Bachmann LMS Patriot Class | Unboxing & Review
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Fowler Tenders are truly beautiful. Bachmann's coal load is unique too, never seen a coal load that wasn't full to the top
Yeah I think so too - just so lovely!! :D
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I believe it dates back to when motors were in the tender, the toolings had full tenders to leave space for the motor, so most older toolings have full tenders
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Can’t wait until the stream tomorrow- I can see that you have some exciting new locos!
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Beautiful model Sam! Can’t wait for the replica to be completed!
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i’m new to trains and i am in love with steam locomotives! especially this one thanks Sam!!
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An amazing videos Sam. Really enjoyed hearing the history on the magnificent model. Can not wait to see more videos like this. An amazing loco very interesting. Hope you enjoy your new locomotive. Take care of yourself
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Great review Sam I have duke of Sutherland but in the old hornby tender drive and it is really good
Thanks a lot David - ahh yes the Hornby ones were always lovely! :D
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18:55 What an amazing shot of all 3 locomotives running at the same time! :D
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The LMS crimson looks great on that loco!
Amazing review as always Sam!
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Thanks DJ - I think it does too! :D
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Great video
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Hi Sam, great video as always. I would like to recommend the Bachmann standard 3MT tank engine, it is a lovely model and works🤞really well
Thanks very much Bob - yes I'll be looking into that one soon hopefully! :D
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"Knocked for six". I had to look that one up. I'm always learning something from Sam's videos - usually about British rail - now about UK slang and cricket.
haha - I'm full of horrible phrases, lol! ;D
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Suppose I will have to explain to my history teacher why I'm taking a 30 minute break from my schoolwork...
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Hi Sam. Thanks for reviewing this great looking patriot, I'd put my money down on a hornby one though as you say far superior mechanism. Cheers mate keep up the good work 👍
Yeah definitely - much cheaper too of course! :O
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I must say that this is beautiful, and the reason why I am late is because i was watching a film with the family and then had to run to Tesco
Thanks a lot mate, that's okay - hope you had a good time! :D
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5541
Built: 1933
Numbers: 5541, M5541, 45541
Names: Duke Of Sutherland
Class: Patriot
Configuration: 4-6-0
Rebuilt: N/A
Withdrawn: 1962
Status: Scrapped
Thanks for sharing Luke, that's very cool to learn! :D
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nice video sam it looks wonderful i think its the livery that does it for me ive gotta get a maroon lms engine as soon as i can : )
Thanks a lot mate, yeah I agree - such a great livery! :D
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Excited for the live!
Thank you!! :D
I have the Bachmann Jubilee. It has a similar mechanism. It's coming apart and going to rebuild it so it looks and performs like a hornby loco which should bring it up to standard with all my other express engines, all of which except the jubilee are hornby
Ahh okay - I'm not surprised that those are similar! Hope your rebuild goes well! :D
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Trying to multitask right now. On TSW waiting for a class 31 hauled railtour on the East Coastway while watching. Just found a nice trick to see the railtour with a loco of your choice by choosing the loco, then leaving the train and riding on the train to Eastborne. The railtour will be close behind, so you can get off wherever you want to see it!
Ooh sounds like quite a challenge - good luck mate! ;D
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I will order my Patriot soon. Can't wait to see The Unkown Warrior when it is done. Will be very interesting to see another Fowler design on the mainline again.
Oh fantastic - I can't wait either!! :D
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Lucky enough to see several prototypes at Bristol TM in the early 60's when I was a train spotting kid .Didn't see many as (as you said ) they started scrapping them early doors .
Very impressive Geoffry - wish I could have seen some! Fantastic!! :O
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I have the exact loco u have Sam it’s not a bad loco could of done with tender pick ups but the detail is it great 👍🏻
This engine looks marvellous. We may not have any of the original LMS Patriots around anymore, but at least one new member is being rebuilt from scratch, which of course is the Unknown Warrior.
Thanks Tomas - yes it's lovely isn't it?! :D
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Lovely, can't wait for the W1 Hush Hush
Me too - that's going to be awesome!! :D
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I'm loving all the reviews on the locomotives Sam.
Glad you like them mate! :D
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The red paint is beautiful, I think it’s called Tuscan red Pennsylvania railroad had locomotives painted in this stunning red!
The LMS Always described their livery as Crimson Lake but it’s probably a very similar shade
Thomas Thornton thanks for the info I’m very interested in British steam locomotives!
Thanks for this folks - yes I think we call it Crimson Lake! :D
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Another good review, Sam! I think that it wouldn't be that difficult to fit tender pickups and wire them up accordingly. I'm sure that you could retrofit a different motor in to the Bachman Patriot.
Thanks very much mate - yes that's true - it can be done, but the point was that it was unacceptable for them not to be factory fitted! Yes a new motor would make a big difference too! :D
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I have 5530 Sir Frank Ree and yes it has tender pickups and a 21 pin socket. Mine also came with etched nameplates. Although mine seems to be missing the steps and doors in the packet and it was purchased new.
Ooh that's good to hear! Do you know whether the loco mechanism has seen any upgrades?!
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Ah, the unrebuilt Pats. Famous for - the 2hr London-Birmingham flyers, the Manchester/Liverpool-Glasgow trains and the Liverpool (both from Lime Street and Exchange) - Newcastle trains, although they usually were engine swapped at Leeds City. Oh, and used to be often seen doing the London-Blackpool trains too.
Thanks for the comment Robert - wish I could have seen one of the originals :(
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I've got a Patriot Class one myself with the LMS red livery on it. It was in Hornby's Railroad range in the early 2010's
Ahh lovely - yes those are way better runners than this one! :D
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Lms crimson has to be my favourite livery!😄
I know it - so lovely!! :D
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The odd one out: the k1 at toytown south- it's a mogul!
Very well spotted lettuce - that's it! :D
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That is indeed a beautiful Model. Shame that the mechanism lets it down so much.
I'd have to say that the new one, having the electronics in the Tender, SHOULD have Tender pickups.
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haha glad to hear that Carmine! Yeah I agree - it's a shame! Others have said the latest releases do have some pickups on the tender - at least! :D
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18:30 motor swap: you may be able to up-spec the motor to five-pole, by keeping the motor shell and just change the armature for a five. this requires some careful measuring and sourcing. alternatively remove the armature windings, skew the armature plates a few degrees (5/6/7 deg?? ish), then replace the windings. when you rewind you can use different gauge wire and / or more / fewer turns to up the current flow - and thus the power characteristics of the motor. standard slot racing tactic back in the mid sixties.
Yes I've often thought of it Raymond - I keep searching for a suitable replacement - your idea sounds very interesting!!
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Awesome video today Sam beautiful locomotive such a shame about the motor issue I might get the hornby One
Thanks James! Yes the Hornby ones run much better! :D
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Picked mine up for £60 in a local 2nd hand shop. I haven't had any issues with motor performance with it, but it does seem a bit short on haulage power compared to other locos in my collection. Does look beautiful though
£60 is much much more like it - glad to hear yours run well too! Yes I've had a few other comments saying theirs are weak too!
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Great review Sam!
Thank you! :D
No prob :)
A real beauty, I have the hornby Patriot Bradshaw in BR Brunswick Green.
Thanks Alex - yes I have that one too - a far superior mechanism on those!
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My quest to see the class 31 railtour was successful! Shame the service in front didn't stop at every station, but at least I saw it!
Ahh fantastic to hear that - well done!! :D
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My later version 31-204 Sir Frank Ree does have a slightly more detailed cab and tender pickups. Looking at the exploded view of the mechanism, it looks the same.
Ahh glad to hear they made some small improvements then - still, that mechanism is very poor for the price!
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Great vid Sam. I'd rather have the hornby or mainline any day! Mainlines run great when converted to dcc.
Thanks a lot Matthew - yeah other brands offer much better mechanisms than this!
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Bit more about this loco:
Numbers: 5903, 5541,45541
Names: Duke Of Sutherland
Built: August 1933 at Crewe
Rebuilt: -
Withdrawn: June 1962
Many thanks for the extra info Luke! :D
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I love the Patriot class, and Bachmann do seem to make the best detailed model... but given the very iffy mechanism, I think I'll stick with my Hornby Patriots - I have an old one and a newer one, and they're both solid runners, and good looking on the layout from a distance, even if they show up a bit against the Bachmann when you get close to some of the detailing.
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Yeah I've picked up some great stuff from there too! :D
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Thanks so much mate, that's lovely to hear! :D
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It reminds me a lot of Big City Engine in The Railway Series, he appeared in the episode in "Gordon Goes Foreign" in Eight Famous Engines, episode planned for the second season but it was canceled due to the big budget to build locomotives, stations and wagons. Too bad we didn't get to see Big City Engine in the series.
Ive been watching you for 4 years now! :DD And you still seem to impress me with these reviews! Awesome video!
Thanks so much mate, that's lovely to hear! :D
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No proper bearings on a loco that expensive! That's awful!
I agree mate!
A friend runs a large layout with mainly bachmann and his locos clock colossal mileages a year. He's never had any trouble with any post split chassis bachmann locos wearing out, so really don't get too hung up about the wheel bearings
@@TIMMEH19991 I agree, it depends on how often you run the locomotives and at what speeds.
I would still buy it
Hell, I probably broke my Scotsman while it was going like 100mph
That does look stunning in the LMS Maroon, a shame about the motor, for me that makes it a no buy. Not much point buying a loco with a bad mechanism. It was nice seeing the Applegreen Patriot running again, I remember seeing that in one of your videos from way back. I really think it fits the rebuilt Patriot.
Also, the odd one out is the D49.
Thanks a lot Patrick - I know mate, it's such a let down :(
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Beautiful locomotive!!!
Thanks Lane! :D
When looking at old pictures of the new Patriot, one set of shots that intrigues me shows the loco with its smokebox, but no boiler (or side rods or tender). I've also been considering incorporating a boiler-less image when developing a background for my Urie G16 OC.
Ahh interesting! I'll have to look up those photos!
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“Unknown Warrior”, what an interesting name for a rebuilt version of the Patriot Class locomotive! :P
haha it's not rebuilt if you get what I mean! LOL
They named it unknown warrior as they started the project off with the charity help for heroes who are a charity that support all British military personnel who have been injured in the line of duty. The name comes from a soldier who couldn't be identified after WW1.
Yeah I think so too - a very cool name! :D
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hi sam, great video as always, could you do a pre grouping and or southern running day, also do you have any advice on making model train videos?
Thanks a lot Alex - yeah I did a pre-grouping one already! :D
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Speaking of fowler, I got the BR black 4p tank engine and it is very impressive. Also, do you still have that mainline collet goods loco because maybe you could do another review on it?
Great to hear that Jacob - yes they are amazing models! Yes I do have the Collett, and I will be reviewing a later Bachmann version! :D
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Couldn't you just solder in a new 5 poll motor in place of the 3 poll one, that should be possible right?
Great review
Thank you! :D
Brilliant review Sam out of all the ngines you own what is your favourite?
Thanks a lot! Probably the Bachmann C1 for me! :D
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hello sam i went on hattons and the one on there is £152 and im wondering if i should give it a try and I think the LMS maroon on this model looks so beautiful and will you be getting the new one and love the video from david
Ahh that's not too bad, still quite a lot though, given the mechanism :(
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Very nice review and very nice looking locomotive! Also, I know this is a question that is not about this product but how can I preorder a Hornby Rolex anniversary set? Thanks and have a good day!
Thanks a lot mate! They may have all sold out on pre-order now, but it's worth looking it up on a few retailers! :D
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@@SamsTrains Thanks for getting back with me Sam! I figured that to be so since it has been about 6 months when they announced it. Thanks again and I will see you later on your live stream!
I love watching all the rods moving and I found out yesterday that some John bull toys are oo scale
Thanks a lot Alex - ooh that sounds pretty cool!! :D
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Hi Sam. I have got one of the newer ones from Bachmann. Can't remmber how much I paid. Mine is a BR green one. It's got the 21 pin DCC socket in. It does have tender pick ups. The Cab detail is a bit better. But I would say the mechanism is the same as yours. I find it a little under powered. I have the latest Hornby one which is a great model it's much heavier and can pull more. But the newer bachmann one comes with etched name plates in the extra detail
Thanks very much for confirming Jason - very interesting! Yes I've always found mine a bit on the weak side too :/
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Hi Sam your Patriot has a very nice lining I really like it. it is a shame about the mechanism. The detail is very goo with all the detail Great Video
Thanks very much mate, yes this is so lovely looking, but not a great performer :(
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The Patriot Locomotives look so nice, but I wished that there was one preserved instead of scrapping them all, however I am happy that there is one new one being built.
Thanks Lewis - yeah me too, it's a shame isn't it? :(
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Great vid sam keep it up
Thanks very much Macauley! :D
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I allways mix these up with the Scot class lol 😂
Thx
Ben
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haha yeah - they were very very similar!
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I have the old hornby railways duke of Sutherland and I love it.
Ooh nice - those are real classics! :D
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Saw a Patriot in the early 60's at Leicester London Road Station. Very unusual, great excitment for us young trainspotters.
Ooh very nice - that must have been amazing to see!! :D
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is the bachmann motor common to most of their types? maybe you could find a wrecked engine and salvage its motor?
would be curious to know if you could fit one of those replacement 5-pole motors anyway.
sad that it has overheating problems when they could have used that metal plate as a heatsink.
Yes, they use this model very often in their models! I'm yet to find a good replacement, but I am looking!
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We need an Oxford modell review in the near future....i cant see this anymore!
Bachmann: Good Details, Stupid Mechanism
Horby: Good Mechanism, 80% Plastic.....
And the sentence "i cant see this anymore!" was more a funny way!
Keep the good work Sam! 😂👍🏻
haha I know! More Oxford coming soon mate!! :D
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I thought is was an older model due to the space between loco and tender. It is a lovely model.
Yes it's a shame about that - can be adjusted though I think! :D
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Given that they are both models of the same locomotive, there might be a way to fettle the bachmann bodywork to accept a Hornby railroad chassis, might be worth checking the retailers (or eBay) for a cheap pre-owned railroad patriot and try fitting the bachmann bodywork to it
Yes I've thought about that too Simon - never tried it as of yet though!
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Is there enough space to replace that 3-pole with one on the 5-poles that you bought Sam?
There may be, but it's not an easy job - the mountings are very different :(
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Hi Sam. As you say, externally it is a beautiful model. Do you mean that the Bachmann and Chinese motors are completely incompatible? Presumably, you couldn't swap the Hornby motor for the Bachmann?
Cheers Paul - the ones I've tried are completely incompatible unfortunately :(
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I remember that some of the more modern lms patriot the ones with the more standard boiler were name after country’s of Canada like Ontario, New Brunswick the list goes on.
Ahh very cool - I hadn't made that connection before! :O
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45500 - 45551 were the Patriots. The engines youre talking about is the Stanier development of them, the Jubilees numbers 45552-45742
Like so many locos Sam, they seem to be made for static display not regular operations due to the poor mechanisms used. I became very disheartened with after long running sessions, the coupling rods would wear at the pins that fixed them to the wheels. Locos that are now over 40 years old, don't have the problem at all...Ah well that's my moan of the day...Thanks again for your frank and honest review...Bob
Yeah you're right Bob - it's a great shame about that really :(
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Great glass case modellers item. Sensible idea to review the Bachmann back catalogue rather than buying new! When you undid it I noticed it had a nylon gear like the loco in the Hornby Anglian Set, which also has no tender pickups. The Bachmann Patriot must be a version of the earlier Mainline model since Kader Industries which owns Bachmann bought out Palitoy which owned Mainline. I think the re-use of old tooling to create a new release of a model at high price is one of the oldest tricks in the book! Thanks for uploading.
Thanks Allen - yes I couldn't justify the recent asking price, for sure! This isn't based on the Mainline though - that one was much more basic!
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Do you have all your engines in shelfs? Or are some in boxes? And how much engines do you have?
Yeah mostly they're on shelves - I have round 400! :O
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5541 Duke Of Sutherland?
Now you need 6233 Duchess Of Sutherland XD
haha that'd be awesome!! xD
I have both by hornby but they are tender driven versions
Cool model. Return cranks are the wrong way round for piston valve
4:55 The front set of bogey wheels looks pretty weird when the Patriot Class is lifted off the ground.
Ooh yeah!! ;D
I really like engines with smoke deflectors
Yeah me too actually! :D
I have the exact same Patriot, love the model, a bargain for the £85 I paid, though I could never pay £180 for such model
Ahh fantastic - they were a far better purchase when they were at those prices!
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Hornby has the rebuilt Patriots which they are still available on their website and the retailers also have them Sam's Trains.
Thanks! I will look out for one!! :D
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Greetings from SC! I’d say the color is a nice RWS James color.
Greetings - I'd love to visit South Carolina some day!! :D
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Well I'm back now actually, came back on Monday xD
Your right it is old my great grandfather had one of this exact one
Ooh fantastic - this came out in 2008 I'm told! :D
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Hope to see a rivarossi lms patriot review on this channel otherwise this will be a great channel on top of others
Yeah I've been looking at those - I'd love to know what they're like! :D
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hi sam awesome video and is there a stream tomorrow cause i need to wake up early thx hope your well.
Thanks so much! Yes I have one at 2pm (BST)
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Plus I love the LMS Crimson color.
Me too mate! :D
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Oh drat! What an absolutely beautiful loco, but that mechanism though. :( I wish I could find one of the newer ones from the retailers, but I can’t seem to find any!
Thanks a lot mate - yeah I know, really disappointing! Bachmann have announced some new batches though! :D
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Sam do you run live steam 3.5” gauge or 5” gauge in addition to these 00 gauge and 0 gauge models?
I don't Dan - but I'd love to!! :O
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I think the LMS maroon is the best livery yet Sam what’s your favourite livery
Thanks mate, yeah it has to be one of the best! I really love the SECR Green! :D
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I wonder if you could modify the Bachmann body on the Hornby chassis (bit of lockdown kit bashing)?
I've thought about that - well worth trying some time! :D
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This is steam locomotive LMS Sam's train it's wonderful actually. When u has steam how do you know that things.
Thanks a lot mate! I read up on these locos quite a bit! :D
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Couldn't you fit a 5 pole motor into it? or are there dimensional variations?
Not easily - I'm yet to find a motor that fits (or nearly fits), I am on the look out though! :D
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Hi sam i don't suppose you have any idea of which model railway retailers deliver the fastest.
That's a good question! In my experience, Hatton's and Kernow are by far the fastest! :D
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