Armi San Marcos Colt 1860 Cartridge Conversion Revolver

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  • @lisar3006
    @lisar3006 6 років тому +7

    I wish Armi san marco was still in business or Uberti would make the Type I Richards.

  • @josephhouseman9482
    @josephhouseman9482 6 років тому +4

    Thank You, I'm very fond of my ASM 1871 Colt. It's unfortunate that they were discontinued and ASM went bust. The Uberti versions now imported are better built and stronger guns but don't much resemble the originals or the ASM. The new Ubertis are based not on the 1860 frame but on the larger 1872 open top frame and cylinder and instead of the cylinder being rebated smaller at the rear they made the front larger, That totally destroys the sleek graceful lines of the 1860/1871 Colts.

  • @shadowalker1776
    @shadowalker1776 11 років тому +4

    You bring such interesting firearms to UA-cam, thank you.

  • @JMunn55
    @JMunn55 9 років тому +9

    I really like the early Richards conversions for one reason: the ejector tube. I love the original looks of the 1860, and the early ones kept original shape of the frame where the rammer would go.
    Unfortunately it seems like almost every modern reproduction on the market is the later Richards-Mason

  • @murphysmuskets
    @murphysmuskets 10 років тому +2

    I have one of the ASM Richards conversions. One of my favorite revolvers but it is frequently in the shop with Alan.

  • @larrywilley3697
    @larrywilley3697 5 років тому +2

    Another great video, where outstanding is the standard. Also, defining the standard is high quality marksmanship that says " this boy is a shooter."

  • @rojmog
    @rojmog 11 років тому +5

    Beautiful action. Quality video Mike.

  • @leftistsarenotpeople
    @leftistsarenotpeople 2 роки тому

    I've been after an ASM conversion for the longest time. Well, that ship finally docked! I picked up a GORGEOUS 5.5" 1860 Richards type 1 in .44 Colt imported by Cimarron and it has a early serial number under 2050! It is truly a beautiful revolver but with the bad reputation ASM has, I'm SO hoping this thing doesn't turn out to be a lemon and fall apart. That would suck even more considering I payed through the nose for this thing. Probably paid more than what I should but hey, if you want something bad enough, you'll pay what you think it is worth. Glory to CAPITALISM!!! I will say this though, if it is as good as my 7 1/2" ASM Hartford model EMF Frontier Six Shooter in 44wcf... then it is a gem! That pistol has been fantastic. Not sure when it was made but I got it on consignment in 2009 with a serial number in the high 14,000 range so I'm guessing it was probably made in the mid 90's.
    I think I should have this Richards sent away to make sure all the essentials are done up right, i.e. lock work is polished, Forcing cone cut to 11 degrees, muzzle guaranteed flush, and to make sure that arbor fit is correct. It has some light drag marks on the cylinder so the timing could stand some attention.

  • @SuperMarshall2009
    @SuperMarshall2009 11 років тому

    Thanks Mike - Another fine story and experience. keep them coming.

  • @modelmaker7847
    @modelmaker7847 10 років тому +3

    I adore your videos Mister Beliveau, one see weapons there that we rarely have the opportunity to see here in France. Furthermore, being I the same shooter in the black powder, I have to admit that you are really a " fine trigger ". The bad boys have that has well to be held.

  • @HughesEnterprises
    @HughesEnterprises 8 років тому +1

    My only experience with Armi San Marco was with a matched pair of third model dragoons. Both sheared the caps of the cylinder base pins off after 10-12 rounds of light 25grain FFF and a .454 round ball.

  • @Barrybristle
    @Barrybristle 9 років тому +2

    Inspired by your Mk 1, I recently bought the model (in 38 Spl.) now produced by Uberti, which has the simple bolt on ejector rod assembly and the firing pin/rear sight integral with the hammer. It's a fine revolver but the close fit of the ejector assembly to the barrel, raised slightly to clear the barrel locking peg, does mean that the ejector rod does not automatically line up with the cylinder on half-cock. It does line up on full cock or when the hammer is at rest. So far, Uberti have not offered an explanation. Ejection is possible but the cylinder has to be carefully rotated until the rod lines up which is too fiddly a procedure.

  • @alursino3213
    @alursino3213 8 років тому +1

    Thanks for the clarification.

  • @jginsc
    @jginsc 11 років тому +1

    Terrific video, as usual.

  • @andycook1200
    @andycook1200 6 років тому +2

    Every time I see this video I want one of these!

  • @waynelkohrjr.8557
    @waynelkohrjr.8557 4 роки тому +2

    Dude you make it look
    Easy lots of
    Practice.

  • @JWheeler331
    @JWheeler331 3 роки тому

    Excellent shooting.

  • @hawkenrifles
    @hawkenrifles 9 років тому +2

    I like your videos a lot. They are very instructive. I hope you do one shooting with a Hawken rifle, original, or a replica such as Pedersoli or Traditions. Greetings and Happy New Year.

  • @cleoshepardchou
    @cleoshepardchou 11 років тому

    Many of the late production Armi San Marco (ASM) 1860 Conversions had problems with improperly treated internal parts, notably the hand and the cylinder stop (bolt). When finding a used ASM, check timing, often these two parts may need replacing.When properly treated parts are placed, the ASM becomes a fine gun.

  • @KSFWG
    @KSFWG 11 років тому +1

    Another great video! Thanks!

  • @mikerussell6212
    @mikerussell6212 5 років тому +3

    I would like to see a video on how to convert one of these maybe soon?

    • @mikerussell6212
      @mikerussell6212 4 роки тому +4

      Just finished converting one it was a job harder to do on a 90 s made 1860 u have to fit everything

  • @lyleinmb
    @lyleinmb 11 років тому

    WOW! Really enjoyed it. Nice shooter.

  • @annelmanson
    @annelmanson 11 років тому +1

    always a pleasure to watch your vignettes.what year did Armi San Marcos go belly up?is anyone still hadlig parts for them?cheers.pgm.

  • @coffmanlove2020
    @coffmanlove2020 3 роки тому

    Beautiful gun

  • @1guyin10
    @1guyin10 11 років тому

    That's a nice piece. I can see why you sent them a check instead of the gun back.

  • @parallel-knight
    @parallel-knight 2 роки тому

    so beautiful

  • @tsmgguy
    @tsmgguy 7 років тому +1

    Compliments for using full power loads.

  • @stevecoffman1576
    @stevecoffman1576 11 років тому

    Very cool Mike. I gonna get one.

  • @bowlofrice8
    @bowlofrice8 6 років тому

    What conversion cylinders or even replacement cylinders will work on these? I have two old ASM revolvers a 63 and a 51 sheriff and they both have some issues. The 51 will chain fire without grease and .375 balls can be pushed in by thumb and neither cci nor Remington caps will stay on the nipples. The 63 over rotates but that's not as big of a deal to fix.

  • @WhiteGuyTyrone
    @WhiteGuyTyrone 11 місяців тому +1

    I have a chance to buy one of these guns. It is chambered .44 Colt. Will I have to become a reloader to shoot it, or is there another cartridge like a .44 special that can be shot in this gun?

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  11 місяців тому +1

      Black Hills sells .44 Colt ammo

    • @WhiteGuyTyrone
      @WhiteGuyTyrone 11 місяців тому +1

      @@duelist1954 Thank you

  • @ValMartinIreland
    @ValMartinIreland 9 років тому

    Hi Mike. How did the smaller diameter rear part of the cylinder accommodate the cartridge case?

  • @thecowboyprepper
    @thecowboyprepper 11 років тому

    Dear sir; I have long been reading guns of the old west magazine. I have a question though. for a uberti 7 1/2 inch barrel with a 225 grain winchester silvertip load what is the penetration at 2-3 feet as a hypothetical shot as the head shot in the Kevin Costner film Open Range but with a modern load say for an authentic self defense weapon. Sincerly Lance D. Lewis

  • @williamclark755
    @williamclark755 11 років тому +2

    What loads are you using? Beautiful revolver!

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  11 років тому +3

      23 grains of 3Fg Goex under my cast, 200-grain Mav Dutchman bullets

  • @Prowbar
    @Prowbar 7 років тому

    I never understood why the frame mounted firing pin wasn't used on the Single Action Army.

  • @HoundsAndHawks
    @HoundsAndHawks 10 років тому

    Hey mike. Love the videos. And I don't mean to deviate from the topic of this one but I have a question I'd like to present to your expert opinion. I'm about to buy my first colt c&b and I keep hearing negative things about piettas "brass" framed colt reproductions. I was leaning toward a pietta navy in .44 with a 51/2 inch barrel? Any thoughts or suggestions for or against this purchase? Thank u in advance for your help and thanks for the videos.
    Derek

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  10 років тому +1

      I would strongly recommend that you avoid brass-framed guns. The frames will stretch, making the gun useless.

  • @brandonmaloney9758
    @brandonmaloney9758 11 років тому

    very cool

  • @SergeiMosin
    @SergeiMosin 9 років тому

    I'm thinking of purchasing one of the newer Uberti made (Cimarron imported) examples... but I'd like your opinion as to whether or not the gun is strong enough to handle the 38 special cartridge they chambered it in. I know the .45lc in a cowboy load is fine but can these old designs really stand up to the pressures of modern smokeless cartridges?

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  9 років тому

      Yes. .38 Spl is no problem for this design

    • @pommel47
      @pommel47 8 років тому

      +Sergei Mosin Yes they can. To be safe, and still be quite accurate, I would use standard or cowboy loads in the .38. I would not use .38 Spl + P, or hot reloads. I reload .38 HBWC and shoot them with great comfort and accuracy. They are cheaper than factory .22 WMR, .38 Spl, and 9 mm.

  • @twilightshooter4990
    @twilightshooter4990 10 років тому

    I own the Cimarron 1860 transition 2 .38 special 8" barrel ! I love it. I stripped the grip. It has a giant black "V" in the wood grain. Uberti European black walnut is so stunning underneath that red glossy communist cheesy finish. Cimarron "Man With No Name", without the snake is the sexiest best design revolver that Cimarron sells in .38 special. It is about $35 less than the transition 2 model. When I stripped the grip it came out plaid grained curly. I freaked out with Thanks giving ! The open top frames are easier to deal with than the conversions. If I wanted easy , I would buy a Ruger.

  • @lisar3006
    @lisar3006 4 роки тому

    I have been looking for one of these for years Armi San Marcos did it right I wish Uberti would make one too. I guess they are too busy ruining the trigger on their SAA with that new set up for the hammer and trigger. to do it.

  • @chasstark2284
    @chasstark2284 2 роки тому

    hi there i have an ASM 44 black powder revolver which i would like to convert to firing cartridges

  • @linasmagnum
    @linasmagnum 11 років тому

    I like your idea of putting navy grips, but I'd like to know if the grips of Uberti Thunderer would fit to this frame,howbout that Mike?

  • @MsDjessa
    @MsDjessa 9 років тому +2

    Is this loaded in similar fashion as SAA? One chamber empty to rest the hammer against?

    • @benbilbrey749
      @benbilbrey749 6 років тому +1

      MsDjessa Yes it is. Old comment but I thought I would answer it.

  • @grahamparr3933
    @grahamparr3933 3 роки тому

    Have you had firearms training or self taught? Good shot👍 also what firearm do you use for home defence?

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  3 роки тому

      Mostly self-taught. My training was long before the gun handling doctrines in use today.

  • @jeffshootsstuff
    @jeffshootsstuff 11 років тому

    So did they use the original frames with the water table cut away/stepped? If so, were the original cylinders rebated as well?

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  11 років тому

      Hi Jeff, The answer to both questions is yes.

  • @dougrichards5450
    @dougrichards5450 2 роки тому

    Well who would you get to service an army San Marco conversion type 1 that I really do want to keep

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  2 роки тому

      Tom Sargis, Bozeman Trail Arms

  • @B.Moore-Ready
    @B.Moore-Ready 2 роки тому

    SWEET 👍

  • @sethdonahue3441
    @sethdonahue3441 9 років тому

    I have a question. I am going to buy the Richards Russian conversion (Cimarron) 44 Cal 5.5 barrow, . I have a extra 8 inch Uberti barrow from a 1860 percussion. will the loading rod from the (Richards Russian conversion (Cimarron) 44cal), fit in the 8 inch barrow loading slot of the uberti 1860 percussion, so I can switch barrows ? Seth

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  9 років тому

      seth donahue No. The dimensions are different

  • @Oldcoinsandstuff1
    @Oldcoinsandstuff1 8 років тому +1

    Can you leave a bp revolver loaded without causing rust.

  • @jebstuart3
    @jebstuart3 11 років тому

    Sir: I have a question...I have an 1860 Army Colt blackpowder percussion revolver (replica) made by Pietta. To shoot it is fun, but when I clean, I like to clean EVERYTHING!! That for me means a total disassemble and re-assemble. That would be fine if it were like the 1858 Remington, but I've found that a total disassembly of the Colt revolver AND ESPECIALLY re-assembly is a nightmare!! (which makes me wonder how it ever got the prominence in history that it has.)Do you have a methodology for total disassembly/re-assembly of the 1860 Army blackpowder revolver??

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  11 років тому

      What specific problem are you having?

    • @jebstuart3
      @jebstuart3 11 років тому

      duelist1954 To be candid, after my first time disassembling to clean and then rte-assembling, I almost didn't get the guts of the pistol grip portion fully put back together and then get everything all lined up @ the same time w/the main body of the gun. Now, it's been a while (@ least a year and a half) since I've shot it again, but I remember having to line up the two screws on both sides of the hammer simultaneously with about two or three other parts (I wish I could be more specific, but it's been awhile). It doesn't sound like you have a lot of trouble with it. I just didn't know if you had a systematic step by step approach that could simplify this process.

    • @chrisroland2275
      @chrisroland2275 6 років тому

      JEB STUART It has been 4 years since you asked your question about putting your Colt replica back together. I hope you have figured it out bu now and not given up on it. The advice I would offer at each step make sure you have each of the screws started before tightening any of them down. And when you put the grip frame back on start with the screw on the bottom first. Turn the screw in about half way. Then line up the top two screw holes and start those screws and turn them in about half way. Then go back to the bottom screw and snug it up, then snug up the top two screws.

  • @trum4n6969
    @trum4n6969 10 років тому

    Mike, what do you think of the Uberti versions of the Richards II in .45 Colt? I've read a lot about cracks in the forcing cones on forums, but most of the posts are a couple of years old. Are these issues still present with more recent revolvers?

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  10 років тому

      They are good guns, but hot loads and hard bullets can crack the forcing cone on open top guns

    • @trum4n6969
      @trum4n6969 10 років тому

      duelist1954 Would it handle full power BP loads? Or would a reduced load (say 25-30 grains) be best? Thanks for the answer!

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  10 років тому

      Trum4n1208 It should be fine with black powder, but soft lead alloy is better for the forcing cone than hard lead like wheel weights

  • @alursino3213
    @alursino3213 8 років тому

    Thanks so much for your educational and entertaining videos. Just getting into the wonderful world of BP revolvers and I've learned so much. I have noticed on another video of yours, the conversion of the 1860 army. I was told not to use a conversion cylinder on a brass frame revolver. Am I mistaken or did I see you use a conversion cylinder on your brass frame? Thanks in advance for your reply.

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  8 років тому +1

      Alan Ursino nope...not me. Brass frames can't handle cartridges

  • @jebstuart3
    @jebstuart3 11 років тому

    Sir: One more question...I can shoot my 1858 Remington pretty consistently, putting a lead ball in the same spot virtually everytime, but w/my 1860 Army Colt (replica made by Pietta), I've messed around w/different loads and I couldn't put a shot in the same place twice in a row if my life depended on it!! (Thank God I don't live in the mid to late 1800's eh?). What loads/powder charge do you use for your 1860 Army Colt?? Do you use wads??

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  11 років тому

      I have not experienced those problems with my 1860s

  • @carminetocco9334
    @carminetocco9334 9 місяців тому

    Hi Dulest: I have a new Pietta 1860 Snub nose in .36 cal but can't find a conversion cylinder, do you know where I can get one ?

  • @johnsaia9739
    @johnsaia9739 10 років тому

    Nice video, I think Uberti makes one of these now and they are imported by Taylors and Co. and Cimmarron.

    • @JMunn55
      @JMunn55 9 років тому

      Yes they do but I don't think they make this early model with the percussion barrel underlug

    • @johnsaia9739
      @johnsaia9739 9 років тому +1

      There is one called "The Man with No Name" that Cimarron that has the percussion era lug and rammer.

    • @JMunn55
      @JMunn55 9 років тому

      Really? I'll look into that. I want an early model conversion, although it seems the vast majority of them are Richards-Mason. The Man With No Name is Clint Eastwood's character in the "Dollars" trilogy,

    • @johnsaia9739
      @johnsaia9739 9 років тому

      Yes, and they make a gun that is a fantasy gun used in that movie.

    • @JMunn55
      @JMunn55 9 років тому

      I looked at it, yeah, you're right. But there's no ejector, how would that work?

  • @sethdonahue3441
    @sethdonahue3441 7 років тому

    i have the same ASM conversion in 44 colt , would or should non black powder cowboy loads be shoot with this revolver ? or should i only reload with black powder? thanks seth.

    • @Acekiller1995
      @Acekiller1995 6 років тому

      It will take "cowboy load" smokeless loads

  • @akman45304
    @akman45304 10 років тому

    I have pretty much the same gun except it's in .38 special. How is the trigger in yours?

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  10 років тому

      It has a 2 lb trigger pull.

    • @yourredcomrade717
      @yourredcomrade717 10 років тому

      duelist1954 ive always wanted this replica, but i want to be able to shoot normal fmj 38 loads. some people say its fine, some people are too afraid to try. whats your opinion. not magnum loads or +p. just standard smokeless off the shelf ammunition.

  • @Guy_GuyGuy
    @Guy_GuyGuy 11 років тому

    Since it already has a spring-loaded firing pin, I wonder if it would be possible for manufacturers to make them with a transfer bar safety à la Ruger?
    Not to say that wouldn't be an abomination, because it absolutely would be.

  • @kurtisroberts9375
    @kurtisroberts9375 2 роки тому

    is it cheaper to convert them later?

  • @dahartman88
    @dahartman88 11 років тому +2

    Will vartridge conversion work on the buffalo bp revolver

  • @WhiskeyRiverRifleman
    @WhiskeyRiverRifleman 11 років тому

    Mike, do you ever worry about shooting these old guns with no top strap?

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  11 років тому +3

      No. They are very safe with their intended loads

  • @hisfaith
    @hisfaith 8 років тому

    can one of the conversion kits be used on the Armi San Paolo Lyman 1851 colt remake?

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  8 років тому

      I would guess not. The ASP guns are dimensionally different...smaller usually.

    • @hisfaith
      @hisfaith 8 років тому

      O well...guess it wasn't meant to be. Thanks

  • @moto_rad
    @moto_rad 9 років тому

    So what drawback is there to this as to why the SAA was deemed an improvement and created?

    • @Muskrat123
      @Muskrat123 8 років тому +1

      +Moto Rad Cartridge conversions get the job done, but from what I've handled they're clumsy in comparison to the SAA. The timing is not always right and the balance is totally off.

    • @pommel47
      @pommel47 8 років тому

      +Moto Rad A solid frame revolver like the 1873 Colt or 1858 and 1875 Remington is stronger than an opentop.

    • @moto_rad
      @moto_rad 8 років тому

      J.L. Roberts That doesn't really provide any advantage until we get to magnum chamberings.

    • @forge52100
      @forge52100 8 років тому +1

      +Moto Rad The army wanted a 45 cal. inside lubed bullet and that won't fit in a 60's cylinder unless it's a five shot. They also wanted a top strap. The 72 open top in 44 Henry was a great idea, but the army rejected it because it didn't have a top strap and wanted 45. The biggest issue of the conversions over the 73 SAA is that the conversions were a bit more delicate than the 73, and were a stop gap measure. The Conversions also didn't have a gas ring and the 72 and 73 did which allowed for a lot more shots before fouling became an issue.

  • @MrAndrewstorm1
    @MrAndrewstorm1 10 років тому

    Colts first conventional cartridge revolver? Mike you are wrong......the conventions on firearms nomenclature and manufacture did not come about until 30 yrs later...........with the intro of nitro powder

    • @JMunn55
      @JMunn55 9 років тому

      this is Colt's first real catridge revolver

  • @steveww1507
    @steveww1507 7 років тому

    that gun can shoot . wish I could get one here in mASS but they are not on the approved list . I guess we are not smart enough to handle them

  • @absentmindedadventurer
    @absentmindedadventurer 4 роки тому

    Do you have an image of the other side of the hammer? (the side that strikes the firing pin) I have this model and I think my hammer is missing a piece because there is a hole that just goes over the firing pin.

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  4 роки тому +1

      Casey McGahen you are missing the hammer nose safety. VTI Gunparts May have one. If they don’t you are SOL unless you get one fabricated

    • @absentmindedadventurer
      @absentmindedadventurer 4 роки тому

      @@duelist1954 thank you very much for the info. I will contact them. Fingers crossed they have it. If not then I guess gunsmith time.

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  4 роки тому

      If you can’t find one, I think there’s an easy fix. Drill and tap the hole and thread a bolt into it,

    • @absentmindedadventurer
      @absentmindedadventurer 4 роки тому

      @@duelist1954 well there you go. I can certainly do that. Thank you

    • @absentmindedadventurer
      @absentmindedadventurer 4 роки тому

      Mine is actually a .38 special. Would that make it the 1861 Navy?

  • @stldude987432
    @stldude987432 10 років тому

    I have read warnings to not convert a brass framed pistol. Would doing so just wear out the gun or would people start calling you stubby?

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  10 років тому

      It is hard to say whether you will loose any fingers. You could end up pulling the arbor out of a Colt, or getting a frame rupture on a Remington.

  • @trailduster6bt
    @trailduster6bt 11 років тому

    I believe the armi san marcos shot .44 colt

  • @devinthomas9926
    @devinthomas9926 11 років тому

    hey mike have you heard of a griswold

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  11 років тому

      Sure. I have one assembled out of parts that I'm working on...just need to reconfigure the grip a little.

    • @devinthomas9926
      @devinthomas9926 11 років тому

      will you ever do a video over it because being a proud southerner i kind of want one

  • @edmarmohr3611
    @edmarmohr3611 2 роки тому

    Linda arma👏👏👍👍🇧🇷🇧🇷

  • @MrAndrewstorm1
    @MrAndrewstorm1 10 років тому

    I've heard asm used soft steel is this true?

    • @BrandonLeo3
      @BrandonLeo3 10 років тому

      i had a asm walker that the barrel blew off the center base pin. it was my first time shooting it and i only fired it three times with only 45 grains of blackpowder. i checked it for a chainfire and it was not i still had three rounds left in the gun. also i took the gun apart like a patterson to load so i know there was not any space between the powder and ball. i know i will never purchase another asm!

    • @deandeann1541
      @deandeann1541 5 років тому

      45 grains is higher than the recommended max load; it still should not have come apart with 3f black powder. What powder did you use?

  • @nickanser2937
    @nickanser2937 4 роки тому

    Все эти марки проигрывают Ремингтону из-за незомкнутой рамы !

  • @warrenstevens8406
    @warrenstevens8406 9 років тому

    Hi
    Where can I buy an Armi San Marcos like this one ?

    • @screamingcockatoo
      @screamingcockatoo 9 років тому

      Warren Stevens
      Cherry's guns had a 5 1/5 inch barrel one.

  • @MrAndrewstorm1
    @MrAndrewstorm1 10 років тому +1

    Darn phone

  • @jacobdiejude124
    @jacobdiejude124 4 роки тому

    You look like the munchkin mayor