Why is modern Trench Warfare so important in battle?

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  • Trenches are vital to troops on the ground and will always be needed in modern battlefield. Let's talk about these battlefield defenses and how the are still very effective today, but also how challenging and scary they can be to setup.
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    Soldiers conduct trench warfare training as part of military exercises. Clips include - trench construction, trench tactics, trench battle, trench artillery, trench warfare, trench defence, trench defense, battlefield trench
    #military #trenches #warfare

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  • @_Matsimus_
    @_Matsimus_  3 роки тому +180

    Original video from A.Ryan UA-cam channel. It’s not his content but the videos are from his channel. Check it out I guess…
    ua-cam.com/video/zwoeCxfOVwk/v-deo.html

    • @dimaignatiev6370
      @dimaignatiev6370 2 роки тому +1

      A point i wanted to make...Yes,perhaps to some trenches are a scary thing to consider,or defense positions...but you have to consider the fact that they protect you,and this is your safe place ...if anything happens you just charge the enemy...
      besides,it is best not to calculate everything...it wastes time and do no good

    • @Toto_Meister_01
      @Toto_Meister_01 2 роки тому +2

      surely this is more of a fox hole then a trench?

    • @NovaScotiaNewfie
      @NovaScotiaNewfie 2 роки тому +1

      I love his videos. Takes me back to some of the training videos from the 90s.

    • @placeholdername0000
      @placeholdername0000 Рік тому +1

      How effective could you make a trench at resisting fallout? Could you make a roof, even a few inches of soil and wood over your head would give decent shielding.

    • @cannonfodder8907
      @cannonfodder8907 Рік тому

      wrong video? that link takes us to one that shows the loading process for a machine gun

  • @chaptermastertushan3576
    @chaptermastertushan3576 3 роки тому +4351

    To quote a captain I know, "as long as the ground keeps stopping bullets, we'll use it."

    • @Dan_Therapist
      @Dan_Therapist 3 роки тому +141

      The Azerbaijan Armenia really makes me question this. If you cannot control the air, you're sending your men to slaughter. I saw the propaganda drone footage 😔😔 poor Armenians were sitting ducks.

    • @robinderoos1166
      @robinderoos1166 3 роки тому +79

      @@Dan_Therapist thats why its called genocide...

    • @imperialcommisar5279
      @imperialcommisar5279 3 роки тому +11

      Salve Imperator, my lord!

    • @Dan_Therapist
      @Dan_Therapist 3 роки тому +59

      @@robinderoos1166 no, I mean the recent war faught of Ngorno Kharabakh like 3 months ago

    • @ShahjahanMasood
      @ShahjahanMasood 3 роки тому +23

      @@robinderoos1166 Massacre not Genocide. no need to be soooooo dramatic.

  • @casinodelonge
    @casinodelonge 3 роки тому +2913

    As you pointed out, trenches never caught on as much in the navy.

    • @_Matsimus_
      @_Matsimus_  3 роки тому +657

      Marianas trench!

    • @PhazonSouffle
      @PhazonSouffle 3 роки тому +205

      They should have press ganged Moses.

    • @freshfrozen3035
      @freshfrozen3035 3 роки тому +18

      @@PhazonSouffle ahahahaha

    • @drfye
      @drfye 3 роки тому +38

      🤣 I mean, with technology nowadays chances are if something big enough hits the ship we're all fucked anyways.

    • @myaccount4673.
      @myaccount4673. 3 роки тому +35

      imagine a battle in ocean where one ship have trenches and the other have it too

  • @TheMajorActual
    @TheMajorActual Рік тому +1033

    Revisiting this, a year into the Russo-Ukraine War....Still meaningful, and still worth the watch....Rewatching a bunch of these videos.

    • @baer0083
      @baer0083 Рік тому +49

      Seems as relevant right now as it can get.

    • @rogerwilco2
      @rogerwilco2 Рік тому +5

      Indeed.

    • @Sparticulous
      @Sparticulous Рік тому +21

      Extremely relevant. Surprised that the war became a trench war

    • @poseidon808
      @poseidon808 Рік тому +1

      @@baer0083 Seems more relevant

    • @TheMajorActual
      @TheMajorActual Рік тому +14

      @@Sparticulous Not really surprising, actually. Once the Russian offensive bogged down (that's a LONG story, for another place), trenches became inevitable, as they buy time in the short term, and cost extra time and effort to crack in the longer term.

  • @T3leW3ll
    @T3leW3ll 3 роки тому +337

    My lieutenant in the Finnish Army had a saying "When a soldiers movement forward ends it keeps going 3 feet down before it stops"
    Not the best translation but I hope you get the idea

    • @e.s.6275
      @e.s.6275 3 роки тому

      3 feet is simply not enough in many cases

    • @alperakyuz9702
      @alperakyuz9702 3 роки тому +34

      @@e.s.6275 its a field grave, we dont have time to dig a proper 6 feet.

    • @outforlunch1258
      @outforlunch1258 2 роки тому +1

      What

    • @T3leW3ll
      @T3leW3ll 2 роки тому +30

      @@outforlunch1258 meaning when you stop walking you dig yourself a foxhole there where you stopped

    • @deusvult6920
      @deusvult6920 2 роки тому +18

      @@e.s.6275 it's called a hasty fighting position. There are multiple phases of fighting position. An infantryman should always be improving their position. You usually aren't going to go right into trench digging unless it's a major strategic objective you know they'll be coming to attack and they're at least a few days away. Otherwise you're starting with the hasty. Moving on to an actual fox hole. Giving your foxhole cover / concealment. Then begin joining fox holes with a trench.

  • @blksubiesti
    @blksubiesti 3 роки тому +3064

    Iraq 2003 we dug in everywhere so did the Iraqi Army. Trench warfare ain’t going nowhere. We became experts on digging in fast and deep

    • @freshfrozen3035
      @freshfrozen3035 3 роки тому +105

      Haha not me but my dad was in Iraq but Iran Iraq, and he was 55th airborne
      He rarely fought in trenches, and the iraqies did (Al faw) and the first siege of Iranian forces was a success with minimal cas BUT, the Iranian defence was a whole lot different stories
      Instead of hiding in trenches they had strong holds in mosques which did work but they got pushed back and lost 70-100 men And iraqies thousands
      Proving that trenches are affective at specific times lol
      Edit:
      But that was a different war to modern day warfare as only one side was mostly knowing what their doing (not getting political) and I think trenches are ineffective against modern warfare but agains waves of infantry and armour it is a good tactic to have in mind.

    • @casekocsk
      @casekocsk 3 роки тому +65

      They said war in the future will also be done under ground complex (tunnels and such)...
      Building goes higher but war goes lower...

    • @1Maklak
      @1Maklak 3 роки тому +58

      @@casekocsk There was this Vietnam-style entrenchment where they dug more mines than trenches... on second thought, they just lived up to the name "foxhole".
      Also, cities have metro and sewers and underground cables and urban warfare isn't going anywhere, so USA has a training program for tunnel warfare.

    • @readhistory2023
      @readhistory2023 3 роки тому +3

      Apparently they didn't have proximity or ICM for their artillery.

    • @madwolf0966
      @madwolf0966 3 роки тому +8

      *Tries to resist not making a dirty joke*

  • @imperialcommisar5279
    @imperialcommisar5279 3 роки тому +1845

    The ancient Terran trench, the saviour of all guardsmen!

    • @robinderoos1166
      @robinderoos1166 3 роки тому +106

      Imperial commisars, the bane of cowardous guardsmen!

    • @templar8811
      @templar8811 3 роки тому +110

      And the home of the Death Korp

    • @thewildhuntsman8255
      @thewildhuntsman8255 3 роки тому +101

      *Happy gas mask noises*

    • @ordakhan631
      @ordakhan631 3 роки тому +46

      The Emperor Protects!

    • @InquisitorBoomBoom
      @InquisitorBoomBoom 3 роки тому +47

      This strategy stood up for many millennia, tried and tested by Mankind.

  • @SomeOne-ti2cz
    @SomeOne-ti2cz Рік тому +36

    Two years later, we saw how this video is totally right

  • @mrbigberd
    @mrbigberd 2 роки тому +386

    Trenches were the most humane part of WW1 despite the reputation. Before that, people were mowed down wholesale by machine guns. Soldiers were pretty safe in the trenches too. It was only when they were ordered OUT of the trenches that things got really bad (generally speaking).

    • @sharkwithnotoes3051
      @sharkwithnotoes3051 Рік тому +54

      I wouldn't describe the terribly poor conditions of the trenches humane. It's still better then running across an open field.

    • @ImtheHitcher
      @ImtheHitcher Рік тому +43

      Wouldn't call them "humane" i'd call them "a natural reaction to being mowed down in the open is to dig yourself some cover". Trenches were used quite a lot in the US civil war for the same reason

    • @toade1583
      @toade1583 Рік тому +9

      It wasn't exactly humane. It was more like, "if we don't build these, we'll all die". On August 27, 1914, France lost 27,000 men in less than a day. Machine guns were that effective against armies.

    • @Neion8
      @Neion8 Рік тому +2

      Well, until the sappers get involved that is, then you realise that static defences can turn even the ground beneath you into your enemy.

    • @devonsonger358
      @devonsonger358 Рік тому +2

      Trench foot has entered the chat.

  • @Ray-md9nr
    @Ray-md9nr 3 роки тому +2146

    There is an expression among a certain Army's infantry: "Either we bury ourselves or the enemy will do it for us."

    • @heyhoe168
      @heyhoe168 3 роки тому +67

      Wartime humour is somewhat dark.

    • @fan9775
      @fan9775 3 роки тому +2

      The swiss?

    • @lordemarsh6804
      @lordemarsh6804 3 роки тому +5

      @@fan9775 indians

    • @heyhoe168
      @heyhoe168 3 роки тому +5

      @@plebius At this point they could use shovels. In equal fight close range means death for any tank.

    • @heyhoe168
      @heyhoe168 3 роки тому +2

      @@plebius Well, relatively equal happens sometimes, but politicians usually avoid war if they see equal chances.

  • @thrash208
    @thrash208 3 роки тому +741

    Rotating manpower is essential. I've worked construction for years and seen what happens when you send the same people to do the most physically demanding jobs the quality and production goes down along with morale you need to rotate them give the guys a break and send in a refreshed worker. An excellent point made!

    • @SonsOfLorgar
      @SonsOfLorgar 3 роки тому +37

      Basic routine of field fortification work in the Swedish army when I did my conscript training was for one member of the two man fire team to work while the other prepared a snack for the one working as well as inspecting the work for potential improvements and provide encouragement until it was time to switch.

    • @hosmerhomeboy
      @hosmerhomeboy 3 роки тому +40

      You oughta talk to my last boss. 20 years, i was always the guy on the jackhammer, or getting to deal with the toxic chemicals. I've watch him burn out a lot of people sending them to environments they despise continuously. It took years, but yeah, my quality and production is tanking. I just stopped caring. Was never going to get a chance off the hammers until i couldn't hammer anymore.
      I quit a few months ago.

    • @dennisrichards2540
      @dennisrichards2540 3 роки тому +8

      Send in the apprentices!

    • @thrash208
      @thrash208 3 роки тому +12

      @@hosmerhomeboy kinda happened to me too I'd have to core manholes holding a 35lb hammer drill over your head every day for hours especially if you hit rebar and need to start over was brutal. They never rotated me because "I was dependable" "I was the fastest" "i had the most experience" "I was the best at it" all of which was true🤣 but Some days I could barely hold it up. I loved the work but it was brutal and has lead to shoulder issues. There was other things like the jumping Jack also only me on it right after coring a manhole. Loved that job though I miss it. Jack hammers are brutal after lengthy time though.

    • @hosmerhomeboy
      @hosmerhomeboy 3 роки тому +8

      @@thrash208 yeah i do the handheld coring machines too. Nothing worse than over the head and hitting rebar. Last two years were a wake up for me. Did most of a year without any days off, then one day, i just could not get out of bed. I literally couldn't move. Was in traction from my neck all the way down. It's hard to find someone else who can even do half of it with me though. Luckily, i have a good apprentice who puts in about 30% of the time on the tougher jobs now.

  • @drewalbert
    @drewalbert 3 роки тому +120

    Loved seeing this video again. Back in 95 I was part of the troops that made this video. This was filmed in Valcartier with troops that had just completed our Pioneer course.

  • @cjr4286
    @cjr4286 3 роки тому +41

    What made WW1 unique was that entire armies were spread across the entire frontline in trenches, which had unfortunate results. Trenches themselves, however, have always been and probably always be an aspect of warfare.

    • @gloriascientiae7435
      @gloriascientiae7435 Рік тому +6

      Yeah. Underrated comment. Unlike what movies tell us, for example, sieges in the classical and medieval times involved a lot of digging, building ramps, wooden pallisades and other cover. Especially romans were known to be really proficient at this, which isn't really a commonly known thing it seems.

  • @terrymcconville3659
    @terrymcconville3659 3 роки тому +768

    After years in the army I went and transferred to the Navy...No Trenches and my bed was where I left it ... but also no where to hide on a Destroyer!

    • @MichaelJohnson-qd7cq
      @MichaelJohnson-qd7cq 3 роки тому +74

      In the Army you might be able to walk/run away if things go wrong. In the Navy that is not usually an option.

    • @arya31ful
      @arya31ful 3 роки тому +28

      @Christopher Hobbit Same thing with EOD too then. you see a "Juggernaut" run, you follow.

    • @eyeballpapercut4400
      @eyeballpapercut4400 3 роки тому +10

      *flashbacks of Kriegsmarine incidents*

    • @ZaHandle
      @ZaHandle 3 роки тому

      Well torpedoes can’t walk either

    • @Ditchy69
      @Ditchy69 3 роки тому

      I envy you...you never experienced the gut wrenching realisation that you left some kit behind when you bugged out of it!

  • @jarzu3555
    @jarzu3555 3 роки тому +741

    there is a saying among the Finnish Jaegers:``Jaeger is allways moving, if not forward then downwards`` learned this while served my time in finnish military

    • @monetum1392
      @monetum1392 3 роки тому +4

      What is a "Jaeger"

    • @jockjimmy9769
      @jockjimmy9769 3 роки тому +61

      @@monetum1392 It literally means “Hunter”. It usually refers to light infantry/skirmishers rather than line infantry.

    • @TheJarric
      @TheJarric 3 роки тому +13

      @@monetum1392 basicly like rangers in usa army

    • @monetum1392
      @monetum1392 3 роки тому +22

      @@jockjimmy9769 I'm german I know what it means it's the context that confused me so thank you

    • @vincent9063
      @vincent9063 3 роки тому +18

      @@monetum1392 basically like the German Jägertruppe.

  • @ivanstepanovic1327
    @ivanstepanovic1327 3 роки тому +160

    When I was in the (Serbian) army, I was taught: "Take that shovel of yours and sharpen its edges. That is an awesome close quarters combat weapon! You can cut guys really nice with it And it's absolutely terrifying for the opponent"!

    • @johan.ohgren
      @johan.ohgren 3 роки тому +28

      Swedish army does the same. We call it Klas. Agronym for Kort Lätt Attack Spade; in english Short Light Attack Shovel. SLOS.

    • @ExperiencesAndEquipment
      @ExperiencesAndEquipment 3 роки тому +23

      A sharp shovel also slices through dirt to make digging easier.

    • @commanderbeepo8066
      @commanderbeepo8066 3 роки тому +11

      @@ExperiencesAndEquipment good for chopping roots too

    • @PhoenixT70
      @PhoenixT70 3 роки тому +12

      Sharpened e-tools were a favorite of soldiers as far back as the Great War, as they have more heft than a fighting knife and are less cumbersome than a rifle and bayonet for close quarters battle.

    • @AvanaVana
      @AvanaVana Рік тому

      It’s all wagner prison slaves get on their meat marches now

  • @DIY_Miracle
    @DIY_Miracle 3 роки тому +22

    One thing that remains consistent throughout history all the way back until the iron age is every infantryman must become highly profficient with a shovel. Even before modern firearms, infantry were expected to dig fortifications around supply lines and intermediate fortifications.

  • @homijbhabha8860
    @homijbhabha8860 3 роки тому +1304

    Imagine fighting in the trenches and then getting the order to charge the no mans land between the enemy trench and yours.
    Our grandfathers had big balls.

    • @mehmetilbasan4383
      @mehmetilbasan4383 3 роки тому +67

      Bc they didn't watch any movie which shows them how dangerous it is.

    • @matteocesa9017
      @matteocesa9017 3 роки тому +130

      My grandfather survived both ww1 and the eastern front of ww2, I dont know how, but his balls must have been massive

    • @Emanicas
      @Emanicas 3 роки тому +84

      @@mehmetilbasan4383 they knew how dangerous it was...

    • @ZaHandle
      @ZaHandle 3 роки тому +100

      @@matteocesa9017 his balls deflect the bullets

    • @wallacepgames3246
      @wallacepgames3246 3 роки тому +28

      They would have been shot too if they didn't go over the top

  • @DeadBaron
    @DeadBaron 3 роки тому +597

    "It's important to not give away your position" (starts clearing brush with a chainsaw) XD

    • @KorianHUN
      @KorianHUN 3 роки тому +60

      in eastern block doctrine, you use the earth to build a raised protective barrier in front of you, then you can camouflage it with leaves and grass. You can even dig out a small tree or shrub and place in on top. NATO soldiers will definitely not think about the DAMN SHRUB shooting at them...
      Probably comes from russian manuals who really amstered hiding during ww2.
      Compared to what is shown in the video for example, Hungarian soldiers also trained with using their combat shovels to shallow individual trenches first, but with the soil used as extra height, it was done faster, and there was no need to dispose of soil. And when moving the same soil was just shoveled back into the trench.

    • @DeadBaron
      @DeadBaron 3 роки тому +46

      @@KorianHUN I was thinking more about the sheer noise. If you're trying to quietly dig in, chainsaws can be heard for miles away

    • @robinderoos1166
      @robinderoos1166 3 роки тому +44

      @@DeadBaron yeah might as well use dynamite to dig trenches...

    • @a1marine105
      @a1marine105 3 роки тому +41

      @@robinderoos1166 sounds american let's do it

    • @michaelpettersson4919
      @michaelpettersson4919 3 роки тому +11

      @@KorianHUN It dawns on me that the camouflage needs to be fresh as well or it could give away the defensive position.

  • @redwinghawk5049
    @redwinghawk5049 3 роки тому +101

    "Throw your soldier's into positions they cannot escape, and they will prefer death to flight"
    -Sun Tzu The art of war

    • @JustinHunnicutt
      @JustinHunnicutt Рік тому +5

      I don't think this is referring to something like a trench. This quote is more related to having your soilders fight on an island vs an island with a bridge on which they can run away. A cornered animal fights harder than one that has the option to flee.

    • @Spartan0430
      @Spartan0430 Рік тому

      @@JustinHunnicutt or cornering the enemy on a beach or any impassable terrain

    • @KyranFindlater
      @KyranFindlater Рік тому +9

      Sun Tzu also said, never entrap your enemy's soldiers such that they can always flee, because if you trap them, they will fight to the death more viciously than if they have the option to flee.

    • @Spartan0430
      @Spartan0430 Рік тому +3

      @@KyranFindlater the british even learned to master this principle with artillery. heavy shelling forces soldiers to stay down but if you keep it somewhat sporadic it gives those soldiers the opportunity to abandon their positions.

    • @hakeemblake3653
      @hakeemblake3653 Рік тому

      ​@@JustinHunnicuttI think he's referring to the Russian conscripts who have no motivation to be in Ukraine

  • @vladislavshevchenko634
    @vladislavshevchenko634 Рік тому +18

    In the Russian army we had a manual of surviving in the modern day battlefield and about 20% of the manual was dedicated to entrenched and 5 % to finding cover from artillery if there are no trenches or foxholes nearby.

    • @ttrestle
      @ttrestle Рік тому +1

      If I may respectfully, I’d love to know your thoughts on the current war in Ukraine. Personally, as an American, I tend to believe that a sovereign democratic Ukraine has the right to exist, regardless, if it struggles with issues like corruption, and some people being far right fascist conservatives. I believe that Russia itself is far more fascist than Ukraine, and is led by an authoritarian dictator. I believe Russia illegally invaded Ukraine in an unprovoked aggression based on propaganda that honestly didn’t make much sense and continues to change. I find it fascinating that anyone can support this war. It reminds me of the second Iraq war, which I also think was illegal and unprovoked, even if Saddam Hussein did need to be removed from power. Wow, that war may have had noble goals along with flat out. Lies on why we invaded, ultimately our miss management, directly after we top of the government lead to disastrous results. America should not have invaded Iraq the second time and should not have managed the country the way it did after “winning.“ But back to Ukraine, I’d love to know your thoughts as a Russian, who is in the military. But I understand you might not be willing or able to give them as I know other Russians, who are really against the war, but don’t want to talk about it Online. Which honestly makes sense when you’re dealing with a fascist authoritarian dictatorship like Russia. Anyway, I really hope Ukraine removes Russia entirely including Crimea and is able to then join NATO and the European Union so they have some form of security and safety as they continue to try and grow and prosper as a sovereign democracy, who is truly independent and free.

    • @vladislavshevchenko634
      @vladislavshevchenko634 Рік тому +3

      I think that both countries are wrong in this war. Before the army i was in an organization which was aiming at toppling the government of 3 countries namely Russian Ukrainian and Belarusian and creative a confederate socialist country. Now this organization is illegal in Ukraine after our actions in a Ukrainian coup that has removed a pro-russian Ukrainian president. However we were unable to take the power. Upon being conscripted (forced into the Russian army) i couldn't have been associated with any political parties or movements (especially left radical ones). I think that this "war" (it's illegal to call it a "war" in Russia BTW as it's called "Special military operation"). So in short i wish that both Russian and Ukrainian people realize their main enemies (which are their own governments) and help each other liberate from them.

    • @evangelosvasiliades1204
      @evangelosvasiliades1204 Рік тому +5

      @@ttrestle I think a world where we all understand eachother, is a better world, so to pass on a few words. None of your opinions are 'bad' they are what one would expect from an American. America is a country that has the safety of two oceans to make being invaded unlikely, nonetheless it wants nearby countries to see things their way, the US uses a variety of tools today and historically to make sure latin america stays friendly to it, and is fairly hostile to them when they arent, see Cuba, Venezuela, the invasions of Grenada and Panama. This is the mindset of a great power, and Russia sees nations on it's borders in the same way, a Ukraine that is actively hostile to it and arming itself is threatening and humiliating alike. From the perspective of the Kremlin the war is pretty simple, and something that has been on the cards since 2014, something which really was an inevitability given the west from that moment on had the full intent to use Ukraine as a place to oppose Russia, calling it unprovoked is absurd (not to say it is justifiable or moral), and propaganda has nothing to do with it, that is a tool of the state to explain it's actions to the people.
      From the perspective of common people, most Russians simply are apathetic, not because they don't care about human life, but because they have grown up understanding they have no power over their government, so whether it's in the right or the wrong they don't have a reason to care, certainly not before it effects them personally. They will view it as a tragedy in the way every war is, amplified by a genuine view that Ukrainians are a brother people, they might be more positive towards the war or negative, but ultimately they try not to think about it. Of course there are Russians more openly critical, and more openly supportive. For those who support the war, the reasoning is simple, they are patriots and view serving their country as important, the propaganda might make it easier for them, convince more people in the middle surely, but someone who finds serving the motherland morally good, will do so regardless of propaganda.
      And importantly even if you aren't particularly pro war, once it starts, one naturally wants victory over the prospect of thousands of their sons and fathers having died for nothing. Especially if there are very real negative consequences that are easy to imagine from losing.

    • @ttrestle
      @ttrestle Рік тому +1

      @@vladislavshevchenko634 you believe both countries are wrong with the war? Omg I just lost so much respect for you. Imagine someone broke into you home and killed some of your family and refused to leave some of your rooms. Would you believe both parties, the homeowner and the invader, are both wrong? Jesus Christ man. What has happened to so many Russians with the propaganda they’re soaking up from the fascist authoritarian dictatorship that runs the state media? It honestly reminds me of books I’ve read about Nazi German where the population grew ever more tired of war towards the mid 1940s yet still thought the illegal invasion and killing of civilians and soldiers of so many sovereign European democracies was justified just because German fascist civilians were so indoctrinated into state propaganda. It’s sad to think you are the same way. I hope you break free of mind forged manacles in the future and realize that a sovereign, independent, democratic Ukraine has the right exist… especially free from illegal invasion and occupation by a fascist authoritarian Russian dictatorship.

    • @ttrestle
      @ttrestle Рік тому +1

      @@evangelosvasiliades1204 that’s fine to say we should all get along but you do realize that Ukraine never provoked Russia right? Even the leader of Wag er recently admitted that Ukraine was not shelling eastern Ukraine and Russia illegally invaded in 2014 and illegally annexed Crimea. I mean, it’s just so naïve to say we should all get along when one side is doing the unprovoked aggression, illegal invasion, and occupation. Ukraine literally just wants the right to exist as a free democratic country. They wouldn’t even care about joining NATO if Russia wasn’t constantly Acting like a fascist authoritarian dictatorship that kills civilians and politicians, illegally, invades, other countries like Georgia and Ukraine, etc. Yes, I’m an American, and maybe I am naïve to want a rules, based civilized global order where countries have the right to be independent and free. But guess what, that’s the right attitude to have. we are legitimately the good guys for thinking this way. Even if some countries are corrupt and need to improve, it’s better to be a sovereign democracy, working to improve that it is to illegal invade another country and kill rape in torture it’s civilians and soldiers.

  • @Taistelukalkkuna
    @Taistelukalkkuna 3 роки тому +668

    "If you can´t remember, claymore is pointing your way."
    - Murphy -

    • @w.murphy5151
      @w.murphy5151 3 роки тому +7

      This actually happened to a guy on my basic..no joke

    • @BullsMahunny
      @BullsMahunny 3 роки тому +45

      @@w.murphy5151 "FRONT TOWARDS ENEMY" Whatever do these mysterious scribings mean, I wonder?

    • @w.murphy5151
      @w.murphy5151 3 роки тому +12

      @@BullsMahunny haha that's why everyone was so confused, "mate it's written on the bloody thing"

    • @anotherarmchairhistorian2831
      @anotherarmchairhistorian2831 3 роки тому +8

      One would think it's dummy proof but in basic we had guys setting them up backwards.

    • @7th_CAV_Trooper
      @7th_CAV_Trooper 3 роки тому +5

      Then you're your own worst enemy and the claymore is facing the right way. Front toward...

  • @cavtastic5523
    @cavtastic5523 3 роки тому +655

    It's really crazy actually, a lot of US Army units have started doing this type of training again, especially since the renewed effort to make us a Force on Force type of Army.

    • @PrograError
      @PrograError 3 роки тому +19

      Well... Technically the drainage of the Afghan and Pakistan countryside are the trench of the ISAF...

    • @Justin-yt7pi
      @Justin-yt7pi 3 роки тому +18

      The US army has become the Cringe Nato forces

    • @cavtastic5523
      @cavtastic5523 3 роки тому +4

      @@eyazz5410 I was thinking about a more emphasized certain type of trenches that involve a certain near peer style

    • @oban6051
      @oban6051 3 роки тому +33

      I’m up in Alaska and we haven’t been doing much trench digging but we’ve been going hard on the arctic training to prep for a fight with Russia. Just got back from two weeks in -30 to -60. Shit sucks.

    • @StrangeTerror
      @StrangeTerror 3 роки тому +6

      @@oban6051 fuck... that...

  • @nesra8786
    @nesra8786 3 роки тому +35

    3:1 for defensive, 5:1 for fortification not including force multiplier or int. Basically if you are planning for a raw engagement a 4:1 ratio is a good starting point. Remember the plan that survives contact with the enemy is a simple and clear one.

  • @merctrooper
    @merctrooper Рік тому +9

    This video aged so well

  • @andrewgillis3073
    @andrewgillis3073 3 роки тому +172

    I was in the US Army for twenty three years, and yes, I dug a lot of fighting positions, even though I was not infantry. The engineers have CEE (combat emplacement excavator) to help dig trenches and bunkers. The materiel such as sand bags, stakes and shoring would be supplied by the engineers at the brigade or battalion level. When I was in Germany, my unit had some problem with metric tons versus imperial tons. At one point, our S-3 commented that we would needs "a butt load of barrier material" The main support Battalion commander didn't miss a beat and asked, "Is that a metric or imperial butt load?"

  • @revolverDOOMGUY
    @revolverDOOMGUY 3 роки тому +395

    Everyone feels gangsta in theyr trench untill the airburst ammo starts raining.

    • @1337flite
      @1337flite 3 роки тому +106

      Three words/letters for you bud - OHP - overhead protetion. At least 60cm of earth hard pakced over wriggly tin, supported by thick wood or stell angle pickets.
      The real scary thing these days for troops in trecnches is thermobaric munitions which are designed to cause massive over pressure and can create vaccums too.
      Think fuel air explosion.
      I believe some countries have developed man portable versions, packaged like disposable anti tank weapons - scary AF.

    • @Marinealver
      @Marinealver 3 роки тому +20

      Need a light? 🔥

    • @AdotLOM
      @AdotLOM 3 роки тому +5

      @@1337flite Probably the best counter for trenches these days.

    • @MUJUNKY
      @MUJUNKY 3 роки тому +18

      @@1337flite Russia has one for the RPG-7, its a massive rocket. There are some videos floating around of their usage in chechnya and other conflicts. The USMC has one for the SMAW but I don't know how common it is. excellent weapon for dealing with bunkers, caves, or otherwise hard to destroy positions with conventional explosives.

    • @sneakyfeats2353
      @sneakyfeats2353 3 роки тому +26

      @@1337flite Yep, a number of countries, including USA. Russia in particular is fond of thermobarics. They have bombs, artillery, rockets, and man-portable thermobarics in VERY large quantities and use them often. Check out the RPO (man-portable) and TOS-1 (Tank chassis with essentially a short-range mlrs turret). They're pretty badass if you're not on the recieving end lol.

  • @luckystriker7489
    @luckystriker7489 Рік тому +11

    I was a South African conscript infantryman in 1990 and although I was too young to participate in the border war, we did train for conventional warfare, especially during JLs. Our doctrine was to dig stage 2 trenches and never beyond that. The reason was that squads were kept mobile all of the time. We never spent more than 2 nights in a trench. Hated sleeping in a trench when it rained.

  • @reddevilparatrooper
    @reddevilparatrooper Рік тому +11

    Korea was another aspect of trench warfare also. Soldiers had to dig trenches along hillsides to maintain a defensive line. The Chinese and North Koreans did the same to hold strategic hills and points also.

  • @haalstaag
    @haalstaag 3 роки тому +388

    I was in Mortars, we had our trenched dug for us by the Engineers, we just finished them off

    • @chuckhainsworth4801
      @chuckhainsworth4801 3 роки тому +44

      Luxury, bloody luxury. I was in a Canadian Mortar Platoon in the 70s, and we generally dug our own pits.

    • @haalstaag
      @haalstaag 3 роки тому +24

      @@chuckhainsworth4801 lol when I did my original mortar course, we had to dig our own (along with six bays, three for ammo three for sleeping) but from then on....engineers sorted the main dig, we just sorted it all out

    • @haalstaag
      @haalstaag 3 роки тому +8

      @@chuckhainsworth4801 plus, we were mechanised so stuck to our 432 most of the time

    • @arx3516
      @arx3516 3 роки тому +36

      You killed the engineers?

    • @chuckhainsworth4801
      @chuckhainsworth4801 3 роки тому +5

      @@haalstaag didn't have tracks in my Bn. Dodge 3/4 universal carrier, or one cramped, beat to hell, old truck.

  • @edi9892
    @edi9892 3 роки тому +210

    As a kid, I tried to bury a _treasure_ and I didn't get 10cm deep with my steel shovel! It was just stones held together by roots covered by a little dirt...

    • @PhazonSouffle
      @PhazonSouffle 3 роки тому +32

      No wonder my plastic beach spade didn't work!

    • @1Maklak
      @1Maklak 3 роки тому +19

      Yeah, even digging a grave for a pet is pretty hard. On top of that (heh), soil has layers, so there can be topsoil with roots, then a layer of stones mixed with clay and sand.

    • @edi9892
      @edi9892 3 роки тому +33

      @@1Maklak bit off-topic: not far from where I live a storm toppled an old tree and the roots ripped a skeleton out of its grave! If I remember it correctly, the ribs showed indentations typical for stab wounds and thus it became a CSI. However, it turns out that the corpse lay there for 700 years!
      Another regional story gives me the chills: a peasant wanted to plant trees and dug up two big buckets with what he initially considered coins, but turned out to be all dog tags of 200 men who are still MIA since WWII!

    • @1Maklak
      @1Maklak 3 роки тому +2

      @@edi9892 Nice, I only ever find trash, rocks and animal bones.

    • @edi9892
      @edi9892 3 роки тому +6

      @@1Maklak I once found a 100 year old stove apparently taken away by a really bad flood and my mother found quite a number of fossils, but they were thrown away and she got beaten because girls don't play with rocks... #catholic_parenting

  • @almightytwee1188
    @almightytwee1188 Рік тому +5

    This aged very welll

  • @johnloman2098
    @johnloman2098 Рік тому +3

    Crazy how relevant was video became since it was put out

  • @Marinealver
    @Marinealver 3 роки тому +108

    Death Korps of Krieg: My Time has come.

  • @patrickchallis5063
    @patrickchallis5063 3 роки тому +297

    Love the ground in Europe and North America in these films, all my digging experience in Australia was in ground packed like concrete with lots of large rocks. One hole went through three entrenching tools!

    • @amorphoussolid8512
      @amorphoussolid8512 3 роки тому +37

      Hey! I found some lovely soft soil at home. Granted it was from Bunnings and I had to use a pickaxe to make the hole for it. But after hours of hot, sweaty, sweary work I had made enough space for a bush. Of course the bush died after a couple of weeks but that soil stayed soft for almost two days!

    • @TheKiltedGerman
      @TheKiltedGerman 3 роки тому +12

      Nothing but clay in North Carolina.
      In Afghanistan, we used HE to try to hammer our stakes down for our wire. Bent the damn things.
      Some soil isn't meant to be dug, and only brute force can fix that problem.

    • @alexanderbarkman7832
      @alexanderbarkman7832 3 роки тому +42

      I was temporarily on Gotland (Island in the baltic sea) and told the soldiers to dig foxholes.
      I came back a few hours later and asked if they where done, the said the foxholes was deep enough to lie in. I told them of and said they should be standing in them.
      Came back another few hours later and realised I hadn't considered the whole island is made of stone.

    • @goforbroke4428
      @goforbroke4428 3 роки тому +2

      Patrick Challis sounds like here in central Texas.

    • @StrangeTerror
      @StrangeTerror 3 роки тому +4

      @@TheKiltedGerman 😆 I'm from Charlotte. I'll do every job I've ever had again accept dig holes. Fucking red clay. It's like digging through bricks for those of you that don't know.

  • @aus71383
    @aus71383 3 роки тому +27

    In the U.S. this is called a "fighting position", trench implies a continuous zigzag line as is commonly depicted in WW1 footage.

    • @jekabsojarsulskis9740
      @jekabsojarsulskis9740 3 роки тому +2

      Explosion force waves couse less trauma in a 90 degree zig zag becouse the steep turns take some of that force. Ingenius I have to say.

    • @Tokito935
      @Tokito935 3 роки тому +10

      @@jekabsojarsulskis9740 it's also because if an enemi jumps in the trench, they don't have a direct line of fire

    • @stupidburp
      @stupidburp 3 роки тому

      A short trench is one type of fighting position

  • @stupidburp
    @stupidburp 3 роки тому +12

    One important feature mentioned only briefly is angling the floor and digging a trench or pit in your trench for use as a grenade sump. In theory this will cause grenades to roll down in to the sump and contain some of the blast. This is also quite useful as a drain for rainwater to keep it less muddy. Can even be used as a latrine in a pinch if you absolutely cannot leave your position.

  • @GenMav
    @GenMav 3 роки тому +169

    "The addition of this easy to remove, overhead cover will further shield them from the heat of nuclear weapons..."
    You uh... sure about that? I guess in theory they'd quite away from ground zero but still...

    • @LoisoPondohva
      @LoisoPondohva 3 роки тому +76

      The protection from the heat, gamma-burst and the blastwave are extremely noticeable.
      Most of the thermal effect from NW is transferred via light, that means - it travels in a straight line and is stopped by opaque materials. Just lying in a ditch or behind a car can cut the minimum survival distance up to 7 times.
      Blast wave is trickier, as it creates low pressure zones and pressure gradients, but a couple of meters of dirt can be a difference between torn eardrums and torn lungs.
      So, of course, you're not surviving in an epicenter, but at a distance even "duck and cover" DOES matter, and trenches are life saving.

    • @darthsarcastus1064
      @darthsarcastus1064 3 роки тому +8

      @@LoisoPondohva agreed 18 inches of earth will stop you being zapped with gamma radiation and dissipate the heat but it's the blast wave and overpressure that will do the damage if your protection isn't constructed well!

    • @jwadaow
      @jwadaow 3 роки тому +4

      @@darthsarcastus1064 The lethality of those effects is much less with increasing distance.

    • @Snagabott
      @Snagabott 3 роки тому +14

      If you doubt the value of protection against nuclear weapons, consider the case of Eizo Nomura. He survived Hiroshima at a range of 170 _meters_ from the hypocenter. Yes, you guessed it: he was in a concrete basement. Actually, there were supposedly 7 others who were able to walk away from that building, although none of the others made it out - but at least it wasn't instantly game over, and soldiers would know what they were dealing with and take steps to remedy the worst secondary effects.

    • @Terinjim
      @Terinjim 3 роки тому +5

      When I served in 1979 our training included " friendly nuclear attack" which means using nuclear weapons to clear the way forward if conditions were failing and needed to use. But the poncho on top of fighting hole is to keep nuclear fall-out ( ash, dust, debris) but also gamma ray burst protection from being blinded from the light and also small false sense of security in order to keep yourself calm.. I remember digging a large 2 man fighting position in Washington State.... all 🪨rocks! Have fun, stay safe. Ft . Lewis 9th Infantry division.

  • @minhducnguyen674
    @minhducnguyen674 3 роки тому +245

    Even in the Vietnam War, it has been proven that although trenches are no more impervious to modern artillery and airpower, they still greatly reduce the potency of artillery bombardment. Modern portable AT weapons also make breaking through entrenched positions with tanks more risky.The same applies to MANPADs.The trenches are just more proactive in it's way of defense.

    • @Marinealver
      @Marinealver 3 роки тому +30

      Fox-holes > Open Ground
      Trenches > Fox-holes
      Caves > Trenches

    • @minhducnguyen674
      @minhducnguyen674 3 роки тому +48

      @@Marinealver Cave are just free bunkers and everyone love free stuffs.

    • @MrSquigglies
      @MrSquigglies 3 роки тому +15

      @@minhducnguyen674 *insert free real estate meme*

    • @josephpostma1787
      @josephpostma1787 3 роки тому

      @@minhducnguyen674 Fires HEAT rounds just above the cave.

    • @JarthenGreenmeadow
      @JarthenGreenmeadow 3 роки тому +4

      @@josephpostma1787 >laughs in Iwo Jima

  • @onyx1391
    @onyx1391 3 роки тому +6

    "Dig you beggars, dig! When those whizzbangs come over you will always wish you'd dug deeper!"

  • @stephenpowstinger733
    @stephenpowstinger733 Рік тому +8

    I experienced many trenches and foxholes in Vietnam 1968. Even dug a few, and filled many sandbags. Some of the trenches were sophisticated but most were rough. You definitely felt better in one than out in the open.

  • @barryfirth1187
    @barryfirth1187 3 роки тому +99

    My most memorable experience in trenches was in Wainwright, Alberta.
    -40,trenches dug and as I scan the area with binoculars I see in the far distance a house, for we were at the very edge of the training area.
    As I peer into the big picture window, I see buddy boy on his lazyboy with beer in hand watching a hockey game.
    But I did keep warm cursing his dark soul!!🤪

    • @HazmatUnit
      @HazmatUnit 3 роки тому +13

      Well at least he wasn't watching you guys with binoculars

    • @Terinjim
      @Terinjim 3 роки тому +2

      Ahhhh camp wainwright Alberta Canada, I was there training back in 1980-81 I remembered the brutal onslaught of the black flies & mosquitoes during American/Canadian military exercise. I was in the 9th infantry division from Ft. Lewis WA. Had a great time, good time, great experience with you good neighbors. 👍

  • @BourneCreations
    @BourneCreations 3 роки тому +163

    It's been awhile, but I remember the US Army (80's- 90's) used to dictate that the longer you are in a position, you would start building a defense. From hasty positions to fighting positions to more detailed and complex defenses. Overhead cover, defense in depth, LP/OP's, security patrols. At the time I served we were focused on fighting the Soviets in Europe, so there's that.

  • @dogenalds
    @dogenalds 3 роки тому +19

    Trenches: exist
    Siberian permafrost: I'm about to end this man's whole career

    • @heyhoe168
      @heyhoe168 3 роки тому

      Думаешь в декабре 41 земля была мягче?

  • @VentiVonOsterreich
    @VentiVonOsterreich 3 роки тому +3

    Trench warfare existed as old as the dawn of modern warfare - during the Thirty Years War, armies dug trenches when besieging highly impervious bastion forts to slowly creep in towards the walls while the earth offered excellent protection against musketballs and round shot.

  • @CharliMorganMusic
    @CharliMorganMusic 3 роки тому +306

    Until someone figures out a better way to create cover without carrying it, trenches will never go away.

    • @michaelpettersson4919
      @michaelpettersson4919 3 роки тому +18

      Mobile fortifications have existed since ancient times. The most commonly known being the pavise, a huge stand alone shield crossbowmen hid behind when rewinding their weapons. They did have to carry them however until deployed. An undeployed pavise where typically carried on the back offering protection simply by turning around.
      Another solution we a mobile wall on wheels that soldiers pushed forward while enjoying its protection. Some of thease old ideas could probably, on occation, be useful even today, at least by the police's SWAT teams.

    • @lawrencemorris2261
      @lawrencemorris2261 3 роки тому +1

      @@michaelpettersson4919 interesting. I came up with that exact same solution. I added on to it however; the wall can move around it's protection through folding and rotating joints. It would be similar to a mobile personell shield, but much more practical and operated standing up. This allows it to quickly give protection behind it in case of grenades and an attack from behind. Also, I came up with the idea that it can step with rotating feet rather than rolling. What do you think?

    • @michaelpettersson4919
      @michaelpettersson4919 3 роки тому +3

      @@lawrencemorris2261 Sounds good. Should be good against small arms fire at least, hench why I mentioned SWAT teams.

    • @lawrencemorris2261
      @lawrencemorris2261 3 роки тому +1

      @@michaelpettersson4919 well actually, I reckon it should be rated to stop the highest expected round for it's situation. That could be NIJ standard level III for civilian threats, but whatever the case, it should provide maximum protection to multiple people behind it as it makes them a bigger target for explosives. Also, it definitely should have multiple personell utilizing it, at least three.
      Maybe it should hold a secondary assault shield or smaller wheeled body shield for when soldiers enter closer quarters combat. Maybe it should have the ability to add and remove panels, while operators carryy tack on handles as a part of their gear.

    • @michaelpettersson4919
      @michaelpettersson4919 3 роки тому +2

      @@lawrencemorris2261 Be careful not to put on too many features thou or you may as well call in an APC! 😉

  • @flailingelbows7073
    @flailingelbows7073 3 роки тому +57

    9:43 - Neat training story behind this little bit. When I was going through Infantry OSUT during our one of our FTXs We as OPFOR had dug an entire entrenches position ontop of a small hill amongst a few shallower ones and even elevated the positions a little bit with sandbags. Fixing it up with transplanted grass we cut up : branches and small growth.
    20 Guys all tucked down with 3 M240s, 2 .50s, and a bunch of SAWs and M4s and during the day 2 searching platoons never found us, walking right by us at the base of the hill. At night all 4 platoons were combing the area and we were so well camouflaged that they walked right through us at either side of the hill. 1 guy stepped into a 240 Shelf we had dug out for the 240 Tripod but since it was at night he thought he just stepped into a hog hole and kept going.

  • @matthewg.305
    @matthewg.305 3 роки тому +2

    Really like commentary and practical tips that I think some of us professionals forget.
    Having proper tools and not just your personal entrenching tool for a deliberate defense is critical in speeding up the work.

  • @theimmortal4718
    @theimmortal4718 3 роки тому +7

    This is one of the main reasons the Carl Gustav is amazing. Everything from airburst, thermobaric, to bunk buster rounds. It's essential in trench warfare.

  • @Jason-iz6ob
    @Jason-iz6ob 3 роки тому +80

    I’ve dug plenty of fighting positions. Never an actual “trench” though. But, even when I was in mech units I never saw a frickin chainsaw..... Are those guys engineers???

    • @stupidburp
      @stupidburp 3 роки тому +3

      Chainsaws are really handy for creating road blocks in woods too.

    • @kennetth1389
      @kennetth1389 3 роки тому +5

      Old 12b here, the chainsaws were kept for those times where speed was more important, ripsaws are preferred when opfor scouts may be about.

  • @TheRay21420
    @TheRay21420 3 роки тому +65

    Everywhere army r&d tries mounting guns and rockets on robots. When they should build one that accompanies the troops on all terrains and shovels a 6' by 2.5' foxhole in 15 mins. (average 45-60 mins for us by hand)

    • @jlasud
      @jlasud 3 роки тому +6

      I've seen trench digging machinery from ww2.

    • @wpatrickw2012
      @wpatrickw2012 2 роки тому +1

      It’s called a backhoe 🙃

    • @BoleDaPole
      @BoleDaPole 2 роки тому

      Why do that when shovels work just as well, and are cheaper?

  • @BigSauce_
    @BigSauce_ Рік тому +6

    This aged well

  • @daxisperry7644
    @daxisperry7644 3 роки тому +1

    Trench Construction was one of my FAVORITE subjects when I went through Combat Engineer school in the United States Marine Corps. We called it Survivability. Didn’t do really any of it after the schoolhouse. Real shame because I really enjoyed it. Thanks for the video!

  • @garrysekelli6776
    @garrysekelli6776 3 роки тому +57

    If someone could sell a t-shirt that had "front toward enemy practice" printed on the front. I would buy it.

    • @alinghi008
      @alinghi008 3 роки тому +4

      there are a few if you google search for it.First one i found was by rjoapparel (front-toward-enemy)

  • @conscript900
    @conscript900 3 роки тому +48

    And here regularly i was thinking about how im hopeless on the modern battlefield as my mental specialty is digging in, fortification and defensive static positions, seeing that your saying trench warfare hasnt gone away at all. Means im still effective to some degree. WOO!

  • @RookRiot1
    @RookRiot1 Рік тому +3

    In the US Army we just called these fighting positions. Technically it is a trench but that term was more used for the long interconnected networks of fighting positions. As a combat engineer in mostly mechanized units we dug plenty of these things and even had a small excavator vehicle that could do most of the backbreaking work in minutes alongside a crew of M9 Ace earthmovers to dig fighting and hide positions for the vehicles.

  • @steffenjespersen247
    @steffenjespersen247 2 роки тому +3

    Good video :)
    Yea still remember my time as a recruit we were only asked to dig a 2-person trench once.
    But it was on a 4 day training patrol and we only had our folding "Entrenching Tool" that was like 5+ hours of back breaking work. (fase 2 trench)
    What we would not have given for a real shovel :)

  • @la-zrider2749
    @la-zrider2749 3 роки тому +53

    A couple of years ago, during my last year at school, since it was the 100th anniversary of WW1, I did a Powerpoint about the technological evolution of the Great War.
    When I talked about the trenches, at the end, I inserted a slide titled "When trenches stopped being used".
    It only contained a video recorded from a Gopro in a muddy trench in Donbass in 2016.
    It was my way to say "Never".

  • @_Matsimus_
    @_Matsimus_  3 роки тому +402

    Have you been in or trained/fought in trenches in your service? What’s your experiences? If you haven’t then what do you think about the importance of trenches on the battlefield?

    • @karlvongazenberg8398
      @karlvongazenberg8398 3 роки тому +50

      Dig in. Dig deeper. Camo. And most importanly - HAVE SEVERAL WAYS TO GT*O is the thing hits the fan.

    • @seandalton1709
      @seandalton1709 3 роки тому +30

      One of the most memorable "isms" that my NCOs told me was that "sweat saves lives"

    • @janwitts2688
      @janwitts2688 3 роки тому +25

      When I was about 9 I practiced building a trench system in our backgarden (it had a very large cultivated area and it was between crops) .. I used old field diagrams and made sure not to have any long straight bits... I could never get enough wood but made do with some old sheeting... do the army still intend to connect the indivisual fire positions into or with a main trench or is that not done for some reason (maybe aerial vulnerability)

    • @brothersofthetrident2647
      @brothersofthetrident2647 3 роки тому +6

      I live in Canada and I want to join the army I am 14 any advice?

    • @Sajuuk
      @Sajuuk 3 роки тому +10

      SWAPO dug trenches around their bases in Angola but it didn't help them much when the SADF attacked them.

  • @pyroshilov8474
    @pyroshilov8474 3 роки тому

    finally something good the YT algorithm recommended at long last. fascinating to know just how vital a doctrine so simple yet so crucial is even in the age of Mechanised fast moving warfare. a real treat of a vid love the first hand experience to give it credibility

  • @sergeantscumbag2116
    @sergeantscumbag2116 Рік тому +2

    "the more things change the more they stay the same"

  • @ANWRocketMan
    @ANWRocketMan 3 роки тому +228

    My ancestors fought yours in trenches 120 years ago, they have existed since ancient times even in siege battles etc. I doubt they will go anywhere either, though I have no direct military experience.

    • @davidyu3815
      @davidyu3815 3 роки тому +2

      Nope, trenches are obsolete. They get more and more obsolete as weapons and tactics become more modern.
      1. To defeat a trench, all you gotta do is form a spearhead and flank around the trench to attack targets in the rear and as the trench falls back to regroup the rear, you hit both the trench and the trench defenders who are out in the open - basically sandwiching the defenders. .
      2. If a trench is long across, it just means the trench cannot possibly be heavily defended in all parts by defenses. You again, concentrate all forces into a spear tip and penetrate through the weakest line of the trench > then encircle its defenders. This is why trenches became pretty much useless in WW2 and Hitler's "blitzkrieg" aka mechanized warfare with tanks are designed to overcome trench warfare.
      However, the reason why Soviet trench systems were still effective was because they had "defense in depth" basically huge layered defenses (not one static line like WW1), but multiple decently defended lines where it can absorb and nullify a bulk of hitler's blitzkrieg at the battle of the kursk.
      3. On a side note, the increase in air power and artillery power and the cheaper costs of fielding them means you just use enough firepower against the trench until the trench breaks...which it usually does.
      4. Furthermore, penetrator ordanance and bunker busters make trenches even more obsolete.

    • @fus132
      @fus132 3 роки тому +15

      @@davidyu3815 Singling out the trench outside of the counters of it's counters makes your point completely null and void.

    • @davidyu3815
      @davidyu3815 3 роки тому +2

      ​@@fus132 I don't get what your comment means. I'm not the one that's just saying this, wiki says it too. Trenches are obsolete. There's a reason why static trenches are replaced with "defense in depth".
      And before trenches...CASTLES which were also static defenses became obsolete with the invention of GUNPOWDER and ARTILLERY.
      A static trench like I already mentioned and in the wiki can easily be flanked and destroyed.

    • @nonnaurbisness3013
      @nonnaurbisness3013 3 роки тому +14

      @@davidyu3815 damn you need to let the world's militaries know

    • @jwadaow
      @jwadaow 3 роки тому +10

      @@davidyu3815 That's an exaggeration. You are safer in a trench than outside the trench. It's not like making a castle which take years to construct. You have manpower on hand in a static position and they increase their defensive advantage as they prepare the ground. There are the gamut of additional advantages with occupying the men in useful activity.

  • @janwitts2688
    @janwitts2688 3 роки тому +75

    Fieldworks are thousands of years old.. likely right back to prehistory ..
    They were proportionally greater during medieval times than in ww1 given the small population but propensity for sieges

    • @cdgonepotatoes4219
      @cdgonepotatoes4219 3 роки тому +4

      16th century, as the figure of the handgunner rose and star fortresses were set.
      Sieges were basically advancing a trench until you were close enough to the walls the enemy couldn't point their cannons downwards, if I recall it.

    • @janwitts2688
      @janwitts2688 3 роки тому

      By the late 1450s they had mortars

    • @cdgonepotatoes4219
      @cdgonepotatoes4219 3 роки тому

      @@janwitts2688 yeah but it took a while for warfare to develop to the point trench warfare became a thing, the 16th is broadly speaking where that turning point happened for most

    • @piranhaplantX
      @piranhaplantX 3 роки тому +6

      @@cdgonepotatoes4219 even before that, you'd get a few sieges like the battle of Alesia. Where Ceaser built two layers of walls around a city. One to seige it, and another around that to defend from any reinforcements. Insane stuff just to take over a city.

  • @cale262
    @cale262 3 роки тому +4

    During fighting in the Medak pocket, hastily made trenches were the game changer for Canadian forces in thwarting the superior number attacking them. I wasn't there at the time but reflections from friends in my unit (PPCLI), they described this in detail to me.

  • @utzius8003
    @utzius8003 3 роки тому +4

    What people often forget about modern trench warfare is that not only have the weapons to blow up trenches gotten quicker and more accurate, but trenches can now be dug and subsequently abandoned far quicker today.

    • @fayhay8011
      @fayhay8011 Рік тому

      Late reply but do they use any machinery to dig trenches?

  • @Panzer4F2
    @Panzer4F2 3 роки тому +54

    The best place to be during an artillery bombardment is somewhere else. I have seen film footage of heavy artillery fire hitting an area that included a perfectly set up low wire entanglement. The earth itself was heaving into the air, and the wire and obstacles would rise and fall along with it. Every subsequent shell seemed to have the same effect on the disturbed ground. Even with over head protection, the concussion would knock you senseless, and probably bury you, and all your sandbags and revetting material. It can be a delicate balance though. In World War One the Germans dug really deep whenever possible, and yet in the Gulf War the American armoured engineering vehicles basically buried the Iraqis in their own positions.

    • @whereswaldo5740
      @whereswaldo5740 3 роки тому

      The Germans may have dug deep but not as deep as the Brits.
      Peeky Blinders.

    • @deusvult6920
      @deusvult6920 2 роки тому

      @@whereswaldo5740 that one time the brits dug under the Germans and blew up like an entire regiment

  • @blksubiesti
    @blksubiesti 3 роки тому +27

    How many times I heard the mumbling profanities as we re-entered our defensive line and got caught in our own wire

  • @nicholasjones7774
    @nicholasjones7774 Рік тому

    LOL the "hardcore' roman opening followed by the Kermit the Frag voice was such a shock. I am loving the quality of video and analysis; but i was shocked. I look forward to hearing more from the swamp!

  • @Braun30
    @Braun30 3 роки тому +2

    Once did an exercise at Army Corps level in Switzerland.
    Named "Mole" it meant we had three days to dig ourselves in the ground.
    Meaning transforming the landscape in a brown network of trenches, dugouts, deposits and posts.
    The next ten days were spent filling all the holes up.

  • @CharliMorganMusic
    @CharliMorganMusic 3 роки тому +166

    Of all the wars I wouldn't want to fight in, the American Civil War is at the top of the list, but WWI is just a hair lower.

    • @goofyfoot2001
      @goofyfoot2001 3 роки тому +9

      I hope we don't relive the American Civil War but I think the left can't help themselves and will push us into one.

    • @crocfighter.1322
      @crocfighter.1322 3 роки тому +46

      @@goofyfoot2001 Bruh. “I dont want another civil war but...” is how every civil war starts. Just chill and wait a while, these things always blow over.

    • @PHOBOS1708
      @PHOBOS1708 3 роки тому +9

      at least, there was no gas used during civil war. that's why it was used during WW1. to get the soldiers out of their trenches

    • @monetum1392
      @monetum1392 3 роки тому +38

      @@goofyfoot2001 I'm sorry WHO THE FUCK STORMED THE CAPITOL if I may ask?

    • @bravo6959
      @bravo6959 3 роки тому +5

      @@monetum1392 lol

  • @johnniecameron8829
    @johnniecameron8829 3 роки тому +7

    As a construction worker,,trenches can be terrible hot,,muddy,,collapse danger

    • @heinrichnitschke5485
      @heinrichnitschke5485 3 роки тому +1

      Had a buddy get trapped in a trench up to his nose. Broken ribs. Crushed wrist. He was lucky. Another guy on the crew dug him out by hand. Saved his life. A large rock had fallen next to him in the trench and every time they tried to use the excavator it just put more pressure on my friend. God was with him for sure.

  • @rybolov
    @rybolov 3 роки тому +2

    US infantry here. We trained a lot for clearing trenches and bunkers, even doing live-fire exercises. And most of our small-arms ranges are set up as a trench defense of some sort, even if it's just a one-person foxhole made of vertical culvert pipe and some sandbags. But because of the time that it takes to dig, in training we usually don't dig more elaborate fighting positions.

  • @markuscampos8293
    @markuscampos8293 3 роки тому +3

    I’m a mortarman is the usmc, lately with the present eastern type threats and the capabilities they have specifically counter battery, we have take a significantly higher focus on digging holes, connecting them, and hide and shoots
    Edit: good point about not fighting clay and hard pack, that is one of the things I’ve learned from you and I’ll pass it on

  • @douglinn5824
    @douglinn5824 3 роки тому +31

    Trenches are the real deal. My great grandfather was in a battle somewhere in North Africa during WW1. He was a machine gunner in the British Army. His company was being charged by Ottomans on horseback. In the desert. For lack of a better reference, think of the scene from the Mummy where the French Foreign Legion was being charged at. Long story short, he caught a Sabre to the face, still lived. Bravery and trenches won the day that day. Mustard gas exposure did him in years later after the war.

    • @schrader3393
      @schrader3393 Рік тому

      Send your critical information to historians, immediately!

  • @alanlawz
    @alanlawz 3 роки тому +18

    we were told when i was a young trooper there are two types of hole for a soldier one is a trench the other is a grave they are NOT made in the same way.

  • @grimskid
    @grimskid Рік тому +1

    Man you were spot on with this video my man, when the armys of different countries meet the trench will rise to the occasion

  • @twoscoops5197
    @twoscoops5197 3 роки тому

    Great info, thanks. Waiting and waiting to get processed into the reserves for Engineer, suppose I'll be doing lots of this in the future. Stay healthy!

  • @prinzeugenvansovoyen732
    @prinzeugenvansovoyen732 3 роки тому +20

    We use a soil auger to make infantrymen holes that later get extended to trenches by drilling additional holes ideally that reduces hand shoveling by 2/3 and time consumption by half
    We also make a shallow escape/reinforcement/resupply trench leading away additionally to the Nr 4 trench
    Its a 70cm deep 85cm wide trench you can crawl through it leads to the rear, into cover, like the back slope of your ridge

  • @BHuang92
    @BHuang92 3 роки тому +108

    How much did trench warfare improved since the last couple of centuries?

    • @robertclark1669
      @robertclark1669 3 роки тому +50

      You'd be surprised how similar it is to 100 years ago.

    • @IanCaine4728
      @IanCaine4728 3 роки тому +36

      I think it's zero improvement, just change in what miseries are involved. Depending on whether technology benefits defense or assault, the size and shape just shifts.

    • @davidty2006
      @davidty2006 3 роки тому +8

      Nothing can beat the infantryman in a ditch with artillery bombarding the enemy.
      Now with mobile direct fire guns

    • @reyllantenefrancia5693
      @reyllantenefrancia5693 3 роки тому +22

      Ah you see friend we made the hole 1 feet deeper.

    • @dmaysx6
      @dmaysx6 3 роки тому +1

      0

  • @islagames
    @islagames 3 роки тому +46

    French : " We use trench warfare and the Vietnamese kick our butt."
    Vietnamese : "French warfare is very funny."

    • @rpm6085
      @rpm6085 3 роки тому +5

      Vietnamese trenches were tunnels weren’t they?

    • @AScottish-AustralianM-84
      @AScottish-AustralianM-84 3 роки тому

      @@rpm6085 practically yes

    • @olivierlaurent6921
      @olivierlaurent6921 3 роки тому

      their accent is quebecois thus from Canada.

    • @utoobuser206
      @utoobuser206 3 роки тому +3

      The viet would tunnel like ants into a hillside , dangerous stuff for both sides.

  • @Dontais
    @Dontais 3 роки тому

    We start our field ex for AJLC next week, thanks for the video cheers

  • @slmyatt
    @slmyatt 3 роки тому +23

    I would never want to be the opposition hearing Scots Guard saying "fix bayonets" followed by bagpipes.
    Or the yell "Ayo Gorkhali!".
    Like in the Falklands.
    were scared motionless

    • @jekabsojarsulskis9740
      @jekabsojarsulskis9740 3 роки тому +1

      BAYONETS ARE NEVER OBSELEET! So fear them!

    • @luket1085
      @luket1085 3 роки тому +1

      The cry "ayo gurkhali" is also feared in India and for a good reason.

    • @whereswaldo5740
      @whereswaldo5740 3 роки тому

      @@jekabsojarsulskis9740 Democrats even hate bayonet mounts.

  • @polishedpebble4111
    @polishedpebble4111 3 роки тому +48

    Every drone footage I've seen is that trenches are a big barrel... a barrel of camofish.

    • @SonsOfLorgar
      @SonsOfLorgar 3 роки тому +17

      Better than flopping around like a fish on bare ground.

    • @ShahjahanMasood
      @ShahjahanMasood 3 роки тому

      @mandellorian no need to be so dramatic. people have learned. the ones that matter have. thats what they do.

    • @porkerthepig
      @porkerthepig 3 роки тому +4

      For them when they had no control over their sky’s, if you have at least partial control it’s a hard environment for drones to operate in effectively

    • @ericferguson9989
      @ericferguson9989 3 роки тому

      @mandellorian That popped immediately into my mind. Previously I sort of dismissed drones - well, no longer!

    • @AKUJIVALDO
      @AKUJIVALDO 3 роки тому

      @@ericferguson9989 if you are insurgent, you don't dig trenches.
      If you are weak ass military, you still have AA guns and drones are gone. So they are not an issue either way.

  • @greenfireproductions8629
    @greenfireproductions8629 Рік тому

    I dig trenches as a hobby and it’s vary hard work and I love it fantastic video bro

  • @ajsalinas8418
    @ajsalinas8418 3 роки тому

    Wow, I never knew modern trenches were this intricate. Good video, Keep it up!

  • @arx3516
    @arx3516 3 роки тому +19

    I guess at stage 12 you're going to install a jacuzzi and cable TV.

  • @SoloRenegade
    @SoloRenegade 3 роки тому +58

    A lot of WW1 trench warfare was also a result of Europeans observing the US Civil War, and learning the wrong lessons.

    • @michaelpettersson4919
      @michaelpettersson4919 3 роки тому +17

      And the right ones. In the US civil war machine guns was placed as artillery in WW1 they figured how to NOT fire at the enemy in front of you but to shoot in sn angle. That way they had more rows of targets to hit. Several maching gun nests doing that, defending each other, causing a massacre.

    • @ineednochannelyoutube5384
      @ineednochannelyoutube5384 3 роки тому +12

      The right lessons.
      When offensive power greatly outstrips survivability, movemwnt becomes impossible and the most effective method becomes not to directly engage.
      When the army becomes sufficiently sized that the flanks can no longer be manouvered around the fronts stabilize.
      Trench warfare is the natural result of technology in the 1900s.

    • @SoloRenegade
      @SoloRenegade 3 роки тому +7

      @@ineednochannelyoutube5384 US Civil War;
      Had trench warfare.
      Had underground trench warfare.
      Had Landmines.
      Hand grenades.
      Machine guns.
      Submarines.
      Iron Warships with turrets.
      Torpedoes.
      Artillery.
      ...
      An awful lot like WW1. After the Civil War, US leaders realized this was a bad way to fight, but the Europeans, having not fought the battles themselves, learned different lessons, and mimicked what they saw.
      WW2 had ALL of the same weapons and tech, plus more, and yet we didn't devolve into trench warfare. also, in WW1, the Europeans wanted the US to fight the same way they had up to that point in WW1, and our leadership was not ok with that. we implemented different strategies that were effective at breaking through trench lines. The US leadership did not view trench warfare as the right approach in WW1. Also, Woodrow Wilson proposed forgiving Germany much the way Lincoln forgave the South in the Civil War, but France/UK were having none of that and desired retribution from Germany...we all know what that led to. In WW2, the US dictated things and finally got to follow in Lincoln's footsteps and worked with Germany and Japan, rather than condemn them the way UK/France had. This is but a minor taste of how the Civil War influenced WW1, both right and wrong influences. Look also at other smaller conflicts post-Civil War, and pre-WW1 (Pancho Villa, Spanish American War, etc. and you will see the shift in doctrine away from trench fighting by the US, despite all these new weapons).
      Weapons continue to get more and more deadly ever since WW1, and we haven't yet returned to trench warfare as a dominant strategy since. Your conclusions are fundamentally flawed.
      Try applying the "deadly" WW1 tactics against dispersed, smaller, mobile units that are no longer entrenched. How well would those same WW1 tactics work? not so well. If you think trench warfare is the right way to fight in WW1, then you lack understanding of the fundamentals of warfare. I recommend reading, or rereading, the Art of War, slowly and carefully. Learn about "initiative", and the folly of trying to control every inch of ground. you need only control strategic positions, recourses, access points, etc. (bridges, port cities, raw material, production, key terrain...). Mindlessly defending worthless terrain is not the way to win.

    • @ineednochannelyoutube5384
      @ineednochannelyoutube5384 3 роки тому +13

      @@SoloRenegade You are talking nonsense, so I wont read it. The us civil wr primarily consited of napoleonic style formation warfar, and had enormous casualities for that reason. Wwq started out like that, and tuened into trench warfare. The US had no clue in hell of its actual nature, and pointlessly lost quiet a lot of men before the commanders started listening to french advice.

    • @SoloRenegade
      @SoloRenegade 3 роки тому +1

      @@ineednochannelyoutube5384 French advice? you mean the guys that fought trench warfare for 3yrs before the US finally joined the fight?
      You can't claim I'm talking nonsense if you didn't even read what I said, dismissing it out of hand. If you can prove anything I said was untrue, please do so. But just dismissing my comments out of hand is not a refutation of what I said. Not only that, but it ruins your own credibility.

  • @demobbed688
    @demobbed688 3 роки тому

    Digging in on Salisbury Plain... Loved it!!!!

  • @Adventure_Bum
    @Adventure_Bum 3 роки тому +3

    Oh this brings back memories. Nothing like a month in a trench with Over Head Protection, sleeping bays, spiders and scorpions. Pure luxury...

  • @pierevojzola9737
    @pierevojzola9737 3 роки тому +18

    Hi Max, this was a good topic to bring up as it is very rarely mentioned! The Roman Legions dug and made a fort every day on their march to whatever. Nothing has changed, march and dig, or die now instead of later. It’s when you can’t dig and you have to build (like a Sanger) using stones makes you aware of what the enemy can see and you modify very quickly. Working at night, moving from Jebel to the next high spot, making a defendable lie up point to rest during the day makes you concentrate your building techniques! The VC taught us how important it was to dig! Harera

    • @KyranFindlater
      @KyranFindlater Рік тому +1

      yep, every day they marched ~20km and then set up a fort/camp for the night. Pretty good standard operating procedure! I bet those legionaries were tired though, after all that.

  • @IanCaine4728
    @IanCaine4728 3 роки тому +40

    I was US light infantry and we trained to clear trenches regularly, but I don't think I dug one after initial training. Hasty positions, but nothing like an organized, deep trench. I guess HESCOs kinda replaced them for our kinda fighting.

    • @daepikduck
      @daepikduck 3 роки тому +2

      Hescos are really good, but a huge downside is they reveal your fighting position to the enemy via ground-observable means or aerial recon. Trenches are more of a middle ground between established OPs and hasty fighting positions. Not to mention trenches can be set up under enemy fire relevantly easy while hescos you need at least a break in contact to set up. Either way, both have their place on the modern battlefield.

    • @IanCaine4728
      @IanCaine4728 3 роки тому

      @@daepikduck Totally agree. Don't want to go advertising when fighting a near peer adversary. Not an issue when you're fighting the locals and couldn't hide squat from them.

    • @user-xs4mu8xm7d
      @user-xs4mu8xm7d 3 роки тому

      I guess it depends on whether you're just training or building actual fortifications for combat ops. In my country, we use mainly HESCOs for training, but in war time we will get the combat engineers to assist in building trenches for the homeland defence to complement them. Basically, we don't want to tear up the entire forested training area every other week a new unit comes over to train.

  • @maihem1
    @maihem1 2 роки тому +1

    having huge flashbacks to my time in the CF, OD green combats, good old 82 pattern webbing.. 2 tone green camo face paint... i miss it.

    • @maihem1
      @maihem1 2 роки тому

      and after you get your trench dug the Sgt major walks by and tells you to move it 20 meters that way....

  • @devonsonger358
    @devonsonger358 Рік тому

    12:50 ol boi bare handed with the sheet metal is a savage.

  • @robinderoos1166
    @robinderoos1166 3 роки тому +19

    At which level of trench do you get to wear a trenchcoat? And how many trenches do you have to dig until you get the rank of Franz?

  • @1KosovoJeSrbija1
    @1KosovoJeSrbija1 3 роки тому +56

    I'm like: oh ok that's a nice position, wait heat of nuclear weapons!?!?

    • @josephburchanowski4636
      @josephburchanowski4636 3 роки тому +23

      It is surprising how little can have a large impact on your survival when it comes to nukes. Simply being in the shadow of something opaque to infrared light can prevent you from getting nasty and lethal third degree burns on half your body. Hence the "cover" part of "duck and cover".
      Although dirt and revetment reflects a portion of IR light, so you can still get burned in a trench depending on the intensity, so having an opaque to IR cover over the trench can greatly reduce the heat you have to deal with.
      Regardless, being nearby a nuclear detonation will never be a pleasant situation. In the Priscilla Detonation (part of Operation Plumbbob) bunch of Marines were placed in a trench only 2 miles from a 38 kiloton nuke detonated at an altitude of 700 feet. They survived but got violent thrown back and forth on the sides of the trench. Priscilla was meant to only be a 14 kiloton detonation which wouldn't produce much fallout if detonated 700 feet above the ground; but since it ended up being 38 kiloton, the 700 ft airburst wasn't enough altitude and thus it showered the Marines in fallout.

    • @fulcrum2951
      @fulcrum2951 3 роки тому +3

      @@josephburchanowski4636 dont think op will read this

    • @aknowleadge4787
      @aknowleadge4787 3 роки тому +2

      @@fulcrum2951 but I do

    • @JarthenGreenmeadow
      @JarthenGreenmeadow 3 роки тому

      @@fulcrum2951 Doesnt matter because I did.

  • @l00pman111
    @l00pman111 3 роки тому +1

    Hey @matsimus Been a gunner my self for 10 years. We did some experimenting with shells and trenches back in the days.. and were all surprised how much protection 2 meters of dirt can provide. Unless the shell hits within 2 meters from your hole... you´re pretty safe... only problem is the pressure.. but that dessipates fairly fast with distance...

  • @CHURCHISAWESUM
    @CHURCHISAWESUM Рік тому +1

    Aged like a fine wine

  • @damianm-nordhorn116
    @damianm-nordhorn116 3 роки тому +12

    Generally:
    Your life and the success in battle hugely depend on how you make use of the terrain, natural or artificial, like trenches and holes.
    It's as simple as that.
    There's a great video here on YT of Finish forces simulating a fierce battle of grenadiers and a Leo 2 from the top of a ridge against advancing tanks, that's shows the importance of cover very well.

    • @il2202
      @il2202 3 роки тому

      Like the Vietcong.

    • @ShahjahanMasood
      @ShahjahanMasood 3 роки тому +1

      can you name the video please? I cant find it

    • @damianm-nordhorn116
      @damianm-nordhorn116 3 роки тому

      @@ShahjahanMasood
      ua-cam.com/video/Q7FUjVHx46c/v-deo.html

  • @ferociousfil5747
    @ferociousfil5747 3 роки тому +5

    Flashbacks from my trench digging time as that video was in my infantry era. We rarely build it up to a level 5 though, and one pain in the butt you forgot to mention is those dam roots! Keep doing these videos, you are a legend

    • @thrash208
      @thrash208 3 роки тому +1

      I'd imagine digging a trench in sand would be a nightmare as well

    • @SonsOfLorgar
      @SonsOfLorgar 3 роки тому +1

      @@thrash208 not really, about a foot down, sand is usually moist enough to stay put until you get support materials to make it safe.

    • @chrisbosco6073
      @chrisbosco6073 3 роки тому

      @@thrash208 sands also really soft to dig in. I live on a big ass pit where sand used to be excavated from and do a good bit of digging out here, it goes fast because of how easy it is to dig the hardest thing is keeping the top soil back and everything camouflaged

    • @NomenNescio99
      @NomenNescio99 3 роки тому +1

      Tree roots, those bastards, I still hate them and it was 20 years since I did my army service.

  • @rogerrabbit110
    @rogerrabbit110 Рік тому +5

    Day 1 - basic firing position
    Day 723 - The floor heating in the hallway between your enemies sauna and your bunker casino has broken down and you have to wake immediately up your mirror - Hans - who has been a plumber in his civil life - so you two can quickly repair this nuisance before the highly anticipated soccer match today afternoon between the two opposing battalions begins.