NEW Talaria Dragon 28kw Electric Dirtbike || Specifications
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- Looking at all the specifications of the brand new Dragon electric dirt bike from Talaria. Running an 88.8v 60.5ah battery & a peak power of 28kw! WHAT A MONSTER! Coming 2024
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my ultra bee gets delivered this weekend. This is definitely interesting to say the least. I wonder what the peak power meaning is. I hope it is not one of those buttons you press to get the peak power for 10-20 seconds like we are seeing with other manufacturer's. if it is a constant power of 28kw in hyper mode thats crazy! - My ultra bee would be going up for sale if that is the case. Surron in my eyes wears the crown in the e bike scene, be cool to see this bike actually out perform it and be good as it is on paper right now. Exciting!!
Those turbo buttons are the absolute worst. Basically completely pointless unless you're like sending it on jumps or something.
Peak power means you won't be hitting 28kws all the time. That's what peak means. Continuous means you can pin the throttle all day.
Agreed, these companies need to stop with the turbo button. Nobody wants to pay that much money to have a time limited turbo button 😂 Talaria seems to be doing it right though so let’s hope they keep doing us right 🙏 love my mx4
just return your ultra bee if you’re able too
It says 10kw constant and 28kW peak. Whenever your peak is more than double of the constant, it will be something limited to short time, like a turbo button. Not to mention, these values are from 100% battery charge only, but this is a bummer for all electric bikes, unfortunately
The 21/18 wheels mean that they listened to the complaints about the Ultra Bee. Now I REALLY hope it has power regulation, instead of current regulation, like all the other bikes
So I've been planning on getting an Ultra Bee for some time. Just waiting for life to settle after moving...TMI. Now you've gone and thrown a wrench into that plan. This looks to be the Ultra Bee with all the upgrades. If the price is similar, it will be a no-brainer.
Dang sounds like a great bike, really liking the big increase in power and range over the UB. Only concern I have is the vertical rear shock setup. I'm loving my ultra bee so far but it looks like it'll be getting replaced when this comes out lol.
Im just now getting into ebikes & I was heavily considering a ultra bee for my 1st bike cuz it had the balance of what I wanted. I said I wish talaria had a bike thats similar to the ultra bee cuz their prices are much better, then boom I find this. Thx bro
I dont think this will be cheaper than Ultra or StormBee but I hope Im wrong
As someone thats never even touched an e-bike. This thing looks friggin awesome it's got 250 power in a superlight package and 45 miles of range is good enough for a whole day of trail riding. With an extra battery you can actually have that 90 mile range. I've ridden dirt bkes and Im invested on getting a 2 stroke next but these ebike have a place on the future as cheap, solid and user friendly off-road machine. Because in the right hands a Surron is a capable lil machine and the Ultra bee has shown is capable of winning races. I would say this Talaria in terms of equipment it's competing with the likes of the Free Ride. But that power will definitely be the driving factor. For people who haven't felt a 250 dirt bike this will bring similar thrill. I can already see the suspension and brake set up was made with consideration of more skilled riders wanting to get the most out of this. It's the bridge between the Ultra bee and the Stark Varg. Hopefully the price is as promising,
45 miles at 22.5 mph is only two hours of riding, hardly all day....
Also this means you can only go ONE hour in, one hour out.
Save your money amd buy a new yz 250cc 2 stroke.
Similar weight and much better performance.
@@This-time-more-than-ever My country hasn't adopted the electric movement yet so we don't have any eBike. Trust all gas for me. Really want a KDX 200 coz it suits my riding style and environment
Its crazy how no one talks about the Eride Pro S, pro SS & soon to come Pro SR when it comes to these conversations, except Surronster, their specs beat the competition in every class for less
Every class? They are brand new even he admits he doesn't know how durable they will be
There great but there new so parts ain't easy to get and not easy to customize
Because aren't motorcycles but more bicycle with engine.. very light and fun ..but different ..not worse not better just different
This is absolutely going to be my next bike
I'm excited about this bike digging that black and green one cant wait to see it in action and 28kw freaking hold on man ⚡ 😂👍
I'll be watching this, having both a 300 2 stroke and a sting mx4 I do like the light and small feeling of the mx4 for how we ride them, but the big wheels of this thing will make a difference
I believe the 90mm rear suspension travel is just the shock absorber itself & the actual rear wheel travel is no doubt >200mm.
I'm fairly sure that's correct. For some reason Chinese e-bike manufacturers measure the shock absorber travel but not the rear wheel travel which is a lever and usually about the same as the front wheel. My Surron Storm Bee has 290mm wheel travel at front and rear. But the rear shock travel is 115mm. That's 2.5x more. Depending on the geometry I'd also expect 220mm (or more) on the Dragon.
I really hope they put decent suspension on the bike out of the box i hate the I'd of having to spend so much on the bike and then having to fork out and coupe of thousand on suspension. Just put good suspension on it from the start especially for us heavier riders.
Nice with more to choose from.
However. Way less maintenance than the beltdrive is an exaggeration. I have only changed belt once in 3000km and that was because a small stone got lodged in the sprocket and I missed it.
I'm so excited about the new Dragon! Will be getting one as soon as it's released and doing many in depth tests!
I got a ultra bee right before the dragon was released but I don’t regret the purchase it’s still an awesome bike does everything I need
I LOVE my Ultra Bee but this new Talaria looks fantastic.
This is a cool bike. I like my mx4 a lot for screwing around but I think I still like my KTM 300xc than any of these electric bikes. Just my opinion The electric bikes will be the future. When they can actually reliably hit 100 mi and have legit suspension, that's when I will jump on bored and buy an electric e-bike for my primary motorcycle.
I love e-bikes! I have a talaría sting MX4. From stats the talaría dragon is between surron ultra bee and surron storm bee. Being the storm bee is MSRP 12k, but limited range, low top speed and the price I rather just ride a dual sport bike at half the price and non of the range anxiety. Upgrades are crazy expensive with low return. Maybe for the tracks guys this is perfect but for me I ride in the street it’s not ideal.
Storm Bee MSRP is 8500
You definitely are mistaken on those torque numbers. Those are truck number dude. Promise you this bike doesn't have more that 50ft-lbs of torque. And that would be insane.
Yo, I might have to scoop one of these! The value of talariaxxx is crazy. One of the best bikes I’ve owned so far. Yea you can’t ride it all day but it’s stupid fun.
KYB Forks😮
Fork Stickers... Still waiting for confirmation that those are in fact KYB forks and not just a sticker on a Chinese fork which if that is the case....WOW
it looks awesome I'm cussing myself for just getting the sting r mx4
This will be way more money $$$
Even so you chose a MX4 over a UB so you were never really in this market.
have they said a price yet ?
It does have a reverse button. Check on Talaria's subreddit, someone snatches a picture of the steering bar. Why do you think Dragon 28KW is competing against Ultra 12KW? I see Dragon is more in line competing with Storm 22.5KW.
I think it's one bike to beat them both. The storm bee isn't competition tho it doesn't sell the ultra bee is the real competition.
Oh please don't even suggest that comparison to the Storm. What is its weight like 290 lbs ? This should be 70lbs less than that dual sport porker.
28 kw, thats cute//Varg owner
1 thing that doesnt make sense to me. Is 90mm rear travel. Doesnt sound right. Maybe its a 90mm stroke shock? But 90mm travel is like xc mtb
Dude can’t do math at all half 93 is 46 1/2 and his triple the power 😂 28 divided by 2 is 14 and the sur ron is 12 don’t see it dude but good video and info keep riding leave the math alone 😂
They better have a pedal kit for this bad boy
It's too big to get away with being a E-Bike.
Wait, what ? 250mm travel in front , which is good, but 90mm in the rear ?! Are you sure that you quoted that correctly?
Any word when they expect to release these? I held off buying an ultra bee because i heard this was coming out.
I've heard from an insider that it won't be in production or available for purchase until late 2024 at the earliest. It is just a teaser to test market response. The real questions are, will they sell these at a reasonable price, and can they produce enough to keep up with demand?
I'd say thing thing is not going to compete against the Ultra Bee....it's closer to a Sur-Ron Storm competitor.
Im. I'm. I bought mx4 4 week ago popping wheelies need a group have zero friends. now I want the Dragon but if I'm honest it's way more bike than I need but it's that really ever a thing? Lol
Would it compare to the Storm Bee as well? It looks sick, its honestly too fast for the small trail i ride, ultra bee is still better for me, and i ended up buying the new Razor Stage2 for way less than everything but the XXX in the end. It really depends where and how your riding and budget.
Wow wish I waited do like ultra bee
Lots of power but you can only use so much on trail so maybe they are thinking of giving us the MX option as well with this thing. At 220 lbs I hope they have better suspension than the Ultra Bee as that is the one thing holding back the Surron according to reviewers. Still the KTM Freeride doesn't have the best suspension and it is supposedly 245 lbs so this should feel lighter than that bike at least. This beast is totally unproven so I wouldn't sell whatever else you are riding just yet.
88v, i suspect they will price this at 10k USD.
That’ll be suicide. They gave us the mx4 with 7ah more than what lbx was offering at the time for $100 more than lbx. Just cause it’s 88v I wouldn’t expect them to price that much higher than UB. They may just shock the entire space which pricing. Wouldn’t rule out 7k.
@@Offthevoltz I think the price will bee between 8-9k in USA.
So fucking hyped for this! I just really hope it doesnt cost 8-10k...
it will cost more i bet
It would be a fail on price point if it's that much. Specs-wise, it's sitting between Ultra and Storm. Ultra is $6500 and Storm is $8500, so...
@@Hunter_Heart nice. Thinking more than XXX Larry and maybe a grand above MX4 ,5,500 Suggest to hold or get the Triple X for now. And let the dust settle.
@@tommcgill1671 My only problem with the XXX is the small battery space, which hinder future biggest battery expansion. On Talaria or Sur ron, you can get a bigger battery that bulge upward. If you are on a budget, XXX is an awesome choice and you there is no point in waiting.
North of $10k they need to be comparable with gas bikes...and they're not. Suspension is doubtful, power isn't there yet aside from the Stark, and the big issue is range. You can't do a 2 hour + 1 lap (sometimes 30+ minutes) hare scramble on any of these bikes yet. Why aren't companies making swappable batteries? Structural battery packs are so stupid.
I think way more people are gonna be street riding this than actually using it for dirt
I’m still so far behind the capabilities of my MX4 and love the light weight of it. Not my market
This is exciting it’s going to make aftermarket batteries useless. The premium they are charging us is unreal or they are paying too much for their cells. An UB after market battery 4K! This may make me scrap my UB upgrade plans and just get this and keep UB stock for the visit.
Competition is good. After market batteries may come down in price.
You are lucky if you could get batteries like that price for Ultra. In my country i can buy 72v57ah EBMX battery for the Sting for $4400+, because of the taxes and VAT...
you know you can just upgrade the ultrabee controller and it will run 18kw right?
At 220lbs that is right on par with a 300 2 stroke so that is what it should be compared to. These bikes are getting close and are moving out of the toy category but the lack of a clutch is still a deal breaker. Not an issue in tame terrain like as shown in this video but a big problem in the hard enduro world. If you disagree, I'd guess your aren't riding hard enough terrain. For a lot of single track, I"m sure this category is amazing and very easy/fun to ride. I have ridden the light bee and ultra bee and they both still felt very small for rough riding.
why would you need gears when you can stay at peak torque?
@@fabioatwelve A clutch isn't about shifting gears (it obviously does that), it's about modulating traction. The biggest problem with emoto's is that they spin the tire like crazy in low traction situations. Power doesn't do you any good it you can put it to the ground. I'm assuming you don't ride hard terrain?
28kw is about 37hp and a 125 2 stroke well tuned can make over 40... We're not quite there yet. That's without the range factor.
Disagree with all of this. Electric bikes don't need higher revs to have more power, then modulate with clutch. They have high torque at beginning of throttle. You just need to learn throttle control. Different mind set. Certainly going to be a learning curve for me having ridden gas bikes all my life.
if they had a gearbox like a CVT you wouldnt need to learn any of that it would keep the motor at peak torque. E-motos are going to go far and i cant wait to see the first one with a CVT.@@marksfarmcraft1888
Surron sued them and won. Dragon is going back to the drawing board.
The guys at Talaria boys channel showed an upgraded the Ultra Bee that can give 30 to 50kW 😬
after an additional $8k I sure hope it would.
dragon!!!!!!!!! hope it will be here soon, is it worth to purchase?
Did you see the new e-bike Pro SS that thing is a serial killer as well freaking
Doesn't that Talaria logo look somewhat like the Tesla logo???
Why compare a ultra and not the storm to the dragon seems more appropriate as far as power and riding terrain?
just bought a sting...
Any update on release Date
28kw is phase amps... Divide it by 3 to get realistic power
im saving for the ultra bee right now which is 6 months because I'm poor been classed as disabled so would this be for sale by the 6 months time??? thanks guys!
I just hope that they still have hot swappable batteries. If so I just might cancel my stark varg order
Noooo..the Stark it is light years ahed...let's not joke
90mm rear!!! What!!! is that correct because if it is, I will not buy it., you had me up until that
Only 90mm travel on the rear? Are you sure?
I just got ordered the talaria mx4 bruh
hold for now
cancel it and wait for more info on this bike then
this thing will cost around 10k sooooo
@@NKeller2 I seen a picture what showed the Dragon will be hit the market on 2024 August
How much does it weigh without battery?
I buying one of these mfers as my first e bike idc
brake line running outside the fork guard is disappointing to see. Either assembled wrong or engineered by people who do not understand what they are doing...either way not getting that warm fuzzy feeling I would have gotten because of most of the other great specs...
when can one order it?
I like it but it weighs as much as a 2 stroke. I love my MX3 fun level when riding in the woods much better than my dirt bikes because it weighs nothing. Open trails and track I like my dirt bikes better
umm, VARG?
Why are they competing? Just have fun 😂 AND with upgrades literally all the bikes are the same
Slow and heavy. Gonna need a controller upgrade
Does any one know the price yet??
If these specs are true. I wonder how it would be compared side by side to a modded Ultrabee with an upgraded controller and battery pack.
Showing a riding video of completely different bikes while talking about something else really ?
Yeah man they are smoking better stuff than you are! haha
Is that KYB suspension I see? Finally getting away from this Chinese crap that gets thrown on.
Or is it just a KYB sticker on a Chinese fork which would be false advertising??? Nobody is confirming this yet
$9k is my guess
7.5-8.5k is my guess I can’t see them pricing it higher than Storm. But definitely higher than UB.
Not digging the 220lb weight
After you upgrade the wheels and battery on the Ultra Bee, it's about this weight.
@@Tazdeviloo7 I ride talaria sting the ultra bee is 30lbs heavier which I could manage but this new bike is another 30lbs heavier than that. I ride trails sometimes you gotta lift your bike up and flip it around 220lbs is gonna suck. I could maybe manage the ultra bee tho
@@MotoAlias Still lighter than a 125/150 when you add gas, even ktm 125 xc is 223lbs ready to ride and those bikes are crazy light. I did love the light weight of the light bee(mine was 160lbs with upgrades for hard enduro) but sometimes that light weight lets you get kicked around more and get beat up in faster sections
@@MotoAlias My opinion is the same , but where you need to lift your Sting there the Ultra is jump over without problem. So you not need to lift your bike. I ride with Sting now, but i tried Ultra, those two bikes are like night and day.