Challenger 2 Tank "Black Night" | MODERN UPGRADE
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2018
- The Challenger 2 Life Extension Project (LEP) is a British MoD contract to remove obsolescence from Challenger 2 and extend its out-of-service date by ten years to 2035. As well as removing obsolescence, there will be the opportunity to make further capability enhancements. The upgraded tank will be referred to as Challenger 2 Mark 2. The prototype has been displayed at DVD 2018, painted in black to justify its nickname: “Black Knight”.
BAE Systems launched Team Challenger 2, a major strategic partnership with other world-leading defense companies to bid for the LEP Assessment Phase contract. Upgrades to address the Challenger 2’s obsolescence by Team Challenger 2 are as follows: a new thermal imaging system allowing the Challenger 2 to acquire targets at night as quickly as it currently can in daylight.
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Challenger 2 "Black Night" | TANK UPGRADES - Наука та технологія
Tell me what you think of this? Is it worth it? Is it going to be made into full production? Disagree with what I said? Let me know! :-)
My thoughts, Its essential.
We are at the point now that tandem warhead guided missiles are becoming a common thing even in third world armys. Tanks can no longer rely on reactive armour + chobham to be protected.
At the minimum all western tanks should be adopting hard kill defensive systems as soon as is realistically possible.
This Upgrade is really impressive, but I am also very eager to see what Rheinmetall's Upgrade will look like. I'd really love some Design choices from the Leopard mbt Revolution to influence their proposal for the Challenger 2.
Matsimus don't take this the wrong way but a polished turd is still a turd. The Challenger 2 was an obscelecent design from the beginning built for a style of warfare that was woefully out of date. Its disappointing to see the MoD of Great Britain double down on a poor design rather than seeking to at least put the money in to make them compatible with the NATO logistical system and look into new more future proof designs.
In regards to the Engine, I think the rest of the drive-train would obviously have to be considered in any Engine Replacement or Performance Increase, mostly in regards to maintenance, reliability, fuel consumption etc, not that It would necessarily be problematic (a boilerplate development procedure) Active Defensive Systems are a must, as even in the absence of modern anti-armor weapons, crack marksmanship against small, unprotected areas of vehicles has sometimes paid substantial dividends, possibly the earliest example being the destruction of 2 of the Ironclad Ram C.S.S. Virginia's 10 guns by the Wooden hulled, Sail-only Sloop of War U.S.S. Cumberland (Commissioned 11/9/1842) at the first day of the Battle of Hampton Roads (3/8/1862) despite the feat involving firing smooth-bore muzzle-loading guns from the pitching deck of a sailing ship, aimed with rope, pry-bars, elevation thread, and quadrant at the gun-port hatches of a moving Ironclad, whilst they happen to be open long enough to roll out, aim, and fire shells at the broadside of a wooden ship in return. Ultimately after multiple hours of gunnery, and the death/injury of 55% of the Cumberland's Crew, the Virginia was finally able to sink the Cumberland by ramming, but in doing so took substantial damage and was thus unable to decisively ram the Ironclad U.S.S. Monitor the second day of the battle, the precious few hours bought forcing Virginia to fall back to deeper waters to prevent running aground with the tide, and with it saving the Union Fleet and making the Monitor's soon to be legendary duel inevitable, and with it the threat to the blockade and potentially even Washington D.C. duly neutralized.
yip so much worth it:)
Overheard interaction between Black Knight’s AI systems management program and the crew:
*tank takes a hit*
Black Knight: “ ‘Tis but a scratch.”
Crew: “A scratch? Your treads are off!”
BN: “No they aren’t.”
C *pointing to damage*: “Well what’s that then?!?!?!?”
BN: “I’ve had worse.”
C: “You liar!”
BN: “Come on and fight with me, you pansies!”
Love it, nice one mate!
Lol nice Monty python reference
Nnnnnit
Nice one
I AM INVINCIBLE! HAVE AT YOU!
*gets sniped by atgm plane*
Alright, we'll call it a draw!
Ah, the wargaming-approach: paint it black, sell it again.
Poccer 77 WG has got an excuse now
BadGamerGood T34 LEP :'D
damn you, I just spilled my drink.
HAHAHAHHHAHA
Perfect
“Robot military voice channels”
Yes! Finally, someone mentioned those mongs!
I've never understood how that became so trendy, defense analysts hiding their voice out of paranoia? Russian troll accounts? Some backstory on how that started would be interesting.
I see a Challenger and I want to paint it *black* ...
No colors any more
Calm down batman
They probably don't understand the Stones' connection ^^
I love that song.
I see those mongs roll by down in their IFV! I see a chally and I want it painted black~
Dont forget the boiler so you can make a cup of Tea, or Coffee.
Don't forget an automatic biscuit server. Of course a battle stops at 5 for proper cup of tea.
@@charonboat6394 Digestives Dispenser?
@@eustache_dauger How did you know, friend?
Don't forget an old English saying "If Queen can't afford chocolate for her troops she shouldn't go to war"
Uno Petersen hahahahaha, lots of countries say things like this but we still won wars against them.
@@davidedbrooke9324 Which ones?
"It's Only A Flesh Wound!"
"I move...for no man."
No matter what other upgrades are implemented, there needs to be the permanent addition of a nice thick slab of Dorchester on the lower front plate for the driver. For goodness sake, he's only got 1200 hp and no new, fancy gadgets to work with - the man deserves a brick of Burlington, a chunk of Chobham.
Take a look at TES challenger at bovington. That thing has a 1500hp engine and all sorts of bits and bobs for the driver
It receives a block of Dorchester in it's lower glacis when it's expected to be entering combat operations. There is a separate program called HAAIP which will be looking at either up-rating or upgrading the engine.
Ahh those are my favourite types of cheese..but how is that going to stop an ATGM?, at least he can get plinked with a smile on his face..’more Wensleydale Grommet?’😂
@@ScrotusXL Well no one knows the details but the Dorchester block was added after the original ERA add-on failed to stop a tandem warhead from an RPG-29 so we can assume the block will at least protect against that.
Everyone throwing around names of exotic cheeses but not one expert has explained how it defeats chemical energy projectiles.
Black painted modern tanks looks so damn cool. I hope germany paints a leopard 2a4 revolution black.
A4? I thought they moved away from that!
Its an upgrade package to bring the a4 up to a much higher standard. Pretty good except for it still has the old gun. Their "technologietrager" is like a revolution but with even more stuff and a hard kill aps and the l55
Ah so it for those whom use the older tanks and can't afford a new one. Gotcha!
Baron Von Grijffenbourg 10 points for creativity I guess?
"Sir, we burn the tank as you asked!"
"The soot that turned it black washed off in the rain!"
Love the glow sticks on the back of the helmets at around 12 mins
Her Chieftan and Centurion parents were killed by a T80 criminal.
Naw dawg thats the dark knight upgrade made by Wayne industries...
Challenger1 killed by t-90
Challenger2 killed by t-14 😁😁😁😁
T14 killed itself, it is in no position to kill anything :D
Wannysek no it didn’t what happened on parade was he accidentally hit the parking brake
a) The fact that the crews didn't know how to use their vehicles properly was the second biggest reason French tanks failed so badly...
but the point is not that,...:
b) The tanks is beyond too expensive for Russia....biggest country in the world with about 1/12 of the economy power of the US, they cannot fuel projects for 5th gen fighers, super-modern sci-fi tanks as well as standard modernization of their current army pool....
i bet some joker would paint on the black knight from monty python
Yes and spray paints 'Looney' on the side of the turret.
Sorry guys, but this needs to be done in the finest traditions of the British Army, although instead of "Looney", replace with "None Shall Pass" ….. oh yeah!
I bet someone already has!
I'd name my tank 'Deep Purple'
I'm bat tank
"Make and color? lt's a black. . . . . .tank..."
Blyat tank
patriot enfield that’s a T72B
I saw one of your comments on a video talking about the Challenger’s upgrade you looked so excited and we all are great video Matsimus
The black knight upgrade just makes it look even more sexy ;)
This made me regret picking infantry
Put into perspective and ponder on this. During the cold war the doctrine was once British Armour had engaged, the life expectancy of a Chieftain was just 7 minutes. …….. Hmmmm!
@Hammer 001 Exactly. Tow Gunner here, stationed in West Germany. I always worried some bastard was gonna live 44 seconds and I wouldn't even get off a shot. Knowing we'd be out of ammo shooting up crap T-55's before we even saw a T-80, didn't help any.
@Hammer 001 thank you for your service!
Used to work on a base, where Air Defence Regiment was based. Their life expectancy was approximately 10 secs, & rarely expected to get more than 1 SAM off once spotted.
@@wolfwise44 I think CR2 has better systems than some post cold war 1970s platform.
PP status: Rock solid
Great video. Definitely much better than all the text to speech channels that report on military tech
Love the comment that soldiers break tech. We, they are very hard on stuff. Also thank you for sharing pictures of you and equipment. Great videos and slowly getting caught up. Your views are very insightful, and honest. Keep up the great videos and hard work. From a vet, thank you for your service.
Thanks for a great video. Your knowledge and passion comes through. Keep it up.
The Challenger 2 got me when I found out you adjust track tension by pushing a button in the driver's compartment. Geoff Who notes the Chieftain.
When are the fuzzy dice being installed and pine wood air freshener? You know the important things
The challenger certainly strikes a fear-inducing silhouette!
When your talking electronics modular and quick remove circuit boards really help to keep your packages running well fast. Also never forget to use open architecture for your electronics. This is what keeps the Grippen & F-16 so up-gradable and up-to-date.
Just how this made me really happy, I know Matsimus had to change his Trousers! 😆👌
It’s f**king *Beautiful!!*
Anything with black paint means it has serious business
Interesting video on possible upgrades for what is, yes, a wonderful tank
Love your intro graphics... when he looks back im thinking hes thinking "man maybe sleeping in wasnt a bad idea!"
Should’ve called it the Black Adder!
Don’t you mean “Baldrick?”
I still have my black adder shoulder patch from Gulf War I
Named after a charecter who's plans always fail?
General Melchett would think it was a good idea, raise the moral of the troops and lull the enemy into a false sense of security.
..or the black tea maker
Well done man, thank you for calling out the robo voice videos! 👏👏👏
As always an awesome vid mat! One thing i instantly noticed on this tjing wad the addition of an Active Protection System. As if the beast wasn't already protected enough!
@@komradearti9935 wake up buddy.
because of this kind of piece of equipment and also because of some others like AH 7 Lynx helicopter, the Great and Brave People of The United Kingdom can be and feel so proud to be British. I'd like to be that proud. Congratulations Matsimus for the video and for being British.
Challenger 2 now with warning light for extra mong shooting factor
Looking forward to the upgraded Challenger 2 chasing Jeremy Clarkson around at high speeds
Very good! Very well explained.
I was waiting for you to make this one the moment I read about it. You even asked about a Chally 2 upgrade awhile back.
Saw this the other day an got a semi, could have driven this this year but chose Light Dragoons instead.
"Does it come in black?"
Ask Mr Fox
That is one majestic machine! Always been a great fan of CR2. The Brits finally got it right as WW2 ended, with Centurion - just about the greatest MBT of all time. And they've improved on the basic Centurion design since then. Great vid, BTW.
I know it’s a tank video but it’s always nice to see an AS90 in action.
C2 is a bad ass looking tank!!
I dont understand why everyone is clamouring for an entirely new tank. Upgrading an existing platform can push it's service life by decades whilst letting it remain a competitive tank and is much cheaper than developing an entirely new platform. Look at the T-72, the original was outdated 5 years into it's lifespan, so they improved it, making the T-72A series that remained on -par with Western designs until the early 80's. Then the various T-72B's, including the the model 87 and model 89 both remained only slightly worst than the Leopard 2's and the 105mm Abrams. The M1IP and Leopard 2A4 both otuclassed the T-72B's, so once again the Russians upgraded it to the T-72BU (T-90) which continued to be improved upon, with the T-90A, T-90S and T-90MS which both were on-par when they were introduced. Even today the original T-72's from 1971 are given just small modifications into the T-72B3M which are on par with most western tanks in service, and that's just a small upgrade. The Challenger 2 can also follow this path, making small adjustments and improvements over many years whilst remaining competitive, all at a fraction of the cost of developing an entierly new platform. Thats why the T-14 Armata failed, and the russians decided to keep going with the T-90's. The UK can learn from others.
You can't compare the CR2 with the T-72 in terms of modularity and life expectancy. You can't even compare it to other NATO MBTs in that matter.
The UK wants to relieve the CR2 in the 2030s, it would be 36+ years old by then. However Abrams and Leopard 2 users also plan on relieving their MBTs in the 2030, making them 50+ and 51+ years old respectively. They have a ~14/15 year longer life expectancy.
The most comparable NATO MBT to the CR2 in terms of age would be the Leclerc, but they want to keep it in service til the 2040s not the 2030s, making it 49+ years old by then, giving it a ~13 year longer life expectancy.
Now, the T-72 is topping all of that. It is expected to service at least to the 2030s like its NATO counterparts, making it impressive 58+ years old at the time of retirement! The T-72BU (T-90) might last even longer.
Armata is not only a T-14 tank, but a platform for new systems. You confuse pre-production samples and those that will be transferred to the army.
UVZ stated that:
T-14 will be produced in parallel with the repair of T-72B, modernization of T-80B and T-80U, T-90A. This is done by different enterprises. As long as the Armata platform does not occupy all niches of use.
Why not make it fast? Because it is not a game or comics. It takes years. Few people are able to realize a similar scale. These are not 200 and not 500 tanks, they are thousands of units of equipment, not only tanks.
This work has been done since the mid-80s (Project 299). And now gives its fruits)
Yes, the 152mm module is ready. But it will have another cipher, not T-14. There are many specialized machines.
Jonny
That's right.
But the T-55 will be serviced as long as there are parts. Like AK)
@@jonny2954 - Firstly, you got a source to support your claims?
Secondly, when the government wants to replace it and when it will actually be replaced are two different things, and when it is actually outdated is another thing entirely. The updated CR2 will probably be in service till the late '30s, early '40s. Which would be 40+ years in service. And if its still cheaper to update rather than replace then they could easily end up going for another 10 years.
Awesome thanks for the great work
Knew of the 120mm and new turret "upgrade" but did not know it was going to be called Black Knight. Awesome.
@@komradearti9935 If I were UK, I would go with 120mm for now, the 130mm is not in widespread use and ammo for it is still not as cheap and plentiful as NATO 120mm is. Plus some Countries are still weighing the reduced ammo count versus improved lethality.
Re the powerpack; the MOD always intended that MBT80 had a 1500 bhp version of the cv12. it was derated because the Treasury demanded a longer service life for the packs in order to save money. It's my understanding that one option for the LEP programme is to give the cv12 a common rail injection system which will boost output to over 1500 hp.
For me the biggest weakness is the transmission not the engine. C2 has six forward gears, the lowest being a crawler gear. This is because the C2 shares it's transmission with the CRAARV, which needs an ultra low first gear for pulling power rather than acceleration. C1 had four forward gears and better "take off" than c2 because of this. The six speed box seems to have trouble generating enough torque at low revs which hinders acceleration.
Two solutions; increase the torque /improve the final drives so the power comes in with less delay,
or fit a new transmission.
Cheers matsimus. Great vid btw, keep 'em coming!
Much of the choices made for Challenger 2 were for commonality reasons. Imagine the logistical nightmare of fielding CR 1, CR 2 and CRARRV all with different engines and transmissions. It was probably felt the likely improvement in availability from using common modules would trump any mobility gain from a different powerpack.
@@agt155 There was never any intention to field three vehicles with different engines. C1 was phased out when C2 came into service. Craarv, C2,Titan and Trojan all share the same engine and transmission.
@@thewomble1509 CR2 was developed with the intent of serving alongside CR1. The end of the cold war meant that never happened. If CR2 was to have a different version of the CV12 then, with CRARRV (based on CR1) and Trojan/Titan (based on CR2), there would have been two different engines (CV12 1200 & CV12 1500) and three different transmissions (TN37, TN54 & DB-1500). A logistical nightmare.
Well, it's necessary to have these upgrades. The immediate future (present?) allows the deployment of gun-launched anti-aircraft missiles, and the CHARM rifled gun of the Challenger doesn't support this. This is a big problem, that gun has to go.
I love the Challys.... What an excellent MBT series.
Couldn't agree with you more. Yes its some good upgrades going into the tank, but its a start. We NEED the engine and gun upgraded ASAP, But you have to start somewhere, so hopefully this is only the start of things to come for this beautiful tank.
Keep up the good work with these videos
There is a historical precedent: When the T-64/65 was to expensive the Russians started production of the T-72, which was an all right tank, but nothing more - and a budget decision.
These tanks have gone under upgrade after upgrade to the point of making them immobile.
If the Russians have to shift their very few survivable tanks along the long boarder that will leave some pretty darned gaping holes elsewhere where the antiques are.
The Russians are not going to use nukes - because they know that Sct. Petersburg will be oblitterated before lunch (lets hope for a westerly wind - most common in the area).
Not only that, but they will not achieve any military objective, as the tanks are under way at sea.
T-72 turned out to be better than T-64 and in some versions T-80 in many areas.
T-72B having the best turret armour out of everything before T-80BU.
The "antiques" were giving western tank fanboys panic attacks when they found out old ass antique EG T-72 could stand up to their "silver bullet" with Kontakt-5 ERA.
Fyi upgrades also included engine. T-72B3 is currently a much lighter(nearly 20t lighter) tank than Chally2 while having similar horsepower.
Will it have parts and FPE?
Nah, the Treasury wouldn't pay for the Golden Eagles.
You get a free abrams instead ;D
I hear the stock grind is going to be shit
I guess we'll find out next update lol ;-;
From the country who gave us chobham armour now this very cool
Well now I'm even more hyped to join the army as a tank commander.
Sigh it's only truly modern when it ditches the L30 for either a new british smoothbore or the german L55 (due the better ammo choices) HESH has had its day (as delayed fuse HE is way more useful and our HESH stocks are actually dangerous to handle due to their age) and the accuracy benefits of rifled over smoothbore are pretty much non existent these days (partially due to better optic systems) and switches up to a 1500hp engine minium
Optic systems? Its the fact that the rounds are now fin stabilsed, still not quite as good as a rifled barrel for accuracy but more ammo types available as well as atgm that can be fired via a smoothbore.
But if you're doing that then you may as well buy a new fleet of Abrams.
It doesn’t seem to me that there’s actually a requirement for HESH to be spun, fin stabilized hesh should be possible.
The higher the length to diameter a penetrator gets, the less effective spin stabilization is, so smoothbores aren’t at a disadvantage in terms of accuracy.
in modern battles, tanks are easy preys to whoever controls the skies. No longer might be the days when tanks hunt tanks. Therefore an active protection system is more practical than replacing a good gun with another good gun..
@@SuperBoytech except that gun is getting outperformed interms of firepower and a logistical nightmare for the rest of NATO, simple fact is that having the gun stick to 2 piece significantly reduces the potential penatration of the rounds, the current rounds are too short to be effectuve against newer armour types and even though the breech block of the L30 is twice the size of the L55 you can't over pressure rounds in it, which is a significant limiting factor at this stage and you can't even use rounds like DM63 or even DM33 at that. It ain't as much of a tank killer as it was.
0:00 that's not how you drive a car.
Looks amazing!
Suffield, ha, I grew up in the Hat. I remember working a couple summers when I was in my early 20's out on the base a lot. It was awesome, loved seeing all the Chally 2's, among everything else. I was interested in everything military since I was young, so it was fun to be out there. Got to work on an ATCO trailer while wargames were on. All we could see was the arty pounding round after round down range. They were a ways away, but could see and hear the blasts. It was awesome.
Still remember when we where working on some barracks. 3 guys got busted for getting to drunk the night before or something, that was what we heard anyway. But the seargant had them run around the barracks area with their rifles over there heads for hours, in 30c temps, lol. Remember one passed out or fainted, ha it was hilarious. Would suck being those guys though.
Make a video on the British Pinzgauers!
Do the robotic military videos just copy paste articles into a text to voice program, find some stock videos of said military topic and call it a day? Lel
Yes
Watching the barrel remain precisely in one place while driving quickly over rough terrain is really impressive. 4:10 - 4:20. Would love to see that in action.
"it's only a flesh wound!"
I was an armoured farmer back in the day driving a chieftain bridge layer. What a heap of junk that was. I drove a development challenger at bovy and it was like ide jumped out of a reliant Robin and stepped into a roller. Such a massive difference, even the sound was please t compared to the chieftains fukin awefull screechy whine. Wish I was just joining as the kit their getting now seems so much better. I even had to buy my own bergen and goretex bivi bag or I would have been stuck with a 30 litre large pack and a soaking wet doss bag. Cool vid.
As far as I know no Challenger Tanks have ever been knocked out in Battle, you can't say that about our American Cousins Abraham Tank.
TheGrowler55 well it’s still a good tank
One- by another CR
Well Americans have mass production but the only reason we survive is because we be more strategic not saying they ain't strategic but we're more careful
do one about the Norwegian KNM Skjold class
Fastest military naval vessel in the world
I was recently in tiny coastal village in Wales, looked up to see a weird fixed wing UAV flying over the beach. Luckily had my zoom lense fixed to my DSLR and got some pretty decent pics. Turns out it's the Watchkeeper UAV being tested in the area. At least one has already crashed. The program seems plagued by problems. Still, quite cool to have the photos of it flying
The original Challenger holds The World’s Record for a Tank vs Tank kill. The distance - which history books record @ 5100 meters - but which occurred @ 4700 meters according to a British Tanked present (This is between 3.17 to 2.92 miles respectively) - in either case far exceeds the range of 1200 meters which often cited as the maximum range for a reliable kill. The Iraqi Tank was a T-72.
As a Yank - I can only say…”I’m glad a tank crew who could shoot so well was on our side!”
Do Russian subs and super cavitating torpedoes.
Yes build this tank
UK needs more tanks. Has great platforms, just needs more. Imho.
James P I think they don’t actually, they’re an island nation after all, I think it’ll be better if they invest more in the air/sea department more than land
Lancer but they basically always fight overseas
xXEDGY GAMINGXx
Does it need to, though?
@@MrPancake777 defending the Homeland doesn't seem to be a real need for the current or near current threats .it always seems the UK fights in some distant land against people armed with atgm and hiding behind rocks.the new Russian and Chinese atgm are very good and are a high threat .I watched a video of some of the prospective replacements for Bradley's are going to be able to launch small drones for when they are ambushed or in a high threat ,I think this is a very good idea so they can see who is firing and from where
Australia has like 59 Abram tanks for a continent, laaame!
When you thought we weren't going to see any upgrades, then they go and do it anyway, I do feel good about this
Love it love it, seen a previous interview with one of the BAE systems ‘boffins’ (ask your Nan!) who was an ex tankie. It makes so much sense to develop this further into a real world capable vehicle based on our wonderful MOD doctrine of let’s do it for £2.50 and some gaffer tape mentality. Matsimus, I think 2,000 bhp is a little fanciful. Maybe if you replaced the old diesel lump with a de-tuned top fuel dragster engine😳😂
So,would that be the Premium version of Challenger 2?
Seeing all this anti rocket talk I think people work like crazy to get new mine systems.
Great video brosive
That is good tec. If it's work's , don't trhu away!
2035? *This is war from arma 3 soundtrack intensifies*
tututu du tu, tutududu tu tu, yea i thought the same
Gotta love the straight up plagiarism from those text-to-speech channels. Still unsure how they get millions of views.
I'm personally a leopard 2 fan, but this is my favorite challenger
Hey matsimus, do you know if they put composite armour on the challengers 2 lower plate or is it still a 76mm plate? I know they also installed era blocks on the plate but that's not much help against apfsds
Can you do a video on the Canadian leopard 2
@@liammiddleton3064 you don't understand, Canadian Leopard 2 have on board maple S.Y.R.U.P. assisting systems. Also the newly released apolo-getic gun platforms. Oh. And moose treads
@@iwantcrawfish6110 Also the Canadian Leppard 2 has a new capability that it will only fire on anyone who has a different opinion to the Lefty Libtards and it also welcomes islam to ruin beautiful Country of Canada.
It's has a Soy powered power plant thanks to the Canadian PM Justin 'Soy Boy' Trudeau.
You should do a video on the Australian army
crazy russian fridge the best army in the world according to a completely unbiased opinion
Me an Australian
He did a video on the Boxer CRV and the F-111 Pig. As our defence white paper 2009 acquisition progresses and more information releases he will probably do more videos on our military.
Sarge Sacker25 Because Matsimus is a badass like that.
BadGamerGood they’re the best army currently in Australia.
I was a member of the Challenger 2 user trial Team at ATDU Bovington. (Scots DG). I did my operational stuff on the original Challenger. I'm looking at the black knight stuff and I think that it is a bit too localised. Its all about responses and systems to deal with engageable distances. This is a good idea, but this tank needs an integrated armed drone system.
1:31 when your neighbor's car alarm go off around 2am every time a car passes by and you're just trying to fall asleep before it starts ringing again
Hasn't Israel's trophy APS already been battle tested?
Against RPGs- yes but I don't know if proven against tank shells.
U can see they added Iron Fist - other Israeli APS that can also stop Tank Shells.
Yes.
Actually we American chose to instal Trophy for our Abrams stationed in Europe. We are investigating lighter system for lighter vehicles.
Any informations about Rheinmetall ADS?
Why would we need a new tank? What's wrong with the Chally 2? The Americans have been using their M1 Abrams' since 1980 and they seem to be happy.
its not a new tank, its just an update on teh challenger
Tee Dee its an upgrade, just like how us muricans have been constantly upgrading the M1
Because its really hard to make a new MBT tank today that's they keep upgrading them.
Black night sounds and looks badass!
Very well put together & a professional team developing LEP. All such enhancements & upgrades are a compromise - and will be scenario dependent factoring in topography, threat, environment etc. As noted APS may have some issues with it - blue on blue effects, false alarms etc. Battle damage to sensors & optronics. APS will also influence vehicle signature in particular ways.
I guess main driving force is that you can only wring out so much protection from existing armour packages so that you have to look at APS as a supplement to prevent weapon impact. Latest generation of ATGM warhead have unrivalled capability (Kornet etc) & can be launched beyond Challenger main armament reach.
The difficult is that you have so many factors & engineering dependencies for the incorporation of protection packages & wonder whether advanced modelling tools and virtual reality can help in this. This assists the system designers & architects down-select options or fine-tune to particular threats. So far Scenario A - use add-ons A - for Scenario B - use add on B etc. The approach described in video is sensible to focus first on upgrading vehicle electronics and comms & then Active protection & armament.
From my time in Leonardo - wonder if the virtual reality tools at Basildon might be of assistance in this context. This allows scenario incorporation, fly through animation and drill-down into vehicle structure via 3d-CAD. Its a powerful capability - although BAe Systems may have equivalents.
Comments on Mobility & Firepower are noted - although IMO AFV protection comes first & stowage of rounds is critical - as lurid videos elsewhere attest. This improves crew morale _ although no doubt designers may prefer to shift the balance elsewhere.
I hope these ramblings makes some sense.
"EQUIPPED WITH 120 MM TEA CUPS"
Black Night = Dark Knight = Batman~!
It looks so good 🇬🇧
Hi Matsimus I was wondering if you know if the yellow sand in the BATUS cammo was the same as on the Chellenager 1,2 in the Gulf Wars ( in doing a model of a Chieftain in BATUS cammoflage ).
Thanks Henry
Thanks Henry
Hmm... apart from the natural process of getting rid of outdated parts and replacing them - OK. But seriously:
There is not any signs that the Russians are able to come up with anything that really can be a challenge to what Nato allready have. The problem is really Germany that has sold their large stock of Leopard 2 - at firesale prices. There might be some idea in putting a sexy french turret on the Leopard 2 chassis - getting rid of some of the German overdesign.
Even if Russia is able to come up with something substantially better than what they have at the moment: It is a no starter. Russia simply can't afford it. Besides the point: What the russians really fear is that the army realizing they are in for a short and very bloody carreer - well then they just might turn their tanks around and replace the management, as they have done so often before.
If we see the Baltic area with the formation of a divisional command and heavy tanks from Norway, Denmark and Canada (40-50) a piece then a divisional reserve from GB with a similar number will be able not only to deal with the pitifull tatters that might limber through the main forces but also will be able to smash back in a counterattack that threaten to cripple Putins constituency.
Historical evidence informs them, that an assault will incur casualties Russia today cannot afford - much less is likely to be able to aquire.
No this seems to be the sensible proposition: Take the Challenger 2 and tart it up a bit put some new periscopes on it. With a nice supply of replacements, because - as You say - they are the pieces that are liable to break when the arguments turn nasty.
Is that before or after the nukes land?.
T-72B3, easily.
EDIT: gotta love the wehraboo fake-news numbers on battle of berlin. (archived Russian deaths+missing - not for propaganda was less than the number of just dead german soldiers)
Such wehraboos are probably the same people perpetuating the myth that it takes 6 shermans to take down one panther.
During Battle for Berlin; Germany already mostly ran out of their "elite indoctrinated" soldiers and thus they lost more even while on the defensive.
Also, China didn't need to have "heavily politicised and fanatical troops" to repel invaders are its doorstep; Sino-Japanese war and its atrocities wasn't that long ago for Korean War.
Thanks for alleviating the fear of general public, comrade; but you have failed to convince any professionals that Russia is no threat.
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A lot of idiots don't realize that Russia is just telling NATO to fuck off.
USSR is gone but NATO is still there - still oppressing rest of the world.
People sit there bitching and whining about what Russia supposedly did involving "Ukraine" but in reality America has always done the same shit(remember how Texas became a state?); but as usual, it's only okay when Americans do it? *russian election influence intensifies*
Singha Mura
Joke's on you, the autoloader was one of the modifications.
T-72B3 is very much up to T-90 standards.
It's 2018 and people already figured out thicker penetrator helps it resist effect of composite/ERA but people are still bitching and whining about Russian APFSDS having shorter/thicker penetrator.
The problem for the Russians is that they do not have the troops to use that tactic any more. We saw how they got butchered in Chechetnia.
Another point is: Stalin could use the tactic, but Putin cannot, as the army is on the verge of mutiny!
You saw that at the invasion of Ukraine they pulled out a battallion just before the invasion (and apparently replaced it with a local defence battallion that ran out of fuel). The entire officer corps in Khaliningrad (Königsberg) was fired - indubitably to incompetence. Ineptitude is as serious as disloyalty.
Not that our side is without mongs among officers.
A lot has been written about the T-14 braking down at the rehearsal of the parade. Whether it was mechanical malfunction or driver incompetence is immaterial: They could not even practise a parade!
The other thing is: We are talking Nato now! If they try their grabbing technique in Bulgaria there is nothing to stop a counterpunch against Sct. Petersburg - and THAT is Putins constituency.
As to the nukes?
1. How many of them work - agreed 1 is enough.
2. How can they control them from going rogue? I mean: A nuke for Moscow fired from the suburb?
The point is that Russia is collapsing and the trick is to make it so slow that the butchery does not spill over in our pumpkin-patch.
Ahhh.... a couple of years ago a couple of F-15's landed on Ämari where a C-23J allready was: In depth photoreported, but not widespread.
just buy some t90's
p Feeley “smart idea”
p Feeley Jesus man we might be having money problems but we ain’t some 3rd world African country
@@MrTangolizard you are already
B M we already are ? We are the 5th richest country in the world u moron
p Feeley no
served with 4 Armoured wks in Germany remember the Conqueror and Centurion tanks well great tanks
It looks sick in black!
They should have called it Black Panther
What are we, germans to you?
The Korean K2 is named 'Black Panther' already.
mitch verr well you brits Share alot of your Culture with Germans just listen to your music (not the modern crap) or Kindergarten at some point you brits and jerrys we're allys.
Iv Read that the russians have cancled their initial order of over 150 t14s because they were too expensive and instead are working on their t90 t72 fleet
Yep. 'Armata' (T-14, T-15, T-16) program is cancelled, 100 units will be produced, after that, production line will shut down. Mr. Borisov said T-72 and T-90 versions are plenty at the moment (which is total BS, but yeah).
@@jonny2954 so that means the ultimate fight to the death t14 vs NATO Tanks will not happen...Sigh just as when things were looking good
No you are wrong. Russians don't have money.when they get money they will start mass production of armata combat platform. Same for su-57
T-14 was a cheap version of Object-195 anyways.
@@seemabalkote1759 that's what happens when oligarchs don't get taxed and bribery runs rampet.
i know you are the big fan of this chally. what a great news
I am not an expert,but I think this is one very very fine tank
How is the Challenger 2 classed as an MBT when it cannot survive a hit to its under glacis plate, surely it would be classed a Tank Destroyer as it fights long range and uses cover to hide its weak lower plate. I'm not trying to offend the tank or the people that enjoy it, in my opinion its one of the best looking MBT's for sure (and in black it looks insane), but compared to an M1 Abrams - a true MBT - the Challenger 2 seems more like a Tank Destroyer. Just curious why its classed as an MBT.
Karnipex I see what you mean but the term tank destroyer isn't really used anymore
True, apart from the STRV 103 :)))))
Don't let Mr Moran hear you say that.....
In areas of combat the Challenger 2 is already fitted with a block of Dorchester composite for the lower glacis plate.
Stop refering to games
Not CR2 OOOOFF
That sounds like the black prince project, hopefully it works out!
But, but... Perkins CV12!!!
Love hearing Megatron rumble around Bovington at Tankfest.
And also, that 140mm rifled sat at Bovington for ATDU. Oh that would be a thing of beauty.
Remember seeing a photo with the 140mm and 120mm FSAPDS side by side.
And I suppose 140mm HESH because reasons. M-yeees!