Hi Sam, Gotta put you right about this… The Jubilees were a brand-new design. The Patriots were nominal rebuilds of the much earlier LNWR Claughton locomotives. Some of the Patriots were later rebuilt with taper boilers which made them look very similar to the Jubilees and indeed to the rebuilt Royal Scots. They all had a very similar chassis and wheelbase.
@@patricksavage922 I'm torn because Bachmann always make beautiful locos, but with terrible mechanisms and ridiculous prices. Bachmann's finish on their locos are better than other brands in my opinion.
i was going to say the same, wonky 3 pole motor, it will fail after the warranty has expired, in this case, the 3 pole motor in this loco should last for a few years.
Hello Mr.@@SamsTrains, I have something to tell you, You NEED a Narrow gauge model railway. I would really like it if you started your own Narrow gauge model railway. Your model railway is OO scale, right? If it is OO scale than I say the Narrow gauge model railway should be a OO9 scale model railway. Standard gauge + Narrow gauge = Awesome.
Hi Sam, great review as always. While I doubt that you'll see this comment I just want to thank you for making such wonderful videos. Model railroads were a big part of my childhood, but I began to forget about them when we got rid of our layout. I discovered your channel about a year ago and I was inspired to get back into the hobby, and I'm almost done laying the track on my new layout. You've helped me rediscover a major part of my life and I cannot thank you enough.
Fantastic story mate. Welcome back to the hobby. Good luck with the new layout. Pretty sure Sam reads all comments but ever since he reached 100K subs he's stopped replying to all of the comments. Kinda dissapointing, but he has to cut it off somewhere. I imagine replying to hundreds of comments is very time consuming.
It’s baffling to think that there are ‘haters’ for a channel that revolves on model trains of all things. Oh well, keep doing what you do. I love your content!
I recently purchased my first Bachmann steam locomotive, a LBSCR H2 4-4-2 "Beachy Head" 31-921. The reasons why I bought this model are that it has tender pickups (yes, only on two of the three axles) and turned brass bearings on the two driver axles. I will not purchase a tender locomotive without those features, hence I do not expect to purchase too many Bachmann steam locomotives.
Brass is a bad bearing material but Bronze is excellent. Hope what you thought were brass bearings were bronze. Bronze bearings can be designed to be porous and soaks up oil and so continuously lubricates. A commercial product are Oilite bearings. Oilite have a Wikipedia page for more info. But there is a chance Bachmann would go with brass.
What is good about these reviews of yours is the commentary which is in your usual and laconic style! I think the reason locos arrive with parts falling off is that the packaging is subjected to considerable violence in transit. When you buy something from Hatton's or directly from Hornby's website the packaging is always very careful, but not so with other suppllers. I have found locos where the box is protected with foam are okay, but if bubble wrap has been used, then that does not protect the loco from things falling off. Maybe in your review, you should review how well the item has been packed!
And so I got two of them are LMS Jubilees, There was Kolhapur & Quebec. The No. 5593 ‘Kolhapur’ was LMS Crimson Livery (as preserved) from 31-175K Collectors Club Limited Edition Model 2007, and No. 45555 ‘Quebec’ was BR Brunswick Green Livery from 30-285 The Midlander Express Train Set. And so for that (1:24) The No. 45604 'Ceylon' was British Railways Experimental Green Livery with 31-191, will coming on 23rd of August.
This very loco was one of the surprise highlights of my purchases last year - an impulse buy in the TMC sale for £100. Beautiful loco, great runner - a bargain, even greater if they're knocking out the same model at £200.
I always find Bachmann’s mechanisms aren’t great, I have a Bachmann 3f and I’ve had it a few years and the square axle slots have knackered it up, still runs just very lumpy and the motor isn’t too great either. Great video Cheers Dan :)
Hi Sam, great review! I've been watching quite a few of your vids recently and I'm always impressed with how in-depth they've become. I have to ask though - what would it take for you to give a 0 star rating in any category? Even in some of the worst you've reviewed the minimum seems to be 1 star. Is 0 a score you would ever give?
o star would be, a clapped out loco that is only fit for the bin, example, a well used not looked after loco, i think sam has had 1 or 2 second hand locos in the past that he was being generous with 1 star.
There is a tried and tested way I use to avoid receiving damaged goods by mail order. I buy from bricks and mortar model shops. I can do deals with them for a reasonable discount usually, order and view before I buy and have a personal relationship with the retailer. If one buys from box shifters these days, it now seems more likely than not, the goods will arrive damaged or with parts seperated. The Jubilee is a very tired model, indeed. There are a few second hand ones around for reasonable money, ironically, from the box shifters.
You could be right - but that's not viable for me - model shops near me sell at near RRP prices, and I do buy lots of models so I can't afford that on a regular basis. Models that I consider to be quality very rarely arrive broken though Thanks for watching, Sam :)
For me, buying from a brick and motar shop means at least an international travel of around 1000 km by train (distance by rail from Grenoble, my hometown, to Dover, the closest UK city from where I live). So, mail orders only for me, no one sells UK trains in France as far as I know, certainly not in my city, especially while models shops in France are nearly all disappeared. And I spare you the considerations of passing customs due to some recent political changes... So, all internet ordres from me. Including non-UK trains, bought from Germany, lower price than in France where you always pays the full RRP anywhere you go shopping for model trains.
Well done again Sam. I love how comprehensive your reviews are. Makes me want to take it out of the box at the shop and check for those indescepancies at the shop. Cheers mate.
I just love all the transitional era liveries. Tornado's BR apple green, Bude in exchange trials BR malachite green, and this in BR ex-LMS black. I'm tempted by the br apple green jubilee, since only a handful of locos ever carried that livery. But I've already got one in weathered BR green, sound fitted. The glue marks are not on, or the loose bit of valve gear. I didn't think the mechanism seemed too bad when I ran mine, since it runs quietly without sound, and can haul 40ish wagons without the torque disappearing. Have to say, the jubilees are my favourite LMS 4-6-0s, even though I only have 1 and only got it a year ago.
Hi Sam, yes i prefer my locomotives in SHOWROOM condition, beautiful and clean. I will not acquire another Bachmann Jubilee or any other Bachmann steam locomotive until it is retooled with with a upgraded mechanism and roller bearings, and all wheel pick ups. For £200.00 i would expect the QUILL not a locomotive with glue marks . Enjoyed the video Sam thank you 👍🚄🚅
I bought a Bachmann Jubilee some years back when they were retooled for which I paid £80 (RRP at the time!). It was also the last model I bought from my local model shop just before it closed. I was fortunate to get 'Victoria' complete with etched brass nameplates because it was a loco I remembered well from my childhood being a Holbeck loco which passed regularly through my hometown on Leeds-Blackpool services. It was and still is an excellent runner. The finish is also excellent. It would appear from your review that quality has gone south as the ridiculous price hikes have headed skyward!
I know this is off-topic, but I recently discovered that there are indeed mountain rack railway models. An Austrian company called Ferro has a mountain rail product line in HOn3z scale. They are really expensive though, so I would not recommend rushing into it.
Sam I have a bit of a tip when handling models out of the box, don't hold them by the tender when picking them up from the box. The tender connection spigot can snap will all manufacturers, not only bachmann. It's just more common with bachmann models due to them for the most part being heavier than hornby models. Also with designs like the bachmann one with no fixing in the drawbar, it can unhook, putting the entire weight of the loco on the connection wires or just dropping the loco.
Thanks for the tip! That's right - I don't hold locos with their tenders! I have to lift them that way to give the camera a good view, but I make sure the drawbars are engaged properly... 400+ locos in, and never had an accident! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I hope so too! Their new models do seem to have better motors - usually coreless ones - but they do perform better than these 3 polers! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
My Mainline Railways Jubilee, Leander, came from a table stand on Kidderminster Town Station of Severn Valley Railway status a few years ago. She's a glossy engine of the Bachmann persuasion, and I paid £75 for her. Her first run on my then yet-to-be-named model railway was a great success. She ran on Ryan Ball's railway too, and she hasn't had any problems whatsoever. Leander is the better performer out of the two, so I can highly recommend buying an older Mainline Railways Jubilee engine to you. If you can find one, that is.
For what it's worth I believe that Bachmann have only re-tooled the Jubilee once, quite a while ago. Product numbers 131-160 and below are based on the old Mainline version with the split chassis (nice enough looking, but that mechanism is very prone to failure after a while). Product numbers above 131-160 are the redone version, finally getting rid of the split chassis. I have examples of both, in LMS livery. It is possible that Bachmann have done additional revisions that I don't know about. I believe I paid £90 for my more recent Jubilee.
The Mainline version have an even worse pancake style motor. Same as the one in Sam's early servicing video on Mainline. I could provide a link but Sam bans them these days.
hey Sam. Really enjoy your reviews. As someone looking to get into OO gauge and with limited space, how trains get round different radius' would be really insightful. Some sort of standard testing (maybe with points!) would be really useful. Just a thought
He did do a few videos on engines going round incredibly tight radious curves. But I agree, a category dedicated to that in standard reviews would be very nice.
@@Deuce_and_a_half hey yeah I saw those and really fun but yeah, would be nice to incorporate 'this is the train going round a radius 4,3,2,1 curve. I know the manufactures put a minimum radius on their stats but this is rarely accurate
@@stuartjohnellis the manufacturers 99% of the time say they are rated for radious 2 and higher. Even if the model is capable of a lower radious. I have the Bachmann S100 (USA Dock tank) and the instructions say radious 2. Even though they were used in Southampton docks for their short wheel base and capability of going round tight curves. Pretty sure they do it like that just in case something happens. Why complicate yourself in making sure a model can do tight curves if most people have radious 2. It's standard after all.
if you have limited space for a layout, use older locos from hornby and lima with 1st radius curves, the bogies/wheelset swing more round these curves, if you want modern locos from hornby, bachmann, dapol and vitrains with 2nd radius curves, the bogies/wheelset swing less round these curves, most or all modern locos don't like going round 1st radius curves, they will not go round it or fall off.
7.5 I'd give it. Despite the square axle slots on them, I've got one myself and it's a fabulous runner and model. The tooling is very old though. I think something like 20 years maybe. I have heard the new Jubilees are very much improved and are superior apparently.
Although brass bushes/bearings obviously better, why is Bachmann's no bearing method badcwhen oftennthey still run really well? Would you say they ware out quicker?
They do look similar to the Black 5 but with wheels arches, At least there's 4 of them in preservation. Both the LMS Black 5 and LMS Jubilee are my favorite LMS locomotives that were ever built
I don't mind a weathered box car or two...but I"m with you Sam- I like my loco's looking their best. I don't even mind an occasional building a bit weathered and distressed too...
Great video as always Sam. It's pretty scary paying a lot of money for a model and straight out of the box there are problems........seems to be very common.
I notice you had a bit of fun with the valvegear. I'm in the process of replacing the valvegear on my Kolhapur and cannot believe how complicated it is - and difficult!! Tell you what - remove the coupling rods and see how free-running the driving wheels actually are, square-cut channels or not. I found the Jubilee underpowered - and mine has a replacement motor as well. Despite that, I love Stanier locomotives as well! Al.
A brand new price of ~£80 does make me wonder if the glue marks made it a discounted model. Either that or a flash sale. I have a Bachmann Jubilee, which is Kolhapur from 2009 and it does seem that nothing has changed in the intervening years to the 2016 Madras. My experience of it are very similar to your review... looks stunning, runs extremely well for the mechanism. There are no glue marks on it though and it was purchased second hand for not much less than what you paid for Madras. My own opinion is it's worthy of a price tag brand new over ~£110, but as you say the mechanism should be up to date for £200. Great review, thanks.
Your review of Bachmann models is spot on. My Stanier mogul has great detail and is a beautiful model but I had problems with the build quality. Within a minute of unboxing it ground to a stop. When I took engine apart two of the four screws that hold the engine in place were missing. After a couple of tries it would not move. I had to take apart the gear train and found the screws inside the drive gear. I was shocked by the poor assembly of the motor for the price (did not pay msrp but it was more expensive than my Hornbys). Looking at the inside the mogul was better quality than the Jubilee. At least there are brass bearings and tender pick up plus an addition support for the motor.
Brass is a bad bearing material but Bronze is excellent. Hope what you thought were brass bearings were bronze. Bronze bearings can be designed to be porous and soaks up oil and do continuously lubricates. A commercial product are Oilite bearings. Oilite have a Wikipedia page for more info. But there is a chance Bachmann would go with brass.
I agree whith you Sam regarding the bouild. qauality when it comes to bachmann. It is a shame that the boiler has glue marks and some of the moving parts came lose during transport. Keep up the good work Sam. 👍👍👍🇸🇪
I think that I could have predicted the outcome here, excitement followed by disappointment from the usual Bachmann flare. We really need to see whether the new models have addressed the shortcomings, one can only hope at £200.
haha yeah - it is fairly predictable isn't it? As far as I know they haven't retooled the Jub... they certainly didn't say so in their announcement video! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, your great now was this British Railways Lined Black Livery, an my was Unrebuilt Patriot Class also is British Railways Lined Black Livery (no same lined) was No. 45506 ‘The Royal Pioneer Corps’ from 31-210K Collectors Club.
Greetings Sam. I wanted to thank you for recommending the Bachmann BR Class 37 to me. I have recently acquired one of my one and it is great. I will definitely enjoy having it in my collection. Thank you - Luke 😉
Now that you have a jubilee class, a coronation class, a princess royal class, and a Fowler, you can recreate the Harrow and Wealdstone train disaster!
Recently bought one of these but didn’t realise how early it was, undoubtedly one not long out of Mainline branding, and bought for current used prices for a much newer one, and was surprised to find moulded cab handrails instead as separate as most mainline models were very well finished for the era. It was a double chimney example and specifically Bahamas which I was lucky enough to have a driving experience on so naturally that was the example I wanted, and it was I guess the ‘Scotsman tax’ on a known and as preserved loco but definitely wasn’t worth the money, even less so than these newer ones
I liked the Jubilees and they looked good in BR's LNW lining (when clean!). I remember Madras taking me from Watford Jct. to (old) Euston once; possibly I was going to Central Hall to see a modelrailway exhibition.
Nice review on the Bachmann Jubilee locomotive! Overall, the locomotive is pretty good except for the glue marks and as you mentioned, the poor mechanism. But everything else is ok.
How much difference is there in costs of the motors. Oh, saw an old video of yours when you had a Lego Tunnel. Your very very good at this Mr Sam 🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🥳
I've started following your videos recently, as I'm planning my first layout - I decided to treat myself for my 66th birthday, which is TODAY! But, can I ask why you have your layout on the floor? I would assume there are some issues with that...harder to view at eye level, fluff in the locos, not possible to add ballast and scenery etc? Any thoughts on why you prefer that would be interesting to see.BTW, 'warming to the coal'...nice line. ;)
i think sam has his layout this way to save time and money having a layout nailed to the floor and easier to replace track etc, there should not be issues with bits of fluff in locos, coaches etc if the room is regularly cleaned.
Will you ever change your layout? This isn’t hate I’m just wondering because it could be bigger and better for the haulage test again it’s just an idea love your reviews
I do wish that Bachmann and Hornby would update their tooling on the classic Stanier locomotives. For 160GBP I'd love to have a high spec Black Five or Jubilee. The Hornby one runs well but looks old, and the Bachmann one looks beautiful but has a poorer mechanism. Perhaps Dapol or Accurascale could take the plunge?
comes down to £££, keep using the old tooling to keep £££ down, use a new tooling, the £££ will go up and that £££ is passed onto the customer, if dapol or accurascle do release a stanier black five or jubilee, they will use a new tooling and the £££ would be £200+.
Their needs to be a Narrow Gauge Model Railway. OO9 scale narrow gauge railway. Narrow gauge railway’s, in my opinion, are cool and I would like to see Mr.Sam start his own Narrow gauge model railway.
It honestly makes you wonder what these manufacturers are thinking when they set the RRP! I agree with the price you paid and I would call that a good deal because it is a nice loco but not worth £200! Great review as always Sam!
If I had just purchased a new locomotive for a considerable sum, I would be quite pi**ed off if I found those dreadful bearings inside. I don't understand it. I have only Tri-ang and early Hornby locos. Even the 1959 ones have round holes for the axles, and they are still good over 60 years later. The Hornby ones from the early 1980s have brass bearings. That's 38 years ago. How hard can it be to change the casting and at least make them U shaped. No wonder people have a jaundiced attitude to modern things. Still, it does look lovely 😊 Cheers and glad to see you didn't wilfully damage it for once 😄
I have the 2014 25th anniversary one. It came with 45552 silver jubilee, a class 47, and a wooden collection box. I got given the jube second hand, so I don't have anything else from the set. Just recently fixed her back up back in February after 2 years on the sidelines. Only issue is, it has the space for a nameplate, but no actual nameplate. Any ideas were I could get a set?
Oh wow! That sounds like something pretty special! Hmm that's an odd one - I'm sure there's a company that produces etched ones! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey sam, i know this is a bit of a stretch for you but I'd love to see your thoughts on my favorite company's new HO/OO scale line, my favorite company lionel trains founded in 1900 recently released an HO scale line, they are only American locomotives but figured you'd still be interested, they run between 100 for just the loco or 200 to 300 for a set, they are high quality and lionel has beautiful sound features on all of them, I'd love to hear your thoughts as lionel is widely considered the best maker of model trains in the world branching out to many different scales, Standard Guage, O Gauge, S Gauge, HO Gauge, and G Gauge
Prior to WW2 Lionel made a range of OO scale 1/76 ratio trains with 19 mm (3/4 inch) gauge track. Only loco I have seen from that short lived Lionel range was a die cast scale NYC Hudson. There are a few videos on UA-cam of Lionel OO or,00.
@@johnd8892 ive never heard about prior ww2 but i have post ww2, and they recently as of 2019 released a line of modern HO/OO stuff, consisting of a few sets and such
Great looking locomotive there Sam you can say what you like about bachmann steam but I like them and will continue buying them regardless of what you say.
Lovely review again Sam. I'm pondering whether this one in particular, for the price you paid, has come from some Seconds batch or something nonetheless, since it has so many optical manufacturing and transport imperfections... Would that be possible you think...? Although rubbish, were the motors of these consistent from sample to sample, then the highest price in my head would touch 80 Sterling perhaps. However, not even being competent to deliver consistent working locos, how most silly is that...
Called Jubs as you may have seen on Wikipedia but I have always heard this pronounced Jubes. Being an abbreviation of Jubilee. Could be wrong though not being around to hear them described by spotters etc in normal service.
Very sad to see those "square bearings" on a model with that high RRP... Also, disappointing to see that valve gear part had fallen off... not everyone will be able to repair it... I watched because I like Jubilee steam engines, LMS being my favourite of the big 4... I do hope it gives you more enjoyment as the years pass, because as you say, it is a fine looking model... Great review...
The crankpin screw is because that rod over the crank needs to clear it? So nothing that protrudes out can be used. I don't really see many other solutions, except maybe to use a Torx screw where the spline for the driver almost looks like a round hole.
Yup - but the simple solution is to incline the cam outwards a few mm and use a regular crank pin - Hornby always do valve gear this way and it looks much better! It also provides better clearance between moving parts; pretty important given the amount of 'slop' of the valve gear in most models... hence why I've had quite a few Bachmann locos go 'clicky' or in extreme cases seize up entirely! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have the previous incarnation of this "Drake" (socket is in the loco) I bought it in 2012 DCC fitted for £65.00 from Hattons. It runs great still and I bought another a few years later "Kolhapur" (socket in loco). My only gripe is the tender to loco drawbar, they are prone to coming uncoupled.
I never heard of a running plate. Isn't it called the footplate? It really dates from when the fireman had to walk round the loco while running, in order to oil, manually.
Hi Sam! Thanks for another enjoyable review! If you don't mind me asking, what loco would recommend to a beginner or a casual user like me? Thanks, Bhargav
I'm hoping to get 45654 'Hood' in BR Green wt Electrification stripe as it's finally arrived where I live. I'm after that specific member of the class (and a certain earlier member) since it shares it's name with the famous battlecruiser.
I’m starting to get the feeling these deep discounts and price drops are probably because of the finish issues, kinda a “scratch n dent” kind of deal, if you know what I mean. Doesn’t excuse the awful mechanisms, but that’s pretty much a hallmark of Bachmann no matter where you are in the world
or sent the finished locos out the door without a full inspection before sending out the door, seems bachmann can't sell a steam loco with a decent pulling reliable motor in it, but, they can sell a diesel loco with decent pulling reliable motor in it
I disagree with your assesment of the loco-tender connection. I think that connections which can be easily separated are far better than (for example) the original Hornby Hogwarts Castle (which I believe was based on the Airfix Castle) which requires a screw to be undone every time you want to remove the tender, and then a delicate operation to reinsert all of the components of the link in the right places (a spring desinged to ensure electrical contact makes this a nightmare) before putting the screw back in, being careful not to overtighten it (which will pull out the piece of plastic which receives the screw, and means that you will have to hold the whole lot together with tape in future). When you have a mechanical issue on the loco, and need to take it apart to fiddle and then re-assemble to test multiple times, this becomes incredibly frustrating. I would have thought this system to be an improvement.
Great vid.. I have just got bought 3 2nd hand 4-6-0 of different makes n colours, black 5, BR green and a LMS Red.... good review... oh and a Ps.. its Ma Dras not Mad ras.. its a place in India its also a hot Curry :) but you might know this.. :)
You always apologise if you made a mistake lol don't know what the haters are on about. That time when you reviewed the Heljan Metropolitan Electric, you didn't put the loco on the track properly for the slow speed test, which really didn't affect the slow speed performance all that much, and you still addressed the minor mistake. :D
haha don't worry - I'm not really bothered, I just like to straighten the record from time to time! Yep that's right - everyone makes mistakes, but I do my best not to! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Honestly, I follow you because you are clear on the review process, and have one pretty well made to have a solid opinion based on facts. It's worth my time to see your videos, even for models I won't buy, like this one (mainline engine while I'm modelling branchlines). For the haters, my policy is to avoid them. I had some fights on the internet with trolls in the past, I had enough of them to not sign up for other pointless non-debates. It's useless to do so for me.
So, comparison with cars in a nutshell : -engine overall look : 2010 vintage Ford Focus -motor and drivetrain : late 1940's Ford Anglia -finish of this model : 1970 Lada 1300 with drunk workers at the paint shop -price : 2020 BMW series 7 For the finish, it's an Heljan-like botched work, great you got it fo GBP 80. I'm waiting to see their new V2, I've got the preceding model which is blatantliy outdated (and awfully noisy), and the new one is announced for an RRP of GBP 220... It is a completely retooled, but, as far as I have seen the pre-production sample pictures, Bachmann had succeeded to do their Hornby with a blind axle for the pony truck at the rear... The one I've got have a laterally sliding axle with real flanges, go figure... I have not received yet my J27, so, I cannot tell you in how many parts it will arrive at my home, and how much loose would the coupling rods be... Sincerely, when I'm seeing the very variable quality of the UK model trains, coupled with an steadily increasing price (sole and only hobby where the prices had not, at least, stay stable in real money, corrected from inflation, since the 1980s), I am wondering why I'm still modelling this. Especially when I made a comparison with my italian engines (Roco plus Rivarossi for the steam ones, add Piko and Brawa for the diesels). If I would start modelling trains today, with the knowledge of the market I've got, sincerely, I would certainly scrap the idea of doing UK trains. Fortunately, there is stronger reasons for me to keep on doing, and not because I've got a noticeable amount of rolling stock. As you said, overpriced and low quality, a model you can avoid.
Is the argument over bearings vs slotted axles really an issue? Does it make a difference to running, dare I say playing? Will it wear out quicker with no bearings? Is there a like-for-like comparison available?
Hello Michael, you will find square slots wear bigger which leads to the axles moving backwards and forwards untill they wear out at least with a bearing you can replace it when it wears and it runs like new again, I run a large 00 garden railway and have stopped buying Bachman steam locomotives as they wear out to quick for the high price you pay, there diesels fare a lot better though and I still purchase them, I haven't answered your question in any great detail Micheal but I hope it's been a help, kindest regards Paul.
You do excellent reviews Sam but as far as Bachmann are concerned now, I won't buy any more they have totaly been out priced for me. I'm now sticking with Hornby, although their prices have been increased by 12% since the begining of August that' way above inflation, how do they warrant this?
Hi Sam,
Gotta put you right about this…
The Jubilees were a brand-new design.
The Patriots were nominal rebuilds of the much earlier LNWR Claughton locomotives.
Some of the Patriots were later rebuilt with taper boilers which made them look very similar to the Jubilees and indeed to the rebuilt Royal Scots.
They all had a very similar chassis and wheelbase.
Anytime I see a Bachmann steam loco review. I always think Christ what rubbish mechanism we have here then . Nevertheless brilliant review mate 🙂
Yep - ridiculous how poor the quality of these mechs are for the price... but a nice model overall!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@patricksavage922 I'm torn because Bachmann always make beautiful locos, but with terrible mechanisms and ridiculous prices.
Bachmann's finish on their locos are better than other brands in my opinion.
i was going to say the same, wonky 3 pole motor, it will fail after the warranty has expired, in this case, the 3 pole motor in this loco should last for a few years.
Hello Mr.@@SamsTrains, I have something to tell you, You NEED a Narrow gauge model railway. I would really like it if you started your own Narrow gauge model railway. Your model railway is OO scale, right? If it is OO scale than I say the Narrow gauge model railway should be a OO9 scale model railway. Standard gauge + Narrow gauge = Awesome.
@@Deuce_and_a_half It depends on the brand, but it general I agree with you : great looks but awful mechanisms at an outrageous price.
Sam, thank you for your honest and thoughtful reviews! We are lucky to have you. Keep up the good work :)
1:23 Wow, Ceylon. So happy to know there's a locomotive named after Sri Lanka, my home country :D
That model looks absolutely stunning too
Hi Sam, great review as always. While I doubt that you'll see this comment I just want to thank you for making such wonderful videos. Model railroads were a big part of my childhood, but I began to forget about them when we got rid of our layout. I discovered your channel about a year ago and I was inspired to get back into the hobby, and I'm almost done laying the track on my new layout. You've helped me rediscover a major part of my life and I cannot thank you enough.
Fantastic story mate. Welcome back to the hobby. Good luck with the new layout.
Pretty sure Sam reads all comments but ever since he reached 100K subs he's stopped replying to all of the comments. Kinda dissapointing, but he has to cut it off somewhere. I imagine replying to hundreds of comments is very time consuming.
It’s baffling to think that there are ‘haters’ for a channel that revolves on model trains of all things.
Oh well, keep doing what you do. I love your content!
Bachmann's SECR C Class is more expensive than the Dapol D Class in terms of RRP I think, ludicrous pricing.
Yep - and as dodgy as the D class might have been on quality... the C class is worse!! :O
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam! How about 3D printing some boiler tube detail for inside the smoke box? I know you just want more excuses to use your printers 😄
Great idea Ian - that could totally be done! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains sign me up for 2 sets lol
I recently purchased my first Bachmann steam locomotive, a LBSCR H2 4-4-2 "Beachy Head" 31-921. The reasons why I bought this model are that it has tender pickups (yes, only on two of the three axles) and turned brass bearings on the two driver axles. I will not purchase a tender locomotive without those features, hence I do not expect to purchase too many Bachmann steam locomotives.
Brass is a bad bearing material but Bronze is excellent. Hope what you thought were brass bearings were bronze.
Bronze bearings can be designed to be porous and soaks up oil and so continuously lubricates.
A commercial product are Oilite bearings.
Oilite have a Wikipedia page for more info.
But there is a chance Bachmann would go with brass.
@@johnd8892 maybe they are bronze. At least they aren't Bachmann's usual square slots. I'll have to watch again Sam's review of this locomotive.
What is good about these reviews of yours is the commentary which is in your usual and laconic style! I think the reason locos arrive with parts falling off is that the packaging is subjected to considerable violence in transit. When you buy something from Hatton's or directly from Hornby's website the packaging is always very careful, but not so with other suppllers. I have found locos where the box is protected with foam are okay, but if bubble wrap has been used, then that does not protect the loco from things falling off. Maybe in your review, you should review how well the item has been packed!
The jubilee: Black 5 two electric boog... wait I’ve done this joke already.-Das Mann
And so I got two of them are LMS Jubilees, There was Kolhapur & Quebec.
The No. 5593 ‘Kolhapur’ was LMS Crimson Livery (as preserved) from 31-175K Collectors Club Limited Edition Model 2007, and No. 45555 ‘Quebec’ was BR Brunswick Green Livery from 30-285 The Midlander Express Train Set.
And so for that (1:24) The No. 45604 'Ceylon' was British Railways Experimental Green Livery with 31-191, will coming on 23rd of August.
Hello there Sam! Great looking loco there! I'm still waiting for the class D51 Japanese locomotive! 🚂🚃🚃💨
Thanks a lot! And ooh that would be amazing to look at! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Exquisite video! Your in-depth reviews are always stunning
Thank you so much - that's very kind!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This very loco was one of the surprise highlights of my purchases last year - an impulse buy in the TMC sale for £100. Beautiful loco, great runner - a bargain, even greater if they're knocking out the same model at £200.
They sold me one for 50
I always find Bachmann’s mechanisms aren’t great, I have a Bachmann 3f and I’ve had it a few years and the square axle slots have knackered it up, still runs just very lumpy and the motor isn’t too great either.
Great video
Cheers Dan :)
Oh yes my fave 4-6-0 locomotive
Amazing review
Also my favourite jubilee class is Australia I saw a picture of it in pich black its lovely to look at
Glad to hear that! And that does sound lovely!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, great review! I've been watching quite a few of your vids recently and I'm always impressed with how in-depth they've become. I have to ask though - what would it take for you to give a 0 star rating in any category? Even in some of the worst you've reviewed the minimum seems to be 1 star. Is 0 a score you would ever give?
o star would be, a clapped out loco that is only fit for the bin, example, a well used not looked after loco, i think sam has had 1 or 2 second hand locos in the past that he was being generous with 1 star.
There is a tried and tested way I use to avoid receiving damaged goods by mail order. I buy from bricks and mortar model shops. I can do deals with them for a reasonable discount usually, order and view before I buy and have a personal relationship with the retailer. If one buys from box shifters these days, it now seems more likely than not, the goods will arrive damaged or with parts seperated. The Jubilee is a very tired model, indeed. There are a few second hand ones around for reasonable money, ironically, from the box shifters.
You could be right - but that's not viable for me - model shops near me sell at near RRP prices, and I do buy lots of models so I can't afford that on a regular basis. Models that I consider to be quality very rarely arrive broken though
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
For me, buying from a brick and motar shop means at least an international travel of around 1000 km by train (distance by rail from Grenoble, my hometown, to Dover, the closest UK city from where I live). So, mail orders only for me, no one sells UK trains in France as far as I know, certainly not in my city, especially while models shops in France are nearly all disappeared. And I spare you the considerations of passing customs due to some recent political changes...
So, all internet ordres from me. Including non-UK trains, bought from Germany, lower price than in France where you always pays the full RRP anywhere you go shopping for model trains.
That is good advise but for many people nowadays they just don’t have a local model shop. My last one closed this Spring due to owner retiring.
Well done again Sam. I love how comprehensive your reviews are. Makes me want to take it out of the box at the shop and check for those indescepancies at the shop.
Cheers mate.
I just love all the transitional era liveries. Tornado's BR apple green, Bude in exchange trials BR malachite green, and this in BR ex-LMS black.
I'm tempted by the br apple green jubilee, since only a handful of locos ever carried that livery. But I've already got one in weathered BR green, sound fitted.
The glue marks are not on, or the loose bit of valve gear. I didn't think the mechanism seemed too bad when I ran mine, since it runs quietly without sound, and can haul 40ish wagons without the torque disappearing.
Have to say, the jubilees are my favourite LMS 4-6-0s, even though I only have 1 and only got it a year ago.
Hi Sam, yes i prefer my locomotives in SHOWROOM condition, beautiful and clean. I will not acquire another Bachmann Jubilee or any other Bachmann steam locomotive until it is retooled with with a upgraded mechanism and roller bearings, and all wheel pick ups. For £200.00 i would expect the QUILL not a locomotive with glue marks . Enjoyed the video Sam thank you 👍🚄🚅
It's amazing how expensive those are. Bachmann prices are hurting my search for a GS-1 in the Daylight livery.
I bought a Bachmann Jubilee some years back when they were retooled for which I paid £80 (RRP at the time!). It was also the last model I bought from my local model shop just before it closed. I was fortunate to get 'Victoria' complete with etched brass nameplates because it was a loco I remembered well from my childhood being a Holbeck loco which passed regularly through my hometown on Leeds-Blackpool services. It was and still is an excellent runner. The finish is also excellent. It would appear from your review that quality has gone south as the ridiculous price hikes have headed skyward!
And old comment I know - but sounds like you have the 2009-11 production run? Did that have proper bearings? Does it run nicely?
I just got the BR experimental green version a couple weeks ago.
Oh wow that sounds lovely - they do look excellent! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I know this is off-topic, but I recently discovered that there are indeed mountain rack railway models. An Austrian company called Ferro has a mountain rail product line in HOn3z scale. They are really expensive though, so I would not recommend rushing into it.
Sam I have a bit of a tip when handling models out of the box, don't hold them by the tender when picking them up from the box. The tender connection spigot can snap will all manufacturers, not only bachmann. It's just more common with bachmann models due to them for the most part being heavier than hornby models. Also with designs like the bachmann one with no fixing in the drawbar, it can unhook, putting the entire weight of the loco on the connection wires or just dropping the loco.
Thanks for the tip! That's right - I don't hold locos with their tenders! I have to lift them that way to give the camera a good view, but I make sure the drawbars are engaged properly... 400+ locos in, and never had an accident!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I'm just wondering, given your prolific output of reviews,do you keep every loco you buy?
Yup! He has over 350 locos! If you look behind him you can see shelves of locos, and that's not even half of them
Yeah I do! They take up a tonne of room xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I hope the motor mechanism in Bachmann's Caledonian 812 is a good one, those models are gorgeous (and pricey)
I hope so too! Their new models do seem to have better motors - usually coreless ones - but they do perform better than these 3 polers!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
My Mainline Railways Jubilee, Leander, came from a table stand on Kidderminster Town Station of Severn Valley Railway status a few years ago. She's a glossy engine of the Bachmann persuasion, and I paid £75 for her. Her first run on my then yet-to-be-named model railway was a great success. She ran on Ryan Ball's railway too, and she hasn't had any problems whatsoever. Leander is the better performer out of the two, so I can highly recommend buying an older Mainline Railways Jubilee engine to you. If you can find one, that is.
Very nice Kelly - surprised to know it's glossy, bet that's quite nice!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
For what it's worth I believe that Bachmann have only re-tooled the Jubilee once, quite a while ago. Product numbers 131-160 and below are based on the old Mainline version with the split chassis (nice enough looking, but that mechanism is very prone to failure after a while). Product numbers above 131-160 are the redone version, finally getting rid of the split chassis. I have examples of both, in LMS livery. It is possible that Bachmann have done additional revisions that I don't know about. I believe I paid £90 for my more recent Jubilee.
The Mainline version have an even worse pancake style motor. Same as the one in Sam's early servicing video on Mainline. I could provide a link but Sam bans them these days.
hey Sam. Really enjoy your reviews. As someone looking to get into OO gauge and with limited space, how trains get round different radius' would be really insightful. Some sort of standard testing (maybe with points!) would be really useful. Just a thought
He did do a few videos on engines going round incredibly tight radious curves. But I agree, a category dedicated to that in standard reviews would be very nice.
@@Deuce_and_a_half hey yeah I saw those and really fun but yeah, would be nice to incorporate 'this is the train going round a radius 4,3,2,1 curve. I know the manufactures put a minimum radius on their stats but this is rarely accurate
@@stuartjohnellis the manufacturers 99% of the time say they are rated for radious 2 and higher. Even if the model is capable of a lower radious.
I have the Bachmann S100 (USA Dock tank) and the instructions say radious 2. Even though they were used in Southampton docks for their short wheel base and capability of going round tight curves.
Pretty sure they do it like that just in case something happens. Why complicate yourself in making sure a model can do tight curves if most people have radious 2. It's standard after all.
if you have limited space for a layout, use older locos from hornby and lima with 1st radius curves, the bogies/wheelset swing more round these curves, if you want modern locos from hornby, bachmann, dapol and vitrains with 2nd radius curves, the bogies/wheelset swing less round these curves, most or all modern locos don't like going round 1st radius curves, they will not go round it or fall off.
7.5 I'd give it. Despite the square axle slots on them, I've got one myself and it's a fabulous runner and model. The tooling is very old though. I think something like 20 years maybe. I have heard the new Jubilees are very much improved and are superior apparently.
That's fair enough Matthew - it is a lovely looking loco, and it does run surprisingly well!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Although brass bushes/bearings obviously better, why is Bachmann's no bearing method badcwhen oftennthey still run really well?
Would you say they ware out quicker?
They do look similar to the Black 5 but with wheels arches,
At least there's 4 of them in preservation. Both the LMS Black 5 and
LMS Jubilee are my favorite LMS locomotives that were ever built
I don't mind a weathered box car or two...but I"m with you Sam- I like my loco's looking their best. I don't even mind an occasional building a bit weathered and distressed too...
Great video as always Sam. It's pretty scary paying a lot of money for a model and straight out of the box there are problems........seems to be very common.
Yep - it certainly is pretty common - quite a serious problem as prices continue to increase!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Nice review sam, this steam locomotive reminds me of the lms prince and black 5
The jubilee is a modified version of the black 5!
very elegant loco indeed! and perhaps the black color added a nice shroud of mystery to the looks?
Please review the Hornby Scotrail Class 153.
Nice idea! I'll look into it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I notice you had a bit of fun with the valvegear.
I'm in the process of replacing the valvegear on my Kolhapur and cannot believe how complicated it is - and difficult!!
Tell you what - remove the coupling rods and see how free-running the driving wheels actually are, square-cut channels or not.
I found the Jubilee underpowered - and mine has a replacement motor as well.
Despite that, I love Stanier locomotives as well!
Al.
These videos are going a long way to keeping me entertained while in my second isolation sam
Ahh that's good to hear Harry - hope you're staying safe!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains thanks Sam much appreciated
A brand new price of ~£80 does make me wonder if the glue marks made it a discounted model. Either that or a flash sale. I have a Bachmann Jubilee, which is Kolhapur from 2009 and it does seem that nothing has changed in the intervening years to the 2016 Madras. My experience of it are very similar to your review... looks stunning, runs extremely well for the mechanism. There are no glue marks on it though and it was purchased second hand for not much less than what you paid for Madras. My own opinion is it's worthy of a price tag brand new over ~£110, but as you say the mechanism should be up to date for £200. Great review, thanks.
They somehow made a beautiful engine look more beautiful in model form. I would love one in a dark red LMS livery
Yeah they did actually, lol! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Your review of Bachmann models is spot on. My Stanier mogul has great detail and is a beautiful model but I had problems with the build quality. Within a minute of unboxing it ground to a stop. When I took engine apart two of the four screws that hold the engine in place were missing. After a couple of tries it would not move. I had to take apart the gear train and found the screws inside the drive gear. I was shocked by the poor assembly of the motor for the price (did not pay msrp but it was more expensive than my Hornbys). Looking at the inside the mogul was better quality than the Jubilee. At least there are brass bearings and tender pick up plus an addition support for the motor.
Brass is a bad bearing material but Bronze is excellent. Hope what you thought were brass bearings were bronze.
Bronze bearings can be designed to be porous and soaks up oil and do continuously lubricates.
A commercial product are Oilite bearings.
Oilite have a Wikipedia page for more info.
But there is a chance Bachmann would go with brass.
@@johnd8892 You are correct, the bronze Bachmann used on the model is yellow similar to brass but without the shine.
I agree whith you Sam regarding the bouild.
qauality when it comes to bachmann.
It is a shame that the boiler has glue marks and some of the moving parts came lose during transport.
Keep up the good work Sam.
👍👍👍🇸🇪
I think that I could have predicted the outcome here, excitement followed by disappointment from the usual Bachmann flare. We really need to see whether the new models have addressed the shortcomings, one can only hope at £200.
haha yeah - it is fairly predictable isn't it? As far as I know they haven't retooled the Jub... they certainly didn't say so in their announcement video!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, your great now was this British Railways Lined Black Livery, an my was Unrebuilt Patriot Class also is British Railways Lined Black Livery (no same lined) was No. 45506 ‘The Royal Pioneer Corps’ from 31-210K Collectors Club.
Thanks a lot Harry - that one sounds lovely too! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Another good review, How about checking out Bachmann's new Siemens Midwest Charger SC-44.
Sounds good Peter - I can certainly look into that! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Greetings Sam.
I wanted to thank you for recommending the Bachmann BR Class 37 to me. I have recently acquired one of my one and it is great. I will definitely enjoy having it in my collection. Thank you - Luke 😉
Ahh that's a pleasure - terribly good locos those! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I'm also in for a Bachmann Class 37, but they have zero BR green period 5... So, I'm waiting for the Accurascale one.
@@OlivierGabin maybe look on ebay or hattons for a BR green bachmann loco body or a clapped out/not working BR green bachmann class 37.
Yes!! This was the first loco I ever bought! My one was the orion though
My jubilee was silver jubilee, the first class member
Hi Sam, another good loco review. Does the Jubilee have "water gauges" in the cab? I didn't notice any. Regards, Alan.
Now that you have a jubilee class, a coronation class, a princess royal class, and a Fowler, you can recreate the Harrow and Wealdstone train disaster!
Recently bought one of these but didn’t realise how early it was, undoubtedly one not long out of Mainline branding, and bought for current used prices for a much newer one, and was surprised to find moulded cab handrails instead as separate as most mainline models were very well finished for the era. It was a double chimney example and specifically Bahamas which I was lucky enough to have a driving experience on so naturally that was the example I wanted, and it was I guess the ‘Scotsman tax’ on a known and as preserved loco but definitely wasn’t worth the money, even less so than these newer ones
I got one of these (45611 Hong Kong) DCC fitted for £110. Been running it in tandem with my 8F 48151 recently
Hey Sam could you maybe do a video comparing the hornby black five and royal scot against the Bachmann jubilee and patriot
I think the jubilee class looks quite smart in that livery
I liked the Jubilees and they looked good in BR's LNW lining (when clean!). I remember Madras taking me from Watford Jct. to (old) Euston once; possibly I was going to Central Hall to see a modelrailway exhibition.
Wow that LMS jubilee class is very fancy
As you say Sam
Nice looking model and probably ok value for what you paid, but certainly no more
Nick Australia
Nice review on the Bachmann Jubilee locomotive! Overall, the locomotive is pretty good except for the glue marks and as you mentioned, the poor mechanism. But everything else is ok.
Thanks very much! Yeah overall not too bad - glad I didn't pay more though!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
How much difference is there in costs of the motors. Oh, saw an old video of yours when you had a Lego Tunnel. Your very very good at this Mr Sam 🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🥳
I wanna get a bachmann jubilee for a possible custom
Awesome! Good luck!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam. Could the problems with the loco be the reason it was so cheap?
Things are sometimes cheap for a reason
Shouldn't be - it was purchased brand new!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
as someone has said, cheap for a reason, me thinks, bachmann released this loco quickly before someone else did.
The Bachmann satin finish looks nice, better than most Hornby stuff actually.
Yeah that's true - it does look good! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I've started following your videos recently, as I'm planning my first layout - I decided to treat myself for my 66th birthday, which is TODAY! But, can I ask why you have your layout on the floor? I would assume there are some issues with that...harder to view at eye level, fluff in the locos, not possible to add ballast and scenery etc? Any thoughts on why you prefer that would be interesting to see.BTW, 'warming to the coal'...nice line. ;)
i think sam has his layout this way to save time and money having a layout nailed to the floor and easier to replace track etc, there should not be issues with bits of fluff in locos, coaches etc if the room is regularly cleaned.
Will you ever change your layout? This isn’t hate I’m just wondering because it could be bigger and better for the haulage test again it’s just an idea love your reviews
I do wish that Bachmann and Hornby would update their tooling on the classic Stanier locomotives. For 160GBP I'd love to have a high spec Black Five or Jubilee. The Hornby one runs well but looks old, and the Bachmann one looks beautiful but has a poorer mechanism. Perhaps Dapol or Accurascale could take the plunge?
comes down to £££, keep using the old tooling to keep £££ down, use a new tooling, the £££ will go up and that £££ is passed onto the customer, if dapol or accurascle do release a stanier black five or jubilee, they will use a new tooling and the £££ would be £200+.
Sam, have you ever done a review of a Stirling Single engine? nice review as always, I just recently subscribed bc I know you make quality videos. 👍
I haven't sadly - couldn't afford the rapido one, as much as I wanted to!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Their needs to be a Narrow Gauge Model Railway. OO9 scale narrow gauge railway. Narrow gauge railway’s, in my opinion, are cool and I would like to see Mr.Sam start his own Narrow gauge model railway.
It honestly makes you wonder what these manufacturers are thinking when they set the RRP! I agree with the price you paid and I would call that a good deal because it is a nice loco but not worth £200! Great review as always Sam!
agree at the inflated price, but, that is manufacturers for ya, profit before quality.
Literally just bought this model a week ago and got it running a double header with Jubilee class 45565 'Victoria'
Oh wow! I bet that looks amazing! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
If I had just purchased a new locomotive for a considerable sum, I would be quite pi**ed off if I found those dreadful bearings inside. I don't understand it. I have only Tri-ang and early Hornby locos. Even the 1959 ones have round holes for the axles, and they are still good over 60 years later. The Hornby ones from the early 1980s have brass bearings. That's 38 years ago. How hard can it be to change the casting and at least make them U shaped. No wonder people have a jaundiced attitude to modern things. Still, it does look lovely 😊 Cheers and glad to see you didn't wilfully damage it for once 😄
I have the 2014 25th anniversary one. It came with 45552 silver jubilee, a class 47, and a wooden collection box. I got given the jube second hand, so I don't have anything else from the set. Just recently fixed her back up back in February after 2 years on the sidelines. Only issue is, it has the space for a nameplate, but no actual nameplate. Any ideas were I could get a set?
Oh wow! That sounds like something pretty special! Hmm that's an odd one - I'm sure there's a company that produces etched ones!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
shawplan would be my first area to look for nameplates.
Hey sam, i know this is a bit of a stretch for you but I'd love to see your thoughts on my favorite company's new HO/OO scale line, my favorite company lionel trains founded in 1900 recently released an HO scale line, they are only American locomotives but figured you'd still be interested, they run between 100 for just the loco or 200 to 300 for a set, they are high quality and lionel has beautiful sound features on all of them, I'd love to hear your thoughts as lionel is widely considered the best maker of model trains in the world branching out to many different scales, Standard Guage, O Gauge, S Gauge, HO Gauge, and G Gauge
Prior to WW2 Lionel made a range of OO scale 1/76 ratio trains with 19 mm (3/4 inch) gauge track.
Only loco I have seen from that short lived Lionel range was a die cast scale NYC Hudson. There are a few videos on UA-cam of Lionel OO or,00.
@@johnd8892 ive never heard about prior ww2 but i have post ww2, and they recently as of 2019 released a line of modern HO/OO stuff, consisting of a few sets and such
I'm with you on the clean loco look Sam. I actually wish manufacturers could replicate the deep glossy finish of museum preserved steam locos.
they can and have done but it looks a bit tacky. it loses its sense of scale.
Great looking locomotive there Sam you can say what you like about bachmann steam but I like them and will continue buying them regardless of what you say.
Thanks a lot David - and that's fair enough - it's a good job people do!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Lovely review again Sam. I'm pondering whether this one in particular, for the price you paid, has come from some Seconds batch or something nonetheless, since it has so many optical manufacturing and transport imperfections... Would that be possible you think...?
Although rubbish, were the motors of these consistent from sample to sample, then the highest price in my head would touch 80 Sterling perhaps. However, not even being competent to deliver consistent working locos, how most silly is that...
You know most people appreciate your honesty in reviews. The haters are embarrassing themselves at this point. :o
haha I'm glad you think so - I always tell it like it is!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Called Jubs as you may have seen on Wikipedia but I have always heard this pronounced Jubes. Being an abbreviation of Jubilee.
Could be wrong though not being around to hear them described by spotters etc in normal service.
Very sad to see those "square bearings" on a model with that high RRP...
Also, disappointing to see that valve gear part had fallen off... not everyone will be able to repair it...
I watched because I like Jubilee steam engines, LMS being my favourite of the big 4...
I do hope it gives you more enjoyment as the years pass, because as you say, it is a fine looking model...
Great review...
Smashing Episode, Sam!
As the old sayings go ... " Don't judge a book by it's cover " and " All fur coat and no knickers " . They seem to apply in this case .
haha very much so David! xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This is the most beautiful locomotive in my collection
The crankpin screw is because that rod over the crank needs to clear it? So nothing that protrudes out can be used. I don't really see many other solutions, except maybe to use a Torx screw where the spline for the driver almost looks like a round hole.
Yup - but the simple solution is to incline the cam outwards a few mm and use a regular crank pin - Hornby always do valve gear this way and it looks much better! It also provides better clearance between moving parts; pretty important given the amount of 'slop' of the valve gear in most models... hence why I've had quite a few Bachmann locos go 'clicky' or in extreme cases seize up entirely!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have the previous incarnation of this "Drake" (socket is in the loco) I bought it in 2012 DCC fitted for £65.00 from Hattons. It runs great still and I bought another a few years later "Kolhapur" (socket in loco). My only gripe is the tender to loco drawbar, they are prone to coming uncoupled.
I have Hong Kong and totally concur. That tender bar is such a pain.
Sam this a very beauty loco i have also one a br lined early green from a starter set. Nice video as always!
Thanks a lot Marco - ahh that sounds lovely, bet that's a fab livery! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I never heard of a running plate. Isn't it called the footplate? It really dates from when the fireman had to walk round the loco while running, in order to oil, manually.
Hi Sam! Thanks for another enjoyable review! If you don't mind me asking, what loco would recommend to a beginner or a casual user like me? Thanks, Bhargav
for a beginner, a cheap second hand loco, for a casual, a new loco or better running loco.
I'm hoping to get 45654 'Hood' in BR Green wt Electrification stripe as it's finally arrived where I live. I'm after that specific member of the class (and a certain earlier member) since it shares it's name with the famous battlecruiser.
I wonder how long Bachmann's 3-pole mechanism has been in development... In spite of their simplicity, they manage to produce some excellent crawls
I’m starting to get the feeling these deep discounts and price drops are probably because of the finish issues, kinda a “scratch n dent” kind of deal, if you know what I mean. Doesn’t excuse the awful mechanisms, but that’s pretty much a hallmark of Bachmann no matter where you are in the world
or sent the finished locos out the door without a full inspection before sending out the door, seems bachmann can't sell a steam loco with a decent pulling reliable motor in it, but, they can sell a diesel loco with decent pulling reliable motor in it
I disagree with your assesment of the loco-tender connection. I think that connections which can be easily separated are far better than (for example) the original Hornby Hogwarts Castle (which I believe was based on the Airfix Castle) which requires a screw to be undone every time you want to remove the tender, and then a delicate operation to reinsert all of the components of the link in the right places (a spring desinged to ensure electrical contact makes this a nightmare) before putting the screw back in, being careful not to overtighten it (which will pull out the piece of plastic which receives the screw, and means that you will have to hold the whole lot together with tape in future). When you have a mechanical issue on the loco, and need to take it apart to fiddle and then re-assemble to test multiple times, this becomes incredibly frustrating. I would have thought this system to be an improvement.
I know the regulator handle is separately fitted, found that out the hard way
@Nathaniel Aberdein no it most certainly didnt
Great vid.. I have just got bought 3 2nd hand 4-6-0 of different makes n colours, black 5, BR green and a LMS Red.... good review... oh and a Ps.. its Ma Dras not Mad ras.. its a place in India its also a hot Curry :) but you might know this.. :)
You always apologise if you made a mistake lol don't know what the haters are on about. That time when you reviewed the Heljan Metropolitan Electric, you didn't put the loco on the track properly for the slow speed test, which really didn't affect the slow speed performance all that much, and you still addressed the minor mistake. :D
haha don't worry - I'm not really bothered, I just like to straighten the record from time to time! Yep that's right - everyone makes mistakes, but I do my best not to!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Honestly, I follow you because you are clear on the review process, and have one pretty well made to have a solid opinion based on facts. It's worth my time to see your videos, even for models I won't buy, like this one (mainline engine while I'm modelling branchlines).
For the haters, my policy is to avoid them. I had some fights on the internet with trolls in the past, I had enough of them to not sign up for other pointless non-debates. It's useless to do so for me.
Thanks for not giving the game away in the title! I like to be kept in some suspense…
So, comparison with cars in a nutshell :
-engine overall look : 2010 vintage Ford Focus
-motor and drivetrain : late 1940's Ford Anglia
-finish of this model : 1970 Lada 1300 with drunk workers at the paint shop
-price : 2020 BMW series 7
For the finish, it's an Heljan-like botched work, great you got it fo GBP 80. I'm waiting to see their new V2, I've got the preceding model which is blatantliy outdated (and awfully noisy), and the new one is announced for an RRP of GBP 220... It is a completely retooled, but, as far as I have seen the pre-production sample pictures, Bachmann had succeeded to do their Hornby with a blind axle for the pony truck at the rear... The one I've got have a laterally sliding axle with real flanges, go figure...
I have not received yet my J27, so, I cannot tell you in how many parts it will arrive at my home, and how much loose would the coupling rods be... Sincerely, when I'm seeing the very variable quality of the UK model trains, coupled with an steadily increasing price (sole and only hobby where the prices had not, at least, stay stable in real money, corrected from inflation, since the 1980s), I am wondering why I'm still modelling this. Especially when I made a comparison with my italian engines (Roco plus Rivarossi for the steam ones, add Piko and Brawa for the diesels). If I would start modelling trains today, with the knowledge of the market I've got, sincerely, I would certainly scrap the idea of doing UK trains. Fortunately, there is stronger reasons for me to keep on doing, and not because I've got a noticeable amount of rolling stock.
As you said, overpriced and low quality, a model you can avoid.
Is the argument over bearings vs slotted axles really an issue? Does it make a difference to running, dare I say playing? Will it wear out quicker with no bearings? Is there a like-for-like comparison available?
Hello Michael, you will find square slots wear bigger which leads to the axles moving backwards and forwards untill they wear out at least with a bearing you can replace it when it wears and it runs like new again, I run a large 00 garden railway and have stopped buying Bachman steam locomotives as they wear out to quick for the high price you pay, there diesels fare a lot better though and I still purchase them, I haven't answered your question in any great detail Micheal but I hope it's been a help, kindest regards Paul.
You do excellent reviews Sam but as far as Bachmann are concerned now, I won't buy any more they have totaly been out priced for me. I'm now sticking with Hornby, although their prices have been increased by 12% since the begining of August that' way above inflation, how do they warrant this?
I like the Jazz, a touch of Charlie Brown there.
haha glad to hear it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great video sam i hope if you review the new Bachmann jubilee it isn't as bad quality as this
They haven't retooled it as far as I'm aware!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains The only thing they have retooled, it's the pricetag.