about it