Tipping Culture enters Korea, is it acceptable? | Korean Pizza Club | EP.16
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Korea might be pro-America on almost all matters, except maybe 3 things: Drugs, Guns, and TIPPING. American tipping culture has been getting out of control in the United States, where the standard has become 20-25%, according to several news sources and Americans. Ironically, the American tipping culture has been slowly infiltrating the Korean society. And we're not talking about small store owners putting up tip jars or recommending tips to their servers. The biggest tech conglomerate of South Korea, Kakao Corp. has introduced the tipping system to it's taxi services, similar to Uber. This has faced immediate backlash and rage from the Korean public. In today's podcast episode of Korean Pizza Club, we introduce the history of tipping in Korea, Korean viewpoints on tipping, and the panels Kelsey the Korean, Anna Lee, and Soobeanie share their thoughts about tipping culture and whether it will be adopted by the Korean society eventually. What are your thoughts about American tipping culture, and what is the situation related to tipping in your country?
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Tipping should be optional. Have a mandatory minimum wage that make one's suited to live.
Exactly.
Problem is your cost to eat out will skyrocket. Restaurants aren’t going to reduce their profits to pay their workers. They will increase the meal prices.
@@LG-rw6zf yeah, after that possibly there is less business so the restaurant gets rid of many servers and replaces them with automation (streamlined order processes, robot servers, etc.).
@@ssibal.inu1 So true. Thing is they will stay raise the prices to pay for the technology. Here in the US, grocery stores are practically self-checkout. Prices went up, not down.
@@LG-rw6zf you meal cost should involve that. Dining out is expensive and knowing what you pay for beforehand should be the norm. This mandatory tipping is anti consumer, guilt tripping and non transparent.
As a european, the us tipping culture stress me OUT. Dont import that bs to korea
korea is a vassal state of the usa though haha
I love how American business owners are getting away with not paying their workers a living wage and now have passed the pressure to consumers.
restaurant profit margins are already low. if that were to happen, i think some restaurant owners would respond by firing most of the wait staff and replacing them with streamlined order processes, AI/chat gpt, kitchen automation, robot servers, etc.
With the (cheap) labor shortage, most service jobs are paying above minimum wage before tips in my city right now. There's a nice place that pays $30/hr. With how high tipping has been lately too, I doubt service workers want to work at a place that doesn't accept tips. Someone I knew in was making $18/hr before tips while in high school.
American business owner here. Very true and 😊 😃 😅
@@ssibal.inu1 they will anyways do that since it will become cheaper anyways;
The US is ridiculous.
Entitlement is a huge issue in US. I’m not just talking about the staff. I’m talking about the owners who don’t want to pay their staff so they want the customer to pay for everything.
Sometimes employees are desperate enough to be demanding though. Take the viral video where a DoorDash delivery guy cursed out a patron for giving 25% on a $20 purchase (that's a $5 tip). A 25% is fair for the purchase amount. What was the lady supposed to do, shell out a 50% tip for a $20 pizza? The US is so messed up.
It’s a systemic problem… it’s not the owners that can decide…
@@Shelbzz it’s definitely both. Some owners and the staff have an insane sense of entitlement to a high tip despite mediocre food and service.
@@natedang8880 owners can pay higher minimum wages vs doing the incentive laden tip service. Waitering is not supposed to be a career job that gives you an upper middle class lifestyle.
@@natedang8880 the owners can def decide lmfao they're the ones hiring and paying the workers. thats why they said in some korean restaurants in the us they dont do tipping
I'm an American living in Korea and got my first "would you like to tip your driver?" message from KakaoT last week. I was shocked. Tipping culture is one of the things I was so glad to leave behind 😭 I really hope it doesn't become widespread 😭
Tipping history in America shows that it started because owners didn't pay their employees a decent living wage in the first place even if by law they should be paying a minimum wage. Even Americans shouldn't tolerate tipping, but most don't even realize what it stems from which is business exploitation of the employees and America is so bad at exploitation. If businesses paid their employees a decent living wage, tipping would be completely unnecessary, no matter the industry.
I live in America and I've worked as a server before (in college) and now I regularly tip servers because I know how little they get paid. I also wish they would just pay them a living wage and get rid of tipping. It's soooo expensive here already 😩
I understand your heart, but it is not the customers responsibility. It is the company’s responsibility to pay the employees. The customer is already paying the company for their food and for the service but the company is pocketing the money that should be going to the employees and customers should not be the ones having to pay extra because of it.
@@jennifervaughn1541 yeah, that's why I said I wish they would pay the employees a living wage instead ❤️
Yeah, even tho im against tipping, when you think of the servers, eventually you open your wallet :( The wage should definitely be higher, from what I'm seeing and reading.
@@koreanpizzaclub no guarantee the server actually ultimately receives the tip
Whats so good about being a server that makes you wanna work there despite being paid less than minimum wg?
I’m not gonna lie, I came to the comments to see the Americans opinions on this. I’m Brazilian, have been going to the US since I was a child. Tips always bothered me, last year when I went to Vegas to see BTS, I was shocked with the counter services asking for tips, also the starting point in the tablets being so high, sometimes people ask for tips BEFORE servicing you. What?? And what happens if you don’t tip? Are they going to spit in my coffee? Craziness all around. When my vacation time came in October I decided to go to Italy, this year will be Japan. I’m not going back to US anytime soon (and Canada got infected with the tipping virus too).
FRL tipping itself just makes you not want to visit the US! haha
If you don't tip, they might not spit in your coffee, but you'd be stamped immediately as "cheap" and they won't be friendly to you anymore. I strongly believe "friendliness" should be part of the job and not for monetary gains.
@@koreanpizzaclub Absolutely! 😆 It makes a difference in a travel budget for sure. Specially when you come from a Country that has weaker currency. Brazilian money is almost 5 to 1 dollar. And I think you guys can relate: when you come from a place that doesn’t have this costume, you fell explored, ad to that the constant worrying about should I tip here? When? How much? It just makes your vacation stressful and expensive. So many other great places to visit without that added annoyance…
@@heidig.5053 That’s so backwards. It’s hard for foreigners to understand this guys. Politeness and niceness should be part of the job of servicing people. Not something you need to buy with tips.
Nice! Do many beautiful countries out there, why choose the us??
Im in South Africa, and even though we do tip here, it's NOT by force.
The tipping culture in America is CRAZY. From Watching it as an African, these servers and delivery people seem entitled to people's money. They throw tantrums when they don't get tips. It's crazy.
The customer's responsibility is to pay for the food. Wages should be paid for by the business owner but for some reason the business owners get off easy and the customers get the flack for not tipping.
Businesses need to start paying livable wages.
Another great episode guys👍🏾❤️
Tipping is not by force or mandatory in America either. These people don’t know what they’re talking about. They don’t live in America.
Not by force but definitely peer pressure.
Only certain restaurants (sit down types) include an 18% tip to your meal when there is a party of 6 or more. Most everything else is optional.
My solution: stop going to those restaurants that force include a tip when the party is big and NEVER use those delivery services where people expect tips (including uber). Luckily, I live in a place where owning a car is both necessary and easy (easy parking, decent traffic, etc). I'll pick up my own darn takeout and tip myself lol.
@@kimleemoonExactly! The only service people that really depend on tips are waiters, car washers, food delivery people. Everyone else gets the minimum wages or higher and you have a choice not to tip them. Like anywhere with a tip jar, I say no.
Tipping in the US was at 15% for a very long time. The only reason it went up to 20% was because the restaurant business association lobbied to increase the tipping rate to 20% so they wouldn’t have to pay their staff as much.
One argument for the tipping culture is the improved customer service since the staff are essentially their own business. I would prefer to limit tips to 10% max.
Yes. In Brazil there’s a standard 10% tip that comes with the bill, there’s no getting out of it. Anything extra is only given in VERY VERY exceptional situations, when you have a truly magical moment. It’s not expected at all.
I'm American and when I used to waitress/bartend, I was paid below minimum wage. The employers logic is if the service is good and you hustle that the tips will balance out your pay. However some bartending places make you share tips so then you have to work extra hard because now you're compensating for those that don't work as hard and still get an equal cut. It's stupid, and the whole tipping culture is getting outta control here. They really just need to pay on base line wage across the board.
Tipping should not be mandatory/ forced, manipulated or gaslighted in any way. Fear of being judged is ego so let go of ego and societal pressure and only tip, when you wish to.
but sometimes the workers mess with your order if you comeback to the same place and they remember you didnt tip (like literally spitting in your coffe). in the us the responsability is put in the costumer, not the owner so you're seen as bad person if you dont tip
@golbinnom and sometimes servers or cooks will mess with your food regardless because they are complete scumbags, whether you tipped or not.
I knew a boy in high school who admitted to peeing in the pizza dough of the pizza place he worked at... just because he could.
You never know what people do or are going to do to your food.
@@krystavi05 EWWW thats seriously sooo disgusting, i dont know how people can do that without feeling guilty. id rather just cook at home damn..
It's so hard to let go of ego and societal pressure as an 'I' tho~ :(
@@koreanpizzaclub Ego is fear and Fear is ego. Both are low vibe devil energy. Fear of being judged, what people will say, how people will think and view you. Let go of those fears, what other people think or say doesn’t matter coz it doesn’t define who you are.
In the UK where you have those self-service machines in supermarkets/stores, those machines prompt you to tip when you buy groceries. who tf am I tipping? its a self service machine my dude I never even saw another human.
Lol
Wow that's on a different level!
That's ridiculous! that you tip a chunk of metal!
They normally ask you if you want to round the amount and leave some change for the charity. That’s where it goes.
Let's be honest, using self service machines means that you're paying the shop to do someone's job!
Tipping is for exceptional service. Having a robot go beep is not exceptional service.
Greetings from Munich, Germany! Glad you covered this topic because tipping stresses me out. In Germany, it's not mandatory to tip. If people tip, it's about 3 to max. 6%. But in the States, it's become out of hand. Just as David said, this also happened to me in the States. Once I didn't tip because the waiter was rude. And he actually ran after me and asked, "Did I do something wrong?" For me tipping SHOULD BE something above and extra. It's to motive good service. If it's become mandatory, tip should just be incorporated in the price, right?
You did the right thing with that server. I have a friend who starts with a tip in mind. Every time that server messes up or is rude, she deducts from the tip (in her head). Tipping used to be called gratuity - as in graciousness, a gift freely given, not something by force. I hate what it's become in the US.
Didn't know they tip in Germany! Interesting! Oh, and yeah for sure if the server is rude, then why would they expect you to tip!
@@koreanpizzaclub As a rule, Germans are pretty tight with their money so if they tip, most people will round it up to the nearest whole number for small purchases/services, like say under 5 euros bill, some will add one euro on top of it for bills over 10 euros and the most generous will add up to 5 euros if they eat out with several companions and they order a lot. If the server is rude or the food is lacking, you will politely let them know in which case they can forget about the tip.
10% tips is common sense in germany&france. You just don't tip if the server is really unkind. I worked as a server when i was doing school&afterwards. It was very rare not to get 10%. If you give les you will appear as a person who is not very generous and not friendly.
@@flyingjanaderbuntewahnsinn1376 Oh, really? Perhaps I'm not current with the tipping norm, but my husband and I rarely tip over 5 to 6%. Still, even the restaurants that we frequent, the servers are never cross with us or "unfriendly" because of it.
I am so glad about this subject. Tipping cultural sucks. I am American and tipping cultural became insane during the pandemic because the delivery drivers had to work outside. Then when places started started to open up companies started ask the public to pay extra for service workers. Not only that but theses companies pool the tips and split among the servers. Even if a server sucks.
As an NYER I only tip if service is good. Before and after pandemic. I also researched restaurants and if tipping is included on the receipt I avoid like the plagued. Also if service is bad to let the server know you would tip a penny. So the server knows you have money be were not happy
Good for you! Workers EXPECT tip these days and practically "priced in" in their wages. And that's how employers get people to work at minimum wage!
I would like to speak on behalf of Middle East countries, and Arab Countries especially. TIPPING is optional. You are never pressured to give tips. You can eat at any restaurant, whether cheap or an expensive one and give no tips. It’s totally fine. But most restaurants do have like small tipping cups right there in the cashier, and it’s up to you if you want to put some tip or not. And the menu price is exactly the final price.
American, and am soooo done with tipping. Overkill to the max. Can no longer afford services or eating out because of tipping being expected 😡🤬
I feel you :(
I totally agree with you David! I live in America (Hawaii) and I think tipping culture is getting out of hand! The cost of living in paradise is already super high and to feel pressured into tipping someone just because it’s suggested is ridiculous!
I’ve heard about how hard the life of hawaiian is. People there have to work at least 2 jobs to afford their cost of living beacuse the housing prices are so expensive. I went on a vacation there in april and I felt people there are so nice and heart warming even tho they have to work for long hours
Gotta extract every penny from the tourists
@@mino4965are native hawaiians ok, are they getting pushed out or not?
@GODjihyo99 if the government keeps manufacturing these fires, nobody will be living in Hawaii.
Minimum wage in Korea is 9,620 KRW (2023) = 7.37 USD (Aug, 23)
😳 in Seoul too? 😨😰
people need to just upskill if they don't want to be poor
so same as in spain and we still dont tip
Tipping is out of control in the US. I feel like it is being forced upon us despite the service and that sucks. When asked at grocer for charity i say no i donate to my own charitys independently. The tipping culture got weird after Covid, now i see it everywhere.
I have never tipped any hotel for room services here in America, if you look at your itemized receipt the majority will tell you it’s included and the ones that don’t it has the option to add room services and it’s usually extra.
Phew, then maybe I didn't have to tip the cleaner. Now I feel a little better!
I believe it’s absolutely standard to tip the cleaning crew at motels, I would think Hotels would be the same.
The tip in hotels is for the cleaning crew. But you aren’t guaranteed the same cleaning crew every day, if you’re staying multiple days, so generally it’s recommended to leave a tip on days you have housecleaning come in.
Tipping culture is getting out of control now in the US.
So many services are adding a feature where they ask you if you want to leave a tip.
If they just raised minimum wage, tips wouldn’t be necessary.
Rounding up is also popular in grocery stores.
They have an option where you can round up your purchase and the money goes to charity.
People don’t seem to feel as pressured when it comes to rounding up their purchase, compared to tipping.
Such a complicated problem! Rounding up is something new to me, but that sounds very unfair!
I don’t pay for random charities - I pay for charities I already want to give money to.
While I think that Korea could follow America's example in some areas, in this aspect, please keep things how they are.
All of Korea agrees with you!
@@koreanpizzaclub I hate tip culture. I was literally asked to tip at a freaking drive thru...I said no. I hope that they didn't spit in my food.
Example? What kind of example could you get from that horrible place?
Agree!!!!
12:50 sadly in the UK it's becoming more and more common to include an "optional" service charge of like 12% on the bill. This is basically a semi mandatory tip. It's included without mention. It means that if you don't want to tip you need to specifically ask for it to be removed. That means they have to go away and print a fresh bill. Naturally most people find this too awkward so they just get away with it. It's very annoying.
Thanks for sharing what it's like in the UK! Yikes tho!
I’m American and I don’t agree with tipping. I think it should be optional. Now they include it in the total of your meal and they still expect you to tip extra. The problem also is that America is greedy. Everything has to be extravagant from food to homes to groceries. It’s insanely expensive here in America.
There’s tipping culture in Canada too. I don’t usually cook when I’m travelling but when I was travelling in Canada (BC and Alberta), I did because I just find it so ridiculous to be paying an additional 20-25% at least for tips ON TOP of the TAXED amount.
As an older American, I am getting used to clicking on No Tip. It doesn’t bother me anymore. I have bills to pay. Corporate fat cats are making us little people fight over the crumbs. Not going to do it.
but think of all the single moms, middle school dropouts, and unemployed actors who rely on your tips to buy their vape pods
Same. Tipping is optional and meant to show gratitude for good service. I don’t feel shamed into it by a stupid kiosk / iPad. What annoys me is if the employee then makes a comment about it as if I OWE them a certain amount. Such entitlement… 😑
As an American, US tipping culture is crazy. If a restaurant can’t afford to pay their employees a living wage, how is it acceptable to push the cost down to the customer.
“how do people live in america”
not well, baby. not well 😭
i would guess most people rarely eat out. they just cook their salt and pepper seasoned food at home
AMEN! It’s the worst
God Bless America
Ikr?!
As an American, I think restaurants should adjust the prices on their menu to account for enough money to pay their staff a wage that is comparable to the level of service they are providing to customers. Why do restaurants owners 1) pay less than fair wages 2) expect patrons to bridge the gap. Pay the employees what they deserve. I am willing to see a higher dollar amount on the menu (that includes tip) to avoid having to calculate an additional amount that I will have to add in after the bill.
Tipping does not up the service quality. It's American and that sense of entitlement is STRONG
I live in Florida and it's crazy how minimum wage is 8 dollars an hour but lunch is 20+ dollars. Make it make since please 🙃
Minimum wage in New York is $15 right now.
@@upthedown1 well Florida is the joke of all states 🥴
Florida!
@@koreanpizzaclub sadly i live in a state that is a laughing stock compare to other states 🤦🏽♀️
I'm from CA and just visited Seoul this summer. It was so relaxing not worrying about tipping while on vacation. It was against my nature and I kept confirming with my husband that we're not offending the drivers and servers by not tipping 😂
Since the use of the electronic pay options on the store ipads, the request for tips on everything including drinks etc has gotten ridiculous. I am ok with tipping on restaurant service because we're used to it. We know that waitstaff struggle with basic wages in proportion to cost of living in US.
Also, Americans are used to small talk from our servers. It's the American way :) When we travel and don't experience friendly service, we appreciate the cultural difference even if we're not used to it. We don't take offense.
Restaurant owners taking from the tip jar and not paying minimum wage is not normal or legal! If a business is operating legally they cannot do that. But yes, we do tip hotel housekeeping.
At this point, I am getting used to selecting the "no tip" option on drinks. It pains me to hear that David had such a lousy eating vacation in the OC! There's so much good food in the OC and you were eating frozen burritos 😭
Welcome to the land of NO TIPS!
I am from CA too. (Annnd a little jealous you got to visit Korea😉) I agree with everything you’ve said!
@@karenbarlow9431 It was wonderful. So much fun, delicious food, and a lively city with more to discover (hopefully another trip someday). I hope you get a chance to visit too!
Minimum wage is less than $8 in a lot of states. A lot of states have a minimum wage of $7.25. A waiters’s minimum wage can be as low as $2.13 but if they don’t make enough in tips to equal the regular minimum the restaurant is required to pay the waiter the rest. It really is a way for the restaurant to be more greedy and not have to pay their employees.
Born and raised in the U.S, i don't consider it a big deal as a customer. If i don't have the money to tip, I just don't go out. I got used to considering the tip and taxes when deciding if i have enough money to go out or not.
Very interesting!
Exactly
In Brazil there is a 10% tip that is already on the receipt. It's not mandatory and you can ask to exclude the 10% tip, but people only do that if the service is really bad
My family took a cab to my grandmother's house (Gangnam to Incheon) for around $50. It was sooo worth it. A comfortable 90 min drive vs 2 hour commute on public transportation where seats are not guaranteed. And when you divide the cost per person, it's fairly comparable, sometimes more affordable depending on how big your party is. And 1000% tipping culture is the US is bananas😱
19:30. Marijuana would be safer than alcohol currently is for Korea. The idea that it is a “gateway drug” is antiquated propaganda from the 1960s. I don’t partake in either, but statistically speaking, alcohol is much more dangerous.
Not just statistically but also biologically. Alcohol is one of few drugs where withdrawal symptoms when addicted can kill you.
@@eugenekim9961 and I don’t think last year’s Halloween stampede happens if people are chilling out in their apartments high on pot. Alcohol brings DUIs, alcohol poisoning, violence, assault, disorderly conduct, unwanted pregnancies, etc. People who smoke pot mostly just smell bad and are lazy.
The 'gateway' mentioned in the podcast was termed as in a gateway for importing and adopting the culture little by little, rather than the 'gateway theory' of marijuana users leveling up to stronger drugs. I know its not a gateway drug, but the mass majority of Koreans think it is, like it or not. And they don't care about the science(they also argue that particular researches cannot fully debunk it, and that human nature of curiosity and addiction is stronger than scientific results. Also point out that cultural factors in the studies are probably not weighed in as well). In general, Koreans just don't want ANY form of something in a 'harmful' category such as: drugs, firearms, tipping, etc. introduced to their country in the first place. (And then comes the BUT alcohol is way worse than weed~ there's already drug problems in Korea~.. same old circulating debate. But the truth is it's going to take a LONNNNNGGG time for Korea to accept marijuana)
Definitely a bad idea. Tipping took off because it allows business owners to pay their staff a sub-minimum wage. Very few other countries do this and they still have good restaurants and good service. I don't need "cheaper" food if I'm expected to tip 20% every single time anyway. It's a self defeating enterprise. Not to mention that it puts workers incomes at highly variable rates. Many servers swear by it because it can give them a decent (relative to other minimum wage jobs) income, but it's still not better than having proper minimum wage laws across the board. A minimum wage set by the states and pegged to inflation is the best option.
I just cane from Starbucks and bought a Carmel Frappuccino like $5 and the machine ask if i wanted to tip. Absolutely not. Tipping to me is optional and you have to earn. I tip out of gratitude but i don't like when places expect it. Also the fact companies who don't pay their employees enough so they rely on tips is so wrong in so many ways. So I hope Korea doesn't adopt tipping culture. We don't have the best practices just because were the US.
In all of the places, Starbucks? Hell no! haha
Here in Costa Rica (A small country from Latin America) tipping was a cultural thing, a moral thing and it eventually became a Law. When you’re eating out the bill already includes the tip. It isn’t a big amount, maybe like 5%
In my city, in Italy, the most common minimum wage part-time summer job is the waiter, the second one is being the guy who picks up tomatoes in the fields. One would be tipped and the other wouldn’t.
Secondly, every single person on this planet deserves to earn enough money to eat, buy an house and have a family, that was European culture, that’s why we pay taxes, we have free healthcare, we have payed vacations, maternity leave and all
I'm originally from the Netherlands and outside of Amsterdam, nobody tips, service workers are paid well. The tipping culture in North America went rabid during the Covid pandemic. Everyone was so concerned about restaurants surviving that they started "highly recommending 15 to 20 percent" as a tip for take out, nobody was dining in at this point. Restaurants rely on alcohol a lot but obviously you couldn't serve but some jurisdictions, like mine, allowed take out liquor but owners tried to get that loss back through tipping. The pandemic is over now and most experts say DO NOT TIP ON ANYTHING YOU DIDN"T TIP BEFORE. Why should you tip for a starbucks coffee that takes a few seconds to pour? DO NOT TIP FOR TAKE OUT! You are not getting service, you are picking up a product. Do we tip the workers at the factory who make our tv dinners? no, we pay for the product.
The US has major poverty issues with service workers but some make so much money, if you are a waiter in NY, you can make over 100k and a lot of it is cash so you don't claim the income or pay tax on it. Owners should pay their workers.
Personally, I pay for things online, it is easier to decline a tip online before you get there than in front of someone but these restaurants and businesses are relying on you being embarrassed to get extra money out of you for no service. Grocery stores always ask for a donation to charity but that is a tax write off for the stores who already don't pay taxes.
DO NOT TIP!!!
I’m in America, and one time I went through a drive thru to only purchase a gift card…. and the worker asked if I wanted to provide a tip!! Can you believe that?? Tipping in the US has been waaay out of control for a while now.
In some states, employers can pay as little as $2.13 an hour if you're a tipped worker. And it's just an ugly cycle of legitimizing that low a minimum wage because of customers tipping, and then customers tipping because we know that's where servers get their money. :( I care to tip for waiters and delivery drivers to make a decent take home pay, but I'm as unbothered an Anna when I get the tip options for take out. 😭
There are lots of restaurants that have no tipping and they don’t make you feel bad. Panera, chipotle, cava (restaurants that are small step above fast food). Also, eating out a lot is not good for you especially in America with giant portions. You can pick up an order if you really crave specific restaurant but don’t wanna tip 20%. You are still expected to tip pick up but it’s not as expensive. Also, just because they suggest 25% percent you don’t have to do that.
Yup, that's the way to do it in the US!! Hopefully David sees this before his trip.
Next time I am only going to these restaurants!
For me as an Indian its very shocking how eating out on a daily basis is so so normal in Korea coz in India its a thing either for special occasions or when u just could not cook. We might get some evening snacks or breakfast items but after that we are gonna have lunch or dinner which will be a home cooked meal
True takeouts are so common in Korea that's why online services for food or anything is just so into culture
I would say eating outside in Korea is very convenient and relatively affordable as long as you don't go to fancy restaurants. Especially for a one-person household, that can't afford to buy groceries in big bulks, sometimes eating out is even cheaper and gives you variety too! Same for delivery, but nowadays the delivery fee is very high, so many people just walk and do take-out to save the costs.
You do not want to get that tipping started in South Korea. put an end to it. I live in America and I will say that I hate tipping. And now they are wanting you to tip on just about anything . I will not tip on takeout.
Subway wanted $1 tip on a discounted $5.99 sub I bought today to pay "the sandwich artist", & I couldn't even get curb service. Please, make it make sense?!
Quentin Tarantino's first movie "Reservoir Dogs" has a scene in the beginning where the topic of tipping is discussed, why some people are for it and why some are against it. That movie came out in like 1990 or something, so it's been a hot topic issue for a while. At the end of the day, most people can't afford to tip.
A person of culture!
In the US, theres two types of minimum wage. As a waitress I used to make 2.25/hour. That was minimum for a tipped wage. In fact, the only reason they even pay that much is so the government can take taxes out. So the tips are really allllll we got. Honestly, if all food service workers were paid a desent, livable wage, you're looking at a $50 steak, so our income is basically by a "suggested donation." 😅😅😅Then we're all like "Please like me" without actually screaming it.
so interesting!! i actually just looked up the minimum wage in my country, and turns out it has one of the highest minimum wages in the world - $23.23 australian dollars/$15 USD an hour.
tipping culture isn’t prevalent at all in australia and VAT is included in all prices. if a coffee is $3, then it’s just $3. i never carry cash with me, or even a wallet because i can just pay using my phone anywhere.
some restaurants on their point-of-sale machines when going to pay after a sit-down meal do ask if you want to leave a tip, but honestly, i feel like that’s just more of the default settings of the machine than anything else. and when it comes to services, you don’t either, and you don’t need to tip drivers .
i feel like it’s also just aussie culture - i ain’t paying more than for what i’m getting tyvm hahaha. big culture shock when travelling overseas, like there’s apps to calculate tips? wild
I love 4 of you talking about all those controversial topics! It’s really making a good points!❤
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The us doesn’t have the tax included in the menu price. 😮 I literally hate it lol ㅋㅋㅋ
If you have a problem with tipping in the US blame the industry/business owners they're the ones not paying full wage to staff, it's just another way to turn the people getting shafted against each other while ignoring where the real money goes. The cost of living in cities like LA/NYC is insane now, why the tipping has gone up in those areas.
Yes. It saddens me when people attack the employees about tipping-especially working in restaurants in LA or cafes. You get a lot of international customers that would complain about it and I would get used to them not tipping. Or they would leave like 10%. For the American customers that complain I had less patience with them because they grew up knowing it’s this way and they still act like they didn’t know just to tip less or nothing at all. It does make you look at the customers differently. You can feel the rudeness of them not tipping for whatever reason. You’re thankful for the people that respect the tipping rule and tips you fairly. Lowkey I would think “wow if you don’t want to tip then eat at home”. Cuz how can you afford to eat out but then get broke out of nowhere when the tip option comes in. It’s not the employees’ fault but it also does hurt us when people don’t tip for personal, cultural or political reasons. At that moment we really don’t care for the reasons, we just notice that we could’ve gotten a nicer customer that actually tips and doesn’t complain to us about it. The companies and corporations should be where you go leave a complaint email-not to the server, ever.
For example David said it himself he just removed himself by cooking at home or going to the convenience store. That’s what I do when I’m broke. But when I go out I already plan to tip. Even to my Starbucks drink because I had friends who worked for Starbucks and it’s stressful to deal with that many people every minute and then rushing you to have every drink ready at the speed of light. Just cuz they didn’t carry a boulder doesn’t mean that they didn’t break a sweat preparing drinks. I even tip my street vendors in LA because they need it the most. I always saw how it hurts the employees and if people want it to change they gotta go protest or something. People need to stop giving employees a hard time about it.
I've always been a good extra tipper. I have a great appreciation for wait staff and restaurant workers. It's hard work and something I would not be good at. So if good service I give a bit more than 20%.
But isn't that the point of a job? It's hard work for everyone?
@@fightmebtchyou shouldn’t have to work back to back double shifts to try and live. That’s a weird mindset to have that all jobs should have to be hard and miserable
As a server in America, I need my tips to survive. Even if they paid me minimum wage I would not be able to afford to live in any apartment. I make more than minimum wage with my tips. In my restaurant I have to tip my busser and my bartender, so if you didn't tip me I still have to tip my other co-workers.
That’s crazy to me. This system is 🤯
UK doesn't charge tipping, but a service charge is included to the bill at establishments roughly 12.5%
I’ve been in Hospitality my entire life. The way it works is servers get paid less than minimum wage. However, with tips a good server can walk away with 2 or 3 hundred dollars a shift. Especially in franchise restaurants like Cheesecake Factory etc.
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I wish y’all stop saying “weed is gateway” to meth. None of you has a credential to say such dangerous and ignorant comment. It’s your second time doing this.
Every is entitled to their views and I have to agree with them. Once you enable one usage of drugs, it's a potential gateway to enabling stronger drugs for many.
@@sannmayy You might be entitled to your opinion but not to medical facts. Millions of people use it for various medical or recreational purposes, they don’t all of a sudden graduate to harder drugs. This isn’t a “I like apples over oranges” debate. Simply put, if you’re not a medical professional who studied and went to school for it, you shouldn’t be making such blatant statements. What you’re saying is the equivalent of “I’m entitled to my opinion and therefore I will start a conversation about not taking vaccines.” You didn’t go to med school, so take a seat. In fact, take several seats back.
@@Bitter_Pill_ It's not medical related but a simple observation that can be made just by looking at certain countries that enable drug use. Human beings are not as difficult as doctors make us out to be, as i happen to be a human i feel like i am very entitled to that statement. Often than not we've seen many teens start from using disposable vapes and all types of e liquids at ages unacceptable by any standard and law to trying marijuana at least once or twice in their lifetime even when illegal. And yes it most definitely can extend to hard drugs when accessible. We wish to try things and it's normal human nature. Also the medical excuse has long been proven to enable unauthorised usage among relatives and close acquaintance. Something I've witness first hand and know for fact occurs nearly always. Like that's a whole conversation in itself i could have for hours.
As African American we do love to tip employees for their kindness and professionalism sometimes.
I don't want David to be sad so I had to comment. One of my favorite things about Korea (and other countries) is the no tipping policy. In NY an average tip would be 20% (before tax - never tip on the bottomline total). But that can vary depending on the situation. If the service was below par I will lower the tip to 15%. I don't tip at quick service places. They put the tip option in to every computer and now people feel pressured to tip on everything - don't feel pressure. Because of all this several chefs in NY have decided to do away with tip and just incorporate that percentage into the price of the meal. So no additional tip but it will look like your meal costs more at the get go.
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It's kind of cute how nervous David is about tipping. It's not that big of a deal. And also you should tip 15-20 percent if you make a difficult take out order or starbucks order. But sometimes the percentage doesn't matter. Sometimes you can just give them a dollar or two for take out if you want to be nice. Or if you and a friend go somewhere and don't order so much food, then you can each just leave a five on the table.
I think US Tipping culture even entered Germany, at least this is what I experience here in Berlin. Not that frequently but I definitely noticed it when I have to pay with card. I always tip but this mandatory tipping got me feeling bittersweet about it
BTW, the tips are taxed. The IRS keeps close tabs on tips. Most tips are divided amongst all servers working that shift. For this reason, the servers prefer cash tips.😂
Just tip occasionally, around 10%. $25 smoothie + tip ($2), I don't know why a single smoothie should be that price. Don't go overboard with the tip and see if you're a regular or not, if you love the food or not, comment around the food, it depends. Don't freak out and obsesses too much, but don't be too lenient.
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Tipping is outrageous in the US, I totally agree. I think the reason it’s become so prevalent is the software for checking out has the tipping feature. I work in a fabric store and our checkout software cues the customer to tip. Generally no one does though. I recently went to a chain fast food for the first time in years and their checkout screen cued for a tip and I did not tip. Also I don’t think the server’s screen shows you’ve tipped or not. Their screen just shows if the transaction is complete. Stay strong, don’t let the tipping culture grow!
As an American, we do see tipping screens everywhere but I personally do what Anna does. I always just press 0 even if the barista is looking at me. People do get guilt tripped into tipping but if you think about it, the barista doesn’t have enough time to think about whether each customer left a tip or not.
As an introverted American who hates small talk, I’m not a fan of the constant checking-in from waiters/waitresses either but I understand it. It is what it is.
In Ontario, Canada, the average waitress wage is $13.78 an hour. Most places the waitress or waiter can keep their tips. Also, in some restaurants, all the tips are added then distributed amongst the wait staff plus the kitchen staff. If you don't tip, it's frowned upon but you do not have to tip. I tip according to the service I receive. Aside from the service industry, Minimum wage is $15.50 an hour. In October of 2023, the minimum wage is supposed to increase to $16.55 an hour. However, the price of food, gas and anything our crooked government can increase, many people do not get any further ahead. I know some people that don't tip at all anymore since the constant increase in food prices and household bills
In the US, tipping is necessary because the waiters are paid a miserable wage and all americans know this. They don't do this to make more money, they're literally trying to get the same wage another waiter from europe or asia would make.
I don't mind tipping if the service deserves it, like a difficult custom order or a delivery being far. Basically if it takes EXTRA effort and I want to show my appreciation. It should ALWAYS be optional. Being in America, I have to deal with tipping screens for literally just entering the door of a place, even if I'm picking it up myself. And I blame this on the business owners not paying a fair wage and passing on the cost to consumers, in the guise of tipping.
US min wage varies by state. Some states are less than $8 an hour.
Those States need to get it right!
@@koreanpizzaclub I agree!
I live in the US and totally think that tipping should be optional and employers need to pay a fair wage. I have found that since food and restaurant prices have increased, we have stopped eating out as much.
Oh, this pressure of pressing the thumbs-up...and the guilt if i don't. :P
This was a really good and interesting topic. My stance on tipping pretty much overlaps with your's.
1. No matter where or what branch you work for, no matter the side you're on (customer or employee):
If it involves dealing with living beings, you ought to be polite and helpful.
2. Having a decent wage should counter this pressure into giving tips just so the people tending to you can survive.
The employer is responsible for the payment, not the customer. If the payment isn't high enough to support one's life, well, fuck that job!
Although tipping is still optional over here in Europe (10-15% is considered polite), i don't have problem giving a tip to delivery men/women or taxi drivers by simply rounding up to the next big number (like 17,35€ to 18€). Driving around with a purse full of tiny coins might be a PITA, so it helps them out.
-- BUT, especially when going to a restaurant, i do not expect overly nice service. Just give me a place to sit down and the food+drinks i order.
Constant questions like 'Is everything to your liking? Do you need xyz?' or something are annoying. --
I got judging looks from my family when i didn't leave a 'generous' tip once, so i said "It's not my job to support them, i'm not the employer.
I'll just pay what is written on the menu/bill and maybe round up a little. Taking care of the workers is the owner's job."
They've already increased the prices for everything due to increasing costs, so paying the workers adequatly should be a given.
The federal minimum wage is $7.25/hr. This rate applies to covered nonexempt workers. The minimum wage for employees who receive tips is $2.13 per hour. The amount of tips plus the $2.13 must reach at least $7.25 per hour.
The federal minimum wage hasn't increased since 2009. States can set their own minimum wage higher than the federal requirement and most have but, 12 states still adhere to the $7.25 minimum. California currently has the highest minimum wage at $15.50.
Also many restaurants these days add "gratuity" (tip) to the total amount to be paid and will still include a space for tips. Many customers don't catch this because most people don't verify items on a receipt, just the total amount.
Correct. Although, the only restaurants I've seen that automatically add an 18% gratuity are when the party is 6 or larger.
And I live in one of those states that adhere to the fed min wage. You'll be hard-pressed as a business owner to have people work for you for that little (restaurants aside). I work mostly entry level jobs and the lowest wage I've seen after covid is 11.00 (still not great, but more than min wage).
I have never left a tip at a hotel. I have tipped Uber and taxis. I tip food delivery drivers, I tip at restaurants. I used to be a server during my college years. I paid fro my room and board with my tips. When your young and cute you can make good tips. If your attentive to families with young kids you can make good tips. If your sweet to older ladies you can make good tips. Restaurants have flexible hours sometimes so it works well when going to school.
The post pandemic tipping culture is out of control. Who has extra cash to hand out these days? So going out costs double. I cook at home a lot more now.
One way to save on costs traveling is booking hotel rooms with kitchens and making your own food. We did that. The hotels rooms with kitchenettes that are close to grocery stores, Target or other shops are my favorites when traveling with the family.
What many people are missing in the comments is that is actually consumers making other consumers tip, it's not the owners who pass judgment on people who do not tip, it's consumers who judge other people for not tipping even if they don't even know how much money is in their bank account.
Yes owners have their share of blame, but I think people have to realise it's a system problem, not only an "owner don't want to pay minimum wage" thing.
Let's say that people stop judging no tipping people; then waiters would hopefully ask for a raise in wage since it would be too low, and the job market works so that if it's too low people stop doing that job until owners raise the wages.
If america will get rid of what I would call the "tip tax", stuff will just increase in cost by the 20-30 % to compensate the minimum wages that would be introduced in order to take off the "tip tax", but the good thing is that waiters who really do their job extra well would still receive tips I believe.
So get rid of mandatory tipping and introduce real tipping please.
Tipping is just an excuse for people to not pay their workers a reasonable wage. And several times the tips don't even go to the employee.
So maybe someone can answer a question for me. I was recently in Korea. I had read a bit about the culture and didn't generally tip except something little like a cab and just basically saying keep the change so the driver didn't have to sort out coins. However I found a nice bar near my hotel that I liked and the staff were really cool and friendly. My Korean is really bad , just a few badly sounding phrases. I was by myself at the bar { it was a bar not a restaurant ) but the staff would always stop and talk to me and not in a way that seemed forced. we had some good talks and laughs. It became my go to place going back to my hotel after venturing out and exploring Seoul. When I paid my bill at the end I would add a 20% tip. Was this ok or did I just look like a westerner showing money ?. I tipped because I had some really good times there and the staff made me feel really welcome. I am asking this as I loved my time in Korea and I am going back early next year and I just want to make sure I didn't do anything wrong.Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
Didnt need to tip at all but still they wouldve appreciated it!
Ok thank you
TIPS- actually mean: To insure proper service. So the original tips were given ahead - like how people give money to maitre 'd at fancy restaurants to get better tables, etc. Its original intent was not to 'thank' for service or show gratitude, but to get better service ahead of your bill. I agree that in the US tipping has gotten out of control, especially when in states like California servers at restaurants get full minimum wage which is almost $15 hour. when I lived in Michigan, the Federal server wage was $2.52 hourly, and your wages were expected to come from tips. We were taxed on our claimed tips. So it really does depend on which state you're in.
Yeah, the prices in the US right now are gnarly. It's no joke.
As a general rule we don't tip in Australia. Its a nice thing to do if you want to but it's completely optional and not expected.
To help you feel a bit better. First of all, tipping at 18% in much of the US is fine. Also, for take out you do not have to tip -- although during the pandemic you saw this more because of the staff making less money due to less dining in. Finally, the average American does not stress about tipping. Give what you feel comfortable with -- leaving New York and the big cities on the West coast aside -- you can tip down to 15% if you really cannot afford it. Don't stress -- y'all are very nice people. Yes, servers do depend on tips but the average server is still going to be polite and if you are polite to the server that goes a long way.... I have never been in a situation where you cannot customize the tip -- ie choosing "other" or you can tip with cash and then you don't have to tip electronically. Hope this helps? -- Oh quick addendum -- at restaurants if you have a larger party -- I think is is 6 people or more, sometimes the tip is included so you have to check on the bill for this -- it will already list the tip or somewhere indicate "tip included" or "gratuity included". It is easy to make a mistake and tip on top of this because the bill will still leave a space for the tip. If you are paying on an electronic device and you are not sure (again, this only happens for the most part with larger groups) you can ask if the tip is already included. Sometimes it will indicate this on the menu or on the website. Finally, you can also consider tipping only on the bill total BEFORE including the cost of alcohol and BEFORE including the cost of the tax -- and this is considered acceptable. Younger folks don't seem to know this but this is considered okay. Now, if a large chunk of the bill is alcohol then it is nice to tip on the whole bill but that is a choice. Sorry to make it longer but really in the end do the best you can -- main thing is don't accidentally pay a tip twice...
Very helpful! Thank you :))
When I worked in a restaurant in the US servers only made about $2 a hour and the restaurant just hoped that with tips the servers would at least be at minimum wage because if they didn’t get enough tips to hit the minimum wage of like $8/9 at the time then the restaurant themselves would have to pay them the difference.
I know tipping in the USA is ridiculous. But I tip for the waitresses because I know how little their wages are. But i think the restaurant owners should be paying them a higher wage and not put it on the customer. I don’t tip according to what they tell me to tip because I can’t afford it. I am usually paying for one of my adult kids as well. I usually tip $5.00. When checking out at some resteraunts they will give you 3 options to select. There has been times when all 3 options were over $5.00 and I only tipped $5.00. There has also been times when the 3 suggested amounts were under $3.00 but I still tipped $5.00
Hello from Canada, tipping is optional, but all prices have sky rocketed, so eating out for me now is a seldom experience. And yes, I figure the rip into the experience, but if the service sucked, so will their tip. I can't be shamed into tipping. Nope.
can you plz do next podcast on what koreans think about vegan or vegeterian diet.
we also have the saying "If you can't afford to tip, then don't eat out" lol. Not that I agree
If you can’t pay workers don’t open a restaurant 😅😅
Northern Europe is where you should all travel because you would love it here. Do you know that a singer from Korea named B.I is coming here to a tour.
Very interesting! I am swiss and in Switzerland its the same like korea. No tips expected and you pay the price that is written on the menue. But on our honeymoon we were in canada, calgary, alberta. We went for a nice dinner and just rounded up to the next higher 10 - i forgot the exact amount. We must not have paid enough tip because the waiter actually came after us when we left the restaurant, like he followed us onto the street and asked us why we did not like it - we were so confused because we liked it but we just did not pay enough tip so much as that the waiter was really furious! It was not a nice experience.
I live in the US, and I don't tip over (or under) 20%. I tip on auto pilot at this point after seeing people be rude to my family (when I was a kid) after they didn't tip enough.
I love Anna’s gb accent, it’s so cute
I used to eat out a lot pre-Covid & would tip every time. After Covid, prices went up on almost everything. Living in California is expensive. Thank God I’m now retired. I mostly eat at home but eat out with friends once a month. That’s the only time I would tip.
27:57 It exists so the hospitality business can keep their profit. Whatever happening with the tips is the employees problem (in the grand scheme of things). But this is why even if you swap tips with minimum wage, I guarantee you most of these employees will not want it either because they makes more than minimum wage with this socially pressured tipping system.
Can you discuss money in Korea? Koreans seem to be both generous and frugal. There is luxury and family gifts but also the other side of the coin with thrift. Everyone knows about the luxury but not family gifting as well as everyday money habits.