ACCIDENT OR MURDER?- THE MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF JOSHUA MADDUX
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- In May 2008, an 18-year-old man vanished whilst walking in forests near his home in Woodland Park, Colorado. His disappearance remained a mystery for 7 years, until his body was finally found. However, this discovery only raised more questions - this time about how he died. Was it, as the coroner concluded, an accident, or was his demise something far more sinister? This is what happens when fact proves stranger than fiction. This is the mysterious death of Joshua Maddux.
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Audio cuts out at 38:26 and returns at 40:00.
Thought it was just me
I thought there was something wrong with my TV lol x
As soon as this happened to me I went hunting in the comments to see if it was just my phone or not lol.
How on Earth did the police determine this to be an accident??!!?? With the position of his body and all of the other evidence, folded clothing, furniture being moved, there was obviously more people present than just Josh. Sometimes I think they just don't want to investigate and say Hmmm let's just come up with a totally asinine answer and force the family to accept it! UGG!
Emma you impress the heck out of me 😊. You have done a lot of things in your life and you did it your way. From a wild girl and back packing for 3 years to working with children who have had problems in one way or another. And the Chanel you have now is something that you should be proud of ❤. Great work on all of it I am so proud to see you every single time you are on.
Did anyone else lose sound temporarily once the pictures of the abandoned house came up ?? X
yes i did, i thought it was just me
From the abandoned house photos until partway through the hypothermia chart for me.
@Kordelia Odette for me I had to skip a good 5 or 6 minutes x
I've been leaving comments like this where I can. I wish you would take on the case of Hana Williams, a 13 year old adopted from Ethiopia. I won't say more here, as I'm glad this young man got his story told but I'm still searching for anyone who can give Hana the same justice.
Thank you, I had not heard of Hana's case either and you got me to go read about it. That poor, beautiful child. As an adopted person, it makes me absolutely sick to hear of cases like that. I hate that abusers use homeschooling and isolation to their advantage and regardless of how many reports they get, we know the state never intervenes until it's way too late. I sincerely hope Hana and those who loved her find peace and justice soon. Losing all of these kids is so totally unfair and not remotely ok.
I agree, there needs to be more coverage for Hana. Emma, please review this case!!
@@emo_penguin420 I am adopted too. One of the things I've been absolutely crushed to learn is just how lucky I am.
I had never heard of her story either but I just did a little reading... That poor precious baby girl. I'll start putting her name out into true crime groups too and see if we can't get some action 😉.
*** Not that I'm anybody special, but I'm happy to add my voice to hers.
@@missychan63 neither am I. But that's why I keep trying.
I lost audio around the 39 minute mark. Will improvise with the subtitles 😅 Keep up the amazing work Em! Not only being a voice for the poor souls the media doesn't talk about, but such a wise and talented speaker, I adore your facts and nuggets of knowledge 😊💚
Glad it wasn't just me!
Same
Same!! How do I get subtitles?! Xx
@@tamlabinks1037 I clicked CC on the screen, but it doesn't work, coz there is no audio 😅
The same thing happened to me from like 38 and change till 40 mins and change
Absolutely insane. I wish they could solve this, it's clearly not an accidental death!! Poor guy. Rip xx
There's a chunk at the 37 minute mark that the sound cut out on this. It resumes around the 40 minute mark. I tried testing and it's definitely the video not my settings/compuuter.
Yep same happened with me
Same happened to me
Same with me! Thought I’d lost my hearing for a second, freaked me right out 😂
I’m laid up in bed with Covid at the moment and thought I lost my hearing 😂
Shew, that really scared me for a bit!
@@mpzeppelin43 feel better soon. Sending gentle healing hugs.
I remember this case and I've always felt it was VERY suspicious.
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I can imagine that he walked in, heard some animal trapped in the chimney, and because he wasn't a small guy, he decided to get out of the most of his clothes and fold them before attempting the rescue (ending in him being stuck) - but I feel any accident story is reaching. This feels like a cold murder with poor guy stuffed in the chimney :(
but then upside down, ya know?
How sad 😢 My first thought was that it could've been a squatter that he encountered. Maybe he was out exploring and ran into an aggressive person who was squatting at the house. Maybe he tried to take shelter there but was killed.
But hearing about this nomadic friend makes me think it could've actually been him.
So sad. I hope his family are able to find peace. 🙏💜
That's actually a good. That you had a squatter would make sense but you'd think there would be more damage to the body in that case I think he was suffocated or strangled which doesn't always damage the hyoid bone and isn't always detectable especially this long after therefore I think it was an intimate killing like he knew the person yeah I think it was Andrew Newman as well maybe one day we'll get a confession out of him
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Well said my friend 👏👏💜💜
I too think he was murdered BUT don’t get the folded clothes mmmmmmm. Great one Emma, you look amazing by the way xx
How wonderfully put x 100% agree x
Poor Josh, he sounded like a lovely young man. Thoughts with his family and friends. It all sounds very strange to me :(
IMO, he was def murdered, brought inside the abandoned house and stuffed up the chimney, with his clothes folded by the fireplace and the breakfast bar put in front of the chimney.
Love, love, love your channel!! Your compassion for the victims is awesome!! Xo❤
Yes I feel he was murdered outside the property and then concealed in the chimney; it certainly “bought” the killer/s a lot of time.
I'm with you. It doesn't make sense that he'd get inside the building, get naked, move the bar, go outside and then go down the chimney knowing the bar was there. Why would you go down a chimney naked? Get soot in some annoying places. It just doesn't make sense unless someone else moved the bar and put his clothes there. How'd he dislocate both legs going head first down the chimney? The autopsy report being on a body from 7 years ago isn't going to be very accurate as so much of the body would have decayed and how did he pull his legs so bad going head first? I've never heard of a case of paradoxical undressing where they folded the clothes, they are usually just dropped wherever they fell.
My money is on newman
Bunnyetsuko, I completely agree 100% with your theory 👍🏻
The only thing I don’t understand.. is .. WHY NOT RID OF THE CLOTHING?!! Why leave it neatly folded there… suspicious. I mean they certainly didn’t want his body found. And they succeeded… for SEVEN years 😭😞💔
Why the clothes?? Did the killers forget to take them? Who moved the cupboard to block the fireplace. He couldn’t have done any of that alone.
No, he didn't seem like that type of boy. He knew the devastation his brothers death caused, I doubt he would do anything to add to it. I think the family were in denial, they couldn't face the possibility that another child could have come to harm.
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I'm definitely on team suspicion. It just doesn't make sense. There is far too much that points to death by person or persons unknown. His poor family. The case needs to be reopened. Thanks Emm as usual an amazing case❤
I agree, it seems bizarre that anyone would climb down a chimney. I’m claustrophobic so it scares me to death, the thought of being trapped in a confined space.
Thanks for another great video Em.
I don’t think anyone would be climbing up/down any chimneys for any reason unless you have one of those odd ball types of people who try to do all those strange things to see if they can do it or not (if the person is skinny as a rail and knows for sure they wouldn’t get stuck) but I definitely don’t see anyone deciding to climb a chimney out in the middle of nowhere like this while alone or with a stranger present just in case things do go wrong.. i haven’t finished yet but I was just scrolling through comments to see the gist of what happens..
Clearly a suspicious death and I really feel for the family. Thanks for keeping this case in people's minds.
Thanks You for your endless empathy for victims, and righteous and well deserved fury for the perpetrators. My heart goes out to Josh’s family❣️
Emma I would love for you to cover the mysterious death of Rey Rivera. A slightly similar case which blew my mind and really stuck with me for days after I heard of it.
No way in hell Ray wasn't murdered! I don't know how the police can even convince themselves let alone anyone else that it was anything other than cold-blooded murder.
I've heard about the body in the chimney, but i didn't know any details. Thanks for covering this story Emma .
Thank you for articulating the seemingly inexplicable feeling of being on the edge, the transference of potential suicidal ideation and life lens shift for those of us whom lost someone to suicide. Though is has been many years, the effects still show up in my daily life. It feel like a bittersweet blessing to be understood in this way. As always, so much gratitude Ms. Emma Kenny
Emma bless you because I swear without your uploads I wouldn’t know what day it was 😅 I’m rebuilding my businesses I did from home that I lost in the house fire we had before Christmas and working at your home it’s so easy to forget what day it is 💀 also, not sure if you’re already considering it, but I’d love to see what you have to say about this insane Murdaugh case and all the disturbing connections and skeletons in their closets. There’s been another small victory since Alex’s trial. They finally properly ruled Stephen Smith’s death a homicide, which was clear as day when it happened, a kindergartner could’ve made that ruling. So much corruption and so many people still needing justice. I think you may find it as interesting as it is infuriating. Murdaugh Murders Podcast on here by Mandy is great and she’s been investigating this family for YEARS. Also Eric Allen, he takes his boat out and drones to the places such as like where the boat crash happened near Parris Island, where the US Marine Corps have a training facility. I hope you’re doing well and enjoying your tour across the UK! Much love x ❤
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@@leniben839 please breathe! I don’t wanna end up on the channel for murder I’m not a Murdaugh 😂
This is an intriguing case. It's terrible that his family still have no answers.
I believe it is definitely homicide. It certainly points to this, with all the things you've highlighted. What a waste of this young man's life. I feel for his family. Thank you for covering this Emma.
I truly believe that he was murdered by that man, you mentioned, in the last part of the video, who had already been in prison for several crimes. I love your videos, the way you present them, your humor and compassion. I think you’re a wonderful woman, and you look so pretty and young. I am from Houston Georgia. I am a huge fan of yours, I would love to be able to visit your area and see you live. Take care and do something special for yourself.
I'm never this early haha love the work you do ❤
Love haw you put haha instead of lol your the only person then me that iv seen wright like this haha 😛
I'm definitely on "team suspicion" and I think that the coroner should be looking for a new job - preferably a job that he can do without making up fantastically ridiculous explanations that certainly have no basis in reality.
Josh was pretty obviously killed and stuffed into the chimney.
The family should sue the crap out of the coroner, the police, and any other officials that are forcing them to swallow that absolute hog-wash!!
Wow Emma this channel is my absolute favourite, it’s not normal how excited I get each week to see what case is being covered. Thank you so much Em for your hard work to your brother & Dusted literally a legend ❤xx
There’s no explanation for why he would go inside the cabin, take off all his clothes except for his shirt and then go back outside to purposefully climb down a chimney knowing there’d be no way out.
The dungarees look really good on you Emma
When I first heard about this case some years ago I thought the exact same scenario as you, Emma. I think he was put up the chimney. I think he met someone possibly consensually (because of clothing clues), but was killed (maybe suffocated) and then put in chimney. I think that guy needs to be looked at. How anyone can conclude accidental is beyond me.
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Every Wednesday and Sunday evening, my friends and family know that between 7 and 9 I'm not going to answer the phone or the door cos I'm having my dates with Emma 😂❤
Haha, nice one!
Evening Emma, Dusted and everyone else!,
No Audio for me from around 38 and half minutes. Good video though :) x
I came to the comments to see if anyone else had that problem. The audio does pick back up eventually though.
@@kellie5476 yeah about a minute thankfully :)
I remember this case and never believed it was an accident. It's crazy to me that it's listed that way.
Hi Emma❤️. Ok so who the hell..especially an intelligent kid..gains entry to a LOG cabin through a chimney and not literally anywhere else on the cabin???! Nope there's foul play here. My heart hurts for this family 💔
This case is so frustrating and highly suspicious! Its one that's stayed with me. Poor Josh... my heart goes out to his family and friends.
18 year olds don't generally fold clothes, but then again neither do murderers. He probably threw off his clothes outside to keep them from getting super dirty. The building owner claims there was an impregnable grate on top of the chimney because he probably doesn't want to risk getting sued, and I'm sure he stopped paying for homeowners insurance on that place decades ago. Since Joshua's hips were dislocated he likely did go feet first down the chimney, slipped and landed hard only to find himself trapped in a pitch black narrow space. He would have needed to feel for some kind of opening at the bottom and probably suffocated contorting himself into that incredibly awkward position that he got trapped in. Most abandoned buildings have squatters from time to time. I'd bet money they came back at some point, folded up the clothes, and brought them inside. They (or other squatters) had previously moved the breakfast nook in front of the fireplace to keep the draft out, or animals. A murderer wouldn't go through the ordeal of hiding a body only to keep the clothes of the murder victim out in plain site, right next to the body. A squatter would fold them up and set them aside and forget about them after leaving when people started coming by the cabin more often, looking for Joshua . . . or it just started smelling really bad and they left.
This is what I feel happened, put more eloquently than I ever could.
Is there a petition for a re-investigation? Some people need to lose their jobs, this is blatant foul play.
Emma you beautiful and chipper soul ❤ Thank you for covering this case, it's borrowed itself in my mind because of how bizarre it is. Love the overalls, very springtime and cute!
The coroner should have recorded an open verdict. The police won’t investigate when the case is ruled an accident. Can’t believe she said she was flunouxed and still recorded a verdict. People are so annoying. X
Thank you Emma!
What a horrible way to die :( my condolences to the family .
I remember this on Mr Ballens channel. It's a weird one.
Some one or some people definitely did this to him we all no he did not do this to his self RIP sweet Joshua😢
I've never understood why some coronors can't just leave a case open with undetermined and suspicious. Sigh.
my life changed forever also hun as my younger Brother was murdered aged 21 x..
I've seen this absurd case before and my take on is Emmas. Just so many questions. Love to you all from Sweden
Anyone else have the audio cut out roughly 35 mins in?
Emma you are stunning and thanks for your in-depth case coverage
Maybe he was meeting up with someone reg there and it went south? Abandoned building , secret meetings, went bad, someone hide his body.
Good morning from Melbourne, Australia. I’m here just late so no comments today!
For some reason, I didn't;t get notification, and couldn't find the link when I came to your page...xx
It's my birthday, and I'm sitting here in my brand new Do Not Comply hoodie thinking.......definitely murder! How sad for the family losing two boys in tragic circumstances. 😢
Have you heard of David Paulitis...Not sure if I've spelled his last name right.....His books are called Missing 411. This sounds like one of the cases that he covers. He is also on UA-cam.
Emma that poor boy was indeed murdered you have presented the evidence that supports this nothing confusing about it sending my sympathies to Joshua Maddocks family hoping they get justice for their beloved Josh
How can anyone not consider there was foul play involved in this? I can't get my head around it and
Emma the sound goes silent just before the 39 minute Mark
Hi Emma, really enjoying the video's and content. You are great! I have tickets booked to see you in Telford in June and can't wait!
I would love it if possible if you could do a video on one of my friends who were sadly taken from us. She is called Kim Frank, sadly I know little to no information about it and would love to know your opinions.
Many thanks, Greg and zara.
R.I.P. Joshua 😔😢😔
Ironically, a body up the chimney has just featured in the UK ITV drama, The Unforgotten. Loving your work Em xx
Emma, please do the Chicago ripper crew case, it's shocking
Evening everyone xxx and love to you Emma xxxx❤❤❤
ain't no way this was an accident, i find it hard to believe , that he would go down the chimney, and take his clothes of, while being in there?! makes no damn sense, someone took that poor boys life 💔 R.I.P Josh😪 heart goes out to the family, couldn't imagine 💔
Oh my hat! 😆 The raccoon✌️🦝✌️ popping up there was so unexpected and funny!! LoL 😂🙌
Did anyone else loose sound from around 38 mins for about 2 mins
So I'm assuming it says on his certificate accidental when it should be saying undetermined
If you don't watch MrBallen, you should. He covers lots of cases like this. He covered this case a while ago.
This was just so sad and at the same time utterly unbelievable that there was any other conclusion than foul play. Do you think anyone in an official role was linked to it which is why it wasn't thoroughly investigated? 🤔
It also reminded me of the Corrie McKeague case, how someone vanished with no witnesses. Not sure if you've covered that one Em, but I suspect foul play there too. I spent time in that area and there were so many people living / walking nearby, I cannot believe no one saw anything.
Just thinking about it logically, as someone who used to go urban exploring in my younger days, I cannot imagine being that inquisitive that I would have knowingly gone into a tight and dirty chimney to check it out. Everyone knows that chimneys are full of soot so why would you want to get into one when you've just stumbled across a place on a walk. Something doesn't add up at all. I wonder though if the counter was pushed up against the fireplace after he'd died by the cabin owner whilst moving stuff around getting ready for demolition and he felt guilty that he'd been in there and not noticed the smell etc. Allegedly 🤷♀️ either way a great vid Em as always xx
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I had a friend Rachel Serna, she was this attractive and beautiful person… starting in middle school and then highschool… everywhere we went.. swim and waterpolo practice… weekends with friends.. everyone wanted to be her friend, she was always the popular one with all the attention on her, as she should’ve. She was beautiful (not the everyday beauty) the bright blond big curly hair and tall type of beauty… a bubbly, singing, sweet girl, to this day. She’d sing-song her responses to you in funny voices… SHE. NEVER. SAID. ONE. BAD. WORD. ABOUT. ANYONE! And if we’re gossiping to her about someone or complaining she’s stay quiet or say something positive about the person. For example, this sweet but un-attractive friend of ours, developed a crush on Rachel of course. Naturally.. all the guys liked her. And when he told me to tell her how he felt, her response instead of saying “gross no” or “no thank you not interested” she said, “I wouldn’t want to ruin our friendship.. we’re best friends” … I swear I’ve never met anyone like Rachel. Such a beautiful sweet funny smart and bubbly person. I haven’t seen her in about ten years.. we drifted apart. But I ALWAYS think about her every now and then because she stood out to me like no other friend of mine ever has. Such a charismatic individual. It’s like one a million to find a friend like Rachel. Ok I’m done 🤣 but I get it…it makes you want to be more like that person. Their positivity is so powerful..and most importantly she was sincere. It was natural 😭🤣🤣
Hey Emma, Missouri here
I read about this case a decade ago and it truly left my brain in a scramble because the ONLY scenario that makes sense is that he was murdered. I've tried, repeatedly, to put myself in the investigator's shoes and I simply cannot come to the same conclusion they came to. Either they know something critical that we don't or they failed in investigating this death.
My heart truly goes out to his family because if I am left feeling a tragic sense that an injustice has been done here I can't even begin to imagine how his family feels.
🕊️RIP Josh🕊️
🙏My love and prayers for Joshua's family🙏
I've never been able to understand how they came to that conclusion either
@@ThimbleFox350 Maybe they know something we don't and they can't release it to the public but if the investigation is closed I would think that highly unlikely. I'm just left smh.
Whilst I am an only child and dont know how it is to have siblings, I am a mother of two now and I can just slightly imagine those parents agony loosing 2 precious children in such horrific ways.
Some people have to take such heavy burdens, I dont know how they manage to continue life.
glad you covered this, him and his family deserve justice
Girl, I see another tattoo 🎉 Excellent! I'm too late and have to start alone, unfortunately I'm not in the chat, but I'll definitely be back next time xo
That poor boy was murdered. That coroner dropped the ball.
Or he was still alive and they put that bar there so he could not get out.😢
Emma - easy - he was in the cabin pondering life - he heard an animal in distress in the chimney- he didn’t want soot all over him when he rescued it. Hence the neatly folded clothes. He slips and dies.
At a later day someone is squatting in the cabin - can’t stand the smell so moves the breakfast bar across the chimney where they think an animal had died
Loving the look x
Emma, my father committed suicide as well. I have heard you speak about your father. Did you get counseling? I never did but think I definitely need to. I was 16 and he was my world. I am now 56 and realize I am really not ok!!! I just don’t know how to help myself. Yeah, I am a mess.
This sounds exactly like the Harley Dilly case. Please look that one up. Maybe there's some whacko killer who puts people in chimneys. Seriously, I check it out.
whee im early! I love your country look emma x :)
I agree with you , it's a crazy theory that it was accidental. Definitely foul play. Also I'd love you to cover John Canan?!.
The coroner definitely got this wrong. This case should be re examined. Its way to suspicious.
Really really strange, if I were Josh's family I'd be very dissatisfied with the outcome of the inquest.
You should cover the case of Harley Dilly he was a young boy in his early teens and he died in similar circumstances he was found in the chimney of an unused house he had a tumultuous relationship with his mother the time of the details in his case don't really add up either I suggest watching Truth 4 reality the case of Harley also that man has a really good channel as it is either really kind and caring person I'm sure you would appreciate his videos
25:16 Joshua looks like a young version of Keanu Reeves 🙂
Hi from Indiana, USA. There is a theory here, that his dead is linked to other very very strange missing people and strange deaths that are occurring in the National Forest here. Some have the theory he was a victim of otherworldly means. Is death is spoken about in the Documentary series 411 Missing. It examines other cases like Josh's.
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God this one is a heartbreaker poor dad and family 😢❤ what a mystery 😮
Unless he was in the gremlins film, I really don't think he went down chimney in. Manner of father xnas and slipped, the poor buggar was definitely put in there I'd say, that made more sense to me anyway xx
Thanks Dus
Gosh how frustrating!! Xx
Thanks Emma xx
I understand the coroner not seeing any evidence of foul play but should have declared the death unknown and not accidental. The police however should have investigated beyond that and brought the probable killers to justice.