Surprising Result! Can a New Half-ton Gas Truck Out-tow an Old Diesel HD Pickup? Let's Find Out!
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- ( midlandusa.com ) Thanks to Midland Radio for our comms solution! In this video, we find out whether two classic diesel trucks are better (and quicker) when it comes to towing than a modern gas V8 truck.
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same here
You forgot to mention that with the older trucks you still have $50,000 in your pocket.
60k in your pocket when the titan burns through that transmission if you tow anything but your boat twice a year
Not with the dodge you'd be on your 8th automatic trans and your 3rd dashboard.
@@smiller225 only if you don't use tow/ haul and chip it. But yeah the dashes were crap, haha
LOL Probably.
@@messagefamilystyled1101 Aren't the Aisins they have pretty stout?
Do this test with 2000-2005 diesels vs new half tons.. I’d love to see a 6.0 power stroke go up against a new 5.0 f150
are there still 6.0s left running in the wild?
Thomas Lane absolutely. Problem is that they all have been "bullet proofed".
I would like to see a 2007 5.9 Cummins vs a newer gas truck to see. Peak 5.9 Cummins no emissions from factory vs modern gasser
Agreed. I’ll contribute a 7.3 👍
The 6. BLOW
You forget how dangerous towing was back in the day. No power, no brakes, vague steering. It was physically and mentally exhausting hauling something heavy.
True that!
Did you notice Andres expression in all 3 trucks? Went from painful, to moderately concerned, to grinning like he just ripped one.
It wasn’t that bad lol
But yes things have certainly improved
@@dragon81heart Yes it was. Just gets worse the further you go back. My '68 Power Wagon is a complete handfull going 55mph down the hiway with no trailer. I think with a trailer it would be scary.
TLR- NUT going into the 60s that could be but we had a 1988 F-350 and it tows just about the same as the new trucks, albeit just a bit slower up the grades lol
(Ok a lot slower at times haha) but it was just as stable and tracked just as true while towing as the brand new trucks.
If anything is off on the ones they used it has to be due to some worn bushings. New ones will make it tight as a drum again
The sound of that Cummins sounded amazing. I’d take that over a modern Nissan not just any but every day!
Is Badass
Sounds like a fart😂
Zach I wish my farts sounded like that!
No Diesel sounds as good as a Cummings.
a Cummins is a diesel and at least spell it right.@@scottyellis3442
Those old IDI'S didn't have enough power to out run a fart but they were good for 700k miles
A candle half as bright will burn twice as long
Put a turbo on one, and you get more power, same mileage, and it will last longer.
@@kaulincurtis9665 the turbo one wont last as long because the turbo is forcing more air in the motor the non turbo will last longer because the motor isn't under that type of stress
@@wyattfollestad8872 if it made more than 400 hp that would be true. The main thing the turbo accomplishes in longevity is drastically reducing the temperature of the combustion gases and improving emissions. As a naturally aspirated diesel, the internals are being cooked to death as the engine gasps for air.
@@kaulincurtis9665 turbo was to combat elevation
This reminds me of Back to the Future 3 when Doc is trying to get the train up up 88mph :D
Nice C63
0:52... this is EXACTLY the type of situation Land Rover's end up in... BEING TOWED.
😂😂. So true
🤣 hahah ROFL
No shit hu
Really enjoyed this video. I have an 89 ford f350 7.3idi. My wife named it Grease Lightening since I run biodiesel in it. Fun to see the different generations of tech stack up. The 7.3idi is definitely not fast, but it's reliable and there are so many still on the road today. Thanks for putting out good content. Fun to watch your videos.
Yes those old 7.3 International's are unstoppable.
I know this is 2 years old, but we just started towing a 10k lb travel trailer with a loaded bed and family in a 99 f350 with the 7.3. with an exhaust and an intake as the only improvements, it is not fast, but I like how stable and reliable it is compared to the 2022 chevy 2500HD my father in law sold for this and a down payment on a home. We both actually enjoy towing a heavy load with this truck better. Also the seats are 100 times more comfortable!
Those diesels will still be on the road when that new truck is there age and in the junkyard...
Nostradamus here. What teams will win the 2021 championships? Who will be President in 2026? Any other predictions for the future?
@BL Dontmatter They probably are wrong. Either way, there is no logical basis for that prediction. It could be true. It could not be true. Likely, it isn't true. Modern vehicles run way more miles before breaking down than older vehicles.
Sorry, guys, I'm not sure what 0-60 does for us here-- wouldnt it be better to do like a 10 mile run on flat and compare fuel cost, and then go from golden to idaho springs and back and look at speeds and fuel cost?
Thought I was the only one!
These guys usually miss the point of towing. The only videos they have made on towing that are very good are the ikes gauntlet videos. I really appreciate those since they really max out the capabilities of the newer trucks.
I think it's more for getting up to speed. 65 is the minimum here in Texas and you really get some super short on-ramps so you need to give it all you got
interstate on-ramp acceleration
A 2000 7.3 powerstroke would be the perfect comparison between decent tech, durability, nice ride , power, and easy to fix .
Lol have you seen how the engine fits under the hood?
The oversize tires on the older rigs aren't helping their wheel torque numbers.
I think you meant the tractive force, which is indeed affected by the wheel diameter. Torque at the wheels alone doesn't tell the whole story.
You can have massive torque at the wheels,but massive sized tires will result in small tractive force
@@juliussd5901 And are lying about the actual speed. I have 315/70/17 tires on my 95 Cummins and the actual speed is little more than the shown figures on speedo.
Andre always sounds like he is on re-entry from a space mission trying to get up to speed.
Except on re-entry they are not trying to speed up. ;)
Maybe we should start calling him Andre "and we have liftoff" Smirnoff.
I'll take that Cummins. Hard to find any cleanish 12 valves in Wisconsin
I hear you there. Can't find any here across the lake either.
Greg KG the truck isn’t though😂
4:44
Cool video! Only one complaint, I wish it had been possible to use old trucks with factory wheel/tire sizes and ride height. But I understand you can only test what you have access to!
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My dad has a 98.5 12V cummins. He absolutely loves it. All it has is a cold air intake triple disc converter and a fuel plate with 20 degrees timing. Just went to Alaska and back from Michigan.
He said when he hits a mountain it just goes no downshifting with conveter locked. He had multiple people stop and ask what he has done to the truck because he blows everyone away in the mountains. One of the fellas was in a brand new F450. He said he loves all the attention his old truck gets and he never wants to get rid of it. 👍
Gunsmoke is the best truck there! Love the old Fords, slap a turbo on it and you're set.
Better do head studs as well, that's what sent all the factory turbo idi's out was blowing head bolts out and loosing compression
@Dennis Burger I have had 3 idi's that were turbos, and all 3 blew head bolts with factory kits, the block was perfectly fine for non turbos, but when they first started putting turbos on them, they didn't go with a larger diameter bolt and the ones they were using would blow out of the block when they were used towards the top end, but I can not verify that the ones I have fixed were not fead the dreaded starting fluid causing them to weaken
@@adriandawkins5500
Yeah, the IDI engines received larger head bolts when the 7.3L came along. The 6.9L had smaller head bolts and couldn't handle the pressure the turbo's would make. Gunsmoke is a 7.3L, so it could handle up to about 11-15lb of boost without upgrading to studs. A simple Sidewinder or Hypermax kit would do the job. They literally make them a whole different truck.
@@TheUnsureFox I only use my idi around the house now, with the occasional trip to town for fuel, it's no speed demon, but it cranks up every time I want it to. When I have to pull something I use my newer one ton with the 6.7 Cummins
Yeah, if my daily idi wasn’t so nice I’d be putting a turbo on it to go with the ZF5, but I like running it on my waste oil mix & saving tons of $ on fuel now that it’s $3 a gallon again.
Fun idea would be to post the vehicle's factory power ratings on the screen during the video.
Those diesel's aren't about how fast they tow, but for how long and how far.... a 1 up on gasoline engines.
That modern Gas truck tows better than either of those old trucks
The mountain experience is going to be interesting. When I was young, I offered to help a friend bring 4 stallions (full grown male horses) to the auction. He was riding a Range Rover V8 (series one !!) with 2 stallions in the trailer and I was driving an old Landrover Defender diesel.... In Germany there is a steep Highway mountain around a city called Wuppertal. The range rover pulled the trailer at ease with 60 miles out of the "tal" up the mountain. My Landrover was struggling. Maximum speed 10 miles an hour in first gear, that was the max... :)
Oh I was really rooting for Gunsmoke and she didn't disappoint, she just hauled ass, but Kase's Ram was awesome. Take nothing away from the Titan, it was on a different plane, but that Cummins just dug in, she hummed and hissed and hauled. She even rolled some coal. Honours to the Ram Hummin Cummins for getting the job done with style and smooth Big Truck straight 6 turbo. Smirnov was even double clutching. Though with them heavy guns hanging from his new Ike t shirt, he should be the only one to drive Gunsmoke.
This channel is free to use my 1997 F250 Powerstroke 7.3 for any testing. I live in West Virginia. It will give any new truck a run for the money. I can tow anything, I get 18 mpg average, it is easy to fix and maintain...and I have 50 grand in my pocket.
It is interesting how we are doing a test with a turbocharged and non-turbocharged diesel at appoximately 6000 ft above sea level. It is more obvious to me how this result was going to be before I even started watching the video. I am not even factoring in the ambient temperature. Lots of drama from Andre!
Non Turbo very slow
I hate being so critical, but I do have to say that those 6.9 Tri star International V8 in the Fords would not do well when running near the red line. Power band is from 2-3 thousand RPM. You start to float the valves and loos power at 4K rpm.
this one isnt a 6.9 its a 7.3
"They don't make them like they used to." You're right. They make them way better.
😂😂 I want to see how that Titan Runs in 2050, you know 30 years after its manufacture date, these new trucks have so many electronics on them, very hard to see them lasting that long.
@@samuelgibson4639 Wait 30 years and see then. Modern trucks are incredible pieces of machinery and technology. Will the screen or cameras or radar sensors going to last 30 years? Maybe not. But that's easily replaced, if desired. But the engines are far more powerful, efficient and have way better tolerances than ever before and will likely last longer. The only thing holding back modern vehicles are the ever increasing EPA standards causing vehicle manufacturers to take riskier and unproven technologies and add them to their vehicles for better MPGs. Other than that, these vehicles are far more reliable than older vehicles ever were.
Old vehicles used to last 100,000 miles and need rebuilds. Today, most vehicles with proper maintenance can go between 200,000 and 300,000 miles before needing major work.
@@dlakerguy dont lie.
Great video but not surprising. The horsepower ratings and torque ratings on them old diesels are embarrassing low compared to today's standard.
@@bjacks2927 Couldn't of said it better. Now, you see ass holes towing at 80mph thinking they are billy big rigger or they are just impatient ass holes.
@@bjacks2927 People have used them here to tow 5th Wheelers, but an IVECO Daily with a 3 litre Diesel can out tow them. This is US HD Trucks up to 2006
Whew!! We are so spoiled with our modern vehicles! I threw 8500lbs behind my frontier (for like 12 miles) and I can testify, it did fine. No issues. Threw the same 8500lbs behind an 85 k1500 and I thought something was wrong with the trailer breaks or something. Completely different experience!
Loved seeing those 2 old school diesels more than the nissan towing. Thank you for a great video.
So now you need to do a diesel from the 2000's and the 2010's. I would also like to see the "Super Tremor" do this test.
Put a lift and some over sized tires on the titan to make them more similar. When the older truck was new and unmodified it would have been "better" than they did for this. Not saying they would beat the titan, but depending on how it is lifted and tires makes a big difference in towing. Glad Amdre had no major issues with the test. Stay safe and healthy!
I have a feeling that fully loaded, crew cab titan weighs significantly more than the other two trucks. So that might make it more fair than we think.
The Titan is heavier then both the old diesels
Turning and earning in that tandem trailer, with the old iron...and I’ve got, a spare $60k in savings, to show for it. The new trucks, are killer; but so are, the prices! 😵
Yeah... this is my problem, I'm not willing to take out a mortgage to buy a truck.
The Ford and the Dodge are 26 and 31 years old and still doing it. The bigger question is how well will that Nissan be towing trailers in a couple of decades . I have a 95 Dodge Ram W2500 and a 97 Ford F-250 4×4 and don't plan on replacing either in the next 10 years .
The Ford has bigger tires but no regearing. Not good for towing.
I was wondering if it was regeared. That makes a big difference.
Same with that Dodge, it had very bad gearing for towing with huge tires
@@itripper1 I don't know, they sat pretty high from the factory. It actually looked stock height to me.
It would be interesting to see how much faster the IDI could be if it got a new set of of injectors and injector pump.
Probably won't help much, they should do a turbo kit if they want more power.
It would make a big difference.
Needs a new driver, these don’t drive like other vehicles. Need time to get used to the very low powerband.
A turbo kit would help, but thats not the spirit of the test of seeing how a factory 1989 truck performs against newer trucks. The injectors and pumps do wear out over time and lose alot more power than people realize. I know the old truck is going to lose to any new halfton, but I would like to see the the test as close to a factory spec vs factory spec comparison as possible.
@@calebdean2440 turbo was factory for the 94 model idi engine, im Just saying it still could be OEM and get a little power boost. Not that it will compare with a gas engine that revs several thousand rpms higher but so it could hold speed better hauling up hill. Also they already lifted it and put bigger wheels on so it's not exactly stock.
Towing isn't about speed it's about how much weight you can move
Yes but it’s nice to know you can merge on a fast paced hwy when you need to.
@@AB-coyote fair enough but diesel is always a win in my book
How much weight you can move up to speed while trying to merge onto a highway.
And a modern half ton will move more weight safely than an old HD. Those old trucks would get a piss poor rating if they followed J2807 standards
You should test a modern midsize vs a 90's half ton.
Here the Midsizers are mainly diesels and it would be a very good comparison
@no candy Yes
Slowing down on that Ford sounded like when a aircraft slowing down a runway jaja that Ram sounds sick 🤠
My stock late model 1/2 ton out pulls all of my previous 3/4 tons (mix of chevy and ford dating back to the mid 80's) from a torque perspective. I did make sure to get a heavy duty trailering package and hill descent control (transmission control reminds of an engine brake) in this 1/2 ton. I did have to put air shocks on the 1/2 ton to level it out with heavy trailers or loads. Other than that, the 1/2 ton outperforms them all.
And one more thing! I studied my towing requirements and found that 95% of my towing fell below 10K pounds (typically in the 7500-8500 range), so I began to question why I needed 15-30K pounds towing capacity for the additional cost of such vehicles.
Still have a '90 F350 diesel with >300k miles that would definitely outpull the F350 you have. I'm guessing you should take that 89 to a diesel tech to have it adjusted. The same could probably be said for the Cummins, it shouldn't be putting out that much smoke, even in that era.
Those old diesels are turds by today’s standards. Much simpler sure,but sooo weak.
@@bheron01 weak is not the right word for it.
@@bheron01 that has nothing to do with my comment. A properly running diesel from that age will have no issues with 9k pounds and highway speeds, even at altitude.
bheron01 have you driven one? They have piles of torque but you have to know how to drive them. I always remind my fiancé not to just hold on the clutch at a stop in my IDI cause even starting in second gear if her foot slips off it won’t stall it will just run into whatever is in-front of it. Remember the bumpers you see on paper aren’t the whole story, I assume most modern gas half tons will out tow me but this was a horribly done test and also these old trucks make peak torque where modern diesels idle on cold start...
David Wark yeah, I’ve driven some of the older ones. I’m not saying they’re bad vehicles. They are just not the power horses that today’s diesels are. Hell, my little 3.0 duramax makes almost 100 more hp and over 100 lb ft of torque more than those old 7.3 IDIs and will get far better fuel mileage. I suppose it’s not fair to compare newer technology with the dinosaurs of yesterday though.
I thought Andre owned a 2005ish Chevrolet Diesel 2500. That would have been a good one to have in the mix!
A stock LLY dmax would have beaten the Titan by a bit. A LBZ would have beaten it by a bit more
Early Duramax are very fast, it would not have helped them to push Nissan sales, hence driving the Cummins slow shifting and short shifting with huge tires and bad gearing.
I love the sound of the exhaust of the white pickup
I like how you guys still put out a video when you have absolutely nothing going on lol. You guys were hilarious in this video, keep that same humor and informative nature in all your content! Btw, I'd still take that proper inline 6 semi 12v Cummins over all of them, gunsmoke!
Thanks for the kind words!
If the 7.3idi had a banks kit on it she would have been right around the Cummins.
It would be sweet to watch 7.3 turbo vs 12v Cummins and 6.5 Detroit. Or 350 vs 351 and 360
The Titan is a great truck
Fun video. Andre took his life in his hands with gunsmoke pulling 🙈. Nicely done
Yes new truck faster but will it last as long as the older trucks? My pathfinder cost a lot to maintain. I got rid of it because of that. I bet these old trucks with maintenance has cost less then what the new one does.
People forget the down sides of the old trucks. Dodges ate automatic transmission and dashboards.
scot miller I like the old ford. I like that old non turbo diesel. I know the new trucks are great and every truck has issues sometimes I’m just saying those old ford diesel is cool
This is getting good again. I am about to purchase a Nissan Titan on clearance before the 2021s come in. It's great that you are looking relaxed and fun. Keep the excitement coming.
I used to tow all over the west with 90-94 Dodge Cummins with a manual. This brought back memories
The idi have a fuel cut off switch that’s gradual just put it in four gear and you will get more hp and tq but red lining a diesel will get u less hp bec it cuts fuel
Same with the cummins. 18-2000 is what rpm they loveeeee to pull in.
yeah that wasn’t great driving. even in the cummins, he was pushing it too hard that it just wasn’t getting the fuel
@@MCatwar yeah. He could have cut that time way down if he didn't slam it right to the rev limiter. Lol
punkrocker10115 exactly why semi truckers don’t rev their engines all the way to fuel cutoff. inefficient for how much power is being made :)
Came here to say this, the IDI was well past peak power, shifting into 4th he would of started accelerating again. I get the impression he really doesn't know how to drive a manual diesel. That said, the Titian still would win the drag race. But let's see how well that gas V8 is doing after pulling 8k constantly for 200k miles....
I'm positive my '16 Chevy 2500HD 6.0 gasser will out-tow my '93 Chevy 2500 6.5 turbo diesel.
Most definitely
I'm positive as well.
Most definitely. Just look the horse power and torque numbers. Your 6.0 will probably keep up or do better then a 454 from 93. Even a 12 valve cummins or the 7.3 powerstroke in the mid 90s didnt have "ton" of power. Great for that time, but no one was trying to tow 30k with a ton
The modern v8 engines are light years better then anything around in these times. Looking at what my parents and grandparents used to tow with back in the day, believe me we are doing good lol. I have a 2019 f250 lariat with a 6.2. I tow a 10k camper around and it does it pretty easily.
@@elev8torguy130 Didn't help that Chevy, Ford, and Dodge held back a lot of potential in their motors
The Titan braking is even more impressive than it's speed. I would take that Titan over any half ton for it's sheer confidence while towing and braking under load.
I think they’re better looking than the others. Not that it matters that much.
I wouldn't take Titan reliability
Tundra or MAYBE f150 with the 6 speed, but i dont trust nissan, gm, or fiat. And fords i am cautious of...
Rocket John Titans are reliable, o have 260k on mine
Grandpa pulled a big 5th wheel camper with a F250 with the 300 six cylinder gas motor even in the Rocky Mountains. It's all about how fast you want to go.
That 5th wheeler would have not been all that fast
@@robertryan7204 nope, but it would do the speed limit which was 55 nationwide at the time, and need to stay in 2nd gear on the passes, so maybe 35 mph. That's what all the semis used to run on passes as well. I bet grandpa was ultimately 10 times safer doing that with an 80s Ford than the average weekend warrior pulling a 18,000 pound 5th wheel with a modern F350 at 70 mph.
@@bryanhersman4037 Agreed. Trying to pull up at 70mph with such a load not a good idea
@@bryanhersman4037 Here you get some interesting vehicles to tow 5th Wheelers. These are preferred to early F250's(2006 and prior) to tow up to a 36ft 5th wheeler. Only have a 3 litre Diesel but now a 10,000lb payload They have a 23,850lb GCVWR
www.tradingpost.com.au/Caravans/Caravans/Crossroads-Cruiser-Fifth-Wheeler-25-Foot-2016-Iveco-Daily-Dual-Cab/Yungaburra/QLD/AdNumber=SW3KVJ
@@robertryan7204 I currently have a VW 3.0 L diesel and it's amazing even being an older design. The most current 3.0 diesels are better haulers than even a 420 hp over 6 L gas motor. So much torque.
Heres an idea, let us the audience provide the old trucks and you TFL can provide the newer trucks. Title: how does a old modified diesel compare to the newer trucks?
You cant compare modded vs stock
@@TheMrLebaron I'm not sure how to wrap my head around the logic of that comment but you absolutely can
@@townsendliving9750 The Logic is, comparing stock vs modded tells you nothing about how the truck did when new. That being said, no Fan of Nissan but that Titan can pull and haul about 10000 times better than any 80s or mid 90s truck
@@TheMrLebaron who cares how they preformed when stock, the logic is is it really neccessary to buy a 40k to 80k dollar truck or can you get the performance towing and saftey you need out of a older truck with the right modifications. I'm positive a late 90s powerstroke with a couple grand in modifications is better in pretty much every way than a titan, except for all the fancy Interior stuff these days. You could probably be about 16k dollars into about OBS powerstroke that would out preform and hold its value better, vs a titan I doubt you could touch under 30k
I love TFL but I dont think the IDI and drag racing is a fair comparison. I say hit the Ike
Gun smoke needs a ATS 093 turbo kit to give it a fighting chance against the others. Or a R&D kit will make it MOVE
If you can get your hands on an R&D kit in time. Haha. Justin takes quite a while to get a kit mailed out, I hear... and that is if he responds to you. 😉
Sir Timothy's Piano Time I didn’t have a problem lol mine stage 1 is sitting in the front seat of the truck 🤣
@@alexdenato2570
These are good words... 😁
We put a gear vendors under/over drive in our 86 6.9 IDI dually.
Can’t beat 70 mph hauling at low rpm.
I'm new to the channel and love it, but this video is out of the ordinary for you guys. TFLT is very apples to apples to apples when comparing what one truck can do vs another. The comparisons are always spot on and involve identical conditions. In this video, the two older trucks were rolling on 35s (?) and unless they were re-geared, drive like gutless crap even when empty on level ground. Video would have been infinitely more interesting with 2 older trucks with stock-sized tires. That would be "fairer" IMO. Still love the channel in any case.
People can say what they want about being fair but bottom line it shows how much technology has improved and what a great time to own a truck.
Back in the day, our first diesel ambulance was non-turbo. It was pretty descent 0 to 45 but was an absolute dog after that. We would be running red lights and siren out on the highway and be impeding the flow of traffic. Can't remember for sure but I think it was a Ford E-350 chassis. Really don't miss those good ol days.
Of course the new pickup is going to win. That 7.3 was what? 160 hp and 440 lb/ft? And that Cummins was 160 hp and 460 lb/ft.
The ford doesn't even have a turbo on it.
We know this, but to their defense I see people posting online all the time that their old ford or Cummings tows better than modern trucks (usually followed by how overpriced the new ones are and only an idiot would pay for them). Sometimes you've just got to prove them wrong.
@@Nathan_King old vehicles tow better because of weight and manual transmissions, not to mention durability.
That's the most that Land Rover will ever be reliable! 😭
Andre the Giant killer
Fast forward 30 years... wonder if that Nissan still tows anything.
Nope
Guarantee it will be.
Or even moves under its own power
I was wondering the same thing? How many miles or hours are on those other trucks?
What about a Tundra. Is what i just got. Hope it is as good as my Tacoma or better.
I’d still take that old Ford over the other two. That truck will never not look good,lol!!
I'll take the Ford too. Classic and that IDI will go over a million miles with no turbo. It's slow, but will always go. I towed a combine stuck in gear with the old 6.9 IDI. She'll get er done.
Robert Schneider yessir!!👊🏼
@@robertschneider1977
You betcha! IDI for the win!
Muskoka Roads lmaooo your an idiot
I used to pull a big stock trailer gooseneck with four horses from Minnesota to western Colorado, in the days before the tunnel over Loveland. I had a Ford F250 with a 390 and a four speed, i walked up and over those passes with no problem. It sucked the gas, but, it sure as hell could pull a load. I also used it on the farm to pull hay wagons and grain wagons with way more than the weight it was rated to pull. These modern trucks do not impress me at all.
Note to Andre, those old fords make all their power under 3,000 RPM so shift higher as you increase speed. Also to note, I have a 1990 F-250 towed 8,000 LBS at 50 fairly easily.
Those older diesel trucks were not built for 0-60 times. What is their time unloaded?
The point is though that they can't even get up to highway speeds pulling a fairly mild load to today's standards. There's barely a modern half ton that's not rated to tow that 8,500 lbs and that was all but killing the Ford and even making the Cummins work for it. The test was just to prove just how far trucks have come in hp, tq and just overall capability. Hell modern diesel 350's can tow unreal amounts of weight when optioned right. It's crazy.
@@cfltitan I have two older diesel trucks, I cruise them at 65 due to trailer tires, but they can go 75 fine. Something about that Dodge seems off, it was way slower than it should have been
itripper1 might be he was shifting it super slow. Might have a crappy "rolling coal" tune too or just a bad combo of parts.
Goes to show how good modern half tons are, when an underdog Japanese truck that has barely 1% market share can perform so well at a mile up with near max load.
1/2 tons do not have the heavy duty axles to allow for towing heavy weight over it's lifetime. The 1/2 ton towing heavy will die at 10ok miles, those older diesels will go 500k fine
@@itripper1 When people are buying luxury trucks that have trendy infotainment systems that will be outdated in 3 years, I highly doubt anyone cares about the axle longevity. Although, I do agree with you. After 14 years of using our Titan as a heavy tow rig, I recently had to have the rear axle bearings and seals replaced. This test was a little too focused on just 0-60mph. When we tow heavy with the Titan, it does feel every bit only a half-ton. I wouldn't mind a heavier truck at all.
There's like nothing an old used work truck can do that a new truck won't do better. Still love my old 94 F250 with the 460. It was about $6,500 getting everything up to date on it, but it's fun fixing it up. Beats paying for a $50,000 truck.
Lol got one of those too
I thought the XDs were a bit more than a half ton,
I agree, but I know my 2017 f150 wouldn't have a problem getting up to 60 with that weight.
Back in 89 the big block 460 would have done better than the Diesel.
Yep, I have one. I can easily pull 10k at 60+ no problem. Gets 6mpg doing it but power isn't an issue.
@@travisb9130 yep, had an 89 f250,77 f250,94 f250 all with the 460cid. Great engines with lots of power
The 460 was great at passing... everything except a gas station 😁
Kase’s Cummins sounds like a real truck!
I pulled a 27 foot 5 wheel travel trailer with a 1991 Ford 7.5 gas Truck up a 7% grade at 55mph
It wasnt a fair challenge it was a setup for failure by design, these guys are a joke. First off you have 2 standard shifts competing against a automatic and andrea is one hell of a sloppy ineffective shifter compared to the brand new auto shift. Make it fair and legit guys
james mcdaniel Not to the outcome but they Andre made them look useless, no idea where the power and was in those trucks, above 3000rpm the idi’s pretty well lose all their torque you need to keep your rpm in the power band to accelerate... Those trucks will not accelerate once you get into higher rpm, trust my I actually have driven one, and a 7.3PSD, 6.0PSD, 6.7PSD, and a ton of gas jobs which actually like it when you rev the tits off them.
David Wark unfortunately both the 7.3 idi and 12v were not very powerful to start with. The big block (7.5 & 8.0) gas counterparts made more horsepower and torque at the time. The biggest draw to the diesels was the superior fuel economy. But I do agree that they seemed a bit sluggish..mostly due to size of the tires I’d believe. Still even with that I’d think the result would be the same. My 6.4psd feels like it’s sweet spot is 2000-2500ish rpms. Once the turbos get moving it puts the power down.
This is a crucial test for Land Rover owners. If you have a Land Rover now you know which truck will tow you home the quickest when it breaks down.
i used to have an old f250 with the 351 v8. i love the look of those old fords. to bad mine ended up being a money pit in terms of electrical issues
My 95 power stroke would tow like there was nothing behind me. It was a beast
I'm still taking the old diesel, the won't get there fast but the weight will tow much nicer. Also the simplicity and reliablity are huge for me.
Awesome video- great demonstration of just how much improvement has been made in modern trucks. Makes you wonder what towing will be like in 20 more years?
"Tow Vehicles" will become a thing of the past as electric hub motors on trailer axles progress. Many companies, including Airstream are working on that right now.
Straight-piped IDI’s are the second-best sounding diesels. Right behind the Detroit 2 strokes!
Did that semi on the interstate do a rev match downshift at 10:13 ? 😂
Maybe it was downhill?
that was the jake brake on the semi
Wasn’t a rev match it was probably a 13 or 18 speed so the gear ratios are close and he just downshifted one or two gears
For those of us still driving an idi (probably true of Cummins) we are under no illusion that they are fast, however we can fix just about everything on our trucks quickly for very little cost ourselves. Very few people can say that about modern trucks.
Interesting but towing prowess is a lot more than 0-60. I’d like to see a series of these testing multiple aspects of towing with the different years
0-60 is basically the only way they know how to test anything whether it has anything to do with it or not lol
As always another good video gentlemen. It would be the Dodge for me.
Cummins definitely had the best sound
Loving my '20 titan!
Not really a half ton. The xd falls somewhere between half and three quarters. If it was a regular titan it would be a true half ton and not as good at towing.
They are just over grown half tons
I tend to disagree. Call it whatever they want, Nissan tried but still fell short of the market. For example the XD has a tow rating of 10.8k lbs compared to 12.7k (2020 Dodge 1500) and 13.2k (2020 Ford F150).
They have the most "standard" horsepower because they only have 1 engine option. Ford, Dodge (yeah yeah, I know), and Chevy have better options.
Having owned 3 Titans over the years it seemed natural to get the XD when it came out. There's a Ford in my driveway today.
@@rbhe357 Not arguing that there are much better towing options but by weight classification it's a 2B which is the category for 3/4 ton trucks. It's hard to call it a 3/4 ton though because it gets absolutely destroyed by any other 3/4 ton in performance. It also tows about 1600 lbs more and has about a 900lb higher payload compared to the standard Titan which is a true half ton. This is due to a heavier duty frame. That being said if I were buying a truck I would compare it to half tons(wouldn't really consider a standard titan)and if I were looking for a HD truck I would not even consider the XD .
This is like comparing lemons to limes to avocados, it's really about just going out and having some fun!
the older truck will always be a better value purchase and sometimes hold up much longer too
I wonder about the MPG of all of these, and maybe including an older gas and a newer diesel to really look at the differences between old and new.....I feel like that could be a whole series that many would be interested in!
Not sure about the old Ford but rouser old cummins were very well known to get extremely good fuel mileage even when towing. It took a bit to get up to speed but that cummins would have pulled that trailer all day long easily at that speed once up and moving and probably would get mid-high teens fuel economy. The titan would pull it easily too but being gas would probably drop to single digits or barely in the double digits.
Now I'm curious about a 0-60 test on a modern diesel truck vs gas! Wouldn't mind seeing a 3.92 rear end 5.7 Hemi test in the same manner! This opens up a world of possibilities!
Back in the 70’s speed limit was 55, was not uncommon to see a truck pulling travel trailer at 45-55 MPH tops. Andre’s handle should be “Fancy Bear.” 😂
As an example
New suburban: around 50k - 70k give or take
A 1996 Suburban 2500 costed me 3500 dollars
Yeah
Love the sound of the turbo in the cummins
I knew before i clicked they werent going to put shit for weight behind these trucks. My stock 2nd gen cummins can see 20k in trailer weight and tow it easy as pie.
I'm curious about a towing fuel mileage run on these. Not so much to see what the Nissan would average but to see how bad the other two are.
I was in Grade 11 in 94'...great video... thanks Roman and Andre☺
Lol depending on when in 94 I was either in 11th or starting 12th. Damn I'm old!
@@cfltitan 44yrs ...not even 50 yet!!...you can't be much older than me.
How about a 7.3l new gas VS 7.3l old diesel! I have a great running 2003 7.3l powerstroke that is up to the challenge.
Yes they do need to for sure
I want to see gunsmoke go up the ike gauntlet
Me too! It probably won't make it out of second gear, but I'll bet it would make it, nonetheless!