A Game of Thrones Retrospective
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- Game of Thrones was a show that was once beloved, but it is now despised. I decided to rewatch it and take a deep dive into one of the most infamous shows on tv.
Videos I reference:
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Playlist of Glidus' Pisstake series: • The Game of Thrones Pi...
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Introduction
2:31 - Season 1
45:14 - Season 2
1:19:35 - Season 3
2:15:32 - Season 4
2:54:13 - Season 5
3:40:32 - Season 6
4:41:28 - Season 7
5:27:00 - Season 8
5:57:48 - Conclusion - Фільми й анімація
“He will kill you in an instant for that Targussy” is not a sentence I ever expected to hear 💀
Shit you not I've thought about that line for 3 days
I didn’t expect to hear „slavery overhated“
@@bobathicc5689😊
That was literally the most embarrassing and unfunniest thing I have ever heard.
love that line, incredible kek
I never realized how funny hearing Arya say “I know a killer when I see one” in regards to Daenerys torching an entire city was until now. It has the same energy of someone entering a news station on 9/11 going “As an empath, I can tell that people are feeling very upset right now”
Enjoyed this until he started on about the later seasons. Yawn. Now it’s just every other GOT video. And dude got a lot of his facts wrong.
@@keithdeal209 yeah, the GOT Season 8 hate train is an over saturated market, if you’re a fan of ASOIAF though there’s still a lot of content out there! It’s really just about finding all of the weird niche stuff at this point
@@casualsatanistnah season 8 was just straight trash
@@keithdeal209that’s because there’s nothing good to say about those seasons
@@casualsatanist there are so many good asoiaf/ fantasy youtubers, it's nice to know there are other people who are overly obsessed with asoiaf
Something that I really hated was how D&D made Sansa’s character arc be about having all her kindness removed. I’m King’s Landing she didn’t learn not to be kind, but who deserved it. She also learned to feign loyalty around enemies and yet she’s incredibly antagonistic towards daenarys. Sansa still being capable of kindness and empathy after everything she went through wouldn’t have made her weak. I really hated what they did with her character
yeah in the books it seems like the more she suffers the more she understands about other people and starts to show real compassion beyond her usual politeness. that says something important about her character and contrasts nicely with cersei. the fact they made her cersei 2.0 was so disappointing. like sansa thinks she never wants to rule with fear like the queen. she was meant to learn from littlefinger and then surpass him, but not by being even worse than him. god they fucked up her story so bad. i can't think about this for more than 5 seconds or i will lose it lol
They screwed her character to the post!
They honestly handled all of these great characters with the same amount of incompetence. Not one was left untouched. No meaningful resolutions which completely slaps the viewer in the face for ever having invested interest in these arcs. What one walks away with is frustration, dissatisfaction and ultimately a resentment of something which was once held in high regard.
@@crypticscrutiny1153 agreed. i think they fundamentally did not understand the characters or their greater thematic purpose. but then again, themes are for eighth grade book reports
@@juljul184 I will never forgive whichever one of those two actually said that quote. What a pompous thing to say: an insult to GRRM whose work is actually filled from cover to cover with themes, and to everyone who's ever been in the business of storytelling. What infuriates me even more is when I see people trying to rationalize and defend the writing in the final seasons. Like, seriously, no one is truly upset because they didn't get the fairy tale ending they wanted. I am upset because the ending was written as if the whole entire thing that preceded it didn't matter. . . exactly because it was written by someone who had no regard of themes. That's just not how stories work.
It's so weird to me how D&D decided to rush through the series in the last few seasons because they were in talks to possibly work on a Star Wars project.
They HAD something good in hand but squandered it for something that wasn't even confirmed-- and ultimately got dropped.
People are quick to blame GRRM for not finishing the books, but D&D consciously dropped entire plotlines that could have given them more padding to work with, like Young Griff. Hell, they totally forgot to flesh out storylines they HAD in the show, such as Dorne. A personal disappointment was how they completely screwed up Euron Greyjoy.
If George cared about the TV show as much as he claims, he would have allowed D&D to end their run before crossing the finish line. Instead he made it stay in the hands of two men who openly didn't care anymore & admitted they had burnout & wanted to move on.
I understand that was the initial agreement, they start it, they finish it but nobody expected it to turn into the insanely huge thing it did. And George had believed he would be finished writing the books (lol) by then. They had a great team of writers together, the people who know the characters & world inside out. People even George adores & continued to work closely with on HOD. Had he allowed D&D to pass the torch on to those who had proven their talent & dedication at that point, we could have got a much better final product. We would have got the ten originally outlined & everything would have made more sense without having to rush through to the end.
It's always a mistake to force people to continue doing something they have long lost passion & care for. Especially when you haven't produced any of your own work in that subject, who knows better than George that forcing creativity doesn't work out well for anyone.
@@Kat-lt6qd I don't think george had the power to remove the two showrunners despite him owning the series as a whole, the show is essentially owned by hbo and D&D, the only to get rid of them was if they decided to quit or if hbo decided to replace them
@@jayne8492yes exactly. i always see people saying grrm should have just fired d and d but he does not have that type of power within the show since hbo owns it
Agreed. There was so much material already established and it all ended up for nothing. All the lore and reveals could have kept this show going for years. Such a shame
HBO even offered a couple more seasons for them to finish off the series and they chose like 7 episodes.
this dude probably spent months to do this project and it has 203 views. Hope this goes viral bro this is a crazy amount of hard work and energy. Really nice analysis, editing and effort put into this.
It’s got 3.5k now, and our comments might help bump it a bit in the algorithm..
I think it's going viral. Just showed up in my feed.
Honestly, I briefly considered the possibility this entire video was stolen from somewhere else (which I sincerely hope isn't the case). This video seems to have a remarkably high quality for so few views. And the channel has an incredibly low number of subscribers if this is an example of its typical offerings.
I can confirm it's viral now and this comment is there to help. This guy is amazing
It’s a long in depth video 🎉. Liked. And subscribed. 👍👍👍
I did miss the creepy vibe the early seasons had. I wish the incorporated more eldritch shit with Euron when he came
All they incorporated with Euron was horseshit
Euron is one of the best characters. One of the strongest parts of Martin's writing is his ability to make people purely evil yet still with captivating backstories and motivations. Them cutting Euron out and turning him into some horny himbo that is more cheesy than creepy is the moment I knew these showrunners had no idea what they were doing with the show in the later season.
I remember hearing somewhere that the directors chose to water down and in some instances omit the magical aspects from the books because they thought of their main demographic being "people who like to watch football", so they wouldn't be into the fantastical aspects of the story. No idea why they pointed out football specifically but they did a disservice to their actual viewers.
@@Ro-ts1ce by "football" you mean american football or soccer?
@@domisPL_01 the directors are american so i’m guessing american
Just want to say the Freys aren't incestuous, they might be gross but Walder never marries any of his children or grandchildren.
Got him mixed up with craster
Wait doesn’t he marry his daughters or granddaughters? Idk it’s been a minute since I read the books
@@bootlegms8348 no that’s craster
@@fazediamond5671 whos daughters does Walder keep marrying?
@@bootlegms8348 no one just randoms
"Hey, can you come into work today?"
"Sorry I'm busy," I say as I sit in bed, 3 hours into a 6 hour long video of a Game of Thrones retrospective.
Loving the video so far, my only thing is that the Frey's weren't an incest family. He had like 4 wives that all died and kept remarrying into new families. The whole Frey succession issue is a major plot point due to how many branches of families the Frey's have due to how many kids he had with all those wives. Craster was the incest guy who married his own daughters, but he's in Jon's storyline.
If I'm remembering correctly, in the books, Lord Frey is on his seventh wife. Frey is weird because he's like 70 and still marrying and having more children.
Now Craster? He's the one the FBI want.
@@warfarein it could definitely be closer to 7 lol. I know it was a lot and he WAS gross choosing basically the youngest he could
I was wondering if I'd misremembered that.
@@jjgandthatsenough It's not like there haven't been, oh, six major inheritance fights just in the (previous) ruling House, one of which would have happened when Walder Frey was already in his forties.
@@warfarein dont think Frey cares lmao. He just wants to shag and be creepy and if he dies the estate is someone else's problem.
I did not expect to hear “not all slavers are bad” and “some American slaves liked being enslaved” in the middle of a 6 hour long Game of Thrones retrospective.
Both are also factually true statements.
@@blockyorbits2376 no
@@mischr13 yes
I understand what you're saying.. when a person is enslaved they can get Stockholm syndrome. It's really messed up but it's like being institutionalized in prison or a psych ward. Most people just accept their new life and if they're in long enough they just get used to the day to day. After that individual is released they have no idea how to function in the new world. It's really messed up but happens every single day. I've had many friends and family members that can't function in today's world. Some but not most actually preferred having that schedule. Three hots and a cot etc...
When reading "12 years a slave" you see an example of a _good_ person and a bad person having slaves. Obviously slavery is HORRIBLE, but surely there were some worst than others
I absolutely fuckin love it when UA-cam recommends me a masterpiece video from a smaller creator!!! This is sooo good and your little comments and tangents are legitimately funny as hell
I think you have missunderstod the Frey's, they are not incestious. But Walder Frey has had 8 different wifes from different houses and has had many children with each of them, resulting in many offspring related to small and big houses all over Westeros. Making house Frey intertwined with all the factions of westeros especially the Riverlands, Westerland, the Vale and the Crownlands. Walder Frey is a very ambitious and by intermarrying into other houses he makes sure no matter who becomes king his familiy ends up in the winning team.
Marrying his own daughters like Craster would result in the opposite outcome he works for, making his house alone and isolationist, the Frey's are nothing but upjumped tollkeepers who happened to lord over a important rivercrossing. The Tully's recognize this and that is why Catelyn is always are suspicious of Walder Frey.
I wished they didn't cut Bran's POV chapters in the books. The world building and introducing all the Stark vassals in ACOK is very important in showing the potential of Bran as a ruler. People were laughing when Jojen died because the Reeds were poorly developed. Also, the horror of Bran's journey north with Cold hands, cannibalism, jojen paste, all are quite chilling.
I thought the Reeds were decently developed it's just the way Jojen's death was filmed was comical. He was just laying on his back chilling as if he was laying on the couch Watching Bran and his sister fight and just stares at her dead in the eye as he gets stabbed repeatedly. Doesn't even try to fight off the wight he just lays back as if he's completely fine getting stabbed. And once he died his sister really just becomes a tool to carry bran around and then immediately becomes pointless once they make it back to the wall
@@american1207nah the show basically cuts the reeds and the neck. Howland is one of the most important living characters, and the neck is one of the most important places. It’s where Jon and Cat are gunna meet back up in the book (mark my words). So that Howland can reveal all the fun bits.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116Howland doesn't even appear in the books besides memorys .
@@sidnew2739Spoilers!!
He’s the only living witness to Jon’s birth and the knowledge he’s the true heir to the Targaryen dynasty, except for Bran who’s all “i see all time all at the same time”. So… yeah pretty important character.
The slavery apologetics kind of came out of no where huh
yeah like…what was that 💀
When does he say it
yeah major whiplash
During the season 4 recap when talking about Danny and the slavers
I'm glad I'm not the only one who get whiplash from it. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he was just very bad at communicating the economic impact but damn that was weird.
YES!!!! I just started this but I’m honestly just excited to have 6 hours of someone talking about game of thrones, i feel like season 8 killed it for most people but the world GRRM created will stick with me forever I can’t get enough of it
Agree 100%
Me too. This show impacted me so much, I can’t just forget about it because of its ending.
That slavery take was fucking wild 🤣
This video showing up in my recommended was a blessing. As a fan of long retrospectives, and an avid ASOIAF fan, this is just perfect!
Yikes, the "both sides" take for the slavery sub-plot in season 4 is so cringe. In the example given, the tutor that wants to return to slavery because he had it good doesn't mean that slavery shouldn't be abolished; he is the equivalent to a "house slave" who is treated better than the "field slaves" and just because he likes the status quo doesn't negate all the farmers and cleaners and other manual laborers that have to break their backs to uphold a cruel system. Also, there is no such thing as a "nice" slaver, they are still a slaver.
Right i was thinking the same. You can't claim to be nice to your slaves. That's a paradox given that you own people in the first place.
Also any record of a slave claiming to like their treatment is unreliable given that the people who own them could do everything they did to the greyjoy boy and murder them and no one on earth would care other then the wife of the slaver who's only upset cause she has one less slave to make her tea in the morning, but quickly gets over that when she remember that every baby born by one of her slaves is automatic free labor. Horrible take and move to urge others to seek out said take.
"Wait no no listen they may *own* people but it had actual nuance you see not all of them brutally beat them, they just owned and overworked them. So much better!"
That was a big yikes and that section of the video immediately earned an unsub. It was eerily reminiscent of lost cause myths. Slavery was never morally just or right, the institution has been opposed throughout all time. The only people who actually upheld it were those it conveniently benefitted.
It was gross and ignorant. Especially the attempted dig at Lincoln- who, although not perfect- still ended the institution of slavery in the United States and waged a bloody war to free them. One of the only reasons reconstruction was a problem was 1.) Because of former slave owners, and 2.) Because Lincoln was shot through the head before it could continue. It was horribly out of place, in bad taste, and cringe-inducing.
And yeah, the Season 4 subplot was cringe. The issue shouldn't have been "Slavery good kinda", it should have been "Don't be a blind zealot and realize some work needs to be done after you do your thing".
@@sanemaniakmind "That's a paradox given that you own people in the first place." This had me dead. It's true, of course, it's just weird that we're in 2023 and this needs to be said lol.
@@amelancholybear1534 I'm saying. Like y are we going backwards
@@sanemaniakmind RIght? Like this is easily researchable stuff. You'd imagine in a six-hour video that some thought would go into the part about Slavery. You know, common sense and all.
It was so weird seeing this in a GOT video too, like literally the last place I'd expect it to be in.
I didn't mind the changes for Dany in S2 at first. I now believe these are some of the most fundamentally grievous changes made to Dany and why so many folks mistakenly think Dany's final twist made sense.
In the show, Dany is presented as a naive child who is quick to throw tantrums and slow to learn how much danger she's in. Book Dany is far more patient, wise, and aware. She knows the political strength of having dragons and is slow to trust. At one point she cleverly puts off Daxos's advances by saying if she has the only dragons in the world and is to trade one for ships, then it makes sense that she be paid with 1/3 of the world's ships. The showrunners possibly read this outrageous demand and decided Dany is just unreasonable.
Later seasons that are more book accurate show a bold and clever Dany, one that even her wisest advisers fail to keep up with. To double down on their misrepresentation of Dany, the showrunners started giving many of her great ideas to her male advisors.
Yeah a lot of book Danys tact and humor was removed for sure.
But make no mistake, Dany wasn’t the only character from the books that had a butchered show adaptation.
Watching show Euron was nothing but constant pain.
But I think Dany being wiser does not make that much sense. She is basically a child even if she had to grow up early I dont think she would become that calmer and wiser. I dont say her turn is fully earned at the end of the show but I did not mind that change.
@@czoborarpi did you read the books and still feel this way? Either way I'm not trying to change your mind.
For me, the books--especially as the series moves on--dig deep into what it takes to be an effective leader. What are the consequence of being a brutal leader vs a benevolent one? And this is explored from the perspective of many characters in unique political situations. Dany's story in the books is very interesting to me cause she's grappling with the moral impact of her decisions. She knows she can be a dragon queen conquer and dictator, but she chooses a harder road that involves what she believes is justice. I enjoyed seeing her wrestle with those feelings internally. And her councilors were constantly urging her towards brutal solutions because of their effectiveness at maintaining or growing power. Her pushing back against that advice, to me, made her more empathetic in the books. Her wisdom derives from listening to others and life experience. Sometimes she isn't wise, just kind. It gets her into trouble but also inspires people.
In the show, I feel it's flipped where all her advisors are trying to pull her away from brutality, but they ironically think she's the most worthy person for ruling. Why do they think that if she's always shown signs of brutality and madness?
For me, I find the show's Dany to be one dimensional and her story self contradictory. But, once again, if you don't feel that--totally fair.
@@zacharyjohnson1193 yes I agree with you that later on the road Danys motives and inner conflicts are more interesting in the books. All I wanted to say is during her time in Quarth she was a bit more complex for me that I would have liked given her earlier situations.
Yup, they're famous for taking agency away from female characters. It's weird why they do this.
Selys? Celise? Stannis’s wife’s reaction to Shereen is a fucking gut punch because she never truly hates Shereen herself she hated what Shereen seemed to represent about herself. She had failed to give Stannis a male heir and when she does produce a daughter, she gets Greyskin. So while hardened to her and almost disgusted by her, she didn’t HATE her I don’t think. So hearing the pleading of her only daughter as she burns alive because of her mothers belief, it breaks her. This show has some of the most amazing moments in isolation.
Book stannis would never
I'm ngl I died laughing when it suddenly cut to her just dangling from the tree. Stannis's whole story just felt like a stale piece of bread. Shereen was the only interesting character around him.
@@american1207 Read the bookand you will see what the true king is all about.Not that poor excuse for a king in the show.
the Red Wedding is still one of the most shocking things I've ever seen in TV😭
I genuinely despise that so many people think Dany going from being assaulted by Khal Drogo to falling for him is a good plot line. That’s more fantasy then the dragons. And to be honest, it’s disturbing how many people view this as realistic human behavior. If her “falling in love” with him was setting up deeper psychological trauma she would have down the road, then we could maybe talk.
In the books it's depicted very differently than the show. In the book Dany is 13 and expresses her expectations that she will be raped on her wedding night since she has really known only abuse by men in her life i.e. her brother. However, much to her surprise, Drogo is actually very gentle and considerate with her. He touches her to arouse her, but doesn't actually have sex with her until she consents and initiates it herself.
I would assume that they portrayed it the way they did in the show to make you feel for her and make her more empathetic when you learn to hate her brother right away. While yes technically it is rape, and that's certainly not okay, I think it was more of a difference in culture. The Dothraki don't have a word for thank you, in the books it's mentioned that while they worship their horses they don't name them. You're dealing with a society with a very different emotional mindset and sense of right and wrong. I think the fact that Dany was able to "tame him" speaks to the idea that he wasn't really a "savage" when it came to her, it's just all he knew to that point. The part that annoys me is later on when she gives the "belief in myself speech". She obviously grew to love Drogo and he was eventually very good and caring towards her, yet she still says "I've been raped...", when at the time it was happening, she didn't seem to view it that way. If she viewed it as rape, I don't think she would have been seeking out help on how to please Drogo better. To us it may have been rape, but like you said, her behavior as a result wasn't that of someone who was raped. Then she refers to it as rape, then speaks lovingly about him again to Sansa at winterfell.
Loved the video, but at the risk of being downvoted, I have to disagree with your commentary on American slavery and its comparison to Essos.
Slavery has existed for centuries in different structures, the longest of which was exhibited by Middle Eastern and African societies at the time, however this form of slavery was viewed as being more akin to indentured servitude.
This wasn't the case for American slavery. I understand that there were hundreds if not thousands of slaves that did experience a stable safe livelihood with their masters, but to say that the situation is remotely as nuanced as what GRRM depicts in the books doesn't seem to be accurate to me.
Slaves in America were routinely brutalized, raped, and stripped of their bodies physically and mentally to serve their masters. I'm not saying the same thing didn't happen in the books, but I do believe that there is a significant difference and a better comparison would be to connect the books to slavery that was implemented in the Middle east centuries before the slave trade erupted in Europe.
Unfortunately Middle Eastern was the most brutal, even surpassing american and asian, Middle Eastern slavery was horrific not only because of its savagery (Mandatory castration, mass starvation, and other horrors), but also because it persisted so long. Journalist John Laffin witnessed a slave auction he attended in 1956 in Djibouti, to which Arab slavers had brought black captives. Dealers from Arabia bought them for the slave markets of Jedda and Medina, Black slaves continued to be imported into the Arabian Peninsula into the 1970s, since slavery remained legal until then in the Sultanates of Muscat and Oman.
Calling stanis the antagonist of season 3 is wild i was routing for him on my first watch and book lol
Same. I loved his character until he burned his daughter.
There's no such thing as a "good slaver."
This.
Great video. In depth. Decent takes, but that was the thing that threw me off. Like having a normal conversation with someone about GoT and then suddenly "Some Slaves were happy in **chattel** slavery"
Lincoln didn't free the slaves out of good-heartedness. However, it's easier to believe an enslaved person was regurgitating predetermined talking points, a victim of brainwashing, or spitting pro slavery propaganda rather than being happy as property inside chattel slavery.
Like literally the whole idea of the word "slave" is that it's against their will lol.
Is there such a thing as a bad slaver? If you said yes, then implicitly a good slaver can exist as well. Not trying to be a nuisance, just pointing out incorrect logic.
@maxwellwhite5762 I wouldn't describe someone as a "bad slaver" because the "bad" is inherent. Just pointing out your flawed logic.
@@tyeshiar1867I can see you missed the whole point of my comment. That’s okay. I’m just trying to point out that people lose all sense of logic when they discuss socially charged topics like slavery, people like you. Just because slavers were giant pieces of shit doesn’t mean some weren’t objectively better than others in their treatment of the humans they owned. The whole point of the show including this is to display how slaves themselves might feel privileged DESPITE the fact that they are SLAVES simply because they believe that they have it better than others, kind of like that syndrome where you fall in love with your abuser. This is something that has continued to happen throughout REAL history. Obviously, all slavery and slavers is/are BAD. Any decent person already knew that. Refusing to acknowledge any sort of discussion revolving around sensitive topics (by refusing to acknowledge some slavers were nicer than others) makes you seem like an ignorant racist more than some sort of champion of political correctness. So no, my logic wasn’t flawed; yours is. Very clever to take my attempt at deflating any arguments and turn it into a passive-aggressive jibe. I’m both unsurprised and sad that you have skills in social exploitation and not logic, as well as the ignorant bravado to match.
Something that I don't often see mentioned, let alone discussed, is what the outcome would have been if Jon had not returned to Castle Black but had continued to race to join Rob. Rob would have been honourbound to kill Jon. Not doing so would have undermined his character, his cause, and his authority in the eyes of all the North. Doing so would have undermined his psyche and his relationship with his siblings. Jon's initial decision to abandon the Nights Watch is consistent with his love for his family and to some degree his more basic sense of honour, but it is completely inconsistent with his usually careful and deliberate character and his more developed sense of honour. I love that George R R Martin found a way to let him make a Ned-like decision from the heart while also letting him give up on that foolish choice without consequence, making us love him for his willingness to risk everything for family while also solidifying him as a wiser version of Ned who didn't inadvertently destroy his family in the process of trying to protect them.
Genuinely refuse to believe Stannis would ever sacrifice Shireen. Ramsay and his 20 men undermining the best general in Westeros is just ridiculous. One of the worst moments of the show
The mannis will win in the books.
"Lord too fat,ser stupid,the bastars let them all come.We hold the ground and that i mean to turn to our advantage".
He will, it's just not going to be because 20 good men, it will be to fight the others.
Never doubt the power of Ramsays 20 good men
I heard D&D confirmed Shireen's burning was one of the plot points GRRM gave them - I don't think it'll happen in the same way as the show but I do believe it'll be a sacrifice in order for Jon to be revived.
Ramsay had a whole army
The “later I had a fever dream and bron made his way into winterfell unseen” had me in stitches
Sherren’s death is genuinely one of the most heartbreaking in the show. We see this lovely young girl with so much will and compassion slowly be targeted and then eventually sacrificed by the people she loves the most.
I'm no expert, but you say in 56:40 that Jaqen kills for the lord of light, but as far as I'm aware the faceless men don't believe in any specific religion, they believe in the god of death like Syrio Forel did.
yeah that's an error, the faceless men have a different god than the priests of rhllor
If anything the Faceless worship what the red priests & priestesses would call The Enemy.
I'm re-reading the books and even 5 chapters in there is so much depth to the characters. Like Jon, who did attend the feast but was regulated to the back by Cat who didn't think it proper that he sit up top with them. Even Benjin remarks asking Jon why he isn't in his usual spot with the family. And Jon's casualness about it all but at the end of the chapter seeing him get so worked up that he eventually has to flee the hall before running into Tyrion outside. Cats first POV, pushing Ned to go south when he clearly doesn't want to and only agrees after the letter. Then Ned saying he's going to take the kids and Cat suddenly realising what she's done, and her whole thought process on Jon. And the beginnings of showing Ned's protectiveness over Jon where Cat just wants him gone. Ned wants to keep him close but knows he can't go to the capital so reluctantly agrees that he can go to the wall with his uncle. Also, I remembered why I didn't like Cat. The way she comes across at the start is... 👀
I feel like you’re looking at this all wrong. Jon has a legitimate claim even as a bastard. Ned favours him, he’s generally loved by the people.
Jon is a threat to her and her children and the more he’s acknowledged as the same as the other heirs the greater the threat. And even if you don’t think Jon could ever crave power or be used to take the north even his children could be a threat. Not including him isn’t just being mean it’s keeping her kids rank higher.
Also imagine your spouse wanting to parade around their affair baby 😬 Personally I think Cat has the patience of a saint putting up with all of that.
All of this is because Ned was a f**kin nerd and valued his promises and “honor” above everything. Including his marriage and the good of the entire continent.
@@fleacythesheepgirlCat is the reason everything escalated. Her made up letter from her sister is the catalyst for Ned not refusing Robert, setting the chain of events that caused her death and the deaths of most of her family.
Typical lol the most selfish character of the series is upheld as a saint for some reason
@@fleacythesheepgirlWhy does it even matter if he has another mother? He’s 50% her husband‘s genes, whom she loves.. so why doesn’t she love Jon? It‘s not his fault Ned had an affair. Jon should be treated the same as her children. I couldn’t stand her cause her way of looking at things is very selfish.
was the use of the r slur 3:05:37 rlly necessary
Not sure if im misremembering, but in regards to Ray (Ian Mcshane's character, around 4:04:00), i was under the impression that he was the one who found and nursed the hound back to health, not that they were just meeting for the first time, i always assumed it had been a relationship at least a few months old. Again may be misremembering, but i swore he explicitly said he found him dying after arya left.
but i do agree there would be more impact if there was more time spent on the scenario - also i had no clue who the guy who came and attacked was, didn't know he was brotherhood, that definitely wasn't explained well.
Same here, I believe you’re correct.
I wonder why they even added him or that 5 minute revenge plot with the hound. So underdeveloped, it just felt like a waste of time. Why not just start him out already with the brotherhood. What's the point of introducing a bunch of characters and 2 plots only to kill them off 3 minutes later
This video (the three hours I watched of it at least) has inaccuracies all over the place.
Bro you've mistaken Walder Frey for Craster the wildling. I had to verify myself and I've just done so, Frey's wife is young - that's as far as his vices go (he's outlived his 7 other wives - he's not a polygamist).
Walder Frey is said to have the caution of an old man and the ambition of a young man.
Omg thanks for a second there I was shocked like how the fuck did I miss that???
he slept with & married his cousins though. looked it up on google just to make sure because i thought he was having relations with his daughters as well but nope, just cousins and lots of wives
This is the dude that had a random "slavery was good" rant in the middle of the video. I wouldn't expect him to do a simple google search for this video
Wow, the work put in in this video is crazy. A 6 hour video fully edited and voiced over is amazing insane man
Dany killing the Lannister soldiers is not "something Aerys would do." Aerys would probably just blow them up. Dany did what she did to the slavers, offer them a choice. They chose to stay in their old world, and per her very reasonable terms, they die. Lets not pretend like the show did any proper "foreshadowing" for a mAd QuEeN. Dany was maybe naive, but tried to be just. She just went completely off the rails in The Bells
Bend the knee or die is preety "standard practice" in that world.
GoT had such an impact. I've been looking for a quality retrospective. Thank you for the time and care you put into this.
The amount of quality in this video is amazing. I thought I was watching a long form essay from a huge channel only to look and see this masterpiece is being SEVERELY SLEPT ON. Hope this video goes viral
Hmm...the idea that Dany wanting to break the wheel in season 5 is a red flag for her goal to destroy westeros houses doesn't fit. She gives houses plenty of opportunities to join her cause. Somehow male characters relying on murder and war to exact personal goals is largely accepted and female characters wishing to make the world better by the same mechanisms is considered bad...
This!
Dany's break the wheel speech doesn't even make any sense. It'd make sense for maybe Thoros or Beric to give the speech but not Dany. Tyrion should've just called her out on it. It's literally the same exact wheel but she's walking around saying "Hey guys look it's me breaking the wheel."
@@american1207 Yeah... rewatching the show recently they handled Daenerys quite strangely. She was written as stubborn, childish, and rash--but then had the "wisest heroes" proclaim her most deserving of leadership. So I don't know anymore. I was reading the books while watching the show and got my characterizations mixed. I'm revisiting the books and hoping to untangle the two.
Stop whining about “misogyny” lmao
@@L.D201 I guess when misogyny ends we can step talking talking about it. 🙂
The recommended video with the title “slave owners aren’t bad people” REALLY threw me off the rest of the video was amazing but I have some sneaky suspicions about the creator especially in how he talked about the Jamie scene
you got a few things wrong. like the freys being a family of incest, no where in the show or books lead to that. also jaqen h'ghar doesnt worship that lord of light, he follows the many face god
As a small UA-camr myself, it’s so cool to see a video like this from a small creator take off. I subbed within a minute or so of watching, the amount of work that must’ve gone into this is just mind blowing. I listened while I worked and it was just insane to think that one person sat down and made this. The research, writing, editing, recording, etc. must’ve taken forever. So happy to see this video take off for you and I hope your channel continues to grow! Edit: I really hope you read through your comments and take them into consideration. You should be careful with what UA-cam channels you plug and although I somewhat understand what you /might've/ been trying to say about slavery, slavery was and is always will be bad. Anyone who partook in it was and is part of the problem. Nobody in their right mind would want to be a slave. Also the r word obviously, just not cool. Hope you can mature a little by reading through people's responses.
I know what I’m listening to at work today! I’m excited for this one, and the funny thing is, I’ve already watched this all the way through once before 😭 I love game of thrones so much
Great video! Loved it! Please reconsider you use of the R-word going forward as it’s considered a slur. I’ve been really enjoying your wit throughout, so I’ve no doubt your content would be elevated going forward if you removed it from your vernacular. And again, amazing work. I can’t imagine how much time and effort this must have taken!
Listened to the whole 6 hours whilst working from home - I was hooked. Fantastic video, you just got yourself another subscriber.
Man those first 4 seasons are so amazing, watching this video made me re-realize how sad I was that it ended this badly
Great video, but the frequent use of the R slur is uncomfortable
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I can't stop cracking up everytime you introduce Dave Oceanman
i’m rewatching GOT so my boyfriend can watch it for the very first time. we’re on season three and it is such a joy watching him be shocked and excited and root for people that i know are on the chopping block lol. i’m excited to get a complete new watchers who has no real knowledge of what happens give opinions on the last 2-3 seasons
Alliser Thorne knew about the threat of the WW, Mormont sent him to KL if you recall with the evidence of the wight, but unfortunately the showrunners kinda forgot to add any scene
Thank you for this colossal analysis. It's nice to have everything in one great video to rewatch the series without having to actually rewatch it all.
You deserve much more recognition here on youtube!
What a detailed and amazing video. I am always on the lookout for show retrospectives and this was very fun to watch in my free time the last few days
Was completely by chance I found your video and literally had it on in the background today and finished it, I can’t even begin to think how long this took to do, but can I just say this is absolutely one of the best videos I’ve watched on the platform period, so well put together, and informative. Truly amazing work, got yourself a sub my good sir 🎉❤😊
Just realized one thing, Arya came disguised as that girl that you called Walder’s wife, he did not recognize her as one of his own and said she was too pretty if I recall correctly. That face is one she brought with her, not a Frey at all- probably stolen from the Faceless Men (she did take some faces from them). There are a lot of theories about why “Jaqen” not only lets her get away with stuff, but seems pleased with her. But as you know, in the book Jaqen H’ghar in the show has absorbed multiple House of Black and White characters. So who even knows, sometimes I don’t think the show even has complex reasons for what they do- except they think it will make good tv. But it’s all fun to think about.
This was such a joy to find. It keeps me company for hours. Thank you so much for sharing this with us.
It’s really easy for someone to nitpick a few moments from this retrospective and make a part indicative of the whole. But overall, I think that this is a really nice summary of the series that ties together the early character developments and demonstrates the weak finish to many of the character’s and arcs we fell in love with. Thank you for all your effort and helping me revisit a series that I was heavily invested into.
The alternate names for the high sparrow had me in tears.
Amazing video, can’t imagine the amount of time and effort that went into this. Hope this gets the attention it deserves!
Season 1 is an absolute masterclass of concise storytelling and while the acting throughout the series is good to excellent the veteran hands of Mark Addy and Sean Bean were perfectly steady. "He took her from me and Seven Kingdoms couldn't fill the hole." Chills.
Corny line
GOT season 1-4 still some of the best television imo. its really really sad how badly downhill it went..
Fr man . I always seem to forget GOT ,then find my self watching it years later. I make it to season 5 or 6 then remember the utter horse shit they created towards the end . GOT is the greatest show to ever take a L
No season 1-4 were still bad its just less apparent because the tv show was ruining characters the fandom in generally didn’t care about.
@Elegantwoes now _that's_ an unpopular opinion! I don't recall ever hearing someone say s1-4 of GoT are just as bad as the ending
@@shannonceleste5557 I will take that as an compliment. On the real issue, I wouldn’t say that season 1 was equally bad as season 8, but rather the symptoms were there in the beginning that with each season grew worse till it became a chronic illness. In hindsight we should have known in the first 10 minutes of Season 1 Episode 1 when the dialogue of Ned and Catelyn is so different from the book version that David and Dan had no respect for the book series they were adapting to TV.
Thank you for this!
Fantastic job!
Ps.your quips and criticism for the last few seasons was funny af and so true
I’m sorry but man, if you started this show after season 8 you just can’t understand the depth of disappointment .
I watched end in 23 and had an ok watch till the end after reading the books. I dont see any issue with the end lol. But then i didnt have any expectations.
@@nhvanonerz8244just finished the series yesterday and honestly even if i didn’t have the disappointment of someone who waited years and years it was pretty disappointing nonetheless 😅😅
Stupid take
Great vid, this was my background audio throughout my entire shift today and I gotta say I thoroughly enjoyed it, looking forward to more longform content from you
Just wanted to say, the hard work you put into this won't go unnoticed.
The issue of Davos not being upset with Tyrion for murdering his son is so overplayed. Davos is one of the few people who gets how the world works and is not going to judge someone for working in their own self interests. He’s a moral man but he’s not dumb, and killing someone in war falls within his moral compass. I think the way the show handled that particular topic was correct
I think it's more that we never see them even discuss it. The best aspects of this show are when we get to witness the complex interpersonal relationships and how those affect politics and the idea of comradery vs conflict
Taking away these sorts of connections (like how they don't show us sansa and arya learning of Jon's parentage) really just piles on to the lack of substance so prevalent in the later seasons
@@vesi7993 you are absolutely right but Davos in the books and Davos in the show are two fundamentally different characters. His religiosity is his number one motivator in the books and he’s actually quite extreme in his own right whereas that is never mentioned in the show and he seems to be driven by general principles of honor
@@claytonschopfer8467Davos in the books isn't very religious.
What are you talking about?
@@sidnew2739He becomes more religious over time. In his first ASOS chapter he laments not praying enough to the gods.
@@Elegantwoes He never becomes religious in any story-influencing way.
Non Complete list of inaccuracies and mistakes:
Most minor mistakes enough to have no impact, but some do change the context a lot, the latter is what this list consists of.
It's not a dig against the creator, 6 hours is a lot and the books especially are very complex and can be confusing with only 1 read through.
1. 35:47
There is no incest in House Frey. Walder Frey marries young girls yes, but it's never anything like his great grand daughter or something.
2. 56:45
Jaquan worships the 1000 faced God, aka Death. The House of Black and White is a death cult
my eyes lit up when i saw this 6 hour banger, cant wait to watch it all. thank you for your efforts bro
Thanks for this, I adore these long form "essay" videos. You remind me abit of Glidus, and King K
I honestly forgot how good early GoT was. Watching this made me realise why I loved it so much in the first place.
Many thanks for six entertaining hours. Had something to listen during my long walks. :D
I’m so glad UA-cam recommended this video to me! You gave me, a fan of Thrones that refuses to rewatch cuz of seasons 6-8, a great way to revisit the show. Your commentary was EXCELLENT.
I just finished watching the entire thing. It might have taken me three days, but I enjoyed it throughout. Great work!
as someone who didn't watch the show until much later, I didn't even realise it had dragons, people just talked about a medieval politics show with tits.
i just listened to this entire thing during a boring Saturday morning shift at work and it made it 1000x better
thank you sir 🙂🙂🙂🙂
very very very well done!
Never watched GOT but I'll watch this 6h long video on it good work mate! The effort for these videos is unparalleled
Outstanding work, I'm three hours in and just can't stop watching.
This showed up as recommended on my homepage! This is great work. I bet it took a lot of time! Hope more people see it
Absolutely love the content of this video. Maybe learn some new descriptive words.. you’ve called so many things r*****ded im starting to think it’s one of the only words you know 🙃
Tossed this ok while working, felt like I was watching the show. Seen it so many times that it just played in my head. Loved this
I watched this over a few days and found it very enjoyable. Loved the humour and urban speak you put into the narrative. I never fully watched the last season but definitely will now. Keep up the good work 👏
started watching Game of Thrones a few days ago and I'm a little afraid of the last season because I read it's very bad! Is it?
Not just story but my god the dialogue suffered as well. It was utter poetry the way everyone spoke in the early seasons and it took a nose-dive once they ran out of material.
Dude I would have guessed you were a big UA-camr with so many subs for the effort and quality of this video! It was such a joy! Fine dining meal for my brain food! Can’t wait to watch more from you!
6 hours of GoT content!? I've been blessed 🙌🏽🙆🏽♀️
thank you for making this, it's so well made and you deserve to go viral for this one and your other videos man
Awesome video, a lot of hard work. Appreciate it man! I always liked the comparison videos of books and their respective shows. Also, your insights and calm voice make it much better. Thank you and please keep it up!
One change I didn't like in season 2 is that they made Joffrey a bit too cowardly. He fled the battle because he was scared. In the book he's having fun using catapults to launch Baratheon loyalists over the wall.
My dad LOVED Game of Thrones. He got to see the first two seasons before he passed.
Fantastic video and loads of great commentary.
This was such a well put together video! Youve done a fantastic job! Can't wait to see more of your work😊
I’ve never seen a show shit the bed at the finish line as intensely as ‘Game of Thrones’ did, and I entirely blame Dave & Dan for that.
If they would’ve just fucked off and did their ‘Star Wars’ script and left the series to new showrunners then we might’ve gotten a better ending. Instead they crammed at least four more seasons into 13 episodes.
Great video apart from that insane take midway through about slavery being good sometimes.
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@@andrecsf You literally just rephrased what Jacobsen said after saying what he said is not true.
Slavery isn't morally complex. It just is and always has been evil.
Wrong
@andrecsf bro WHAT 😒 I haven't even gotten to that point in the video yet but please don't be so utterly daft
@@andrecsfno it wasn’t
Amazing, best retrospective I've seen! Adding closed captions for those of us who need them would be fantastic!
Comment for the algorithm gods. These 6 hour retrospectives are giving me life
This is a great watch sitting in bed. Thanks for the time and effort. Will rank well overtime, keep working hard.
UA-cam algorithm fails at giving more exposure to this kind of videos. Hope more people find the video, just great editing and nice content in general.
This video is underrated. Took me two days but I absolutely loved this. Definitely going on my road trip playlist
Over 300k views? You deserve it. Thanks for all the work you put into this 🎉
They had to add that voice over about them being twins bc test screeners didn’t even realize they were related lol!
the idea of cersei and jaime being twins isn't to make the incest more shocking it's to highlight their narcissism. jaime at the start and cersei are both in love with themselves, so they're attracted to each other because they look so similar (when they were kids they looked indistinguishable)
this is the best GOT analysis video i’ve ever seen ! well done 🎉
Bruh! This was 🔥 Watched it over the course of a few days. Despite a couple of mix-ups, this was done very well.
Very smart to include humor in a six hour video 😂