Dan Martin, PGA The CLUB SHOULD PULL YOU Heres how.
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Dan's enthusiasm for explaining the concepts he's figured out is infectious and inspiring.
That is very insightful, Nha. He is an enthusiastic teacher, the best sort of coach to be when imparting any skill. Dan blends the science and athletic movement brilliantly. Brendon, brings this out of Dan via their interaction. Its just a wonderful 20 minutes between two golf addicts who articulate the verbally illusive concept nugget by nugget.
I've watched it five times since this morning.
@@charlesgallagher7371 I agree!
This is fascinating - basically the opposite of everything we've heard for years about "lag" and it makes much more sense. I haven't got a "Pro" but if I swing a club with the feeing of "keeping the rope straight" it illustrates that I have spent years trying to lever the clubhead into place instead of swinging it. The pro produces a more natural swing and eliminates the sense of leverage.
Brilliant stuff Brendan, your work ethic and determination have produced a great channel for all of us continually searching for golfs holy grail.
Dan the man! Love the golf swing chat, you’re clearly passionate about it and it shows! Thanks Brendon for all this incredible insight, I’ve worked on a lot of Milo lines teaching principles lately and it’s really helped with the effortless power. Dan’s momentum ideas remind me of malaska and Milo but Dan has explained and showed this fundamental very well with “the pro” 👏🏻
I've been watching Dan's stuff for a few weeks now and it has given me that, "ah hah moment" in my swing. His theory is proven by tests that have been done on tour pros using GEARS. Those tests show that maximum excelleration peaks in the top third of the swing for tour pros. It feels to me like you fling your arms off the your chest at the top, then just let them swing free and loose letting them pull you through the finish.
Awesome concept. Super hard to figure out. I play with one guy who swings so smooth and he just destroys the ball. Never looks like he swing hard, just a great tempo and the ball just goes
Dan walks his talk...his slo-mo swing captures a catapult motion. He communicates (in this and other videos) the concept of angular momentum the best I ever heard. Thanks Dan, and you too Brandon for bringing Dan to my attention!
This goes back to a theory I really subscribe to by Ernest Jones (1950's teach with one leg) and his mentee Manuel De La Torre - "just swing the clubhead". They also have a training device which was a weight tied to a string, kind of just like this! I was reading a scientific breakdown of the forces (like a trebuchet) and the most efficient and powerful swing scientifically is one using centrifugal force which is advocated here too! Really nice to see old age theories getting confirmed by modern teachings and teachers! @Brendan if you fancy the link to the blog/research piece I was talking about let me know and I will send it to you! It's a very interesting reading, also mentions the relaxed wrist release much like the Milo Lines videos you did previously too, very very good content and work in this Covid time. Much appreciated and keep up the good work!
A kerchief and a penknife tied to the end was Ernest Jones’ training aid which he had his students swing and keep it taut.
Your swing device reminds me of Ernest Jones who had his students swing a kerchief and penknife to feel their hands creating the swinging motion. They had to keep the kerchief taut. Bob Toski and Davis Love, Jr. mentioned this drill in their book, “How To Feel A Real Golf Swing”.
This early momentum then ride it is very like Overhand Golf/Holy Grail content,
Exactly, the spot on the ground where Overhand golf teaches the golfer to direct the force is very similar. Maximizing momentum before impact rather than post impact makes more sense. If a person were to blend the use of The Pro with the Overhand Golf concept it might be truly the aholy Grail.
Yea I’ve seen a few of his videos and the concept is identical to this. Would be worth getting Brendan’s view on his videos
@@Frazer20 I think both concepts are concluding the same thing. One is feel and the other intent
Overhand golf's visual are truly amazing. always so hard to bring a training aid feel to real but the holy grail as a visual is designed for real swings. More visual "intents" like that are needed in golf.
This is flat out brilliant. The more I watch this, and practice the "feel" in my living room, I can't help but think of Vijay Singh's swing.
Dan Martin is the Gary V in golfing. Can’t believe I just seen this video and never heard of him. Dan new fan of your teachings
Gary V applies the same principles of angular momentum in social media. Same deal. It's his deal Wade. "WAde, Wade, it's, it's my deal here." Gerry Lundergaarde .. Fargo
Both of you are talking about actually transferring momentum from the handle of the club to the club head which actually begins at the top of our downswing; and not, at the shallowing end of our downswing swing where many of us tend to “throw the club head away”. When we throw the club away we actually slows the club head down prematurely before we complete our swing.
The idea with the Pro is never stopping the pushing motion of the handle that transfers to the equal and yet opposite pulling motion of the club head.
If your body knows how to push a kid on a swing it also knows how to push the handle of a golf club at the transition of your downswing and through to the finish of your swing.
Trust me the ‘Pushing’ of the handle at the top of your downswing will repels the club head causing it to pull on your hands. The club head pulling on your hands as you equally push the handle with both hands automatically creates the desired lagging of the club head at impact and through to the finish of your swing.
It’s that simple as long as both your wrists must remain passive and unlocked throughout your entire swinging of the club. Cheers
So Tom your are pushing the handle starting from the top of backswing all the way to the finish of the swing?
Does this mean we should be thinking about getting clubs with higher swing weights or should not that matter?
Awesome stuff! It ties into what you're done recently with Drew Cooper and
Dr. Kwon.
Brilliant... I have used the Orange Whip for years but this is another step up in real feel.
This guy is amazing. I boxed growing up and the best punches were thrown with loose but active arms. This makes so much sense to me, I can actually get into a way better impact position.
At 8:15 when Dan adds that speed the pro is very under control at the end of the motion. It's not running into his back with a lot of force or speed. Lot of similarity with the serve in tennis.
Great video, same path of angular momentum as the "Holy Grail" plane board videos that are out there. This works like magic, it is the only force you need, no 'hit', no late force added, just down the plane board about a foot or two down the shaft, straight at the ball-target line, never at the ball or target. The club does the rest following the laws momentum. Think "Holy Grail" of golf move or Mike Hebron teachings....
Good point. Same direction spot
Hey, great video, maybe tell Dan another good analogy for transfer momentum is like a figure skater when they spin really fast in place but skaters do in the opposite direction, arms to core. They swing arms and then put arms in close and they spin faster. Transfer momentum in golf is from body out... like flinging your arms with your core/body. Rotate core from the ground, that flings ur arm, goes in the club and you align it to strike the ball.
Spot on!
AR & Dan does this mean your downswing begins & is powered by the body turning from the ground up motion & that the actual speed of this motion will speed the arm & club movement?.
How do I square the clubface without hand action of some sort?
Thanks for your understanding of this swing momentum that I am trying to 'find' but I am just not quite there yet.
It’s like a playground swing, how you get momentum pulling back and forth. The sit takes its place to create momentum. It’s more like a momentum with your legs than a sit , because that thought can throw you off.
No pun intended.
Hi Brendan, your normal golf swing looks a little different than when you swing the Pro, I noticed it during normal speed & slow motion . . check it out!
Agreed. He has a tiny over the top move
Very Hogan like... this drill or device gives you the real feel of a natural swing if you let it happen instead of trying to make it happen 👏👏👏
7:12 More on this please. What adjustments need to be made to move the but of the club more forward at impact without ruining the timing of the momentum. Is it more hip rotation?
What I understand is... Do not try to move the butt of club forward, that's what Dan is saying and many other teachers - the handle forward is a consequence of other aspects of swing, in particular heavy relaxed shoulders, and good grip (firm) but with loose relaxed wrists. Don't try to do it, it will happen if you do the sequence and momentum transfer smoothly.
I think there's a bit of the hammer throw in this 'PRO' concept ...I like it
When you swing down are you looking at the first ball or the front ball?
line your self up swing the club while looking at the back ball
I always grab my 3, and 4 iron from my bag to get loose. The weight of swinging both clubs together gives me a real sense of effortless momentum. What's funny is, after swinging those two clubs 10-15 times, I ALWAYS hit a beauty on that first tee. Then, as the round goes on, I start trying to manipulate things. Why!!!!???? lol
I hear you...
If you want to confirm Dan’s hypothesis, get an Impact Caddie, which helps measure angular momentum speed at different resistances. Turn the resistance up high enough and the only way to get the desired sound effects is to use the principles Dan is teaching (I.e., max speed is in the first third of the downswing.)
@@donaudleman7469 Do you mean a Swing Caddy? What is an impact caddy?
Watch Zen Golf Mechanic videos and see the whole body work with a real club.
I have watched a few of those vids but I feel the format doesnt teach anything to the viewer. It's more like an advert to get you to go person. He has an interesting approach for sure
What's the feeling, is it a throw with the torso starting the action?
Keeping it wide at the top to give lots of room to throw?
No. The sit at the same time as the slight arrrow out of the quiver gets it started to straighten and the the rotation keeps it straight. Coupling with your yards ruins it
I purchased this product and fooled around with it last summer, but I didn't physically translate the concept. I watched Dan's videos but just did not interpret well, I suspect because I let a lot of interference in from swinging my Pro like my golf club instead of swinging my golf club like the Pro.
This video is the best one I have seen thus far on how to use the Pro; thanks to both of you for a superb discourse. And video.
Dan, when do you fly back to MIT?
Overhand Golf The Holy Grail does the best job of explaining how to correctly apply the initial direction of force. Takes all of the complexity out and changes your entire concept of how the club is moved.
For me it's been the hardest thing I've ever tried to learn in sports. All the crap lessons I've had, read and watched over the years about positions, transfer, movement etc are poison to a golf "swing". Now I'm just seeking that "feeling" of the club head pulling me through the swing. Teaching pro's will ruin you through analysis. Their way is maddening. Give a club to a 5 year old for the first time (with some guidance on how to place their hands) and watch them do it naturally.
5 year old! you are so correct.
Maybe I’ve missed it, but do you just not do round vlogs anymore?
Well look up his channel and see his vlog. And date.
Can you play golf - we've had two long lockdowns so no open club so no golf for months on end.
@@ChristopherDowning I play golf every weekend
@@robbiewhite2351 Wow lucky you. In the UK we got shut down from March 19th last year until something like June. Then we shut again from just after Christmas I think - so no golf at the moment at all till whenever lockdown finishes - say late April/or sometime in May - who knows? I thought California was the same - shut down?
Another UA-cam golf instructor, Paul Wilson, speaks of the experience all average golfers have of hitting a very small number of shots that seemed effortless but produced prodigious distances. Similar to what Dan is saying. They one time harnessed momentum but didn't grasp what they had done and couldn't reproduce it.
Best video yet guys...thanks
Yep Davis Love' father taught to 'drive a tent peg' that's positioned to the right of your right leg.
Where did you learn that?
This works! You should be shouting from a mountain top. Incredibly important. Great job!
The language of the body is not words. That is so profound. Did you come up with that or hear it somewhere?
really cool series with Dan
So glad I watched this
I'm going to try to make that device with a small boat float and an old grip.
Brenden is naturally doing that swinging motion while killing time that Malaska tells him all the pros do, and he’s not thinking about. Good product.
Two more things. 1. At 12:30, when you have the ah-ha moment, "Oh that felt great", after you pured the iron shot, I loved it. 2. From 16:30 to 18:50, when Dan is distilling down this concept it's essentially the follow on to a Pete Cowen video I saw on here. Cowen's thesis is "the club , as a result of gravity, wants to return to the address position, and our job is to Manage the Mass so the club is useful". Dan really brings it home. Getting up at 5:30am tomorrow to hit balls at Oak Creek, then 18 holes at Dove Canyon. Thanks, Brendon!
extensive quantity of momentum, check...
Good product. All u need is to tie a couple of tennis balls ( drill a hole in the tennis balls) to a rope. No golf grip needed, just hold onto rope.
Does lag just naturally happen?
Yes on the way down, the lag angle is built/completed at the top of the swing and the wrists are relaxed down and through the ball
Only good lag happens naturally :) often people get in more trouble working on lag
How heavy is the pro?
Like a small boxing glove
Helping People.
Jack Nicklaus said he felt like he “released” his club as early as possible in his swing.
@Cad Pro The point is don’t hold your “release” in an effort to create lag.
This quite in line with Milo and Mike. Let the momentum of the club pull yourself. At the moment I’m going trough similar process. Trying to pull the club instead of pushing the club. And keep moving through impact.
Let’s see how it translates into lag tension or “tow”
*THIS IS THE MOVE!!! So the sit INITIATES the swing and in a weird way ends it consciously the Trebuchet has been triggered and you're essentially a passenger by P4. No going back after this enlightenment.*
👀 When you see my swing you may have to rethink 😂
I was just thinking to myself "it's like a nunchuck" and then i see this.. cray
The exact opposite of “ learn without words” video
Way too much talk. The average golfer (and human) doesn't respond to this. Need more showing and way less talking.
"the laws of conservation of angular momentum...." LOLZ!
Angular momentum.. A J Bonar
The golfing machine
Just confused the hell out of me that what swinging a bit of string with a boxing glove tied to the end has to do with the golf swing I don't know
Rhythm
And how to feel and use the swinging forces to swing through the golf ball 👌
@@edwinchan6521 Rhythm , swinging forces !
A golf club has a solid shaft not a piece of string and as for rhythm , the weight of the club is heavier than a piece of string and doesn't collapse , just count in your head to help rhythm 🤔
Anyway stay safe folks .
Only trying to answer and help explain your question! As long as you have something that works for you that's what is most important
@@edwinchan6521 appreciate your comment i totally see where your coming from just my opinion on the device , just what i found .
Take care buddy 👍
Is this a rope bat ?
Dan has some good ideas but his attempted use of physics terms is just babble. And for Stefan Pete's benefit I taught Physics at a university level.And for Cad Pro state your qualifications and experience in physics. Go troll somewhere else.
Well it is pretty correct what he is saying. You just didn’t had physics at school. So you basically are not smart enough. That is ok.
Is this essentially what Marty Scheinblum teaches when he talks about the “no turn cast feel”. The cast part anyway. Looks like a great tool.
I don’t think so.
I thought it sounds very much like Monty's NTC move. But, Brendon, you disagree. I'd like to hear why you disagree if you don't mind explaining.
Sadly there must be more too it than this. Much more.
Is this a game changer, Brendan?
Everything is a game changer for Brendan... he's been getting game changers for the past 10 years and doesn't improve
@@bigheadgolf194 Too many cooks....
You actually put time into being negative. About a free golf video. Then wrote it down. Then posted it. Go get em bud 👍🏻
@@DC-ln8wp This channel is a decade of zero improvement... access to the best coaches on the planet... some people just don't "get it"
@@bigheadgolf194 Brendan is running a channel to give you access to many ideas. It’s up to you to take what you find relevant. If his true goal was to get better he wouldn’t have all these different coaches. But then he wouldn’t have the channel and we wouldn’t have access to all these different ideas.
What kind of teacher (style/method) is the best? Tiger proved that many different methods can win majors. It’s just a matter of the level of mastery you achieve in that method.
First! 🏆
I don’t understand the concept at all.
Think hammer throw.
@Cad Pro do you realize the type of hammer throw I refer to? It is similar; the centrifugal force. But never mind I do get how it works. My distance isn’t hurting.
Hey,,,, didn't Mike M say that you were allowing your hands to get further away from your body through impact! They actually go left, right? This aid is engraining that same flaw you know is bad for the shanks! Don't get foolish and get away from what works! Watch this video again and see it for yourself.
That one has gotten me thinking as well.. but I don't know.. doesn't it look like most pros let the hands travel further down the line, away from the body, at and after impact? I know Malaska, and others want them to travel around. Not really sure what to think about this one, but I personally is fighting this hands go around body thing. It doesn't feel right to me, at this point in time. But it's a very interesting concept.
No.... this tool is just for transition. In a real golf swing your whole body moves. And in general. This is not what is good for brendon. It is just an idea he is presenting. For some people it might help. Others not. Chill doen.