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How we make live vocals sound great at my church! // Sunday Vlog #54
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- Опубліковано 15 сер 2019
- Vocals discussion starts at 03:15 in the video!
In this video Dave Bookhout goes through his process for mixing vocals live (including how we use AutoTune!)
Plus Brian misses a lot of notes.
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This is one of my favorite WT videos ever. The knowledge is awesome and interesting, but I just LOVED watching you all interact with one another.
Great to hear from Dave! Would love to hear him talk about planning a service, scene lists, stage plots , input/ patch lists etc. Thanks again for all the great content and super stoked to hear more from Mr Bookhout.
Stephen Stange yes Dave!
Loooooovvvvveeeeedddd this video. I like this style it's super helpful for other leaders 😁
Thank you so much. It’s so nice of you to do this. .....Lol a polished turd. You guys are so funny. I looked forward to more of this from you. Our God is a God of excellence. We do need to bring our best in everything we do for him. I’m grateful you are doing something like this for us musiciens and sound engineers that want to use their gifts to worship God in the best way possible. Keep it up WT 😁
I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but your mix sounds AMAZING lolol. Thanks for putting stuff like this out.
thank you for you job, its really useful!!! 🔥 please make more vids about technical part of service🙏 God bless you!
Over the years, this basic fact has emerged: it seems a lot of audio techs in churches don’t have any musical ear at all (I discovered a tech with a "tin ear" once)! Or it could be that the room acoustics of the sanctuary are so bad, but no one seems to know what to do-at any budget. My last two projects at my former church were great successes in acoustical control and stage lighting. This face-to-face time on actual gear with someone like Dave Bookhout (and a great worship team) is absolutely awesome! Thank you and blessings to you!
Thank you! These sound videos really help better understsnd some stuff about sound
Good job guys!!! Thanks 🙏🏾
Hey Brian, absolutely love this and am greatly looking forward to videos in this series. Could you make videos similar to this for churches that don’t have these types of resources like powerful computers, midi boards, or outboard gear?
For example, I’ve been to a lot of churches that just have an X32 and then a cheap older computer for video. Could you make videos for that type of setup, like how to get a good mix with just onboard gear and a couple plugins?
That thumbnail had me worrying we were bout to have Happy Day part 2
😂
This was great!! looking forward to the wet processing segment.
same
I'd love to see more videos on the front of house, soundboard stuff. Useful info.
Could you also give listening examples with and without the FX Chain?
This is great...funny and informative...
Please talk more about reverb, compression, eq and gain on vocals. I am a worship leader and I want to be able to properly communicate with the sound team and understand it myself as well. Thanks for all your hard work and for all you are teaching us!
Hi there, I am not involved with worship tutorials but have experience with this, let me know if you still need assistance on this. Would love to help!
Could you explain how you send the audio to the computer and back? Assuming some sort of interface or perhaps your mixer has usb out? Do you notice much latency in the send/return process?
Thanks for the tips! Would be really cool to here a playback A/B-ing the live vocals before and after the processing and effects.
Make sure your computer speakers are decent enough to capture the tonal subtleties...
Ryland Russell what's up man 👋🏻
Great stuff! Would love to also hear any tips for those of is still recording from an analog board.
It would be great to see the PA and what you guys are running
I am waiting for more
Awesome, thats what I want to learn. Some Tech Tips.
Great video!
Would be great to see how do you eq your PA?
And if you can record all band on tracks and play it as virtual soundchek, and show us your mix tips and chains.
Thank you! Great job!
Jurij Strogonov I believe we will be getting into a lot of that. As far as tuning the PA, we hire a professional for that. It’s super important and takes years and years of experience to EQ a room well.
woah, where did you drummer get his drum samples from that we heard in "So will I"? it's sounds so good!!!
Oh speaking of which, will y'all make a video of drum samples used in church? :D
Words of wisdom " a polished turd is still a turd" hahaha!!!
How are you running waves through the console?
Maybe it's my weird humor, but kudos to the video editor who followed up the images of the (somewhat large) worship team warming up with exercises and squats, with a screen shot of them singing to the words 'who could carry that kind of weight'.... Coffee spit - keyboard moment...
I’m down for these videos. I know enough to get by, there’s so much more I don’t understand.
Wow awesome video. I would like to know about the routing of this setup. How did you also deal with the latency in waves
Cover your tech words it would be helpful to know these especially of someone is new on the scene of running sound. Thanks God bless
Great work that you all doing there.
Could you show us how do you get the channels/signals from the stage to foh and broadcast and explain the difference between mixing foh an mixing for broadcast.
Thank you very much. God bless you.
vivanco15
D.I.D. CHOI had the same question about the difference between mixing for live and broadcast.
Just reply’d to it.
We have recessed floor pockets in various parts of the stage that each have a chunk of 6-10 XLR connections which are all numbered and feed into our digital snake 1:1.
All someone has to do is plug into any of them, call out the number on that connection and it can be digitally patched at the board to any channel.
Ok, must admit I was prepared to blast you guys for using Ableton Live channels as accompaniment. Watching this, if what you are doing is using technique to maximize a singer's god given voice without ANY additional FAKE, SHOW ORIENTED PAID FOR vocal tracks......kudos to you guys for keeping it "excellent and authentic"!! May have to share this with our sound guy......But to all of you folks that pay for and use Ableton Live artist tracks in a worship service: You need to seriously rethink where your priorities lie, because it ain't in serving God that's for sure.
Actually we do use Multitracks and backing tracks. We don’t use Ableton to play them back, but we do use them, and so do thousands and thousands of other churches. And all of us bring glory to God by doing so. The notion that using a tool like backing tracks disqualifies us from truly worshipping is very Pharisaical 🤷🏻♂️. So please, blast away.
@@worshiptutorials As long as what you are presenting is 100% LIVE with ZERO added tracks, then it's "authentic". Otherwise, sorry but it just isn't. A church should go with what they have period. If it's not there, then just play the music and nice videos like say in the 90's. But I KNOW that with what I see here, you have the folks right there within your own congregation to serve beautifully with ZERO supplemental assistance period. I can see how my coming here with another viewpoint appears to you to be "self-righteous", honestly not my intent.
One of the bigger mistakes I see at many small and moderately sized churches is the gain level on the wireless mic receiver that's always the first place to check!
Yes proper gain staging is the 1st (and a very important) step.
hello dave I Really love this series but i have a question with the waves tune how do you quickly switch tuners to the new key for every song and for say 8 -10 mics
KAYSTRINGS OJO NOAH KAYODE You can create a scene for each song that has the tune key changes built in. We’re using the LV1 platform to run waves but you can do the same thing in waves other software called multirack as well. Sometimes we run waves tune in chromatic also so no scene / key changes are needed but that can get sketchy depending on how good your singers are.
@@northwaybookn Thank you so much Dave
Cool T shirt "Turd is a Turd" -WorshipnTutorials 😂
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Brother... I want more videos on this topic of live sound production
very interesting. our vocal chain is mouth, mic, amp!
You don’t do any EQ at the board? You’d be shocked at how much the mix cleans up when you pull out the lows.
@@cornerstonemusic8014 i would certainly like to find out!
Could you break this down even further as far as how to get set up a mix from scratch?
How would a church just starting be able to apply these sound quality concepts in a less complex way?
This is great info! Obviously this is a byproduct of years of work and growth in your church to get to this technical of a stage. Interested in knowing what a “simplified setup” but still excellence based quality would look like. Thanks guys!
Jordan Timbro You can get great results with the stock Compressor, Gate and EQ on any digital console. Some consoles have De-Essers built into each channel as well. Others like the x/m32 have multiband compressor and de-easer effects that can be inserted.
What buffer size u set for ur daw? If u load autotune plus a bunch of plugin vocal chain, doesnt you get latency?? How many ms latency u getting?
What is the sound board in this video??? Nice video keep it up
Good evening. So sorry to ask what is possibly a stupid question. At my church our speakers are placed behind the microphones (your guess is as good as mine). Therefore we have issues with gain staging and feedback all the time. Would you say using a gate on vocal mics would help with the feedback issue and possibly provide us with a bit more room to boost the volume on the vocals?
Are you guys an ARC church? Just noticed the group huddle, and lots of ARC churches have a similar pep rally and prayer with the volunteers.
Is there a link for that version of “Glorious Day” at 1:13?
Please do a guitar tutorial of Give Me Faith by Elevation Worship
A tird is A tird.. lol. thanks guys..
Great video! How do you handle the in-ear monitoring in regards to the processed auto-tune signal? Do you send the non-processed signal to the in-ear monitoring or the processed signal?
Kalle Cohnen Great question. We double patch each vocal channel on the board so the singer has the option to mix non tuned signal into their ears or the tuned / processed signal. That said, most of our singers like to use the channel with tune on it so they can hear how it’s interacting.
REMEMBER, a turd is a turd 💩 made me laugh so good 😂
Oh man 14:13 have I been there. 😂 That moment when you miss the lead line. Lol
Sounded like he was in C and the stems came thru in F#
I just played a half step flat - totally my mistake 😢
Thank you SOOOOO much for this fabulous video! I have an analogue mixing board and my inserts are being used by my Avioms. How might I use Waves but still use my Aviom inserts? Do I need a new board?
Using Waves on an analog console is super complicated. It needs a digital mixer, a waves server for no latency processing, a collection of plugins and the multirack software. All for about USD 5000
Elisei Dinica thank you so much! I am curious, do you have a digital console that you might like to recommend? We currently use about 20 channels on our board so we don’t need a big one but just one that will do Waves and Avioms
Can you use another daw if you don’t have ableton? Could A free daw like GarageBand work
There isn't any latency by processing live on the PC?
You are using the same console as Metallica uses for their tour for your usual service and I have to buy my own x32 to have something useable in my church😰
Whats the software you guys using for the mixing part
How do you do the insert? Are you going out of the board insert, into an audio interface hooked up to a computer & DAW with Waves plugins, and then back through the board insert? We thought about doing something like this but struggled with latency! So I'm curious!
I'll ask Dave to comment here and let you know - I'm not sure exactly, ha.
Great question Kris. There are many different configuration options depending on your audio console and how much processing you are looking to do. We have 2 MADI cards in our Midas Neutron that connect to a DiGiGrid MGO which goes between MADI and the SoundGrid network. Once the audio is on the SoundGrid network it’s processed by an Impact server. Round trip is as little at 0.8ms when using the server. Many consoles have a SoundGrid card that can be purchased which would simplify this process. I’d recommend emailing Jeremiah at Waves - Jeremiahc@waves.com and he can work with you to come up with the best system design for your audio console and needs. Jeremiah is awesome!
@@northwaybookn ahhhhh soundgrid. Got it! Thanks man!
Thoughts on adding links to the specific Waves plugins you’re using in the video description? Also do you guys have a favorite Waves plugin bundle that covers the majority of commonly used plugins or do you just purchase the individual ones you like? Thanks!
Michael Branda I would start with the horizon bundle and add the SSL bundle, Waves tune real-time, F6, PSE and maybe C6 if you want a great multiband comp. That would give you just about all the tools you would need. The only other plugins we sometimes use would be CLA unplugged or Maserati ACG on acoustic guitars and the API 2500 compressor on drums.
Dave Bookhout Ok. Will check those out. Thanks for the video and quick response man!
Question for Dave. How does your approach change when mixing for live vs studio/livestream?
D.I.D. CHOI It doesn’t change much. When mixing for broadcast, we do add room and crowd mics plus more verb than we typically would in a live situation to help the mix feel more like it does in the room rather than a studio recording. We also compress / master the main output when mixing for broadcast to give Facebook live / UA-cam levels that make them happy. Don’t typically compress mains in a live environment. We may do some videos on how we mix for broadcast in the future. Stay tuned...
So your approach to stuff like vocal compression would be the same? Thanks for the reply!
Yes it would with some slight nuances but the same basic vocal chain.
I don’t understand how the channels can run through the mixer, then to the DAW, then back to the mixer...please explain how you achieved that
I don't think it's a DAW. Most good digital mixers can install and run Waves Plugins.
They use an integrated plugin engine. Waves itself has a software callled Multirack that runs on Windows or Mac. In it you may load the waves plugins
Elisei Dinica thanks
How do you set up you the sound for your livestream for service?
That's a completely separate mix - we'll be covering that in a video series soon.
thanks fellas. two questions - what interface to you use to run the signal into WAVES and what DAW do you use ?
We use a DigiGrid MGO to get audio from MADI onto the SoundGrid network and then back to MADI. Round trip is as low as .8ms of latency with a SoundGrid server. We don’t use a DAW as that would introduce a significant amount of additional latency. I would not recommend doing that in a live environment. Once the audio is out on a SoundGrid network, you can use waves multirack or waves LV1 to control plugins in a channel strip.
@@northwaybookn awesome! great to know. thanks brother
I'm over here in Cambodia. I think I'd settle for the polished turds you guys are probably getting with that awesome gear. Thanks for the video
សម្រែកសរសើរ thanks for the tutorial.
I am legally blind and would like to possibly get in on the production team at my church. What could I offer with very limited vision?
You could offer a lot! I have a friend who serves on kids team as a teacher who is completely blind. I'm not sure if you have spoken to the production team at your church, but I would have conversations with them and have them partner with you to sort out ways to utilize you for production.
@@Shaddy89 Yes my wife and I have been serving on our kits point team for the last 8 years. I am just looking to get into something else and music is a Passion of mine although I am nowhere close to the level of our worship team. Thanks for replying
First HIII
You Nick Jonased it.
How much latency are you introducing with all those plugins? Also - what are you sending your singers for their monitors?
Hang on what’s the -12db thing!!! Help!!! Do mean you set the gain so that’s the channel is at -12db?
I’m referring to the level of the Pre-Amp on your input channel. Typically on digital consoles, we want that level coming in around -12db. That leaves some room if the input signal gets louder... If that input signal hits over 0db on digital consoles, you will get some distortion on the channel so we don’t want to push it too much. Typically we go through our most upbeat / loudest song first in rehearsal so we can set gain to the loudest each instrumentalist / vocalist is going to be. Maybe we’ll do a video on this process at some point.
@@northwaybookn sorry Im a noob. so you raise the gain until that channel is at -12db?
You’re asking the right questions!
Raise the input gain (not the fader. This is usually the knob at the very top of the channel strip on a lot of consoles) Until your channel’s input meter is at or around -12db. If your channel doesn’t have its own input meter or if it’s a very small input meter, hitting solo or PFL on that channel will typically show that channel‘s level on the PFL or solo meter. On an M32 or X32 for example, this meter is right next to the main left and Right meters.
@@northwaybookn cool man. Yep all makes sense now. I will give this a go. I have been setting gains like you would on an analog desk. Didnt know there was a difference. Excited to try this method.
Let me get that preset. Lol
plz send that fail to @worshipfails hahaha
A turd is a turd...😂😂😂
Really not to be critical but I hope you guys prayed after that whoa bundy. We need to remember that worship isnt for us but the Lord. The lights the show all that is great but our hearts need to be right first. He said worship His in Spirit and in truth not with lights and great voices. He said make a joyful noise not but not the most perfect way possible. Love you.
After the 'Whoa bundy"? I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically? Or are you saying you don't think our service as a whole is glorifying to God?
Do everything in excellence
God only excepts a certain sound you know. Thank God for modern audio equipment so he can finally enjoy our worship for the first time in creation history lol 😄😂
Minutes 6:30 - 7:28 is what is wrong with the modern church.
I’d say it’s primarily the hypocrisy of the ‘modern’ Christian, and maybe the fact that we’ve traded the hope of Christ for whatever political party fits your current worldview.
But if you want to say that what is wrong wit the church is 3 guys joking around about the fact that auto tune can’t really fix a poor vocal performance, then I suppose that’s your right…
@@worshiptutorials 3 guys (one of them the pastor) joking around about polished turds is symptomatic of the juvenile, puerile, inane and asinine culture of the church today. We just mimic the world in everything. Music, speech, entertainment ..you name it. The world is crass and crude. We'll be crass and crude. Three middle-aged men clowning around, acting like middle-schoolers. (And how about that shoulder massage at the beginning of the video -- Oh, we'll just make a joke about "inappropriate male contact" that will be really hilarious, guys!) Why can't the leaders act like adults? Like men and not "guys." Everything is so dumbed-down and unserious. The world is lost and is passing away and Christians are joking about turds. Because, oh man, it's just sooo funny.
Dude a trust fall in the sermon? This is what’s making Christianity a joke.
It's a sermon illustration, my friend. Jesus Christ himself used illustrations constantly while teaching.
Christianity has never been nor will it ever be a joke. However, comments and attitudes like yours are why the world looks at 'Christians' and only sees hypocrites.
Worship Tutorials because hypocrisy is so present in Churches and Christianity i pray for a better church a good church to receive Christ when he comes. But this, when did Jesus do a sermon illustion? When did he say it’s necessary?
Every parable was essentially an illustration used to teach a point.
Worship Tutorials yeah because the parable of the New cloth is the same as a trust fall.
Uhhh . . . can't help but think, this is, practically, irrelevant to 99% of viewers. Sorry, but I am guessing that VERY few worship leaders have the resources you have at your church, and FAR less at that. Happy for you and other churches who can afford such setups, but, that's just not "the rest of us". Sincerely appreciate your work though.
Ok! Above comment was unfair. You didn't title this as a "how to", I was just hoping to glean some how to-ness from it and was dissappointed. Carry on! Sorry!
No worries! Dave and I are planning more in depth videos on these production topics. We're also going to talk about this Waves system and how it's actually a lot more affordable and approachable than most people think (myself included).