Rossi R92 454 Casull Function With Variety Of Ammo review
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- This is a shooting review of the Rossi 92 chambered in 454 Casull. I picked this up mainly to shoot 45 Colt without worrying about the pressure of the ammunition--like I need to with the much weaker action of my Uberti 1873. I wanted to check out several things I had heard about the rifle. First, some people online claimed that the safety would engage by itself which I never experienced. Second, some people online claimed that the 45 Colt would not cycle through the rifle. The only type of 45 Colt that didn't cycle were Magtech wadcutters that were significantly shorter than normal 45 Colt rounds. As such, I wouldn't blame the inability to cycle a niche round on the rifle or make more general statements about the gun. Third, the Marble sight is seemingly well thought of but be aware that the heaviest recoiling ammo can consistently knock the sight out of alignment.
FINALLY! been looking for a review of the rossi r92 in 454casull for weeks, i just bought one about a month back after 3 years of looking i found a 20" stainless at my LGS brand new $749.00, which i thought was a great price so i literally snatched it up and bought it on the spot! Close to 45-70 power but holds 10rds instead of 4 or 5, perfect hog hunters rifle. The hornady 240gr xtp out of the 20" barrel was chronographed at about 2300fps
$750 is an absolute steal right now, about half of what the stainless ones are going for on gunbroker. I got mine as a companion for my Ruger Alaskan, which has jumped from about $900 up to nearly $2000. It is crazy how much these types of guns are selling for right now.
It's been about 3 years since I found mine the same as yours. I passed one up stupidly 8 years prior to buying mine but I guess the wait was worth it. Mine was on consignment from a dude that bought guns but didn't shoot them any he wanted 275.00 for his and I almost broke my arms and legs trying to get it paid for fast enough.
With ammo the way it is I hope you reload and have had a chance to enjoy it. It is one of my favorite guns to shoot. In case you don't know if you remove the rear sight there are screws to mount a scope mount or picatiny rail. Rossi has mounts and so does noebulletmolds.com. also a good place to get high quality mold at a working man's price
@@biggunshandguns3687 wow $275 is a great price, i looked on gun broker this morning only 2 available $1600.00 and $1800.00 both used with wear marks. Yeah ammo is crazy high and hard to find for most odd ball calibers but i got lucky (one of the main reasons for me buying this gun) my local gun store has hornady 240gr xtp ($30 for 20rd) and magtec ($28 for 20rds) and they're always in stock, with them priced that cheap i haven't seen the need to start reloading for it
@@back-woods the cool part about reloading and also casting is making ammo to suit your target, range, and amount of recoil. Happy you were able to find ammo and enjoy the Rossi. They are way underrated and a lot stronger than people believe. If you want some good reading Google Paco Kelly he has written a lot about the Rossi 454
@@biggunshandguns3687 I actually don't reload. Perhaps the strangest thing about ammo prices is that I can find 45 Colt for about $40-$45 per box, the same as it was before the craziness while a box of 45 acp has jumped from about $18 a box online to $45 now. I don't see 454 ammo too often but when I do it is about the same as pre-panic pricing. Very weird.
Advertised velocity on ammo boxes might actually be when the ammo is shot from a handgun. Shooting it in a rifle can get you over 300 fps more velocity with calibers like this.
It was interesting to me that the recoil impulse increased with the stated velocity but that the one box that didn't list the velocity had the most ooomph, suggesting it had the highest velocity. I was really happy that the rifle fed with pretty much every type of 45 Colt and 454 Casull--except for the wadcutter type 45 Colt and I don't blame any rifle for not cycling that specialty load.
@@ronquixote1739 Yeah, the rossi 92 lever guns usually don't have much feeding problems. I own 3 of them and the only problem I even had was the ejector breaking on one that I've put maybe 5000 rds through. Rossi wanted me to send it back to them to have it fixed and I didn't want to do that so I ordered one from Numrich that was for a Chaparral 1892 rifle for $15 It needed to be fitted to the bolt, but that didn't take long using a set of small files.
@@Prepare2Survive It is great to hear that you didn't have many issues after firing more rounds than anyone is really likely to fire through a 45 Colt/454 Casull rifle.
@@ronquixote1739 Mine are in 357 and 44 mag. Sorry I forgot to mention that. I reload my own ammo so that's why I can shoot a lot.
@@Prepare2Survive Still it speaks to the quality that you've run 5 cases through the lever gun with only 1 relatively minor issue.
You need to work the action like you mean it. 😊 A lot of leverguns don't take well to a slow or gentle stroke.
Good point, though the Rossi did well with everything but the 45 Colt wadcutters. Before I bought the rifle I was told that the 454s had issues with reliably feeding the 45 Colts and that hasn't been the case. Wadcutters are a niche round and I'm not even sure if they'd do well in my Uberti 1973 rifle.
@@ronquixote1739 True enough. Sadly wad cutters rarely work well in levers but fortunately semi wad cutters generally work well as long as they are not too short and there terminal ballistics are almost as good as the full WC.
@@mkshffr4936 I really only bought the wadcutters for the video--didn't think they'd work but thought I'd give them a shot.
@@ronquixote1739 I have often wondered wether loading was cutters out to normal cartridge length would work. It might work in an 1873 but I suspect that the sloped entry angle of the 1892s and Marlin style actions would still be problematic.
been looking for a 454 rossi for a long while, some bonkers prices for the few ive seen.
Before everything went haywire the rifles could be found for about $800, sometimes a little less. Now they go for about $1500 on gunbroker. Crazy.
We needed this video. Thank you. Rossi should have made it themselves.
Glad you liked it. I saw quite a few videos of people shooting appliances and fruit but didn't see any that really showed how the rifle feeds with a variety of different types of 45 Colt and 454 Casull ammo.
I was able to get mine to function, after taking it completely apart and working over the internals. If you aren't up for that you are taking a gamble. I suggest saving your money for a better quality rifle.
That's interesting. I've had this one and a 357 and both have run flawlessly. Can you elaborate on the problems you were having? Was there one part that had to be fixed/replaced or several issues? The only other 454 lever gun option is the $4000 Big Horn Armory rifle so you can see why people would get the Rossi.
@@ronquixote1739 mine is the 16 inch,44 magnum. It would not cycle literally, anything reliably at all. I tore it apart, polished the bolt and hammer assembly, and installed a spring kit. I went with lighter springs. After all that, it's super slick and runs every ammo I have tried so far. Even cycles my handloads with Kieth style bullets.
@@curtislong1987 Thanks for posting your experience with the Rossi 92. I haven't handled one of their 44 mag versions. Unlike the 454, Rossi does have competition in 44 mag lever gun market. Braztech does have their lifetime warranty but you shouldn't have to spend a new gun back to Brazil in order for it to work.
Thank you for the response!
Happy to help. Great rifles.
I bought one of the Puma 92's in 454 Casull almost 10 years ago, mine's stainless steel with a 20" barrel and I wouldn't trade it for a Winchester or Henry. The fit and finish is top notch, I like the flat sights instead of the buckhorns the new rifles have and it will cloverleaf 5 rounds of my handloads at 50 yards all day. I must have close to 1000 rounds through it by now and six deer to it's credit and it's never had a hiccup and is as smooth as butter, it's cycled anything I ever put in it although I've never tried wadcutters. It's favorite load is a Laser Cast 255gr. hardcast SWC with a moderate charge of IMR 4227 for around 1700 fps at the muzzle. Recoils not bad and and it just messes up anything it hits. It really gets brutal with the 240gr. Hornady's, from that 20" barrel in that 7 lb. rifle, my Chrony reads 2325 fps give or take and my handloads can push past that but why put the rifle through it ? You can go out shooting for an afternoon with my handcast 230gr. TC, powder coated bullets in 45 Colt or 454 brass with 5 grains of the right powder and bang steel for penny's, actually a nickel a round. That rifle is one you'd have to pry out of my hands.
Awesome review. I wound up putting a scout scope on mine so my visually impaired wife can shoot it. She hit a steel ram at 50 yards 2 of 3 shots and was so happy that I couldn't tell her that 1 of the 2 hits had actually bounced into it.
@@ronquixote1739 😊😄😏🤙🏼❤️🇺🇸🤠
@@Threewolfs- Glad you liked (?) it. Sorry, I'm not conversant in emojis...
@@ronquixote1739 I’m not ether, really, was just giving a smiley face for the wife comment, and a thumbs up as a whole. Old School Cowboy, just trying to keep up with today (from time to time). Have a great day 🤙🏼❤️🇺🇸🤠 (= love America and Cowboys).
@@Threewolfs- She's a good sport!
Good review. I have a 16” stainless 44 mag that I absolutely love. I replaced the safety with an aperture from Stevesgunz and removed the stock rear sight. Also replaced the plastic follower with stainless and hit the mirror polished receiver with some 220 grit sandpaper. Mine doesn’t have any way to remove the magazine tube like yours does.. interesting. I would love to get a matching 357 someday as well. Thanks for the review.
Glad you liked the review. I've been seeing Rossi rifles around lately, which is encouraging given that I think Braztech is now focused on the Citadel rifles.
@@ronquixote1739 never heard of it.. now I have something to research.
@@guaporeturns9472 Here is a link to one: www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/rifles/citadel-levtac-92-black-lever-action-rifle-454-casull-18in/p/1697460
@@ronquixote1739 yeah I’m doing bit of research.. thanks
@@guaporeturns9472 I've had my hands on one of them and really liked the Citadel's rear peep sight.
I understand they are back in production again.
It looks like BrazTech has been selling them to Citadel, with a nifty rear peep sight that is ahead of the action. That one has a more tactical look to it. If BrazTech is selling the wood and stainless 454s again that should really help their prices return to a more normal level.
The 454 has 4 times the breech pressure of the 45 colt, 60,000 PSI, compared to 15,000 PSI for factory loads.
I don't think I knew that, just that it was a lot more powerful than 45 Colt.
"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk" - Tuco
Fun movie.
Try Double tap 325gr WFN cast or some Garrett Alaskan loads. Huge difference from the ammo in the video
Thanks for the tip. I'm limited by what is available in my area--biggest things in southern New Mexico are oryx and elk
Does anyone know what the length of pull is on the new Rossi .454 R92, with the recoil pad? I’ve tried asking Rossi, and the girl had no idea!? Thank you!
I can't speak to the "new" Rossi's in 454 as I haven't seen one. I can tell you that the rifle you see in the video has the recoil pad (middle of it looks like five letter "x" to allow for it to have some give to absorb recoil) and the length of pull from the middle of the trigger to the middle of the back of the recoil pad is 13 7/8". I hope that helps.
I had to do a lot of work on mine to get it to cycle, also shimmed the trigger, the trigger pull was hard.
Mine didn't need a thing to function just as you see it in this video--though I bought it used so it is possible the previous owner did some work on it.
Woah....does Rossi still offer the .454 in blued steel? I've only seen SS, even on their website. Just picked up an R92 carbine in .357 and was rather impressed with the wood, as well as the fit and finish. There is a small gap between the stock at the top on the butt plate, but other than that it is very tight. Perhaps they have stepped up their game a little due to the bad reputation they had. Yeah, getting rid of the superfluous safety ASAP.
Rossi no longer lists a blued 454 on their website but I believe Braztech is making a blued 454 for Citadel. The most recent Rossi rifles I've seen are noticeably better in quality. My local gun shop has a $1000 Rossi, which sounds crazy, but the wood is beautiful, the action is very smooth, and overall the fit and finish is on par with Henry.
looks like your hat moved the marble sight forward when the rifle was under recoil
I hadn't even considered that the brim of the hat was contacting the sight. When shooting it my perception was that the sight was moving entirely underneath the brim. When I advance it slowly through the shot at 14:12 it looks like the sight is under the brim the entire time, even getting a smidge farther from the brim under recoil. I don't think it hit my glasses so I'm thinking the recoil alone was powerful enough to move the Marble sight.
I've looking for one of these for about 2 years. NOBODY has them in stock on line. I suspect its because they are legal in BAN states.
About 2 weeks ago I saw my local gun shop had a new Rossi 357. The stock was beautiful and the action was much slicker than is typical for Rossi lever guns....but it was also $1000. My guess is that lever guns vanished because gun manufacturers shifted to producing the faster selling double stack pistols. Keep an eye out for Citadel rifles, by the way--made by Braztech, same company that makes Rossi.
Does it cycle 45 colt without jamming
Yes, every type of 45 Colt I've tried with it except the wadcutters--and that isn't a surprise as those are like trying to cycle empty cases.
*IF one ""practices enough"" to 'know' how to use it properly a "FULL BUCKHORN" or "PEEPHORN" sight can be very useful at various distances. "PEEPHORN" IS A slightly DIFFERENT THING than "FULL BUCKHORN". SOME common FULL BUCKHORN SIGHTS offer at least THREE "points of aim" or "THREE DIFFERENT SIGHT PICTURES" or THREE WAYS TO ALIGHT THE FRONT BLADE OR BEAD WITH THE REAR" belly of notch ...center of hole... or between the horns. A RARE FEW MAY offer more than three points of reference. PRACTICE with your sight radius and your ammo choice will reveal just how far each of these are proper for. WITH DIFFERENT LENGTH BARREL or different distance between sights... the distance each aiming method or reference point will work for is expected quite different... SO PRACTICE with whatever ammo shoots accurately in your rifle or whatever load you prefer. IF ONE LEARNS HOW TO USE THE FULL BUCKHORN he might prefer it to anything else.*
The buckhorn sights weren't effected by the recoil like the Marble sight was. I was surprised when the Marble sight had to be adjusted after some of the warmer 454 rounds.
So, the 1873 Winchester lever action rifle has a grip safety? How innovative is that?
Only if you add the Marble sight!
@@ronquixote1739 What does that mean?
@@timhallas4275 My mistake. I thought you were referencing the issues I was having with the Marble sight folded down as it creates a hump under the palm in my Rossi 454 video. Now that I'm a little more awake (I saw your comment about 430 am my time and it is an hour and 5 miles later), yes, the Uberti has essentially a grip safety in that you have to keep pressure on the lever in order for the rifle to fire.
@@ronquixote1739 Yes, that is exactly what I was referring to.I like that feature.
@@timhallas4275 it ensures that the rifle can't discharge without the action being fully closed, but does require the shooter to be aware of the need to pull the lever all the way to the stock.
lol, did it hit your hat brim?
I had a 300 WSM that would actually bring the scope back into contact with the hat brim but this one is much milder in comparison.
@@ronquixote1739 i think i can almost see it happening though, on the heaviest loads, it's barely tapping that ghost ring flip up
@@ronquixote1739 for all i know you could have a video response of it happening forty more times with no hat tho,, hah
@@paulsdogwalking I was surprised that the recoil was casing the rear sight to flex.
@@paulsdogwalking NM sun = hat.
I've been looking for this Rossi in 454 but no one seems to have them in stock right now.
Braztech is apparently building guns for Citadel so I don't know if they're currently producing them under the Rossi name. The Citadel rifles tend to be more tacti-cool than the Rossi rifles. If you're wanting the more classic rifle lines you may have to go through gunbroker or find someone who has one and do some trading. www.legacysports.com/brands/citadel/citadel-rifles/levtac-92/
@@ronquixote1739 My local dealer has a waiting list but told me yesterday that it could be over a year wait. I'll keep my eye's peeled on Gunbroker or Guns International.
@@davidcudlip6587 Are you wanting a Rossi or Citadel? Another question is which part of the country are you in? Some parts of the country have lesser known gun sales/trade sites. NM has one called jasonsguns.com for example. I just checked Armslist and they didn't have any Rossi or Citadel in 454. DLSupplies on gunbroker shows 3 in stock but they want $1500.
@@ronquixote1739 Rossi R92 in Illinois
@@davidcudlip6587 You might ask around gun shops/gun shows and see what local gun trade/sell site people are using and then post a want to buy ad. Obviously, with it being IL you'd have to do any deal through an FFL with all of that FOID nonsense.
*SOME SORT OF "RECEIVER MOUNTED SIGHT" >MOUNTED FORWARD OF THE HAMMER< might be LESS AWKWARD to use. *
That's a no-go due to the ejection being straight up on the Rossi. That's why I had to mount the scout scope just ahead of the action.
@@ronquixote1739 Williams, Lyman receiver sights for model 92s and 94s mount at the rear of the receiver. The Rossi is not drilled and tapped for them as the Winchesters are. They don't look authentic like a tang peep, but they are sturdier and less prone to breakage.
@@mickey3oowm Thanks for the info. My biggest issue was with the sight interfering with my grip when it was down and folding itself under the heaviest recoil.
I want one of these so bad man. More power than a 45-70 in a lighter, handier and much smaller package. 10+1 with the 20 inch version, that's a TON of horsepower comin outta that rifle. The precision one brand ammo is supposedly pretty good for 454 casull as well.
I replaced the Marble tang sight with a scout scope--very fast acquisition with just a little bit of magnification.
@@ronquixote1739 that's awesome! I want to have a tang safety put into mine because I genuinely can't stand the little dial up on top.
@@ChargerusPrime The safety does what it should. Even under the heaviest recoiling loads it didn't change position, something I'd heard could be an issue. Of course, I also heard it wouldn't feed 45 Colt rounds reliably and that didn't turn out to be the case with my rifle either.
@@ronquixote1739 that's fair I suppose. I suppose I'll just have to get one and see how I like it and the manual of arms. Maybe I can get used to it, if not, I'll just look up a gunsmith and get a tang safety and hammer installed. Shouldn't be too difficult.
@@ChargerusPrime I believe that Rossi has begun producing them again under their own name and possibly also under the Citadel name if you want to go the tacticool route.
WOW when did these get so expensive? I've had one for 12ish years. I suppose all the straight wall deer hunting states and gun hording drove prices up. I removed the safety and put a peep sight in it's place, a lot handier than that flip up on the stock.
When the panic hit, gun companies responded by producing their best selling and/or highest margin guns--which meant they stopped making many/any lever guns and revolvers. They are now coming back but I suspect with inflation we won't see these type guns back in the $650 range again.
The wrist of the stock spit on mine. I sold it ... I went for the 45-70
I hadn't heard of that being an issue with the Rossi rifles. The 454 does produce stout recoil though.
Don’t hook your thumb over the stock
It helps my grip. With the Marble Arms sight removed and a scout scope I don't have to worry about my thumb getting scraped by the sight.
bought mine for $650cdn, stainless, 16inch. Could likely get twice that for it now and buy something with some actual build quality.
The only "quality" option in 454 is Big Horn Armory, which will run you about $3000. www.bighornarmory.com/
Typically the lighter bullets have less recoil and more muzzle energy because of the increased velocity.
True. The math says force = mass x speed, though the real world application doesn't tend to work out so neatly.
@@ronquixote1739 mass x velocity x velocity. Terminal effect is dependent on terminal velocity and area. Also bullet geometry affects terminal effect
I bought one 18 years ago, was not happy with it, safety was sloppy, it fed 45 colts perfectly, 454s would jam with anything over a 240grn, the feed tube would twist loose after 4 or 5 shots, the ammo tube would also slide out from recoil, my gunsmith fabbed me a new coller to keep the tube from moving. The loading action was rough compared to a Henry..
Over all I give the rifle a 5.. would never buy one again...
I'd heard of the safety issue but didn't experience it. I had also heard of the magazine tube shooting itself loose. Maybe BrazTech fixed the safety issues when they moved to the screw in magazine tubes? I haven't had any issues with 454 ammunition regardless of the grain.
I leave my safety on the fire position. These guns need to be cycled hard. I also have a Thompson Center pro Hunter in 460 S&W magnum, that will shoot 454 and 45 long colt.
From what I've seen online people have complained that the safety can move from fire to safe under recoil. I didn't experience that though I did have the Marble sight move on me with the heaviest recoiling 454 loads.
@@ronquixote1739 Haven’t had that problem with my gun.
@@dalerash6285 Apparently some have and that is how they rationalize replacing the safety with one of those plugs instead.
@@ronquixote1739 Yes !
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Glad you found it useful.
Most awkward shooting video I’ve ever seen. Blah blah blah.
To be fair, you could say that about any of my shooting videos.
That is a terrible place for a rear sight especially on a lever gun
If the recoil didn't cause the rear sight to partially fold the actual sight picture would be fine. However, when not using the peep sight the Marble sight has to be folded down along the top of the stock which means you can't get a natural grip. I removed it entirely and went with a scout scope.
@@ronquixote1739 yeah the grip was my point. To run the lever you have to break your grip but with the peep sight you have to clear it with your thumb before you can start to reach for the lever
Looks like it has issues. Don't recommend cocking the lever and not shooting, but talking and moving around instead. Do all your commentary before you cock and fire.
The Rossi has performed well over time. I've got a scout scope on it now.
Another person that just likes to hear himself talk and not shoot!!!
Voice for print.
Lot of blah blah blah ,fire it talk for 2 mins fire it blah ,blah ,blah , fire it .Blah , blah , blah . I disliked.
Okay.
Yeah, because of that I couldn't make it to the end of the video.
@@ronquixote1739 I had a boss that said to me, I didn't ask how you built the watch. I just wanted to know what time it was.
However, you provided a lot of useful information. Like if the rifle would feed .45 Colt ammunition. Recoil levels. Feeding with wadcutters. It could have been a more condensed video, but good job.
@@mickey3oowm I'm glad you found it useful.
That's way too much for a levergun. Especially for a Rossi.You got robbed.
Welcome to hyperinflation! You're right that a Rossi gun with a $1000 list price SHOULD be several hundred less than that. It isn't, though. I found a Ruger Alaskan for $1000 - about $150-$200 higher than it should have been - but they have been going for nearly $2000 on gunbroker. It is very strange that revolvers and lever guns have seen demand driven spikes in prices while ARs are still about the same price range--never mind that our overlords in DC aren't babbling about banning revolvers and lever guns.
To much babble cya
Thanks for passing through.