Casing Windows Ep.113
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Years ago I hired a guy that said he was a Finish Carpenter when we were doing a remodeling project on our house. When I came home from work and saw what he had done I realized that he must have meant he was from Finland.
My Grandfather was a Finnish Finish Carpenter- I would say if the standards expected were not met by your "finish" carpenter, that he was neither a Finish carpenter, nor a Finn- because the best Finish carpenters are often both.
i have this nail gun. added a belt hook by buying a cheap 90deg bit of cabinet hardware and some washers and drilled them out to fit over the leftover air fitting thread. works a treat.
Amazing man. Watched him from the beginning of the build. I hope the end is not the End.
Thank You. Insider Carpentry is a great resource.
Keep up the good work
Dang that Sheetrock looks good
So they will shine like the fender of a brand new Ford pickup. But like a brand new Ford pickup be defective underneath? 😜😂🤣
“ The in place mass production of one of a kind items” Seems like you could build a carpentry book around that concept
Larry Haun did.
Nice shout out to Richard at Finish Carpentry TV. Maybe you should get him on EC2, Nate.
Why do I love this guy so much? The way he does everything, the way he talks.His mannerism. His knowledge. You, Sir, have helped me a ton. Thank you for all the content you create. I love it and appreciate you a lot.
I’m glad you gave a shout out to finish carpentry tv. In my head I had hoped that you two would join forces for the finish carpentry of the house.
I was coming to the comments to say the same thing!
I also love his channel as well.
Awesome recommendation for Richard over at finish carpentry tv. I have watched and followed both of you for several years now. Between the two of you I have gained more knowledge than I ever imagined. Keep up the great work Sir.
It's alright I guess, better than picture framing. I use 5/4 for my sills and I miter the returns for the end grain on the apron and head. Nobody wants to see end grain... 🤮
But when it gets paint no need to do a “ endo” the paint will cover
The wonders of new construction, where step one is to make the jamb. In remodeling, steps one through three are: measure, draw a diagram, and swear.
Another phenomenal video. Cant thank you enough Scott and Nate for all your hard work putting this together! Easily the best series I've found on youtube.
7:00 “If it looks perfect it is perfect.” Such an important lesson for anyone building anything. You could make it exactly the same and have it look wrong. Step back five feet, ten feet, look from either side, and from the side of your eye. That’s time well spent. (And also an excellent moment to see if you missed something else!)
“And then....(where the hell did the nail gun go)...proceed with caution..”
I love it! 😂 Thanks for the awesome content guys!!😊
Used GRK Trim Finishing screws on last job I did... Zero blowouts or shiners since they drill the wood as they drive. Pneumatic has it's place, but will largely never go back to it for window and door trim.
I really enjoy that you stress "exact" and "virtually the same" as appropriate terms in building! Things need to "look right ,to be right"! As I used to work on older homes re-dos, I had cards the had my name printed and under that it said "Carpenter / Illusionist" LOL
I consider myself an expert on “look right” after successfully hanging a nominally 6’x4’ painting (but not actually square) on a wall with the floor and ceiling sloping in different directions. You gotta go with the flow and trust your eye not the tape.
The main application is the finish work though, right? If the framer had it right, the rule would not be needed as often later on. Of course, he would probably say the same of the foundation guy.
Thanks for another great informative video. Recognizing Finish Carpentry as a great channel shows how much humility Essential Craftsman has towards other UA-camrs. Inside Carpenter is another great production finish carpentry channel.
...And if the painters are really, really good those casings will shine like the fender of a brand new “Chevy” pickup‼ 😉
Your channel puts a shine on the trades, that benefits us all!
In Australian terms (generally) jam=reveal, case=architrave. Never actually heard anyone refer to the side or top of a window frame, so, I suppose head, leg, etc, still applies. Then again, most windows in Australia these days are delivered attached to the jam/reveal, and attached through the reveal to the house frame.
*jamb
That
That house wrap , wrapped around jack studs is something inviting water in , even with foam . That's the way we used to do it in old days , now I integrate house wrap with window flange
Right as you were coming down the ladder I thought, “yep here comes the hook comment.” Lol!
Maybe a tip for you, maybe not. Set 2 or 3 screws into the R/O jambs using a scrap piece of casing to set the reveal, you have micro adjustment with the screws, drop your assembly in and nail away, shouldn't need shims
FABULOUS HOMERUN PROTIP!!!
THANK YOU!!!!!!!
As a carpenter we have done this for years. Great tip and you stole my thunder Mighty Me
Would love to see this in action to help me visualize it better. In the meantime I’ll be thinking…
@@GuitarWithJamie Insider carpentry has a video on this if you'd like to see more. ua-cam.com/video/qYj4U_V3vOc/v-deo.html&ab_channel=InsiderCarpentry-SpencerLewis
@@GuitarWithJamie Richard over at finish carpentry show cases it. If you still have questions Spencer Lewis over at insider carpentry details it in depth why and how he does it. Both guys will leave you with so much knowledge walking onto your next job site.
Richard shoutouts!! He would be excited to know you’re giving him props!
Take note of the chisel tip of the nails. The direction of the chisel dictates which direction the goes when it hits a knot.
Turning the gun 90* when nailing can help prevent blowout.
This is great advice. Has saved me tons of repair work over the years. I think I heard it first from Ben Degros over on @Vancouver Carpenter
Yes, yes, yes! This can help eliminate some blowouts! I call it "Gangsta style"!
Great point!
@@trevoraboussafy6900 great pun 👍
Love watching your work, I was an engineer, built my own house in uk by necessity only way could afford to do it. My attitude do it properly and right changed my life. I have so many requests to do work, went into construction.
Thank you for giving me so much pleasure.
I’m probably not the first to mention this, but in the chance I am, I have the secret for saying goodbye to inside edge casing shiners. It’s very simple: the gun should always be perpendicular to the edge. If you hold it parallel to the edge, you have no control over which way the nail deflects. Turn her sideways and she’ll never shoot through the jamb again.
My experience is that when they hit a knot all bets are off. I always cringe when I see someone with fingers near the drive. I once saw a very good man drive a nail through two fingers this way.
Nice Scott I love watching this stuff, I was a trim carpenter for 35yrs before I lost my eyesight, I’m now legally blind I can still see enough to work on my own house & build furniture & guitars. That was Awesome that you mentioned Richard Finish Carpentry t.v. He is a great trim man. God Bless & Thank you again💪💪🙏🙏🇺🇸🇺🇸👨🏻🦯
I spent the better part of 20 years working as a finish carpenter and to see someone that wants it right every time is a feast for these worn-out eyes. I thank you for your videos and like myself your willingness to learn a better way is always a pleasure to see. I was fortunate to learn from craftsmen like you when I first started. One of the fellows was so good I worked Saturdays for free for 2 years just to absorb everything he would teach me. When MDF first came out two of his builders ordered it and he picked up his tools and left the first guy......the second guy went and bought the materials used here. I asked Leo why and he replied, " that's my name on this work and it will never be used in the same sentence as MDF."
That was many years ago and I am proud to say my name has never been used that way either.
I always hold my nailers at right angle to the face of the board ( like how you were holding it for nailing the heads), otherwise the cut on the pointed end of the nail will make it more likely to curl out as it follows the grain
It cannot be overstated how excellent this series is, and how appreciated it is that you are making your wealth of knowledge available to anyone with an internet connection. You've heard the same refrain countless times over the duration of this massive effort, but it can't be said too many times: you guys have made something special here. Not the house, though that of course is special as well. It's the tireless attention to detail in your presentation, the passion for your work, and the obvious joy in sharing that work with the rest of us. Thanks for taking us along for the ride.
Insider carpentry, carpenter0ne3! Awesome finish guys.
Finish carpentry guy is just learning, those guys are far more advanced.
Most builders wouldn't do a full finish on the garage and trim out the windows in there.
On a house of this pedigree, every builder I know would.
Insider Carpentry - Spencer Lewis is by far the best trim carpenter on UA-cam.
Spencer Lewis: 18 windows - hold my brad gun.
I'll second this - Spencer does amazing work.
Man! I am a window and door contractor. Have been since I was 17 and I just started my own company. I do this a little different, but we have the same terminology. When I start training my own guys, I will use this video.
After years in the business, it’s comforting to hear and see a true craftsman do things the way I do them!
My dad was a finish carpenter by trade. He never used a pneumatic nailer as they were "too heavy" for his shoulders. A deft finish hammer and a nail set were his tools. If he ever left a "smile" on a casing he grabbed a pencil and initialed it, to let the painter who came behind him who caused the extra work. A lesson I'll never forget. Thanks for another great video.
That’s so awesome about your dad! Made my day.
I can understand how your Dad preferred older tools Eric. When I started in carpentry over well 50 years ago, there were no air tools of any sort. It was all hammers and screwdrivers, and I often used my great grandfather's tools. Those were still in use at the time. But the winds of time were changing, Eric, and will blow forever on now. Best of luck to you.
I remember helping my dad trim also he used a Stanley hand saw miter box and hand nailed everything
I'm guessing that he didn't also leave goopy caulk messes for the painter to fix 😉
a spray bottle and a heat gun will make those smiles go away. A little trick from a finish carpenter, free of charge
Great work! Looks awesome. I have the same gun and I have been meaning to put a hook on mine as well! One of these days, haha! One tip for when you are nailing the casings into your jamb pieces is to turn your gun sideways (I refer to it as gangster style). The chisel point of the nail tends to plow out to the left and right side of the gun, but rarely goes up and down. Just a friendly tip to help you not tick off your painters when a nail blows out the side!
Can you do a video on prehung doors? I know a few guys that could really use it.
There was this ua-cam.com/video/-NUMfsSecmg/v-deo.html Any good?
@@rossbuchanan7632 thanks for the link. Thats an exterior door. Its a good video, but a prehung interior door is what i was thinking about. Exterior doors are usually done by framers or window installers, not finishing carpenters. They are similar but have their own challenges, tricks, and techniques. I know lots of framers that struggle to install interior doors.
How can anyone not like this video or any video on this channel? Speaking for myself, I find this channel both educational & relaxing.
Agree.
What get my goat is they leave the thumbs down without an explanation as to why.
Check out Spencer Lewis at Insider Carpentry! His Channel is (Dare I say it) Even better than Finish Carpentry TV. He's a master.
Great job with the finish work on the windows. However, I have two quibbles: First, it bugs me to see exposed end grain. If it were for my own house, I would have mitered the ends of the header and apron. As I said, a quibble.
Second, the paint grade board that was shown being cut on the miter saw had the pith right in the center of the board. In time, that board will almost certainly twist, cup, or crack. If I couldn't rip the pith out of the board, I wouldn't have used it.
I always use a 18 guage brad nailer to nail the casing to the extension jambs. That's because we use a lot of DC98 casing in the DC area and the smaller guage is less likely to blow out the bead on the inside edge of the casing.
A way to shim jams perfectly at a reasonable speed was floating it with a line laser and flat head screws, with roughly 3 or 4 screws depending on the jam depth
Would love to see someone demo this process
MDF has really started to irk me. After a little living all the window and door frames get nicks and scratches. Wipe unpainted MDF with a rag little too damn and the buger starts balooning little by little. I really prefer wood casing. Keep up the good work.
The price per sq ft for building in Michigan right now is somewhere in the 230 to 250 range when you can buy for 120. Is the entire country experiencing this at the moment?
It's about $120 in the rural mid south.
I have been a carpenter for 45 years, the best site for finish carpentry I have found is insider carpentry.
14:05 "Shine like the fender of a brand new Ford pickup" - Was that a paid product placement like a can of Pepsi prominently displayed in a movie? Yay for craftsman style trim. None of those bothersome miters to deal with. Great content as usual.
Finally a shout out to Finish Carpentry TV
One of my favorite carpenters to watch and learn from.
Same here. They've met in person before.
Love the work mate I’m a young carpenter in Australia and I have the same gun, it’s awesome for all applications exterior cladding trims interior trims finish nailing floors, my only pet hate is the no belt hook , would love to see a video of the making of the belt hook so I can do the same things
Cheers Benton
Is it 15Gauge? What length nails does it take
I love you man but how long is it gonna take to build this damn house?
The finish carpenter always sees his own mistakes well before anyone else.
The Finnish carpenter always notices
if his breakfast plate
doesn’t have any herring on it!
I cant begin to expess how much I hated putting up MDF.
Great video Scott! House is looking great! Scott
Fantastic. Most people won't know what a clutch is ;-)
That look when he stood up the left side of the casing of "now that I've lined this up perfectly, how the hell do I get my hammer" - I know that feeling soooo well.
Essential Craftsman and Finish Carpentry TV are my 2 favorite Channels! Thank you guys so much for all of your hard work and amazing content
Scott, I really like this series.
I’ve been a cabinetmaker for over 40 years.
One good piece of advice that would help you and others with respect to pneumatic finish nailers- I’ve used Senco and Bostitch, among others. My point is if you look closely at the tips of your nails that are glued together in a row. You’ll see these tips wedge to a point. Now, if the wedge shape runs with direction of the gun itself and the nail enters the wood, strikes an object and is deflected, it will have tendency to deflect to the left or right with respect the orientation of your nail gun. Bostitch nails tend to have their wedges arranged this way. Likewise Senco nails are staggered and their wedge tips go perpendicular to orientation of the nail gun. If an object within the wood is struck, the nail have tendency to deflect forward or back. This is important to bear in mind when nailing close to two finished surfaces.
Keep up the good work!
Al
Keep up the good work!
"In place mass production of one of a kind items". I like it! Good video, as always.
I used to work with a head case...
such a great educator..... thanks for your time involved in doing all of this!
With your wisdom and commitment when it comes to your work and the work of others and the fact that you never stop learning and getting better and teaching others to learn and to get better, you Sir are acting like a true model for my generation and the ones yet to come!
Pro tip for "shiner" nails.
TOP of the gun towards the direction you DONT want the nail to curve towards.
Nail gun nails are only beveled on 2 sides and will almost never curve up or down only left to right. We implement this while doing window stops and havent had a nail hit the glass since.
Dear [vicarious] friend Scott - thank you for making the point "Always remember the craft that follows you." As a Master electrician, Journeyman plumber, and passable carpenter, I have made great friends in my 75 years by following that principle. Sure enjoy watching you {and Nate} on your journeys!
If you live in a warm climate filling those gaps probably won't make much difference, but up here in Norway I'm making a point of spray foaming every gap I find as I fix/change/renovate things in my house. Every little helps up here.
I'm in the northern part of NYS and sealing is very important here as well. On my own home, I devoted a particularly breezy evening slowly moving a candle around my newly installed (not yet trimmed out) windows, watching the flame. If it wavered, I wanted to know why! A short shot of spray foam was usually all it took. The result was a very nicely sealed window area, well worth the effort!
are you using the trim router to chamfer or radius the edge of the lumber? What bit are you using?
1/8 radius
Nice to see you throw some metric measurements in!
As a painter, I always appreciate carpenters who don't get all giddy about the sound their nail guns make and fill the carpentry full of nails. I also greatly appreciate when carpenters don't dry finger caulk and leave a goopy mess for the painter to then scrape off and redo properly.
This is the second video I've watched where the corners of the jamb are nailed/joined prior to inserting the jamb. Wish I could understand why that's necessary...Newbie here. Why not install the 4 sections individually?
Another great video as always. I always refer to the bottom moldings as sill on the outside
and stool on the inside. Names vary with locations no doubt about it/
Phrase of the day "volcano pimple"
Those windows look great. Almost all the homes I’ve seen here is AZ are dry wall return to the sash and have no casing.
That is what struck me, might be a Craftsman style method. Was just to West of you, across the Rez, in Snobsdale for 38 years. Now up in 420 land, north of EC (Scott W).
So now i need to recase my little 1940's mtn. home, since I know better.
Likewise in the UK, all windows have plaster/dry wall right up to the window frames (sash), apart from a wooden sill. It may be what I'm used to but it seems a more elegant, material efficient, less time consuming and lower maintenance, finish, than this fully encased method described by the video.
Thank you: it is always such a warm & friendly educational experience to watch your videos.
holy guacamole this guy's skills
The Senco aluminum hook fits the NT65MA perfectly.
www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0350-4-Inch-Hook-Belt/dp/B001ASTV7O
Also on the NT65MA, you'll find an extra nose-guard attached along the right side of the magazine.
All the best.
Thank you for taking the time to visit with me today, Scott. I appreciated the chance to reminisce about our favorite teacher and the community in which we grew up. Looking forward to the Spec House open house!
Spoken like a true seasoned professional. Thanks for helping me brush up before I tackle a big project
As a Finish Carpenter and now more of a General Contractor these days. I can't stress enough how much I cannot stand MDF. Sure it's cheap, but it's a pain to prep for paint and my stars, the dust! Like you said, it volcanoes, especially with a 15 or 16 gauge. Not so much with an 18 gauge, keep the pressure a little lower and depth setting right and it's not as bad. If you hand paint it's not as noticeable but if it's sprayed, the extra moisture gets into the MDF too much and that nail hole actually shrinks and dimples!! Nightmare. For my projects, if supplying material it is always FJ Pine or Popular.
Drywall in garage should be 5/8” or sometimes 3/4”. Fire code generally requires thicker rock to slow fires. How thick is yours Mr. Wadsworth?
I'd just use a scrap piece of window trim and use screws every 12" to show your reveal. Get them all right and just put the finished molding and casing up. Nice and clean.
You seem to have a lot of experience and I really love your videos, but I am curious why you don't put returns on your trim heads and aprons. Is it a personal preference? On MDF it's not a big deal but I've noticed the end grain on wood never accepts paint/stain the way the face and edges do and kind of sticks out. No hate, just a question
Excellent video. I've viewed many of your helpful videos over the years prior to taking on a project. Your instruction with detail is appreciated and it has helped insure my projects turn out well. Thank you!
Couple things. Only follow your vinyl reveal if you know the window is straight, vinyl windows are often bowed. Straight, level and pumb are your friends... Back cut your sill and header and apron edges if using pine, looks much cleaner when painted and takes way less work on your painter part. Last, as far as saving time for your painter, you don't need an angled finish nail for trim, brad is just fine. Your painter will thank you.
The little pimple is exactly why I hate using MDF if I can't screw it. On my latest DIY project I used trim head screws for the 5/4 window stools.
Interesting that you touch on what is referred to (at least in my business area) as "mass customization," or setting up a manufacturing capability that specializes in making similar but customized products (think of ordering a custom computer from Dell where you choose which parts to upgrade, or personalized sneakers from Nike). Seems like the modern version of the old sears catalog homes are the modular home builders that continue to grow. Interested to know whether you've had any experience with modular construction homes, and/or how such homes are regarded among tradespeople? Personally, seems to lack the same romance as a ground-up build, but if the quality is there and price is right, it seems an attractive option for some folks.
Another good channel for carpentry tips and tricks is "Next Level Carpentry". His sawhorses are amazing.
The gentalman doing this video I' m almost sure he needs to being doing voice overs for National Geographic. You Sir besides the excellent and infomative video need to seriously look in to recording your voice and sending it in... Truly calming. I'm not trying to be weird. Promise. Thats a talent . Like singing.
Wow! I saw some new moves on the table and drop saw. As a DIYer this blew me away. I understand the drop saw move to even out the cut but don't quite get the point of cutting from behind the table saw. The kerf would be a mirror image but what would be the advantage of that?
Edit....haha the penny dropped. Same cut opposite end without having to move the fence. There you go. You can't beat experience.
A tip to ensure your nails don’t pop out of the jamb, turn your nail gun 90 degrees so you’re shooting nails in with the gun perpendicular to the edge of the jamb. Your 18g nails can move horizontally but will seldom move vertically in relation to the gun
Most helpful video on windows, thank you. Really enjoy your videos and learning from a true craftsman.
Bc I do all my own diy projects I say forget that guy coming behind my work that’s his problem…he can’t stand my work.
Was that finger jointed laminated material or just straight pine lumber? Just curious. If you'd like to comment about what's going on with lumber prices I'm sure we'd all like to hear it.
Finally a video that makes sense!! I’ve been stressing over how to do this for months, and everyone I ask has a different 10 minute monologue that makes no sense. This is how I was hoping it’s done.
My only question is what were you doing with the router?
Thanks
Never forget the Trades that will be following you., and never forget with each curse and obscenity the Trades that came before you... :-) But in truth that is why you don't want to be that guy.
I hate finish work but I take every measurement like I'm finishing pisses my boss off as he has this weird thing where he takes off an 1/8" on everything! 🤷♂️
MDF is inexpensive and easy to run through a router. You can save a ton of money making your own moldings and trim with MDF. I would never use it around windows or in bathrooms or on baseboards that may get wet because the tiniest bit of moisture makes the stuff swell up.
I'm curious though - what is the ROI for using high end wood trim like oak or maple in a spec house or in a house being flipped? Is it worth it, or is it like throwing away money?
MDF is great for a few roles. It’s terrible for everything else that companies commonly use it for.....
I hate that preprimed pine. They cut out the knots and butt join, then prime. If you don’t shellac before painting, sap will bleed out and you’ll be shellacking and repainting in a couple of years.