HORUS CONFRONTS MALCADOR THE SIGILLITE!
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- Опубліковано 15 кві 2019
- Hi all, Wolf Lord Rho here! (Combating a plague of Nurgle today with a sore throat).
Today we are looking at the events of Horus Lupercal, Alpharius and Jaghatai Kahn confronting Malcador the Sigillite on Terra! That's right, Malcador standing up to THREE Primarchs! Oh yes...
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"Do not take me for a conjurer of cheap tricks"
-Space Gandalf. around 29.899
Horus Baggins
Lol
Bro...... 😂
Braaah 😂😂
I love the nicknames
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Big ass Conan Joestar
Space Jesus
I love how Kahn was the first one to realize that Malcador could actually kill all of them.
I doubt he could kill all of them but I reckon he could have killed horus, thing is the other two primarchs didnt seem to want to get as physical as horus so they might not have put up as much of a fight or even backed out completely
@@moiraides9466 Yeh I can agree with that, good point.
@@Ser-Vex131 Would have been interesting to see them fight though, would have been a brutal one, Malcador might very well be able to prove me wrong
@@moiraides9466 Oh absolutely, see the might of the most powerful human psyker. I'd imagine it would be a fight only second to Horus and the Emperor!
Alpharius would never let on.
Horus: I am in control here
Malcador: Do you feel in control?
Yes, yes you are dear.
-Malcador, circa 32m
@@HighlanderFrag4Life The skull-servo recording this conversation also caught Malcador's tactical Eyeroll as well, although Imperial Gothic has no way of notating this as it wasn't spoken.
Jim Venanzio all eyebrows rose on that day
Malcador: "You were merely adopted by Mankind. I was born in it, molded by it."
@@dommydench4693 haha wow that's way to fitting
Thats why Malcador needs a staff. His balls are just too big and he needs help to maintain balance when standing. What a badass lol
SWINGING BEEF
No, that's what his fannypack is for. Hence, robe.
Yeah, lol it bothered me when he said, "You gotta admire malcadors balls." 🤔 maybe 'gravitas' would have worked better or 'confidence' even...
Lol thats why I cringed when he says, "You gotta admire Malcadores balls." Maybe 'confidence' or 'gravitas' would have worked better....
Heresy! Malcador's balls are perfectly balanced. The staff merely a prop to disarm those who underestimate him, and enthrall those who recognize him.
Malcador: I can submerge and protect a planet in the warp, and you only come at me 3 deep. Boy you musta lost yo mind.
Is it nit the Moon of Jupiter? Titan?
@@eltonjohntubola3212 either which way only 3 deep to challenge malcador? Malcador could snap their throats closed and walk out untouched by any of them and just recreate them
@@aldrikvoldus9599 Is he that powerful? I would think using your psychic powers on a primarch is difficult
@@eltonjohntubola3212 no Malcador took Deimos the second moon of Mars and stuck it near titan to equip the grey knights.
@@K4inan He is second only to the Emperor when it comes to psychic power. Malcador is literally one of the most powerful psykers in the 40k universe.
Everyone gangsta until Malcador starts doing weird things with his fingers.
Anyone who makes it to old age, in a setting where everything wants to kill them, is not the type of person you want as an enemy.
Ages old but having just read about the Hexarchy I feel the need to necro your comment. Those are definitely old men you'd be fine crossing!
Beware old men in proffesions where men die young.
@@ConfusedGuardsman and few die younger than king makers.
Especially when they are over 6000 years old and can remember the golden age of technology
Love how no one really talks about the most important line here, that the Emperor always intended for the normal humans to rule the Imperium
When he was done with the thunder warriors, the Emperor had them killed. Just tools.
@@bobh9492 hed do the same to the primarchs if they remained oblivious to this fact
Would that mean the Emperor would retire from leadership?
@@justinokraski3796 My thoughts are that the Emperor would go into hiding and oversee humanity behind the scenes like he did before the Dark Ages..
I guess he really does see the primarchs as only tools and not humans. He wants humanity to go back to how it was before as they ruled themselves
Primarchs: We're about to end Malcadors whole career.
Malcador: Emperor, hold my staff.
I wonder if this would have gone the same way if it had been Konrad, Sanguinius & Magnus who walk in and not the Horus trio.
@@CoolCraftCool Sanguinius wouldn't have entertained this heresy in the first place, he was one of the Primarchs least likely to question the Emperors orders.
@@perpetualnomad4304 The exact Primarchs wasnt the point it was more a question of if it had been three power house Psi Primarchs that had walked in change out Sanguinius for Lorgar who thought nothing of Malcador if you have to.
@@CoolCraftCool I know I know, just being cheeky.
Lol
I personally believed that alpharius is here because he's bored and wanted to start some drama
Conagher Denson He's like that friend that starts beef but then shit himself when bullets start flying
@@darrianweathington1923 I mean...him and his legion were at the forefront of the fighting. He felt he had shit to prove and so did his legion. So they fought like hell for the most part. Hell he died because he had the balls to stand in the center of Sol system waaaaaay in front of his allies just to fuck with Dorn.
He was the friend who would start shit...and hit the other guy with a chair while the fists just start to fly.
I thought about this alot too. I wonder if he is playing a Judas roll of sorts. he is needed to help Horus along the path of Chaos... maybe by the Emperors will or request? maybe this has always been part of the Emperors plan?
maybe the unnamed primarch was his buddy? maybe he was closer to him then the others?
Not actually Alpharius (he was already killed by Rogal Dorne) it is Omegon, his twin brother.
Three primarchs storm into a semi secret meeting not guarded by Custodes
*100 Custodes come out of the woodwork as soon as shouting is heard*
And that's why nobody can assassinate the Emperor. The Custodes are to the Imperial Palace what ammunition is to an Obliterator. They just manifest where needed.
God knows how many hidden teleportation devices.
What are the opinions as the the power levels where custodes vs primarks are concerned.
There's some evidence that custodes are more physically powerful than primarks.
@@teddyomes
There have been some friendly duels in the lore, but generally primarchs are more powerful, with some limitations. Magnus would probably lose without his psychic powers. Alpharius, alone, would lose.
What is important is, inside the imperial palace, where the custodes know the terrain and it's 10000 vs 1-21 guys? Yeah it's a curbstomp. A squad of 5 could probably take out most primarchs (pre-demon prince status of course) or at least hold them off long enough for reinforcements to get there.
Also, Primarchs are named characters. 1v1 with an unnamed custodes isnt really fair. Constantin Valdor is probably on the same level as Russ, though.
I'm not super informed as to the 1v1 numbers.
But I have heard that the custodes are a plus one on all levels compared to the primarks in some of the various codex manuals concerning the board games.
Being the custodes are the personal bodyguards of the Emperor.
But like I said, my own knowledge is limited concerning the various lore.
@@teddyomes
Oh i know nothing about the actual tabletop 1v1s, but you can probably look it up on 1d4chan. They have stats for ALL primarchvsprimarch combination with statistical averages, so if you look up Constantin or something they're bound to have something to say.
To quote The Emperor
"Malcador The Sigillite is no more! For he shall only, now and forever, be known as MALCADOR THE HERO!"
To Quote Majorkill:
"Malcador the Sigilite is no more! For he shall only, now and forever, be known as MALCADOR THE SICK CUNT!"
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If you don't get this, look up Majorkill on UA-cam. I'm an Australian myself so I'm probably bias but he's pretty hilarious. Even a lot of his older videos.... within reason. Just skip to the time he starts going more 40K stuff if you're more interested in anything else.
Where is this?
Malcador the Whooper of Horus’ ass
I like the Khan because of events like this. He isn’t sure who is his enemy and who is his friend, so he observes. He isn’t a vain idealist or glory-hound, he just wants to be on the right (less murdery) side.
The Khan is quickly becoming one of my favorite Primarchs.
Between learning more about Corvus, Vulcan, and The Khan, the more I love them all.
Corvus is memed to be this sad emo poetry boy, but he is so human in his interactions with other, basically crying with happiness when big E tells him he has brothers.
Vulcan is just a fucking sweetheart who can go blow to blow with the biggest fucking orcs in the galaxy.
The Khan might be a anti-social dick to most, but he's not drawing blades and from my limited knowledge never just spouts a threat for the feel of it. He takes his time, looks things over, and gives everyone a distant but fair chance at anything.
The Kahn is the only one who isn't still a little child inside and confident in his abilities, hence he roams around the far reaches of the Galaxy unaided, the others still aren't self confident, something Malcador knew, and hence susceptible to corruption.
The Sons of Russ remember the betrayal of the Khan
@@FoxHound-ut1hu fuckin furries
Who else can imagine Christopher lee’s voice telling Horus to be quiet.
Check out Orson Well's voice-over for Unicron from "Transformers: The Movie", the 1984 animated movie.
"...your bargaining posture is highly dubious..."
"Ash nazg gimbatu..."
@@garysuarez9614+
Hey!! You mind your tongue. There's no need for that kind of language in this place. The Black Speech has no part in these happy discussions.
I'd have loved to see Christopher Lee as Malcador.
@@justinanderson2460 *cough cough* sorry, something got caught in my throat just now...
To me it feels like this: Horus strolls on in like the swaggering gangland boss he grew up as. Alpharius is the sidekick sheltering in his shadow, hanging around with the cool kid as it were. The Khan is there clearly with some reluctance, because once the Khan decides you are a friend, you are a friend, but he doesn't agree. And Malcador ... he has seen this kind of thing a million times before, he wasn't impressed with it then, and he's not now. You can't bully or intimidate the Sigilite.
More of an, old cantankerous and envious geriatric gets caught scheming in the shadows, throws a temper tantrum when confronted about it. "Dont even say that name" because why? Forces you to confront your own sins for a second?
The primarchs behave in accordance to station, malcador ATTACKS without just cause, repeatedly using psyker abilities on them. The equivalent would be Horus pinning someone to the ground under heel the moment a conversation doesn't go the way he would like, then throttling them. The degree of escalation from the beligerant old coot is the real foreshadowing on why the imperium will fall, sheer arrogance from lesser men (Morally), placed in control of the most important work in their history. Malcador falsely believes himself worthy to govern and rule, but loses his temper faster than diabetic child, typical of a telepath honestly, they have insane control issues.
@@ADRooney1 He only uses his power on Horus when horus is going to speak the name of one fo the lost primarchs. The Emperor ordered them never to do that, and considering the Emperor's previous actions, he probably didn't do that out of sentiment. Not speaking their names is important for some reason, which is probably connected to their disappearance.
Sigmalitte grindset #30killonaremindset
@@ADRooney1 I honestly agree with that perception of Malcador. He was a man soaked in blood and lies. The only being to hold the confidence of the emperor.
I don’t question his loyalty, I do question his motives.
It’s been established that names are important in 40k. A gray knight was able to banish Mortarion back to the warp with the aid of his true name.
If Horus were to speak the true name of whichever brother he was talking about, it could have been a disaster.
Who knows what secrets are behind their purge. Only thing we know for sure is that it seems the emperor himself is dead set on keeping them secret.
Maybe Malcador was trying to save Horus in his egotistical, old ass man type of way
@@ADRooney1+
I'd argue this is mostly nonsense for the following reasons:
1) Maclador specifically stated to Horus it was the Emperor's direct command to not speak their names. Up until Horus went down that road, the Sigilite was incredibly cool, calm and collected despite Horus essentially throwing a tantrum (however justified he might have felt).
2) Horus was accusing Malcador overstepping his authority (which, as Malcador points out, is that of the Emperor himself whenever the Big E is away from Terra) which isn't at all true due to this being the Emperor's own ruling.
3) Malcador is, frankly, the best option to rule Terra and the Imperium as a whole (outside of the Emperor himself) and has proven this over and over again. His mind is impossibly keen for business, logistics, politics, war administration and espionage and he's not at all afraid to do what must be done (including some very morally grey things) in order to ensure the Imperium is kept safe. He's also the guy behind the Guild of Assassins (who he saved countless lives with their intervention before the Inquisition became the bullshit they are today and began commandeering them) the Grey Knights (who speak for themselves) and the Inquisition - before it became way too full of itself. He understands humanity on every level - from the commoner to the highest Lord and even Primarchs and Astartes. He's a sublime judge of character and skilled in psychology and is easily able to recognise when someone is or is not a fit for a certain task. Moreover, I have no doubt that, judging by his appearances and his belief in and adherence to the Emperor's plan, Malcador wouldn't even consider the term "worthiness" concerning himself or any other ruler aside from the Emperor. More like what is most effective insofar as what works out in the Imperium's best interests.
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This whole scene reads like Horus, bursting in and acting like a petulant child railing at an (admittedly unfortunate) situation that he does not truly understand, threatening Malcador with grand words and a lot of noise in a public and manner - almost making a spectacle out of it. He then proceeds to continue his tantrum when he doesn't get the outcome he wants, pushing the boundaries of Malcador's patience until finally crossing a line by threatening to defy the Emperor's own order. This was the one and only point where Malcador loses his temper and he very quickly puts this arrogant, ignorant child in his place before dismissing the whole thing and letting it go, satisfied he's made his point. Sure the kid storms out in a huff but he also doesn't try to push his luck to that extent again.
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If you want to still claim the Primarchs are behaving according to their station, remember that Malcador was granted the "station" of Lord Regent and the Emperor's own authority to go along with it - by the Emperor himself. His "station" is above that of the Primarchs in this instance and he acts accordingly.
Malcador using the word Boy way before Kratos, love it.
Wouldn't it technically be later? Since we're in the year 30k?
@@CrazyDutchguys Implying God Of War and 30K take place on the same timeline.
@@THExRISER plot twist, kratos is the emperor
@@bloodangel19 no
Tall Man said it first in greatest cheap horror movie ever! Phantasm
Malcodor:”No,no, you have it backwards, HE wasn’t the Emperor until he met me”.
You mean....
Yes, I bought him that *The Emperor* hockey jersey for his birthday.
And from then on.....
he was morris niebolt no longer!!
That makes Malcador the Space Pope.
Funny, he doesn’t look reptilian to me...
@Cian McCabe I would pay real fucking gold to see the Emperor as Dio. Now that would be very, very, MENACINGLY, fitting.
@The God Emperor He was a bro for life. And a hero.
@@ffejpsycho nah bro Big E's real name was Timmy Spacemarine
The amount of heartache Malcador would have spared the galaxy unmaking horus then and there...
Would have triggered a full scale rebellion on the spot. A completely justified one at that. See the second highest ranking human in the galaxy murder humanities greatest champion, a hero of the crusades, because he himself was caught in nefarious deed. Either malcador would be executed for it, or 3/4 of the legions would revolt to do it themselves.
@@ADRooney1 very good point. Keep in mind they aren’t alone in this chamber. If Malcador kills Horus, who at this point is a beloved prince and war hero, word will spread very fast.
Malcador was into something when he pointed out the family that was there to see the Primarchs in person, knowing there’s nothing Horus hates more then not living up to the image people have of him. At the very least Horus should’ve found some way to talk to Malcador alone, but that would undermine the drama of confronting him in public. And he was mad. He was very mad, first about the statues and then about Malcador’s attitude towards him and his brothers.
Notice he never actually backed down - he stabbed the table and left. No resolution.
Malcador should’ve reached out later to attempt to make peace but doing so would’ve undermined his authority. Either way, Jr is mad and stuff is being out in motion
@@ADRooney1 Or Horus would simply be expunged from history, and the khan and alpharius would have to swear secrecy or have their memories sealed away.
@@ADRooney1 nothing nefarious about striking down the 2nd and 11th Primarchs plinths. The FACT we know zippidy doo dah about what they actually did against the Emperor (If your're not with me, you're against me) is telling, none may speak about them, sworn to secrecy, even mind wiped by the Sigillite. One gone during the Rangdan xenocides, the other big ? mark. As Regent, whatever orders he issues is like it comes from the Emperor's mouth. Even the Custodes were ready to handle all 3. When the Emperor lost the Sigillite on the throne, it's like his soul ruptured from the grief. Custodes were companions, but the Sigillite was his true friend and brother.
@@silversurfer8818 If that were to happen, it would take thousands of years to erase Horus from the imperiums memory. Trillions of Trillions of humans love Horus and praise him as a hero, it’s like trying to erase Superman from everyone’s memory. It’s it not going to work.
Horus got himself Vader choked and paralysed by Malcador. He couldn't even swing his sword to kill him if he wanted to.
Wish they would reveal Malcador's backstory one day.
Dedrick Howell , Waiting for that with baited breath. If you haven’t already check out the short story “First lord of the Imperium” chock full of Malcodory goodness. (and some neat reveals )
Dedrick Howell No he just paralysed him, that’s all. Choking someone with the psychic might of Malcador is heretical to call it “Vader choked” Malcador could kill Vader with a thought and Horus would just wipe the floor with him, there’s not Vader choking here.
@@Red-cb4ow Hmmmm, that's some extra nerdy analysis my friend.
Dedrick Howell just the way we like it!
I actually disagree. I would like to see more stories with him in it. But I think its better to keep Malcasor's back story similar to the Emperor's. They are too closely linked. Hell, for all we know, Malcador could be a portion of the Emperor's psyche that split off or was cast off as a safety mechanism. If I remember right there is a story where the Emperor tells Guiliman I think, that he has to constantly concentrate on like 20 things at all times, lending credence to the shaman committing ritual suicide and becoming an amalgam of powerful psychic souls called the Emperor.
Malcador would have repainted the room with 2 thin coats of Horus Heresy red if they actually came to blows.
Very underrated comment.
Yoooo
He would of stomped them.
Sometimes I question if it wouldn't have been better to send Malcador to the Vengeful Spirit instead of the Emperor to fight Horus. He would have no pity and no remorse.
Doubtful. He might have been able to down Horus but the other two would have killed him.
i do love how the primarchs or at least most of them refer to Malcador as Uncle
i really like that the black library are spinning the whole family arc for the imperial household because it really amps up and adds to the tragedy of the horus heresy. because if all the emperor felt for the primarchs truly was just weapons and the primarchs never saw each other as brothers or Malcador as family or the emperor and Mals never refereed to each other as old friend or brother then it kills investment in the characters.
Horus: im the boss here.
Malcador: hold my beer boy.
Hold my *RECAF*
BOI
@@conagherdenson2194 breathes in imperial
boy if you don't sit your ass down
I just found this lmfao
That ancient long forgotten gesture Malcador used to freeze Horus is what we nowadays call the proverbial middle finger.
If flipping the bird isn't a common gesture amongst guardsman then I am done with 40k.
He crossed his arms and swung them towards his groin. Then did a thrust and whispered, "suck it."
@@MOLRobocop *cut to warhammer theme plays with a birds eye view of Terra
"In the dark future there is only WAR!!
Gaze upon him. A mortal, more powerful than the Primarchs themselves. A mortla which has aided the Emperor longer than anyone else. A mortal that could be considered to be on the same level as the Emperor, or perhaps very close. A Mortal that saved the Imperium from certain doom.
A Mortal. A Hero. A Man.
And that's what makes him and the Imperial Guard so badass. Mortal humans doing their utmost to preserve their species and help it flourish. It's the Imperium of Man, not the Imperium of Transhuman Demigods, for a reason.
Malcador the Hero!!!
Das Institut He’s hardly a mortal. He’s been alive for several millennia
@meaturama Gaze, plebeian. GAZE!
Here Here
"I will unmake you here and now boy"
Holy shit
The same way the Emperor UNMADE Horus on the Vengeful Spirit. THAT easy.
WE WERE SO CLOSE TO HEARING ONE OF THE TWO MISSING PRIMARCHS NAMES AHHHHHH
Ugh... I know right!?
So close.
The frustration is real.
Bob and Dave. Those were the names.
They were talking about Angron following his censure by the Emperor for worshiping him as a God. He was deeply disgraced and this was a continuation of that punishment.
Malcador to Horus:'' Your lack of fate is disturbing!!'' (WORP CHOKE.)
Fun and Party ironic
*warp
Spell check your posts for shit sake. This is retardeded....
idk man, i was in tears laughing at worp choke 😂
Lmao
First Luetin, then you. Nurgle is hard at work. Get well soon.
I think all these guys either went to the same con or yeah Nurglings hard at work.
The blessings are upon you...
Hey hey papa nurgle just wants to love you.
Alpharius set this up to gauge Malcador's powers. He knew the petulance of Horus would go too far
That, that moment there when Malcador asserted that the Imperium would be ruled by men not Gods or Post-human Demi-Gods is what set Horus on the Path of Rebellion.
Though remember because of this Erebus was able to manipulate Horus by showing him the some parts of the future were he saw him and other pimarchs getting erased from history .
He thought the emperor would just throw them away after everything was done.
This moment only cemented that fear that they were just tools to be discarded after their use for Horus
What do you think would happen to the primarchs and Astartes after chaos was erased and humanity ascended.
Even Sanguinius was extremely scared to reveal the existence of the black rage and red thirst.
I understand Horus. It's like someone asking you to forget your own brother and let the family pretend he doesnt exist.
It can make anyone very angry.
And that's why Malcador is in the wrong. You can't tell a man to forget the brother he fought beside for over 100 years and let his memory be wiped just to suit whatever creepy little political scheme the Sigilitte is conjuring up.
@@randomcenturion7264 we don't know the whole story or why hes doing this. From what i gather even Horus dosen't know why. I think were emp and Mal failed at is in trusting the primarchs.
@@randomcenturion7264 I think Malcador was more sympathetic than he let on here. After all, he later tries to talk Lorgar down without a fight at Monarchia. Here he HAS to be ruthless because Horus is about to disobey the Emperor in front of the whole Council of Terra. Do you know the fallout that could cause? It would be political suicide- no one would ever trust the Emperor again to control the Primarchs especially after 2 of them went traitor, and would likely demand their movements be controlled- or execution.
So its either choke him now, or lobotomise/kill them all later. And Malcador has had enough killing. He takes the route that gives them a chance to survive, shores up his street cred AND keeps Horus from making the Emperor angry all in one go. Now that's politics.
@@leomartinez9764 They knew some of them would fall to chaos , probably why they didn't trust them.
Well, there was a short story I forget which book, I think it's one of the siege of Terra books where Dorn Discovers the rooms of his brothers and he realizes he can't remember anything about them. He confronts Malcador and it turns out both Guilliman and Dorn asked Malcador to wipe their memories of them. Dorn had a hard time believing Malcador, so he gave Dorn a glimpse of what was erased and whatever it was about broke Dorn. So yes there was a good reason, but I agree simply asking brothers to forget one another is just asking for trouble.
if this was in film I would have Clint Eastwood in his current age, play as Malcador.
no, get John hurt to do it, I don't care that he's dead
Clint Eastwood....
Good choice.
Ian Mcshane... channelling Al Swergin
Gran torino clint eastwood would be great 😂
Yeah john hurt could pull it off.
Ian mckellan and willem defoe would be goid too
I too have a never ending horusH/40k casting call going in my head too anytime I read/listen to it!
I love it when we get to see the Primarchs and their feelings for each other. However much they cared about the Imperium and the Emperor's plan for humanity, they cared about their brothers more. Even Leman Russ, in the moments before the fall of Prospero did not want to execute the order he believed at the time, had come from his father to break Magnus and the Thousand Sons. And when counseled by the Emperor himself on whether or not to have Lorgar and the XVIIth suffer the same fate as the forgotten Primarchs and their Legions, Russ voted against it, saying he had no wish to lose a third brother. I can only wonder how much of an impact this scene played in Horus mind when Erebus showed him visions of a future where the statues of him and eight other primarchs had been removed from the palace and to which extent it convinced him that rebellion was the only solution to see that the Legions were given what he considered their due.
Great comment well thought through
Proves the fact Malcador is the most powerful normal human psyker !
Malcador:"Call an ambulance... but not for me."
OMG this may be the greatest lore I've ever heard!
The beast mode of malcador has long been a thing of whispered legend amongst a thousand gaming tables and dining rooms. To see just a mere glimpse of Malcadors offensive capability is beyond awesome for me. "I will unmake you, right here and now...". Love this! Keep up the good work sir
Malcador is so hard to get a read on. He lets Garro get away with all kinds of shit (obviously he needs Garro and the galactic situation is much more serious) but then he's here threatening to psychically murder the most favored Primarch.
TrickyDickTracy Garro acts out of a sense of honesty and right, Malcodor knows and admires this. Garro is a good man.
Horus is prideful, arrogant. He raised threats against his direct superior. ( Malcodor is the regent) Malcodor showed him his place.
@@spike.strat1318 I agree with you for the most part. I guess for me there's a disconnect between the Malcador that can recognize the humanity of Garro and the Malcador that force chokes uppity Primarchs upset about their sibling being wiped from history. Not that Horus's threats towards Malcador are lost on me.
TrickyDickTracy , Yeah, Malcodor is an interesting character. The story “ First lord of the Imperium” shows his human side. He has a soft spot for those who impress him. Cold as ice to those who cross him( or Emps)
I like how Horus said he could kill him and get away with it, Malcodor then shows him, I can do the same, you young upstart. I don’t think Malcodor really trusted many of the primarchs, Dorn possibly being one exception.
I’m now convinced that the ruinous powers are trying to silence you and Leutin with one of Nurgles blights.... don’t give in brother. The Emperor Protects.
This is about Malcador destroying the statue of the 11th Primarch, right?
ehhh one of them, there are 2 that are shamed and forgotten not sure which this is.
@@TheReaver1234 Both the 2nd and 11th Primarch's. There legions were mind wiped and turned into Ultramarines. Poor sods.
@@jackmyers8687 Malcador and Horus are only referring to one brother if you notice the syntax used
@@jaredwilliams2357 A good observation. Maybe they weren't destroyed at the same time?
@@jackmyers8687 It's what this story seems to imply along with tidbits of mentions of the lost primarchs in other books
Horus was asking for a bruising
The custodians make even the primarchs hesitate, bud.
Well, Alpharius depanding on which one wouldnt really care, ironically he would probably be the only primarch of the 3 to survive because he can hide from Malcador and the Custodes since it was the goal of his training
@@erwannthietart3602 Depends if it was Terra Alpharius (if so he probably would have escaped/been spared) or if it was Space Alpharius (Would have been killed or spared for the sake of Terra Alpharius)
Horus: "The name of my brother is------(choking noises)--"
Malcador: " -I find your lack of faith disturbing."
What's the name of his brother?
@@megaman91646 chicka chicka slim shady.
This encounter over the erasure of the lost primarchs is the key stone that Eribus used to sway Horus after the primarch had been felled by the Anethane blade. Horus's spirit was taken to the time line where he had rebelled and saw that his and his fellow traitor brothers statues were now dust to be tred on by mortal feet. Thier legacy gone as if it never had existed. Horus had already witnessed it once so it was all too easy to believe it could happen again. Even Magnus's words and effort were.too little to late in the warp after Horus had seen the future that denighed him and his brothers and thier legions the honor and glory they had fought for. Malcador and the Emperor bear some of the blame for the heresy to come.
Paul Elder I believe that not all the Primarchs were meant to see the end of the Great Crusade, Emps constantly testing all of them seeing who will be able to carry the burden of their responsibility. The heresy just came early.
I disagree. As Primach Lion El Johnson said, "loyalty is it's own rewards." He had way more character flaws then Horus and treated honor far greater then him. Yet, the Loin stayed loyal.
@@cbweno1 the loin...😂😂😂
@@Crack_the_Skye Yo we all need loyal loins. Word.
The Emperor's decision not to explain his great project to his sons was the greatest folly. If Magnus had know what the Emperor was building he would have sent word via fleet and astropath. The Heresey would not reached its level if the Emperor had been notified by Magnus.
Arcain gesture (the finger🖕) to the Primarch?
Yup.
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Im surprized humanity has forgotten about it
@@carloreneeventura8714 lol!
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It really seems like one of the lost Primarchs stumbled upon and was tainted by Chaos. I love that they're still such a mystery in 40k.
surely not, if that were the case surely Lorgar would have been aware of the warp prior to discovering the eye of terror.
Got the feeling the lost primarch’s statue was removed for a failure, perhaps falling in battle? Could be the price of failure that Horus, Alpharius and the Khan felt they had to get answers for as it couls easily happen to them. The name and Glory was everything to the Legions.
@@JohnDoe-gu7eh I have thought about this as well, but I'm still not sure. The Emperor kept a lot of secrets and kept them well. Sometimes even utterly wiping the memories of the Primarchs of the events they had witnessed. Also, most the Primarchs were found by the Emperor and Emperor alone (by this I mean he didn't bring all the other Primarchs along each time one was discovered), so it is possible that the Emp found one of the Primarchs fallen to chaos, killed him, blamed it on something else, and then spread that story. It could be false story where he claimed that a 'genetic' flaw was found and that is also why a large portion of the legionaries where wiped out as well. The 'failure' could then be considered the Emperors. This would then pave the way for the other Primarchs to be like "WTH?!" when they are getting erased and thinking it a huge overreaction, but in truth they wouldn't know the full truth (just my thoughts on how it could be a false story). The Emperor had basically declared war on all religion in the hopes of wiping it from the galaxy to weaken the chaos gods considerably. He most likely wouldn't tell his sons of what really happened if one of their brothers fell to chaos because his ultimate crusade was to erase knowledge of the dark gods entirely so they had less influence and power. So if this did happen, even if Logar knew originally about it, the Emperor probably would do a mind wipe on him, especially given Logar's desire to have religion. Once again I don't know. The failure was big. That's all we know. Big enough for the Big E himself to, at least in the long run, be OK with wiping them from existence. I think if one fell in battle, failed to do a duty, or some other failure, the Emp and Malcador wouldn't go to extremes in destroying everything pertaining to them.
Well, it sounds for sure that Leman Russ helped kill one, and this story makes it sound like all the primarchs were in agreement about it. So I don't know about the Emperor wiping memories in this particular case. My personal theory is that one Primarch had allied himself with Xenos and wouldn't give up his allies and the other fell in battle and the Emperor couldn't have the knowledge that his primarchs could be killed floating around. Bad publicity after all
I don't think it is merely the taint or knowledge of chaos, since most of them are already tainted from when they were taken an scattered by chaos. Might be more delving into chaos worship that might have caused it. I mean one Idea I had is that the legion of the damned is one of the lost/forgotten legions that had delved into using the warp, but maybe also learned to create an use demons/demon vessels, and thru that knowledge even after death came back as daemons/spirits (maybe the emperor bring them back even after he is on the throne.)
I mean imagine with the knowledge the emperor has of chaos, him coming upon a world with one of his children on the world. An as he descends onto the world seeing demons that his son had summoned, people that his son had placed demons into, and how that would affect him. Even the idea of if this same son attacked an used his connection to the emperor against him, which might explain how the emperor might change the end game of the use for the primarchs later on. like going form instead of them being both conquers an lords to rule mankind, to seeing them as too dangerous an so after uniting the empire killing them off.
I love how the Custodes aren’t afraid to take on a primarch.
I love how Horus projects his own perception of himself on malcador in the beginning. Its not the primarchs imperium or the marines imperium its the imperium of man
Is it wrong to ask for a little bit of recognition after everything you have done to serve the Imperium?
Horus is basically asking for the bare minimum here. Would you really be fine if someone asked you to just forget about your brother who fought alongside you?
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It's great to see Horus protest the taking down of the statues of the lost Primarchs. It's obvious that Horus believes that they should still be remembered, and honored. Malcador, on the other hand, clearly makes it known that the Primarchs are no more important than the rest of Humanity. I still believed that the missing brothers never turned against the Emperor, but they may have had information that would have caused the other Primarchs to question their creator, the Emperor.
I think Alpharius is just playing Horus against Malcador in a fight he already knew the outcome of just to see if Horus' go for the throat approach would get Malcador to slip some little bits of information or confirm things he was thinking already, like it was the Emperor's order to remove them. Or what is Malcador gonna say about rewritting history vs how does his body reactions say he feels about it, does he let slip what he knows about Alpharius' agents in the palace vs what can he confirm possibly about what he believes about Malcadors spies.
It's like Varrrus and Little Finger having a spymaster bromance and Horus doesn't realize he's Cersei. Jaghatai fully realizes this is all bullshit, Horus has been played, but there's important information and philosophical points at stake that he's going to understand before he gets too riled up, and try to stop Horus from playing himself, cause he knows Alpharius will let him go full murderfuck on Malcador just to see what the Sigilite does as a counter.
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Sounds alpharius
Nice theory....
Hydra Dominatus, brothers...
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Yes, he does.
I feel that this interaction does more for Horus' character and provides stronger motivations than the majority of the books based on his fall.
THREE Primarchs Confront Malcador.....
Malcador- "Horus..... you work the shaft"
"Khan and Alpharius.... You get deez nutz!"
:o
Love Malcador in the books. This is such a badass scene of him putting *a Primarch* in his place.
possibly Malcador knows backdoors in the Primachs' esoteric structure, we know they were created partially with "sorcery"
Kiera Furneaux yes, he was totally referring to that. There's a biological killswitch that Malcador knows
Honestly I think this is it, there's some sort of mental backdoor the Emperor and Malcador know.
The emperor should have spanked Horus more often
Brilliant device for injecting the fan lore into the story line. The entire discussion being that of the missing primarchs left open for the reader to complete with personal lore, fantastic. I hope to see more of this. Another great/poignant selection. I enjoy hearing your insights as well. Thank you for putting these together, I cant get enough of the black library!
I want Malcador to come back as a force ghost and force lightning Abbadon
Malcador: "YOU WILL PAY FOR YOUR LACK OF *VISION* !" *LIGHTNING CRACKLES*
I think Malcador could take a primarch if he needed to. He's sandbagging, and I'm not sure the primarchs realize it.
michael howell what’s sandbagging mean
@@gundam116 it's a racing term. It's when someone is racing (usually drag racing) and they intentionally go slower, sometimes by actually using bags of sand, to get a better bracket or race. Get what it means now?
Malcador could have taken all three of them
He could of stomped all three of them without a second thought.
Malcador pushed an entire planet sized moon into the warp with his mind....squashing three Primarchs is absolutely no challenge to him.....its the rage that would control him that would cause problems. i have yet to see him referred to as human.
I have to say, I have consumed quite a bit of 40K content on youtube over the years. Wolf Lord Rho, I am impressed with the content you have put on and its presentation so far.
No one is talking about the most interesting thing to me:
That one of the 2 "missing primarchs" apparently was killed, and it was for his failure that he was scrubbed from history.
I just said this. Lol 2 years later!!!! Rangdan xenocides....im betting dollars to doughnuts thats either where the other Primarch died or was dishonored.
I'd argue that Alfarius isn't interested in honor or legacy. But surprisingly honesty, he devotes all his ssrvents to uncovering the the truth..
That's a great point!
@@wolflordrho But not truth for truths s a k e - but as a weapon.
Horus wants to preserve his brother's memory, malcador wants to destroy unpleasant history. Horus sees this as an omen to the fate of the primarchs when all is done, and malcador only compounds this with further aggravation.
He sowed the seeds in that story. Horus really resented mortals ruling the Imperium and that's one of the avenues that Chaos exploited to turn him.
18:14 I have reason to believe that arcane gesture was a solid middle finger 😂
Horus was lucky to survive this encounter, he could have easily found his statue join his brother's.
Custodian Captain: Lord Regent Malcador, we are here to protect you and assist you with dealing with these primarchs.
Malcador: Respect homie, go dig some graves while I handle them.
Custodian Captain: *Visual confusion*
The secrets that Malcador and the Emperor so zealously protected is what lead to the heresy. I really want there to be a book like the “Last Church” which just has the Emperor and Malcador discussing the future, the warp, the dark age, etc, before the primarchs were born. I believe the both of them were much much more naive than most would like to believe.
One of the recent books in the Dark Imperium series gave a good explanation for why the Emperor kept the warp a secret from humanity.
The warp gains strength from humanity's fears. Imagine if they knew there were real daemons and monsters. People would dwell on it and the warp beings would become even more powerful. By keeping it a secret, he was actually reducing the power of the warp. I still think he should have told his primarchs though.
Was the old man Malcador in The Last Church???
Adrian P no
@@Skerra-kk6sm He should have definitely told the Primarchs. Do you think trying to keep the warp's existence a secret was effective in the long run? I mean humanity was separated from each other for years and Chaos took hold on some planets and then you have Chaos cults springing up on planets controlled by the Imperium. I think he should have taught people about the warp and belittle the Chaos gods, so that people didn't of them as gods but more like extra dimensional creatures that pray on excess. He could have instilled the Imperial truth and used Chaos as a means of promoting a moral compass for humanity.
I just found this channel, I never knew I need this, but this is now on of my favorite 40k channels, keep up the good work man.
"I will unmake you" that's a heavy statement damn.
Absolutely love your work, thank you. Keep up the videos, your content has gotten me back into the hobby and I appreciate it.
When you said "absolute boss" I subbed. Love the style
Primarchs: lets go be badasses
Malcador: hold my beer
Brilliantly done. I could literally see the whole scene playing out. Outstanding.
“Hey Malc where’s dad”
“Elsewheerrrre”
“But actually wher-“
“Elsewheeeeeeeeeerrrrrrre”
*HORUS CONFRONTS MALCADOR*
I feel like Malcador never really trusted the primarchs and despised their bickering.
Your narration is amazing! The music you use in the background compliments your voice perfectly! The only thing i would do differently is have a slight artistic pause from when you shift between your commentary and from the actual written word. ALSO PLEASE DO MORE OF THIS STUFF! May i suggest Dante - when he goes to the final test with the chaplain.
I‘m glad that I found your channel. These lore bits and fluff is what I love the most about 40k. Keep up the great work, brother. *sign of Aquila*
Your reading gives my chills!
Hell yes man this was epic knew Malcador wasn’t no weakling
You did an excellent job on this one. Loving uncle malcador
Great to see your channel grow so quickly Rho, people obviously like what you do. Keep them coming pal.
I have recently subscribed. I like the detailed points that you make in your videos, the questions you ask. From everything I've read Malcador is a straight-up G. And this is a great example of it. And you have done a great job of bringing that to light.
No primarch can best Malcador. He said i can unmake you here and now...
One of the few that can hold truth to those words.
he lacks the reaction time to do anything if a primarch decides to kill him. he is a psyker and still has human reaction times, an OLD humans reaction times.
Magnus could break him with barely any effort I would say
@@ADRooney1 Bis mind would likely make up for that. He would just No if they were going to strike him. Also he can take a hit as he was backhanded by Lorgar and just brushed it off. Magnus is the only one who’d have a chance against him.
Amazing video bro, I love anything about malcador. Keep up the good work
It is amazing that so many people see this as a badass moment for Malcador when this is basically the moment that gives Horus the most fuel for the heresy.
It is a badass moment for him and he was just executing the will of the Emperor.
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Good old Wolf Lord Rho producing AAA+ content with a sore throat & all.
Really love your channel & clips pal, like just the style of narration and level opinion breakdowns, the effort is appreciated!
Nice work man it shows in your clips, honestly this is really decent quality listening appropriate for both 40k lore wizards or first timers alike!!.
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"Ambitious, dishonest men" huh takes one to know one I guess.
Im surprised he got named warmaster after this.
Love the videos you put out dude, the passion really comes through in your narration!
I just realized that this is regarding one of the missing primarchs.
Loved listening to the Warmaster get put in his place here like a petulant child
I like to think that Malcador was the real Emperor and Goldenboy is just the prototype Primarch and the figurehead for his Imperium.
The emperor is a human. www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8ra59x/perturabo_the_hammer_of_olympia_perturabo_is/
Or perturabo at least has a strange kind of warp vision that allows him to see a human version of the emperor. So perhaps he was born human and performed something like what he did wiht the primarchs to enhance himself, or his soul is human. But I'm not sure if Perturabo viewed his brother Primarchs the same way. But he appeared human size to primarch Perturabo.
@@cybertater5236 In Master of Mankind it is made painfully obvious that everyone perceives the Emperor differently - including some that are deluding themselves to be perceiving his "true" form (like Custodians think they are doing - it is shown within a span of a couple of sentences that Emps can appear differently to them as well). All of this is also post-Molech, so take it as you will.
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RHO you’re an absolute beast!! This is what got me hooked on the hobby
Lucky a found this channel, really nice videos, keep up the good work.
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7:08 "When my father hears of this..." Malfoy is that you?
I'm about to go to bed, wolf lord rho, you have been a godemporersend. You're passion and incredible relaxing voice has transformed 40k lore to me. It helps me drift to sleep, and working early it helps me wake up with terribly interesting stories told with energy and honest commentary. Thank you sir.