Oof look at my comment. I was going to finish but now I genuinely don’t know. Probably won’t. Madara. Has. A. Heart. Seal. On. Óbito. He literally has to snap his fingers.
@@ThunderGodTG now you got me. Because I don’t remember if madara had free will before or after Kabuto died…but either way, “Kabutos” army would win. Gimme a few. I’ll come eat my words if I’m wrong I promise.
29 min in. Wont spoil it for anyone else. But I made a promise. Good work y’all I don’t remember why I unsubbed from you tbh but you’ve earned it back ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Kabuto may be able to put Madara under direct control as soon as he summons him. Kabuto’s mistake in cannon was letting him keep his personality so that changes the whole end of the battle
Finally! It's a pleasure to see some people trying to understand things instead of blindly fapping on Madara/Hashirama. Ofc they can be controlled if you put their mind in check before letting them weaving hand signs
It wouldn’t work when orochiamru summoned hashirama orochimaru coudlnt and madara is a rival for hashirama so madara should be able to replicate that same feat easily
One funny thing Obito has up his sleeves too : The white zetsu, may be a big army of mobs. But one catch is, white Zetsu is actually very good at spying and gathering Intel's really fast by traveling through the ground with his big numbers of clones. He can cover a wide area. So white Zetsu can possibly, after a while, pinpoint the location of Kabuto. And from that point in time, Obito would just have to teleport the Gedo statue in the area, toss out a few tale beasts and nuke the general direction of Kabuto. The Edo Tensei would still go on. But without the support of Sage Kabuto. So, no additional Edo Tensei summoning from that moment, and the biggest reliable asset of the army would be out (Edo Madara is not really a Kabuto asset). Kabuto does have a Rashomon gate summoning to survive let's say 1 Biju bomb. But he is not gonna survive a barrage of Biju bombs busting out the cave. It sucks cause Kabuto's army is way cooler than Obito's.
Kabuto has his location protected by a barrier jutsu that only Nagato was able to pinpoint. He’s definitely not using them to grab Kabuto’s coordinates or otherwise he would’ve just made them do it instead of attaching some white Zetsu spores as a precaution. And how or when those spores would even activate is unknown because they only came out when Jugo used his chakra to stimulate them so…that’s a weird X factor honestly.
@hobbyhorse5848 it's actually really smart cause the only reason that jugo activated the spores is due to his sage chakra, and kabutos new powers are mostly related to jugos chakra, so basically he new kabuto was a sage but didn't know he unlike the others, doesn't have a natural affinity for it
A good movie. While fighting the Edo tensei army, Obito is unlikely to be able to absorb them into the kamui dimension. A stronger Edo could break free there and prevent him from teleporting further as Kakashi did.
In a situation like this, pulling anyone into the Kamui dimension is a terrible move. Remember what happened when Kakashi was in there? Any time Obito used Kamui to make himself intangible, he'd just beat up the part of Obito's body that spawns in Kamui. So taking any of the Edo's into Kamui is just giving them a free pass to fuck him up, and preventing him from using his invincibility hacks on the battlefield.
I’ve dropped this comment a couple of times but, that’s hyper specific as where Obito materializes in the dimension and where he drops people are the seperate spots. We can see this with how he fights fuu/torune and drops them in the Kamui dimension, and Sasuke/Karin who are in there have no idea any of that is going on. You could say Kakashi does what Obito does to Kaguya and somewhat tracks the chakra signature but, yeah they’re not the same spots
@@ThunderGodTG it's specific, but not improbable. All it requires is for Obito to suck one of them up. He's clearly got no awareness of what happens inside that dimension unless he's there too (otherwise he'd make those pieces spawn far away from where Kakashi is to prevent him from getting any cheap shots in). Heck we see this exact scenario play out: They send one of Naruto's shadow clones into the dimension and he just waits until Obito appears to ambush him. That's how they unmasked him. No reason this can't happen with an Edo
Kabuto’s got far too many top tier fighters. And unlike the shinobi alliance the Edo don’t get tired and they can’t be sealed by the Zetsu I think if Obito uses the tailed beast well he can cause some problems
I mean...if we are being honest, all he needs is Deidara..he can go 'boom" non-stop and evaporate all zetsus and anyone around....his own army won't suffer since they cannot die.
@@ricardokojin7 Possibly but his C0 explosion would cause him to take a ton of time to revive. Also your forgetting the Zetsu can travel in the earth due to their hashirama bodies to avoid that
@@historyking9984 also you forgetting Deidara, Nagato, Muu, Rasa and others can fly while Manda 2 and less valuable edo shinobies will be killing those Zetsus. Zetsu army is non factor here
@@vvebsta6237 not really. The Zetsu can travel through the ground and find Kabuto extremely fast since he’s staying in one place. Then Obito can attack him directly if he wanted to
He most definetly knows since Madara would have inform him in the passed, even then the leaf and the cloud know about those weapons and he has zetsu to keep him inform if he for some reason didn't
They require a lot of prep work to use, the only one that’s actually threatening to Obito in my eyes is the amber purification jar, which is the strongest by far due to how much easier it is to accomplish said objective
@@bigrob8517 Well yeah, Madara taught obito about the forbidden Uchiha techniques, Rikudou jutsus, and shadow and light style. And he had black zetsu to explain things further; when you consider that obito was one of the most knowledgeable people about the sage of six paths and the juubi him knowing about those weapons would be expected, especially since the Leaf and the cloud knew about it due to kinkaku and kenkaku causing trouble with them
Glad to see you got your channel back TG! I think White Mask Obito would lose this war, quite handily. Edo Tensei Army as a whole is just gonna be above the White Zetsu, quite easily. The Akatsuki were made with the idea of battling Jinchuriki who are stronger than the Tailed Beasts and in some cases, Akatsuki 1v1'd Jinchuriki and won. Meaning Akatsuki>Jinchuriki>Tailed Beasts. We also have Kage who are on par or stronger than some of the Tailed Beasts as well (3rd Raikage>8 Tails>7 Tails and below). Only thing Kabuto has to be worried about is Gedo Mazo and Edo Madara should be able to hold it off Also, Obito sucking up enemies just gives Kabuto's army access to his body hiding away in the Kamui Dimension.
Yeah I definitely agree the Gedo Statue is a way better asset in this situation, if Obito leads with the Bijuu it could be detrimental. For the Kamui part Obito can place them at different spots in the dimension an example being Fuu and Torune and how he chucked them in there while Sasuke and Karin were there and they never saw each other. It’s more so that Kakashi sent Naruto to exactly where Obito was which is consistent with the Kaguya fight as Obito notes he can somewhat trace the chakra signature through her rifts, so he should be able to Kamui who he chooses.
When Madara was talking to Kabuto he asked if he knew their plan and Kabuto didn't seem surprised that Madara was aware... If Kabuto thinks that Madara was part of the plan, then he'd probably not risk using him AGAINST Obito unless he used some personality suppressing thing like Orochimaru did with the 1st and 2nd against Hiruzen.... which would make Madara garbage... so Kabuto probably won't use Madara at all... Its also hilarious how Kabuto unknowingly gave Obito the kinkaku option too, something Obito COULD HAVE NEVER IMAGINED was possible.
The only problem I have with this Hypothesis is the fact you never took into account the only reason the Zetsu army managed to slow down the alliance and take out people was because they were infiltrating their rank by taking the appearance/chakra signature of many alliance Ninjas and backstabbing them like he did with Neji. It’s a whole different story for Kabuto’s Edo Army cause the moment one show off his hands unless they have like a sealing jutsu of their own « news flash they don’t » the army will just start blasting left and right the second they see one another and if the one they blasted regenerate they know they gucci. The Zetsu army is a joke if the ennemies doesn’t effing care about friendly fire. There’s no Zetsu or amalgamation of Zetsus that can pause a real threat to most Edo Tenseis. Talking like Zetsu would slow them down enough for X to happen is laughable at best cause no they wouldn’t be slowing them down. xD
Fantastic video. Going over all the evidence on paper it really seems like Obito himself is honestly a much bigger threat on his own than his ENTIRE army he assembled, which is crazy. His 6 Paths Jinchuriki got all put on their asses by BM bee, In V2 they can’t even overtake KCM1, Naruto, Kakashi, Guy, and Bee even with the slight numbers advantage, and then KCM2 Naruto bullies hem all. They’d basically all kinda get effed in BM by Amaterasu spam combined with all the other crazy Edo jutsu. But then Obito is solo-stalling KCM2 Naruto, tanking his Rasengans to the face (to be fair his mask probably took most of the damage), pinning down Bee in Biju Mode with his Kamui weapons while also fighting Kakashi and Guy too. The man is insane. As for the Zetsu army, honestly Deidara + Kakuzu + Kimimaro + Rasa probably sweep the a good number of them with their large scale jutsu. And being real here…Kabuto getting wrecked by Madara after summoning him would be top ten Naruto funny moments.
Obito is the biggest idiot of the series in my opinion. Dude had everything and yet fumbled every potential alliance he could have made. Every deal he makes fails
Good video. I also think Obito can get rid of some of troublesome edo tenseis with his human path (he clearly do has access to it since he going to whoop soul from Yamato) and with those black rods that Madara used to restrain Hashirama + chakra chains, strong enough to tie up KCM Naruto
Agree and I know y’all added the what if Madara decided to help Kabuto at the end there. Well, again looking at it realistically he’d either do one of two things since we know Kabuto can’t control Madara similarly to Orochimaru not being able to control Hashirama. 1. If the Juubi wasn’t revived in time he could theoretically help by waiting for the right time to have Obito revive himself. Remember, Obito CANNOT become the juubi jinchuriki until the seal on his heart is broken. So in reality, Madara would Uno reverse both Obito and Kabuto and become the juubi jinchuriki once he’s revived and his limbo 2. If the Juubi was revived but in its initial forms then nothing from the first point would change. Madara would still wait for the right time to revive himself with Obito as the sacrifice and Zetsu switching to Madara’s side. Then Kabuto in general wouldn’t matter
I think Obito has a permanent solution for any edo tensei in the human path of the renigan , as he could just yoink the soul out of any problem soldier which kabuto would have to personally re-summon.
@@vvebsta6237 yea but he stated that he could use all of the abilties of the rinnegan but chose not to not only because it consumed too much chakra but because all of his opponents knew how to counter rinnegan.(naruto,kakashi) we literally see him use the chakra rods and rinne rebirth.. which are both abilities granted by rinnegan so why wouldn’t he able to use the others
Don’t Deidara and Mu solo Obito’s forces. He can use the microscopic bombs to wipe out the Zetsus. The edo just come back if they’re caught. The particle style deals with the only real threat Obito has which is the Gedo statue. I’d give it to Kabuto
Nagato can summon the Geto statue anyway. So it don't matter. He also has access to their chakra already because of it and that means he can become the 10 tails jinchurriki if he wanted to at any moment as long as he has Nagato
Glad You got Your channel back! Gotta say, I feel a tiny bit peeved that You made this video right after I made a similar one, but I know You probably don't know my channel even exists 😅. But anyways, good to see You back man!
Something you guys forgot i think is that if obito starts putting people in kamui dimension, every time he phases after that the people in the dimension can just attack his body
So I address this in a couple other comments where he drops people and where he phases are two different spots, he literally is phasing/throws fuu and torune in there and Karin/Sasuke don’t see them or have any idea. The only example is Kakashi and you can just say he tracked obitos chakra signature.
@ThunderGod thats fair tbh, though that still means he cant casually kamui in anyone with good sensory abilities or marking techniques Kiba's dynamic marking coming in clutch finally 😤
Fun video I have a few thoughts. Madara undoing his contract was while kabuto was taken out, we don't have evidence that he can do that when kabuto is still alive/active. Also if kabuto doesn't have the ability to control madara then he wouldnt have been able to show him off infront of obito when they first met, I imagine he can choose how much control he has over madara much better then a freshly revived orochimaru who hasnt been able to use his hands until this point can control harashima. Why would kabuto have to send everyone out but obito can just wait? In this scenario there isnt a naruto running around that everyone is trying to grab/defend. Kabuto isnt going to just spread his army out to find obito for no reason, he could just surround himself with his best edos wait for obito just as easily as obito waits for him. No one on obito's side has sealing jutsu other then im assuming obito, how does he deal with the edos? Even if he absorbs them they dont necessarily die or lose control, we dont have any evidence that would happen. If he does absorb some of them why wouldn't they attack him from inside his dimension like kakashi did? If obito managed to get the 10 tails using the gold and silver brothers, which is very dangerous for him as they could just as easily catch him with the ninja tools as he inevitably leaves himself open when he tries to fight against multiple opponents at once. Say he does and summons the 10 tails how does he control it without madara? He already misses a tail beast bomb in the real timeline because he loses control and thats with madara's help. Does it just rampage around destroying everything at this stage? Then if it kills kabuto the edo army doesnt dissappear so then where does obito go from there, does he have to absorb the 10 tails himself? It all seems to be going too far in the same direction as the mainline story with too many assumptions in obito's favour. I don't know why everyone always assumes kabuto will just stay in his cave the entire time and not also engage on the battlefield in what if scenario's, being relative to obito himself in power. Why wouldnt he have all of the akatsuki by his side and take on obito? He has the advantage of information on his techniques while obito has no idea about kabutos sage mode abilities. Obito struggles against an exhausted naruto, guy and kakashi so im not sure how he deals with kabuto and his edos in a direct confrontation. The tail beasts are a little bit of a tricky area in this scenario, if one of them gets destroyed it ruins the entire plan, the akatsuki are tail beast level alone even before they were immortal so having the tail beasts engage with the edo army is dangerous for obitos end goal. Honestly I see this as a relatively easy win for kabuto unless obito gets 10 tails, but he doesn't start with it so I dont see why we give it to him during the scenario as it's a completely different situation with too many variables to give him the benefit of doubt. Thanks for the content 👍🏻
Appreciate the love I would address some of these I just don’t got the strength to address them in the comments, I will say I’m generally a big believe Obito and Madara are more ~ whereas Kabuto is more of a rival to Itachi/EMS Sasuke. The Madara stuff I’ve addressed in other comments so you can peep around for that, appreciate the love ✊🏻
@@ThunderGodTG Fair enough, I see obito white mask being on madara tier with the jinchuriki and gedo but without the jinchuriki more on kabutos/orange mask obito level if not slightly more vulnerable without a usable izanagi. Have har a read through the top madara comments and seems pretty divided opinions. I dont have too strong an opinion either way, my argument would be I dont think kabuto in this situation needs him and if he does use him and he switches sides then kabuto loses but then probably so does obito not long after. Keep up the work bud 👍🏻
17:18 Rescind Re-send But Dont stress the s sound midway through the word So instead of ReSend its more like Ree-ss-end , double s for ssssss sound like a snake as opposed to hard S sound
@@ryan8894 Why not? Itachi blized Nagato with the Totsuka blade, Nagato was relative ti Kcm1 Naruto, also Obito is not fighting Itachi one on one, Itachi has a lot of allies and even in a one on One Itachi can still create clones (and maybe they could use Totsuka Blade too, note sure about that)
@Sergio Arisio Obito far surpasses KCM1 Naruto, he was fighting KCM2 Naruto, Bee, Kakashi, and Guy The only thing we've seen be able to touch Rinnegan Obito is Kakashi's Kamui
This is just contrarian nonsense. The white Zetsu are Chunin level. The reason they were able to kill so many of the shinobi was because they can perfectly mimic a person's appearance and chakra. This is where they got the bulk of their kills in. The grunt Edos are pretty much wiping them all out since we never really saw any White Zetsu doing anything outside the aforementioned cloak and dagger stuff. The second Obito pulls out the tailed beast, Kabuto is going to assume greater control, namely bringing Nagato onto the field and just sealing them away. The only issue is the Gedo Mazo, but if the tailed beast are sealed, it's pretty much just a stalemate Madara is a troll and if he comes on the field, he's going to see what's up. He could have released at any time but only did it when the jutsu was canceled. Kabuto may not know if Madara can release the seal, but he only left him alone because he was preoccupied with the entire battlefield. Since he's just dealing with Obito, he has no reason to give up the reins and would IMMEDIATELY assume control if he noticed something funky was happening
We literally see the Zetsu tag and grab fighters like Neji, they lost half their forces in the first day all the copying chakra stuff is irrelevant to the first wave. The fact that the Edos themselves didn't steam roll the alliance should be telling of this, an example being how the Third Raikage is getting repelled by random shinobi or how Gengetsu is just slouching around with the clam genjutsu. Nobody's saying the Zetsu are > That'd be illogical however when combined with Obito who is > than anbyody on Kabtuo's side and a Gedo Statue that can tank 95% of the Edo Tensei's attacks. It's very easy for Obito to selectively choose who to take off the board. As far as the Edo Tensei, Tobirama believed since he was brought back near to FP he could flex off Orochimaru's binding , this only wasn't true due to there being a Zetsu base used. Even minor Edo resist the Edo Tensei commands during the war like Hanzo who stabs himself and what not. Madara himself also remarks the jutsu is extremely weak to him so there shouldn't be any reason he can't flex it off. Also using the word contrarian doesn't make you seem smarter don't be an internet weirdo.
Keep in mind the zetsu army was reduced down to 50k after 1 day WITH the aid of the edo's. But also, they were fighting the shinobi alliance of 80,000 shinobi instead of tens if not hundreds of edos max. So it's an unquantifiable nerf and a buff I guess, so it's the same in terms of speculation. But thoughts?
Yeah we briefly touched on it, it’s really hard to quantify but it’s almost irrelevant in the convo since even stronger edo’s like the Third took some amount of time to run through regular shinobi while on auto pilot
Can you make a video about who are kage candidates or have kage potencial from each village like on what kakashi said that shikaku nara could be Hokage. Me especially think Choza akimichi and Kitsuchi of the hidden rock are kage potencial they were extremely effective during the 4th shinobi war.
Plot twist, if madara breaks out of edo he’s fighting on obitos side because he’s the one that needs the 10 tails and obito alive so he can come back to life.
9:00 you cant kamui edo tensei nagato away because you can't put him under genjutsu, due to him having rinnegan, so while inside of the kamui demention, he will hit obito while he try to phase
What stops Kabuto from taking direct control of Itachi and Totsuka stabbing all the tailed beast the second Obito summons them? Is the KinGin bros more important than Itachi and Nagato who can destroy the tailed beast very effectively. Who controls the Gedo Statue? Nagato or Obito? If it is Obito putting it the Tailed Beast inside the Gedo Statue makes it a huge target for Muu, Itachi or Nagato.
You'd have to basically plug in and take control of Kabuto, he "can" it's just we were keeping it more in character in which kabuto doesn't care about gin and kin
Never mind the KinGin Bros. If Obito got spooked or desperate enough to summon the Tailed Beast I think it is very much in character for Kabuto to use Itachi or Muu to nuke either the statue or the beast themselves as leverage over Obito. He was willing to kill Naruto and Bee immediately I don’t see why he wouldn’t immediately nuke the statue or use Itachi to kill a tailed beast. Both the statue and the beast serve Obito negatively due to Itachi, Muu and Nagato all having highly effective measures to deal with them very quickly. They are almost unusable Vs. Itachi and Nagato as they will be killed or drained of chakra immediately.
It depends entirely if he decides to use them, I say in the vid the Gedo Statue runs so many less risks so it depends how you think he leads with, I do agree the Bijuu are very susceptible to a lot of Edo which is where Obito himself comes into play picking certain fighters off.
Excluding Madara. Kabuto has like 30 edos that can take on tailed beast and his heavy hitters can take on the Gedo Statue. He himself can beat anything in the battlefield.
What happens when kabuto just doesn’t summon kinkaku/ginkaku? Obito looses his clear win con and kabuto doesn’t really loose that much. He’d have to know that obito needs the twins and he’s gonna need to avoid summoning madara but without those three out there I don’t see how the zetsu stop the edo tensei before they reach obito
Gotta totally disagree man. The Edo Tensei have limitless regeneration and chakra and can't be sealed. With all the ninjutsu at their disposal, stuff as simple as a fire ball jutsu catching two-three zetsu at a time from a guy who can't be sealed and can't run out of chakra is just devastating. Combine that with every unit involved and it's a godstomp for Kabuto. The Gedo Statue also isn't even that fast, and it's attacks might hit white zetsu soldiers by accident. The Gedo isn't immortal just incredibly hard to defeat- it will eventually be brought down. It's a miracle Obito lasted in the war that long, and that miracle was only possible with the edo tensei. The tailed beasts are usually defeated by kage level ninja and Kabuto has a surplus of dead kage, plus his Akatsuki. Kabuto's combined forces can easily take down one tailed beast bare minimum and then focus the Gedo from there. Kabuto doesn't need that many edo tensei to beat Obito, just a few, maybe a few Akatsuki members and he could win.
It's definitely not a question of which army is stronger, Kabuto just doesn't have a clear path to victory nor any chance against Obito himself who can pick and choose targets, but it does depend on how Obito leads and what not.
@@ThunderGodTG Kabuto can clear the enemy far easier than you think. Kabuto's path to victory is killing Obito and finding his location. Destroying his units along the way is child's play, besides the Gedo Mazou. Kabuto would probably assign a squad to locating/killing Obito, and Torune who fought him before would probably be on that squad. I'm sure they would fail however and Kabuto will have to send new edo tensei, but I think his path to victory is pretty obvious.
I personally believe Obito vs Kabuto isn't too much of a debate Obito is more ~ To Edo Madara who Kabuto isn't really close to in strength. If you think otherwise that I will agree that does somewhat dictate it, but the main premise in the vid was that Kabuto can't fight/manage Edo Tensei selectively at the same time so they're tradeoffs to both, with Obito being able to retreat to the Kamui dimension a lot easier.
@@ThunderGodTG I agree that Obito can take Kabuto 1v1 but I as you and New Horizons said in the video, he is somewhat relative/close enough that a death squad plus Kabuto could do it. One of the things you guys pointed out was that Kabuto's edo tensei got sealed as the result of him having them on auto pilot. While Obito can def BFR the edo tensei and take advantage of this, it won't win him the war. And, the white zetsu can't beat the edo tensei even if they're on autopilot, so it's not a big deal. That's why I think it's weird you and New Horizons make it such a big problem when the edo tensei aren't losing to the zetsu anyway. The only opponents that require complex problem solving are the Gedo, tailed beasts and Obito, which is a smaller number than the edo. And it only takes one of the tailed beasts to die before Obito's plan is effectively ruined, which I think would happen quicker than Obito getting to Kinkaku/Ginkaku. The tailed beasts just aren't THAT STRONG compared to every other kage Kabuto has, and they can probably beat them on autopilot eventually. Kabuto could just put them on autopilot and give them a directive like "kill the tailed beasts and try to ignore the zetsu if you can", which is something Kabuto has done before
@@Sweetlesishere The white zetsu aren't going to beat the edo tensei, they serve strictly to keep them preoccupied, even minor shinobi were able to decent against the Edo Tensei to the point they weren't just running through them, it is going to take a decent amount of time, The thing about Kabtuo and the Tailed Beasts is that they can always be returned to Gedo Statue, but I do are generally the Statue performs better. Generally it just depend a bit on how you interpret the fights, we just kept it in character.
Honestly having itachi and nagato approach the actual war would have sercured the W for them, naruto wouldnt be there to break itachi out of edo tensi control so him, madara and nagato are no diffing everyone and when naruto does appear with killer bee and possibly frees itachi madara would handle it, both at once lol
I think that we have so many fighters and factors in this that just result in Obito losing. For example what if Itachi Toska blades a tailed beast and sealed them away. Or if nagato absorbs the barrier protecting the tailed beast. What if deidara uses his C0 and one shots all the zetsu. He just has so much man power and such a raw arsenal I think obito gets overwhelmed and loses.
looking at how this turns out it all depends on the madara summoning. whose side is he on ,does he repel the jutsu. also obito just needs to capture Kabuto and performs and izanami
It wasn't proven wether or not Madara could break out of edo tensai. All we do know is that once it was released he was able to resend the contract gaining hid freewill and so on.
@@ThunderGodTG but not when he was first summoned. I agree that using Madara in the same way he used the rest of his Edos (some of them had their free will and I dont think Kabuto ever tried to restrict madara) would be stupid. But he should be able to keep him surpressed by not allowing his personality to shine through from the start. However that would nerf madaras effectivness extensivly. The Hokage couldnt be surpressed, by Oro in the war because Sasuke wanted answers. In order to tell tales the Edo tensei needs to be himself. The idea that Madaras "personality" is so edgy that he can break out of dumb zombiemode is a bit of a long reach. Madaras experience, knowledge, Jutsu and Chakrareserves are what makes it a difficult to control summon. Take Personality and Experience away and just like Hashirama in part one he will be an obedient puppet (without a brain to be fair but hey... cant have it all).
You guys straight up ignored that Nagato has the Gedo statue. 😂 so you think he can't just put the tailed beast in the gedo that Nagato summons and become the 10 tails jinchurrik? Lmao So Obito gets to have Gedo and go after making the 10 tails but the main person known for using it in combat first can't. That's a huge oversight
I actually don’t recall if I said this in the vid since it’s been a while, but it’s actually heavily implied Edo Tensei rinnegan cant summon the Gedo statue, since Madara never does it till he’s alive even after Obito’s defeated, nor does Kabuto force Nagato to summon it. The 2 tails makes a distinct not about the Edo Tensei rinnegan being FAR inferior to the new thing also evidence with Madara just gaining more abilities while alive.
Here's how I would write the end of the fight. Regardless of how it goes up to this point, Kabuto reanimated somebody who doesn't want either one to win and kills thek both. This could work more easily with Madara, but I think it would be especially funny for Itachi to do. Kotoamataukami's his way free, gets Obito with the Totsuka blade (despite Kamui) and does whatever genjutsu to fuck up Kabuto
FIRST OF ALL Kabuto captured Yamato, so in this hypothetical, the Zetsu would NOT be upgraded. But EVEN IF I gave you that, I'm pretty sure the upgrade was not for stats. It was to allow them to morph into other shinobi/change their chakra signature, which would not be relevant in a fight against edo's. Edo army stomps, hands down :P
Yeah we said that was a minor concession we did for the sake of convo otherwise it’s neigh impossible to talk about the white Zetsu, I would say the upgrade did refer to stats just due to how Zetsu even before being amped by Kabuto could copy Kisame’s chakra and morph into him
If the ten tails just sat therr and let itachi hit him with that totsuka sword, would it seal the ten tails? And can it break out somehow or is it stuck in that bottle?
The Gunbai is a huge counter to any Edo Tensei as it was able to reflect a Rasengan from KCM2 Naruto. Almost no edo scales to that besides Madara and its debatable if Madara would fight for Kabuto against Obito.
Honestly the way the war went, the only reason anyone stood a chance was because Kishimpto decided "Kabuto can't win. He's not an Uchiha." So Kabuto started doing stuff that only served to help everyone else. In an all out fight i doubt he's that careless.
It doesn’t really matter where they are, what matters is that they’re threatening to Jonnin is the main take away both forces were cut 50%, with on screen Jonnin like Neji noted to be struggling
Zetsus Die, Edo Tensei Don´t Die, Edo Tensei Wins, the thing is, WHY KABUTO IS HELPING OBITO? like... Obito has NO CHANCE, if i realy do not understand his confidence against Kabuto the First Time they meet, even just the Edo Akatsuki+Kabuto, can kill him, yes would take time, BUT, think about it, Obito can´t hurt Kabuto or the Edo Tenseis sooo. how he can win? Kamui is Terrible against that much fire power, bucause if they are inside Kamui and Obito Uses Kamui, they can Hit him fron inside, and even if he try to kill then inside, he can´t they are immortal and can´t hurt Kabuto with any fisical atack, even more than that , even if they are not immortal(what is not the case) Obito inside Kamui, is Just Tired Kakashi Level, the only thing that made him scary is Kamui, sooo i realy can´t see a world when Obito Wins. i realy think every gives too much credit to Obito, for no Good Reason.
btw ain't it weird that Kinkaku and Ginkaku came back to life with a full tank of kyuubi chakra. Did naruto give Neji any chakra? Cause with a little edo tensei we could use some of that too... FULL tank of 9 tail chakra stocked away in the pure lands, no seal needed (like with Minato)
Kabuto's goal was to make obito & shinobi alliance fight each other so that he can capitalize in the aftermath, He doesn't give a shit about controling madara he only summoned madara just to troll obito and to wreck havoc to shinobi alliance
Someone should talk more about the random duo's like when Kabuto showed up to the Jinchuriki turtle Island with a reanimated Deidara. How strong was that Duo really? Would be cool to talk about what would happen if that Duo was sent to capture Killer bee or a hypothetical against Pain etc.
Ya I don’t know why this isn’t obvious then bring in the past kage from other villages and the rest of the army. Obito is gonna need more than a fire barrier, tailed beast and white zetsu army to win this fight.
Kabuto can take on the tailed beast with his strongest edo tensies. Itachi, Nagato, the third raikage, and hanzo if his poison from his Salamander works on tailed beast, Raiza of the sand/Gaaras dad can take on the one tails/especially as edo tensie as he fought one tails when he was alive, Dedera, that one bug shinobi to that was brought back as edo tensie could touch the tailed beast and the tailed beast would get spread and turn purple by poisonous bugs, Nagato can simply use planetary devastation, Muu can turn invisable and use particle jutsu/Madara even had to absorb that jutsu yet he was able to tank every other jutsu in his susano/Particle jutsu can more then likely heavily damage if not fatally wound tailed beast seeing that Madara had to absorb it instead of tanking it with perfect susano, ginkaku brothers can take on the tailed beast with there sixth paths tools or kurama mode or seal them plus its edo tensie kurama mode/ whichever works, Kakazu could take on tailed beast alive with Hidan but Hidan was not much help meaning he can take on tailed beasts alone/ especially as edo tensie with infinite regen, Third raikage could fight head to head with tailed beasts while alive let alone edo tensie/ the only ever thing that hurt him and killed him whether alive or edo tensied was himself/ not even the 8 to tails was able to damage him even at all, that one mist kage could help as well being a distraction for the tailed beast if it works/ with him misting the place and using his clam to deceive them, there is more strong edo tenies that Kabuto could use for the tailed beasts. But, that is just a couple of them. Madara could take on tailed beasts to but if Kabuto was able to control him. If not it will be a uno reverse card like you said. But, Kabuto is not dumb he would not summon him if he knew that he would turn on him especially in a war like this. So, if tailed beasts come out he can use those strong fighters I stated. Even Just Nagato alone can solo all the tailed beasts. Itachi can do so as well with his sword in edo tensie If had only him against the tailed beasts yoinking each tailed beasts. While he focused on having full control of only him for that part of the battlefield and having less control on the rest while doing so. Or having control here and their like he did the original with a health infinite regen itachi yoinking each tailed beast sealing them like he did Orochimaru in his hydra form. While Kabuto focuses on the other battle fields as well. Or him using only Nagato to planetary devastation the tailed beasts and enclose them like what Sasuke did. Except with this its a infinite health regen Nagato doing it. He can use only him while focusing on the other battle fields as well. Or he can use the other strong fighters I mentioned as well. So, Obito's major playing cards would be dealt with and he would die. Kabuto has too great of edo tensie for Obito to handle without the tailed beasts. Kabuto alone can also take on Obito If it was a one v one or even against him and the jinchuriki. Kabuto can regen, he can use his sage mode to move through walls/earth stuff, he can use kimimaru bones, he can use those twin sound 4 jutsu, he can use orochimarus jutsus to help him regen, he can use the sound 4 girl ninjas sound jutsu to genjutsu Obito and the jinchurki, Which even if Obito left into the Kamui for that jutsu to not hit him he would not have enough time to take the jinchurki with him. They would get trapped in a genjutsu. Obito would then come back and it would be a one v one and Kabuto can always pull out that sound jutsu which would make Obito leave. If he gets caught in the sound jutsu Obito is done for the fight is over, So either way Kabuto would win that if the sound genjutsu hits. Nothing Obito can do to totally put Kabuto down. Kabuto can regen using orochimaru's jutsu and using the sage mode where he can go in rocks and earth like stuff. So, its a total win for Kabuto. Unless Kabuto pulls out Madara and he cannot control him. But, then he would have to use those strong edo tensie I talked about earlier that can take on tailed beasts. To take on that Madara and he is done for.
Btw, Kabuto can control Madara. In fact he didn't even try to control real Madara because he wanted to see the power of Madara who was amped with Hashirama cells. Kabuto can take over Madara's consciousness if he wants to
Obitos only real issue is madara. Other than that we can look at how kabutos army did against naruto and get a pretty good idea of how obito would fair against them.
This video is incoherent, you do kabuto vs obito but allow Madara to be Madara and get that wrong as well. First off if you are allowing Madara to do what he wants then obito doesn't win because Madara will go after him alwell. Madara's plan was to always come back alive, so he will betray Obito and Kabuto. If you remove Madara following his plan then you got it correct at end of video Madara will dominate and give Kabuto the win. If you decide to remove Madara from equation thenit becomes more interesting but I think Kabuto could still win because of Nagoto's rinnegan. Obito couldn't use all of rinnegan abilities but Nagato could and Nagato backed by edo's would be able to win. The zetsu are fodder. Another factor you haven't consider is the edo's willingness to follow Kabuto, they tried to help the shinobi alliance as much as possible, against Obito they will do what they can to defeat him because of no attachments to him. Konan also has a good understanding of Obitio's weakness and would give that info to Kabuto and he would organize the Edo's to defeat him.
My question is whats stopping itachi from totska bladeing the 10 tails. I feel like thats one of the most welp moments lol. Its like the madara moment for kabuto.
I agree especially, because they were giving obito Kabutos enhanced white zetsu, and forgetting that the edo have their own minds so they would have access to things like itachi being their strategist. And none of this gets into madara.
Getting a lot of people commenting without watching lmao, Madara does not solo if that's your initial thoughts please watch the video
Oof look at my comment. I was going to finish but now I genuinely don’t know.
Probably won’t.
Madara. Has. A. Heart. Seal. On. Óbito. He literally has to snap his fingers.
@@jakepearson1254 You gotta watch the vid fam, I'l say this Madara is definitely not supporting Kabuto
@@ThunderGodTG now you got me. Because I don’t remember if madara had free will before or after Kabuto died…but either way, “Kabutos” army would win.
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Kabuto may be able to put Madara under direct control as soon as he summons him. Kabuto’s mistake in cannon was letting him keep his personality so that changes the whole end of the battle
Finally! It's a pleasure to see some people trying to understand things instead of blindly fapping on Madara/Hashirama. Ofc they can be controlled if you put their mind in check before letting them weaving hand signs
It wouldn’t work when orochiamru summoned hashirama orochimaru coudlnt and madara is a rival for hashirama so madara should be able to replicate that same feat easily
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@@Storytime.. Orochimaru Edo tensai is way different the Kabuto. Also Madara is literally modded
@@BlaxkSun no orochimarus edo tensei is the same it’s confirmed . He literally steals kabutos new info and uses it to make his hokage edos in the war
One funny thing Obito has up his sleeves too :
The white zetsu, may be a big army of mobs. But one catch is, white Zetsu is actually very good at spying and gathering Intel's really fast by traveling through the ground with his big numbers of clones. He can cover a wide area.
So white Zetsu can possibly, after a while, pinpoint the location of Kabuto. And from that point in time, Obito would just have to teleport the Gedo statue in the area, toss out a few tale beasts and nuke the general direction of Kabuto.
The Edo Tensei would still go on. But without the support of Sage Kabuto. So, no additional Edo Tensei summoning from that moment, and the biggest reliable asset of the army would be out (Edo Madara is not really a Kabuto asset).
Kabuto does have a Rashomon gate summoning to survive let's say 1 Biju bomb. But he is not gonna survive a barrage of Biju bombs busting out the cave.
It sucks cause Kabuto's army is way cooler than Obito's.
Kabuto has his location protected by a barrier jutsu that only Nagato was able to pinpoint. He’s definitely not using them to grab Kabuto’s coordinates or otherwise he would’ve just made them do it instead of attaching some white Zetsu spores as a precaution. And how or when those spores would even activate is unknown because they only came out when Jugo used his chakra to stimulate them so…that’s a weird X factor honestly.
Agreed. If Obito can find out his location with white zetsu its a done deal.
Kabuto wouldn't be affected by the biju bombs. He would liquefy himself to negate the damage.
@hobbyhorse5848 it's actually really smart cause the only reason that jugo activated the spores is due to his sage chakra, and kabutos new powers are mostly related to jugos chakra, so basically he new kabuto was a sage but didn't know he unlike the others, doesn't have a natural affinity for it
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While fighting the Edo tensei army, Obito is unlikely to be able to absorb them into the kamui dimension. A stronger Edo could break free there and prevent him from teleporting further as Kakashi did.
In a situation like this, pulling anyone into the Kamui dimension is a terrible move. Remember what happened when Kakashi was in there? Any time Obito used Kamui to make himself intangible, he'd just beat up the part of Obito's body that spawns in Kamui.
So taking any of the Edo's into Kamui is just giving them a free pass to fuck him up, and preventing him from using his invincibility hacks on the battlefield.
I’ve dropped this comment a couple of times but, that’s hyper specific as where Obito materializes in the dimension and where he drops people are the seperate spots.
We can see this with how he fights fuu/torune and drops them in the Kamui dimension, and Sasuke/Karin who are in there have no idea any of that is going on. You could say Kakashi does what Obito does to Kaguya and somewhat tracks the chakra signature but, yeah they’re not the same spots
@@ThunderGodTG it's specific, but not improbable. All it requires is for Obito to suck one of them up. He's clearly got no awareness of what happens inside that dimension unless he's there too (otherwise he'd make those pieces spawn far away from where Kakashi is to prevent him from getting any cheap shots in).
Heck we see this exact scenario play out: They send one of Naruto's shadow clones into the dimension and he just waits until Obito appears to ambush him. That's how they unmasked him. No reason this can't happen with an Edo
@@ThunderGodTG that's massive overthinking and overanalysis, kamui's weakness was pretty straightforward.
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Kabuto’s got far too many top tier fighters. And unlike the shinobi alliance the Edo don’t get tired and they can’t be sealed by the Zetsu I think if Obito uses the tailed beast well he can cause some problems
I mean...if we are being honest, all he needs is Deidara..he can go 'boom" non-stop and evaporate all zetsus and anyone around....his own army won't suffer since they cannot die.
@@ricardokojin7 Possibly but his C0 explosion would cause him to take a ton of time to revive. Also your forgetting the Zetsu can travel in the earth due to their hashirama bodies to avoid that
@@historyking9984 also you forgetting Deidara, Nagato, Muu, Rasa and others can fly while Manda 2 and less valuable edo shinobies will be killing those Zetsus.
Zetsu army is non factor here
@@vvebsta6237 Manda 2 gonna have a feast
@@vvebsta6237 not really. The Zetsu can travel through the ground and find Kabuto extremely fast since he’s staying in one place. Then Obito can attack him directly if he wanted to
A big one is if Obito knows about Kinkaku/Ginkaku's weapons. Because that could just end him via hax.
Good point.
He most definetly knows since Madara would have inform him in the passed, even then the leaf and the cloud know about those weapons and he has zetsu to keep him inform if he for some reason didn't
@@gjahmato8704 madara sure gave obito a lot of information on his deathbed.
They require a lot of prep work to use, the only one that’s actually threatening to Obito in my eyes is the amber purification jar, which is the strongest by far due to how much easier it is to accomplish said objective
@@bigrob8517 Well yeah, Madara taught obito about the forbidden Uchiha techniques, Rikudou jutsus, and shadow and light style. And he had black zetsu to explain things further; when you consider that obito was one of the most knowledgeable people about the sage of six paths and the juubi him knowing about those weapons would be expected, especially since the Leaf and the cloud knew about it due to kinkaku and kenkaku causing trouble with them
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I think White Mask Obito would lose this war, quite handily. Edo Tensei Army as a whole is just gonna be above the White Zetsu, quite easily. The Akatsuki were made with the idea of battling Jinchuriki who are stronger than the Tailed Beasts and in some cases, Akatsuki 1v1'd Jinchuriki and won. Meaning Akatsuki>Jinchuriki>Tailed Beasts. We also have Kage who are on par or stronger than some of the Tailed Beasts as well (3rd Raikage>8 Tails>7 Tails and below).
Only thing Kabuto has to be worried about is Gedo Mazo and Edo Madara should be able to hold it off
Also, Obito sucking up enemies just gives Kabuto's army access to his body hiding away in the Kamui Dimension.
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Yeah I definitely agree the Gedo Statue is a way better asset in this situation, if Obito leads with the Bijuu it could be detrimental. For the Kamui part Obito can place them at different spots in the dimension an example being Fuu and Torune and how he chucked them in there while Sasuke and Karin were there and they never saw each other.
It’s more so that Kakashi sent Naruto to exactly where Obito was which is consistent with the Kaguya fight as Obito notes he can somewhat trace the chakra signature through her rifts, so he should be able to Kamui who he chooses.
When Madara was talking to Kabuto he asked if he knew their plan and Kabuto didn't seem surprised that Madara was aware... If Kabuto thinks that Madara was part of the plan, then he'd probably not risk using him AGAINST Obito unless he used some personality suppressing thing like Orochimaru did with the 1st and 2nd against Hiruzen.... which would make Madara garbage... so Kabuto probably won't use Madara at all...
Its also hilarious how Kabuto unknowingly gave Obito the kinkaku option too, something Obito COULD HAVE NEVER IMAGINED was possible.
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The only problem I have with this Hypothesis is the fact you never took into account the only reason the Zetsu army managed to slow down the alliance and take out people was because they were infiltrating their rank by taking the appearance/chakra signature of many alliance Ninjas and backstabbing them like he did with Neji. It’s a whole different story for Kabuto’s Edo Army cause the moment one show off his hands unless they have like a sealing jutsu of their own « news flash they don’t » the army will just start blasting left and right the second they see one another and if the one they blasted regenerate they know they gucci. The Zetsu army is a joke if the ennemies doesn’t effing care about friendly fire. There’s no Zetsu or amalgamation of Zetsus that can pause a real threat to most Edo Tenseis. Talking like Zetsu would slow them down enough for X to happen is laughable at best cause no they wouldn’t be slowing them down. xD
Fantastic video. Going over all the evidence on paper it really seems like Obito himself is honestly a much bigger threat on his own than his ENTIRE army he assembled, which is crazy. His 6 Paths Jinchuriki got all put on their asses by BM bee, In V2 they can’t even overtake KCM1, Naruto, Kakashi, Guy, and Bee even with the slight numbers advantage, and then KCM2 Naruto bullies hem all. They’d basically all kinda get effed in BM by Amaterasu spam combined with all the other crazy Edo jutsu. But then Obito is solo-stalling KCM2 Naruto, tanking his Rasengans to the face (to be fair his mask probably took most of the damage), pinning down Bee in Biju Mode with his Kamui weapons while also fighting Kakashi and Guy too. The man is insane.
As for the Zetsu army, honestly Deidara + Kakuzu + Kimimaro + Rasa probably sweep the a good number of them with their large scale jutsu. And being real here…Kabuto getting wrecked by Madara after summoning him would be top ten Naruto funny moments.
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One thing people forget is that obito has wood style, I guess it’s easy to forget saying even he did 😅😅
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I dont think Madara would join obito, I think he would just murk everyone but the ten tails
He needs Obito to rinne rebirth him otherwise the Ten Tails is useless to him
@@ThunderGodTG If Madara makes Obito use rinne rebirth then he's helping Kabuto
Obito is the biggest idiot of the series in my opinion. Dude had everything and yet fumbled every potential alliance he could have made. Every deal he makes fails
Obito is that one person that's played the game on god mode for so long, they make the least logical decisions possible due to being spoiled af
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Good video. I also think Obito can get rid of some of troublesome edo tenseis with his human path (he clearly do has access to it since he going to whoop soul from Yamato) and with those black rods that Madara used to restrain Hashirama + chakra chains, strong enough to tie up KCM Naruto
Oh I been waiting on this one
Anybody else wonder if Obito got PTSD upon seeing a Rasengan thanks to his fight with Minato?
Agree and I know y’all added the what if Madara decided to help Kabuto at the end there. Well, again looking at it realistically he’d either do one of two things since we know Kabuto can’t control Madara similarly to Orochimaru not being able to control Hashirama.
1. If the Juubi wasn’t revived in time he could theoretically help by waiting for the right time to have Obito revive himself. Remember, Obito CANNOT become the juubi jinchuriki until the seal on his heart is broken. So in reality, Madara would Uno reverse both Obito and Kabuto and become the juubi jinchuriki once he’s revived and his limbo
2. If the Juubi was revived but in its initial forms then nothing from the first point would change. Madara would still wait for the right time to revive himself with Obito as the sacrifice and Zetsu switching to Madara’s side. Then Kabuto in general wouldn’t matter
I think Obito has a permanent solution for any edo tensei in the human path of the renigan , as he could just yoink the soul out of any problem soldier which kabuto would have to personally re-summon.
He hasn't shown this ability. So he can't use human path
@@vvebsta6237 he want to use it with Yamato, but Kabuto stopped him from it, so he definitely has access to human path
@@АртиКотов-х8й general rule: if character didn't show his ability = he doesn't have it
@@vvebsta6237 yea, I know and it's definetly a stupid one
@@vvebsta6237 yea but he stated that he could use all of the abilties of the rinnegan but chose not to not only because it consumed too much chakra but because all of his opponents knew how to counter rinnegan.(naruto,kakashi) we literally see him use the chakra rods and rinne rebirth.. which are both abilities granted by rinnegan so why wouldn’t he able to use the others
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Don’t Deidara and Mu solo Obito’s forces. He can use the microscopic bombs to wipe out the Zetsus. The edo just come back if they’re caught.
The particle style deals with the only real threat Obito has which is the Gedo statue.
I’d give it to Kabuto
The microscopic bombs gotta be inhaled which is weird to argue since we don’t know if the zetsu actually breath or inhale air lmao
@@ThunderGodTGdoes he even bleed blood? Legit question
Nagato can summon the Geto statue anyway. So it don't matter. He also has access to their chakra already because of it and that means he can become the 10 tails jinchurriki if he wanted to at any moment as long as he has Nagato
@@jcw034 edo rinnegan can't summon the gedo statue and you need a real rinnegan to become a jinchuriki of the 10 tails
Kabuto squad winning no doubt lol 😂. Just the pure force of who he revived is crazy. There’s no way I see Obito army winning.
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That’s crazy😂😂 I’ll have to give it a watch
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Something you guys forgot i think is that if obito starts putting people in kamui dimension, every time he phases after that the people in the dimension can just attack his body
So I address this in a couple other comments where he drops people and where he phases are two different spots, he literally is phasing/throws fuu and torune in there and Karin/Sasuke don’t see them or have any idea. The only example is Kakashi and you can just say he tracked obitos chakra signature.
@ThunderGod thats fair tbh, though that still means he cant casually kamui in anyone with good sensory abilities or marking techniques
Kiba's dynamic marking coming in clutch finally 😤
LMAO that's a fact
This is something ive been wanting to see since they teamed up
Fun video I have a few thoughts.
Madara undoing his contract was while kabuto was taken out, we don't have evidence that he can do that when kabuto is still alive/active. Also if kabuto doesn't have the ability to control madara then he wouldnt have been able to show him off infront of obito when they first met, I imagine he can choose how much control he has over madara much better then a freshly revived orochimaru who hasnt been able to use his hands until this point can control harashima.
Why would kabuto have to send everyone out but obito can just wait? In this scenario there isnt a naruto running around that everyone is trying to grab/defend. Kabuto isnt going to just spread his army out to find obito for no reason, he could just surround himself with his best edos wait for obito just as easily as obito waits for him.
No one on obito's side has sealing jutsu other then im assuming obito, how does he deal with the edos? Even if he absorbs them they dont necessarily die or lose control, we dont have any evidence that would happen. If he does absorb some of them why wouldn't they attack him from inside his dimension like kakashi did?
If obito managed to get the 10 tails using the gold and silver brothers, which is very dangerous for him as they could just as easily catch him with the ninja tools as he inevitably leaves himself open when he tries to fight against multiple opponents at once. Say he does and summons the 10 tails how does he control it without madara? He already misses a tail beast bomb in the real timeline because he loses control and thats with madara's help. Does it just rampage around destroying everything at this stage? Then if it kills kabuto the edo army doesnt dissappear so then where does obito go from there, does he have to absorb the 10 tails himself? It all seems to be going too far in the same direction as the mainline story with too many assumptions in obito's favour.
I don't know why everyone always assumes kabuto will just stay in his cave the entire time and not also engage on the battlefield in what if scenario's, being relative to obito himself in power. Why wouldnt he have all of the akatsuki by his side and take on obito? He has the advantage of information on his techniques while obito has no idea about kabutos sage mode abilities. Obito struggles against an exhausted naruto, guy and kakashi so im not sure how he deals with kabuto and his edos in a direct confrontation.
The tail beasts are a little bit of a tricky area in this scenario, if one of them gets destroyed it ruins the entire plan, the akatsuki are tail beast level alone even before they were immortal so having the tail beasts engage with the edo army is dangerous for obitos end goal.
Honestly I see this as a relatively easy win for kabuto unless obito gets 10 tails, but he doesn't start with it so I dont see why we give it to him during the scenario as it's a completely different situation with too many variables to give him the benefit of doubt.
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Appreciate the love I would address some of these I just don’t got the strength to address them in the comments, I will say I’m generally a big believe Obito and Madara are more ~ whereas Kabuto is more of a rival to Itachi/EMS Sasuke. The Madara stuff I’ve addressed in other comments so you can peep around for that, appreciate the love ✊🏻
@@ThunderGodTG Fair enough, I see obito white mask being on madara tier with the jinchuriki and gedo but without the jinchuriki more on kabutos/orange mask obito level if not slightly more vulnerable without a usable izanagi. Have har a read through the top madara comments and seems pretty divided opinions. I dont have too strong an opinion either way, my argument would be I dont think kabuto in this situation needs him and if he does use him and he switches sides then kabuto loses but then probably so does obito not long after. Keep up the work bud 👍🏻
Appreciate the dialectic and for sure! I always like to hear people's takes since this is such a broad topic that there's always some shit we missed
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How would each Hokage handle the threat of Akatsuki
This is actually an insanely interesting concept.
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Would Itachi's totska blade seal the tailed beasts? If so, then I think Obito is pretty screwed
Why wouldn’t it their just chakra
It would seal Obito too😂
@@sergioarisio8921 obito was fighting kcm2 Naruto, he's not getting touched by the totska blade
@@ryan8894 Why not? Itachi blized Nagato with the Totsuka blade, Nagato was relative ti Kcm1 Naruto, also Obito is not fighting Itachi one on one, Itachi has a lot of allies and even in a one on One Itachi can still create clones (and maybe they could use Totsuka Blade too, note sure about that)
@Sergio Arisio Obito far surpasses KCM1 Naruto, he was fighting KCM2 Naruto, Bee, Kakashi, and Guy
The only thing we've seen be able to touch Rinnegan Obito is Kakashi's Kamui
Bros Back 🙏🏾 Great to have you back TG 🖤
Can nagato just, like...
Reverse summon the gedo statue?
This is just contrarian nonsense. The white Zetsu are Chunin level. The reason they were able to kill so many of the shinobi was because they can perfectly mimic a person's appearance and chakra. This is where they got the bulk of their kills in.
The grunt Edos are pretty much wiping them all out since we never really saw any White Zetsu doing anything outside the aforementioned cloak and dagger stuff.
The second Obito pulls out the tailed beast, Kabuto is going to assume greater control, namely bringing Nagato onto the field and just sealing them away. The only issue is the Gedo Mazo, but if the tailed beast are sealed, it's pretty much just a stalemate
Madara is a troll and if he comes on the field, he's going to see what's up. He could have released at any time but only did it when the jutsu was canceled. Kabuto may not know if Madara can release the seal, but he only left him alone because he was preoccupied with the entire battlefield. Since he's just dealing with Obito, he has no reason to give up the reins and would IMMEDIATELY assume control if he noticed something funky was happening
We literally see the Zetsu tag and grab fighters like Neji, they lost half their forces in the first day all the copying chakra stuff is irrelevant to the first wave. The fact that the Edos themselves didn't steam roll the alliance should be telling of this, an example being how the Third Raikage is getting repelled by random shinobi or how Gengetsu is just slouching around with the clam genjutsu. Nobody's saying the Zetsu are > That'd be illogical however when combined with Obito who is > than anbyody on Kabtuo's side and a Gedo Statue that can tank 95% of the Edo Tensei's attacks. It's very easy for Obito to selectively choose who to take off the board.
As far as the Edo Tensei, Tobirama believed since he was brought back near to FP he could flex off Orochimaru's binding , this only wasn't true due to there being a Zetsu base used. Even minor Edo resist the Edo Tensei commands during the war like Hanzo who stabs himself and what not. Madara himself also remarks the jutsu is extremely weak to him so there shouldn't be any reason he can't flex it off. Also using the word contrarian doesn't make you seem smarter don't be an internet weirdo.
That boy Cooked!
Keep in mind the zetsu army was reduced down to 50k after 1 day WITH the aid of the edo's.
But also, they were fighting the shinobi alliance of 80,000 shinobi instead of tens if not hundreds of edos max.
So it's an unquantifiable nerf and a buff I guess, so it's the same in terms of speculation.
But thoughts?
Yeah we briefly touched on it, it’s really hard to quantify but it’s almost irrelevant in the convo since even stronger edo’s like the Third took some amount of time to run through regular shinobi while on auto pilot
@@ThunderGodTG nah you mentioned they were reduced to 50k but didn't include the other context I mentioned ^^
Can you make a video about who are kage candidates or have kage potencial from each village like on what kakashi said that shikaku nara could be Hokage. Me especially think Choza akimichi and Kitsuchi of the hidden rock are kage potencial they were extremely effective during the 4th shinobi war.
I really like this I'll write it down appreciate the idea.
I imagine the face of Kabuto right after the uno reverse. Soo hilarious.
And Obito would be screwed right after Kabuto, double uno reverse ^^.
Kabuto's side is an honest stump, without the need for Madara.
Plot twist, if madara breaks out of edo he’s fighting on obitos side because he’s the one that needs the 10 tails and obito alive so he can come back to life.
Damn I was just thinking about how it’s about time you hopped on stream again .
I’m about to stream tomorrow if possible, going ballistic on the content this month
9:00 you cant kamui edo tensei nagato away because you can't put him under genjutsu, due to him having rinnegan, so while inside of the kamui demention, he will hit obito while he try to phase
Thunder god please make a tobirama vs akatsuki video
I’m 100% making one after my next upload
What stops Kabuto from taking direct control of Itachi and Totsuka stabbing all the tailed beast the second Obito summons them? Is the KinGin bros more important than Itachi and Nagato who can destroy the tailed beast very effectively. Who controls the Gedo Statue? Nagato or Obito? If it is Obito putting it the Tailed Beast inside the Gedo Statue makes it a huge target for Muu, Itachi or Nagato.
You'd have to basically plug in and take control of Kabuto, he "can" it's just we were keeping it more in character in which kabuto doesn't care about gin and kin
Never mind the KinGin Bros. If Obito got spooked or desperate enough to summon the Tailed Beast I think it is very much in character for Kabuto to use Itachi or Muu to nuke either the statue or the beast themselves as leverage over Obito. He was willing to kill Naruto and Bee immediately I don’t see why he wouldn’t immediately nuke the statue or use Itachi to kill a tailed beast. Both the statue and the beast serve Obito negatively due to Itachi, Muu and Nagato all having highly effective measures to deal with them very quickly. They are almost unusable Vs. Itachi and Nagato as they will be killed or drained of chakra immediately.
It depends entirely if he decides to use them, I say in the vid the Gedo Statue runs so many less risks so it depends how you think he leads with, I do agree the Bijuu are very susceptible to a lot of Edo which is where Obito himself comes into play picking certain fighters off.
What if Kakashi and Obito's Kamui ability were swapped.
Excluding Madara. Kabuto has like 30 edos that can take on tailed beast and his heavy hitters can take on the Gedo Statue. He himself can beat anything in the battlefield.
Haven't started watching it yet but I hope this one is my favorite
When talking about sealing jutsu can’t Obito use the human path? Also he could probably use the soul dragon thing Nagato used against Hanzo. Right?
Potentially it’s just not in his best interest or really in character
What happens when kabuto just doesn’t summon kinkaku/ginkaku? Obito looses his clear win con and kabuto doesn’t really loose that much. He’d have to know that obito needs the twins and he’s gonna need to avoid summoning madara but without those three out there I don’t see how the zetsu stop the edo tensei before they reach obito
Gotta totally disagree man. The Edo Tensei have limitless regeneration and chakra and can't be sealed. With all the ninjutsu at their disposal, stuff as simple as a fire ball jutsu catching two-three zetsu at a time from a guy who can't be sealed and can't run out of chakra is just devastating. Combine that with every unit involved and it's a godstomp for Kabuto. The Gedo Statue also isn't even that fast, and it's attacks might hit white zetsu soldiers by accident. The Gedo isn't immortal just incredibly hard to defeat- it will eventually be brought down. It's a miracle Obito lasted in the war that long, and that miracle was only possible with the edo tensei. The tailed beasts are usually defeated by kage level ninja and Kabuto has a surplus of dead kage, plus his Akatsuki. Kabuto's combined forces can easily take down one tailed beast bare minimum and then focus the Gedo from there. Kabuto doesn't need that many edo tensei to beat Obito, just a few, maybe a few Akatsuki members and he could win.
It's definitely not a question of which army is stronger, Kabuto just doesn't have a clear path to victory nor any chance against Obito himself who can pick and choose targets, but it does depend on how Obito leads and what not.
@@ThunderGodTG Kabuto can clear the enemy far easier than you think. Kabuto's path to victory is killing Obito and finding his location. Destroying his units along the way is child's play, besides the Gedo Mazou. Kabuto would probably assign a squad to locating/killing Obito, and Torune who fought him before would probably be on that squad. I'm sure they would fail however and Kabuto will have to send new edo tensei, but I think his path to victory is pretty obvious.
I personally believe Obito vs Kabuto isn't too much of a debate Obito is more ~ To Edo Madara who Kabuto isn't really close to in strength. If you think otherwise that I will agree that does somewhat dictate it, but the main premise in the vid was that Kabuto can't fight/manage Edo Tensei selectively at the same time so they're tradeoffs to both, with Obito being able to retreat to the Kamui dimension a lot easier.
@@ThunderGodTG I agree that Obito can take Kabuto 1v1 but I as you and New Horizons said in the video, he is somewhat relative/close enough that a death squad plus Kabuto could do it.
One of the things you guys pointed out was that Kabuto's edo tensei got sealed as the result of him having them on auto pilot. While Obito can def BFR the edo tensei and take advantage of this, it won't win him the war. And, the white zetsu can't beat the edo tensei even if they're on autopilot, so it's not a big deal. That's why I think it's weird you and New Horizons make it such a big problem when the edo tensei aren't losing to the zetsu anyway. The only opponents that require complex problem solving are the Gedo, tailed beasts and Obito, which is a smaller number than the edo. And it only takes one of the tailed beasts to die before Obito's plan is effectively ruined, which I think would happen quicker than Obito getting to Kinkaku/Ginkaku. The tailed beasts just aren't THAT STRONG compared to every other kage Kabuto has, and they can probably beat them on autopilot eventually. Kabuto could just put them on autopilot and give them a directive like "kill the tailed beasts and try to ignore the zetsu if you can", which is something Kabuto has done before
@@Sweetlesishere The white zetsu aren't going to beat the edo tensei, they serve strictly to keep them preoccupied, even minor shinobi were able to decent against the Edo Tensei to the point they weren't just running through them, it is going to take a decent amount of time, The thing about Kabtuo and the Tailed Beasts is that they can always be returned to Gedo Statue, but I do are generally the Statue performs better. Generally it just depend a bit on how you interpret the fights, we just kept it in character.
Honestly having itachi and nagato approach the actual war would have sercured the W for them, naruto wouldnt be there to break itachi out of edo tensi control so him, madara and nagato are no diffing everyone and when naruto does appear with killer bee and possibly frees itachi madara would handle it, both at once lol
I really thought bro was done for thank god you got your channel back lmao
Bro BMW on my ass next 😂😂
@@ThunderGodTG that’s weird bc it shows up as BMW when you search but it’s your normal picture underneath the video
Can you do a
Uchiha by the time of the coup vs the village by the time of the coup.
That’s actually 🔥🔥 I’m gonna do that
@@ThunderGodTG you should definitely also make 2 scenarios. Itachi on the side of the village or at the side of the uchiha
Yeah that's a good idea
@@ThunderGodTG and with or without danzo using Kotoamatsukami and with or without the nine tails because that would change the whole fight
I think that we have so many fighters and factors in this that just result in Obito losing. For example what if Itachi Toska blades a tailed beast and sealed them away. Or if nagato absorbs the barrier protecting the tailed beast. What if deidara uses his C0 and one shots all the zetsu. He just has so much man power and such a raw arsenal I think obito gets overwhelmed and loses.
looking at how this turns out it all depends on the madara summoning. whose side is he on ,does he repel the jutsu. also obito just needs to capture Kabuto and performs and izanami
It wasn't proven wether or not Madara could break out of edo tensai. All we do know is that once it was released he was able to resend the contract gaining hid freewill and so on.
Bro literally broke the coffin before the user allowed he is/him
@@ThunderGodTG but not when he was first summoned. I agree that using Madara in the same way he used the rest of his Edos (some of them had their free will and I dont think Kabuto ever tried to restrict madara) would be stupid. But he should be able to keep him surpressed by not allowing his personality to shine through from the start. However that would nerf madaras effectivness extensivly. The Hokage couldnt be surpressed, by Oro in the war because Sasuke wanted answers. In order to tell tales the Edo tensei needs to be himself.
The idea that Madaras "personality" is so edgy that he can break out of dumb zombiemode is a bit of a long reach. Madaras experience, knowledge, Jutsu and Chakrareserves are what makes it a difficult to control summon. Take Personality and Experience away and just like Hashirama in part one he will be an obedient puppet (without a brain to be fair but hey... cant have it all).
You guys straight up ignored that Nagato has the Gedo statue. 😂 so you think he can't just put the tailed beast in the gedo that Nagato summons and become the 10 tails jinchurrik? Lmao
So Obito gets to have Gedo and go after making the 10 tails but the main person known for using it in combat first can't. That's a huge oversight
I actually don’t recall if I said this in the vid since it’s been a while, but it’s actually heavily implied Edo Tensei rinnegan cant summon the Gedo statue, since Madara never does it till he’s alive even after Obito’s defeated, nor does Kabuto force Nagato to summon it. The 2 tails makes a distinct not about the Edo Tensei rinnegan being FAR inferior to the new thing also evidence with Madara just gaining more abilities while alive.
Here's how I would write the end of the fight. Regardless of how it goes up to this point, Kabuto reanimated somebody who doesn't want either one to win and kills thek both. This could work more easily with Madara, but I think it would be especially funny for Itachi to do. Kotoamataukami's his way free, gets Obito with the Totsuka blade (despite Kamui) and does whatever genjutsu to fuck up Kabuto
FIRST OF ALL Kabuto captured Yamato, so in this hypothetical, the Zetsu would NOT be upgraded.
But EVEN IF I gave you that, I'm pretty sure the upgrade was not for stats. It was to allow them to morph into other shinobi/change their chakra signature, which would not be relevant in a fight against edo's.
Edo army stomps, hands down :P
Yeah we said that was a minor concession we did for the sake of convo otherwise it’s neigh impossible to talk about the white Zetsu, I would say the upgrade did refer to stats just due to how Zetsu even before being amped by Kabuto could copy Kisame’s chakra and morph into him
@@ThunderGodTG I must've missed that^
23:40 Itachi can Just Seal the Gedo Statue, can´t he?
He can only seal living beings right? It's just a statue
How would a curse mark work on a reanimation would it bring success rate to 100%
Could Itachi's totsuka seal the 10 tails
Make a video on The 5 Kage vs The Akatsuki
Akatsuki. Itachi, Obito, Pain
If the ten tails just sat therr and let itachi hit him with that totsuka sword, would it seal the ten tails? And can it break out somehow or is it stuck in that bottle?
The Gunbai is a huge counter to any Edo Tensei as it was able to reflect a Rasengan from KCM2 Naruto. Almost no edo scales to that besides Madara and its debatable if Madara would fight for Kabuto against Obito.
Louder for everyone in the back
Perfection
Honestly the way the war went, the only reason anyone stood a chance was because Kishimpto decided "Kabuto can't win. He's not an Uchiha." So Kabuto started doing stuff that only served to help everyone else. In an all out fight i doubt he's that careless.
I totally disagree that the white zetsu are on the same level as jonin, because the alliance numbers were way lower than the Zetsu. Basic math's
It doesn’t really matter where they are, what matters is that they’re threatening to Jonnin is the main take away both forces were cut 50%, with on screen Jonnin like Neji noted to be struggling
Zetsus Die, Edo Tensei Don´t Die, Edo Tensei Wins, the thing is, WHY KABUTO IS HELPING OBITO? like... Obito has NO CHANCE, if i realy do not understand his confidence against Kabuto the First Time they meet, even just the Edo Akatsuki+Kabuto, can kill him, yes would take time, BUT, think about it, Obito can´t hurt Kabuto or the Edo Tenseis sooo. how he can win? Kamui is Terrible against that much fire power, bucause if they are inside Kamui and Obito Uses Kamui, they can Hit him fron inside, and even if he try to kill then inside, he can´t they are immortal and can´t hurt Kabuto with any fisical atack, even more than that , even if they are not immortal(what is not the case) Obito inside Kamui, is Just Tired Kakashi Level, the only thing that made him scary is Kamui, sooo i realy can´t see a world when Obito Wins. i realy think every gives too much credit to Obito, for no Good Reason.
btw ain't it weird that Kinkaku and Ginkaku came back to life with a full tank of kyuubi chakra. Did naruto give Neji any chakra? Cause with a little edo tensei we could use some of that too... FULL tank of 9 tail chakra stocked away in the pure lands, no seal needed (like with Minato)
Kabuto's goal was to make obito & shinobi alliance fight each other so that he can capitalize in the aftermath,
He doesn't give a shit about controling madara he only summoned madara just to troll obito and to wreck havoc to shinobi alliance
Someone should talk more about the random duo's like when Kabuto showed up to the Jinchuriki turtle Island with a reanimated Deidara. How strong was that Duo really? Would be cool to talk about what would happen if that Duo was sent to capture Killer bee or a hypothetical against Pain etc.
Kabuto cooks obito with itachi & nagato alone lol
Ya I don’t know why this isn’t obvious then bring in the past kage from other villages and the rest of the army. Obito is gonna need more than a fire barrier, tailed beast and white zetsu army to win this fight.
Obito takes on 3 of them by himself and wins ngl
Kabuto can take on the tailed beast with his strongest edo tensies. Itachi, Nagato, the third raikage, and hanzo if his poison from his Salamander works on tailed beast, Raiza of the sand/Gaaras dad can take on the one tails/especially as edo tensie as he fought one tails when he was alive, Dedera, that one bug shinobi to that was brought back as edo tensie could touch the tailed beast and the tailed beast would get spread and turn purple by poisonous bugs, Nagato can simply use planetary devastation, Muu can turn invisable and use particle jutsu/Madara even had to absorb that jutsu yet he was able to tank every other jutsu in his susano/Particle jutsu can more then likely heavily damage if not fatally wound tailed beast seeing that Madara had to absorb it instead of tanking it with perfect susano, ginkaku brothers can take on the tailed beast with there sixth paths tools or kurama mode or seal them plus its edo tensie kurama mode/ whichever works, Kakazu could take on tailed beast alive with Hidan but Hidan was not much help meaning he can take on tailed beasts alone/ especially as edo tensie with infinite regen, Third raikage could fight head to head with tailed beasts while alive let alone edo tensie/ the only ever thing that hurt him and killed him whether alive or edo tensied was himself/ not even the 8 to tails was able to damage him even at all, that one mist kage could help as well being a distraction for the tailed beast if it works/ with him misting the place and using his clam to deceive them, there is more strong edo tenies that Kabuto could use for the tailed beasts. But, that is just a couple of them. Madara could take on tailed beasts to but if Kabuto was able to control him. If not it will be a uno reverse card like you said. But, Kabuto is not dumb he would not summon him if he knew that he would turn on him especially in a war like this. So, if tailed beasts come out he can use those strong fighters I stated. Even Just Nagato alone can solo all the tailed beasts. Itachi can do so as well with his sword in edo tensie If had only him against the tailed beasts yoinking each tailed beasts. While he focused on having full control of only him for that part of the battlefield and having less control on the rest while doing so. Or having control here and their like he did the original with a health infinite regen itachi yoinking each tailed beast sealing them like he did Orochimaru in his hydra form. While Kabuto focuses on the other battle fields as well. Or him using only Nagato to planetary devastation the tailed beasts and enclose them like what Sasuke did. Except with this its a infinite health regen Nagato doing it. He can use only him while focusing on the other battle fields as well. Or he can use the other strong fighters I mentioned as well. So, Obito's major playing cards would be dealt with and he would die. Kabuto has too great of edo tensie for Obito to handle without the tailed beasts. Kabuto alone can also take on Obito If it was a one v one or even against him and the jinchuriki. Kabuto can regen, he can use his sage mode to move through walls/earth stuff, he can use kimimaru bones, he can use those twin sound 4 jutsu, he can use orochimarus jutsus to help him regen, he can use the sound 4 girl ninjas sound jutsu to genjutsu Obito and the jinchurki, Which even if Obito left into the Kamui for that jutsu to not hit him he would not have enough time to take the jinchurki with him. They would get trapped in a genjutsu. Obito would then come back and it would be a one v one and Kabuto can always pull out that sound jutsu which would make Obito leave. If he gets caught in the sound jutsu Obito is done for the fight is over, So either way Kabuto would win that if the sound genjutsu hits. Nothing Obito can do to totally put Kabuto down. Kabuto can regen using orochimaru's jutsu and using the sage mode where he can go in rocks and earth like stuff. So, its a total win for Kabuto. Unless Kabuto pulls out Madara and he cannot control him. But, then he would have to use those strong edo tensie I talked about earlier that can take on tailed beasts. To take on that Madara and he is done for.
Muu oneshots all beasts with his OP jinton beam easy peasy
Btw, Kabuto can control Madara. In fact he didn't even try to control real Madara because he wanted to see the power of Madara who was amped with Hashirama cells. Kabuto can take over Madara's consciousness if he wants to
Bro , shikamaru broke outta that genjutsu. I get that it’s amped by sage mode, but this is Obito with all his amps. He’d break outta that in a second.
@@spit-fire Shikamaru broke out of this jutsu easily but Itachi and Sasuke couldn't. So Shikamaru >>> Sasuke and Itachi confirmed I guess
Obitos only real issue is madara.
Other than that we can look at how kabutos army did against naruto and get a pretty good idea of how obito would fair against them.
@Paul W madara could have broken out of kabutos control at anytime.
Edo madara and WM obito were comparable in strength several times also
This video is incoherent, you do kabuto vs obito but allow Madara to be Madara and get that wrong as well. First off if you are allowing Madara to do what he wants then obito doesn't win because Madara will go after him alwell. Madara's plan was to always come back alive, so he will betray Obito and Kabuto.
If you remove Madara following his plan then you got it correct at end of video Madara will dominate and give Kabuto the win.
If you decide to remove Madara from equation thenit becomes more interesting but I think Kabuto could still win because of Nagoto's rinnegan. Obito couldn't use all of rinnegan abilities but Nagato could and Nagato backed by edo's would be able to win. The zetsu are fodder. Another factor you haven't consider is the edo's willingness to follow Kabuto, they tried to help the shinobi alliance as much as possible, against Obito they will do what they can to defeat him because of no attachments to him. Konan also has a good understanding of Obitio's weakness and would give that info to Kabuto and he would organize the Edo's to defeat him.
My question is whats stopping itachi from totska bladeing the 10 tails. I feel like thats one of the most welp moments lol. Its like the madara moment for kabuto.
Kabuto washes Obito in a war
maybe
Just wait for Kabuto to discover KAMUI...
I agree especially, because they were giving obito Kabutos enhanced white zetsu, and forgetting that the edo have their own minds so they would have access to things like itachi being their strategist.
And none of this gets into madara.
@@jamesdecost6009 now if Madara is used kabuto loses since madara can undo the contract. Never ending C0 from deidara for the win otherwise
I wonder if the abilitybof the zetsu to absorb chakra to increase their strength or take on the appearance of other would be a factor.
I'm not a native speaker so I just want to know if I got something wrong. Shouldn't the title be WHOSE army? What grammar rule am I missing?
You are actually correct idk how I let that slip but lmao
Kabuto's army stomps , it's a fucking massacre
Was black zesu a living karma