Don't Lift Your Arms In The Backswing

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  • Don't Lift Your Arms In The Backswing. In this video TJ and Riley take a deep dive into how to properly load the arms in the backswing without lifting them. Understanding how to use your spiral lines in your body is essential in creating a great takeaway.
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  • @elitegolfschools
    @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому +41

    Maybe one of our most important concepts to date… the arms hit LEVEL!! Ask questions, we’ll answer 🙏

    • @Thejoseylife
      @Thejoseylife 3 місяці тому +4

      You’ve changed my entire concept of and approach to the swing - thank you!

    • @ljfoster55
      @ljfoster55 3 місяці тому +1

      My froggin head just exploded! I have worked so hard trying to get rid of my excesses side bend in forward swing this will fix it! No reason to crunch right side through impact- force is going forward not down… correct? Thanks for great content

    • @GreenBottles808
      @GreenBottles808 3 місяці тому +1

      🤯🤯🤯

    • @claysmith7796
      @claysmith7796 3 місяці тому +1

      @@ljfoster55you will have side bend, I guess for you, you just won’t have to force it

    • @ConnorMay317
      @ConnorMay317 3 місяці тому

      working on this thought…how do I get the path less left lol

  • @TheGHINger
    @TheGHINger 3 місяці тому +8

    This just unlocked an entirely new understanding of the swing for me. Have always wondered why folks look so good swinging a baseball bat or an axe and look silly with a club. This is why. Truly elite content. My son is 4 months old but you had better believe I’ve saved this video for him! Thanks as always, gents.

  • @vegardkarlsen9609
    @vegardkarlsen9609 3 місяці тому +14

    Scary! Whenever we think we have acquired some understanding of what is (only!?) the golfswing, you surprise us past belief. Incredible to get this stuff for free here on UA-cam, also past belief. Thank You so much! 👋👋👋

  • @stevecampbell5928
    @stevecampbell5928 24 дні тому

    I came across this video because of the title and was blown away with this information. I have always heard to raise your arms in the backswing for the 25 years I have been playing bad golf. The next day I stepped out into the field beside my house to try this swing technique out. I could only use a Gap & PW because of the length of the field. After working slowly with this swing technique to begin with, I hit the 1st ball with about 60% effort 100 Yds straight to my target. As I worked up to 80% & 100% swings, I was blown away at how effortless this swing was and how much more accurate the ball flight was. So the next day I had to get to the driving range and see how this worked with full swings for all of my clubs.
    I spent 2 hours on the driving range and I found out that this swing technique works great with all of my clubs. I was striking the balls with less effort and getting 10 - 20 yards more distance with each club. And most all of the shots were landing so close to my target. My driver shots were 20 yards longer and much more straighter. I couldn't believe the results I was getting. I will be heading to the course in a few days to try this out.
    I am a mid handi-capper with a driver swing speed around 95, so I'm always trying to improve my game. This swing technique could really be what I needed!

  • @foreleftproductions756
    @foreleftproductions756 3 місяці тому +3

    Very well explained, really enjoyed it!

  • @tjkathrineberg
    @tjkathrineberg 3 місяці тому +13

    My fave video we’ve done in a while!!

  • @jbw749
    @jbw749 3 місяці тому +2

    What a great explanation of the cause and effect of both patterns.

  • @tonymartino7892
    @tonymartino7892 3 місяці тому +1

    So good! Thank you.

  • @gordonhamnett1289
    @gordonhamnett1289 Місяць тому

    Love the different metaphor! And it makes it so much easier to swing- reducing the forces we create by trying to "muscle" the club up and back.

  • @steveregotti8542
    @steveregotti8542 3 місяці тому +1

    Crazy detail-- great stuff!!!!!

  • @eketelon
    @eketelon 3 місяці тому +4

    Guys, I will admit, this was a little difficult to follow at first but when he motioned to swing the club back towards the camera!!! LIGHT BULB MOMENT! Thanks a mil!!

  • @treyhendersoniii3625
    @treyhendersoniii3625 2 місяці тому +1

    Incredible concept and so simple

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому

      Right on! Fairly simple concept for sure! Where you wanna send it bro?!

  • @pedroramsey
    @pedroramsey 3 місяці тому

    Loved this! will try it today!!

  • @LeeOnTheTee
    @LeeOnTheTee 3 місяці тому +11

    Guys! I absolutely love this channel and the level of detail you go into in your videos. What I would like to put out there as a bigger/stiffer (ex sports and now age against me) player is, whilst it’s great and important that you demonstrate how these feels are mapped with an elite golfer, it does sometimes make it hard to relate when these moves seemingly come easy to a lighter, more agile player. It would be great to see the journey of someone of a more ‘average’ level of golf go through these sequences and then demonstrate tangible results. Not a hater and love the content. Just think it would appeal to the masses if we feel we can also do these rapid changes without being a D1 golfer 😊

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому +4

      Love the idea and I think you’re really going to like what we have in store. Building out a model that will help a vast array of players ❤❤❤

  • @michaelfischer5301
    @michaelfischer5301 2 місяці тому +1

    Holy moly this is amazing.

  • @DylanJamesGolf
    @DylanJamesGolf Місяць тому

    Great insight and visual explanation of how the arms should work in your backswing and downswing. This actually helps me a lot !

  • @hs291267
    @hs291267 3 місяці тому +1

    wow, another extremely important part to know and to try to "feel"! just great...

  • @jakarealfredomoura
    @jakarealfredomoura 3 місяці тому +1

    Very interesting approach.👍

  • @mattgordon3437
    @mattgordon3437 3 місяці тому +1

    So interesting. I love your swing analogy and your explanation of force direction. One of my favorite books of all time is 7 Habits of Highly Effective People and your reference to proper maps reminds me of Franklin Covey explaining how important it is to know where you’re headed and to have proper maps of how to get there because otherwise you can spend years just aimlessly whacking your way through the jungle without ever achieving your destination. I’m learning so much from you. Great explanations and demonstrations. And you’re obviously having fun. Way to go guys! Keep up the great work! 😊

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому +1

      Thanks so much dude!! Appreciate the support

  • @pancakelord21
    @pancakelord21 2 місяці тому +1

    Been working with an instructor on this type of swing, but ive been having some problems with getting flippy and standing up like you talked about early on. This I think will really help me get things in the right direction more often with a lot less thinking about it over the ball. Some practice swings indicated as much. I will have to give this a shot at my range session today. Really like the forward swing thought

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому

      Fantastic! Let us know how the session goes!! 🙏❤️

  • @steveperry1344
    @steveperry1344 3 місяці тому +1

    the concept is interesting, not sure i got all of it, will watch again, thnx.

  • @pettturu
    @pettturu 28 днів тому

    Mind blowing... Thank you!!!

  • @jimfox3779
    @jimfox3779 3 місяці тому

    Thank you, anyone teaching this in Northern California..awesome backswing explanation and visuals..very enjoyable video

  • @jbplunkett1
    @jbplunkett1 2 місяці тому +1

    Intention, says it all. Saved my game, thank you.

  • @lenardtan7169
    @lenardtan7169 3 місяці тому

    Great stuff again

  • @m3toz4
    @m3toz4 3 місяці тому +1

    ❤ hi Coach this is coming up and clearly explain my thinking about force direction, a lot of coaches try to pull up the grip to hit the ball and it will need to time how much to go down and how much and when to go up. That will be too hard under pressure . This is gold ❤

  • @laogx4026
    @laogx4026 27 днів тому +1

    You guys are incredible. Wow… I’m working on some more rotational or horizontal force swings but I’m a jumper for sure, how do you hit draws with this pattern? Would be a great video explaining only your system and cuts or draws and not comparing to vertical extension patterns because it starts to muddy the water for us youtubers i think lol but anyway thank you guys so so much! You are absolutely the best!

  • @nickbaker1189
    @nickbaker1189 Місяць тому +1

    Awesome!!! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

  • @steveperry1344
    @steveperry1344 3 місяці тому +1

    i was able to try it just doing some chipping and so far it seems quite valid. i'm now thinking of the golf action as a bit more linear and not up and down so much. like you say the swing arc and rotation kinda happen anyway. thnx for the help.

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому

      Fantastic! Keep us posted on you progress please!

  • @dwintablet
    @dwintablet 3 місяці тому +3

    Another elite video. It took me so long to understand to transition. I used to pull down my arm and swung down. It’s a level hit after you drop, level and horizontal turn

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому

      Yes! 💡

    • @jaywatson9493
      @jaywatson9493 3 місяці тому +1

      This taught me as well. I think a lot of frustration golfers have trying to figure the Elite swing maps are loading heavy in backswing. I found if I loaded heavy it was automatically gonna be a pull down on downswing. Where is that early load suppose to go at the top? It has to be no load backswing then load on downswing. I went from a 5-7 handicap to whipping some serious ass.

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому

      @@jaywatson9493 keep on whooping that 🍑 dawg!!

  • @magswinggolf
    @magswinggolf 3 місяці тому

    So good!

  • @benjaminsarmiento8150
    @benjaminsarmiento8150 Місяць тому

    I been trying to figure this out and I’m nit saying I got it but this is the best explanation. Awesome I can experiment with this. Thank you

  • @granola929
    @granola929 3 місяці тому +2

    Wow, what an epiphany. Thank you. 🤩

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому +1

      Gains baby!!!

    • @granola929
      @granola929 3 місяці тому +1

      @@elitegolfschools Ha! It's lovely - very excited to implement it!

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому +1

      @@granola929 please keep us posted on how it goes!!!! 🙏

  • @kyleamick4559
    @kyleamick4559 Місяць тому +1

    Just went to the range today.. this is my swing!!! Thank you for this!! I was wondering how to get a better takeaway and rotation with what was already working well… send the club drop push trail hand pull lead hand 💥 best instruction for golf!! No more guessing!

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  Місяць тому +1

      Love it! Keep us posted and keep hitting it well!! ❤️❤️

  • @marvinbluedorn3321
    @marvinbluedorn3321 22 дні тому

    As an engineer, this is the swing content I'm looking for! Understandable for me. I struggle with vertical elevation a lot as a new golfer, and I have actually hit a few balls by lowering my hips and rotating through properly completely by accident. And when I did, I felt exactly what you described in this video. Glad to have learned that I was on the correct path. Now I have something to aim for.

  • @YoshNathavutS
    @YoshNathavutS 3 місяці тому +1

    love all your videos , i try to find how you control your impact with the wrist . please do one video with this. I watched TJ hold bowed wrist from the start of downswing until impact. Is this correct? do you release to cup after impact , at impact in the neutral? or bowed still? thanks so much for your lessons

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому

      I think watching our waggle video and our hand action video will help a bunch 🙏

  • @joeola72
    @joeola72 3 місяці тому +1

    You are so awesome 🤜🤛 But one question, and it's more of a general question. How do you create speed and a free float during the swing? I feel so much tension in my body during the swing and therefore start to work with the whole body (read hips)

  • @bloomingtoladies7360
    @bloomingtoladies7360 2 місяці тому +1

    Awessssooooommmme details. Wow🤯

  • @StraightLEFTfromPAC
    @StraightLEFTfromPAC 9 днів тому

    Elite lesson for sure! What’s the lower body lesson video that especially compliments this force direction gold mine?!
    This combo should remedy the majority of typical golf swing issues imo.

  • @NFiltr8Red
    @NFiltr8Red 3 місяці тому

    Different strokes for different folks. 3rd year into golf and close to scratch….. UA-cam is the best!

  • @divotdigger247
    @divotdigger247 3 місяці тому +1

    Huge video!

  • @user-gr8cx4sf1q
    @user-gr8cx4sf1q 3 місяці тому +2

    This video helps me best ever

  • @dominicverschuure9437
    @dominicverschuure9437 3 місяці тому +1

    Complicated but Very interesting concept. Came across this after a poor round after backswing rotation issues. Tried this backwards force motion at home and seemed to unlock the beast with my foam balls. By arms & body moving more in the upward pressure, my body is struggling to move without tension in muscle & hips. Moving level force back & forward, I feel lot more loose on backswing & quicker speed on the downswing.

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому +1

      Love that! Super exciting gains!! All about those maps in our minds 🗺️

  • @Golfiseasy
    @Golfiseasy 2 місяці тому +1

    My last comment may have sounded like I don't agree with the way you are saying to swing, but I actually agree with you here. I have been working on this same thing in my own swing.
    I just hear some of these comments made in videos sometimes, and the way it is said just isn't actually right, but you are right. If you are swinging down, you have to be careful not to hit the ground in the down swing.

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому +1

      Loads of ways to move. We human, can do it any way you like… and let’s not forget the definition of a good golf swing; simply the command of the ball 👍

  • @scottschenk1759
    @scottschenk1759 3 місяці тому +2

    I don’t know if it’s because I’m a new dad of 2 girls, but this might be the best analogy and conceptual explanation of swing forces I’ve ever heard. Love the content fellas, thank you!

  • @stanbrackhage
    @stanbrackhage 3 місяці тому

    really enjoyed this discussion, and i hope to remap my own swing using your ideas, im wondering how difficult it will be for 1/2 and 3/4 wedge swings. Will there need to be more timing involved.

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому +1

      If anything, in our experience it gets easier at lower speeds 🙏

  • @tonymartino7892
    @tonymartino7892 3 місяці тому

    Took this to the course and the zip through the ball was amazing. Even with driver although did loose a couple right but complete operator error. Old “don’t go left” reaction crept in.
    Do you have a force direction driver session?

  • @tomn5188
    @tomn5188 3 місяці тому

    Riley - This is a wonderful further explanation of the online lesson I just got from you. It was almost like you were talking to me. For the first time I get that the purpose of the hip drop is to get your spine at the requisite angle to allow you to make a "level" hit with your arms. I now have a much better understanding of what I am trying to accomplish. Looking forward to working on this tomorrow. Also, thanks for adding the search function to your UA-cam page.

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому

      Glad it was helpful!

    • @warrenp8877
      @warrenp8877 Місяць тому +1

      Interesting epiphany. I always thought of the upper body drop as a shallowing move. You look at it as getting a level hit.
      Voila! Two ways of saying the same thing. Definitely positive reinforcement.
      Thank you.

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  Місяць тому

      @@warrenp8877 fantastic!! Hit em well!

    • @warrenp8877
      @warrenp8877 Місяць тому

      @@elitegolfschools I took some practice balls out to a nearby sports field this AM and tested your Force Direction concept against my head full of theories about why I am a terrible golfer.
      Grab a coffee and have a seat. I found out;
      1. You don't have to lift your arms. Who Knew!
      2. The target is your target. A bit obtuse so; The swing force is along your target line both on the back and forward swing;
      3. My early extension wasn't. It was actually a late upper body drop.
      4. Your body rotation is not made better by thinking about how much to turn.
      When you finish your coffee, take a bow!

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  Місяць тому

      @@warrenp8877 let’s go! So fun hitting great shots!!!!!! Keep it up and keep us posted 🙏

  • @Bradman2623
    @Bradman2623 3 місяці тому

    Another fantastic video ! Your explanation with this topic and all your videos gives us beginners and seasoned golfers great insight ..
    Riley , you posted a short video on the topic of squeeze cut shots . Would you recommend that movement for high handicappers like myself , or follow more of the sequencing video and incorporate this force direction motion ?
    So much amazing content but all can be confusing when learning the swing ! Thanks again for your generosity with your EliteGoldSchool videos !

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому +1

      The squeeze cut feel can be helpful for a player who gets stuck and hits block draws. All depends on your pattern

    • @Bradman2623
      @Bradman2623 3 місяці тому

      Thanks

  • @danielmajor1015
    @danielmajor1015 2 місяці тому +1

    This is the map that i needed. Can now see why I’ve been flashing the face for a couple decades. My future back thanks you.

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому

      Right on!!! So pumped for you! Keep us posted on your progress please!!!!

  • @3putt548
    @3putt548 2 місяці тому +1

    Fascinating. This is one of those videos I’ll need to save and watch a few times to really understand completely. Understanding and executing are two different things. It will take some practice and I like the slow motion training. Does your ball position change at all? I’m thinking not but think I should ask anyhow.

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому

      Right on! And ball position change throughout the bag or our preference in ball position?

  • @bricewomack4797
    @bricewomack4797 2 місяці тому +1

    This really made me see the swing in completely different way. Totally cleaned up my inside take away. And simplified my thoughts. I had one question. It seems like now when things are good, it’s great. But every once in a while I’ll get shanks. With these concepts what do I need to focus on more to not shank it?

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому +1

      Take a look at our create space video! This will clean up those excessive heel shots 😉

  • @steveperry1344
    @steveperry1344 3 місяці тому +2

    after having my morning coffee and waking up a bit this is actually a simple concept, again thnx i got it.

  • @adammemon6682
    @adammemon6682 3 місяці тому

    Loved this! Makes a lot of sense. One question I had, is there any concern about losing “compression” on the ball if you’re hitting it more on a level plane vs downward plane?

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому

      Not exactly! If anything this feel would increase compression (especially for you, Adam) -TJ 😎

  • @psyWAR1988
    @psyWAR1988 3 місяці тому +1

    This is awesome. I have been doing some of this naturally following your other tips, but a few questions I have is
    a) how much (if at all) do we want to feel like we are holding onto the face or delaying the release (maybe I mean keep stable)
    b) are we also swinging the center of mass the same going forward as we do the level hit, similar to how we were throwing it towards the camera in the backswing?

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому

      For many it feels almost the opposite of “holding the face.” But it really does depend on the pattern in particular

  • @Igat1976
    @Igat1976 2 місяці тому +5

    I was lost in the beginning for a few minutes. Towards the end, they really make sense and I can’t wait to try it at the driving range.

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому

      Let’s go!!! Keep us posted please!

    • @redstone5149
      @redstone5149 2 місяці тому +1

      I agree. Good content but could have been put together better. Lot of rambling going on for most of the video. Tell the audience what you’re doing, demonstrate it, sum it up at the end in easy to communicate steps.

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому +1

      @@redstone5149 we try to have a nice blend of longer videos (around 15-20 minutes) and shorter (6-9 minutes) and brief (shorts, TikTok, and insta (60 seconds or less) for different learning styles and preferences 🙏🙏

    • @coinwaters
      @coinwaters Місяць тому

      I like the pacing so I don’t have to hit pause after each instruction. I can get a few practice swings in while you are elaborating. Any faster and I would have to put down the club, walk to the phone and pause. Keep it as is. The pros can just run it at 2x speed. 20 minutes is not too long for a new concept.

    • @ST-xg3gy
      @ST-xg3gy Місяць тому

      A bit dense.

  • @jimontgomery808
    @jimontgomery808 Місяць тому

    What an awesome concept! Quick question though - how can we 'send the club to camera' while maintaining connection? When I try this I feel as though my arms become too disconnected from the rest of my body

  • @mquettan3
    @mquettan3 3 місяці тому

    Can you all do a video on ball position? Might need to just be a quick reel or youtube short but I'm struggling with ball position right now and having a hard time finding it. Would love if you had a good method to feel a good ball position for a "stock" shot in this system.

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому

      Just forward of center for most clubs, driver left heel 👍

  • @joshualara8944
    @joshualara8944 3 місяці тому

    Is there a video with more explanation of that level follow through? This video explained and helped so much and would like more understanding on how to hit more level that hitting “down”.

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому

      I would check out “unloading the spiral line” on our page

  • @kevinbridges9585
    @kevinbridges9585 3 місяці тому

    Great video! Had one question... Where does the lead arm internal rotation come into play during the hit?

  • @glennflanagan5442
    @glennflanagan5442 3 місяці тому +3

    Awesome stuff!! I highly recommend the golf school to anyone watching this. 10/10. The best part is after the school, all the videos seem to build on one another and simplify the map they’re teaching. Can’t wait to hit some golf balls after this one

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому +1

      Thanks so much dude! Glad you enjoyed the school 🙏

  • @markus72648
    @markus72648 3 місяці тому

    Really good!! I just couldnt match my lead wrist, because in backswing it go kinda up and a bit cupped, but it's hard to "manipulate" it back to this more level hit, any suggestions?

    • @NickWainwright6970
      @NickWainwright6970 3 місяці тому

      Put a ruler under your watch strap. Great way to flatten wrist.

  • @jonq8714
    @jonq8714 3 місяці тому +4

    This is a radical change of intent for me... but it makes total sense. I struggle with the flipping and verticality... this is wild.

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому

      Right on man! Keep us posted if you implement these ideas! ❤️

  • @philipchan1856
    @philipchan1856 3 місяці тому

    Makes sense 👍🏼
    In the past when I started golfing, I used my arm and hip to drive at the ball which is not the current swing technique. The arm should drop down first and hip rotate at P6 …

  • @JoshZlaket
    @JoshZlaket 3 місяці тому +1

    Sending initial force to your trail side vs above you is very interesting. Definitely need to give that a try.

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому +1

      Game changer

    • @JoshZlaket
      @JoshZlaket 3 місяці тому

      @@elitegolfschools Do you guys give lessons to old hacks like myself or just guys who can actually play? lol

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому +1

      @@JoshZlaketoh man! We coach everyone! Would love to work with you! If you click on our bio then you will see all of our in person and virtual options 🙏

  • @nicholasfulin2126
    @nicholasfulin2126 2 місяці тому

    If you hit via a bryson dechambeau straight armed swing set up for impact would you recommend this action of thinking. ❤?

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому

      Can still work, just depends upon where you’re sending force 👍

  • @dr15ew
    @dr15ew 3 місяці тому

    Trying to get the adductor part in this video while having both hands on the club. Does the lead arm really work like a Hinge from the elbow?

  • @12piecebucket
    @12piecebucket 3 місяці тому +1

    Niceun….when you drop how do you control depth and low point? Who would you say to watch to see it who’s the best at it?

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому

      The “hitting” sensation level and across the body is how we control low point 👍

  • @nickbaker1189
    @nickbaker1189 Місяць тому +1

    Just got off the range using the same feels…May have been the BEST range session I’ve ever had.

  • @staceylarese7145
    @staceylarese7145 3 місяці тому +1

    Great video… question… we’ve learned in this video the swing is not vertical… but is it truly horizontal? Is it not a combination of both ( normal / perpendicular ) to the plane your spine sets in the drop?

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому

      The hit will be perpendicular to the spine for hitters. The more a player drops the more this happens in the swing

  • @tomn5188
    @tomn5188 3 місяці тому +1

    When showing how to apply lateral force in the backswing you advise TJ to rotate and then move the COM (or head of the axe) laterally but in the forward swing your focus appears to be on an initial level movement of the arms (rather than the COM/axe head) and letting the body respond/support the motion. In the event that I have this right - should we focus on applying force to the COM in the forward swing as well. Seems to me that this would help the club whip through impact. ?????

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому

      Yes great question! And most definitely we need to apply force in the COM of the club through the strike. Just be mindful of directionality of force when doing so ❤

  • @ThrifTeeGolf
    @ThrifTeeGolf 3 місяці тому

    Curious, can you still add a bow wrist in this process but more like a Mike Bender style? Or would something like that disrupt the swing in a way?

  • @warrenp8877
    @warrenp8877 Місяць тому

    Under playing pressure l couldnt get the club back far enough to add trail side throw. I just went back to my spinout low pull hook.
    I'm a believer but need a drill to identify when l block the back swing. Next I'll try to focus on the bounce back when the club reaches maximum height to see if that works under game pressure.
    If there is another drill to achieve that position I'm all ears.

  • @christopherwilliams2092
    @christopherwilliams2092 3 місяці тому

    What is the clubbed end supposed to feel like when I'm moving with those force directions?

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому +2

      Oh man, not exactly a simple answer to type out. In short, the trail wrist works from extension to flexion through the strike, which leverages the clubhead “behind” the arms in transition, and shoots the clubhead “in front” of the arms into finish 👍

  • @slytown
    @slytown Місяць тому +1

    As a junior I was always told to lift the arms above the plane in order to generate a 2-plane swing. My ball striking got so much better when I just focused on letting the arms ride the turn.

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  Місяць тому

      That is the truth! Somehow, someday the player must feel the interaction between the body and the arms 🙏

  • @Bluedolphin53
    @Bluedolphin53 3 місяці тому +1

    When you talk about shoulder flexion causing the arms to rise, does the scapula rise as well? Or does the scapula stay down in a neutral position and just the arms go up?

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому

      Elevation and depression of the scap does happen to some degree but definitely prefer most players not actively perform that act 🙏

  • @593summersound
    @593summersound 3 місяці тому

    Very interesting concept and it makes good sense. The forward swing makes more sense...easier to see. But how are you applying horizontal force in the backswing? When you told TJ to shoot force straight at you, he did that with no rotation, so the energy had to come from the shoulders/arms, right? otherwise he'd fall forward. When you told him to turn his midline and then shoot energy back to the camera, where was the force energy coming from? Chest? Shoulders/arms? TJ reacted like it was a very different feel, so I'm really curious. Still trying to spiral up and away and use the ribs and chest to power the arms going back. Thanks for the help--love your content!

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому

      Pivot the chest first, then send the arms level and away. This makes a lot of things happen naturally… 🤔 🌀

  • @justinswearengin5912
    @justinswearengin5912 3 місяці тому

    Thoughts on the force actually being more down initially instead of horizontal?

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому

      Probably a blend of both, again think of the swing set - the force is probably down and horizontal 👍

  • @ryanschmidt4351
    @ryanschmidt4351 2 місяці тому

    This is a fantastic "map".
    One question: in other videos you have discussed the importance of ulnar deviation in unlocking the necessary lowering of the clubhead plane. Any tips on how to recognize/match whether ulnar or spine perpendicularity to the ball (to unlock this arm pattern) is the right place to start/focus?

    • @ryanschmidt4351
      @ryanschmidt4351 2 місяці тому

      "Book a lesson and fly to Colorado" is an acceptable answer lol

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому

      Oh man, all kinds of ways to do that. Working into trail side bend, lead arm internal rotation, train wrist supination all ways to do it!
      AND! We would definitely love to work with you… if hopping on a plane isn’t feasible then we do have virtual sessions available for those who can’t/dont want to travel 🙏❤️

  • @rayrapp8929
    @rayrapp8929 3 місяці тому +1

    A really interesting take on the so-called squat move advocated by many top golf coaches. However, your student is clearly a very accomplished golfer who was able to understand the concept and moreover, put it into practice remarkably quickly. How would a 10-18 handicapper fare I wonder?

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому +3

      The “student” here… one of the reasons I am so accomplished is because I’ve been working on these concepts with Coach Riley for over a decade. The concepts apply, whether you are a beginner, intermediate, or advanced 🙏

  • @bmurph1723
    @bmurph1723 3 місяці тому

    6:47 that was really dope to see and I knew immediately what you were getting at.

  • @gighilton
    @gighilton 2 місяці тому

    Good video, but questions for sure. In all swings from DL, You see arms rise above the shaft plan line if marked on video... So from that angle with 2 D camera you see a lift, or rise of the arms to the top. Would you agree? If so, then they must lower back to the shaft plane prior to impact for solid contact. It appears that you suggest to lower the body, thus the sternum, and NOT lower the arms, then the concept is to direct lateral force forward... I get that, but lowering the body is an alternate way of lowering the arms or getting the arms on the shaft plane, and to measure body lowering seems problematic. Any thoughts on this?

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому

      Yep! Love those thoughts! And truly, there is going to be some amount of extension in the shoulders through the hit. It’s more the intention we are speaking to here as well as the limits to extension in the shoulders. Key is not throwing extension in shoukd re immediately in transitionary phase

  • @t-moneyflotown8433
    @t-moneyflotown8433 2 місяці тому +1

    Good stuff guys!!! Where are y’all located?

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому +1

      Thanks so much! We’re in CO, AZ, and NC 🙏

  • @ffkirch
    @ffkirch 2 місяці тому +1

    Interested to know why he’s not making the hip on the hoola hoop move to start the backswing, as demonstrated in a previous video? Thanks

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому +1

      Hula hoop is simply lateral movement. Still love seeing that action as a preference. We are simply discussing force direction in the arms in this particular video.

    • @ffkirch
      @ffkirch 2 місяці тому

      @@elitegolfschools Which move is preferred for lateral in the backswing, the pelvis move or rib sway?

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому

      @@ffkirch can do it either way. The hey is shifting pressure laterally before the club begins to travel. Also, ideally, both actions happen early 🙏

  • @holtzeee7364
    @holtzeee7364 2 місяці тому +1

    Mind blown! Here is a question. If one map is swing down and body moves opposite direction to counter it (down) when you think of forward swing does body move back / away from target? Just curious all the feels … thanks!

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому

      In some regards yes, and you’ll see that from larger energy swings (driver). We discuss this in our driver video discussing the three main forces in the golf swing as well as our driver vs wedge swing video 🙏❤️

  • @MickyTee123
    @MickyTee123 3 місяці тому +1

    Brilliant tuition.
    Well done Gents 👌

  • @KellyGerling
    @KellyGerling 3 місяці тому +16

    It would be helpful to see each of you, swinging the way you’re instructing us viewers to swing from a down-the-line view and a face-on view in real speed and in slow motion. We would see more of the swing you’re demonstrating and talking about and so it would be easier to emulate it through mirroring.

  • @leonardrhode7016
    @leonardrhode7016 3 місяці тому

    Hmmmmmm very interesting 🤔 i have never heard of this concept before but the physics behind it somehow makes sense.I definitely would like to learn more about this. Any ideas how i can get in contact with this academy to learn more.

  • @ablgolfmom6211
    @ablgolfmom6211 3 місяці тому

    Cool video my coach Milo uses the swing set analogy a lot, but your use was slightly different. By the way Milo’s swing is probably the best example of not needing shoulder flexion as he has almost none and I’ve never seen anyone his size hit it farther or better.

  • @thomblinn4731
    @thomblinn4731 18 днів тому

    Hogan said (1940) he wanted he wanted to get the' driver parallel to the ground sooner' for a gradual incline followed by a levelish through swing before rising into the finish. I love how you qualified this point with the ax analogy. His more levelish bswing path evinced a more SUSTAINED horizontal vector --compared with your modeling--which ultimately matched up (through transition) with his LOW inside right ankle (per eversion) which is arguably THE cornerstone of his singular (ELITE) motion. It's unfortunate that GOATA so glibly pontificates as to optimal (ELITE) employment of anatomy...per their fetish of a HIGH INSIDE ANKLE. In general, the multiplanar spring matrices in the foot are recipients of forces that devolve upon the foot(from above) in such a way that the outer part is tasked with a stabilizing agency and is the lowest part of the foot. The inner, higher part which is the MOBILIZING element will 'fall' into place as it is pressed into service. My tiresome sermon ties into your theme of 'direction of force' which inextricably is linked to structure. Thanks for providing a forum for eccentrics like myself to chime in! I'm titilated to take in such depth of content. GODDABLESS!

  • @user-ew3tq3ho7x
    @user-ew3tq3ho7x 3 місяці тому

    Can you comment on how you apply pressure into the grip in backswing to achieve the level force? Would feeling like you push down and out with right palm pad sound correct?

  • @ahmadhezril3915
    @ahmadhezril3915 2 місяці тому +2

    Wow, this is by far the greatest ever explanation of the backswing mechanism which I'm searching for. Brilliant and thanks

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  2 місяці тому

      Thank you so much! Appreciate that and so happy it’s resonating with you!

  • @moisesvillalvazo5880
    @moisesvillalvazo5880 3 місяці тому +1

    how would you hit a push draw or a pull fade?

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому

      Definitely ways to adjust the system. I would watch our video, Draw vs. Fade for more!

  • @m3toz4
    @m3toz4 3 місяці тому +1

    My thinking is using the body to swing the whole arms and club thru the ball to the target and it will automatically made you get lower and shift left to swing the arms and club because the arms are heavy and you will need to lower and pushing up to deliver them without thinking

  • @Powers143
    @Powers143 3 місяці тому

    This is the first video I’ve watched on your channel, I’m still picking up the pieces from my head exploding. Does this work with all clubs and lies, or is there any exceptions?

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому +4

      You may slightly alter force direction based on the shot you’re trying to hit. Slightly further “up” for driver,” slightly further “down” for wedges. But in general they are very very similar throughout the bag 🙏

  • @jeffpatchett7793
    @jeffpatchett7793 3 місяці тому

    Very Interesting Video. Thank you. If you lower the torso rather than the arms, why wouldn’t you assume that lowered position through out. The answer I guess is you’re not using the ground. But if you’re using the ground on the through swing I.e. pushing up & away, wouldn’t you have to lower your arms?

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому

      The spine goes into extension in transition so many have to feel an active drop to offset this 🙏

  • @erikmiller5873
    @erikmiller5873 2 місяці тому

    Same idea for irons and woods? Just change ball position?

  • @dsc-nr5zy
    @dsc-nr5zy Місяць тому

    But what about the vertical drop and horizontal tug?

  • @gnboy344
    @gnboy344 3 місяці тому

    Awesome how elite pushes the envelope. Btw, is this still harmonius with infinity/spiral philosophy?

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому

      100% bro

    • @cdunne1620
      @cdunne1620 3 місяці тому

      I’d say flattening at transition promotes the horizontal force intention at impact

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому

      @@cdunne1620 be flattening do you mean dropping pelvis?

  • @leshooton
    @leshooton 3 місяці тому

    Understand the active ab/aduc movements of the shoulders. I thought the chest was the active main power source from your other videos.
    How do you mentally/ physically blend the two power sources?
    Suspect I'm missing something.
    .

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому +1

      Chest supports the swinging action of the arms 🙏

    • @leshooton
      @leshooton 3 місяці тому

      Clears that up..thank you! At what point P? do you actively ab/aduc?
      Thanks again
      @@elitegolfschools

    • @elitegolfschools
      @elitegolfschools  3 місяці тому +1

      @@leshooton around p5ish… you’ll start to actively abduct the lead arm 🙏