Nothing I have ever watched has left such a profound mark on my consciousness as Shoah by Mr. Lanzmann .. I've watched it 3 times and will continue to do so for the rest of my life.
I am utterly dismayed to realise that Shoah has disappeared from UA-cam . I watched it 3 times and I wanted to review some parts . No idea who is the IDIOT who has made that decision, certainly not Claude Lanzmann who is dead . This is not a matter about which copyright and profit should be considered . Shoah has to be available everywhere on the basis of being an essential public service!!!
claude lanzmann footage seems to have been less and less available since his death. I have also been looking for "Spectres of the Shoah" and can not find the actual documentary anywhere.
Paula was a friend of my family in Cincinnati. Her last name is spelled Biren. She was a caring physician. Tragically she lost her only son to suicide. May her memory be for a blessing.
The most horrible thing I remember was that scene early in the film, when this guy smiles all the time (and you just feel something bad happened to him), until he breaks down in tears revealing he saw his wife and children murdered. First time I've seen Shoah was almost 30 years ago, when I was barely a teenager, but I could never get that poor guy out of my head.
@Faith Adams I don't know. He was in Sonderkommando in concentration camp, based on his testimony. What was his occupation before or after the war, I don't remember if he mentioned it.
I never could see it, until last week. That was devastating. Casually cutting hair in what looks like Israel, surrounded by other barbers and waiting clients. Witness.
Are you talking about the survivor Michał Podchlebnik? He didn’t _see_ them murdered. He was tasked with removing the bodies of women and children out of the gas vans and burying them. On the third day, one van opened its doors and he saw his dead wife and children inside. He or another Jewish worker removed them (it’s not entirely clear in the film and his survivor testimony during a 1945 Chełmno trials) and put them in a grave and asked a guard or SS officer to kill him and bury him with his wife. They refused. There was much more work to done.
We should be eternally grateful to Lanzmann for obtaining those crucial testimonies when he did at a time when memories were still fresh and those witnesses were still alive . He did more than anyone to preserve the most accurate account and portrayal of the holocaust- a film maker achieved more than any historian
It's a shame that Shoah isn't more well known, especially given that it includes interviews with perpetrators. The Holocaust and WWII in general seem very far away for many young people but we're seeing that ultranationalism, hate speech and the stripping of civil rights are on the rise around the world, all of which played a part in bringing Hitler to power. We've already seen multiple instances of genocide and ethnic cleansing since the end of WWII so what happened to Never Again? The further we get from the Holocaust, the easier it becomes to forget and for it to happen again.
Watching Shoah I realized that you could take a lifetime to analyze, process or digest the Holocaust and it wouldn't be enough. It's impossible. And I realized that the survivors had to suppress certain realities to keep living. I can't imagine anyone actually processing what had happened.
I was under the impression that one couldn't use the outtakes for copyright reasons. Right now, I am at Treblinka and it would be interesting to contrast the station now with that shown in Shoah.
YT remove this film b/c of "copy-right claim". WHO own copy-right ??? its a sabotage to remove this important film. I see only trailer trailer and trailer.
I think i have watched shoah over 30 times. I feel like woody Allen with the sorrow and the pity. First time was the best in an empty cinema. My girlfriend wanted to see time bandits and she walked out.
I've watched this several times, on AMC+, and I noticed they on roku show a IFC second way to watch. One never is the same once learning all the truths portrayed, its shaking.
About 8 yrs ago I went to a public event where a woman described her experience when she was about 13 and she was sent from Austria to Theresienstadt. After a few mos there, she was xferred to Auschwitz where her sister died of some disease. Her story was utterly riveting and she had a strong and confident tone. Then she told us about meeting her husband after the war ended and she returned to her home town. Turns out they'd grown up about 2 streets apart and never knew each other. And their story of course didn't end there: his family fled Austria early in the war with a large group of Austrians for -- and this was a utter surprise to me -- Shanghai where they rode out the war in horrible poverty. I was completely astonished when I was talking to him and he laid that fact on us: I never would have expected that any European Jews would flee to China where the Japanese had such a strong presence!
I once read Japanese treated Jews well, as though they were German Nazis. It was totally unexpected. But many survived under Japanese. One ambassador saved some Jews in Europe.
Of course the original Shoah documentary deserves all praise. One thing that is irritating however is how the different spoken languages are translated with English subtitles. Polish spoken word is translated in French by a French interviewer and the French translation has subtitles. Why not direct English subtitles for the polish language? German spoken word has direct English subtitles.
Thank you for this great presentation about this seminal movie. Claude Lanzmann (for whom I have tremendous respect) insisted that his movie was about death, and not about survivors and their individual stories (thus showing interviews with prisoners that were in the special teams and that were always talking about “we” not “I”). It seems to me that the footage you are showing is another potential (necessary) movie but outside of Lanzmann’s original scope.
Did either of you mention 'Shoah: Four Sisters', which was released in 2017? I guess this was Lanzman's way of answering the criticism that he hadn't included enough testimony from women in the original Shoah' film.
I saw a few clips on the internet from within the restaurant where Oberhauser was working as a bartender at the time and which are not included in the original film. He didn’t say very much at all of course but his face expression when Lanzmann showed him that old photo of Wirth really seemed to have stirred up some old memories of the past.
No that part is completely included in the original film.....Him working for few minutes looking this way a d that way.....gazing the situation and then finally realising and refusing to comply with them or answering questions .....is totally there in the film. I just saw it's first part in UA-cam.
I viewed it yesterday in one sitting so it most definitely can if you have a day off. I was hooked and couldn’t stop watching what was going to be said Or shown next…
I've been spending this 2020-2021 "slow down time" searching out "voices that need to be heard" so that we can build communities that honor the dignity of humans and the planet as our home. This video came to light when I 'group read' Pope Francis' Encyclical Fratelli tutti. Paragraph 247, starts - The Shoah must not be forgotten. It IS a NEW muscle to build - transforming the horrible into resilience and unity and respect. Thank you for your work.
Shoah was a wonderful documentary. Until then information about the Holocaust had been limited. Guilt? Most did not feel guilty. He did the film in time when the were still alive.
The crimes and cruelties committed against my sons and daughters, my fathers and mothers, my brothers and sisters hurt me deeply, regardless their ethnicity and nationality. In Isaiah 2: 4, Jehovah God, the Creator and Source of life, Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, promises: "He will be judge among the nations and will settle matters in relation to many peoples. They will turn their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. The nations will no longer raise their swords against each other and learn no more to wage war." My immediate neighbors are Jews and I am a Jehovah's Witness. Their hearts are superior than pure gold by far. They are extremely kind. The gentleman takes care of my trash can every Wednesday without my asking him to do so. They are lovely human beings, and they are not in need of the smallest improvement.
Nothing I have ever watched has left such a profound mark on my consciousness as Shoah by Mr. Lanzmann .. I've watched it 3 times and will continue to do so for the rest of my life.
Just look it up. I found it, but you have to pay for it.
I am utterly dismayed to realise that Shoah has disappeared from UA-cam . I watched it 3 times and I wanted to review some parts . No idea who is the IDIOT who has made that decision, certainly not Claude Lanzmann who is dead . This is not a matter about which copyright and profit should be considered . Shoah has to be available everywhere on the basis of being an essential public service!!!
claude lanzmann footage seems to have been less and less available since his death. I have also been looking for "Spectres of the Shoah" and can not find the actual documentary anywhere.
I agree 100% Shoah must be put back on You Tube so everybody can learn for this part of history so it never happens again
WTF????? I was just looking for it!! Who the f deleted it???
It is actually Reposted in two parts. The first is here
ua-cam.com/video/eNcvwHgyXcg/v-deo.html
@@colindavis3674 Thank you!
Paula was a friend of my family in Cincinnati. Her last name is spelled Biren. She was a caring physician. Tragically she lost her only son to suicide. May her memory be for a blessing.
The most horrible thing I remember was that scene early in the film, when this guy smiles all the time (and you just feel something bad happened to him), until he breaks down in tears revealing he saw his wife and children murdered. First time I've seen Shoah was almost 30 years ago, when I was barely a teenager, but I could never get that poor guy out of my head.
@Faith Adams I don't know. He was in Sonderkommando in concentration camp, based on his testimony. What was his occupation before or after the war, I don't remember if he mentioned it.
I never could see it, until last week. That was devastating. Casually cutting hair in what looks like Israel, surrounded by other barbers and waiting clients. Witness.
Michael Podchebnlik was his name , he was in Chelmno . The barber was somebody else , Abraham Bomba , he was in Treblinka .
Are you talking about the survivor Michał Podchlebnik? He didn’t _see_ them murdered. He was tasked with removing the bodies of women and children out of the gas vans and burying them. On the third day, one van opened its doors and he saw his dead wife and children inside. He or another Jewish worker removed them (it’s not entirely clear in the film and his survivor testimony during a 1945 Chełmno trials) and put them in a grave and asked a guard or SS officer to kill him and bury him with his wife. They refused. There was much more work to done.
@@darkprose Yes, I think that's the name.
We should be eternally grateful to Lanzmann for obtaining those crucial testimonies when he did at a time when memories were still fresh and those witnesses were still alive . He did more than anyone to preserve the most accurate account and portrayal of the holocaust- a film maker achieved more than any historian
It's a shame that Shoah isn't more well known, especially given that it includes interviews with perpetrators. The Holocaust and WWII in general seem very far away for many young people but we're seeing that ultranationalism, hate speech and the stripping of civil rights are on the rise around the world, all of which played a part in bringing Hitler to power. We've already seen multiple instances of genocide and ethnic cleansing since the end of WWII so what happened to Never Again? The further we get from the Holocaust, the easier it becomes to forget and for it to happen again.
Agree 100%
Watching Shoah I realized that you could take a lifetime to analyze, process or digest the Holocaust and it wouldn't be enough. It's impossible. And I realized that the survivors had to suppress certain realities to keep living. I can't imagine anyone actually processing what had happened.
Some couldnt talk about it for half a century, really.
I was under the impression that one couldn't use the outtakes for copyright reasons. Right now, I am at Treblinka and it would be interesting to contrast the station now with that shown in Shoah.
please upload the original film on UA-cam
It is. It is in two parts. The first is here
ua-cam.com/video/eNcvwHgyXcg/v-deo.html
@@colindavis3674 Part 2 : ua-cam.com/video/C-XyfftYSP0/v-deo.html
Full film (9 hr, 28 min) was uploaded to YT 3 months ago by Masters of Cinema:
ua-cam.com/video/FirfB4jSK8Y/v-deo.html
@@jcspider7259 unfortunately the subtitles for the second part of the movie are out of sync on the full 9 hour upload
YT remove this film b/c of "copy-right claim". WHO own copy-right ??? its a sabotage to remove this important film. I see only trailer trailer and trailer.
What an incredible job the museum has done of archiving Lanzmann's work. Extraordinary effort.
The original film was absolutely grounbreaking and this gives us lots of furtherb information , well done
I think i have watched shoah over 30 times. I feel like woody Allen with the sorrow and the pity. First time was the best in an empty cinema. My girlfriend wanted to see time bandits and she walked out.
I've watched this several times, on AMC+, and I noticed they on roku show a IFC second way to watch. One never is the same once learning all the truths portrayed, its shaking.
I’m not seeing the link to the outtakes?
About 8 yrs ago I went to a public event where a woman described her experience when she was about 13 and she was sent from Austria to Theresienstadt. After a few mos there, she was xferred to Auschwitz where her sister died of some disease. Her story was utterly riveting and she had a strong and confident tone. Then she told us about meeting her husband after the war ended and she returned to her home town. Turns out they'd grown up about 2 streets apart and never knew each other.
And their story of course didn't end there: his family fled Austria early in the war with a large group of Austrians for -- and this was a utter surprise to me -- Shanghai where they rode out the war in horrible poverty. I was completely astonished when I was talking to him and he laid that fact on us: I never would have expected that any European Jews would flee to China where the Japanese had such a strong presence!
I once read Japanese treated Jews well, as though they were German Nazis. It was totally unexpected. But many survived under Japanese. One ambassador saved some Jews in Europe.
Of course the original Shoah documentary deserves all praise. One thing that is irritating however is how the different spoken languages are translated with English subtitles. Polish spoken word is translated in French by a French interviewer and the French translation has subtitles. Why not direct English subtitles for the polish language? German spoken word has direct English subtitles.
Thank you for this great presentation about this seminal movie. Claude Lanzmann (for whom I have tremendous respect) insisted that his movie was about death, and not about survivors and their individual stories (thus showing interviews with prisoners that were in the special teams and that were always talking about “we” not “I”). It seems to me that the footage you are showing is another potential (necessary) movie but outside of Lanzmann’s original scope.
Did either of you mention 'Shoah: Four Sisters', which was released in 2017? I guess this was Lanzman's way of answering the criticism that he hadn't included enough testimony from women in the original Shoah' film.
I saw a few clips on the internet from within the restaurant where Oberhauser was working as a bartender at the time and which are not included in the original film.
He didn’t say very much at all of course but his face expression when Lanzmann showed him that old photo of Wirth really seemed to have stirred up some old memories of the past.
No that part is completely included in the original film.....Him working for few minutes looking this way a d that way.....gazing the situation and then finally realising and refusing to comply with them or answering questions .....is totally there in the film. I just saw it's first part in UA-cam.
How can we watch the outtakes you have preserved? Where are they to be found??
Thank you for the video, but could you please add the link?
I viewed it yesterday in one sitting so it most definitely can if you have a day off. I was hooked and couldn’t stop watching what was going to be said Or shown next…
I've been spending this 2020-2021 "slow down time" searching out "voices that need to be heard" so that we can build communities that honor the dignity of humans and the planet as our home. This video came to light when I 'group read' Pope Francis' Encyclical Fratelli tutti. Paragraph 247, starts - The Shoah must not be forgotten. It IS a NEW muscle to build - transforming the horrible into resilience and unity and respect. Thank you for your work.
could you kindly post a link to the outtakes project. thank you
Does anyone know where you can watch the 1985 film Shoah. This video says IFC films but it isn't available.
It is on youtube. The first part is here
ua-cam.com/video/eNcvwHgyXcg/v-deo.html
Why am I the first to make a comment? Well done, thanks for your post !
Shoah was a wonderful documentary. Until then information about the Holocaust had been limited. Guilt? Most did not feel guilty. He did the film in time when the were still alive.
Where can I see the movie? I couldn't find it on UA-cam
Hi I have shoah. Will the outtakes be released as a documentary series please?
David UK
Great film but be careful if you by DVD to make sure you're getting the whole gilm
Are there any plans to assemble the materials with and about women for publication? It seems to me it's an important omission to just leave it.
I just bought this movie..it's hard to watch it all in one sitting
@@ruthgallagher9584 ok
before becoming history... it's people's lives - really true ! behind human history there are lives and people, feelings !
BOT
Respectfully disagree with Lindsay: watching the film in full, not breaking the emotional grip, keeps you completely enveloped by the masterpiece.
Personally, I would have liked Shoah to have been presented with verbal narration, like the classic "World at War" series.
The link PLEASE!!!
Part 2 : ua-cam.com/video/C-XyfftYSP0/v-deo.html
Listening from Israel
Shocker that UA-cam has now censored the film. Gotta burry anything telling the truth of the world we’ve been led to think is reality.
UA-cam has not censored the film.
It's a wonder there were any perpetrators willing to be interviewed due to warcrimes trials since most weren't prosecuted right after WWII.
At least one asked for money in exchange for the interview
De lanzmann shoah , les 4 soeurs , sobibor , le dernier des injustes . J'en ai trouvé une bonne partie sur daily motion
לא נשכח ולא נסלח✡️❤️✡️❤️✡️❤️✡️✡️✡️
The crimes and cruelties committed against my sons and daughters, my fathers and mothers, my brothers and sisters hurt me deeply, regardless their ethnicity and nationality.
In Isaiah 2: 4, Jehovah God, the Creator and Source of life, Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, promises:
"He will be judge among the nations and will settle matters in relation to many peoples. They will turn their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. The nations will no longer raise their swords against each other and learn no more to wage war."
My immediate neighbors are Jews and I am a Jehovah's Witness.
Their hearts are superior than pure gold by far. They are extremely kind.
The gentleman takes care of my trash can every Wednesday without my asking him to do so. They are lovely human beings, and they are not in need of the smallest improvement.