I suppose that would be good advice for any iron shot. Figure out where your low point is and place the ball where it simply gets in the way of the club.
Yes, but just remember to put the ball before the low point, not at it. Also, something not talked about very often, is that what your eyes are focused on is where you're likely to make contact (all else being equal).
Just to expand on something I said in a reply below, something not often discussed is that what your eyes are focused on is where you're most likely to make contact. For example, If you wanted to strike the grass at a particular point with the club face it's only natural to look at that exact spot and let your body do what comes naturally. It seems so obvious to many yet lots of golfers can't even tell you what part of the ball they're looking at, as they just have a general look at it before swinging. If you ever heard the phrase "aim small, miss small" referring to your target the same applies here. Understanding the strike point on the clubface and where you want the ball to make contact is important but so too is figuring out how your focus on a very small spot, letter, or even a single dimple can have a big effect on consistency. If you don't already do this than try experimenting with that pinpoint focus on small chips to start with and a ball position you typically feel comfortable with. Pick spots starting on one end of the ball, hit several shots, and take note of what happens. Then focus on a point in the center of the ball and do the same, filled by the opposite side of the ball. Now, if you really want to get nerdy, spray some foot powder on your clubface to see exactly where the ball is contacting it. If this is helping you then try focusing on something more towards each side of the ball as well with the same process, just to see what happens. It works for all clubs and has helped not only myself but a lot of others as well.
The more shallow techniques of Jason Day and Steve Sticker evolved as a result of turf conditions changing -- just as Ray Floyds steeper attack matched his turf (longer grass) conditions.
Guess I'll add my 2 cents. I'd say I use the wider, shallower approach where you don't lean the shaft and you utilize the bounce of the wedge (favored by many instructors like Parker McLachlin) about 75-80% of the time. To me it's easier to do because it's got greater room for error in controlling the low point that Luke discusses here. Just as importantly though, I feel it's the superior way to achieve consistent launch, distance, and spin. That said however, for certain lies or situations I do sometimes switch back to the more old-school "hinge and hold" approach. I don't think it has to be an all-or-nothing battle between the two main techniques.
Spieth is steep as is Scheffler but they both practice for hours and are hugely talented For everyone else I think a shallow AOA (like Day, Stricker) is best suited because it gives the golfer more room for error
Sort of seems after having read MANY opinions and comments on this that knowing how to do both then deciding which is best for YOU is the go. Golf has so many variables its very rarely one size fits all when it comes to technique
It's the same thing with pros and iron shots. They are moving their pressure towards the target as the club is still moving back. Moving their low point forward and ensuring ball-first contact. "Re-centering" is the swing buzzword du jour.
If you play on muni courses, grainy, or wet lies its important to make ball first contact. People are being taught shallow techniques because its supposed to build in some room for error, but when you get to anything other than perfect conditions and hit behind the ball you are in for a world of disaster. Getting the low point forward creates more consistency on chip shots and will improve everyone's game
"Hitting behind the ball" is a bit of a misconception with shallow techniques. You're brushing the grass behind the ball, not driving the club into the turf behind it. And teachers like Parker McLachlin teach adjustments to make to compensate for wet turf, Bermuda, into the grain lies, etc.
This a super interesting subject, I think this it what most would say and I understand. this has been the same for years and been taught, thus confusion. Theres the guy that says use the bounce, the one that says hit down or steep, the one that says ball first or low point after ball. Don’t like any of these but most are one or the other. All good ball strikers get shallow early. Unless in extreme cases. Please study the video closer Speith has ground contact before ball. I think this is very misunderstood in the industry, but no one seems dare to say it. I have strong beliefs here. In away both are right, good shallowing creates good low point. Shallow, glide, extension.
@@dwboston1 right but when people are struggling with chipping and are chunking the ball, a lot of bad instructors will say “oh you are too steep” but in reality the guy could be only a couple of degrees down and still hit chunks. Also like I said In the first sentence of my original comment, even if you aren’t “stabbing” the ground you still won’t have success hitting behind the ball on those types of lies.
@@treeman5648 @chriswaldron3413 well let's define shallow. What AOA is considered shallow? Yes good question, what defines shallow. I think we need to look at all data to understand this, many trackman guys look at numbers at impact, and will say good chippers hit -5 or even double figures at impact. I'm sure they know what they are talking about, however the numbers need to be tracked of the leading edge approaching the ball, that's why using yours eyes and using the visual is also important data and that if we talk about this, the lines should be perfect and correspond with the action of the club (Leading edge). For me shallow is the point where club is starting to level (Shallowed out) and the correct height at impact (4-5 Grove). Once we make contact it will then go down slightly. We can see in the Video of Speith how his club is level (Shallow) early, Then down a very short time then the club digs and the club virtually goes straight up. The cause being: He hits his chips with shaft learn and leading edge. We should track the whole motion and not just numbers at impact. Speith action is not a perfect circle. Please watch closely. Note this is not totally the same when he hits full shots, and varies depending on the shot.
Would you please do cam smith’s bunker technique? He plays it different to most. He’s the best bunker player in the world, I believe didn’t miss a single up&down in the whole Liv season.
Good suggestion. Check out our Cam Smith putting episode if you haven't seen it. Watch here: ua-cam.com/video/flAhY5k5M5w/v-deo.htmlsi=qKhPD8Sts17mhsUg
Like the video very interesting, however just to stir the pot a little. If we look closely your lines and Speiths angle of the attack are not the same, yes his low point is after the ball, but I believe that pretty much all good players shallow early even with the wedge. Low point and where we shallow out is not the same thing. I think we need new terminology Shallow, glide extension. Steep and hit down is terrible advice. I in fact challenge anyone to study your video or any video and see how pros get the leading edge low early. Speith has ground contact before the ball, when we shallow out early it has no effect on contact. When most try to get steep they then in fact take too much turf and hit it fat. As said great video, and understand the confusion but in someway there are both correct. When the club head gets shallow it creates shaft learn that creates low point after the ball. Although it’s moving down the club also moving up. Although Speith is more a digger than most so is Rahm.
Was that hovland arguing with mayo ? Short game is so varied. But studying Spieth short game is a very very good idea. Phil as well. Can’t study those two enough.
The angular difference between the angle of attack and the dynamic loft at impact. Sand wedge spins a lot, driver not so much. Think about a slicer that swings steep and over the top of the plane with driver, then the face is open to the path. The steep down with an open face is a high spin loft and short distance with lots of spin.
Steeper angle of attack does not necessarily mean low point moves farther forward. This seems a pretty basic fact that should probably be corrected in this video
Isn't that all just common sense; you shouldn't have to think about that. I mean, I think about very little when golfing, it's all just intuitive. I'm not doing advanced mathematics around the green, I'm not considering where my chest is on an iron shot. I don't see why everything has to be so tediously overanalysed.
This is so far off it's embarrassing, it shows a basic misunderstanding of what the bounce is for or even there, the evidence of the video is totally misinterpreted, Spieth hits behind that ball, blades the ball because hes too steep and gets away with it.
The thing is I cannot get over is when people rave on about this golfer and that golfers game but how many tournaments do they win not many and that includes Jordan for whom I like
Good video. But it literally could have been 30 seconds. Just say Mickelson is right about hinge and hold and link to the video tutorials he gives on the subject.
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I suppose that would be good advice for any iron shot. Figure out where your low point is and place the ball where it simply gets in the way of the club.
Yes, but just remember to put the ball before the low point, not at it. Also, something not talked about very often, is that what your eyes are focused on is where you're likely to make contact (all else being equal).
Just to expand on something I said in a reply below, something not often discussed is that what your eyes are focused on is where you're most likely to make contact. For example, If you wanted to strike the grass at a particular point with the club face it's only natural to look at that exact spot and let your body do what comes naturally. It seems so obvious to many yet lots of golfers can't even tell you what part of the ball they're looking at, as they just have a general look at it before swinging. If you ever heard the phrase "aim small, miss small" referring to your target the same applies here. Understanding the strike point on the clubface and where you want the ball to make contact is important but so too is figuring out how your focus on a very small spot, letter, or even a single dimple can have a big effect on consistency.
If you don't already do this than try experimenting with that pinpoint focus on small chips to start with and a ball position you typically feel comfortable with. Pick spots starting on one end of the ball, hit several shots, and take note of what happens. Then focus on a point in the center of the ball and do the same, filled by the opposite side of the ball. Now, if you really want to get nerdy, spray some foot powder on your clubface to see exactly where the ball is contacting it. If this is helping you then try focusing on something more towards each side of the ball as well with the same process, just to see what happens. It works for all clubs and has helped not only myself but a lot of others as well.
Nice, this will help me skull my chips more effectively!
The more shallow techniques of Jason Day and Steve Sticker evolved as a result of turf conditions changing -- just as Ray Floyds steeper attack matched his turf (longer grass) conditions.
Great video
It's always fun to watch James Ridyard's face during that exchange at the start.
Guess I'll add my 2 cents. I'd say I use the wider, shallower approach where you don't lean the shaft and you utilize the bounce of the wedge (favored by many instructors like Parker McLachlin) about 75-80% of the time. To me it's easier to do because it's got greater room for error in controlling the low point that Luke discusses here. Just as importantly though, I feel it's the superior way to achieve consistent launch, distance, and spin. That said however, for certain lies or situations I do sometimes switch back to the more old-school "hinge and hold" approach. I don't think it has to be an all-or-nothing battle between the two main techniques.
Spieth is steep as is Scheffler but they both practice for hours and are hugely talented
For everyone else I think a shallow AOA (like Day, Stricker) is best suited because it gives the golfer more room for error
That is the first comment that makes any sense, well said, even the clip shows Spieth getting away with driving the LE into the ground
@sausagembape677 👍🏻
Sort of seems after having read MANY opinions and comments on this that knowing how to do both then deciding which is best for YOU is the go. Golf has so many variables its very rarely one size fits all when it comes to technique
I own a lot of my chipping to Spieth.
I owe a lot of my chipping to the Keystone Cops
It's the same thing with pros and iron shots. They are moving their pressure towards the target as the club is still moving back. Moving their low point forward and ensuring ball-first contact. "Re-centering" is the swing buzzword du jour.
And the short game is totally different, which is why this is totally bollocks
If you play on muni courses, grainy, or wet lies its important to make ball first contact. People are being taught shallow techniques because its supposed to build in some room for error, but when you get to anything other than perfect conditions and hit behind the ball you are in for a world of disaster. Getting the low point forward creates more consistency on chip shots and will improve everyone's game
"Hitting behind the ball" is a bit of a misconception with shallow techniques. You're brushing the grass behind the ball, not driving the club into the turf behind it. And teachers like Parker McLachlin teach adjustments to make to compensate for wet turf, Bermuda, into the grain lies, etc.
This a super interesting subject, I think this it what most would say and I understand. this has been the same for years and been taught, thus confusion. Theres the guy that says use the bounce, the one that says hit down or steep, the one that says ball first or low point after ball. Don’t like any of these but most are one or the other. All good ball strikers get shallow early. Unless in extreme cases. Please study the video closer Speith has ground contact before ball. I think this is very misunderstood in the industry, but no one seems dare to say it. I have strong beliefs here. In away both are right, good shallowing creates good low point.
Shallow, glide, extension.
@@dwboston1 right but when people are struggling with chipping and are chunking the ball, a lot of bad instructors will say “oh you are too steep” but in reality the guy could be only a couple of degrees down and still hit chunks. Also like I said In the first sentence of my original comment, even if you aren’t “stabbing” the ground you still won’t have success hitting behind the ball on those types of lies.
@@treeman5648 @chriswaldron3413 well let's define shallow. What AOA is considered shallow?
Yes good question, what defines shallow. I think we need to look at all data to understand this, many trackman guys look at numbers at impact, and will say good chippers hit -5 or even double figures at impact. I'm sure they know what they are talking about, however the numbers need to be tracked of the leading edge approaching the ball, that's why using yours eyes and using the visual is also important data and that if we talk about this, the lines should be perfect and correspond with the action of the club (Leading edge). For me shallow is the point where club is starting to level (Shallowed out) and the correct height at impact (4-5 Grove). Once we make contact it will then go down slightly. We can see in the Video of Speith how his club is level (Shallow) early, Then down a very short time then the club digs and the club virtually goes straight up. The cause being: He hits his chips with shaft learn and leading edge. We should track the whole motion and not just numbers at impact. Speith action is not a perfect circle. Please watch closely. Note this is not totally the same when he hits full shots, and varies depending on the shot.
Would you please do cam smith’s bunker technique? He plays it different to most. He’s the best bunker player in the world, I believe didn’t miss a single up&down in the whole Liv season.
Good suggestion. Check out our Cam Smith putting episode if you haven't seen it.
Watch here: ua-cam.com/video/flAhY5k5M5w/v-deo.htmlsi=qKhPD8Sts17mhsUg
@ thanks!
Like the video very interesting, however just to stir the pot a little. If we look closely your lines and Speiths
angle of the attack are not the same, yes his low point is after the ball, but I believe that pretty much all good players shallow early even with the wedge. Low point and where we shallow out is not the same thing. I think we need new terminology
Shallow, glide extension.
Steep and hit down is terrible advice.
I in fact challenge anyone to study your video or any video and see how pros get the leading edge low early.
Speith has ground contact before the ball, when we shallow out early it has no effect on contact. When most try to get steep they then in fact take too much turf and hit it fat.
As said great video, and understand the confusion but in someway there are both correct. When the club head gets shallow it creates shaft learn that creates low point after the ball. Although it’s moving down the club also moving up. Although Speith is more a digger than most so is Rahm.
Was that hovland arguing with mayo ? Short game is so varied. But studying Spieth short game is a very very good idea. Phil as well. Can’t study those two enough.
no its mayo at some sort of seminar and someone in the crowd
@@treeman5648 I’d love to see a UA-cam video of that particular seminar.
@@seanm3226 ua-cam.com/video/SC4PDXYHwSk/v-deo.html
@@seanm3226 I was joking btw
Spieth is a great short game great. However, most teaching pros wouldn't teach his handsy methods. Great tho!
You don’t need to be handsy for low angle of attack. If they don’t teach you to hit down they need the money
@@artemyalovenko5108my reference was for Spieth but all good sir 😅
Dan grieve does, he’s one of the best short game teachers out there!
Can you do a video explaining spin loft?
The angular difference between the angle of attack and the dynamic loft at impact. Sand wedge spins a lot, driver not so much. Think about a slicer that swings steep and over the top of the plane with driver, then the face is open to the path. The steep down with an open face is a high spin loft and short distance with lots of spin.
What he said (thanks) ☝️
More info here: www.golfdigest.com/story/viktor-hovland-chipping-spin-loft-explained
There's 3 low points depending how your standing. Right foot left foot and middle of chest
Steeper angle of attack does not necessarily mean low point moves farther forward. This seems a pretty basic fact that should probably be corrected in this video
José María Olazábal does this better than anyone.
He does indeed.
I guess the three dimensional part of this is left to interpretation
The closeups of the narrator's face are completely unnecessary, as is the dramatic delivery employed to convey a straightforward concept
Who cares
Your comment is completely unnecessary
fake accent
I could do without your comment too but here you are here I am
You'll never hit a great chip shot anyway but please tell us how good you are at golf
Low point is left armpit, not chest.
Steve Stricker: Shallow, clips the ball, barely any divot.
I don’t take divots
Isn't that all just common sense; you shouldn't have to think about that. I mean, I think about very little when golfing, it's all just intuitive. I'm not doing advanced mathematics around the green, I'm not considering where my chest is on an iron shot. I don't see why everything has to be so tediously overanalysed.
I can hit flops blindfolded when i watch it on tv i think so what. Too bad thats how i hit all my shots😂
I'd love to watch the video, but I can't get past the clicking transition sound.
Complete opposite to what Dan Grieve teaches
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@ i do
This is so far off it's embarrassing, it shows a basic misunderstanding of what the bounce is for or even there, the evidence of the video is totally misinterpreted, Spieth hits behind that ball, blades the ball because hes too steep and gets away with it.
The thing is I cannot get over is when people rave on about this golfer and that golfers game but how many tournaments do they win not many and that includes Jordan for whom I like
well its quite literally what the best players in the world do. Spieth is just getting used here cause his move is the most obvious to see.
I'm guessing his technique beats yours any day.
Modern golf instruction is a joke
This might be the most pointless video of all time.
Good video. But it literally could have been 30 seconds. Just say Mickelson is right about hinge and hold and link to the video tutorials he gives on the subject.
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