UPDATED 70 SERIES | THIS IS NOT FOR ME AND YOU
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2023
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The face lifted 70 series has dropped, they have really gone all out this time and made what was a cult vehicle way less appealing than before. But strangely enough I think Toyota have done the smartest thing they could by using the simpler more economical 2.8L underpowered diesel from the hilux. Because remember this car was never meant for me and you.
I reckon they've kept the V8 for the time being to stop everyone having a meltdown that they axed it. My prediction is the tactic is to have the V8 available for another year or two, that will give people time to get used to the idea of the 2.8 and for the positive reviews etc to build up, then they'll quietly remove the V8 from being available. Like you said, Toyota ain't stupid 👍
Yep, I think you are spot on
It is in these spaces that opportunity for new car companies to step in or new companies to emerge with products our community needs in order to explore Australia with our family and friends. The V8 will never die. Time to innovate Australia in the car industry once again.
I agree with you 100% on the phasing out of the V8 and comments about working on the VDJ and 8 injectors to replace down the track etc. Begs the question though if considering the 76 wagon why you would just not go for an upcoming 250 GX Prado (also on same platform as the 300 series) other than the retro looks and standard GVM on 70 series which is now huge 3500 kg so payload about 1.3T in the 76.
Given it's expected Toyota will prioritise fleet orders, and we all agree the vast majority will be the 2.8/auto, there's a chance that the V8 may be axed before any actually make it onto the roads given it apparently won't meet the upcoming emissions rules.
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Not the first time a Land Cruiser has used a Hilux engine, the LJ and RJ of the 1980's used the 2 LT or 22RE respectively, they were known as a Bundera. They were considered medium duty and were replaced by the Prado, which also shared a Hilux engine.
Yes you are right 👍🏼
Also the original Prados not sold in Aus were 70series wagons with hilux engines
Full face palm. I have a 70 series with a 2LT
@@JC-zg4xe you are absolutely right and should Toyota revert to that vehicle now (the original Prado, the one sold in other countries, some imported here) as with it's coil rear end, the new 2.8 with auto box would sell far better also. .
But alas, that makes it a passenger vehicle, so it's no longer a "commercial vehicle" & what's more ridiculous the 76 is called a "VAN" to retain its commercial provision/availability.
Disbelieve me, get a 76 handbook, it's discussed in the first pages of the manual and Vin. No. section from memory.
I owned one briefly, man oh man, the 76 with leaf springs, bloody ridiculous concept, piece of shit it was. I'm not wrong, why do owners pay thousands to convert to coil rear ends.
Yep, lj77 kzj78, etc
I would have loved to see the Landcruiser 70 go back to a straight six tbh. I own a hj47 with the 2h and after 41 years it’s still going strong.
Absolutely.
Great episode. Fancy a 4cy donk in a flashy cruiser! So would that be why if you definitely want a V8 it is a 4yr wait time now?
I can't help but think that in 4yrs the rules for engines and immissions will be so different, they won't be able to run the V8 anyway.
So if you don't own one right now, the likelihood of getting one off the assembly line with a V8 is extremely limited.
And of course one of the few things you really can't do anymore is upgrade the engine.
So we might be stuck with what we have if we definitely want a Landcruiser. Or buy secondhand. So up go the prices yet again.
I am still not selling mine! Just recently, I have been using it to move house, towing a 10x6trailer cage trailer everyday for the last two weeks.
Moving a whole farm is no mean feat, but the cruiser takes it in its stride. It is hard to actually feel the trailer on behind except on the badly bumpy bits of road.
It just gets on with the job without complaint. Ok maybe it is a bit bare inside with no fang dangle bits n pieces. But it drives mighty fine!
The Advice: Toyota was very smart with their marketing of the new face-lifted 70 series. They presented a new option of the 2.8L TD alongside the current V8 TD, simple and subtle.
The Reality (IMO): When Toyota opens the books for orders again, new buyers will only get the 2.8L TD option, no more V8's will be made to order. This means anyone who has an allocation in the facelift with a V8 have hit the jackpot as they will be the rarest and most wanted Land Cruisers to ever grace our great nation. It'll be like the 200 series runout - expect to pay around 150k for a GXL top spec if anyone ever willing to part with their future unicorn.
Prediction: Get your hands on any 2023 model 76 wagon or 79 dual cab (or even a Troopy) LC face lifted or pre-face lifted (doesn't matter, as long as it's a V8TD) and hold on, as when this news becomes public, your LC will be worth it's weight in gold.
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Hi think your right
Lovely Ep and you made some great points, If I was buying a new LC 4wd Id buy the 2,8lt Auto either a 79 or wagon if they had 3 seats in the front like my old 80, its the only rezone we still do not own a dual cab Hilux or Nissan. and why we do not own a 79 V8 as there not made in Auto, unless you get one fitted for silly price,
I own a Hilux with this engine and a auto transmission.
The engine is underpowered with a load on the car and towing.
Almost to the point where it’s dangerous if you try to overtake if there isn’t long stretches of road.
It uses a lot of fuel as well because you have to ring its neck.
Might be a good money spinner for Toyota but for towing and heavy work I think it will be a disappointment for a lot of people.
Thanks for the honest comment and I think you are correct.
100% I own one too and this is my biggest issue with it. People look at me with 2 heads when I say it tows like shit with anything over 2t and eats the fuel like no tomorrow. I had to put the throttle controller in just to make it feel a bit better when towing.
2,8 engine with the auto is the most stressed combo i have ever driven. Shifts up and down constantly.
Interesting to compare Hilux vs Troopy 70 or Wagon. Do love the look and styling of the 70 over the Hilux
Great video. I'm currently using a dualcab sr n80 as a work ute and a family vehicle on weekends. We do tow a 22ft van with it at times, and the hilux handles this, ok. But the gcm is touch and go . So if the 2.8l auto landcruiser dualcab keeps its 7t gcm, it may be a better dual-purpose vehicle to buy new. But the v8 would be ideal
Yeah the v8 with an auto behind it. Albeit once tuned would have been awesome.
That was my exact question and thoughts mate.
I will be getting the 4 cyl troopy. Cannot wait. Want it to doodle around the metro and country areas and a set up for sleeping, light camping, and office work in the back. No extreme off road stuff for me. Maybe drive across the Nullarbor to visit family and friends occasionally. I love the utilitarian look and feel. Will be an upgrade from my 2005 Hilux tray top ute. Conscious of fuel economy too. Perfect for me. So excited.
Nice video mate, appreciate your honesty 👍 i have never owned a 79 series and probably never will, im totally facinated with the cult obsession with these cars though, in some ways i get it, they are an ever rarer solid axle with a badass sounding v8 and very good max axle loads, but on the other hand they are basically a new 40 year old car selling for drug money prices.
These would make a lot more sense to me if they had something like a 4 litre turbo diesel straight 6 that is easier to work on and was in the realm of 190kw and 600nm with the option of a auto snd comfy seats for about 60k new.
What people forget though is that these are a cult vehicle in aus and maybe a couple of other places but most of the world doesn't know that they exist so toyota isn't going to spend much time and money on these like they would other more globally popular vehicles.
Thanks for the comment mate, straight 6 would be a dream for sure.
No one would disagree on the straight 6. It makes so much sense. I’m finally at a point in my life where I can afford one and I can’t even buy one 😢
What would a Landcruiser 70series still offer that a Hilux can't when they both end up having the same engine?
Landcruisers have had 4 cyls in the past, namely the 3B and 13B-T engines in the 40 and 70. The EcoBoost Falcon explanation needed a bit of context: back then in 2011/12 LPG was significantly cheaper and widely available, and the EcoLPI 4.0 had just launched. The EcoBoost was a 'no-cost option', i.e. it was not cheaper than the I6 and Ford barely told anyone about it to incentivise it. They had one ad that was online only, it was less powerful and didn't offer a lower purchase price. This is different, while the 4cyl 2.8 makes one less kilowatt of power, but it produces more torque (extra 70nM) and comes with an Auto box not available on the 8. Pricing is yet to be announced but I'm guessing it will be cheaper than the 8 at least in manual form. So I don't think it's the same as comparing it to the EcoBoost.
Some good points, time will tell
The D40 4 cylinder motor in the Falcon is a great package. Still quick and lighter than the six.
the mine/fleet buyers wouldve said give us a 4 cylinder or we'll buy rangers instead
I have an 80 series Cruiser wagon with a Chev 6.5ltr V8 Turbo Diesel from Brunswick Diesel in W.A in it !
Same spec. engine & gearbox as a Hummer H1 ( 90's Silverado )
It goes like a freight train and will climb up a wall .....
Sometimes the answer is just modification to what you want !!
The V8 with a MANUAL gearbox is still on offer the 2.8 will only be available in auto getting the alternator on top of the engine rather than underneath is a big plus as is lower running costs I have the current HILUX and love it but a Troopie might be on the horizon for my retirement trip
Correct for now. 🤙🏻
A hilux without the comfort luxury features. Sounds like it should be cheaper than the hilux
You would think so but probably not.
You can slap lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig 😂
The 2.8L responds well to a lock up and mild tune in the Hiluxes. Plenty of these towing around the country. I think the 2.8L will be a big seller. I've ordered a single cab because I can put a canopy on it and tow a 2.4T van without exceeding GVM, GCM or rear axle load. The Hilux numbers are woeful in this regard. Granted, the 70 will have to be tuned so it doesn't come to a stop on the hills. ;)
My mum owned a 2012 g6 ecoboost. It was a great engine and a well balanced car. But it has nothing on the barra it was faster than my 3.0L ve wagon. Which wouldn’t be hard.
I think the big let down on the ecoboost was the reliability issues.
emission standards where they sell the v8 likely will change eventually so this may have something to do with the d4d option..
Yes the v8 is slowly fading away, me thinks.
RJ73 and LJ73 are offended they werent mentioned. Hilux motors in cruisers happened from the 1980s
Good review, on paper, the 2.8 has more torque than the v8, the v8 was just a bandaid solution, sticking the 2.8 in is just another stop gap solution, they should have reworked the 2.8 which could easily output 175 to 200kw, maybe with a second turbo
Sorry but I love the old school power delivery of the v8
I actually think you are wrong. I think people who drive them will appreciate the auto box, the smooth shifts, and the way boost stays on stream between gears so you can shift in the dunes. For overlanders the extended range and the 45 kg of extra payload will matter.
All valid points, and yes I’m sure some people will like it.
I have had a 79 twin cab on order for 18 months, I hope the 4.5 is still available when it arrives.
Will the 2.8 be good with bad fuel in harsh countries ???
Be interesting to see difference in gvm and payload in the 4 vs 8.
My guess is it will be the same.
Maybe less of a gvm upgrade though
If only you could get a RHD road registered 1hz still. The benefit of the non-turbo engine as well is you don't have to fit an AFFF system for mining vehicles.
The 1GD has been going since 2015 and has proven itself reliable. Furthermore, it's based on the KD and KZ motors which go back to the 90s and are to this day proving to be very robust. Toyota have traditionally made the 70 series from the very best gear from the parts bin, stuff thats proven to work. I'd reckon if they're keen on putting the 1GD in it, they're confident it's going to be just as dependable as the V8. The new V6s in the 300 have already had some teething issues, which is why I think they haven't jumped straight into throwing them into the 70 series yet.
the v8s are underpowered junk
I’m buying the 4cyl auto troopy. Can’t bloody wait to upgrade from my 1hz troopy
As widening the rear axel to have common track has been beyond Toyota's engineering abilities, I wonder now with space free up front if they'll pull out old tooling and go back to the prior front track 😂
I think they won't bother as they have so much demand that they will stick to their motto of doing the absolute bare minimum required.
Kind of weird to have some old relic design issue caused by a wider engine that's not even fitted to your car 🤷
If they widen the rear axle on the 71 swb 76 wagon 78 troopy and 79 series tub.
Everyone is quick to forget about these vehicles and think only on the ute with a wide tray where a widened rear diff wouldn't poke past a tray.
The rest of the world run tubs on thier 79s, have you seen how much wheel poke there is with a widened rear diff under the oem tub.
They will also need to widen the rear body panels to keep legal poke. Have a look at the mq to gq patrol same body but gq has a "wide body flare" added to it to cover the wider diffs.
@@felixtimlock true, $80k odd for a horse cart that's more miss matched than a home made job which would likely have a common wheel track
@@79series I've not closely examined these vehicles but I've not noticed the front guards push out past the rear wheel arches, but maybe they do. Again that's a pretty minor consideration at the price and should be expected.
@Spoonfed78 minor I don't think. Widening the rear body panels on the 71 76 78 and 79 tub would be absolutely huge cost to Toyota. It would be all the panel pressings and then engineering and the rest with that.
Two other sources state that the new 2.8L Turbo (Hilux motor) will be offered as an alternative to the existing V8, NOT a replacement!?
Yes you are right mate. I didn’t say that it has replaced the v8 yet, simply surmising that the writing is in the wall for the v8 you would have to think 🤔
Yep you really know what you’re talking about! I 100% agree with everything you have said 👍
Thanks mate.
hmmm, modern 4 pot turbo diesels are pretty good, and 2.8L is pretty large compared to the 2L rangers which are pretty good motors.
I'm not sure about your theory that Toyota are making them for the mines. I am in Tom Price WA so I'm surrounded by mines massive ones and the majority of the utes here and on the mine sites are Hilux's not the 79 series's. If fact there are stuff all 70 series cruisers now in these mines. So how does this make sense for the new 4 cylinder auto?
I don’t understand why they don’t use the 4 l 4 cylinder from the dyna/ hino . They have in the Japanese version of the hummer called the mega cruiser. Easy to access all components parts access world wide. And long life truck engine.
Land cruisers have had lots of 4 cylinder diesels all the way back to the fj40.
That is true.
Toyota Landcruiser Bundera was sold in Australia and had the 2.4L Hilux motor in it, it was very capable and probably quicker than the V8 off the mark.
You're completely wrong, the only reason for the four cylinder is supply, they have plenty of these motors available where as they have run out of v8's and have actually taken a hiatus on orders, you cannot order a v8
You could be right, but I think that if it was a simpler more efficient and cheaper engine to produce they would just make more.
No 3.3 V6 for the 70 tells us what we need to know about that motor.
I agree in many ways with what you say. I have personally changed to a Hilux after owing a 200 V8 and two LC70’s V8. The Hilux is always better for me, much better on fuel, performance and interior. Plus dpace. Offroad just as good. Why pay all the money, for the status?
You seem to have forgotten that the 70 series body started badged as a Prado with a 4 cylinder
Not for me either though
Yes you are right. But it was never a ute. Was it 🤔
The best engine they had in these vehicles was the 4.2 6 cylinder turbo.
Absolutely.
I’d love an auto Troopy, even better with adaptive cruise (the radar will have to be there for AEB so for me a complexity argument wouldn’t pass the pub test).
I find the V8 70’s entertaining in short bursts, but other than for towing, I ultimately don’t see the point of the V8 with that rubbish manual, even less so tuned. And I love driving manuals, properly by rev matching and heel toe downshifting…
Sorry but the the 79 with there v8 makes sense to me, otherwise just buy a hilux. ?
Officially, the V8 is still on offer but they just wont have any available when customers want one I am betting
Exactly what I’m thinking.
I can see OM606 transplant on a crystal ball.
the v8 and v6 are too reliable and markets state that reliability is a threat. Larger powers at be have influced the decision from toyota... the market is changing cars only last for 10 years, then you buy another car wayyy more profit in that and there are other reasons I wont mention also.... But just think Toyota is built to last thats there motto, WHY wouldnt toyota come out with a straight 6 hybrid rather then a 4 cylnder its madness but thy try and convince you "ohh no relax its better fuel consumptions" more cylinders means the engines last longer just simple Physics.
Also the v8 70 series will end 100% not long now
Agreed
I'm buying the 2.8 Litre as a delivery vehicle for my business. Ive got the current model Hilux but i like the shape of the 70 series.
Fair enough.
Your comments are spot on. Thanks for the content, cheers
well, the LC is japan built..so high quality assembled..
the Hilux, at least here (Chile..), is argentinian made.. Yikes!..
maybe with "Toyota standard" but everyone knows, it´s not the same as made in japan..
The Australian market hiluxes are made in Thailand, yikes😂
What big engine will be good enough for towing? F trucks and Rams will do well!
Mazda SUV’s have straight 6’s. yet Toyota wants to put a 4pot in their ‘heavy duty’ land cruiser…
The v8 have ended, they will not be reopening the books on orders on VDJ70.
Insteresing to see where new 70 series 2x variant sits in relation to luxi and Prado.
My guess is 2.8 variant will sit 75-80k driveway
V8 will be 80-85k drive away
Any thoughts
I can't see the 2.8 being cheaper, it might be easier to get though ?
@@SmartTouringSystems no one will buy if it’s 10k expensive than luxi is the go then
What's luxi?
Cough cough.... unpopular opinion, but technically not the first time the 70 series got a hilux engine.
Examples 2L ; 2L-T ; 2L-TE ; 3L & lastly the 1KZ-TE.
Though it was a first-generation prado (J70).... if you put one of the 4 door wagons next to a 76 series, the resemblance is uncanny.
Was also available in automatic back then.
The 70 series prado was later replaced/rebadged as a Land Cruiser.
Just my two cents on it.
Oh, in my country, we have 3 engine options for the 79 series..... long live the 1hz.
Yes you are correct. I really should have clarified that.
@@SmartTouringSystems Very nerdy of me, but I've seen a few of them on the road as well as for sale.
So that's how I know about them. But I wouldn't say nice prado to a 76 owner in a pub.👀
You said it yourself, you love it. But I think a lot of people will buy them just for the auto.
I reckon you will find your build being elevated up the list if you go the 2.8
I agree.
Has the new model still got the narrower back axle?
Pretty sure it does.
Does a smaller motor mean they’ll fix the wheel track variance?
Probably not is my guess
@@SmartTouringSystems Oh well, Keeps the customer market employed, which is a good thing 😁
Thanks for the video. Love a good subjective discussion
Andrew St Pierre White (ASP) from 4xoverland (landcruiser fan boy) just ordered a 4 banger landcruiser troopy. Some people will buy them. Not my cup of tea though.
He's desperate for a auto.
Toyota will use the V8 until there stock is used up then put the V6 into the 79
I hope your right mate, but I think it will just be the 2.8
A 4 cylinder Falcon! hahaha. Did Ford not remember the disaster that the 4 commodore was? So slow it was dangerous.
If it was a 4 cylinder diesel it would have been better.
Agree
Not wrong about the 2.8 having issues at the beginning, when the new Hilux landed in 2015 I bought one unfortunately, my SR5 had 2 leaking water pumps, clunky tail shaft, warped breaks, massive DPF issues, automatic transmission computer died leaving me stranded, all this with in 3 yrs 65,000 kilometres.
I’m currently in the class action over the DPF issue and am set to receive a $10k reimbursement from Toyota for my troubles.
I’ll never buy a Toyota ever again after the way they treated me.
Thanks for the comment mate. That doesn't sound like fun!
UNBREAKABLE!!
the engine now matches the diffs....
It will be awesome if they add a manual with auto and it will be nice to add a auto to the V8 then it will best set up for the Aussie
Auto behind the v8 would be awesome.
I wonder if the lc 2.8 would be geard differently to the hilux.
That is a great question.
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Very true.
Oh wow at 0:06 is a Toyota sowing machine 😂 (I'm joking, calm down Aussie's lol)
I just hate the hood. I like it, otherwise. It is returning to Japan so I'm happy to buy one for my uncle! I live in the US and my parents and siblings lives in Canada, but we are Japanese. Progress has left my uncle behind in Tokyo with hid food kart lol, so I'll take care of him!
Why didnt they go the 300's 3.3 V6 ??
or stick with the 1HD-FTE?? Which is a popular LandCruiser engine.
I'm wondering if this will be an option for a more touring oriented version. Surely Toyota are aware to he average Aussie that wants to go touring would prefer a bigger engine.
yeah mate I agree, bring back the straight 6
Thanks mate, very informative.
Cheers bud.
Toyota drops the V8 Diesel while Nissan introduces a V8 Petrol. Polar opposites in their marketing/sales directions for the near future, and we have multiple choice.
Nissan is going to a v6 I'm pretty sure.
They had to do it for mining a most people can’t drive a manual now
Unfortunately, we won't get any of these in California.
Definitely not. 😂
That’s the benefits of shadow communism.
Much like rollerblading the hardest part of owning a automatic 70 series will be telling your parents that you are gay😂😂
😂
Imagine all the tools decking them out to look tough but that thong slap will be missing. What will they use for a ego boost then??
Is the rear wheel track still on the piss in the new one??
Yeah I’m pretty sure so. 🙄
Yes
Well only a DC would buy
Not a word you said was bullshit. Love the honest run down mate.
Thanks mate. 🤙🏼
Everyone is forgetting what toyota said six months ago about what's happening with 79 series, toyota has dropped the 4 cylinder into the cruiser because going to bring out a hybrid version and the v8 has too much torque for the electric motor same the auto box, can't handle the torque of the v8
I haven't seen that.
Should of put the new Prado body on the 70 series
Yeah I like the look of the new prado.
@@SmartTouringSystems if it has a decent payload and towing I think it will be popular but is it worth the extra $$$ for more comfort over a Hilux.
Personally I think the V6 engine land cruisers engine would be better
Absolutely.
I think they want to let people try the 4 cylinders first, then they'll update with options of the v6 3.3l diesel like 300 series. Similarly they'll opt for the v6 3.4 petrol for the "Land Cruiser " in the US market.
Not quite true that the Landcruiser did not ever come with a 4cly…. I think you’ll find emission regulations probably made a big decision on the 4cly choice as well cost / running considerations
How is the 2.8 going to go fully loaded and towing 3 tonne? Surely it will be ringing it’s neck
You would think so.
The auto hiluxes get flogged just as much if not more than the cruisers in mining
That’s true
I will probably just chop the old 80 and get on with it.
Probably a smart move.
Smart man.
Toyota is not so smart, they didn’t correct some of the major issues the current model has, eg track correction.
Yes track correction would have been great.
The 2.7 in the workmate hilux is sold in japan in the prado and tacoma in the US bullet proof motor just slow and thirsty. World wide toyota drop different motors for local markets.
True
You’re only thinking about the Australian market. The Australian market is probably one of the smallest markets in the world. The UN all around the world use Landcruiser, not just mines. The Australian public and a few farmers aren’t dictating how Toyota build their vehicles
Now this makes sense 👍
Australia is the biggest market in the world for the 70 series so presumably it would be reasonable to assume that what Australian buyers think about the Landcruiser is of some importance to Toyota.
@@person.X. yes you’re correct. Sorry. We equate to 10% of the world wide market for all landcruiser models. Sorry. My fault
Wish they put the V6 motor in
Yes would have been a great thing with that and the auto.
Seems crazy that they didn’t since they have it in the 300. The new Prado is going to have the 2.8 as well so they will be everywhere but the towing capacity I’m not convinced of and also the longevity of a 2.8 in a vehicle designed for heavy use and abuse?? I reckon the old V8 s will outlast the new 2.8 4cyl by a couple of lifetimes. Only time will tell??
I would love to get 2.8 auto 70 series wagon.
I understand the appeal. Kind of🤔
@@SmartTouringSystems let’s say towing a caravan around Australia+ out back would a 76 series with 2.8 make more sense than a new prado?
@@jamesm6341 Yeah I understand what your saying. Just feel the prado already filled that spot. 🤔
True, private buyers would just buy a Hilux.
Agreed. I have been wrong before though 😂
I will keep my GQ patrol.
Hi, inwork in the fleet industry as an auctioneer (37 years), have some big clients. Owned and own landcruisers. 5 v8s a 200, 75s 45s etc. have the worlds best fj45 done 100,000k. Just sold my dual cab v8 and bought a hilux auto. Why? Toyota have utterly let me down with the new 70. Track issue is one reason, interior is another. Its neither one thing eg super tough heavy weight ute without the frills, or 2. A vehicle with real development. They look dreadful under the bonnet. A ford tanger v6 is tidier. Auto? Good idea. 4cyl is ok too as its been done before. But it looks like a parts bin special. This could be the end of landcruiser as we know it just as the patrol died with the 4cyl and nil development. I shall enjoy the hilux, and enjoy the proper landcruiser- my fj45. A sad year for me. But as they say Nostalgia is a thing of the past
Well said
Well said!
cheers.
Fully agree with you.
Cheers mate. Its rare I'am right though
@@SmartTouringSystems 😂 I know the feeling…
YOU Forget it has a Live Front Axle and will be way better than a HILUX
Of course they have to put that JUNK 2.8 into absolutely everything. God its slow and embarrassing
Would anyone be interested in buy a HJ45 let me know in the comments and can show pic
Toyota is losing the plot i have been Toyota through and through but they need to come up with a new 70 series we more safety and a fix the wheels track be interested to see the diff physical size or if they change
Companies don't always make the right choice. They fail to factor in human side of decision making.
In fact, you even provided an example with the Ford. People just didn't want a more economical falcon.
The same will be true with the 70 series. It absolutely makes no sense as a vehicle. You hit the nail on the head. The Hilux is better in every way and cheaper yet there is this mythical unknown thing about the V8 that people like.
Take that away and why wouldn't you buy a Hilux? I think fleet vehicles will do the same. They can get an equivalent Hilux for half the price almost and the running costs are significantly less so the 70 series makes no sense in any way, especially when it has the same engine as the Hilux
Why not just buy a Hilux??? Hilux don't have a solid Front axle!!!
Yeah that’s true, but for 99% of people that wouldn’t matter.