I'm not sure how anyone has gave this video a thumbs down when you seem completely unbiased and praised both machines equally. Very good comparison and breakdown of both machines!
@@DdDten @DdDten also, owners of Huskys be sour as hell that he said their first impressions were the linkage of the Husky would prevail over the PDS system of the KTM, perhaps because they just hating because their bike didn't live up to @DirtBikeChannel's expectations OR perhaps they just being sour bitches because low-key they agree deep down that the PDS system that KTM have spent *MANY* years developing / reiterating / evolving & damn near perfecting is in fact a solution to the rear shock suspension that prevails over linkage systems that have remained stagnant in terms of evolvment & refinement of its design & implementation!!?! 🤔🤫🤔😉🙃🤔😎
@@Smiling_mike I have both, and the linkage is much better. The PDS seems to be harsh and less capable of sucking up the lumps and bumps. Don't forget you with need to protect the linkage. ✌️Enjoy
Coming from too many years of linkage and experiencing no linkage for the first time Im going with KTM. The PDS was just nicer on trail oriented stuff imo.
@@mvsofunwa I think the primary advantage of linkage is anything at speed, I have not had a chance to ride both setups on similar bikes. I ride PNW trail all year round, stuff here gets gnarly real quick. The pds just seems to handle the slower technical stuff with ease while at the same time soaking up big square edges without making the experience uncomfortable or uncontrollable. I think both setups are good and really play their best when it's tailored to the rider which is something a lot of people don't do or overlook. Get the sag and valving right for you and feel like a champ.
@@mvsofunwa For sure, no linkage means less maintenance and more ground clearance. I've not had much of an issue though and there is protection you can buy for it.
I feel that the more simple design and less moving parts of the ktm is definitely better for any sort of trail riding. The husky looks cooler but I’ll be looking to get a ktm for its design with less parts.
Two close to call, both are top self. I like linkage only because it's something I can lower with 28" inseam. When I was younger I didn't care if I could touch because I was limber. Age and miles have changed that. I guess you can send in the shock but more money🏁👍🇺🇸
People have been asking for a gas Gas enduro review for as long as this channel has been alive. But it just seems that in Dirt Bike Channel`s world a Gas Gas enduro bike does not exist....
PDS vs Linkage, Brembo vs Magura, Mapping, Weight, Carbon vs aluminum sub frame, pro taper vs Nikken,, forged vs billet triples, etc, there’s differences.
I heard that the linkage help to hit bigger jump, so with a bit of tuning, we could use the te250 on motocross track. That's why i prefer te TE over the exc.
@@EMOSENYUM I have been wondering for a few weeks which engine to take next year for heavy climbs in the forest and difficult trails Ktm exc tpi 300 2018 or Beta RR 300 2018 can you help me with some arguments
@@AlbertKlanort I personally think both bikes are great and capable to do what you want. But for more technical argument, you may need to look for others' opinion on forums or even ask experienced rider as I believe their overall opinion is far credible than mine
In your review I think it comes down to the pipe. They will run slightly different with a gnarly over a fatty pipe. Put the same pipe on both & they will run the same.
My neighbor's son and his buddy did the Tour if Idaho a couple years ago. One of them was on an old Hodaka Wombat. It's a 125 Fin-Head 2 stroke. The other kid was on a 1974 Yamaha Enduro which I think is a 175. By contrast, I've now seen 4Tour of Idaho videos in which new injected KTMs just quit running
So the KTM is lighter, cheaper and will require less maintenance (via the exclusion of the rear linkage) but they ride so similar you could not choose a winner.. sounds like a pretty obvious choices to me and it also sounds like KTM is absolutely nailing the concept of a low maintenance 2 stroke trail bike. If I had more time and money I would be all over the KTM 300 TPI. Thanks for the video.
I love the drone footage compilation on this video... can you do a more in depth video some day about your setup? What you like and dislike about your drone(s), its range, shooting technique, editing/format challenges?
Hey Kyle, do you still plan on doing that honda cr250 build? I think that would be a fun series to show you don't need the latest to have fun in the sport! Love the videos.
Roof Cat OSRS no worry! at 21, i didnt had a dirtbike period, and had a shitty car and was totally broke! at least you have one, and yz are great reliable machine!
First, I bleed blue... I have been riding husky for many years and I love them HOWEVER... I will be changing my next bike to the KTM for only one reason but I feel it’s a huge one.. “the subframe” I have now broken the subframe in my husky every year and multiple times on my current TX300... the cost is crazy for plastic and this is the story for many of my husky family friends. People everywhere have been reporting the same issues “especially in the winter months” and sadly, the guys at the husky shop say that the new 2020 is even worse, they can keep subframes in stock and report that they are robbing new bikes to keep up to the demands... I never thought I would publicly denounce husky but it’s time to move on... sad
We are losing 2 strokes because of emissions but the GOV lets diesel truck blow black soot from it's pipes. Airplanes do the same & drop the fuel before landing. But thats ok go after the dirt bikes. That makes about the same sense as ..... You can have a gun but not a firecracker .
Ringo Gingo what exactly do airplanes do before landing? You are correct with the diesel except for the fact that the trucks are modified to “roll coal” planes don’t dump fuel. Do you think the airlines would waste money like that?
No I don't think they would waste fuel but that is what I've been told they do. I'm sure you have heard the same store! My point is the Gov is attacking 2 strokes while letting diesel trucks and airplanes blow black soot so thick the eye can see it clearly
@@jjjjjjjjrifufjssjosskenf If in an emergency situation and the airplane has to lose as much weight as possibly it will dump every last drop of fuel until it hits reserve right before it lands. In the military, fighter jets do this before landing on aircraft carrier's so that they don't blow out suspension parts and damage strain gauges and other stuff. Commercial airlines do it in emergencies, military does it every time. I was in aviation in the Navy and it's a real thing, they don't care about your tax dollars flying through the air. Sometimes the planes launch and go a circle around the boat and come back. Then they dump 500k worth of fuel right before landing. It's fucking stupid. One plane landing produces more emissions than 4 days of LA traffic, which takes every single two stroke motorcycle in the world running on WFO throttle running 32:1 for about 2 years straight. The government is just pointing fingers to have something to do I guess. I haven't figured that part out yet.
In truth you may have run into noticing differences if you compared two of the exact models of KTM or Husqvarna. Sometimes identical machines run different.
Never adjust the PV on a TPI bike, the timing is set from the factory to match the PV setting. Adjusting the PV will throw things off, not sure why they even left it as an adjustable design.
Just curious between the KTM and the Husky, when the suspension is set up for your weight, is there a difference in seat height when sitting on the bike (basically I am wondering if the husky's linked suspension sites lower than the KTM PDS when loaded - allowing the rider to be closer to being flat footed). Thanks for putting together these videos, great stuff!
hahaha how easy you to believe the rumours you heard... im using redspring on my 2018 ktm 250tpi exc.. 120 hours now without issue.... just remove the bottom end once at 80hours to change the piston set but i change mind after looking at the piston condition and measurement is just like new and nothing worn out, so just changed the rings only... worth it using a bit expensive 2t oil but after all it helps protects my piston from wearing, save a lot of money ..
Since the KTM is a few pounds lighter and a few hundred dollars cheaper I would think that the KTM would have an edge on the Husky. It would be different if you would benefit from the linkage but it sounds like that's not the case and not that noticeable. Thanks for the comparison.
How come you revalved the TE and not the XCW? After riding both extensively I feel like the Husky rode more stinkbug and has a very divy/knifey front end. Wondering if you revalved for that reason and how the results were after revalve… thx!
Are you going to try and get your hands on one of the SWM RS300R for a review when they come to the states? Apparently they are going to be here this year sometime.
They are supposed to be pretty similar to the husqvarna which where produced while they where owned by bmw Scince it is the same factory manufactoring them
a brand new EFI bike works good on the first few rides? amazing! go dump each one in a few puddles dump them on some rocks and see how they work in 5 years... my suzuki atv direct injection is on 15,000kms without a hiccup never split the case or even had it have a bad day
After riding both these bikes. I felt very similar in opinions to Kyle on the difference it was like splitting hairs for me I felt very comfortable on both bikes
Dude, the 2 bikes are not the same for the test. You look to have tubliss on your ktm so it make a difference on the traction and weight. So could influence your friends decision on the riding.
I'm not sure how anyone has gave this video a thumbs down when you seem completely unbiased and praised both machines equally. Very good comparison and breakdown of both machines!
Haters gonna hate. Hahah
@@DdDten @DdDten also, owners of Huskys be sour as hell that he said their first impressions were the linkage of the Husky would prevail over the PDS system of the KTM, perhaps because they just hating because their bike didn't live up to @DirtBikeChannel's expectations OR perhaps they just being sour bitches because low-key they agree deep down that the PDS system that KTM have spent *MANY* years developing / reiterating / evolving & damn near perfecting is in fact a solution to the rear shock suspension that prevails over linkage systems that have remained stagnant in terms of evolvment & refinement of its design & implementation!!?! 🤔🤫🤔😉🙃🤔😎
Cause they like obsolete Japanese bikes
@@samoliverio7455 Don't be so pedestrian... lol
Couldn’t decide on the 300s, so I got both.
If you tell your wife she can ride one, she won’t get upset.
So? Which one is better?
PDS or linkage?
@@Smiling_mike I have both, and the linkage is much better. The PDS seems to be harsh and less capable of sucking up the lumps and bumps. Don't forget you with need to protect the linkage. ✌️Enjoy
@@Smiling_mike I got a -16 500, and to be honest I don't mind the PDS. The bike just works everywhere.
Exactly👍😎 my wife loves these bikes too
Considring how much little difference they have, I'd choose the Husqvarna simply because of the blue,yellow and white colour scheme 👌
The linkage on the Husqvarna is the reason I went with my TE 300 over the KTM. Plus the triple clamps are nicer.
Coming from too many years of linkage and experiencing no linkage for the first time Im going with KTM. The PDS was just nicer on trail oriented stuff imo.
@@xXxIcedaddyxXx what is the advantage of linkage?
@@mvsofunwa I think the primary advantage of linkage is anything at speed, I have not had a chance to ride both setups on similar bikes. I ride PNW trail all year round, stuff here gets gnarly real quick. The pds just seems to handle the slower technical stuff with ease while at the same time soaking up big square edges without making the experience uncomfortable or uncontrollable. I think both setups are good and really play their best when it's tailored to the rider which is something a lot of people don't do or overlook. Get the sag and valving right for you and feel like a champ.
@@xXxIcedaddyxXx I ride enduro so in my view I wanted to say linkage protection is an extra cost that is needed. To protect it against rocks
@@mvsofunwa For sure, no linkage means less maintenance and more ground clearance. I've not had much of an issue though and there is protection you can buy for it.
I feel that the more simple design and less moving parts of the ktm is definitely better for any sort of trail riding. The husky looks cooler but I’ll be looking to get a ktm for its design with less parts.
I would GLADLY pay $300 more for the superior aesthetics of the Husky.
Ktm looks better😂
Two close to call, both are top self. I like linkage only because it's something I can lower with 28" inseam. When I was younger I didn't care if I could touch because I was limber. Age and miles have changed that. I guess you can send in the shock but more money🏁👍🇺🇸
We need to get Kyle to review a GasGas
People have been asking for a gas Gas enduro review for as long as this channel has been alive. But it just seems that in Dirt Bike Channel`s world a Gas Gas enduro bike does not exist....
supertedogpriken they don’t exist or compare. Viewers don’t want GasGas.
Ktm bought gas gas so maybe in 2021
M P I have a Gas Gas ec125 ENDURO BIKE 🤦
Yes
what do you like better. a Mercury5.0 or a Ford 5.0?
yea. same owners. so whats the difference right?
PDS vs Linkage, Brembo vs Magura, Mapping, Weight, Carbon vs aluminum sub frame, pro taper vs Nikken,, forged vs billet triples, etc, there’s differences.
I like GMC over Chevy...
Now you need to do a 250 vs 300 review to help me make up my mind.
300 all the way
Stoned_Snake why ?
Orlando Sanchez well if your looking for enduro/woods/ desert racing a 300 is better
@@thunderthrustable then what do they make the 250 for?
@@katietrotter9374 250 is also good for that and its good for track too. 250 two stroke is a fast ass bike
Wish I could afford one :(
I bet you already got yourself one 😉
Even tho i am from Sweden, I might prefer the looks of the KTM.
BLDH 😂 your videos are great dude
BLDH Nä nu blir jag fan besviken på dig
Can I have the Ktm dirt bike
Guess your trying to say since you from Sweden you are dumb.
Blasphemy !!
I think the white Husky looks better than the orange KTM. I wish Yamaha would make the YZ 250X EFI with electric start.
Thanks for doing all those upgrades to my bike Kyle... :-)
I heard that the linkage help to hit bigger jump, so with a bit of tuning, we could use the te250 on motocross track. That's why i prefer te TE over the exc.
Update: I've found out that TE carbon subframe is fragile. So now i prefer EXC over the TE
@@EMOSENYUM Ktm exc 300 tpi is big beast🗿👹
@@AlbertKlanort for sure. i decided to take exc250 a few weeks after posting this comment. Exc is a beast
@@EMOSENYUM I have been wondering for a few weeks which engine to take next year for heavy climbs in the forest and difficult trails Ktm exc tpi 300 2018 or Beta RR 300 2018 can you help me with some arguments
@@AlbertKlanort I personally think both bikes are great and capable to do what you want. But for more technical argument, you may need to look for others' opinion on forums or even ask experienced rider as I believe their overall opinion is far credible than mine
Best dirt bike channel on youtube, thanks
In your review I think it comes down to the pipe. They will run slightly different with a gnarly over a fatty pipe. Put the same pipe on both & they will run the same.
same bike, fake "competition". chose whatever you want, KTM get the money...
No husky is better than bajaj. Opps sorry ktm*
My neighbor's son and his buddy did the Tour if Idaho a couple years ago. One of them was on an old Hodaka Wombat. It's a 125 Fin-Head 2 stroke. The other kid was on a 1974 Yamaha Enduro which I think is a 175. By contrast, I've now seen 4Tour of Idaho videos in which new injected KTMs just quit running
So the KTM is lighter, cheaper and will require less maintenance (via the exclusion of the rear linkage) but they ride so similar you could not choose a winner.. sounds like a pretty obvious choices to me and it also sounds like KTM is absolutely nailing the concept of a low maintenance 2 stroke trail bike. If I had more time and money I would be all over the KTM 300 TPI. Thanks for the video.
I love the drone footage compilation on this video... can you do a more in depth video some day about your setup? What you like and dislike about your drone(s), its range, shooting technique, editing/format challenges?
Hey Kyle, do you still plan on doing that honda cr250 build? I think that would be a fun series to show you don't need the latest to have fun in the sport! Love the videos.
how do you people afford these new dirtbikes :( im still riding an '02 yz 250
Roof Cat OSRS get your own business and stop giving your money to your boss, your boss is buying new dirtbikes with your money.
maybe someday. only 21
Roof Cat OSRS no worry! at 21, i didnt had a dirtbike period, and had a shitty car and was totally broke! at least you have one, and yz are great reliable machine!
Tell me about it, I'm still on my dated ass 2001 KDX 200.
cadwarrior same struggle as y’all have /had got any recommendations on something to do or any ideas?
Great show Kyle...you are definitely doing what you were called to do!
Great job, Kyle! Ton of work, time and effort goes into these videos! Thank you! BTW, the rust on those chains is giving me anxiety lol
Nice, fair apples-to-apples comparison! Thanks.
I would pick the Ktm because I think the orange looks better then white.
First, I bleed blue... I have been riding husky for many years and I love them HOWEVER... I will be changing my next bike to the KTM for only one reason but I feel it’s a huge one.. “the subframe” I have now broken the subframe in my husky every year and multiple times on my current TX300... the cost is crazy for plastic and this is the story for many of my husky family friends. People everywhere have been reporting the same issues “especially in the winter months” and sadly, the guys at the husky shop say that the new 2020 is even worse, they can keep subframes in stock and report that they are robbing new bikes to keep up to the demands... I never thought I would publicly denounce husky but it’s time to move on... sad
We are losing 2 strokes because of emissions but the GOV lets diesel truck blow black soot from it's pipes. Airplanes do the same & drop the fuel before landing.
But thats ok go after the dirt bikes. That makes about the same sense as ..... You can have a gun but not a firecracker .
Ringo Gingo what exactly do airplanes do before landing? You are correct with the diesel except for the fact that the trucks are modified to “roll coal” planes don’t dump fuel. Do you think the airlines would waste money like that?
No I don't think they would waste fuel but that is what I've been told they do. I'm sure you have heard the same store!
My point is the Gov is attacking 2 strokes while letting diesel trucks and airplanes blow black soot so thick the eye can see it clearly
@@jjjjjjjjrifufjssjosskenf If in an emergency situation and the airplane has to lose as much weight as possibly it will dump every last drop of fuel until it hits reserve right before it lands. In the military, fighter jets do this before landing on aircraft carrier's so that they don't blow out suspension parts and damage strain gauges and other stuff.
Commercial airlines do it in emergencies, military does it every time. I was in aviation in the Navy and it's a real thing, they don't care about your tax dollars flying through the air. Sometimes the planes launch and go a circle around the boat and come back. Then they dump 500k worth of fuel right before landing. It's fucking stupid.
One plane landing produces more emissions than 4 days of LA traffic, which takes every single two stroke motorcycle in the world running on WFO throttle running 32:1 for about 2 years straight. The government is just pointing fingers to have something to do I guess. I haven't figured that part out yet.
250XC-W is the best bike I've ever ridden in the woods.
I spoke with Eric Gorr about increasing the low end on a yz250 and said adding a spark arrestor and/or a shorty silencer would increase the low end.
Did I hear you correctly when you said you set the power valve? Isn’t that a no no in tip bikes?
In truth you may have run into noticing differences if you compared two of the exact models of KTM or Husqvarna. Sometimes identical machines run different.
Never adjust the PV on a TPI bike, the timing is set from the factory to match the PV setting. Adjusting the PV will throw things off, not sure why they even left it as an adjustable design.
Just curious between the KTM and the Husky, when the suspension is set up for your weight, is there a difference in seat height when sitting on the bike (basically I am wondering if the husky's linked suspension sites lower than the KTM PDS when loaded - allowing the rider to be closer to being flat footed). Thanks for putting together these videos, great stuff!
Don't mean to be that guy but on a two stroke it is NOT a header pipe. It is an expansion chamber. Good vid.
Jamie Wilson thank you.. That was nails on a chalkboard for me when he said header pipe..
I'd love these engines in a road bike too. Great review. Thanks
How lower can u make the KTM ? I'm getting one tmrw and I'm short 😅
You adjusted the power valve on a tpi? That's supposed to screw the ecu programming up.
hahaha how easy you to believe the rumours you heard... im using redspring on my 2018 ktm 250tpi exc.. 120 hours now without issue.... just remove the bottom end once at 80hours to change the piston set but i change mind after looking at the piston condition and measurement is just like new and nothing worn out, so just changed the rings only... worth it using a bit expensive 2t oil but after all it helps protects my piston from wearing, save a lot of money ..
Why is the new ones more expensive than the KTM if KTM
Is
Suppose to be the better bike?
When bikes get this close, I have to admit my preference to just the ktm color
They are both sweet machines. Great Video!
Since the KTM is a few pounds lighter and a few hundred dollars cheaper I would think that the KTM would have an edge on the Husky. It would be different if you would benefit from the linkage but it sounds like that's not the case and not that noticeable. Thanks for the comparison.
Should be able to adjust clickers! Haven’t found anything that makes a bigger difference in rideability
Have you reviewed a beta?
I could never live without a 2 stroke
But are the headlights the same brightness? chains same amount of links ? fail....
Can you do the same review on the 300xcw vs. TE300i ?
You adjusted the power valve when they say in the manual to not adjust the power valve on the TPI models.
Phil Ward why do they say that?
The ktm are slimmer över the gastank and looks smaller due to orange collur over White
What's your location at 12:02 Somewhere in Utah I'm sure.. We plan to visit Moab, and would like to go to some other places as well.
Man am I glad I found your channel. Bike shopping is a real headache. Do you know if they've fixed the leaking issues on new models?
Want to buy one of these bikes in the future but I'll stick with my husqvarna wre125 for now
Are people not finding cracks in the bottom of the oil tank , it's not leaking out the cap.
could you do husaberg vs Ktm vs husky or something. Just compare a husaberg 250 or 300 to something
Almost same ktm and husky.i want to know which is affordable parts,maintenance???..which manufactuer best buy affordable dirtbikes ?????????.
So the sag should be a different setting between linkage and pds?
yes
I would set the sag to manufactured specification.
Have you tested a Beta 250rr ?
which 2024 150 you like better , xc or TE
So. What do you suggest, KTM or husky? I am looking for a new bike.
Please tell me.
Ciao from Italy
get a yamaha or honda
How come you revalved the TE and not the XCW? After riding both extensively I feel like the Husky rode more stinkbug and has a very divy/knifey front end. Wondering if you revalved for that reason and how the results were after revalve… thx!
I think I’d rather take the Husky they’re almost the same thing I kind of just like the color more to
Are you going to try and get your hands on one of the SWM RS300R for a review when they come to the states? Apparently they are going to be here this year sometime.
They are supposed to be pretty similar to the husqvarna which where produced while they where owned by bmw Scince it is the same factory manufactoring them
Great video. Love the views of the areas you ride in. You need to have a shirt sale to sponsor a ridding trip with you for a viewer
How the gearbox ratio on the husky? Does it also have such a slow 1st gear like the KTM?
Isn’t Husky the same thing? I mean what did they bring to the table beside the name And color?
Why did the ktm have a tubeless setup? That makes a huge difference in how the bike handles. Not a good comparison
a brand new EFI bike works good on the first few rides? amazing! go dump each one in a few puddles dump them on some rocks and see how they work in 5 years... my suzuki atv direct injection is on 15,000kms without a hiccup never split the case or even had it have a bad day
kyle, are you the guy playing the guitars on your videos intro
I was wondering the same thing
That would be more like Jimmy page
@@moimeme7839 Nah, That would be EVH
Would you recommend the 250xcw over the 300xcw?
Great review.
Scenery!
Never ride a husq before but I love my new Ktm 300 exc tpi 19.
Both are great bikes !!!
Both Made by same manufacturer Kraftfahrzeg Trunkenpolz Mattighofen Now ?
Did u have to do any fuel mapping or tuning with the engine when you changed the pipe?
Great ridding footage
Speaking of flaws, a major one for me is the crap design how the header pipe leaks I burnt 2 stroke oil between the cylinder and pipe.
I just got a husky te 250i and I love it
Do you have a comparison of the gas gas 300 with other 300s on
Do these bikes self adjust air-fuel mixture at different altitudes?
But the husky have DID wheel, pro taper bars and magura brakes
Great review, those are dream bikes🤩
How was the magura front brake caliper vs the brembo? (I dont meen the slave cylinders)
Trick to starting it when its really cold is to NOT use the cold start.....just hit the button no throttle
How is the CR250r project going?
Yes very interested in that as well!
What year/model CR is he working on? Just ask cause im planning on doing a 93-96 CR250 project.
d nelson it is a 2003 I believe
After riding both these bikes. I felt very similar in opinions to Kyle on the difference it was like splitting hairs for me I felt very comfortable on both bikes
why do the bikes not come with LED headlights?
That Amazing background footage.
He should review a TM and see how he likes and how it compares to beta and gas gas because i think they are all Italian (i think).
I miss when Husky's were made by BMW. So much more reliable and felt way more planted. Now they feel like KTM's younger adopted brother.
Bmw almost ended husky.... Ktm are the best thing to ever happen to them.....bmw only ever made the engines
Good breakdown
Awsome video thanks!
Great job!
Dude, the 2 bikes are not the same for the test. You look to have tubliss on your ktm so it make a difference on the traction and weight. So could influence your friends decision on the riding.
Same tire pressure would make them too similar to notice a difference
Hey Kyle, how can I email you? I have a couple questions for you regarding a recent purchase of 2019 Husqvarna TE 250i
Guys i tried looking up on the internet, what are the difference between pds an lineare?
Badass channel
Like to see a 250 comparison between the ktm, gas gas, & husky.
I have a fe350 an love it!! I would go for the husky if it rides just as good as my bike 👍🏻🔥
If they bring the tpi 300 over for 2019 would you get that or stick with the 250?
Keep the 250 you can allways get a 300 kit for it.
Husky factory triple clamps make a big difference