Milo, as a former baseball player I’ve been putting your videos into practice and have found the concepts very transferable. It seems to make more sense in my brain that way or perhaps it’s my muscle memory. I’m reading these other comments and trying to understand why a “baseball swing” in the correct golf plane isn’t ideal. Because I will say when I watch the tape back, my reference points always seem to be in better positions and my swing simultaneously feels more natural and athletic 🤷🏼♂️
Milo, this video has been a game-changer for me! As an avid golfer, I’ve struggled with weight transfer, especially hanging too much on my right side. Your tip helped me shift my weight effectively to the left, resulting in better shots. I’ve subscribed to your channel and will share this gem with my golf league members. Thank you for your invaluable insights!
I encourage the viewer to watch the motion around 6:41ish. The arms/elbows, indeed, do drop. The shaft moves from a steeper backswing plane back to the original address shaft plane…blended with body rotation. This is the classic pro-shallowing of the club. Koepka, DJ, and even Trevino do/did this. Rham does it without the steep backswing. But again, the arms indeed do drop in front of the chest. Tiger dropped his arms in his youth (watch old footage with Butch). Thankfully, he’s found his way back to this technique. Tiger’s shaft angles are very stable today. You won’t see much re-routing… that is the steep backswing to shallowed out downswing. Watch current film of him. Also Adam Scott. Super-stable shaft angles. That’s why his swing is so pretty.
You are correct. We do have different definitions about what it means to drop the arms. What you demonstrate at 9:14ish about dropping the arms is NOT even close to what I’m trying to say regarding this. That’s why I encourage viewers to watch the likes of players I’ve mentioned. How about two more: Justin Rose (shares his feel vs. real swing drill), and Luke Donald (Grexa Golf instruction). Justin clearly states dropping his arms, and Luke’s elbows stay VERY level during his “drop.” There is certainly more to it than just the drop, but their arms do drop. I just want to clear that up. Your demonstration is not what I advocate.
What I love about these instructors is that they present their preferences without stating it's an absolute.....which makes zero sense in golf. There are few absolutes in something that can have so many different combinations.(ie Furyk/Garcia). 10/10.❤
Yes!! As you said there are almost no absolutes just preferences and we present the preferences that we have found to help ourselves and the majority of our students.
Another good tip. Thx Milo and Henry. I have been really focusing on the 1st fundamental on the website. I saw Tommy Fleetwood talk about he did that drill thousands of times to get his body matched up to his hands.
I’m glad I helped inspire you to make this video.😊 Milo and Henry have been working with me on this problem, and I’m getting better! And now I have this excellent video to refer to as I work through it. Thanks, you guys are great!
Milo, love the channel! I was wondering if you can do a video on keeping tempo? I seem to always get real quick and fast in the golf swing. Thank you in advance!!
I am really impressed by the ducks at the 4:39 mark. I mean, real kinetic stuff is going on right in their vicinity, potentially fatal stuff, and they couldn't care less. :)
The subtlety of the shoulder movements at 3:19 is something I have not seen before. It seems the right shoulder drops under the plane and a little further from the right ear and little closer to the ball. Simultaneously the left shoulder raises above the plane, a little closer to the left ear and further from the ball. I would love to see this discussed in more detail.
Milo, for a while now I’ve practiced on turning the club face down (feeling like I twist the grip counterclockwise) to compress the ball but I feel like my body stalls through impact and I can’t get through. Then when I feel like I twist the grip in a clockwise motion (hitter style pattern) I’m able open up but then my club face is wide open… how do I blend the 2?
Milo does hand depth at top of backswing affect this technique? if you pause at 8:16 your hand depth is near the front of your shoes when most players (including me) have them near the heel of the shoes. Do deeper hands cause issues performing this technique?
In working on your swing movements my tendency is to hit behind the ball and move forward on the ball, which I guess both issues are from the moving in front of the down swing, any videos on this issue or suggestions, Thanks
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Since I generally come over the top.. (pop ups and low hooks ). I’ve been practicing dropping the arms down with good results.. I think in general average player comes over the top this might be good for tour player…
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Not a fan of George Gankas. No one on Tour, and I mean no one, does that signature lower body Gankas move in transition (right knee works external as the left knee spins around). I also disagree regarding the arms. The arms do drop as the body pivots. The problem with emphasizing the hands and arms going out towards the ball is that movement usually steepens the club and it pitches out way over plane that causes a lot of pulls and slice cuts.
@@MiloLinesGolf Understood. You didn’t mention Gankas’s signature lower body move. Just not a fan of him in general. I enjoy your channel and your collaborations with Henry.
Thanks for following along as always and we always are here to discuss, as for hands moving out towards ball in transition and causing the shaft to steepen, we see many great players in fact make that move and maintain the plane or even shallow the shaft.
The arms do drop right out of the top with every great player a substantial amount They have to. They just don’t drop behind you Always recconect in front of “shirt seam “ on side. Which puts arms in front. They drop from the top in every great player, do not try to hold them up and just turn
AMG boys talk about this but problem is that they don’t address how pros do it and is it an intentional or passive move. I made it intentional and that failed with pulls and hooks. I was much better with a focus on letting my hands fall based on what my chest and pivot were doing.
Of course a baseball swing doesn’t drop down…you’re hitting a ball that is much higher than the ground (hopefully😂). GEARS shows that virtually every great ball striker drops/lowers their arms, re-attaching the trail arm to their rib cage! When you demo the “drop,” you don’t rotate your torso or lower body at all. That’s what gets the arms coming out and around. When you then demo your preference, the hips and torso do rotate, so it’s a flawed demo. Again, GEARS can isolate the movements of every part of the swing and clearly shows the downward move (relative to the torso) of both arms!!!
A baseball swing at a low pitch is on just as steep a plane as a golf swing. I have a problem with attempting to isolate movements. No joint or segment moves in isolation in any dynamic motion that line of thinking is reductionist and generally not helpful.
Attached perhaps, but where in relation to your side / seam line? Many we find get it trapped with what you are describing. As we state countless times we are sharing our preferences based on the many students we see on a daily basis and what feels and athletic movements bring about true transformations.
If you do it properly, your right elbow would be tucked in and not get flaired out like in this video. This is the move that SO MANY tour players use. Everyone has different way of shallowing clubs, like lowering hands, supanate wrist on top, lowering shoulder(side bend), tucking right elbow(like in this video). That's why i pointed out in the video, it felt misleading because he lowered hands in wrong way
When I lower the arms, I find myself stuck behind. Sometimes, it feels better if I feel like my hands remain at the shoulder level and I simply move the shoulders. I just don't know what to do from impact to finish. It feels radically different.
How do you think of the arms moving in the golf swing??
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Just curious. Why did you guys tee it up during this drill?
Milo, as a former baseball player I’ve been putting your videos into practice and have found the concepts very transferable. It seems to make more sense in my brain that way or perhaps it’s my muscle memory. I’m reading these other comments and trying to understand why a “baseball swing” in the correct golf plane isn’t ideal. Because I will say when I watch the tape back, my reference points always seem to be in better positions and my swing simultaneously feels more natural and athletic 🤷🏼♂️
Love that you’re able to convert your baseball swing. Keep it up!
Milo, this video has been a game-changer for me! As an avid golfer, I’ve struggled with weight transfer, especially hanging too much on my right side. Your tip helped me shift my weight effectively to the left, resulting in better shots. I’ve subscribed to your channel and will share this gem with my golf league members. Thank you for your invaluable insights!
You bet, thanks so much for following along!
I encourage the viewer to watch the motion around 6:41ish. The arms/elbows, indeed, do drop. The shaft moves from a steeper backswing plane back to the original address shaft plane…blended with body rotation. This is the classic pro-shallowing of the club. Koepka, DJ, and even Trevino do/did this. Rham does it without the steep backswing. But again, the arms indeed do drop in front of the chest. Tiger dropped his arms in his youth (watch old footage with Butch). Thankfully, he’s found his way back to this technique. Tiger’s shaft angles are very stable today. You won’t see much re-routing… that is the steep backswing to shallowed out downswing. Watch current film of him. Also Adam Scott. Super-stable shaft angles. That’s why his swing is so pretty.
We have different definitions of dropping the arms.
You are correct. We do have different definitions about what it means to drop the arms. What you demonstrate at 9:14ish about dropping the arms is NOT even close to what I’m trying to say regarding this. That’s why I encourage viewers to watch the likes of players I’ve mentioned. How about two more: Justin Rose (shares his feel vs. real swing drill), and Luke Donald (Grexa Golf instruction). Justin clearly states dropping his arms, and Luke’s elbows stay VERY level during his “drop.” There is certainly more to it than just the drop, but their arms do drop. I just want to clear that up. Your demonstration is not what I advocate.
Nice - I see why this would be useful. I would love to see you demonstrate the GBox Shallower.
We may just put that in use sometime as well!
What I love about these instructors is that they present their preferences without stating it's an absolute.....which makes zero sense in golf. There are few absolutes in something that can have so many different combinations.(ie Furyk/Garcia).
10/10.❤
Yes!! As you said there are almost no absolutes just preferences and we present the preferences that we have found to help ourselves and the majority of our students.
@@MiloLinesGolf That's what makes this philosophy stand out! Cheers.
Thanks for further pointing this out and following along!
Very helpful video with great demonstrations! Gonna work on that!! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Another good tip. Thx Milo and Henry. I have been really focusing on the 1st fundamental on the website. I saw Tommy Fleetwood talk about he did that drill thousands of times to get his body matched up to his hands.
Bingo! Thanks for watching Jason...let's keep it going!
For me this is revolutionary.
Now I understand a lot of things. Key to unlock a Hogan like swing
Glad you enjoyed it and got something out of it! If I can ever be of further help, please do reach out or join my online academy at milolinesgolf.com
I’m glad I helped inspire you to make this video.😊 Milo and Henry have been working with me on this problem, and I’m getting better! And now I have this excellent video to refer to as I work through it. Thanks, you guys are great!
Thanks for watching Allen, glad it resonated!
This is a great video. It's is perfect for helping me find feels I had when I played college golf.
Great to hear!
Excellent drill and better way to feel the right arm/forearm in the downswing, I cant wait to go to the driving range.
Thanks for watching and let us know how it goes!
Milo, love the channel! I was wondering if you can do a video on keeping tempo? I seem to always get real quick and fast in the golf swing. Thank you in advance!!
Here's a good episode we did a while back with Elite Golf Schools on that subject: ua-cam.com/video/6P9UIjUpxeE/v-deo.html
I am really impressed by the ducks at the 4:39 mark. I mean, real kinetic stuff is going on right in their vicinity, potentially fatal stuff, and they couldn't care less. :)
haha
The subtlety of the shoulder movements at 3:19 is something I have not seen before. It seems the right shoulder drops under the plane and a little further from the right ear and little closer to the ball. Simultaneously the left shoulder raises above the plane, a little closer to the left ear and further from the ball. I would love to see this discussed in more detail.
Possibly this video could help: ua-cam.com/video/0Ggd63StcDA/v-deo.html
Milo, for a while now I’ve practiced on turning the club face down (feeling like I twist the grip counterclockwise) to compress the ball but I feel like my body stalls through impact and I can’t get through. Then when I feel like I twist the grip in a clockwise motion (hitter style pattern) I’m able open up but then my club face is wide open… how do I blend the 2?
Great video! I looked into ordering the GBox but don't see it on the website.
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Milo does hand depth at top of backswing affect this technique? if you pause at 8:16 your hand depth is near the front of your shoes when most players (including me) have them near the heel of the shoes. Do deeper hands cause issues performing this technique?
pure shots.
Thanks for watching!
Excellent video!!
Thanks so much Robert!
That's the real test of a good player - ducks right in front of you guys and you didn't flinch :-) Great video guys.
Haha thanks for watching Matt!
In working on your swing movements my tendency is to hit behind the ball and move forward on the ball, which I guess both issues are from the moving in front of the down swing, any videos on this issue or suggestions, Thanks
Have I seen you swing? I’d love to help you. I suggest joining my online academy where I can give you the personalized coaching you need. milolinesgolf.com
The box is also handy for storing snacks out there on the range.
hahaha
Working on this and hitting the odd shank? Any reason why?
Hey Ken, could be a multitude of reasons for that club getting too far outside ball line, but I'd have to see to offer best feedback.
@MiloLinesGolf Any instructors out in San Diego that you recommend?
Ed Lasater
Since I generally come over the top.. (pop ups and low hooks ). I’ve been practicing dropping the arms down with good results.. I think in general average player comes over the top this might be good for tour player…
@jeffp2001 everything depends on where you’re coming from ...If I can ever be of further help to you in learning to Swing Like an Athlete, please do check out my website at milolinesgolf.com for in-person or online lessons, golf schools, or to become a member of my Online Academy.
Not a fan of George Gankas. No one on Tour, and I mean no one, does that signature lower body Gankas move in transition (right knee works external as the left knee spins around). I also disagree regarding the arms. The arms do drop as the body pivots. The problem with emphasizing the hands and arms going out towards the ball is that movement usually steepens the club and it pitches out way over plane that causes a lot of pulls and slice cuts.
Who mentioned George’s old leg work? And you’re welcome to disagree with me. I’m just showing what has worked best for me and my students.
@@MiloLinesGolf Understood. You didn’t mention Gankas’s signature lower body move. Just not a fan of him in general. I enjoy your channel and your collaborations with Henry.
Thanks for following along as always and we always are here to discuss, as for hands moving out towards ball in transition and causing the shaft to steepen, we see many great players in fact make that move and maintain the plane or even shallow the shaft.
It would seem that the chest lowering feels like it starts around p3.5...before the arms have finished going up?
Great analysis James, typically we see good ball strikers starting to land and flex slightly before the finish of their backswing.
I signed up with milo purely on this video.
Love it let’s get to work
@@MiloLinesGolf I'll be zooming with you Monday AM brother. Working on left hand grip strength and foundation 2. No more looping
applying this my chest get more down and lots of side bend in the follow through, looks more pro but not sure my body can handle it through 18 hole 😂
The arms do drop right out of the top with every great player a substantial amount They have to. They just don’t drop behind you Always recconect in front of “shirt seam “ on side. Which puts arms in front. They drop from the top in every great player, do not try to hold them up and just turn
If you move them down the incline as we demonstrated they are lowering at the appropriate rate.
AMG boys talk about this but problem is that they don’t address how pros do it and is it an intentional or passive move. I made it intentional and that failed with pulls and hooks. I was much better with a focus on letting my hands fall based on what my chest and pivot were doing.
@@KielLillibridgeLoansyou ever see the AMG boys hit a golf ball?
@@TheBooze13no have you?
@@MiloLinesGolf nope lol
You turn your hands way over. Nothing like cupping your hands through like Duvall.
Of course a baseball swing doesn’t drop down…you’re hitting a ball that is much higher than the ground (hopefully😂).
GEARS shows that virtually every great ball striker drops/lowers their arms, re-attaching the trail arm to their rib cage! When you demo the “drop,” you don’t rotate your torso or lower body at all. That’s what gets the arms coming out and around. When you then demo your preference, the hips and torso do rotate, so it’s a flawed demo. Again, GEARS can isolate the movements of every part of the swing and clearly shows the downward move (relative to the torso) of both arms!!!
A baseball swing at a low pitch is on just as steep a plane as a golf swing. I have a problem with attempting to isolate movements. No joint or segment moves in isolation in any dynamic motion that line of thinking is reductionist and generally not helpful.
When you're dropping arms, your right elbow is naturally getting attached to your body, unlike demonstration shown here why it's "wrong".
Attached perhaps, but where in relation to your side / seam line? Many we find get it trapped with what you are describing. As we state countless times we are sharing our preferences based on the many students we see on a daily basis and what feels and athletic movements bring about true transformations.
If you do it properly, your right elbow would be tucked in and not get flaired out like in this video. This is the move that SO MANY tour players use. Everyone has different way of shallowing clubs, like lowering hands, supanate wrist on top, lowering shoulder(side bend), tucking right elbow(like in this video). That's why i pointed out in the video, it felt misleading because he lowered hands in wrong way
thank you for not hitting the ducks
lol
Because I drop down so much in the back, this will feel like I'm swinging on the shoulder plane, lol.
Are you saying you are lowering in the backswing?
When I lower the arms, I find myself stuck behind. Sometimes, it feels better if I feel like my hands remain at the shoulder level and I simply move the shoulders. I just don't know what to do from impact to finish. It feels radically different.
This drill/tool does not help an over the top swing.
We have plenty of drills for that issue too. instagram.com/reel/C6NT7B_rea6/?igsh=MXd2NWF5M3JhZ3dpbQ==
Poor goslings!
heads up
Be careful ducks
Haha
What kind of quackery 's going on here?
Elaborate...your comment doesn't leave us anything of substance to discuss.
@@MiloLinesGolf I think he was just trying to make a pun. A couple ducks walked out like they owned the place at 4:40
I see now haha