Hephaestion actually met Alexander praying at the shrine of Patroclus while Alexander prayed next to him at the shrine of Achilles. Achilles and Patroclus were lovers, and they based their relationship off of them a lot. Basically, Patroclus and Achilles were their couple goals.
a really good book about Achilles and Patroclus’ love story is called The Song of Achilles. there are 18+ scenes and gore in battle, jsyn. i absolutely LOVED that book tho. would HIGHLY RECOMMEND
People edit wiki that’s why it’s not to be trusted It’s also homophobia and the reason why “historians” exist people who don’t think gay people existed you know like the song “And historians will call them best friends roommates” “History hates lovers” The reason why people didn’t think many gay couples were gay and deny it We don’t know the actual truth at all A lot people change the story of Apollo and Icarus or Sappho Not hating just saying don’t always trust tge internet Unless your actually homophobic
@@dancho0012 it was pretty accepted in Greek and Roman society under certain conditions. A lot of things were different in the past that doesn’t make it good or bad
Just look it up, also, Greeks did with each other as a sigh of masculinity and trust, also, if you look up about Alexander's relationships there is woman, but a lot of guys too, also the Greek god "Apollo", had slept with two guys, they died in battle or turned into a flower
@@toddynfake6769 Alexander the Great said this ''You, foulest of all Men, tell me when you have ever seen me involved in such dirty business!!'' to Philoxenus. He himself denied being gay, or bi-sexual. Dirty business being Homosexual acts which wasn't too common to be considered dirty since great philosophers, even Socrates, considered it to be against nature.
There is historical evidence and testimonies suggesting that Hephaestion was Alexander the Great's lover, but it's important to note that the accuracy of this information may vary, and there can be different interpretations. In historical sources, including writings by ancient historians such as Arrian, Plutarch, and Athenaeus, there are mentions of the close relationship between Alexander and Hephaestion. These sources describe their friendship as deep and intense, going beyond mere camaraderie. It is reported that Alexander was profoundly affected by Hephaestion's death in 324 BC, going so far as to organize state funerals and order celebrations in his honor. However, it's important to note that the norms and conceptions of friendship and love within ancient society were different from those today. Close relationships between men, including homosexual relationships, were often valued and considered natural in the context of that time. It's also worth mentioning that the history of Alexander the Great's life is subject to interpretation and different perspectives. Modern historians can analyze the available evidence and formulate hypotheses about the exact nature of the relationship between Alexander and Hephaestion, but achieving absolute certainty can be challenging due to the temporal distance and limitations of historical sources. Ultimately, it's important to understand that the history of Alexander the Great and his relationships is complex, and historical evidence provides indications of a close relationship between Alexander and Hephaestion, but there are still debates and divergent interpretations among historians.
I’m not disputing your claim on Alexander’s relationship with Hephaestion, but historians know for a fact that he wasn’t homosexual. And before you blow up on me, I’m not saying he was straight, so just hear me out. It is definitely possible that he may have had sex with men, but there is clear evidence that he, at the very least, regularly slept with women in his adult life. He had a harem composed of 365 different women, one for each day of the year. Each night, they would walk around his bed and he would pick one or several which he wanted to sleep with that night. Not only that, but he also had not one, not two, but three wives. His first wife, Roxana, also had a son with him, but they were both killed in the civil war after his death, to destroy any potential claimants to the throne. It should also be noted that there is no EXPLICIT evidence that claims that Alexander slept with men. It has been SUGGESTED by some accounts based on rumors, but there is no account that outright states that he had sex with men, whilst every source of him having sex with women was stated in a detailed way and written as a matter of fact. Yes, it could be argued that homophobia is the reason there aren’t any such explicit accounts, but the thing is, people in Antiquity did not view sexuality in the same way that people in the modern day do. It was believed that anyone had the ability to have sex with anyone and that they would still gain pleasure from it. Saying that someone was gay or bisexual in Antiquity is an anachronism. People weren’t labeled into different kinds of sexualities, so people didn’t look upon anyone’s sexual preferences as weird. Men were still always expected to have sex with women, but people didn’t see men who only had sex with other men as someone who was ‘different’. It wasn’t seen as something you could only do if you were born differently, it was seen as something anyone could do if they wanted to. Therefore, there wouldn’t be a reason for homophobia to have an effect on historical accounts, because sexual orientation - and therefore homophobia - as a concept hadn’t even been invented yet. As such, they wouldn’t have any reason for not explicitly stating it as a fact, if Alexander really did sleep with men, which further casts doubt on the validity of the accounts that suggests he did. I’m not saying he was straight, he could’ve absolutely been bisexual, bi-curious or pansexual. But the only thing that historians know for an absolute fact is that he slept with women. So he wasn’t gay, but he could’ve been bisexual. I’m not trying to start an argument, just wanted to post an explanation of why the topic of Alexander’s sexuality has so much debate surrounding it.
Whenever I think of secretly queer historical figures, my mind always goes back to Salvador Dali. "But he was married to a woman" - that doesn't mean anything. His relationship with Federico Garcia Lorca was incredibly interesting to say the least and his wife was ridiculously jealous of Lorca because her husband loved him more than her and everyone knew it. They sent each other a LOT of poems and letters fueled with sexual desire and were known to have had a deep bond between them. When a Lorca historian wrote about their romance, Dali wrote the historian an angry letter, saying he had dulled down their true romance, turning it into nothing more than a soppy novela when it was far more than that. When Dali got old and bad with dementia, the only word he would respond to was "Lorca". He forgot his wife, his family, his entire life's work but he never EVER forgot Lorca. He would recall moments he had shared with Lorca yet couldn't even recognise his own paintings from around that same time in his life. The love between those two is something you don't see a lot of nowadays and I would kill for what they had. When Lorca was assassinated in the Spanish Civil War, Dali always blamed himself because he hadn't tried hard enough to convince him to flee to Italy with him. It makes me feel fuzzy inside though that he never forgot him, even in the throws of dementia on his deathbed. That's true love.
Oh most definitely, he asked that their ashes be mixed together so they can be together forever in the afterlife, you're telling me that's just two guys being besties?
I remember last 9 weeks in school my history teacher was talking about Greek history, and Alexander the Great was in our notes. Since we were supposed to turn them in, I added at the bottom of his note portion “his lover was Hephaestion” to see if he noticed. Said teacher (Mr.W) was walking around and saw my notes. He grabbed my paper, lifted it up, and said for the whole class to hear “Miss. [last name] is right. I want all of you to write ‘Alexander the Greats lover was Hephaestion’ under your notes.”. Every notes afterwards, all of the people we wrote about had their lovers/wives/husbands in the notes, reguardless of gender
The real answer is he is wrong. This is just more nonsense to rewrite history to fit modern politics. The truth is Alexander had multiple wives and a son.
He is wrong. His best friend was Hepastian they were best friends since childhood. At the time make friends were seen as valuable and not "gay" people also use the fact he cried and weeped over hai friends dead body as evidence of his "gayness"
His mom was not mad he wouldn’t have sex with women she was worried he wouldn’t produce an heir. Homosexual relationships were quite common in ancient Greece and was not frowned upon or looked down upon. A huge misconception about his mother, she actually was known to be quite supportive of Hephaestion and Alexander
No, Alexander was not gay. But he could have been bi! He did make love and actually love many woman(excpecially because of the whole 365 harem thing and his wives) but he did have a very intimate relationship with Hephaetion including haveing no one play the flute for three days when he died. Whether it was a romantic relationship or not it still debated upon but two things are definite: 1. He had a very close relationship with Hephaetion 2. He liked woman to some extent
Also another is Achilles. Achilles dating Patroclus and it was a beautiful relationship rooted since childhood (you might have done one on him but if so I haven’t seen it)
@@booksrbetterthanpeople3567 it was not in the slightest. Achilles had multiple female partners in the original work. I believe theirs a channel called the metatron that debunks a bunch of modern day misconceptions of Greek historical and mythological figures. The song of Achilles was written in 2011… so basically it’s not even close to being the original work- it made a lot of changes that many historians criticised.
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Anne Frank is gay, and one day in school we were learning about her. We were watching a video and the video was talking about her journal, the video said she wrote about normal teenage girl things such as boys and in my head I was like “no she didn’t, get your information straight”
my immediate thought: alexander hamilton (here comes the theatre kids) I MEAN COME ON HAVE YOU SEEN HAMILTONS LETTERS TO JOHN LAURENS???? NOTHING HETEROSEXUAL ABOUT THOSE
As a Greek girl I say that's not true I've been reading my history book that they gave me in school the past 4 hours it was fantastic but nobody was gay
Alexander the Great said this ''You, foulest of all Men, tell me when you have ever seen me involved in such dirty business'' to Philoxenus. He himself denied being gay.
@@colonelsanders4483 Alexander the Great said this ''You, foulest of all Men, tell me when you have ever seen me involved in such dirty business!!'' to Philoxenus. He himself denied being gay, or bi-sexual. That's an official record. Also, Spartan and Athens would insult each other by calling the enemy 'boy lovers'.. does that mean all people in Spartan and Athens were boy lovers?
Dude literally threw history's most expensive funeral for his ahem "bestie". Also he kissed one of his male concubines in front of everyone at a banquet cause they asked him to peer pressure style
Homosexuals in denial that Alexander the Great literally had a wife and children Also, ancient Greek philosophers such as Socrates considered Homosexuality to be unnatural. Alexander the Great said this ''You, foulest of all Men, tell me when you have ever seen me involved in such dirty business'' to Philoxenus. He himself denied being gay.
@@dakkossman2063 I said 'Today's India' The country of India he didn't set foot in India It's written by strabo and Ariana that his army was scared of Indian Dhanananda
That's strange considering he had 1 woman for every day of the year. Could he be bisexual? Yes at that time many Greek soldiers were gay due to them having no women in the army and resorting to homosexuality. But Alexander had 1 woman for every day of the year. That man was most certainly not gay.
@@ihatewinter9105I mean refer to the video you’re commenting on where historical sources are used to indicate that they were. Learn history outside of the surface level and washed course you get for four years of childhood
Then why did Alexander The Great had a wife named Roxani.. Did he marry because of the tradition? He even had a son. Idk about, if during that period in Ancient Greece was acceptable
Tell me you base your whole personality doing repetitive jokes that everyone does, without telling me you base your whole personality doing repetitive jokes that everyone does
Yeah no i don't know where you guys buy these expired ass history teachers but ours told us all of this 💀 Along with the fact that in ancient Sparta, 7 year old boys get assigned a 30 year old "boyfriend" when they turn 7, thank you proffesor Dubravko 👍
Sorry but what you are showing behind you it's a draw of a greek pot that doesn't show Alexander but a killer if the time who is pushing a victim on that bed to kill him (I am Greek) and something else if he was gay (and he wasn't) how he was married and also went with lots of women when he was attacking and winning a country and he was super $3x addicted as history writing says
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For the people who think this isn't true, please read Alexander's wikipedia article and the section on Relationships. There are plenty on women, but some on men too... The story about him kissing a man revolves around a eunuch (historically feminine male who exhibited homosexual or transgender traits. They were often castrated and served in higher social positions under leaders because they were unburdened by children and family life.) named Bagoas with whom Alexander was not only intimate with, but he was so in favor of him that he gave him some political power. It was common for men of the day to have men as lovers because soldiers thought it would strengthen their ranks, and conquerers simply liked to have power over people, sexual or otherwise, and top homosexual behavior is often seen in nature and old human society as a display of dominance. Gay isn't new, it's nature, and splitting complex people into the categories of "gay or not gay" oversimplifies the vast spectrum of sexual attraction humans can feel and the many reasons for attraction beyond just reproduction. After all, if sex was just to breed, why would the male gspot be a few inches deep in the rectum? 😳 So in conclusion, he may not have been gay, but honey he wasn't exactly straight either. 💅💅💅
I don't really know the history of that time because I did it through webex classes (like zoom but worse) and I didn't ever understand anything about that.
Everything you said is completely incorrect It's not even a falsehood that these are just made up things I'm a 27-time best seller and the literal guru on Alexander the great's life
@@toddynfake6769 I do have proof and why are you getting so mad I swear it's only gay people that get mad overall this stuff just shut up It isn't my fault you don't like your life so you're arguing with me with my opinion that you can't change this doesn't make sense
Hephaestion actually met Alexander praying at the shrine of Patroclus while Alexander prayed next to him at the shrine of Achilles. Achilles and Patroclus were lovers, and they based their relationship off of them a lot. Basically, Patroclus and Achilles were their couple goals.
WOAHHHHHHHH PATROCHILES FOR LIFE
Thanks for telling us!
a really good book about Achilles and Patroclus’ love story is called The Song of Achilles. there are 18+ scenes and gore in battle, jsyn. i absolutely LOVED that book tho. would HIGHLY RECOMMEND
@@livanders2299 defiantly know about that one!
Definantly*
The Wikipedia page says they were childhood friends and each other's right hand man 💀
People edit wiki that’s why it’s not to be trusted
It’s also homophobia and the reason why “historians” exist people who don’t think gay people existed you know like the song
“And historians will call them best friends roommates”
“History hates lovers”
The reason why people didn’t think many gay couples were gay and deny it
We don’t know the actual truth at all
A lot people change the story of Apollo and Icarus or Sappho
Not hating just saying don’t always trust tge internet
Unless your actually homophobic
Well...they were each other's right hand all right😌
@@TM-wp8xy LMFAO
@@Someone-xb2fp atleeast u commented a reply but maybe edit it now
How do we know what the OP says is true. He
✨HePhAeStIoN✨
Nah that’s gay
@@HeinrichTheGr8 fr? thought it was the straightes thing ever
@@mrjdm47 definitely
All I have to say is Leonardo da Vinci got arrested for doing something 🏳️🌈
Good old days
@@sadmanmassacre47 -me
he also modeled his paintings of jesus after his male lover
yeah, but the case didn't go through because the witnesses didn't come into court lol
And on several occasions
I hear a lot of people saying being gay is a trend
But look it’s been around for AGES
It's a trend for it to be accepted
@@dancho0012 it was pretty accepted in Greek and Roman society under certain conditions. A lot of things were different in the past that doesn’t make it good or bad
@Lesbian Racoon God It's different in every country
No he said was false
@Awesome Panda I got a stroke reading that.
This is why you should never learn history from tik tokers
Source: Trust me bro
Just look it up, also, Greeks did with each other as a sigh of masculinity and trust, also, if you look up about Alexander's relationships there is woman, but a lot of guys too, also the Greek god "Apollo", had slept with two guys, they died in battle or turned into a flower
@@toddynfake6769 Alexander the Great said this ''You, foulest of all Men, tell me when you have ever seen me involved in such dirty business!!'' to Philoxenus. He himself denied being gay, or bi-sexual.
Dirty business being Homosexual acts which wasn't too common to be considered dirty since great philosophers, even Socrates, considered it to be against nature.
It's true lol. Italy was gay.
@@toddynfake6769it’s been long debunked and there sources are only statements with no evidence just too justify political ideology
There is historical evidence and testimonies suggesting that Hephaestion was Alexander the Great's lover, but it's important to note that the accuracy of this information may vary, and there can be different interpretations.
In historical sources, including writings by ancient historians such as Arrian, Plutarch, and Athenaeus, there are mentions of the close relationship between Alexander and Hephaestion. These sources describe their friendship as deep and intense, going beyond mere camaraderie. It is reported that Alexander was profoundly affected by Hephaestion's death in 324 BC, going so far as to organize state funerals and order celebrations in his honor.
However, it's important to note that the norms and conceptions of friendship and love within ancient society were different from those today. Close relationships between men, including homosexual relationships, were often valued and considered natural in the context of that time.
It's also worth mentioning that the history of Alexander the Great's life is subject to interpretation and different perspectives. Modern historians can analyze the available evidence and formulate hypotheses about the exact nature of the relationship between Alexander and Hephaestion, but achieving absolute certainty can be challenging due to the temporal distance and limitations of historical sources.
Ultimately, it's important to understand that the history of Alexander the Great and his relationships is complex, and historical evidence provides indications of a close relationship between Alexander and Hephaestion, but there are still debates and divergent interpretations among historians.
"Part 2 is sexy and sticky"
My brain: 😏
💀
AYO
🤨
Then the next video is about a shooting
Gay
I’m not disputing your claim on Alexander’s relationship with Hephaestion, but historians know for a fact that he wasn’t homosexual. And before you blow up on me, I’m not saying he was straight, so just hear me out.
It is definitely possible that he may have had sex with men, but there is clear evidence that he, at the very least, regularly slept with women in his adult life.
He had a harem composed of 365 different women, one for each day of the year. Each night, they would walk around his bed and he would pick one or several which he wanted to sleep with that night.
Not only that, but he also had not one, not two, but three wives. His first wife, Roxana, also had a son with him, but they were both killed in the civil war after his death, to destroy any potential claimants to the throne.
It should also be noted that there is no EXPLICIT evidence that claims that Alexander slept with men. It has been SUGGESTED by some accounts based on rumors, but there is no account that outright states that he had sex
with men, whilst every source of him having sex with women was stated in a detailed way and written as a matter of fact.
Yes, it could be argued that homophobia is the reason there aren’t any such explicit accounts, but the thing is, people in Antiquity did not view sexuality in the same way that people in the modern day do. It was believed that anyone had the ability to have sex with anyone and that they would still gain pleasure from it. Saying that someone was gay or bisexual in Antiquity is an anachronism. People weren’t labeled into different kinds of sexualities, so people didn’t look upon anyone’s sexual preferences as weird. Men were still always expected to have sex with women, but people didn’t see men who only had sex with other men as someone who was ‘different’. It wasn’t seen as something you could only do if you were born differently, it was seen as something anyone could do if they wanted to.
Therefore, there wouldn’t be a reason for homophobia to have an effect on historical accounts, because sexual orientation - and therefore homophobia - as a concept hadn’t even been invented yet. As such, they wouldn’t have any reason for not explicitly stating it as a fact, if Alexander really did sleep with men, which further casts doubt on the validity of the accounts that suggests he did.
I’m not saying he was straight, he could’ve absolutely been bisexual, bi-curious or pansexual. But the only thing that historians know for an absolute fact is that he slept with women. So he wasn’t gay, but he could’ve been bisexual.
I’m not trying to start an argument, just wanted to post an explanation of why the topic of Alexander’s sexuality has so much debate surrounding it.
Whenever I think of secretly queer historical figures, my mind always goes back to Salvador Dali. "But he was married to a woman" - that doesn't mean anything. His relationship with Federico Garcia Lorca was incredibly interesting to say the least and his wife was ridiculously jealous of Lorca because her husband loved him more than her and everyone knew it. They sent each other a LOT of poems and letters fueled with sexual desire and were known to have had a deep bond between them. When a Lorca historian wrote about their romance, Dali wrote the historian an angry letter, saying he had dulled down their true romance, turning it into nothing more than a soppy novela when it was far more than that. When Dali got old and bad with dementia, the only word he would respond to was "Lorca". He forgot his wife, his family, his entire life's work but he never EVER forgot Lorca. He would recall moments he had shared with Lorca yet couldn't even recognise his own paintings from around that same time in his life. The love between those two is something you don't see a lot of nowadays and I would kill for what they had. When Lorca was assassinated in the Spanish Civil War, Dali always blamed himself because he hadn't tried hard enough to convince him to flee to Italy with him. It makes me feel fuzzy inside though that he never forgot him, even in the throws of dementia on his deathbed. That's true love.
Hespaestion and Alexander is a helluva love story
Achilles had a very close bond with Patroclus. They were boyfriends, i'm calling it
Oh most definitely, he asked that their ashes be mixed together so they can be together forever in the afterlife, you're telling me that's just two guys being besties?
You should read Song Of Achilles it’s all about their relationship and is a beautiful book in general!!!
@@only_angel_ i have read the song of achilles. i did a presentation on it, i love that book so much
@@astrovoid9393 I have as well. One of my favourite pieces of literature
yep, this was even said by the ancient Greeks! people even argued over who was top and bottom lol
I remember last 9 weeks in school my history teacher was talking about Greek history, and Alexander the Great was in our notes. Since we were supposed to turn them in, I added at the bottom of his note portion “his lover was Hephaestion” to see if he noticed. Said teacher (Mr.W) was walking around and saw my notes.
He grabbed my paper, lifted it up, and said for the whole class to hear
“Miss. [last name] is right. I want all of you to write ‘Alexander the Greats lover was Hephaestion’ under your notes.”.
Every notes afterwards, all of the people we wrote about had their lovers/wives/husbands in the notes, reguardless of gender
W teacher
Nice
L teacher. No shit men unalive themselves, can't even have best friends without being called gay
@@ellengomm6972L teacher bozo. Homophobia w
And then the kids stood up and his name was Albert Einstein
I'm really curious were you get your info from since no one else can find it
SIDE NOTE - I'm not saying he's wrong I'm saying I'm curious
The real answer is he is wrong. This is just more nonsense to rewrite history to fit modern politics.
The truth is Alexander had multiple wives and a son.
He is wrong. His best friend was Hepastian they were best friends since childhood. At the time make friends were seen as valuable and not "gay" people also use the fact he cried and weeped over hai friends dead body as evidence of his "gayness"
His mom was not mad he wouldn’t have sex with women she was worried he wouldn’t produce an heir. Homosexual relationships were quite common in ancient Greece and was not frowned upon or looked down upon. A huge misconception about his mother, she actually was known to be quite supportive of Hephaestion and Alexander
No, Alexander was not gay. But he could have been bi! He did make love and actually love many woman(excpecially because of the whole 365 harem thing and his wives) but he did have a very intimate relationship with Hephaetion including haveing no one play the flute for three days when he died. Whether it was a romantic relationship or not it still debated upon but two things are definite:
1. He had a very close relationship with Hephaetion
2. He liked woman to some extent
Πες τα ρε!!!
I will say this until the day I die
ACHILLES AND PATROCLUS
Gay
I will say this until the day the Greek nation dies. THEY WERE COUSINS.
@@Greekultranationalist No they were not
@@ItzZotaku Yes they were. I have been reading the original illiad.
@@Greekultranationalist I looked it up and yes and no. They were first cousins once removed, so cousins, but not exactly cousins
Achilles and Patroclus are a great example of this
Also another is Achilles. Achilles dating Patroclus and it was a beautiful relationship rooted since childhood (you might have done one on him but if so I haven’t seen it)
the song of achilles…
@@movablefilms_ exactly
No- this was an adaption that was done hundreds of years later. He was not gay nor was it ever suggested he was gay in the original.
@@Revelationscreation it was suggested he was in the original..
@@booksrbetterthanpeople3567 it was not in the slightest. Achilles had multiple female partners in the original work. I believe theirs a channel called the metatron that debunks a bunch of modern day misconceptions of Greek historical and mythological figures.
The song of Achilles was written in 2011… so basically it’s not even close to being the original work- it made a lot of changes that many historians criticised.
"Like Hephaestion who died, Alexander's lover"
-Mystery of love from Call me by your name
BROOOOOOO!
I thought I was the only one who thought of that song!!!!
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As a normal person, I don’t know what you said what the hell is nonbinary and psexual those things do not exist.
He wasn’t gay he was open which means he was in love with war but sleep with everyone.
Boy, what kind of rubbish are you talking about? Are you completely drunk?
"It's they same as kissing the homies goodnight"
SAID MY HISTORY TEACHER
Are you greek. No did you know that. No now stop tell this thing
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Fun fact: in Ancient Greece most men had a wife specifically for kids and a homie who was their gay bro
Other Fun Fact: Most Ancient Greek Warriors fought for their lovers.... as in their lovely male Partners :)
Anne Frank is gay, and one day in school we were learning about her. We were watching a video and the video was talking about her journal, the video said she wrote about normal teenage girl things such as boys and in my head I was like “no she didn’t, get your information straight”
Did you ask Anne Frank that? 🤔
Alexander is one of the most legendary people in history but Anne Frank isnt
U should do Achilles and Patroclus!
Gay
Idc, to me these two were lovers, true soulmates. From all I’ve read about them Alexander seemed to be a huge simp for Hephaestion ❤
“Alexander The Gay”
"Sexy and sticky" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Omg I died
my immediate thought: alexander hamilton
(here comes the theatre kids)
I MEAN COME ON HAVE YOU SEEN HAMILTONS LETTERS TO JOHN LAURENS???? NOTHING HETEROSEXUAL ABOUT THOSE
Technically he was bisexual but that’s pretty similar
As a Greek girl I say that's not true I've been reading my history book that they gave me in school the past 4 hours it was fantastic but nobody was gay
Alexander the Great said this ''You, foulest of all Men, tell me when you have ever seen me involved in such dirty business'' to Philoxenus. He himself denied being gay.
@@twoneedyaaah ok so you traveled back in time and heard him saying that?
His sources: TrUsT mE bRo
Source is the official records from ancient Greece
@@colonelsanders4483 Alexander the Great said this ''You, foulest of all Men, tell me when you have ever seen me involved in such dirty business!!'' to Philoxenus. He himself denied being gay, or bi-sexual. That's an official record.
Also, Spartan and Athens would insult each other by calling the enemy 'boy lovers'.. does that mean all people in Spartan and Athens were boy lovers?
I already knew. My philosophy teacher just casually glossed over it like “oh yeah, he’s gay.” So ✨
Dude literally threw history's most expensive funeral for his ahem "bestie".
Also he kissed one of his male concubines in front of everyone at a banquet cause they asked him to peer pressure style
All the homophobes in denial lol
Homosexuals in denial that Alexander the Great literally had a wife and children
Also, ancient Greek philosophers such as Socrates considered Homosexuality to be unnatural. Alexander the Great said this ''You, foulest of all Men, tell me when you have ever seen me involved in such dirty business'' to Philoxenus. He himself denied being gay.
And they were roomates
Today I had to research Alexander the Great in class and my friend scrolled to the bottom and it said he was gay
Alexander was probably bisexual like yeah
He wasn't gay he even had a son and a wife you geniuses
Freddy mercury also had a wife. doesn't mean he's straight
yess i love alex & hephaestion (aka the first patrochilles fangirls)
He died and Alexander Made a statue of him in the greek and Egyptian style...because he drowned in the nile.....
Alexander even went to the Oracle to try and make him a god
Well that explains why Alexander was scared to Indian king Dhanananda
He conquered India easily
@@dakkossman2063 what weed you on bro
Alexander didn't even enter India
Today's India
@@animeguy7037 good morning. India is a sub-continent and he successfully annexed a part of it.
@@dakkossman2063 I said 'Today's India'
The country of India he didn't set foot in India
It's written by strabo and Ariana that his army was scared of Indian Dhanananda
Alex was more Bi than gay. Just wanted to let you know
Alan Turing, one of the most important people in the triumph over Germany in ww2 was gay
That's strange considering he had 1 woman for every day of the year. Could he be bisexual? Yes at that time many Greek soldiers were gay due to them having no women in the army and resorting to homosexuality. But Alexander had 1 woman for every day of the year. That man was most certainly not gay.
Alexander refused to eat for three days when he died
Yeah, cause it was his best friend genius
"Part 2 is sexy and sticky" 🤡💀
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@@toddynfake6769 It was never said that these people were gay so you can go cry about it. Should have learnt history
@@ihatewinter9105I mean refer to the video you’re commenting on where historical sources are used to indicate that they were. Learn history outside of the surface level and washed course you get for four years of childhood
@@bigpaint3337Ah yes random guy on yt telling you things is apparently a source now
He wasn’t even gay
@@Invitedtothetreecus this idiot is making everyone seem gay for no reason
@@Invitedtothetreebecause the creator of the video spreads misinformation
“It’s Ancient Greece popcicleese, we’re all gay”
-Ancient TX2
Literally any professors mentions one my brother in Christ Alexandros was likely either gay or bisexual
There's a reason that my history teacher thinks that they're roommates.
He was Bisexual, not Gay...
Then why did Alexander The Great had a wife named Roxani.. Did he marry because of the tradition? He even had a son. Idk about, if during that period in Ancient Greece was acceptable
There is no way Achilles and Patroclus were just friends.
I just think they being gay doesnt tell anything to the history we need to lrarn in class, not because they didn’t want to tell us lol
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I am gay also but from India
My history teacher in middle school told us Julius Caesar was also gay
Roman's where holes are holes kind of people
I saw the title and I kind of knew who we are going to talk about here-
Teacher didn't talk about them being gay because they were teaching us history. Not gay porn like today. Them being gay doesn't matter really.
It does, its a fact that spartans slept with each other to improve battle spirit, or something like that
Tell me you base your whole personality on your sexuality without telling me you base your whole personality on your sexuality
Tell me you base your whole personality doing repetitive jokes that everyone does, without telling me you base your whole personality doing repetitive jokes that everyone does
@@toddynfake6769 You did exactly the same thing rn. Pathetic af, but nice try
well time to tell my teacher
My history teacher tried to say the Sappho wrote poems about men 😭🤣
Zeus, Hercules,Dionysus
We all knew Alexander was into guys.
h1tler wasn’t lengendary, but he sure was gay
Alexander is bisexual
whats the source of this? is this authentic?
It's hearday and nonsense. Hence why nobody gives you any credible source.
Yeah no i don't know where you guys buy these expired ass history teachers but ours told us all of this 💀
Along with the fact that in ancient Sparta, 7 year old boys get assigned a 30 year old "boyfriend" when they turn 7, thank you proffesor Dubravko 👍
To be fair, the Greeks did not have sexualities and men could marry men and women married women and they thought nothing of it
I knew this because of Fanfiction.
Sorry but what you are showing behind you it's a draw of a greek pot that doesn't show Alexander but a killer if the time who is pushing a victim on that bed to kill him
(I am Greek) and something else if he was gay (and he wasn't) how he was married and also went with lots of women when he was attacking and winning a country and he was super $3x addicted as history writing says
You destrois the history
You destroyed the english language
@@1Alex117 i am romanian
Hey... thank you. I'm not in a place where it's safe for me to be our as a queer person. I love coming across your videos. They always make me feel safe
Source? This sounds like a very interesting story to not have a record especially since idk he lived like hundreds and hundreds of years ago
For the people who think this isn't true, please read Alexander's wikipedia article and the section on Relationships. There are plenty on women, but some on men too...
The story about him kissing a man revolves around a eunuch (historically feminine male who exhibited homosexual or transgender traits. They were often castrated and served in higher social positions under leaders because they were unburdened by children and family life.) named Bagoas with whom Alexander was not only intimate with, but he was so in favor of him that he gave him some political power.
It was common for men of the day to have men as lovers because soldiers thought it would strengthen their ranks, and conquerers simply liked to have power over people, sexual or otherwise, and top homosexual behavior is often seen in nature and old human society as a display of dominance. Gay isn't new, it's nature, and splitting complex people into the categories of "gay or not gay" oversimplifies the vast spectrum of sexual attraction humans can feel and the many reasons for attraction beyond just reproduction. After all, if sex was just to breed, why would the male gspot be a few inches deep in the rectum? 😳
So in conclusion, he may not have been gay, but honey he wasn't exactly straight either. 💅💅💅
Source: Trust me queen 💅
This is very false information
I don't really know the history of that time because I did it through webex classes (like zoom but worse) and I didn't ever understand anything about that.
Alexander the gay ❤🧡💛💚💙💜💗
but then they arent legends
I found it funny because a Greek god (Apollo) had 2 male lovers who either died by some enemy killing them or turned into a flower
Thats actually pretty cool
Alexander the great was not considered a very hot man to say the least lol
Everything you said is completely incorrect It's not even a falsehood that these are just made up things I'm a 27-time best seller and the literal guru on Alexander the great's life
Gay news STRAIGHT from this guy
Alexander was super gay...
Love the movie with colin farrell
Alexander the Great litterally denied being gay and he said it was foul and disgusting plus he had a wife so I’m not such what you’re talking about
I learn so much from your shorts…..thank you for educating me! Never to old for new Knowledge.
What he said was inaccurate he lied they were all straight
I think
@@UNlTED_KlNGDOM So you also dont have proof, congratulations, you are a hypocritical
@@toddynfake6769 I do have proof and why are you getting so mad I swear it's only gay people that get mad overall this stuff just shut up It isn't my fault you don't like your life so you're arguing with me with my opinion that you can't change this doesn't make sense
My history teacher never spoke of what people's sexual preferences were...
This sounds like some Roman fan fiction 💀
Nice fan fiction pole 🚬
“its with the homies!”
And yet i dont care
I was actually taught this 🤣
Roxana,parisatis II and stateira: am I a joke to you?