One important thing to consider with Misty and Brock is that in Japan, they were released in theme decks. So they were designed around their specific decks and not really to be viable in general play.
It's more mechanically similar to Protean than anything else. Aesthetics wise though, yea for sure, that's a type-changing Pokémon made of crystal alright.
I had unbalanced my sleep with an iffy nap, but thanks to this, I fell asleep, rebalanced my sleep schedule....and completely missed everything after the Legends section lmao Thank you!
Seems like they were conceptualized to function in dual energy decks with one move heavily favored over the other with the type-switching ability functioning for defensive coverage. For me, it's the high retreat costs that seal the deal for me. It makes the whole multitype pivot approach way too risky. The other possibility is that they were designed as a small pivot option for mostly colorless decks.
people always say crystal lugia is kind of bad, but I can think of several use cases for it and all of them are actually awful situations and niche use cases because those decks, to my knowledge, only exist in the expanded format.
The all night party stadium sounds fun with some of the cards throughout pokemon tcg history like that one Slaking card that hits really hard in exchange for falling asleep after attacking, but I'm guessing they were just never in standard together or something.
The Crystal mechanic would have worked better if these pokemon had a powerful colorless attack and the ability to declare the attack type based on the attached energy, once per turn. This keeps the flavor and makes them viable, it also lets them slot into other decks or add coverage. Oh what could have been.
I have a newbie question, and I'm not sure where to look this up. At 41:43, there's a Golduck card shown. Does it do water damage because the card is water, or does it do psychic damage because the energy needed is psychic?
Ngl, I don't think that it's fair when you say stuff like, "To understand why this attack/ability is bad, here's a modern card for comparison." Like, by _any_ metric, modern cards are going to be better than older cards. Not really fair to pin a card from the 90's against one from 2020 to make a point. It would be better if you compared it to good cards _from the same set,_ or at least cards from around the same time, with similar attacks/numbers.
What specific card are you talking about? Because he almost always compared two cards from the same era. The only card i can think of is Marowak and, to be fair, that Call for Family was terrible even back then.
No mention of Cloyster for the classic sets? It was far and beyond the worst final stage evolution: 1 of only 2 evolutions (including mid-stage even!) in the first 3 sets that has only a measiy 50 HP, the other being Haunter which is mid-stage and has the Transparancy Pokemon Power which is the reason it was given so little HP unlike Closyter which has no excuse. Cloyster's attacks are also pathetic: for 2 energy each (both water, no colorless allowed) it either flips 2 coins for 30 damage each which is an average damage output of 30 (just use Seaking then which has 70 HP and allows a colorless, and nobody even uses Seaking), or flips a coin to decide between nothing at all or 30 damage + paralysis, which on average is 15 damage + 50/50 paralysis: there's basic Pikachu that have 60 HP and for 2 energy deal 20 damage flat + the 50/50 paralysis. It even has a bad retreat cost at 2, and evolved from 1 of the worst basic Pokemon Shellder. I really wonder what was going on there when they created Fossil Cloyster, because it almost feels personal what they did to the poor thing, like someone stepped on a shell and cut their foot open and decided to unleash all that pent-up anger on the Cloyster card.
Hehe, nice. I was thinking someone copied the duel logs, but actually what I believe happened is that DuelLogs started playing TCG pocket and started liking the game
Ok so i looked into the e-reader format, and turns out they aren’t all types in your hand and they don’t check at point of resolution just activation, so you can attach a rainbow energy to the birds
I got the GBC and Pokémon yellow at exactly the same time in 2000, and from there I was hooked on Pokémon - agree with your thoughts on how the game created a synergy between the games and anime.
Literally what’s it matter? I’d argue that it’s actually more annoying seeing fans complaining all about “**sniff** This guy mispronounced the name of my fictional creature” This happens all the time in media. Get over yourself.
Why are we pretending Crystal crobat needs 4 energy to attack when it really doesn't? You don't need to use the first attack if it doesn't suit your deck or your energy, you could run it in a psychic and grass deck and have it work just fine. Or, in a fire and grass deck for the first attack. Many decks other than grass decks ran that scyther in the early days because it was a really strong basic with free retreat.
@@ich3730 and on some of the "best Pokemon cards" videos there are cards where you don't use both attacks. Or those with absolutely Terrible attacks but you only use it for the poke power. Are these bad cards because "You're not using everything about the card, therefore it sucks!"
Well its first attack isnt good for a stage 2 and its second attack isnt doing it any favors. So your point doesnt stand reguardless. Edit: Wait, crobat or scyther?
@CirnoFairy The bigest problem with crobat is that it's a stage 2 and both attacks are not good, at all. The energy requirements are way to steep for the effects of the attack, the first one, for example, deals 20 damage with a 50/50 chance of statusing the opponent with burn and poison. Poison is alright but doesn't do enough damage on it's own and burn is terrible status condition. The second attack is 4 coinflips and then 20 damage for each heads. One in sixteen times you would be able to knock out an opposing Crobat and one in eighth times you could deal 60 damage. Crobot is stage 2 and for a stage 2, these attacks wouldn't even be that good if they didn't have the terrible energy requirments. The fact that it can only really use one of it's attacks is only the cherry ontop.
@@Justntelleon I never said Crystal crobat is good or competitive, just that its attacks don't cost 4 energy. It's like if I made an early set jynx, 1 water energy for 20 damage and 3 psychic energy for 50 damage. Does that mean this hypothetical jynx needs 4 energy to attack with psychic? No, it just means you can splash it in a water deck and still have a 1 energy 20 damage attack, or use it in a psychic deck, or, use it in a water psychic hybrid.
@@schedar_cassiopeia I don't know why you think that, it wouldn't. The TCG already has dug a hole for itself by being unable to handle dual typing, and it's not because Pokemon can have attacks with different type energy costs.
I am still awake. With Pocket out now, I've finally taken an interest in learning the card game.
I wish you good travels in Pokeland!
Legend Lugia is one of the coolest card arts I've ever seen even if it is a bad card
you cant just drop this here without a timestamp
@TheStyler2710
00:15:27
Idk if that works but 15 mins and 27 seconds
One important thing to consider with Misty and Brock is that in Japan, they were released in theme decks. So they were designed around their specific decks and not really to be viable in general play.
The crystal pokémon mechanic sounds similar to the Tera mechanic is Gen 9
Delta species were kinda like that too
It's more mechanically similar to Protean than anything else. Aesthetics wise though, yea for sure, that's a type-changing Pokémon made of crystal alright.
Yes it’s literally just tera But really really bad lol where as Tera is the best and most balanced gimmick released so far
Isn't it just the protean ability?
@gageczajkowski7755 Calling tera the most balanced gimmick so far is craaaazy. Next to Dmax, it is by far the *least* balanced.
I had unbalanced my sleep with an iffy nap, but thanks to this, I fell asleep, rebalanced my sleep schedule....and completely missed everything after the Legends section lmao
Thank you!
Seems like they were conceptualized to function in dual energy decks with one move heavily favored over the other with the type-switching ability functioning for defensive coverage. For me, it's the high retreat costs that seal the deal for me. It makes the whole multitype pivot approach way too risky. The other possibility is that they were designed as a small pivot option for mostly colorless decks.
when I was a kid I thought the crystal pokemon cards a few of my friends had were fake lol
The Crystal Pokémon and amazing rare cards seem very reminiscent of the upcoming stellar Pokémon in stellar crown/miracle
Sadly those don't look great so far either...
people always say crystal lugia is kind of bad, but I can think of several use cases for it and all of them are actually awful situations and niche use cases because those decks, to my knowledge, only exist in the expanded format.
The way he pronounces some of these cards is driving me crazy.
Hey man some of these names be crazy be lenient
He says Raikou perfectly though! Very rare to see that.
The all night party stadium sounds fun with some of the cards throughout pokemon tcg history like that one Slaking card that hits really hard in exchange for falling asleep after attacking, but I'm guessing they were just never in standard together or something.
I love to fall free to use this for my nap times
The Crystal mechanic would have worked better if these pokemon had a powerful colorless attack and the ability to declare the attack type based on the attached energy, once per turn.
This keeps the flavor and makes them viable, it also lets them slot into other decks or add coverage. Oh what could have been.
30:55 Dugtrio was an all-star in the GBC game specifically because Slash doing 80 usually swept the opponent's bench and Hitmonchan was a pain to get.
So you're saying it's a bad idea to fall asleep to these things. Got it.
I have a newbie question, and I'm not sure where to look this up.
At 41:43, there's a Golduck card shown.
Does it do water damage because the card is water, or does it do psychic damage because the energy needed is psychic?
The attack is always the type of the Pokemon, not the energies attached. Hope this helps
@@estieramiefunny how the mainline games are the exact opposite
Man, duel logs has been on all my hobbies from wow to ygo and now Pokemon 😂. Keep up the good top videos!
Ngl, I don't think that it's fair when you say stuff like, "To understand why this attack/ability is bad, here's a modern card for comparison." Like, by _any_ metric, modern cards are going to be better than older cards. Not really fair to pin a card from the 90's against one from 2020 to make a point. It would be better if you compared it to good cards _from the same set,_ or at least cards from around the same time, with similar attacks/numbers.
What specific card are you talking about? Because he almost always compared two cards from the same era. The only card i can think of is Marowak and, to be fair, that Call for Family was terrible even back then.
No mention of Cloyster for the classic sets? It was far and beyond the worst final stage evolution: 1 of only 2 evolutions (including mid-stage even!) in the first 3 sets that has only a measiy 50 HP, the other being Haunter which is mid-stage and has the Transparancy Pokemon Power which is the reason it was given so little HP unlike Closyter which has no excuse. Cloyster's attacks are also pathetic: for 2 energy each (both water, no colorless allowed) it either flips 2 coins for 30 damage each which is an average damage output of 30 (just use Seaking then which has 70 HP and allows a colorless, and nobody even uses Seaking), or flips a coin to decide between nothing at all or 30 damage + paralysis, which on average is 15 damage + 50/50 paralysis: there's basic Pikachu that have 60 HP and for 2 energy deal 20 damage flat + the 50/50 paralysis. It even has a bad retreat cost at 2, and evolved from 1 of the worst basic Pokemon Shellder.
I really wonder what was going on there when they created Fossil Cloyster, because it almost feels personal what they did to the poor thing, like someone stepped on a shell and cut their foot open and decided to unleash all that pent-up anger on the Cloyster card.
Hehe, nice.
I was thinking someone copied the duel logs, but actually what I believe happened is that DuelLogs started playing TCG pocket and started liking the game
Nah, some of these videos predate the app.
He wanted to diversify his content.
Gotta remember he has writers for these
The moment I saw the vileplume I was like 'oh god no'
I didn’t know you had a Pokémon channel too! I’ve watched your mtg stuff for at least 2 years
Crystal nidoking's pokebody types are grass, electric, fire
It's attack types are grass, electric, fighting
Whoops
I've actually fallen asleep to this video. Congrats, I quess
5:43 that is not a charazard that is a man in a bad charazard costume.
Ok so i looked into the e-reader format, and turns out they aren’t all types in your hand and they don’t check at point of resolution just activation, so you can attach a rainbow energy to the birds
I refuse to believe "Sordward and Shielbert" are real characters that real humans looked at and said "Yeah that looks great, ship it"
Some of those Shining Pokemon could be useful in GLC format as they don't have a rulebox albeit to a lesser degree..
I don't even play the TCG and I could immediately tell from the energy cost of the Crystal Pokemon's attacks that they were absolutely awful.
I got the GBC and Pokémon yellow at exactly the same time in 2000, and from there I was hooked on Pokémon - agree with your thoughts on how the game created a synergy between the games and anime.
Remind me again, what does Welder do?
Well I am feeling good about my tcg design because I could spot most of these issues immediately
I knew I recognized your voice from the wow videos
1:18:49 pneumonia from scarlet and violet
HOW DOES A DUGTRIO SLASH???
Probably makes the ground quake fast enough to have rocks flung & slash at high speed I guess 😭
Moles have claws, dugtrio probably does somewhere under the surface to help it dig
I'm sick rn and didn't plan to sleep but I did end up sleeping, I caught most of the video but the 2nd to last section is a blur
I love your channel. 10/10.
Hiru ur my favorite youtuber
1:44:16 huh? but it does say once per turn.
kruryem? Zebstreeka? Rayqueza? are you serious?
Yes
Literally what’s it matter? I’d argue that it’s actually more annoying seeing fans complaining all about “**sniff** This guy mispronounced the name of my fictional creature”
This happens all the time in media. Get over yourself.
49:55 ?? Lance was the first card on the list bro? Lol
1:22 almost like stellar exs lol
Brock's Training is also useless in Pokemon TCG Pocket >.>
Please spotify
So logs pokemon when im thinking a psychic dark type!
so can be as for when going are do but!
Why are we pretending Crystal crobat needs 4 energy to attack when it really doesn't? You don't need to use the first attack if it doesn't suit your deck or your energy, you could run it in a psychic and grass deck and have it work just fine. Or, in a fire and grass deck for the first attack. Many decks other than grass decks ran that scyther in the early days because it was a really strong basic with free retreat.
"You dont need to use 50% of this cards ability" is not the slam dunk argument for playability you think it is...
@@ich3730 and on some of the "best Pokemon cards" videos there are cards where you don't use both attacks. Or those with absolutely Terrible attacks but you only use it for the poke power. Are these bad cards because "You're not using everything about the card, therefore it sucks!"
Well its first attack isnt good for a stage 2 and its second attack isnt doing it any favors. So your point doesnt stand reguardless.
Edit: Wait, crobat or scyther?
@CirnoFairy
The bigest problem with crobat is that it's a stage 2 and both attacks are not good, at all. The energy requirements are way to steep for the effects of the attack, the first one, for example, deals 20 damage with a 50/50 chance of statusing the opponent with burn and poison. Poison is alright but doesn't do enough damage on it's own and burn is terrible status condition. The second attack is 4 coinflips and then 20 damage for each heads. One in sixteen times you would be able to knock out an opposing Crobat and one in eighth times you could deal 60 damage.
Crobot is stage 2 and for a stage 2, these attacks wouldn't even be that good if they didn't have the terrible energy requirments.
The fact that it can only really use one of it's attacks is only the cherry ontop.
@@Justntelleon I never said Crystal crobat is good or competitive, just that its attacks don't cost 4 energy. It's like if I made an early set jynx, 1 water energy for 20 damage and 3 psychic energy for 50 damage. Does that mean this hypothetical jynx needs 4 energy to attack with psychic? No, it just means you can splash it in a water deck and still have a 1 energy 20 damage attack, or use it in a psychic deck, or, use it in a water psychic hybrid.
I don't understand the difference between a gx, an ex, and a v.
do you mispronounce things on purpose, i swear you mispronounce the same names multiple different ways
He uses AI voice on some videos
@@djohms6577 oh gross
Yeah. A lot of UA-camrs do this to get people to comment.
Yeah its a little thing content creators do, leads to comments
9:27 *its
its interesting to hear how incorrectly you say some of the names
so crystal pokemon = tera pokemon got it
crystal s the og tera type that's col at least
40:15
Forget all these mechanics, the TCG has major issues with typing.
Type in the tcg is completely different from type in the video game
@marvalice3455 Yes, it is. Anyway, forget all these mechanics, the TCG has major issues with typing.
@@misteral9045i think it’s because if all 16 types existed in the tcg that would be a nightmare to do things like build energy around
@@schedar_cassiopeia I don't know why you think that, it wouldn't. The TCG already has dug a hole for itself by being unable to handle dual typing, and it's not because Pokemon can have attacks with different type energy costs.
It really bugs me that Lugia Legend is a Water type when Lugia is a Psychic/Flying and not Water or Ice.
Nothing in this came from the AI voice arc right?
Don't get me wrong, riley is REALLY bad, but he definitely isn't the worst supporter card of all time