Wow, thanks for the in-depth video Jason! I think this option is one of the best ones right now. It checks all the boxes I want in a larger 120v model!
They threw everything they had at it and made it stick. Nicely done. You are right about 240v outputs. So many features are non essential yet we base our buying decisions on it. For 99% of people and 99% of scenarios, this unit does everything we’d want it to.
Own the E600 and love it, was very close to ordering the E1500LFP but after seeing this the E3600 is hard to pass up. Thanks for the in depth video as usual, we've come to expect nothing less. Have a good one!
Another great and thorough review. This is for me the perfect setup, I need 240v for my well pump. $3,200 for 7200W and just over 6,000 Wh is a perfect fit for my budget.
Thanks for the coupon 🎉 I just ordered, and i will be waiting to test all my job equipment. Last time i tried my 2000lfp with the big saw, it just couldn't handle it, during lunch time it just handled excellent the hot plate to cook my food, and with the new port i will be able to charge faster with my gas generator before it gets dark in case of emergency
Yes, I really want split-phase output, without having to buy 2 units. I don't want the lights in my upstairs bathroom to not work, just because that particular circuit didn't make it in to my "critical loads" panel. I know I can't run *everything* in my home off a unit this size, but I'd like to be able to use small loads in any room of my house. Pass-thru charging is my other must-have. Nice to see that this unit has that.
If you don’t need split phase output, you can use a TT-30P to L14-30R (or whatever your transfer switch uses) adapter that wires both legs to the same 120V hot leg from the TT-30. This won’t work for any 240V loads (using hot to hot is 0V!) but it’ll energize both sides of your panel
I just received mine on Wednesday. Other than powering it on, I haven't done anything with it yet. I was waiting for your review to learn more about it before I started messing around with it.
Yes an absolute winner, but you know what I wish one of these power station companies would do? Start a trade-in program. I would love to trade in my Pecron E1500 for this model. If we can do that with cars, why not with power stations? I bet there are many people who would love a deal on a gently-used power station for a cheaper price. Refurbished models are good, and help recycle these things. Hopefully, as an influencer, you can influence the companies you work with to think about this. I think it would be wildly successful.
I am not exactly an influencer but did talk to the company to give engineers certain implemented suggestions as some other companies aswell. Check with BLUETTI for the program you ask about exist.
Pecron is smashing it! The power station market is about like the computer market. If you get one today, next month or next year, you will be able to get a unit with more power and features for less money. Great review!. Nice to see all of that solar power available for testing:D
I was calculating earlier this year a setup for a camper van. And I love it to see prices dropping after just 6 months. :D With an extension battery just $2600 and NO FURTHER WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE. ALL IN ONE. My setup was also around 3000 euros. But with a lot of electric DIY work. This setup is amazing. 3600w output is awesome.
As always, a nice, detailed review. I just bought the Bluetti AC200L and should have waited for this as it adds 50% more WH, my Wireless charging, double the PV input, better DC voltage connections and includes most of the needed cables, all at about $350 more. Thanks for doing the work and just hoped for a review about 2 weeks earlier 😁
Great video Jason. Seems like Pecron hit it out of the ball park with this unit. For me it checks all the boxes I ever wanted. Had this unit been out when I first got into buying solar power banks I would not have had all the different units. Because of the variety of units and the lack of knowledge I had then I bought solar panels for all of the units that were sold as packages. Pecron will allow all the variety of solar arrays that I own to be used which is great. Even better is the that their expansion batteries can be used independently and be charged by themselves too. Had I known about this unit 4 weeks ago I would have seriously considered buying it instead of the EG4 setup I'm getting. I don't need 240 as my needs are for temporary grid outages and all I need is enough power for the fridge a couple of lights and a window unit that can cool the bedroom at night for about 4 to 6 hours. Thanks for your video.
Shelley, Question for you: What are you going to do for EXTENDED power outages, i.e. days-on-end? With the current authoritarian political "Green New Deal" mindset of "ending all fossil fuels," you know those mega-outages are coming and will only increase.
@@danielschear556 I do have redundancies. For example I have 2 2200I generators that could power my batteries, one of them being the companion. I also own 4 12V Fridge/freezers where I can have hooked up to my Jackeries 500, each running a dometic fridge for 44 hours before charging. I've run them with the Jackery non stop for 3 weeks at one time using a 100w solar panel only. I alternate charging the Jackery every other day between them. I would transfer food from the residential fridge and freezer to my 12V. I have a set power and a Joytutus that would be my freezers. The Joytutus has been running as a freezer for 3 years non-stop. I also converted my generators to propane have 6 Jerry cans for ethanol free fuel. I had less stuff than I do now and survived 8 days with power/ or water during the freeze. Just getting ready to put up a small solar array of 1200 watts. Since the Freeze I have accumulated another 200 pounds of propane. I don't want to be off grid as I love air conditioning too much and financing a solar system that would provide me days of comfort with a/c would be astronomical especially since what I pay for electricity is pennies on the dollar. At my age my break even point would never come to be.
I own 2 Ankers and 4 different Ecoflows. No Bluetti, no Pecron. What's turned into a "must have" for me is the ability of the Ecoflows to set a percentage above which it will only charge via solar. But if battery gets low enough it draws from AC. It appears this might have the same capability. In their user manual it shows you can set a "Battery Level at which AC charging stops in UPS mode". Can you confirm that if unit is plugged into AC but battery level is above the percentage you choose, it will not charge from AC. But as soon as it hits that level it draws just enough to keep it at that level?
Thanks, Thanks, Thanks Jason for this great review which was highly anticipated. I'm excited to see the evolution of the Pecron brand. I loved the all the options of this generator.
Awesome review. I subscribed and look forward to watching your other content. I ordered my E3600LFP on the 16th and expected delivery is Mid-August. I feel even more confident in my purchase after watching your thorough review.
@Jason it would be great if your grading system 2.0 also includes “built-in” split-phase 240v output receptacle, this feature is critical for modern power backup solution, and i know buying two and using some adapter is so old school and takes up too many space, plus if you only have one string of VP re charging both head unit becomes an issue if you only got one power source.
But that would hurt smaller power stations that don't need 240v output. The 240v split phase is only beneficial for very large systems. Grading both large and small systems has its challenges for sure!
@@Jasonoid but that’s the point its time all 2kWh+ power station supports 240v a small mig welder that 240v can run for hours on 2kWh units, why should anyone pull around crazy large power stations just for 240v when a much smaller unit can do the same for many applications, plus having 240v the power station can support 240v gen input to power a home main panel with only the critical loads breaker on vs transfer a switch or sub panel etc. truly no need for 120v only units anymore IMO.
With devices getting more efficient I don't see a need for 240V. I'm running my entire house off 1 phase. Can weld 5/16" on single phase, run an air compressor and plasma cutter on 120V, 12kbtu Midea AC, microwave, washer/dryer, etc. I can run the house a majority of the time off my D2M but feed that into a Victron MultiPlus 2 5KVA, that uses power assist when the EcoFlow "needs assistance". Might need 240V if we get an EV but a 30A RV plug should cover 99.99% of the power needs.
@@rcguymike you do know thats not how electric efficiency works, the lower the resistance the more efficient that device is, so no matter how efficient 120v is 240v will always be more efficient no way around that.
Umm, it doesn't matter the voltage, if you run an old 240V 10 Amp compressor that's 2400W. If it runs for an hour that's 2.4kWhs of electricity. Now you run a 120V unit at 15A for an hour and you do the same amount of work you've used 1.8kWhs. Literally how efficiency works, you've used less power to do the same amount of work. 😂
I like this testing method of the inverter. I have a generator that’s rated for 2000 surge and tried to use it on my 15a table saw and it failed. It even failed on a 12a miter saw. It was supposed to be my off grid building setup. I ended up getting a ryobi 18v sliding miter saw, but also a bluetti ac180 that runs the table saw without any problem. I feel like manufacturers of generators and power stations arbitrarily double the rated capacity too often. I’ve never seen a surge load double an inverter output actually work.
That's why I like to test that when possible, so see how the surge actually works. Some power stations treat a large saw like a short circuit and fail to start it.
@@Jasonoid true and power stations have come a long way in the last couple years I’ve been using them. Feels like their efficiency and specs are becoming more rooted in reality/practicality.
yup, very good price for the power output and capacity. the cheapest 3kw off-grid inverter I found is $600. The optional or bundled external battery is pricey though at $1k bundled or $1.1k standalone. If I really need that extra capacity, I'd simply buy just another copy or get a server battery rack. I think what makes the external battery expensive is the DC cable. It is overbuilt considering the 3.6kw output can be handled by built-in battery-battery balance is not an issue because it is LFP and it is unlikely for load to be at 3kw constantly.
I love that this has a 30-amp charging cable with passthrough. Do you think it would work with the UPS feature for 120v whole home backup always connected via a 30-amp generator inlet?
Great looking unit. Read through all your comments. Im here in AZ. At what °F, high end & low end will it not charge. We've had 113-116°summer's. Can this be charged at an EV charging station? For fast charging?
Sunny beach Pecron... thats a banger! If the big names and the 9 or so others don't have these features and capabilities in their newest models, they soon will or had better. I'm trying to justify an AC180 (@$525 US) for my RV so I'm not in the market for these units, but if I was... this damn thing would already be on its way! 😛
@Jasonoid, have you had a chance to check for high EMI? Some of the other reviewers have stated that they are seeing a lot of interference with RF equipment anywhere close to the unit. This is probably the only thing that's stopping me from ordering one.
@@Jasonoid Thank you for pointing that out. I believe what I was wondering is more EMF than EMI. Do you ever use any RF monitors or radios to test for radiated RF noise?
@@carldavis123 when testing with my AM Radio the RF noise goes away after about 2-3 feet on most power stations. Pretty reasonable to stand that far away and be okay.
That thing is awesome for the price. My only complaint is the fan noise, but it’s decent compared to the competition. I don’t need 240 volt for things I want to run, but it is really nice for energizing your entire electric panel for your whole house (rather than just a transfer switch).
Sorry to see you left out testing how long the power station will run your downstairs refrigerator. I found that information to be valuable in comparing power stations. Hopefully this was just an oversight and not a change in your testing procedures.
See the video @9:48 On larger units like this I run my transfer switch with two refrigerators and many other appliances. I didn't leave out the test, I just ran more stuff in the test than just a fridge.
@@Jasonoid Thanks for your reply. In your review for the Oupes Mega 3, which has the size battery, you did test your downstair refrigerator. While testing with you transfer switch is helpful, it doesn't provide the same level of consistency that is helpful in making comparisons between units compared to testing the same device for ALL stations. Keep up the great work!
I just ordered the Pecron E300LFP to replace my River 2, because the River 2 couldn't handle the surge of the compressor on my Iceco refrigerators. Looking to get E1500LFP when the price comes down a little more so I can use it to 0ower 2 refrigerators at once in the truck.
Jason, I'm wondering about the fan noise; you only measured at full load, but I'm curious what the decibel reading is at low load, at what wattage do the fans ramp up, and how charging effects the fans? I'm considering this for a home office/audio video studio, and I'm wondering if I should just increase my budget to get a Delta Pro 3? I really love the new touch screen on this thing, and the DC capacity would be perfect for powering my network gear more efficiently! If say that $0.35 per wH for a fully spec'ed system is really all you could hope for in a mostly portable system...
Fans are really quiet when under normal usage. They are variable and only ramp up loud when under max loud. They are more pleasant than other budget models for sure.
Fantastic unit for the price, thanks for another thorough review! I’ve noticed on a few recent power stations that you got a higher usable watt % via AC over DC. I always thought that is was more efficient to run appliances under DC, as you’re not spending energy powering the inverter. Im guessing that for small loads this still holds true, but wondering if you’ve observed at what point it’s more efficient to run loads under AC instead?
Correct, if the AC load is large there is less loss of power to the inverter over time. If you have a load that sits idle on and off like an AC fridge you'll see less efficiency since the inverter is using more power in the background. Hard to see the hard numbers since ei don't have access to the battery cables on the power station to see the actual current or wattage the inverter uses, it's all an estimation.
On the XT60 test how do you pull over 400 watts from a 12vX30a outlet? Math says that's 360 watts max? And on the 12vX10a car port you were hitting 180 watts? Which should be maxed at 120 watts? Are you simply testing beyond the specifications? Other than that, really enjoy your videos, thanks you.
I always test for max power available. The rated specs are usually ball park numbers and sometimes you can get more or less power. For example, it says 12v output yet it's actually regulated at 13.4v (which is better than 12v). It says 360w but I got 400w. The DC output is killer on this model, so no complaints from me.
I'm very tempted by this, but if you want more capacity than the 3KWh, I think a DIY system with EG4 6000XP and EG4 14KWh battery is a better way to go. A lot more input and output capabilities for not much more money.
Large DIY systems are much more scalable and can be repaired and upgraded much easier. Plug n play setups are very simple and easy to use. They both have their place. Power stations around 1000wh and less are super compact and the prices are amazing for what you get.
Hello, good review. For some reason, my DP wont run my 13500 BTU RV AC unit. Any idea why? I thought the surge would be less than 7200 watts. Thank you.
Nice review! You showed how it handles a table saw serge at start up. I’m looking for a unit that can handle the surge of an RV air conditioner. Will the 3600 handle that?
Just curious what your thoughts are about Pecron's customer service and their quality? Thanks for another great video. Really considering purchasing this one.
I don't have too much experience with them personally. I know that if something breaks they like to verify what the issue is. That requires sending pictures or videos of the issue to their support group. Sometimes I have heard that they will ship out a part for you to fix it if you are comfortable, if not shipping needs to be paid by the customer which can be costly.
Ohh wow I need to find someone that would want my ac200 L. This Pecron has to be the best power station as of right now. I am glad I found your channel i like how you review products. Will you include cold temperature protection in your reviews in the future? It is the only thing missing.
That's pretty hard to test on a power station since I can't fit these units in a freezer. Most of the large brands have low temp charging protection but I haven't tested. All LFP can charge at low rates in freezing temps without damage, so if it's cold just turn down the charging speeds really low and you'll be good. Fast and medium charging in cold temp is what causes the damage.
Hey Jason, great review as always. Best power station reviews on UA-cam. I received my Pecron 3600 last week and also have the fast charger. Jason I have Newpowa- 2 x 100 12v -VMP 19.06 , IMP 5.26 solar panels I was planning on installing on my van roof in Parallel for the sake of better partial shade performance. So will I have to connect in series to use these panels with the pecan? Also would it be better to purchase 2 x 100 24w panels and connect parallel. Maybe 1 x 200 12v or 24v. panel. Any suggestions? I want to be able to solar charge and alternator fast charge when driving and solar charger when parked when in town. Im planning on getting ground panels for when we are in full shade. Thanks
You need at least 30V to get the XT60 MPPT to turn on. That’s two or more “12V” panels in series or 1+ “24V” panel Tbh you could probably wire the 12V panels in parallel and slightly overpanel the 150W 12V input. Then connect the 500W Pecron alternator fast charger to one of the XT60 inputs, and leave one XT60 input open for a portable ground array.
Can the expansion batteries charge with solar via its 400w input while cascading with the E3600LFP? Thanks in advance. Great video. Your review of this unit was outstanding. Thanks again
You need to have a twin saw startup inrush test or at least also do it with other loads running at 50% of the inverters output. That was not a proper inrush test. A power strip extension bar with a on/off switch is the easiest way to control both motors simultaneously.
Need 220 in the Philippines (Pecron is available here) so I guess I need (2) E3600 's ??? For me , that with 4 batteries at the present dollar conversion rate would be $7,500 usd plus whatever extras I would need to hook up to my panel etc. Will they charge with a 220 wall outlet or a 220 gas generator ? ( Don't really want to chg. with solar ).
SO NICE to see the XT60 30A output. I understand why sometimes 45A or 75A Anderson PP's are used but at the end of the day the smaller PP's are pretty much a radio thing and the XT60 is FAR more universal across RC stuff and all other aspects of Lithium Ion because AMASS has such a perfect selection of connectors with the XT90S, AS150, SH 8.0....So unless you really need a QS-10 or like the QS-8 I can't understand choosing any other connector. It gets expensive stocking parts for all the "popular" connectors and I decided to say fuck it to everyone that was using something besides AMASS lineup, QS, bullets, 4mm 32A bananas with 7 leaves, and JST XH 2.54mm...grudgingly I am considering getting a kit for the VH that's like 3.8mm or 3.9mm thats necessary for the balancing boards that can do several amps...I almost like it more than the JST XH. It can be super time consuming having to custom make a JST cable but I figure if you stock 3S, 4S, 5S, 6S, 7S, 8S, 10S, 12S, 14S, and 16S (in small numbers except for the stuff you do the most. If you do mostly LiFePO4 then 4S, 8S, and 16S are all you really need. Lipo people can do 3S-6S and be pretty good) Just buy a 10 pack of male to female extensions and male to male 200mm+ to cut in half and add some ring terminals to...super cheap on Aliexpress if you shop correctly. If you're still shopping on Amazon for anything related to hobby electronics or LiFePO4 you are paying a 30% premium (sometimes up to 100% premium) to buy from *Aliexpress stocked in the US
What is the comparable Ecoflow product to this? Is it the Delta 3 Pro? This has close to that capacity but at a much lower cost. Would this be a good option compared to the Delta 3 Pro?
The main difference between this one and the DP3 is that the DP3 has 240v output (and slightly higher wattage from the inverter 4000w). If you don't need 240v output, this one is a great option!
@Jasonoid Were you able to control the Pecron from the app remotely without being on the same WIFI network? The app for my E1500LFP won't refresh unless I'm on Bluetooth or on the same WIFI network as it. If I'm on 4g or another WIFI network, I cant do a single thing to control it through the app.
Love your test formats, any chance you could review a licitti product, they have 1k, 2k, and 3k inverter generators, with a 280ah custom battery. id love to see you put those to the test.
I reviewed a Licitti battery box and I had many viewers complian they paid and never got the product, so I pulled the video 🤷 mixed feedback I guess. I just don't want my viewers getting ripped off or scammed.
@@Jasonoid hm interesting, I wonder if their product was the battery, ppl dont realize that large batteries can't go on planes, so they travel via boat, the manufacturer is in China. I ordered the battery alone, at the time they had a great price on it, took 6-7 weeks to arrive. however, I expected the big delay because of the logistical issue with batteries and planes. I bet those ppl that complained, eventually got their product. The company has had great reviews from other youtubers as recent as a few months ago, but yeah, I like your testing methods and how you confirm everything.
[ sorry off topic - but nice review above ] in this Video -> "Fast Charge yoiur large Power Station off 12 Volts !" - What kind of DC to DC converter are you using ? Thanks !
Looks like a fantastic system. I have the 1500 LFP paired with the EP3000, I'm thinking about adding this one. I did have an issue with my Ep3000 and had to have Pecron repair it. Customer has to pay the shipping back to the factory. My biggest complaint with Pecron is the app, it's crap to be honest. I hope they do an update soon.
@@Bamabrute85 It stopped charging via solar. It would cascade charge from the 1500 but solar charging did not work. I assume they replaced the charge controller. I received it after about 14 days the day I shipped it back to Pecrom, so far so good. Shipping back to them was on me and via FEDEX with Ins the cost was $300. My local UPS store wouldn't ship it.
@@rmclark339 why did you have to pay for shipping if the product was still under warranty? What good is a warranty if you have to pay $300 for shipping?
@@teuton6167 Great question. They told me that's their policy. It was a pretty frustrating back and forth but in the end I needed the EP3000 fixed. Apparently they only have a 30 day window for free return/repairs. I think it's a flaw in their policy that may keep some from buying their products.
What do you give up when you pay bottom dollar? Quality. Customer service. Bought the e2000lfp. Lasted a week. Still waiting on replacement. Even if a get a new battery, it’s my last pecron purchase. They only communicate via email. No more than once per day as you explain how it’s broken
That's how any of these companies are, Jackery, EcoFlow, Bluetti. All of their support teams are overseas so you have a 12 hour difference in timezones. If you want USA customer service, go with Goal Zero, pretty sure thats the only US based option.
Does this unit have a amp limit input like the Anker f3800 Solix? And if you were purchasing a solar generator , would you purchase 2 e600lfp with 240 connector or 1 Anker f3800 Solix?. I'm a beginner and I need all the help I can get.
The only issue with having two separate units and running 240v split phase is that if either side of the panel isn't equal, one battery will discharge faster than the other one. If you need 240v output, I'd recommend the Anker F3800, the Ecoflow Delta Pro 3, or the Ecoflow Delta Pro Ultra (those all have one unit / one battery system).
Yep, 120 volts X 30 amps = 3600 watts. Surge seems to work well. Hard thing to test numbers wise. Watch the AC testing portion of the video to learn more.
Yeah, only at 13v though which most power stations will charge at only 100w with that voltage. Maybe by using a boost converter connected you could get more power.
For those of us that will be buying new or used panel's to charge this power station in a off grid or power out situation could you recommend what solar panel brand and how you would wire (Parallel and or series) would be most compatible with this unit to have the best chance of fully charging every day weather permitting of course. thank you
If you went with 350w to 400w glass panels which put out around 33 volts and 13 amps you could do 4 of those in series (similar to the two arrays I showed in my video). Prices on those panels are really good right now if you look locally I'm Facebook marketplace for new panels. Should be around $150 or so each.
@@Jasonoid USING SOLAR PANELS TO CHARGE THE E3600 LFP 1. DC5521 Charging Port: PV/DC 12V~30V, 150W maximum; VOC(open circuit voltage) of solar panel must be less than 25V; Do not wire more than three 36V solar panels in series, or more than six 18V solar panels in series. So I am very new to the solar world so I don't know why but the user manual says this on page 12
Out of all the major brands of these portable generators; Bluetti, Goal Zero, Jackery, Ecoflow, Pecron, Dabbsson, BougeRV, Yoshino, Lion Energy and any others I've failed to list, which company has the most consistent and responsive customer service and hassle-free warranty claim follow through?
@@Jasonoid Lion Energy is also located in Utah as is their customer support. I have their smallest portable generator and they have been very responsive via text.
I have a question. My old Bluetti will not accept charge from solar of just 200 W it Hass to be 400 to 600 W in series to get it to even except charging from solar. Now I know this is an older version, but this high capacity pair con, does it have the same? Can you hook 200 W up to it and it will still accept a charge from solar? 200 is about all I have. That charge is the smaller battery units. 600 charge is the large Bluetti. Will 200 watts still be able to put some solar energy into this pecern?
The older Bluetti you have will charge with two 12v solar panels in series, so two 200w panels for 400w, or even two 100w panels in series (it needs 32v miniumun to charge). You don't need three panels / 600w to start the charging. This power station has the low voltage charging port good for 150 watts where you can connect a 200w panel. If you want to use the large charge controllers, you'll also need at least 32v input to charge (at least two panels in series).
This supplies 30 amps of power at 120v. A 50 amp RV will pull up to 50 amps @ 240v of power. It just depends what you are going to be running at the same time.
Any time you have solar connected it will turn on and start charging. The inverter does not automatically turn on though, you'll have to turn it on via the smart app or AC button
I didn't notice any issues like that, I had one array pushing 140voc so I couldn't get much higher than that. They definitely made some good changes to the charge controllers. They are much faster
The parallel cable allows you to connect to matched solar arrays with one cable. It's probably better to have two separate arrays for better performance anyways. It's an interesting concept but I'm glad it's an option.
I am a very unhappy Hysolis Apollo 4K owner....already been through (3) main units and still don't have a properly functioning system. The system is so sensitive and buggy. I am now looking for an alternate setup. We do need 240V split phase as we run an entire off-grid cabin which has a 240V well pump. Does this system charge-share and power-share when connected in 240V split phase? I think that's important. The electrical panel is certainly not balanced. So it really does no good to have all that power available if half of it only goes to one side of the panel. Yes, you can swap the cables around when needed but that's one advantage of the Hysolis system. BUT...for me, the Hysolis has never worked that way properly. The charging share is also important. We have several arrays that point in different directions to catch sun throughout the day. If the units don't charge share, again, your power is limited to whichever unit is lowest on power. So having one unit 50% lower than the other limits overall power availability. Does the system support AC charging via generator? That's our only alternate charge source besides solar. We have to be able to charge that way. The Hysolis is but it's not as simple as they lead you to believe. The wiring from the generator to the Hysolis units must be wired in a specific way and you absolutely must use an inverter generator that produces a pure sign wave. They don't tell you that.
Those are common issues with a dual power station setup. It will be the same with a Bluetti model, Ecoflow model or even a dual Jackery setup. 1) no dual power station setup that know of will balance / load share the split phase legs, including this one so they have to be completely balanced, which is impossible in my opinion. 2) no power station that I know of will charge off a non inverter generator. They all have a sensitive charging system that requires strict voltage and a sine wave. Sounds like you need a single unit with 240v output so no requirement to worry about balancing the legs OR a 48v LFP battery / all in one inverter-charger. You'll still need a higher quality inverter generator for both systems though.
@@Jasonoid We did end up buying a large, dual-fuel, inverter generator and, after a lot of back and forth between our electrician and Hysolis, figured out how wire it to make it work properly. Hysolis didn't even know how to until we asked the questions. It costs us quite a bit of $ for our electrician to teach them how to charge their own units. The new Ecoflow 3 is a single unit 240V split phase system. Hysolis actually offered us a full refund and we could have taken it and just purchased the Ecoflow. But...we want to give Hysolis the chance to correct all this. We've spent so much $ tailoring our setup FOR to Hysolis, we need to give it every chance to work. They Hysolis IS supposed to charge share and self balance power so playing the cord swap game isn't supposed to be necessary. We shall see. But, I'm researching systems now just in case it continues to fail. All these systems make it sound easy.... it's just not. It's expensive and time consuming and incredibly sensitive to a lot of outside factors. But, we don't have a choice. Line power is not an option. It's solar power or no power and we have far too much $ invested at this point to not make it work.
@@michaelknapp5456 off grid power is very expensive, espeically when you don't have the sun around to charge your batteries. 10 to 15 years ago the cost was much much more. These new systems are still expensive but they have reduced the cost significantly vs what it was awhile ago. If I was going with a truly off grid setup I'd probably do a 48v server rack system. I hope you can get all the bugs worked out soon! 👍
Yep, the only thing you have to worry about it high voltage. Don't go over 150voc. I connected a 1600w array and it worked just fine, limiting to 1200w.
Wow, thanks for the in-depth video Jason! I think this option is one of the best ones right now. It checks all the boxes I want in a larger 120v model!
Excellent presentation. Thank you. Some really nice and robust DC output options. Pecron is really knocking it out of the park.
They threw everything they had at it and made it stick. Nicely done.
You are right about 240v outputs. So many features are non essential yet we base our buying decisions on it.
For 99% of people and 99% of scenarios, this unit does everything we’d want it to.
Every time it's getting more and more clear that campers really do not need the separate component set-up.
What a beast for that price.
Pecron keeps getting better. This one looks darn near perfect.
Own the E600 and love it, was very close to ordering the E1500LFP but after seeing this the E3600 is hard to pass up. Thanks for the in depth video as usual, we've come to expect nothing less. Have a good one!
Another great and thorough review. This is for me the perfect setup, I need 240v for my well pump. $3,200 for 7200W and just over 6,000 Wh is a perfect fit for my budget.
I’ve been checking your channel for the whole week everyday hoping you tested this unit. Can’t wait to see the results. Your the best
Thanks for the coupon 🎉
I just ordered, and i will be waiting to test all my job equipment. Last time i tried my 2000lfp with the big saw, it just couldn't handle it, during lunch time it just handled excellent the hot plate to cook my food, and with the new port i will be able to charge faster with my gas generator before it gets dark in case of emergency
This is such a beast verse the E2000LFP! You'll be impressed 👍
1500 pretty rockin price.
Not many power stations with this many features will have that price.
Yes, I really want split-phase output, without having to buy 2 units. I don't want the lights in my upstairs bathroom to not work, just because that particular circuit didn't make it in to my "critical loads" panel. I know I can't run *everything* in my home off a unit this size, but I'd like to be able to use small loads in any room of my house.
Pass-thru charging is my other must-have. Nice to see that this unit has that.
Thanks for sharing your feedback!
If you don’t need split phase output, you can use a TT-30P to L14-30R (or whatever your transfer switch uses) adapter that wires both legs to the same 120V hot leg from the TT-30.
This won’t work for any 240V loads (using hot to hot is 0V!) but it’ll energize both sides of your panel
I just received mine on Wednesday. Other than powering it on, I haven't done anything with it yet. I was waiting for your review to learn more about it before I started messing around with it.
Great review and fantastic bang for your buck with great output and capacity.
One of the best buys right now!
Yes an absolute winner, but you know what I wish one of these power station companies would do? Start a trade-in program. I would love to trade in my Pecron E1500 for this model. If we can do that with cars, why not with power stations? I bet there are many people who would love a deal on a gently-used power station for a cheaper price. Refurbished models are good, and help recycle these things. Hopefully, as an influencer, you can influence the companies you work with to think about this. I think it would be wildly successful.
I am not exactly an influencer but did talk to the company to give engineers certain implemented suggestions as some other companies aswell. Check with BLUETTI for the program you ask about exist.
Bluetti and ecoflow have trade in programs that I know of
@@Tech4Ten Thanks I will check it out. I have a Bluetti, but no Ecoflows.
I totally agree with the TRADE-IN idea, as I also own an E1500LFP.
Where are you from? Used market is solid
Pecron is smashing it! The power station market is about like the computer market. If you get one today, next month or next year, you will be able to get a unit with more power and features for less money. Great review!. Nice to see all of that solar power available for testing:D
My solar power is finally at a really good place. With the updated 1200w shed array and the 1600w carport, testing is really fun now!
I was calculating earlier this year a setup for a camper van. And I love it to see prices dropping after just 6 months. :D With an extension battery just $2600 and NO FURTHER WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE. ALL IN ONE. My setup was also around 3000 euros. But with a lot of electric DIY work. This setup is amazing. 3600w output is awesome.
Thanks for this video. I am planning to go off grid and know next to nothing about powering my tiny home. This explains a lot. Tks again.
Great presentation. I really enjoyed it. Pretty awesome unit with great features. Also, great looking unit.
Thank you for a very extensive review - you answered all of my questions plus many i didnt think you could ask!
Glad it was helpful!
As always, a nice, detailed review. I just bought the Bluetti AC200L and should have waited for this as it adds 50% more WH, my Wireless charging, double the PV input, better DC voltage connections and includes most of the needed cables, all at about $350 more.
Thanks for doing the work and just hoped for a review about 2 weeks earlier 😁
Great video Jason. Seems like Pecron hit it out of the ball park with this unit. For me it checks all the boxes I ever wanted. Had this unit been out when I first got into buying solar power banks I would not have had all the different units. Because of the variety of units and the lack of knowledge I had then I bought solar panels for all of the units that were sold as packages. Pecron will allow all the variety of solar arrays that I own to be used which is great. Even better is the that their expansion batteries can be used independently and be charged by themselves too. Had I known about this unit 4 weeks ago I would have seriously considered buying it instead of the EG4 setup I'm getting. I don't need 240 as my needs are for temporary grid outages and all I need is enough power for the fridge a couple of lights and a window unit that can cool the bedroom at night for about 4 to 6 hours. Thanks for your video.
No problems with an EG4 setup, those are sweet and are probably more durable and scalable in the long run. Kinda comparing apples to oranges.
Shelley, Question for you: What are you going to do for EXTENDED power outages, i.e. days-on-end? With the current authoritarian political "Green New Deal" mindset of "ending all fossil fuels," you know those mega-outages are coming and will only increase.
@@danielschear556 I do have redundancies. For example I have 2 2200I generators that could power my batteries, one of them being the companion. I also own 4 12V Fridge/freezers where I can have hooked up to my Jackeries 500, each running a dometic fridge for 44 hours before charging. I've run them with the Jackery non stop for 3 weeks at one time using a 100w solar panel only. I alternate charging the Jackery every other day between them. I would transfer food from the residential fridge and freezer to my 12V. I have a set power and a Joytutus that would be my freezers. The Joytutus has been running as a freezer for 3 years non-stop. I also converted my generators to propane have 6 Jerry cans for ethanol free fuel. I had less stuff than I do now and survived 8 days with power/ or water during the freeze. Just getting ready to put up a small solar array of 1200 watts. Since the Freeze I have accumulated another 200 pounds of propane. I don't want to be off grid as I love air conditioning too much and financing a solar system that would provide me days of comfort with a/c would be astronomical especially since what I pay for electricity is pennies on the dollar. At my age my break even point would never come to be.
I own 2 Ankers and 4 different Ecoflows. No Bluetti, no Pecron. What's turned into a "must have" for me is the ability of the Ecoflows to set a percentage above which it will only charge via solar. But if battery gets low enough it draws from AC.
It appears this might have the same capability. In their user manual it shows you can set a "Battery Level at which AC charging stops in UPS mode". Can you confirm that if unit is plugged into AC but battery level is above the percentage you choose, it will not charge from AC. But as soon as it hits that level it draws just enough to keep it at that level?
Excellent comprehensive review. You rock
Thanks, Thanks, Thanks Jason for this great review which was highly anticipated. I'm excited to see the evolution of the Pecron brand. I loved the all the options of this generator.
Awesome review. I subscribed and look forward to watching your other content. I ordered my E3600LFP on the 16th and expected delivery is Mid-August. I feel even more confident in my purchase after watching your thorough review.
Good choice! It's a nice unit!
@Jason it would be great if your grading system 2.0 also includes “built-in” split-phase 240v output receptacle, this feature is critical for modern power backup solution, and i know buying two and using some adapter is so old school and takes up too many space, plus if you only have one string of VP re charging both head unit becomes an issue if you only got one power source.
But that would hurt smaller power stations that don't need 240v output. The 240v split phase is only beneficial for very large systems. Grading both large and small systems has its challenges for sure!
@@Jasonoid but that’s the point its time all 2kWh+ power station supports 240v a small mig welder that 240v can run for hours on 2kWh units, why should anyone pull around crazy large power stations just for 240v when a much smaller unit can do the same for many applications, plus having 240v the power station can support 240v gen input to power a home main panel with only the critical loads breaker on vs transfer a switch or sub panel etc. truly no need for 120v only units anymore IMO.
With devices getting more efficient I don't see a need for 240V. I'm running my entire house off 1 phase. Can weld 5/16" on single phase, run an air compressor and plasma cutter on 120V, 12kbtu Midea AC, microwave, washer/dryer, etc. I can run the house a majority of the time off my D2M but feed that into a Victron MultiPlus 2 5KVA, that uses power assist when the EcoFlow "needs assistance". Might need 240V if we get an EV but a 30A RV plug should cover 99.99% of the power needs.
@@rcguymike you do know thats not how electric efficiency works, the lower the resistance the more efficient that device is, so no matter how efficient 120v is 240v will always be more efficient no way around that.
Umm, it doesn't matter the voltage, if you run an old 240V 10 Amp compressor that's 2400W. If it runs for an hour that's 2.4kWhs of electricity. Now you run a 120V unit at 15A for an hour and you do the same amount of work you've used 1.8kWhs.
Literally how efficiency works, you've used less power to do the same amount of work. 😂
Wow. Thanks for the review and the updated spreadsheet.
Cuz I've been too busy to add it, I'll get around to it soon... Finished the video late last night.
@@Jasonoidmakes sense. Thanks. The E200 also seems to be missing. That was a year ago. Is that a vote of non-confidence?
@@jgz2 never reviewed it.
I like this testing method of the inverter. I have a generator that’s rated for 2000 surge and tried to use it on my 15a table saw and it failed. It even failed on a 12a miter saw. It was supposed to be my off grid building setup.
I ended up getting a ryobi 18v sliding miter saw, but also a bluetti ac180 that runs the table saw without any problem.
I feel like manufacturers of generators and power stations arbitrarily double the rated capacity too often. I’ve never seen a surge load double an inverter output actually work.
That's why I like to test that when possible, so see how the surge actually works. Some power stations treat a large saw like a short circuit and fail to start it.
@@Jasonoid true and power stations have come a long way in the last couple years I’ve been using them. Feels like their efficiency and specs are becoming more rooted in reality/practicality.
yup, very good price for the power output and capacity. the cheapest 3kw off-grid inverter I found is $600. The optional or bundled external battery is pricey though at $1k bundled or $1.1k standalone. If I really need that extra capacity, I'd simply buy just another copy or get a server battery rack. I think what makes the external battery expensive is the DC cable. It is overbuilt considering the 3.6kw output can be handled by built-in battery-battery balance is not an issue because it is LFP and it is unlikely for load to be at 3kw constantly.
I'd question the quality of a $600 48v inverter all in one. That's pretty cheap!
I love that this has a 30-amp charging cable with passthrough. Do you think it would work with the UPS feature for 120v whole home backup always connected via a 30-amp generator inlet?
I can't remember the max UPS wattage but it's fairly high, Ill need to look that one up. It might be on their website.
Thanks Jason, awesome video, long-awaited😃. I noticed that one of the controllers was actually taking in more than 1200 watts. Nice!!!
That is correct, it sticks right around 1200w, sometimes a little extra 👍
Great power station, would have to be the Hulk to move it around.
They have a dolly for it if you want. With two poeple it's not bad. Carry handles are beefy!
I think Bruce Banner could handle it.
Great looking unit. Read through all your comments. Im here in AZ. At what °F, high end & low end will it not charge. We've had 113-116°summer's. Can this be charged at an EV charging station? For fast charging?
Good Afternoon ! This looks like a winner. TAKE CARE..
Sunny beach Pecron... thats a banger! If the big names and the 9 or so others don't have these features and capabilities in their newest models, they soon will or had better. I'm trying to justify an AC180 (@$525 US) for my RV so I'm not in the market for these units, but if I was... this damn thing would already be on its way! 😛
Great video.. and nice system. Quick question does it has the ability to set time to charge, as in time-of-use with AC features..
36kg is into impractical territory for something portable especially as it doesn't look like it has wheels, impressive all the same though.
I don't see someone moving this much, they do have a cool dolly it can sit on if you need something more portable
@Jasonoid, have you had a chance to check for high EMI? Some of the other reviewers have stated that they are seeing a lot of interference with RF equipment anywhere close to the unit. This is probably the only thing that's stopping me from ordering one.
I showed that test in the video, under AC testing.
@@Jasonoid Thank you for pointing that out. I believe what I was wondering is more EMF than EMI. Do you ever use any RF monitors or radios to test for radiated RF noise?
@@carldavis123 when testing with my AM Radio the RF noise goes away after about 2-3 feet on most power stations. Pretty reasonable to stand that far away and be okay.
That thing is awesome for the price. My only complaint is the fan noise, but it’s decent compared to the competition.
I don’t need 240 volt for things I want to run, but it is really nice for energizing your entire electric panel for your whole house (rather than just a transfer switch).
The fan noise isn't too bad, they don't rev up that high very often, just under peak load.
Sorry to see you left out testing how long the power station will run your downstairs refrigerator. I found that information to be valuable in comparing power stations. Hopefully this was just an oversight and not a change in your testing procedures.
See the video @9:48 On larger units like this I run my transfer switch with two refrigerators and many other appliances. I didn't leave out the test, I just ran more stuff in the test than just a fridge.
@@Jasonoid Thanks for your reply. In your review for the Oupes Mega 3, which has the size battery, you did test your downstair refrigerator. While testing with you transfer switch is helpful, it doesn't provide the same level of consistency that is helpful in making comparisons between units compared to testing the same device for ALL stations. Keep up the great work!
I could buy it now but if I start working out maybe in a year I'll be able to lift it. 😅
Hey, it's pretty heavy! 😂
I got mine and also purchased the cart. The cart is nice but the unit is still heavy but doable.
returning to this rabbit hole. very useful info. Liked and subbed
I just ordered the Pecron E300LFP to replace my River 2, because the River 2 couldn't handle the surge of the compressor on my Iceco refrigerators. Looking to get E1500LFP when the price comes down a little more so I can use it to 0ower 2 refrigerators at once in the truck.
The E1500lfp is awesome! I just used it last week while camping.
Jason, I'm wondering about the fan noise; you only measured at full load, but I'm curious what the decibel reading is at low load, at what wattage do the fans ramp up, and how charging effects the fans? I'm considering this for a home office/audio video studio, and I'm wondering if I should just increase my budget to get a Delta Pro 3?
I really love the new touch screen on this thing, and the DC capacity would be perfect for powering my network gear more efficiently! If say that $0.35 per wH for a fully spec'ed system is really all you could hope for in a mostly portable system...
Fans are really quiet when under normal usage. They are variable and only ramp up loud when under max loud. They are more pleasant than other budget models for sure.
@@Jasonoid Thanks Jason, I appreciate your response! So, being a UA-camr, would you have a problem shooting videos in the same room with this unit?
@@johndelabretonne2373 I think it would do okay under normal use, running my office and computer 👍
Fantastic unit for the price, thanks for another thorough review!
I’ve noticed on a few recent power stations that you got a higher usable watt % via AC over DC. I always thought that is was more efficient to run appliances under DC, as you’re not spending energy powering the inverter. Im guessing that for small loads this still holds true, but wondering if you’ve observed at what point it’s more efficient to run loads under AC instead?
Correct, if the AC load is large there is less loss of power to the inverter over time.
If you have a load that sits idle on and off like an AC fridge you'll see less efficiency since the inverter is using more power in the background.
Hard to see the hard numbers since ei don't have access to the battery cables on the power station to see the actual current or wattage the inverter uses, it's all an estimation.
If the head unit could be sold as a separate unit, that would be amazing.
Like the Bluetti AC300?
Great channel!
Thank you!
Thank you.
You're welcome!
Is a Smart-Phone/ I-Pad mandatory for use in conjunction with this? I was thinking of getting one for an elderly relative. Thanks.
You don't need a smart app, all the settings are available via the touch screen as well.
@@Jasonoid Thanks.
On the XT60 test how do you pull over 400 watts from a 12vX30a outlet? Math says that's 360 watts max?
And on the 12vX10a car port you were hitting 180 watts? Which should be maxed at 120 watts?
Are you simply testing beyond the specifications?
Other than that, really enjoy your videos, thanks you.
I always test for max power available. The rated specs are usually ball park numbers and sometimes you can get more or less power.
For example, it says 12v output yet it's actually regulated at 13.4v (which is better than 12v). It says 360w but I got 400w. The DC output is killer on this model, so no complaints from me.
Ok .... Thx
I'm very tempted by this, but if you want more capacity than the 3KWh, I think a DIY system with EG4 6000XP and EG4 14KWh battery is a better way to go. A lot more input and output capabilities for not much more money.
I agree. However, if someone is like me an electrical idiot these are a nice option to have. Lol that eg4 is a sweet system wish I knew how to use it.
Large DIY systems are much more scalable and can be repaired and upgraded much easier. Plug n play setups are very simple and easy to use. They both have their place. Power stations around 1000wh and less are super compact and the prices are amazing for what you get.
Agree! Just ordered the 6000xp and 1 Power Pro for now... but I ❤ these Pecron stations.
Can you use their app to monitor the extension battery, if used on its own ? With the 12V port, it might be all I need for my HAM gear.
The app only connects to the main head unit. If a battery is connected you can see the status of the battery through the app, but not stand alone.
Is your Pecr on? With this power station it absolutely will be :-)
LOL
Hello, good review.
For some reason, my DP wont run my 13500 BTU RV AC unit. Any idea why? I thought the surge would be less than 7200 watts. Thank you.
Nice review! You showed how it handles a table saw serge at start up. I’m looking for a unit that can handle the surge of an RV air conditioner. Will the 3600 handle that?
I wasn't able to test it on a RV airconditioner so I can't say for sure, but it did handle the startup load from the saw really well.
Just curious what your thoughts are about Pecron's customer service and their quality? Thanks for another great video. Really considering purchasing this one.
I don't have too much experience with them personally. I know that if something breaks they like to verify what the issue is. That requires sending pictures or videos of the issue to their support group. Sometimes I have heard that they will ship out a part for you to fix it if you are comfortable, if not shipping needs to be paid by the customer which can be costly.
Ohh wow I need to find someone that would want my ac200 L. This Pecron has to be the best power station as of right now. I am glad I found your channel i like how you review products. Will you include cold temperature protection in your reviews in the future? It is the only thing missing.
That's pretty hard to test on a power station since I can't fit these units in a freezer. Most of the large brands have low temp charging protection but I haven't tested. All LFP can charge at low rates in freezing temps without damage, so if it's cold just turn down the charging speeds really low and you'll be good. Fast and medium charging in cold temp is what causes the damage.
@@Jasonoid ahh ok I just wonder about it in the winter months thank you for your response
Great test! When you solar charge the power station and charge additionally the extra battery with solar, will it show up in the screen?
The extra wattage going into the battery does not show on the screen.
Hey Jason, great review as always. Best power station reviews on UA-cam. I received my Pecron 3600 last week and also have the fast charger. Jason I have Newpowa- 2 x 100 12v -VMP 19.06 , IMP 5.26 solar panels I was planning on installing on my van roof in Parallel for the sake of better partial shade performance. So will I have to connect in series to use these panels with the pecan? Also would it be better to purchase 2 x 100 24w panels and connect parallel. Maybe 1 x 200 12v or 24v. panel. Any suggestions? I want to be able to solar charge and alternator fast charge when driving and solar charger when parked when in town. Im planning on getting ground panels for when we are in full shade. Thanks
You need at least 30V to get the XT60 MPPT to turn on. That’s two or more “12V” panels in series or 1+ “24V” panel
Tbh you could probably wire the 12V panels in parallel and slightly overpanel the 150W 12V input. Then connect the 500W Pecron alternator fast charger to one of the XT60 inputs, and leave one XT60 input open for a portable ground array.
Can the expansion batteries charge with solar via its 400w input while cascading with the E3600LFP? Thanks in advance. Great video. Your review of this unit was outstanding. Thanks again
I did not test that specifically but it doesn't mention that being an issue in the owners manual. I think it would work just fine.
You need to have a twin saw startup inrush test or at least also do it with other loads running at 50% of the inverters output. That was not a proper inrush test. A power strip extension bar with a on/off switch is the easiest way to control both motors simultaneously.
Thanks for the feedback and suggestions!
Need 220 in the Philippines (Pecron is available here) so I guess I need (2) E3600 's ???
For me , that with 4 batteries at the present dollar conversion rate would be $7,500 usd plus whatever extras I would need to hook up to my panel etc.
Will they charge with a 220 wall outlet or a 220 gas generator ? ( Don't really want to chg. with solar ).
Available in local online shops in Philippines like Lazada and Shopee.
SO NICE to see the XT60 30A output. I understand why sometimes 45A or 75A Anderson PP's are used but at the end of the day the smaller PP's are pretty much a radio thing and the XT60 is FAR more universal across RC stuff and all other aspects of Lithium Ion because AMASS has such a perfect selection of connectors with the XT90S, AS150, SH 8.0....So unless you really need a QS-10 or like the QS-8 I can't understand choosing any other connector. It gets expensive stocking parts for all the "popular" connectors and I decided to say fuck it to everyone that was using something besides AMASS lineup, QS, bullets, 4mm 32A bananas with 7 leaves, and JST XH 2.54mm...grudgingly I am considering getting a kit for the VH that's like 3.8mm or 3.9mm thats necessary for the balancing boards that can do several amps...I almost like it more than the JST XH. It can be super time consuming having to custom make a JST cable but I figure if you stock 3S, 4S, 5S, 6S, 7S, 8S, 10S, 12S, 14S, and 16S (in small numbers except for the stuff you do the most. If you do mostly LiFePO4 then 4S, 8S, and 16S are all you really need. Lipo people can do 3S-6S and be pretty good) Just buy a 10 pack of male to female extensions and male to male 200mm+ to cut in half and add some ring terminals to...super cheap on Aliexpress if you shop correctly.
If you're still shopping on Amazon for anything related to hobby electronics or LiFePO4 you are paying a 30% premium (sometimes up to 100% premium) to buy from *Aliexpress stocked in the US
Excellent points! Thanks for sharing!
Great video! I'm going to order one! Any suggestion on solar panels that will work well with this battery to use at my home?
Use this process to get six 400 watt panels, three per charge controller:
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Just received mine from your previous link. Hope you got credit for it I haven't unboxed yet.
Let me know what you think about it! I love this thing.
@@Jasonoidnext up is finding the best portable solar panels for this thing and extra battery to go off grid with my truck camper.
@@Jasonoid and when my smart charger arrives I will get that installed on my truck.
I like that you can monitor the batteries, but can you actually replace the internal batteries if they did go to pot?
Possibly, that's something that would be good to find out. It would be a tricky repair for sure.
What is the comparable Ecoflow product to this? Is it the Delta 3 Pro? This has close to that capacity but at a much lower cost. Would this be a good option compared to the Delta 3 Pro?
The main difference between this one and the DP3 is that the DP3 has 240v output (and slightly higher wattage from the inverter 4000w). If you don't need 240v output, this one is a great option!
Not available in Canada yet
Yeah, not sure on that timeline. You could always email them to find out.
It also has a high EMF output 🫥
@Jasonoid Were you able to control the Pecron from the app remotely without being on the same WIFI network? The app for my E1500LFP won't refresh unless I'm on Bluetooth or on the same WIFI network as it. If I'm on 4g or another WIFI network, I cant do a single thing to control it through the app.
Thanks Great Video. Really like this.
Glad to hear it! It's a beast!
I ordered mine yesterday. When I was researching it seemed to check all the boxes without a big name or price tag attached to it.
Nice!
Love your test formats, any chance you could review a licitti product, they have 1k, 2k, and 3k inverter generators, with a 280ah custom battery. id love to see you put those to the test.
I reviewed a Licitti battery box and I had many viewers complian they paid and never got the product, so I pulled the video 🤷 mixed feedback I guess. I just don't want my viewers getting ripped off or scammed.
@@Jasonoid hm interesting, I wonder if their product was the battery, ppl dont realize that large batteries can't go on planes, so they travel via boat, the manufacturer is in China.
I ordered the battery alone, at the time they had a great price on it, took 6-7 weeks to arrive. however, I expected the big delay because of the logistical issue with batteries and planes. I bet those ppl that complained, eventually got their product.
The company has had great reviews from other youtubers as recent as a few months ago, but yeah, I like your testing methods and how you confirm everything.
I really wish these things would use a separate breakout box for connections.
For the DC output?
@@Jasonoid For all input and output. It just looks so sloppy with all the cables running in/out of these things....
@@NeverTakeNoShortcuts gotcha!
[ sorry off topic - but nice review above ] in this Video -> "Fast Charge yoiur large Power Station off 12 Volts !" - What kind of DC to DC converter are you using ? Thanks !
I'm using this:
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Hey Jason I need consultation. This stuff hard to understand
I need help finding what is needed for my cargo van
I can answer simple solar and battery design questions here:
asqme.com/@Jasonoid
Looks like a fantastic system. I have the 1500 LFP paired with the EP3000, I'm thinking about adding this one. I did have an issue with my Ep3000 and had to have Pecron repair it. Customer has to pay the shipping back to the factory. My biggest complaint with Pecron is the app, it's crap to be honest. I hope they do an update soon.
What kind of issue did you have with the EP3000? I just got mine in the mail yesterday.
@@Bamabrute85 It stopped charging via solar. It would cascade charge from the 1500 but solar charging did not work. I assume they replaced the charge controller. I received it after about 14 days the day I shipped it back to Pecrom, so far so good. Shipping back to them was on me and via FEDEX with Ins the cost was $300. My local UPS store wouldn't ship it.
Thanks for sharing your honest opinion and experience! I'm glad they were able to fix it but it stinks you had to pay shipping.
@@rmclark339 why did you have to pay for shipping if the product was still under warranty? What good is a warranty if you have to pay $300 for shipping?
@@teuton6167 Great question. They told me that's their policy. It was a pretty frustrating back and forth but in the end I needed the EP3000 fixed. Apparently they only have a 30 day window for free return/repairs. I think it's a flaw in their policy that may keep some from buying their products.
What do you give up when you pay bottom dollar? Quality. Customer service. Bought the e2000lfp. Lasted a week. Still waiting on replacement. Even if a get a new battery, it’s my last pecron purchase. They only communicate via email. No more than once per day as you explain how it’s broken
That's how any of these companies are, Jackery, EcoFlow, Bluetti. All of their support teams are overseas so you have a 12 hour difference in timezones. If you want USA customer service, go with Goal Zero, pretty sure thats the only US based option.
I would not go with Goal Zero. They DON'T use LiFePO4 batteries!
@@Jasonoid still, my battery lasted a week. No large solar usage, no large appliance used. Just stopped working.
@@jaymedina3142 all their new products do, whole product line in 2024.
@@JasonoidI was able to call anker on the phone with some questions about my solix f3800.The guy was even super helpful with a positive attitude😁
Thanks!
Thank you!
Does this unit have a amp limit input like the Anker f3800 Solix? And if you were purchasing a solar generator , would you purchase 2 e600lfp with 240 connector or 1 Anker f3800 Solix?. I'm a beginner and I need all the help I can get.
The only issue with having two separate units and running 240v split phase is that if either side of the panel isn't equal, one battery will discharge faster than the other one.
If you need 240v output, I'd recommend the Anker F3800, the Ecoflow Delta Pro 3, or the Ecoflow Delta Pro Ultra (those all have one unit / one battery system).
Thank you young man for your response.Can I email you with more questions? I'm new to all of this and need a lot of help.
@@CharlesBurks-v5q I offer basic consulting here on this website:
asqme.com/@Jasonoid
Does the 30A outlet actually provide a full 30A if not how much? Also how large of a surge load in wattage say for 5-10sec will it be able to put out?
Yep, 120 volts X 30 amps = 3600 watts.
Surge seems to work well. Hard thing to test numbers wise. Watch the AC testing portion of the video to learn more.
So with that XT60 DC output you could transfer storage to another battery's solar input?
Yeah, only at 13v though which most power stations will charge at only 100w with that voltage. Maybe by using a boost converter connected you could get more power.
For those of us that will be buying new or used panel's to charge this power station in a off grid or power out situation could you recommend what solar panel brand and how you would wire (Parallel and or series) would be most compatible with this unit to have the best chance of fully charging every day weather permitting of course. thank you
If you went with 350w to 400w glass panels which put out around 33 volts and 13 amps you could do 4 of those in series (similar to the two arrays I showed in my video). Prices on those panels are really good right now if you look locally I'm Facebook marketplace for new panels. Should be around $150 or so each.
@@Jasonoid USING SOLAR PANELS TO CHARGE THE E3600 LFP
1. DC5521 Charging Port: PV/DC 12V~30V, 150W maximum; VOC(open circuit voltage) of solar panel must be less than
25V;
Do not wire more than three 36V solar panels
in series, or more than six 18V solar panels in series.
So I am very new to the solar world so I don't know why but the user manual says this on page 12
Out of all the major brands of these portable generators; Bluetti, Goal Zero, Jackery, Ecoflow, Pecron, Dabbsson, BougeRV, Yoshino, Lion Energy and any others I've failed to list, which company has the most consistent and responsive customer service and hassle-free warranty claim follow through?
Goal zero, American US based customer support in Utah.
@@Jasonoid Lion Energy is also located in Utah as is their customer support. I have their smallest portable generator and they have been very responsive via text.
I haven't followed Lion Energy too much but yeah, they are from Utah as well.
@@Jasonoid Any future plans to test any of their generators and or solar panels?
@@patrickio8084 not right now
I have a question. My old Bluetti will not accept charge from solar of just 200 W it Hass to be 400 to 600 W in series to get it to even except charging from solar. Now I know this is an older version, but this high capacity pair con, does it have the same? Can you hook 200 W up to it and it will still accept a charge from solar? 200 is about all I have. That charge is the smaller battery units. 600 charge is the large Bluetti. Will 200 watts still be able to put some solar energy into this pecern?
The older Bluetti you have will charge with two 12v solar panels in series, so two 200w panels for 400w, or even two 100w panels in series (it needs 32v miniumun to charge). You don't need three panels / 600w to start the charging.
This power station has the low voltage charging port good for 150 watts where you can connect a 200w panel. If you want to use the large charge controllers, you'll also need at least 32v input to charge (at least two panels in series).
Would this be a good choice for a 50amp RV?
This supplies 30 amps of power at 120v. A 50 amp RV will pull up to 50 amps @ 240v of power. It just depends what you are going to be running at the same time.
I wonder, when ac low voltage shot off, will it start automatically when recharged by solar?
Any time you have solar connected it will turn on and start charging. The inverter does not automatically turn on though, you'll have to turn it on via the smart app or AC button
It’s heavy as hell!
It's as heavy as a 3072wh LFP battery. Big batteries are heavy.
The solar charging on the 1500LFP would drop if the voc got above 80 out of 95, does this one have a similar issue(at like 135 voc/ 150?)
I didn't notice any issues like that, I had one array pushing 140voc so I couldn't get much higher than that. They definitely made some good changes to the charge controllers. They are much faster
Not available in Canada!Why?
You can always email them as ask if theres a planned date for Canada
Will this power station run a 220 volt mini -split like a Mr Cool? OR the 120 volt ; 12,000 BTU mini-split?
it only has a 120v inverter, so it won't power 240v loads. It should work fine on a 12,000btu mini split if it's 120v.
On the AC inverter noise. Is noise transferring to appliance? Thank you.
It did with the speaker.
I'm new to all of this. Looking for something to run my camper. So is that equal to 300ah batteries?
It's equivalent to about 230ah of 12v LFP batteries.
Thats a sweet PC
That green screen is so mesmerizing!
Does the MC4 to DUAL xt60 cable mean you get 20 amps instead of only 10 amps on a typical 180w 22 volt solar panel? Thanks for your time.
That's 10amps per each xt60 input with the dual xt60 cable?
A panel can only put out its rated amperage regardless of cable. A cable can't change that.
The parallel cable allows you to connect to matched solar arrays with one cable. It's probably better to have two separate arrays for better performance anyways. It's an interesting concept but I'm glad it's an option.
That connector box for split phase, 240 V doesn’t seem to exist. Is it a proprietary component?
All of these companies offer their own proprietary 240v combiner box.
@@Jasonoid, I can’t seem to find Pecrons
Doesn't seem to be on sale yet. Probably a little early since it's pre-order.
I am a very unhappy Hysolis Apollo 4K owner....already been through (3) main units and still don't have a properly functioning system. The system is so sensitive and buggy. I am now looking for an alternate setup.
We do need 240V split phase as we run an entire off-grid cabin which has a 240V well pump.
Does this system charge-share and power-share when connected in 240V split phase? I think that's important. The electrical panel is certainly not balanced. So it really does no good to have all that power available if half of it only goes to one side of the panel. Yes, you can swap the cables around when needed but that's one advantage of the Hysolis system. BUT...for me, the Hysolis has never worked that way properly. The charging share is also important. We have several arrays that point in different directions to catch sun throughout the day. If the units don't charge share, again, your power is limited to whichever unit is lowest on power. So having one unit 50% lower than the other limits overall power availability.
Does the system support AC charging via generator? That's our only alternate charge source besides solar. We have to be able to charge that way. The Hysolis is but it's not as simple as they lead you to believe. The wiring from the generator to the Hysolis units must be wired in a specific way and you absolutely must use an inverter generator that produces a pure sign wave. They don't tell you that.
Those are common issues with a dual power station setup. It will be the same with a Bluetti model, Ecoflow model or even a dual Jackery setup.
1) no dual power station setup that know of will balance / load share the split phase legs, including this one so they have to be completely balanced, which is impossible in my opinion.
2) no power station that I know of will charge off a non inverter generator. They all have a sensitive charging system that requires strict voltage and a sine wave.
Sounds like you need a single unit with 240v output so no requirement to worry about balancing the legs OR a 48v LFP battery / all in one inverter-charger. You'll still need a higher quality inverter generator for both systems though.
@@Jasonoid We did end up buying a large, dual-fuel, inverter generator and, after a lot of back and forth between our electrician and Hysolis, figured out how wire it to make it work properly. Hysolis didn't even know how to until we asked the questions. It costs us quite a bit of $ for our electrician to teach them how to charge their own units.
The new Ecoflow 3 is a single unit 240V split phase system. Hysolis actually offered us a full refund and we could have taken it and just purchased the Ecoflow. But...we want to give Hysolis the chance to correct all this. We've spent so much $ tailoring our setup FOR to Hysolis, we need to give it every chance to work. They Hysolis IS supposed to charge share and self balance power so playing the cord swap game isn't supposed to be necessary. We shall see. But, I'm researching systems now just in case it continues to fail. All these systems make it sound easy.... it's just not. It's expensive and time consuming and incredibly sensitive to a lot of outside factors. But, we don't have a choice. Line power is not an option. It's solar power or no power and we have far too much $ invested at this point to not make it work.
@@michaelknapp5456 off grid power is very expensive, espeically when you don't have the sun around to charge your batteries. 10 to 15 years ago the cost was much much more. These new systems are still expensive but they have reduced the cost significantly vs what it was awhile ago. If I was going with a truly off grid setup I'd probably do a 48v server rack system. I hope you can get all the bugs worked out soon! 👍
What happens if you stay under the maximum volts but go over with the total watts ?
The charge controller with throttle the input wattage. It won't hurt anything.
Yep, the only thing you have to worry about it high voltage. Don't go over 150voc. I connected a 1600w array and it worked just fine, limiting to 1200w.
Do you know if this qualifies for the Residential Green Energy 30% Tax Credit Program?
Anything 3072wh or larger should qualify.
@@Jasonoidthis makes this deal even better