Old vs. New Cummins Trucks - Can An Old Diesel Tow As Much As A New One? | Taming Tumbleweed Ep. 1
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As luxurious and capable as the new Ram 2500 is, there’s just something good, simple, and honest about an old square body with a 5.9 12 valve Cummins. 👍
Still no comparison lol the new ones straight up murder any of the old ones
Square bodies are awesome. That's my childhood, right there.
I rather own that GMC Cummins than any new diesel.. simplicity is the key 👍
Stuck in the stone age
@@-zerocool- says the “hackers” fan lol
David has great on camera chemistry with the rest of you. Looking forward to this series and seeing more of him!
David definitely has a great sense of humor, I would imagine perfected by a lifetime of honest/practical work!
Yep, always great to see David back on TFL! He's a great addition to the crew!
I agree. I was gunna mention something about this guy.
I’m glad you let Dave drive with the load. It’s always interesting to watch someone move from a 90’s vehicle to a modern day one.
Thanks David, for showing so much concern for our windshields.
David is a great addition to TFL!
Most agreed!
David seems like he's a jack of all trades. Good addition to your team. That old chevy is gorgeous ..you just don't see them anymore.
Master of none....
I've got 3 square body's I had 4but I sold one I've had 10 or more over the years they are good trucks.
@@ShainAndrews often times better then a master of one
Been looking forward to this.
The serious motoring journalism is fine and all but I prefer the not too serious truck based shenanigans.
Would love if you guys kept including pricing in this series! Understanding what projects like this can cost is a big help
Running an exhaust brake on David's 12v would be perfectly fine as long as the calve springs get upgraded to 60 pound springs. Exhaust brakes like PacBrakes are designed to have a maximum backpressure of 60lbs or less. Cummins themselves have advised people that idle long periods of time to run exhaust brakes, because it adds a load to the engine which increases EGTs, therefore giving a much cleaner and healthier burn. I would highly doubt that 60psi of pressure would reduce the life of a diesel engine that has something like 400psi just from its own compression ratio. If David had more questions eother the guys at power driven, or even calling PacBrake could give him good answers
Exhaust brake while idling increases EGT ? It hampers scavenging which effectively is an exhaust gas recirculation system, which is typically used to lower EGT's to reduce NoX emission.... ?
@Connor W. David’s truck has a K27 turbo and a AFC live- he, or someone working on this truck, is already talking with PDD. You’re 100% correct about upgrading to 60 Lb valve springs and I agree this truck with its size, weight and manual transmission would be a great candidate for an exhaust brake. Head studs will help contain the additional cylinder pressure and also step up to 4K governor springs if they haven’t done so already.
@@Sjanzo the engine has to work to push the exhaust out. Keeps it warmer.
That GM body with a Cummins and manual transmission is the best thing ever
the TR6070 7-speed and tranza 4X4 + atlas T-case conversation is a better pick in my opinion omost did it to my mid-80's K1500 but my local government changed the rules so im not sure i can get it to pass/tag it so now for a BEV swap instead and the 6-BT Cummins diesel generator in the trailer/bed 😉 as a work around and so the inspection does see it 😉
I scored a 96 k3500 dully with the same engine trans combo and a 9ft western plow 4x4 extended cab for 5k. Was a southern truck so the paints shoddy but only one cab corners gonr
Before you break the bank with road grinding asphalt, invest in some Geotex fabric to place the asphalt on top of. Geotex will keep the tailings from sinking into the driveway and parking area.
If no fabric is used, every spring when the ground does it's spring thaw, the asphalt will sink into the abyss.
Lame
Digging the headliner in that squarebody.
I would take one of the old near indestructible Cummins now days especially for this type of work..
Nice new ranch!
The Silver Bucket obviously is very capable of handling a tow. Always appreciate David's participation in such endeavors. :)
It’s cool seeing the roads I used to travel when I lived out there. Makes me want to move back.
I'm in love with David's truck! A square body with a Cummins, doesn't get any better than that. The great thing about that truck is though it's a 1990, it could be a 1973 and still be the exact same thing lol.
This is going to be a great series 👍
Keep up this type of content. I purchased a Ram 2500 Cummins because of your Chanel. I live on a farm and it’s awesome to see other’s ideas
I love the paisley roof liner on the older truck😀
I was immediately jealous!
These guys are playing Snow runner in real life and I'm jealous. 🤣 Any job openings?
Andre's reaction ... oh yes big truck big truck ... just priceless ... got to love a happy man
Loved the video, I'm glad & hope you continue to carry us through the build of tumbleweed.
Can't touch the power of the new truck but I'd take the old square body.
This is not a good comparison, you need to do stock for stock. That 94 cummins was rated at only 175hp, with that big turbo and no doubt bigger injectors it's far superior to the 12v in stock form.
For the old school exhaust brake, the reason they dont do the inline flap factory is due to the stress this would cause on the turbo as most trucks use vgt style turbos. Instead it closes the vgt to create a back pressure. Your old school truck uses a fixed geometry turbo, so the only thing you need to worry about is valve float. This can be solved 1of 2 ways. A. Figure out stock psi of valve springs (i.e 70psi) and set your inline exhaust to relieve at 20psi before that (i.e 50psi) this way you never hold in more than your valves can handle.
B. add stiffer valve springs of your desire to run it more worry free.
Meanwhile exhaust brakes were factory on just about every Japanese truck ever, since VGTs were even dreamt of.
Excellent series and David is a damn good addition. More David, more ranch videos!!!
The best thing about old locking hubs is u can use the 4 lo with the front hubs open and u can get into tight areas without ridding the clutch and burning it up.
Set up my 01 to do the same. Just take out the vacuum crap
Seeing this really makes me love my 97 F250 even more that GMC is a beautiful truck
Ive got a 96 f350, 4 door long bed, 4x4, 7.3l. I love it. Its definitely not as "comfortable" as the new ones (I have a 2017 also), but I would rather drive the old one. It sounds like a real diesel should. Should also be radio delete, lol
I am enjoying this series and look forward to more. Probably the most hilarious thing is you are calling that little piece of property a ranch, city people, lol.
Love that rumble of the old cummins!
Andre and Roman sure do shovel slow and they’re going to need some boots out there. Look forward to seeing the progress on the ranch and the guys!
It's great to see someone who appreciates the 2nd gen Cummins. I bought mine about 20 years ago when it had 400K miles on it. I was looking for an older Cummins and specifically with a 5 speed. My previous truck was an older Chevy with the 454 and an automatic which was always heating up on hills due to the automatic transmission. I was towing a 30 ft. 5th wheel that weighed around 13K loaded. Anyway the truck and trailer combination with the Ram quad cab was usually around 21000 and the old Cummins has pulled it fairly well. Now that I am breaking down more than truck, it will probably go to my landscaper. It has just shy of 500K and has held up better than my 5th wheel.
This is eerie! I have a similar story! I had a 98 k3500 that my 5th wheel hauler with a 454 got spicy going up and down hills around town. Found a guy I knew who had a 96 k3500 dully with a 12v Cummins, nv4500 4x4 and a 9ft western plow. I sold my 98 454 gas truck for 6k and this dude sold me his 12v Cummings truck for 5k! I love this truck!
The sound, the torque, the 5 speed, the boost, and better fuel mileage, this truck you can't help but have a est shit grin in your face while driving it! I don't care if diesel is 10 bucks a gallon I'm going to be buried in this truck
Really looking forward to your Tumbleweed series. Great first episode!
David is a wealth of knowledge! Gotta say he definitely beat you and Andre spreading that gravel.
Excellent fellas..can't wait to see future videos at the ranch.
That's a great idea. I'd appreciate his honesty.
David showing theses city guys what work is all about. Here's a shovel. LOL
He hit the 4 low while going like 40 lol. I like this new guy, seems like a regular blue-collar guy.
Awesome ! Looking forward to seeing more of Dave . Seems like a handy dude and a great addition tot the team. That Chevy is 🔥. And the ram should get a name like , Silver Back 😎🦍
Looking forward to more episodes of building off-road test features on the ranch with david!
Good vidjéo boys, David had the proper grip on the Hickory 5000 earth mover. Makes it easier to maneuver material around with the overhand/underhand method. Can't wait to see the progress you guys make🤩
Love the content. My favorite, trucks and construction.
Love this content! Seems like David is the only one who knows how to handle a shovel. Can we pitch in to buy Roman some work boots as thise wierd tennis shoes are city boy gear
Im a owner of a 2022 Cummins myself and love it. However, I have to say......that GM Cummins is bad ass. I really think my next project should be a sixth gen one ton crew cab Ford (I have access to a primo 73’). Then drop in a 12v and an Allison. I’ve been thinking about my next project for a while and I think that may be it.
Ans no, an exhaust brake will absolutely not hurt your truck. It’s actually beneficial on the new ones (even though it work a little differently). It actually helps with soot removal. Again, the new ones work a little differently.
A 73 Ford Crew cab as in 4 doors??? With a long Box??? Either way get it and dont look back its money in the bank. You are lucky and this feller i know has a 7.3 from a 97
@@peterparker9286 Yes 4 doors. The bed for these years are 80” so that’s even better. I don’t want a 8’ bed. I already purchased it and have it torn down to the frame. I started on the engine build last weekend.
@@specforged5651 Sweet Happy building. Nice to resurrect a 50 year old real sheet metal truck. Happy trials FORD TOUGH. 👍
@@peterparker9286 Thanks! Ya this thing has some seriously heavy parts on it. I’ve been using my tractor to move around most of it. Best part is I haven’t found one spec of rust. It’s been sitting in a friend of mines grandpas climate controlled garage with a cover for 25 years.
@@specforged5651 Wow that is Nice. My Father had a 78 Ranger it was an F150 with a 351 in it and it had the big Axles. Put a 400 from a station wagon in it with a set of headman headers. Un corked the headers and ran the mud drags was placing beating big boys off trailers and laughing like heck. Some of those cammed out trailer queens didnt have nuthing for that F150 daily driver. Them where the days of my Youth up in the Upper Peninsula. 90's lol. Nice chat.
Nice project. I like both those trucks. You definitely need a skid steer for this though. It will not just spread it but you can also back drag with a smooth edge bucket and it will pack it down to a much harder surface. I'd recommend using a tracked machine for this project since they are easier for keeping a level grade.
That gmc is awesome but that headliner would drive me nuts. 😂
I’m so excited for this series
I have a huge soft spot for those ol square body chevy pick-up trucks. Specially with that cummins swap *chefs kiss*
My 94 3500 Series Regular Cab had a 24 inch frame extension for the tunnel box, my wrecker body was on the back of that. It was a 4x4 and boy did she run the Northeast Extension to the Pennsylvania Turnpike. It wasn’t the fastest but when I was running Copart she did the job perfect. I had it laid out with all the creature comforts. Basically I drove that more than my car so I would push the clutch pedal down in my car which was an automatic. Lol 😂 Boy do I miss Old #8. I had many an adventure with the old girl!!!
Old looks and sounds great! 🔥
That old truck is awesome!
Fun fact. I used to be a Jeep Salesman in the Denver area. There used to be Osborn AMC Jeep Renault dealership on 104th Street in Thornton. We had the only off-road test track in Colorado. In the very back of the lot. It had hills, logs and rocks. The idea was to show people the capabilities of the jeep.
Roman, how was your first time using a shovel?
first AND last time using a shovel
He definitely looked out of his element lol
@@travisb9130 At the store they told him all the working men dressed like that.
I drive the same set up as the Chevy but in a Dodge platform, it’s one of the more reliable drivetrains of all time. Don’t get me wrong I can afford a new truck, but nothing beats the simplicity and ease of mind you get by driving an old tank Cummins. Coming from a 2014 6.7 powerstroke it’s a world of difference. Simplify your life to expand your brain.
I like the old truck, was swapping a 350 for new 350 in 1982 K10 Chevy. Side lined for now with broken ankle. Don't want new because I am purely manual transmission guy...
This series looks awesome. Should do a drag race head to head. Loaded and unloaded.
David makes these kind of videos! Looking forward to part 2. Dig the new ranch.
When I spread recycled asphalt or gravel, I just use my snow plow on my ATV to spread the asphalt/gravel around. When you set the skid shoes to the right height, it does a decent job leveling off the material.
Like wise or the truck works great
Just used my '92 Dodge Cummins with a manual to tow our 30' toy hauler 140 miles out to the socal desert. Got 13mpg and the truck never complained.
Love my 1994 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 5.9 Cummins 5spd. 323k and still running strong.
Every video with David is a good video!
Absolutely can not beat the holy grail 12v 😍🙌🏼🙌🏼
I still use a ‘91 7.3 IDI to pull our RV. Just did a 1600 mile round trip to east TN last week. GCVW ~22k lbs. avg’d 7.3 MPG
How exciting fellas. Talk about fruits of your labor.
Since you bought it to clean up Tumbleweed you could name the new Ram The Marshall. Good luck with the project. I look forward to more videos.
I see some Carhartt sponsorship coming your way soon!
I enjoy these characters and the ranch prep content. I'm stuck at home due to gas prices and the shamdemic killed my job and income. I'm still very blessed so no pity party. Would have liked to buy the hybrid Maverick but that quickly turned into a joke attempt due to availability shortages and greedy dealerships.
Anyone who has ever had one of the auto 4x4 systems fail when you're off road, knows how valuable manual hubs are. I'd like to say it's only happened once but it's happened several times, usually requiring to be pulled out. It's convenient, but you can also just leave your hubs locked in if you know you're going to be encountering adverse terrain.
I get several calls a Month from people in "Newer" Vehicles with Electric or vacuum 4x4 and the 4x4 failed for some stupid reason !. And I use my 1990 Ford F-350 4x4 with a "Old School" Wrecker Bed on it, And a go "Drag Their Asses Outta the Woods !!!. NOTHING built today is as "Dependable" as These old trucks are/where !!!.
my 01 i replaced the vaccum with a cable.
Best thing I ever did was say forget it and lock the front in as default.
She runs 80 down the highway just fine and when it's snowing seems much less prone to sliding out...
4x4 works when I need it and I can still use cable to use 2lo
That's crazy, that dump trailer is from where I am! You don't normally see that in a video!
Hard rake would work much better than shovels. Also box blade on tractor would be best for cutting driveway.
This was fun to watch....great job.
Love me some Cummins 💪
Loved this video and will absolutely love this series!
I would love to see y’all have David start doing equipment reviews. Iv always wanted to see a TFL EQUIPMENT
That exact setup for the square body is my dream setup
That GMC is a sweet ride
As a reference point for David; my '89 K3500 CC dually with a turned up 1st gen 12 valve (which is the one with stock ratings of 160/400) was dynoed at 330hp (so over 400 at the flywheel) & 770lbft at the tires with a WH1C and POD's (no longer run those, tons of power but they ran dirty & hot)
Btw: I have a Chevy tranny out of a '04 2500HD - we just installed the big 1 3/8" input & Dodge bellhousing.
Project Rust Bucket was putting 170 to the wheels with 25% convertor slippage before they put a wrench to it.
Tractor engines were almost always underrated in the days of mechanical injection.
My brother just bought a 3500 4WD for towing his 5tn wheel .. Told me he was going 85 without realizing it ... But lighter weight truck and stopping distance on the same load, he said it was scary when he realized how fast he was going ... plus trailer tire blowout risk.
That was a job that absolutely needs a skid steer, good planning there.
10:20 To clarify/correct this, 1995 was the first year of 7.3l powerstroke. 1994 was the first year of 7.3l idi turbo. All 7.3l idi engines under 1994 did NOT come factory with a turbo setup.
DAVID IS THE BEST SHOW HIM MORE!!!!!!!!
Old school cool Chevy and Cummin marriage will last a lifetime. Love this video!
Re: exhaust brake. It works best in Full mode and manually downshifting using the buttons on the steering wheel. The RPM must be ABOVE 1,000rpm for the best braking action.
My 2019 RAM 1500 HEMI is rated at 6900 Max vehicle and 11000 max towing, witch is about what you guys had on your 1st run in the old GMC with the early Cummings engine. The 5.7 HEMI has around 400 HP and torque from the factory. Ive seen many UA-cam videos of modified 6BT Cummings engines that have 600-800 HP and god-like torque!
Great video guys. Glad to see the work getting started.
Great job, great video can't wait for the next episode
I've done more work with 4cyl S10's, rangers and nissan hardbodies that most owners of modern trucks have. It's great that these insanely powerful and big trucks exist, some people really need them for what they do. But a lot of people buy them when a sub 200hp truck could have done the work they need a truck to do. My dad used to do some crazy stuff with his ram that had a slant 6 and a granny gear.
first 5 minutes of this episode taught me it could be relatively cheap to get a nice looking driveway.
Look into the U.S Gear Aux overdrive unit for the NV4500, it's full hydraulic, better fuel mileage and able to split gears while towing heavy. And I do believe they have a hydraulic engine brake option also but don't quote me.
Hey Dave if you're looking for a good exhaust break for an old truck like that lookup Pacbrake. We've installed them on old 12 valves like that and they work almost just like the new exhaust brakes on these 5th gen Rams.
Good job David tame those City slickers
Really like the exhaust brake on my 5.9
That gmc Cummings it is beautiful, inside, outside.
I love when a dude really knows how to back up a trailer😎 like you guys.
Oh right, and my dad😊
That old truck is perfect
Have had a pac exhaust brake on all my cummins with no issue! For David!!
What an awesome truck
I am sorry that was painful to watch, you are so lucky to have a friend who knows a bit……🇦🇺
“Over priced” “ empty silver mine” “broke prospector” lololol 😂
@11:20 careful Roman, Ford will throw you in the dog house again 😂
I’m a Cummins guy but we’re steady blowing holes in the side of 6.7 industria blocks at my work , they need to chill on the boost in the ECU haha
okay when the guy sweeps the excess asphalt off his trailer that just let me know hes a real one.
If that 12 valve has any kind of tuning(which it does) and especially with that turbo, that 300/600 number is underated. Id guess more like 350/700 to 800.