2017 KTM 250 vs 300 Ridden Back to Back - Episode 230
Вставка
- Опубліковано 23 бер 2017
- Please support on us Patreon - / dirtbikechannel
Order your parts through this link: www.dirtbikechannel.com/parts/
What can you learn when you ride two bike back to with with each other? You can learn a great deal. These bikes are the same frame, same suspension, same wheels, and same gearing. The difference it that one of them is bored out to a 300 cc motor, while the other is a 250.
That 50 cc makes a big difference in many situations. From the initial results, I would say that the 250 cc dirt bike is more fun to ride in the desert, while the 300 will be more at home in the tricky, technical mountain riding we’ll be doing in the summertime.
Special thanks to my $10/month patrons on / dirtbikechannel
Steven Brady, Robert Venerus, Tom Paskett, Cody Hopkins, Travis Winston, Steve Yurko, Richard Stemlow, Keith Snow, Jack Baldwin, Mike Sallaire, Jim Bass, Stefanie Strickler, Nathan Weber, Andrew Breyton, Mitchell Forrest, Sean Massier, Bill Bitts, Mark Fleischman, Brian Anderson, Dion Jaramillo, Ken Paulino, Branden Sanderson, Jason Holt, James Knifong, David Chandler, Larry Manuel, Paul Warner - Розваги
Can't wait for more head to head with these 2 bikes, and the 4k Looks amazing!!!!!!!!!!
Your channel is evolving, Love it!!
Love the instant, mid ride swap for comparison! Most of us would never get the chance to try something like this, I find it super interesting!
Thank you so much for your video's, its very hard to decide between a 250 xc and 300 xc but after watching this video and living in Arizona, I'm 100% getting the 250.
if u ain't first ya last.
Ricky Bobby
Are the new Fox offroad boots any better than regular Instincts? Aren't they too bulky?
Keep doing what you guys are doing. Keep it mixed up and don't drop the vs, there is a lot of people that are in the market for bikes, other products and need the information to make the best choice for them. Majority of us can't afford multiple bikes, gear and parts to no the quality of them. You want be able to please everyone so keep it mixed up like you are already doing. Thanks for the great channel.
I love the 250 it's just got that powerband that no other bike has 😍
Have your tried tuning the powervalve on the 300 to give more top?
excellent vid. Please ignore the mongs suggesting not to these kind of vids. I am currently on a 300 playing with the idea of a 250 where i ride more mx than enduro. I like the powercurve like you described. Keep up the good work
whats the precieved difference in bottom end between the two. do you notice the lack of 300 grunt?
so it sounds like you are having a hard time choosing between steak or ribs. either way you win
haha best comment on this thread.
Is that a Cycra skid on the 250. What skid do u have on your 300xc. Wanting a cycra for my 2017 300xc.
keep these types of vids coming awesome!
Great vid as always!
Great video - Have you examined the torque curves for both bikes?
Did you ever post a video of your 250 jetting? I just bought one of the last 2017 250xc's in my area. Having carb issues. Super rich down low and flat in the transition.
From watching the video you look alot faster and more comfortable on the 250 then the 300... but they're both so much fun to ride. I know the 300 is great for woods riding. can't wait to try the 2018 EFI models.
Looks like your suspensions needs dialing in. Your rear wants to wash out on both bikes when hitting the whoops. Great videos!!
I noticed the same. And great videos!
Dat kid nos his stuff I'm seen same thing
that's rider
Everyone talks about the vibration of the 300, I rode a 1999 KTM 300EXC for years and never noticed any excessive vibration. Even when switching to a 2009 KX250f. Now the old 500 and 380 2 strokes vibrated pretty bad.
Hey what rear Tires are you running?
I've noticed in the beginning of the video when both bikes were going thru the woops twice that the rear wheel was hopping left and right. Isn't that telling you that your fork springs or setting are too soft?
Hey Kyle,
I was wondering if you could do a 2024 comparison on the new TBI XC bikes in both the 250 v 300 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I’ve had plenty of both but want to buy one.
Only you can do an amazing unbiased comparison.
Love your work bro 👊🏻✊🏻👊🏻✊🏻
you used completely different tires to compare bikes? I know your mainly focusing on the engine characteristics in this video but common dont tell us they are near identical with complety different rubber on the ground.
and did you go back to the mikuni or run the lectron on the 300?
I'm looking to buy a KTM 250 or 300..I can't really decide which one to get? I'll be doing hill climbs, and stuff like that, I have a cr250 but I'm looking to upgrade to a KTM.
Where were they riding?
i found i liked the 250 more for the same reasons you say , but i think in the very very tight the 300 is where you want to be .. if i had to pick a orange one it would be the 300exc
As always great vids.
Kyle,
Here is a quick question for you.
I’ve been riding for over 40 years, a little MX but mostly single track...all on 2strokes. Over the years I switched from Honda CRs to KTMs. On most bikes I’ve installed flywheel weights, smoother power and less stalling. In the last few years I’ve been riding very technical trails in North Idaho.
I just picked up a 2018 KTM 300 XCW. As you know it’s an awesome bike, but it still has a pretty hard hit. Have you installed and ran a flywheel weight on the 300s? I had one on my 2012 200 and it worked great.
I’m running the yellow power valve spring with factory pre-load. Also does the 300 have a hard and soft ignition mapping?
Thanks, Dave
Having better lower to mid range is more beneficial. You're never really holding it flat out till the max speed for an entire race. It's usually coming down to the ability to carry corner speed and take off out the corners better. There's a lot of mental bias that does come to play. But you proved it in your split screen test
you should try out a 200 xcw and review it. id love to hear your opinion on it
If you have to buy one - is it better to just get the 300?
great test. perfect way is exactly what you did. swap bikes quick as you can then you get the real feel for both. i agree 250 is a llittle better.
Kyle, you have to change those throttle systems. Those 17 stock ones are brutal!!! order a motion pro t3 cable and get a motion pro or Domino throttle system and you will thank me. It is a way smoother and easier pull than the 17
Tyres?
Heard one guy say that you might buy a 250 if you are looking in the used market just because they are more plentiful. Then he said you could do the 300 mod when you did the top end. My question is would that 250 with the 300 head mod act just like a 300 or would it act like a 250 with a different head?
What's the verdict?
Perfect review! It would be awesome if you could get your hands on a 250 XC-W TPI when they come to the states.
We'll see.
Are these enduro, cross country or cross bikes?..
Kyle or Sam: Which one of these two bikes would you prefer if you were riding in a tighter area; like riding in a forest. Most of the trails where I ride are fairly tight, for dirt bikes and quads/horse trails the only area you can really open it up to go fast would be on the logging trails. Watching and listening to what you're saying in all your video's have me really thinking about switching to a 2 stroke. The other bike I've been looking at was the 350 xc-f.
I'm australian soo yous too doing 80vft with yz 450
You own both bikes?
Great video as always BTW
"These bikes are set up almost exactly the same....." YEAH, EXCEPT THE PRIMARY CONTACT POINT BETWEEN THE MOTORCYCLE AND THE GROUND !!!!!! THE TIRES NEED TO BE THE SAME YA NIT WIT !
Kelly Krall came here to say the same thing.
Can you dump the 300 and test the 250 against a 150? Please?
Does anyone know the peak hp numbers between ktm/huskys new counterbalanced 250 and 300 engines?
between 48-52 hp to the wheel
Hi Kyle, i noticed several videos and reviews about the 250 and 300 being pretty clogged up around the air filter. Have you made any of those mods / cutouts on either of your bikes? Some people have said that the 16 300 felt way more powerful then the 17 300 due to the 17 starving for air. Any thoughts?
I can chime in for my 17 300. I've opened up the airbox just as seen on Slavens Racing. Feels better.
Thank you. Slavens was one of the videos I saw
The xcw color scheme looks a lot better than the sx/xc models, I wish they would've used the black shrouds on all of them.
Hi Kyle, great vid as always. When will you be doing a review on the Sherco 300 sef?
Starting to upload content on it. Stay tuned.
What would you recommend to a 220lb would a 250 xcw work too hard or be sufficient or would a 300 be a better choice
AK - 907 A 250 would have no problems carrying you around, but you probably would like the 300 better. It has more low end torque and power
my ktm 300exc holds a gear way longer than my dads kdx220r and my brothers rmx250. but its an 2002 so that might be quite different than the new ones
If it has two wheels, it is beautiful
Could you share how much more vibration the YZ 250 has compared to these two?
He did in one of the KTM vs yz250x videos, I think he said he didn't realize the yamaha vibrated until he rode the KTM that didn't at all.
I've owned both and the Yamaha has much more vibration. But it's still an awesome bike..
Yeah It wouldn't stop me from buying the YZ. I'm sure my KDX vibrates a lot, But I don't notice it much... thanks for your input
Love all your vids, but I think what everyone is realllly waiting for is your comparison opinion video yz250x vs the ktm250xc!
I hear you. Here is my problem though. My little business here has a limited amount of capital in which to operate. I sold the YZ250X to my buddy Scott to free up the funds for other bikes. He needed to put a heavier spring on the rear and stiffer springs in the forks for his weight. This changes the bike drastically for me (having ridden it recently), so it's not something I can compare back to back anymore and be a fair comparison for me.
Dirt Bike Channel Ahh that's a bummer but regardless I think between you and Sam having some seat time on the YZ that together you would both have some sort of opinion about the two bikes and maybe some of there differences.... and maybe even which you may think you like a bit more! Even if it's not a thorough test we are interested in whatcha think brosef!
I enjoyed it :)
A little bit bigger carb on the 300 will extend the rpm range.
1:12 Says they are identical. Obviously have two different rear tires.
I just preorder a 2018 fuel injected model
did you change out the lectron to stock carb on the 300 for this comparison testing?
Jaron Schacht good point 👍👍
Jaron Schacht and the rk head.
The most frustrating thing as a 4-stroke guy who wants buy KTM 250 XCW-w or 300 xc-w and not one dealer around me has both only one or the other and if they do they don’t do test rides I’m trying to find out the difference and know one seems to have much info on this only the xc vs xc-w 😡 I’m not rich and don’t want to have buyers remorse so can someone do a good video on the 250 vs 300 XC-W only no xc
Would you recommend either of these bikes for a beginner? I'm 36 getting into the game so my son and I can ride a bit of moto and enduro together. May get into HS. Always wanted to get into dirt biking!
Tim Joseph take a look at an older model sxf 250 (2006-10) , they're four stroke so the power delivery is more easy to manage, can find them fairly cheap too so they're pretty good for beginners
I was also looking at a 250 XCF as well.
ORANGE!👍
If you want to be seen go for Suzuki Yellow.. :D
Awesome.
is there a reason you took off that rk head?
yes to keep the 300 stock as its a better test against a stock 250.
yes, to make a fair comparison to for all these other bikes I am and will be comparing it to.
kapan ya punya motor kayak gitu...???
I ride a 2019 250 xc and the big 450 four strokes eat me alive in the desert but it's not all about the desert or we would be riding 1800cc monsters.
holy ****** i love that 250!
lol
If you'll drag a little rear brake and squeeze with your knees she won't swap in the whoops. just saying
You could just put a different pipe on the 300 so it has more top end....
Awesome
If you feel like the 250 is more livelier, what about putting a different power valve spring in the 300? Maybe that would get the 300 closer to the 250 in engine characteristics.
They have the same springs and adjustments screws are the same there.
Dirt Bike Channel
I understood, all I was saying is they do have different engine characteristics out of the box. 250 engine more like MX bike and 300 more like a enduro. If you wanted the 300 to feel maybe like the 250 it might require a spring change.
That is what I've found with KTMs as well. 250 likes to rev, 300 likes to lug. MX style power delivery vs enduro, both can do what you want, they just do it a bit differently.
The black/orange XCW'S look the best they should have an option to get an XC in black/orange
len bong put Xcw plastics on a xc. Or get a husky
Side by side , my money is on the 3hunge .
Orange for life
Hell YEAH ...ORANGE POWER!!!!
I Love Ktm 85 Sx
now I Wana know 450exc vs 500exc
Why are we not hearing about the powervalve springs being used and where the adjuster is set? Do both bikes come with the same color spring from the factory? Why not be real thorough and explain how that affects each bike? It makes a huge difference.
Installed Red springs on both with the same amount of turns on the screw.
Ah, very good. That's the best way to compare them! Thx. And in my opinion the best setup for enduro riding! My other 2 springs got rusty...............
Very good. That's the best way to compare the bikes. And in my opinion the only spring to use if riding enduro. My other 2 springs got rusty.....................
Weird I got a 2017 xc 250 my buddy has the husky 2018 300 same bikes basically other than displacement. I find the opposite. 250 better for tight technical shit it's nice and snappy. The 300 is the dirt road monster or so we call it, I prefer the 250 I'm bigger rider outta two of us but other than on the dirt road straight away I got him beat. Can just flick it around with ease feels half the weight.
The 250 seems like the winner
Haha s
He's scared of the power band on the 300
back tires are diff
Te 300 next get your hands on one
Darcy Foster that would be nice
Orange? Nah. Ride Red or leave it in the shed.
300xc all day and the 200xc!
ouaou,i like this moto
Side by side the 300 will kill it , a 300 hunge will do 180 km per hour if geared right . They race them in the finke desert race in Australia. 250 my arse .
Good salesman but other than that didn't really learn anything......each bike has it's specialty pick one best suited for your needs.....end of story
Remember seeing a vid of yours awhile back where 300 was ultimate machine,
So many mods you can do to these bikes it's kinda pointless to pick one
3rd!
250 ktm
300 is the better bike if you ask me
I like Yamaha and KTM and the other can go out of business.
Noah Kruetzkamp yea Honda’s and Kawasaki’s have seemed to go down hill and then suzuki is just Suzuki
1 yoall
Orange sucks it's all about blue and green
You remind me of a used car salesman. You must be small. If it isn’t a 250 2 stroke..
You shouldn't ride dirt bikes. You could get thirsty or a tick may land on you or you might hit a squirrel.
im really gay and like guys
Your not fast enough for it to matter
stop doing vs you should do more just riding. like if you agree
Off Road Nation ktm has got such a wide range of bikes that it doesn't hurt to have comparison. for a lot of us we buy a bike every 5-10 years, I'll take all the opinion I can personally
then how will people find out what bike they should get?
I don't agree. These comparrison videos are great for people that are trying to decide which bike may suit them. Obviously everyone is different, but it helps getting people opinions. Plus, if this was my job, I'd be quite happy donig this haha.
people know, its internal and not based on a test rider's opinions cos we are all different. set the bike up for you just liek they do. :-)