@@licensed_beheaderGuilliman mostly wants to return home and be a farmer, Dorn wanted to be an architect, Khan wanted to leave the Imperium and we get indication that Perturabo actually wanted to make machines that helped improve lives rather than taking them if only that fucker Erebus was aborted right after birth
The confrontation between Magnus and Vulkan at the throne was painful and you could feel the heartbreak from both as the Emperor drew a line Magnus could not cross.
"and tell him to lift his eyes from the forge fire once in awhile" Exactly what a good-natured teasing sibling would say. Man, I hope they flesh this relationship out some time.
I can see Vulcan ribbing Magnus back with a heavy, though oddly tender clap on the back of one of his pauldrons along with a jesting remark about getting sick of the smell of parchment.
The story of Magnus is the perfect version of the "Lost Son" story. He wants, so very much, to just go home... However, equally, he "knows" that he never can. He's wrong, but that is why it's perfect.
Well the Emperor did give him an impossible ultimatum, a choice between his father and his sons. Ultimatums always backfire. If your father made you choose, would you abandon your children?
@@Warrior_warlock Except he didn't. The entire exchange was revealed to be a Tzeentchian lie; what actually happened was that his last uncorrupted shard burst in asking for forgiveness and the Emperor said No because its too late. Echoes of Eternity has revealed just how much Tzeentch has warped Magnus's perception.
@@cursedkei66 not exactly. We don't know what truly happened because as people have said before Vulcan cannot know what the fuck happened there. Not to mention Emperor amd Malcore are known to change certain memories in Primarchs before. My theory is both are sort of true. When Magnus refused the OG offer Emperor made another plan that required Magnus to think the first one was never real to begin with.
Why it upsets me that “prodigal sons” is a successor warband with no remotest and not a rebel group that wants to go back with that shard of Magnus leading
@@albertor.6635 Vulkan's work at the forge was about art, and crafting a masterpiece as much as it was technology. Cawl believes the human being can be replaced entirely and uses tech for efficiency purposes. I don't imagine they would actually get along that well, since Vulkan's sympathies are VERY human. Roboute doesn't even trust Cawl that much.
I don't think Magnus and Vulkan are that different, Magnus was probably the next most humanitarian of the primarchs? Prosporo was utopian and humans and Astartes lived and learned together?
The Khan was also pretty chill with normal people and went against Dorn's battle plans to protect more people, even when Sanguinius warned Jaghatai that saving this many lives would put him in danger. I think Sanguinius was also nice to simple men and women, but I can't think of any particular event that showcased it.
Vulcan was kind and humble while magnus was kind but not humble at all. He kept on when warned by many. I’m a magnus fan but there are many moments in the books showcasing that trait. As for leman whopping magnus…..had some considerable help against a guy who was reluctant.
Its hard to believe that someone like Vulkan isnt the most beloved amongst his brothers. Perhaps his down to earth nature rubbed some of his brothers the wrong way? Its quite ironic that the one brother that can tear you to pieaces with his bear hands is the softest of them all.
Primarchs had the egos and dramatic personalities of Homeric Heroes. Someone down to earth and with a "plain" personality (for a super human demigod) was never going to everyone's farvorite.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen i guess Vulkan with such a personality is as human as they come. Even with us mere mortals, someone with such a trait would not be anyones favourite.
It is an amazing scene; The Death Guard has the Salamanders dead in the warp. Daemons flooding the ship and Terminators boarding it. And then their leader begins to panic, as he senses an enormous mind envelop the Salamanders ship and he flees in near-blind terror. That is just how mighty Magnus is within the Warp. He passed through Geller-fields, froze hordes of demons and guided a ship safe to Terra in the otherwise impenetrable Ruinstorm.
Before he went full daemon, Magnus’ actions proved that he was always loyal and altruistic. This furthers the tragedy of his story and his legion. So much depth to their story
Even as deamon prince his altruistic nature though twisted still exists. He wants to create a heaven for all psykers in his new planet for one. He attacked the Fenris for his ritual when he could have used a much less defended planet. Yes he killed shitton of innocent people but the fact that he still went for a target for his ire back in the day speak volumes.
Magnus would've had a lot of like about Vulkan. He and his sons were different, just like the Thousand Sons. He supported the Librarius, was humane and valued knowledge and good craftsman ship and...well, aside from Curze, Vulkan could get along with just about anyone.
Magnus did not turn against the Imperium, the Imperium turned against him. He never meant to break the wards on Terra, he only meant to warn the Emperor. Horus manipulate Russ(not difficult) to kill Magnus, rather than being him to Terra. If a Primarch is to return from Chaos, then it will be Magnus, for he never wanted to turn.
I always love just how MUCH content there is for WH40k. So many books. So many different little gems of interaction between the primarchs, champions, and other named characters. Stuff I might never even seen, in a book I've never read. So good! Keep up the good work, Rho. It's amazing!
Magnus and vulkan werent very different their ideals were fairly similar. Both were hopeful romantics for the future. Magnus' loss was a tragedy, russ was in the wrong, he was tricked, and to stubborn to admit it. The state of the hellish imperium is partially russ' fault. (How great is the lore that we can have such different complex opinions of it?)
Russ was tricked, but he did regret it. He stayed in isolation for a good while in sorrow/ doubt and decided to change after the event, and I believe was the reason for why he didn't outright kill Horus when given the chance
@@zombieapocolypse141 this reminds me that he apparently walked around mechanically killing. In a way almoat like ptsd was suffered. Purhaps magnus showed him he was in the wrong at the last seconds before death.
Leman "everyone but me must get rid of their pyskers" Russ probably hates Magnus because deep down he knows the necessity of psykers. Ah if only he had bundled him back to Terra as the emperor intended instead. Emperor dammit. It's telling all the cool dude primachs like Sanguinius, Jagathai and Vulkan are fond of Magnus.
There just two brother hanging out until one day a red tomatoe armada appears and shatters their peace now it's up to two brothers... Just two brothers to bring down the tomato armada and that's not all there's old ladies wearing sombreros attacking two brothers. Magnus and vulkan just two brothers.
Got to disagree, when he forsaw Russ coming at him like a rabid fool he should have taken action, either running to terra first or better for the imperium shanking him as the Hradnkal broke from the warp with the entire 15th fleet prepped around it.
He did a lot of wrong, but a lot of it can indeed be blamed on the Emperor not wanting to explain anything. The Emperor should have known Magnus especially is not the kind of person to be "sated" with a "Because I said so". He's too curious, too confident, and especially too arrogant for that. Much like the Emperor himself.
Would you consider Magnus after his shattering the same person as before? I feel like having lost so much aspects before becoming a deamon makes him akin to Agron before and after the nails.
If the Emperor had ordered Vulcan and his Salamanders to attack and destroy Prospero, l think Vulcan would have refused. That's why the Emperor sent the Wolves, he knew Russ would obey orders no matter what.
Actually I think Vulcan had he been able to go there and actually talk with Magnus he might have been the one to talk him into surrendering himself Brother if everything you say is true surrender yourself and throw yourself at the mercy of the emperor at the very least your sons will be there to defend the home world when the enemy attacks this is no time for us to fight
just got done w Deathfire and though I read a lot of bad reviews about it, I honestly enjoyed the relationships described between Legions on Mcragge and the differences of beliefs within the Salamanders. a bit slow at times but nice nonetheless
It was great! But I think that bit about the Offer literally put there to drow us nerd mad with speculation. What is the truth what is the false nerative here?
Man I hate Russ. He's such a hypocrit with the wulfen thing and psykers in his legion. Funny how Magnus gave him a hard time in close combat barely using his power.
I could actually see a 40k salamanders vs thousand son event. As much as the wolves and tson hate each Vulkan did defeat Magnus twice and even corrected him in the second fight about why he really came home.
If they had all grown up on Earth, I think there would definitely have been a bond merely from the time spent together. I think that by the time they all met, they were already all grown-up and some of their personalities were incompatible as a result. There's also the fact that those with the harsher upbringing were likely jealous of the others, and this caused a rift between them. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter since the Heresy separated even the closest of Primarchs.
Magnus actually got along REALLY well with a handful of his brothers, and not the ones most people would expect. Before I knew much about the lore, I would have assumed Magnus, Lorgar, and maybe another traitor like Perutabo or Horus would have been the closest, but it was definitely the Khan and Vulcan that showed him the most comradery. I know you're a Wolves fan, but I truly think Magnus and the Thousand Sons falling to chaos is one of the most tragic stories to come out of the Heresy era. Magnus never wanted it, his sons never did either, they were put into a constant losing situation and just made the wrong choices. That being said... chaos Tsons is still my favorite army
Saying they’re opposite isn’t right imo. Both cared for humanity, knowledge and arts. Both shared their wisdom and tried to better the imperium far beyond war
Vulkan just want give hime a great big “I’m nit mad that you ruined everything forever hug” but sadly Magnus has spinel issues (because he doesn’t have one)
Magnus big downfall was his arrogance, vulkan was the most loving and caring towards humans with the Khan, Sanguinius, and other also caring for them just not as much.
Honestly, and very generally cliched, there are just some people you meet with and click. Almost like magnetism, no matter how different you may be there's just something pulling you towards them. Others still are more like oil and water, no matter how much they interact they'll forever be separated, regardless of common ground.
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"Oh come now Magnus, I do not mean harm. I but want to give my brother a great big 'I'm not mad that you ruined everything forever' hug!"
That was lorgar gods damn it.
You're my big friendly big brother friend
"I've got NINE MILLIONZ UV' HUGS TO GIVE YA, POULTRY-BOY! C'MERE YA GIT!"
Magnus: Vulkan you better stay back or I'll wish you were de....
AAAAHHHHHHAAAHHHHAAHHAAAAHHAAAAHHHHHHHHH.
Man...they really did go and destroy something beautiful, didn't they? Think about it. What TTS was for the community. Wild.
Few Primarchs desired a better future for the ordinary humans as Magnus and Vulkan. Both wanted a peaceful and enlightened post-crusade humanity
Dorn and guilliman too . They were sick of all the wars and just wanted the imperium to enter an age of artistry and growth.
@@licensed_beheaderGuilliman mostly wants to return home and be a farmer, Dorn wanted to be an architect, Khan wanted to leave the Imperium and we get indication that Perturabo actually wanted to make machines that helped improve lives rather than taking them if only that fucker Erebus was aborted right after birth
The confrontation between Magnus and Vulkan at the throne was painful and you could feel the heartbreak from both as the Emperor drew a line Magnus could not cross.
You're in for a surprise.
Which version, there is 2 of them now days
"and tell him to lift his eyes from the forge fire once in awhile"
Exactly what a good-natured teasing sibling would say. Man, I hope they flesh this relationship out some time.
I can see Vulcan ribbing Magnus back with a heavy, though oddly tender clap on the back of one of his pauldrons along with a jesting remark about getting sick of the smell of parchment.
Vulcan : " I would if you didn't spend all your time nose burried in your books, Brother.
Magnus saving those people before he snuck into the palace was pretty cool as well.
The story of Magnus is the perfect version of the "Lost Son" story. He wants, so very much, to just go home... However, equally, he "knows" that he never can. He's wrong, but that is why it's perfect.
Well the Emperor did give him an impossible ultimatum, a choice between his father and his sons. Ultimatums always backfire. If your father made you choose, would you abandon your children?
@@Warrior_warlock Except he didn't. The entire exchange was revealed to be a Tzeentchian lie; what actually happened was that his last uncorrupted shard burst in asking for forgiveness and the Emperor said No because its too late. Echoes of Eternity has revealed just how much Tzeentch has warped Magnus's perception.
@@cursedkei66 oh, I haven't gotten that far yet. That's a shame. I liked the Magnus novella and scene.
@@cursedkei66 not exactly. We don't know what truly happened because as people have said before Vulcan cannot know what the fuck happened there. Not to mention Emperor amd Malcore are known to change certain memories in Primarchs before. My theory is both are sort of true. When Magnus refused the OG offer Emperor made another plan that required Magnus to think the first one was never real to begin with.
Why it upsets me that “prodigal sons” is a successor warband with no remotest and not a rebel group that wants to go back with that shard of Magnus leading
I loved the pre-fall thousand suns so much that I got full sleeve on my leg of them in their original Red and white colors.
That would make for a pretty wicked tat.
I still paint my 1ksons red and white.
40K desperately needs vulkan to return
Yes i agree,
him and cawl would make a great duo when it comes to technology probably even make new innovations for the imperium
@@albertor.6635 And FOR ONCE. Human rights.
@@albertor.6635 Vulkan's work at the forge was about art, and crafting a masterpiece as much as it was technology. Cawl believes the human being can be replaced entirely and uses tech for efficiency purposes. I don't imagine they would actually get along that well, since Vulkan's sympathies are VERY human. Roboute doesn't even trust Cawl that much.
I don't think Magnus and Vulkan are that different, Magnus was probably the next most humanitarian of the primarchs? Prosporo was utopian and humans and Astartes lived and learned together?
I didn’t know that
The Khan was also pretty chill with normal people and went against Dorn's battle plans to protect more people, even when Sanguinius warned Jaghatai that saving this many lives would put him in danger.
I think Sanguinius was also nice to simple men and women, but I can't think of any particular event that showcased it.
@@azertyqwerty8398 the Khan was probably super cool with his people, just gave them motion sickness every time he talk to them for some reason
Vulcan was kind and humble while magnus was kind but not humble at all. He kept on when warned by many. I’m a magnus fan but there are many moments in the books showcasing that trait.
As for leman whopping magnus…..had some considerable help against a guy who was reluctant.
Khan and Sanguinius where also very humble and loving of their populations of humans and the planets improved alot till the Heresy.
Its hard to believe that someone like Vulkan isnt the most beloved amongst his brothers. Perhaps his down to earth nature rubbed some of his brothers the wrong way? Its quite ironic that the one brother that can tear you to pieaces with his bear hands is the softest of them all.
Primarchs had the egos and dramatic personalities of Homeric Heroes. Someone down to earth and with a "plain" personality (for a super human demigod) was never going to everyone's farvorite.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen i guess Vulkan with such a personality is as human as they come. Even with us mere mortals, someone with such a trait would not be anyones favourite.
It is an amazing scene; The Death Guard has the Salamanders dead in the warp. Daemons flooding the ship and Terminators boarding it. And then their leader begins to panic, as he senses an enormous mind envelop the Salamanders ship and he flees in near-blind terror. That is just how mighty Magnus is within the Warp. He passed through Geller-fields, froze hordes of demons and guided a ship safe to Terra in the otherwise impenetrable Ruinstorm.
Before he went full daemon, Magnus’ actions proved that he was always loyal and altruistic. This furthers the tragedy of his story and his legion. So much depth to their story
Even as deamon prince his altruistic nature though twisted still exists. He wants to create a heaven for all psykers in his new planet for one. He attacked the Fenris for his ritual when he could have used a much less defended planet. Yes he killed shitton of innocent people but the fact that he still went for a target for his ire back in the day speak volumes.
"Come brother, let me give a big and strong HUUUUUUUUUUUUUG!!"
Magnus would've had a lot of like about Vulkan. He and his sons were different, just like the Thousand Sons. He supported the Librarius, was humane and valued knowledge and good craftsman ship and...well, aside from Curze, Vulkan could get along with just about anyone.
Magnus did not turn against the Imperium, the Imperium turned against him.
He never meant to break the wards on Terra, he only meant to warn the Emperor.
Horus manipulate Russ(not difficult) to kill Magnus, rather than being him to Terra.
If a Primarch is to return from Chaos, then it will be Magnus, for he never wanted to turn.
True tragedy
It'd be cool, but there's the issue of the shards...
@@christianh4723 yeah Malcador used "the best part" of Magnus in his own words to start the grey knights.
He still did everything wrong, due to his arrogance.
@@financialproblems9308 just like his dad! 🤣
Look, if you had the kind of psychic power that Magnus had, you would probably be a little arrogant too.
I always love just how MUCH content there is for WH40k. So many books. So many different little gems of interaction between the primarchs, champions, and other named characters. Stuff I might never even seen, in a book I've never read.
So good! Keep up the good work, Rho. It's amazing!
Magnus and vulkan werent very different their ideals were fairly similar. Both were hopeful romantics for the future. Magnus' loss was a tragedy, russ was in the wrong, he was tricked, and to stubborn to admit it. The state of the hellish imperium is partially russ' fault. (How great is the lore that we can have such different complex opinions of it?)
Russ was tricked, but he did regret it. He stayed in isolation for a good while in sorrow/ doubt and decided to change after the event, and I believe was the reason for why he didn't outright kill Horus when given the chance
@@zombieapocolypse141 this reminds me that he apparently walked around mechanically killing. In a way almoat like ptsd was suffered. Purhaps magnus showed him he was in the wrong at the last seconds before death.
It would be awesome if you can do a side by side close friendship of the Primarchs and they would have been in the time of war.
I don't know but standing by and not defending yourself due to overwhelming guilt can't really be considered a "defeat"!!
Leman "everyone but me must get rid of their pyskers" Russ probably hates Magnus because deep down he knows the necessity of psykers.
Ah if only he had bundled him back to Terra as the emperor intended instead. Emperor dammit. It's telling all the cool dude primachs like Sanguinius, Jagathai and Vulkan are fond of Magnus.
Vulcan and Magnus in gates of eternity - epic interactions and insights
The 20 Villa (21) under the Palace on the Lake; would have bonded all Brothers.
There just two brother hanging out until one day a red tomatoe armada appears and shatters their peace now it's up to two brothers... Just two brothers to bring down the tomato armada and that's not all there's old ladies wearing sombreros attacking two brothers. Magnus and vulkan just two brothers.
Need an animated series of this.
Vaulken"brother...come here and give me a hug" Magnus"NO...NOT THE HUGS AGAIN.... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH..MY SPINE"!!!!!!
Well, if they had all grown up on Terra, Konrad would have become the Batman that he was supposed to be...instead of the Bat-Shit Crazy Man.
I stand by this. Magnus did nothing wrong.
Got to disagree, when he forsaw Russ coming at him like a rabid fool he should have taken action, either running to terra first or better for the imperium shanking him as the Hradnkal broke from the warp with the entire 15th fleet prepped around it.
He did a lot of wrong, but a lot of it can indeed be blamed on the Emperor not wanting to explain anything. The Emperor should have known Magnus especially is not the kind of person to be "sated" with a "Because I said so". He's too curious, too confident, and especially too arrogant for that. Much like the Emperor himself.
Great, well thought out,video
Would you consider Magnus after his shattering the same person as before? I feel like having lost so much aspects before becoming a deamon makes him akin to Agron before and after the nails.
If the Emperor had ordered Vulcan and his Salamanders to attack and destroy Prospero, l think Vulcan would have refused.
That's why the Emperor sent the Wolves, he knew Russ would obey orders no matter what.
The Emperor didn't send the wolves to destroy Prospero. He sent them to censure Magnus. Horus intercepted the orders and changed them.
His orders where changed by Horus, it was all to drive magnus to chaos
Actually I think Vulcan had he been able to go there and actually talk with Magnus he might have been the one to talk him into surrendering himself
Brother if everything you say is true surrender yourself and throw yourself at the mercy of the emperor at the very least your sons will be there to defend the home world when the enemy attacks this is no time for us to fight
Yeah, Russ was the worst choice to send if he was expecting a surrender
@@malekith2724 Actually Horus wanted magnus dead but tzeentch and his 12d chess scheming played the whole thing to his favour .
"VULKAN LIVES" Stomp Stomp
just got done w Deathfire and though I read a lot of bad reviews about it, I honestly enjoyed the relationships described between Legions on Mcragge and the differences of beliefs within the Salamanders. a bit slow at times but nice nonetheless
Oh you will love the upcomming book - Echoes of Eternity. There will be by far most epic dialogue between those two
It was great! But I think that bit about the Offer literally put there to drow us nerd mad with speculation. What is the truth what is the false nerative here?
Man I hate Russ. He's such a hypocrit with the wulfen thing and psykers in his legion. Funny how Magnus gave him a hard time in close combat barely using his power.
I could actually see a 40k salamanders vs thousand son event. As much as the wolves and tson hate each Vulkan did defeat Magnus twice and even corrected him in the second fight about why he really came home.
My two favorite primarchs :)
Magnus and Horus were the only real losses in the turned primarchs
If they had all grown up on Earth, I think there would definitely have been a bond merely from the time spent together. I think that by the time they all met, they were already all grown-up and some of their personalities were incompatible as a result. There's also the fact that those with the harsher upbringing were likely jealous of the others, and this caused a rift between them.
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter since the Heresy separated even the closest of Primarchs.
Magnus actually got along REALLY well with a handful of his brothers, and not the ones most people would expect. Before I knew much about the lore, I would have assumed Magnus, Lorgar, and maybe another traitor like Perutabo or Horus would have been the closest, but it was definitely the Khan and Vulcan that showed him the most comradery. I know you're a Wolves fan, but I truly think Magnus and the Thousand Sons falling to chaos is one of the most tragic stories to come out of the Heresy era. Magnus never wanted it, his sons never did either, they were put into a constant losing situation and just made the wrong choices. That being said... chaos Tsons is still my favorite army
Saying they’re opposite isn’t right imo. Both cared for humanity, knowledge and arts. Both shared their wisdom and tried to better the imperium far beyond war
On a 15 minute video, ONE commercial break only please, not two.
Have my like. Will there be more about the Salamanders and Vulkan? I hope so ;-)
Isn't Vulkán one of few beings in Imperium allowed to ,,invent,, technology ?
Finally subscribed. Guilty of lerking
Vulkan just want give hime a great big “I’m nit mad that you ruined everything forever hug” but sadly Magnus has spinel issues (because he doesn’t have one)
Vulkan Lives!
Mabe it was tts but i really have a soft spot for pre daemon magnus
Magnus big downfall was his arrogance, vulkan was the most loving and caring towards humans with the Khan, Sanguinius, and other also caring for them just not as much.
Magnus too. These Primarchs actually gave a flying fuck about us regular jones and janes.
Honestly, and very generally cliched, there are just some people you meet with and click. Almost like magnetism, no matter how different you may be there's just something pulling you towards them. Others still are more like oil and water, no matter how much they interact they'll forever be separated, regardless of common ground.
Did Alpharius get on well with someone ?
Nice video.But a downvote because you like leman russ. A manhas to have principles
Salamanders!
I am Alpharius
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Cant you reconsider being a Space wolves fan?
You could be .
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Lord Castellan Rho
Forge Lord Rho
Just not the space wolves
I still think patriarchs are made based on other perpetuals not emperor.
The Indian and african brothers
indian?
@@praise_kek340 An old, rather racist, term for native Americans is "redskin".
@@shadowofkoa that went from 0 to 100
@@shadowofkoa I think he is talking about Indians like from India!
I always thought Egyptian
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Vulcan and Magnus in gates of eternity - epic interactions and insights