All the criticism really makes you wonder how they are so sure. I’ll be honest I know nothing about the Book of Mormon. But what I do know is I live in WV where I am surrounded by mounds everywhere. My fiancé is a union pipefitter that works in new constructions all the time. When they go to put a foundation 9 times out of 10 it’s a archeological site. There is really no history prior to precolumbian Times other than the Andean people and focusing on Moundsville because it’s one of the biggest mounds in the country. But everywhere you look including our backyard we have rock piles that ARE dating back to pre history and faces in rocks everywhere you look. Seneca rocks is one such place. Even the Indians will discuss these ancient people before them. Also would like to point out the eastern part of the Ohio and the western part of West Virginia were not covered in ice during the ice age after the comet hit. That means this area would have had survivors and only so much of the land could be occupied. There’s a rich history here we deserve to know and respect.
Let me ask you this. If you live in that area and you know about the Indians is there an understanding from those Indians that they descended from Jews? Do they find Hebrew writing and Hebrew culture amongst those Indians? Do those Indians have names like Lehi and Laman and Ishmael? Does it appear to you that those native Americans are aware of their Jewish Hebrew ancestry?
@@billyr9162 From my understanding of which is kind of limited on my own Indian Ancestry... Many of the tribes Haven't got a clue..on their Hebrew blood DNA..... And some others have some actual tangible artifacts which they have held onto and their family has passed down... Which contained Hebrew carvings in..... So it's my opinion that about 60% of the Indian nations know that they are descended from the house of Israel....... But it's not. 100%---. Or all of them. The older natives know a lot more And many of them have passed down their history and legends.. But as America tried to "clean up on the natives, minds, and Traditions"- early on, after they were either killed or captured,, A lot of the traditions and legends have been lost... Because our government threatened them if they continued to hold on to their native teachings and beliefs...etc.. Many were brainwashed into giving them up... Thank God not all of them were. But the older natives that our experts like Russell Means...are dying off every day.... They have left us many documentaries and Recordings,. But we need more- To help fill in all the questions in the blanks... The natives rarely wrote down Things..but it went from word-of-mouth....mainly. Many many join the LDS church when they learn about it~~~~ It rings true with them 😂
@@janaprocella8268 I have Three Indian ancestors. Your opinion, means absolutely nothing. We need hard evidence, to prove the historicity of the Book Of Mormon! So far, the Gnome, has not been successful in establishing 'our' Hebrew ancestry. If such can be confirmed, then I shall welcome it. In the interim--please do not ask me to go on Blind 'Faith'. Because, "Blind" "Faith", is nothing more than Deception! True Faith, is never blind--because it's based on evidence--not wishful thinking, and, Miss-Emotionalism!
Instead of hating without cause or reason, try finding the positives about the church, for there are many. Also, try to find and talk to members, who, you will find, are some of the nicest people on earth. I'm a convert of some 25 years, and I've never met such a hard working, honest, forthright people as those of The Church of Jesus Christ. They are truly a blessed people.
Frankensenced, pointing out logical facts is not hate. It is necessary for the cause of truth! I can and most certainly do point out that the body of LDS members are lovely, gracious, giving, devoted, etc. The organization itself, it's leadership, and it's origins must be called what they are- fraudulent! Please research despite the fact that you are counseled not to. It is your God given right and responsibility.
your comment displays the default position of all Mormons when a Mormon has no answer to the fundamental absurd claims that Smith made in his Book of Mormon.
Frankincensed I agree with you. People in these comments fail to realize that revelation and witness through the Holy Ghost are beyond “logic and fact”. It is said many times in the Bible that only through faith, which is belief without seeing, that someone can receive revelation.
You're absolutely right. All the mormons I've met have been the nicest people. That's what makes the whole thing so sad. It's usually the nice people that are duped by the con man.
Thank you dear brother Fischer for your great work!! May the Lord continue to bless you in all you do to bring us truth and understanding Sending love and prayers...thank you very sincerely!
@@JackSonOfJohn I am from the central mountains, where no one would go homeless or hungry. Everyone was taken care of, including the sick. My mother told me that they would blow the conch shell at harvest time and the heads of family would bring up the harvest; which was loaded on mules. They would then ride early morning into San Juan bay and do the “trading”. Upon their return to the farm in the mountains they would , once more, blow the conch shell; whereupon the heads of family would go up to the long house or caney”. They would proceed to divi up the traded goods within the families in equal shares. My grandparents also took in many share croppers. Some would stay and farm the land in equal shares. Others, upon leaving, would leave their children behind. My grandparents,therefore, ended up raising many children besides their own. The houses had no locks or doors and were made of straw. My mother could tell you exactly how these were built ; thousands of bunches of a certain weed called mules tails would be bound together in bunches. The top of the straw homes called bohíos had to be set 45 degrees to left or right, never straight up, to avoid the hut from being struck by ⚡️
@@JackSonOfJohndon’t know for sure, my family are descendants of theTaino Arawaks from the Caribbean; however, I have been told by the experts that these Caribbean tribes were related to the Florida Kalusa and Timukua
My heritage is Mi'kmaq and french Canadian. I met a mormon man who said that my true tribal heritage is "Nephite" but my grandmother did not recognize the word. Any info regarding Mi'kmaq and Nephite culture is more then welcome! Please help
I hope this helps. I was born and raised in the central mountains of the Island of Puerto Rico. Our farm happens to be located in a well known track of land said to have been granted by the king of Spain to a famous ancestor by the last name if Delgado. However, according to local historians, on that same track of Land was located an ancient lamanite village of a famous local chieftain. I happen to descend from these people. Not only this, our family oral history indicates that my ancestors were running something similar to a bishop's store house.
Floyd Yorgason Yes good work indeed. Have always like his work. Very powerful! Only catch him on TV in Utah once in a while as my job takes me out of town. Glad he's on you tube. Just came across this just now. p.s. this guitarplayingcountry also made me think where did you come from!
Why doesn't the "Prophet, Seer, and Revelator" simply ask the Lord where the Book of Mormon lands were located and then tell the church? All the controversy and conflict among the scholars would be put to rest.
Using that logic why did God not have the Romans and pharasies be nice and not kill. I mean seriously. If we use your logic it can be put to just about anything in the Christian world. Why did God allow the Catholic Church to "edit"parts of the Bible during the crusades. Why did God do so many things. Why did Jesus do so many things. These are things that God has already said we can't comprehend. If you want to slander us LDS try harder than that. I Don't get why people hate us so much...
@@Chris-yy5pj No That's a good Question . Where are these Great Civilizations that date back passed the turn of the century ? There is no doubt by Joe's BoM story that these where advance civilizations Over 190 years and there is zero concrete evidence since the BoM How much longer are you going to defend being lied too. Christ's Church is not a description on any church Christ Church is his alone and anyone can come to him Sola Scriptura Faith Alone Christ Alone Grace Alone When will you learn.in Christ Only The Holy Ghost aka the Comforter was given to all mankind since the Day of Pentecost . Review Acts The Comforter has never left this World . There was no Great Apostasy but there will be when the Holy Spirit leaves this World and S.A.tan takes total control That will be the Great Apostasy And only Christ can restore Rightousness aka. Second Coming This is in God's Word even Jesus Christ in Holy Bible Only Peace to all who believe
Because the prophet doesn’t choose what God says, God chooses what he says. It’s not like prophets can command God to say whatever they want him to, God tells us what he knows we need to hear.
@@Chris-yy5pj Re: Catholics editing the Bible . What are you talking about ? What Edits ? Or are you throwing dung against the wall hoping it stick ? Peace
Maybe, I mean those are important questions, but I have sought & know Jesus has re-established His Church & the scientific & Biblical & Historical evidence indicates that Nephites did exist, God was once man & we are created in their image, & God is eternal, just as LDS Scriptures teach. : )
Joe peaceman His Church & the scientific & Biblical & Historical evidence indicates that Nephites did exist, God was once man & we are created in their image, & God is eternal, just as LDS Scriptures teach. : ) ---You keep saying the Nephites exist but don't respond, and run away when asked for the EVIDENCE, WHY?
Joe peaceman God is eternal, just as LDS Scriptures teach. : ) --Is God was once a man, then he is not eternal, and the LDS don't teach He is eternal. Eternal runs in both directions, no beginning and no end.
CHRISTS TEACHINGS DEBUNK ANTI MORMONISM If the Book of Mormon is Satans word, Joseph Smith Jr, was Satans prophet, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, is Satans church. On the other hand, if the Book of Mormon is Gods word< Joseph Smith Jr, is a true Prophet of God, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is indeed Gods true Church. having said that, heres proof that the Book of Mormon is Gods word: Minor premise: a kingdom divided cannot stand and Satan cannot fight against himself ( Mark 3:24-26 ) Major premise: the Book of Mormon invites humanity to follow Jesus, and to keep the commandments of the Father ( 2 Nephi 31:10 ) Conclusion:If Satan is the author of a Book of Scripture that invites humanity to follow Jesus,and to keep the commandments of the Father,Satan divided his kingdom and fought against himself, and that would imply that Jesus is a "false teacher", because He specifically taught that a kingdom divided cannot stand, and that Satan cannot fight against himself. thus, the content of the Book of Mormon proves that Jesus of Nazareth is its author Christs teachings prove that the Book of Mormon is His word, and by default, that Joseph Smith Jr, is a true Prophet of God, and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is indeed Gods true Church
Not necessarily. The Book of Mormon might be God’s word (and I believe it is), Joseph Smith Jr. may have been a prophet (and I believe he was), but that in NO way, shape, or form implies that the LDS church is God’s church. The LDS church, under the leadership of Brigham Young, who after the murder of Joseph Smith Jr. managed to dupe 5 - 10 % of the membership to follow him to the salt basin, are apostates of the church of Jesus Christ that God restored to the earth thru the prophet Joseph Smith Jr. They are “Brighamites” who were rebaptized, reordained, and became subject to countless perversions of the true restored gospel such as polygamy, secret temple rites, Adam/God doctrine, sealings, magic underwear, blood atonement, and other such evil devices as exist today that were not a part of the original church as it was restored, and are not even mentioned in the Book of Mormon, which they claim to believe contains the “fullness of the everlasting gospel” (it does), with the exception of “secret combinations” and polygamy, which the LDS practices but which are strongly condemned in the record of the Nephites. Two separate civil court cases under two separate judges at different times and in different states found that the church known as the LDS has embraced doctrines which not a part of the original church and could not in any honest way claim to be a continuation of the restored church. To all of the Well-meaning and sincere people of that apostate organization, you need to do the very thing you ask others to do, pray and repent.
If a community has Earth works this Large this is a good indication that Farming was very successful. In order to have manpower to build, farmers have to be able to produce extra food. It is the same today, Strong military powers have stronger agriculture and infracstructures.
Mosiah 18: 4...... being in the borders of the land having been infested, by times or at seasons, by Wild beasts. Sounds like migrating buffalo. If you are a farmer planting wheat and barley migrating buffalo would not be good for a harvest.
We know the Book of Mormon was written in the late 1820's. Hundreds of years after the remains were abandoned. JosephsMyth simply used existing information gathered from local books, news and individuals searching at the time. There were no shortage of books and articles on the mound builders. Sadly, like the so called Book of Abraham, also written by JS own hand upon Foolscap paper, all the facts are misunderstood and ill defined... This video shows what happens when you take a Mormon mind set and apply it to physical realities not understood and the theology/cosmology/"archaeology"/ of Mormonism used as a template to define erroroneously those physical remains. And the American Indian is not a Jew.
The American Indian descended from the Tribe of Joseph through Manasseh. The Angles, for whom England is named after, descended from the Tribe of Joseph through Ephraim. But Lehi brought others with him to South America at least one of them, Zoram, was likely a Jew. However, all of them eventually merged with the Mulekites who were likely all Jews and they arrived separately in Central America at about the same time the Lehites landed in South America. So the American Indians were Israelites, not Jews.
So was Hopewell also on the west side of the Mississippi river? cause I see all kinds of this stuff in the Ozarks. And there is a remarkable number of arrowheads, tomahawk heads and grinding stones in the Ozarks! I am talking ALOT of artifacts. All you have to do is watch the ground. Anyway, I see all kinds of things in this video, that I have seen all over missouri.
Shad Willoughby there were two groups: hopewell and Mississippian. Since the cahokia mounds near St. Louis were Mississippian, I would guess that would also apply to Arkansas. Just a guesd
It's a band that starts in NE Missouri right around Kahokia, than sweeps in an arc west and down towards Oklahoma-If you are within that band (which I thin was part of the trail of tears) You will find arrowheads, hawk heads, and grinding stones all the time. I seen a wall made of nothing but grinders, pestels, arrowheads and hawk heads that wall is probably worth a few thousand bucks.
When are you liars and deniers going to give it a rest? The Mormons are not on line attacking and disparaging your beliefs, why do you attack ours? Your hateful words tell who and what you really are.
Members of the Church need to realize the world will not have open arms to the Church. Is it Christ’s Church, by all means it is for sure. When Christ Himself was here, was he welcomed with open arms? Anyone who knows the Bible knows the answer to that. Many don’t want to know the truth because when known, they also know they need to live it. It’s not always easy living the truth, but Christ never said it would be easy.
yeah, the beginning date varies from 800bc to 300 bc depending on who you talk to. (Nephites got here around 600bc) but archaeologists are unanimous about the date when they disappeared .... around 400 AD. The book of Mormon records the destruction of the Nephites beginning at 385AD.... all this about the disapearance of the Hopewell around 400 AD wasn't know in Joseph Smiths time, must be a really lucky guess if he "made up" the story.
+NephiteExplorer Yes. Exactly! A lucky guess. Not so unbelievable at all. "Around 400 AD". So any American civilization that had a significant decline between 300 and 500 AD would be counted as a hit by anyone confirming their pre-conceived bias. The fact is that the LDS Church owns the hill Cumorah in NY and has never excavated any of it. What's more, the LDS Church is supposed to be lead by a prophet, seer and revelator in communication with God. But, unlike Joseph Smith, who made demonstrably falsified claims, they leave the members to speculate and come to their own conclusions about the B of M archaeology. That doesn't seem like leadership to me.
lcar4000 By the principle of Occam's Razor, I think it's pretty clear that the reason there are no archaeological finds directly related to the B of M is that it is a book of fiction. A very interesting and creative literary achievement, mind you, but fiction none-the-less.
Wow at first so impressed by the missionary work that I've got to know on youtube. They're so lovely people but I'm disappointed about their history. It sounds like a tale, I wish I could believe in it but I can't!
Raymond Allen Man, I've been freezing my butt of here in the great Northeast and everyone I go outside to empty the trash, I say to myself, "Geesh, Louise, if Nephites or Lamanites ever ran around out here, I know someone would have mentioned it. (I mean, if they mentioned serpents cutting of the narrow neck, for sure someone would have mentioned freezing their testicles off in such weather back then!) I remember writing letters home from Boy Scout winter camp nearly fifty years ago; of waking up not being able to feel my feet it was so cold. Yet we read not one word of such weather in the Book of Mormon. So wherever it happened, it didn't happen in a cold climate. As much as I would have liked to have Nephite armies marching through my back yard in the distant past, it just wasn't so.
John Roberts its just confirmation that climate change, polarity changes and plate tectonics are part of a natural cycle, that one should measure their judgement with.
+John Roberts - The climate was warmer 2000 years ago in north america. It was even warmer 150 years ago. Hopewell mounds in the midwest contained parakeet and parrot bones, a bird that can only live in warmer climates like florida today. Likewise there was a "little ice age" around 1300 -1400 AD when everything got colder, look it up. That's when castle building stopped in Europe, they couldn't heat the big stone buildings in the colder climate. The climate changes..... now we're in a warming trend hence "global warming" ..... but even with that, Nephi chose to describe the whiteness of the fruit of the tree of life as white as "the driven snow" obviously Nephi and his descendants were and would be familliar with "driven snow" otherwise why would he mention it? ..... could have been from their "Nephite Boy Scout expierences" :)
+Ryan Fisher I've been reading the AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF PARLEY P. PRATT (again) and he paints a picture of horrible ice and snow storms during the early days of his ministry. Battling a major blizzard on foot, on one occasion, the only food he had was a piece of frozen bread which he gnawed on while wading through large snow drifts. But the real problem I have is the poisonous serpents that cut off the land southward for a number of years. This would require a tropical climate and some bad ass snakes, snakes that are plentiful in Mesoamerica, but scarce in the Northeastern United States. As for Nephi's use of the term "snow," he grew up in Jerusalem where he and his family had seen snow many times. Even though future generations of Mesoamericans may not have romped in it, they could see it on mountain tops and discover its properties the way all explorers have. Despite that, no further references to snow are made in the Book of Mormon. No matter how warm you think it may have been two thousand years ago, it was never tropical during the time of Nephi to Mormon. As for the parakeet bones, that's a new one on me. Perhaps Hagoth or another Nephite explorer brought the parrots, or parakeets, with him from Mesoamerica. Who knows? I'd like to see more about that.
Abdulla Sarwar it dosen,t matter if we show you, tell you or read it to you. this scripture in Isaiah is talking about the book of Mormon. Isaiah 29:12 Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, "Read this, please," they will answer, "I don't know how to read."
Some dude 200 years ago was on some serious chems and made up a whole book about a fictional ancient civilization and now ppl in 2022 actually believe that book to be true lol
Well, he SAID he was. At the beginning of the video, he says his plan is to "investigate archaeology that supports Joseph Smith's writings". That's confirmation bias.
trevor anderson the square peg is the Book of Mormon, and the round hole is reality. The man in the video says he is looking for evidence that supports Smith’s claims. You find out what the facts are then make conclusions. He is doing the opposite.
trevor anderson no there is a difference between “I want to learn the truth about the people of ancient America “ and “I want to find evidence that supports my beliefs”. The second path leads to rejecting the evidence that can’t be twisted to fit your view. That is how people argue for a flat Earth, geocentrism, or the Earth only being a few thousand years old. Can you direct me to your source for the cover up of artifacts? Mormons have a poor track record in regards to there claims about that museum.
trevor anderson if you look at the effect of European contact on the American societies you will see a lot of history has been lost. I recently heard a podcast about the fall of the civilization on Easter island before contact they had a written language and now no one can read it. There are somethings we may never know that is not a justification for speculation being touted as fact.
trevor anderson that is the racism that was rampant at the time and lead many people to say the savages didn’t build the mounds white people did before being killed by the savages, like the Book of Mormon says. They had their assumptions and refused to objectively examine the facts. Being wrong due to your bias and racial prejudice is not necessarily evidence of a cover up but does cast doubt on their claims, which is why evidence is better than claims.
I hear a whole bunch of assertions being made here (astronomical 'alignment' of some of these structures, what these features look like from the air, etc), but don't see any PROOF of these claims. This 'investigation' looks like someone who is predisposed to believing in what he sets out to prove.
"This 'investigation' looks like someone who is predisposed to believing in what he sets out to prove." - This is what professionals call "pseudoarcheology."
This video is basically "There were Native Americans and therefore Joseph Smith was right" but they completely ignore all the other evidence we have that says that those Native Americans came from northeast Asia, not Jeruselum.
Fevers afflicting the people in certain seasons is mentioned denoting warm weather. Nephi uses the visual "driven snow" to convey the whiteness of the fruit of the tree of life.... a vision his posterity will read for generations to come. Why would he use a visual of something that they would never see? He wouldn't. He chose driven snow because everybody among the Nephites know how white driven snow is. Also the Lamanites fed on migrating beasts..... migrating beasts can only exist in far north or south America. Seasons causing migrations does not exist near the equator.... theres a few point's to consider.
NephiteExplorer Wait a second. Give me the EXACT scripture references about "Snow" or cold weather? According to FARMS (Neal A Maxwell Institute), they firmly believe that this happened in MesoAmerica. The evidence is very strong. Again, where in the BOM does it even talk about Snow or cold weather? Let alone, think about the clothing they wore back then when they came to battle. C'mon, give me some real evidences to have me believe otherwise. Everything I've seen or heard leads me to Central America, Mexico
+NephiteExplorer The Lamanites went around half naked even to battle, all indications in the BoM point to a warm climate. Stop trying to distort the truth.
Having hiked mountains and hills for a long time, Waynes interpretation of this topography is from fantasy land! He say's they don't have the money to find actual archealogical evididence. The LDS Church does not have the money...that is quite laulghable? We all know that isn't true. Dig it up. Lets find the buildings and artifacts!
I like how many times the people explaining the many, many, many, parallels of these mounds to the Nephite people use the word, Imagine. You have to have a pretty big imagination to pretend these go hand in hand.
Hello everybody, if you want to see the land of Nephi, please come down to Bolivia an see the similar Salomon Temple thta Nephi built. Go to Tiahuanaco. Lehi´s family arrived in South America.
The most inconvenient part of this quest is the complete absence of literacy and written record-keeping among ANY Hopewell-era North American indigenous peoples. That might be a small problem in a hypothesis conflating North American people with the Book of Mormon.
There have been literally thousands of ancient records found, many of which have been nicknamed the "michigan tablets" however since they we're amassed in the 1800's before archaeology was formed, they have no provenance and won't be authenticated. I have seen and handled hundreds of these tablets, I'm guessing you haven't seen one, and don't even know about them.... but consider yourself an authority anyways..... that's inconvenient.
well... most of us KNOW that The book of mormon took place in Southern Mexico and Central America. there is official information that tells us where ZARAHEMLA was.
Actually there is not office statement given by the general authorities of the Church about the location of an Book of Mormon city, river, battle, etc.
Historias de Navidad: are you kidding me? do you see any resemblance of these nahuatl (aztec) words to the hebrew language, cuz I sure don't???: ixtaccihuatl, huitzilopochtli, ahiacatl. tamalli, tonatzin, xocoyotzin, cuitlahuac, tonatiu, cuetlachtli.xochitlpilli...and so on..as you can see, no hebrew similarities whatsoever. The BoM is a very boring fictional story that has nothing to do with the aztec nation. I'm from the "purepecha" nation from Michoacan and is very offensive to us to think that some wasp puritan calvinistic story teller wrote a book about our "history" undignifying, diminishing, belittlening us, that we were cursed by God, with a dark pigmentation in our skin and that we were not able to build such amazing architecture. Btw your "prophet" doesn't speak w God, nor has any type of revelations, your top leaders are just a bunch of money hoarders and greedy old birds and their only God they worship is their $$money$$. What your leaders should do is stay home, eat their soup and play bingo.
Finding the Book of Mormon lands is easy. Find a place where there is: 1) lots of snakes; 2) no snow or ice; 3) large populations; 4) ancient cement roads; 5) large gold deposits and workmanship in gold and silver; 6) volcanic activity; 7) written language; 7) cement homes and abodes; 8) relatively small footprint of several hundred miles; 9) nearby oceans or large bodies of water; and 10) a geography that fits. Although I don't believe the mound builders were the Nephites of the Book of Mormon, I believe Jesus may very well have visited them in the meridian of time and that they were of the lost sheep led here. But again, if they were Nephites, they weren't the Book of Mormon Nephites -- and we wouldn't know if there was a connection until we discovered writing or DNA samples. The numbers weren't right (the forts look more like Roman outposts) and I don't see evidence of a huge population. Our development. Joseph Smith knew about the Nephites having seen them in vision, and later in life he seemed to shift his interest from the mound builders to the Mayans, arguably recognizing their cities. I've seen too much of the Mayans that resonated with me -- the great wars, roads, workmanship of metals, war. Never crossing frozen rivers, dying of exposure, frostbite (all mentioned by civil war military leaders, Gen. Washington and Revolutionary War soldiers). The Nephite chronicle writers, on the other hand, never even mentioned snow. They did mention throwing the bodies of enemy soldiers into the river and washing them out to sea -- which would be a bit difficult in the heartlands, setting there are no rivers that flow north into the sea. We have to face the very real possibility that Joseph Smith didn't know where the Book of Mormon lands were. He saw the buildings and people in vision...most possibly knew a bit of their language. But back before I became a proponent of the Mesoamerican model, I loved to think of Nephites living at one time in my back yard. It just wasn't a realistic possibility. The geography just doesn't support it unless things have changed a lot.
I am 100% native American I speak my language but makes me sad that us an scientist don't know exactly where we come from what of natives are descendant from angels and they are just say we are from Asia but we are really not some are not all like j said I am full-blooded native American yet I look more like a jew lol for some reason.🤥🤔
However, there were groups of nephites who migrated Northward even to great distances to a land of great bodies of water as it is stated, which are the great lakes, but the main lands of the nephites are in mesoamerica
@@LibertarianUSA1982 then how come in part of Guatemala's history it is clearly documented a 1st nephi, 2nd nephi, 3rd and 4th? Each has a reference to a different time period. The name nephi is found all over mesoamerica, and it has yet to be found in north america.
@@LibertarianUSA1982 Im only stating facts. I probably wouldnt have believed it either if I didnt read it for myself. You can look it up. There is mention in "relaciones de las cosas" it talks about a "Nihaib 1, Nihaib 2, 3, and 4 and it had reference to different time periods. The document was from the highlands of guatemala, the location for the city of nephi, very close to the same location where you find " the tree of life" stone that dates back to around 600 BC, and is a depiction of Lehis dream of the tree of life. I wish I was making it up to fit my own narrative, but I dont know what would be the purpose of doing that, seeing that Im not trying to make money off of it.
Thanks for investigating the unknown. So few care. I have done the same thing. I find 2 explanations for the North American "mounds". 1) As Mormon's Nephite armies were pushed back in defeat beyond the "narrow neck of land" (the Isthmus of Panama) and the Lamanites gained access to the land northward for the first time, General Mormon sent a letter to the Lamanite commander requesting that he be allowed to go throughout the land and gather together all the Nephites for one last great battle, and was granted it. Mormon's armies moved north and retreated in battle numerous times, with and without Mormon as their leader. They eventually made their stand around the present day Hill Cumorah in upstate NY where the Nephite armies succumbed and for all practical purposes the Nephites were destroyed. 2) Along with this scenario is the account of the Nephites and Ammonites (converted Lamanites) who fled the land southward for the land northward in Alma 63 and Helaman 3. They went by ships built by Hagoth (Capt Moroni's "engineer") and by land by the the thousands! (Perhaps 10-15 thousand!) These people were fed up with the wars caused by Nephites who were disobedient. They changed their names to Nemenhah (People of the Lord). They settled North America in its entirety and were the ones responsible for the Hopewell civilization. Just as ALL of the righteous that the Lord leads away for preservation, He required them to keep records and set up His church. A portion of those records have been translated by their own surviving people and are available today as the Mentinah Records. The opening Book was written by Hagoth and followed by his son. Samuel the Lamanite was one of the authors and was told how he was sent down to preach to the wicked Nephites which we have an account of in the BoM. At the end of the fighting between Nephites and Lamanites at Cumorah, Moroni, and a few of his friends who were stragglers in the land northward, met and wandered the land until they found their way to the Capital City of the Nemenhah, Mentinah. Moroni wrote 2 of those books and lived to be 142 years old serving as the High Priest of the Nemanhah. Mormon's father Mormon was raised in the Nemanhah lands and brought his son, Mormon, south to central American Nephite cities of mesoAmerica when he was only 10. There he was introduced to Amoran who took him under wing and prepared him spiritually until his father took Mormon down into the land southward and the city of Zarahemla where his calling was made sure. Without this additional knowledge, you are just spinning your wheels and everything is still up for argument.
@@davidj.lebaron709 The same applies to you, you've made a definitive statement about something you know nothing about. That's why you offered no argument.
@@bdphourde things are true or not true. Not true is not the same as false. Things are considered true when evidence indicates they are true, and false when evidence indicates that. Not only are Mormon claims not true, many are false. I have actually evaluated the claims and compared them to reality which you appear to have not honestly done.
You're inventing your own history. Just because Joseph Smith included some Native American history that was known at his time does NOT mean that the Native Americans were Nephites. You came about this little experiment the wrong way. DNA evidence completely contradicts the idea that Native Americans came from Jeruselum and Nephi's family. All you did here was suggest that MAYBE Nephits were Native Americans, you didnt prove anything. Ex mormons are well aware that Joseph Smith included some of his schooling and local geography into the Book of Mormon. You can't just say "Joseph said something accurate so he must have known about all of it." What Joseph said about the Nephites totally contradicts what we know from DNA and other archeological evidence. You need to go to school before doing archeology, or at least extremely expand your investigation to include evidence we already have. You're not going to be able to just dig up skulls and come to something conclusive, you need to rely on other findings as well. The mounds suggest a huge population, but if Nephi had really come across the Pacific with his family then there wouldn't have been a large enough population to build those mounds by the time mentioned. Your own false history discounts your own findings. How did the Nephite population explode so quickly that they covered the continent and build massive structures in just a couple hundred years?
Native Americans were not descendants of Nephi, they were descendants of Nephi's older brothers, Laman & Lemuel. They were known as Lamanites. They warred against the Nephites chasing them out of South America which was the home of BOTH family descendancies, and up into North America, until the Nephites were killed off. Then the Lamanites began warring amongst themselves. That's the state in which they were found when Columbus arrived 1100 years later.
@@bdphourde Be careful when you say that the Lamanites chased the Nephites out of South America. Mainstream Mormonism teaches that the Nephites and Lamanites inhabited both North and South America; However, Joseph Smith explicitly taught that the Nephites & Lamanites DID NOT come from Mesoamerican. Lehi's family arrived and stayed in the "heartland" (North America).
@@bradythayer5034 No, "Mainstream Mormonism" teaches NOTHING about the BoM lands, even though much can be known from the BoM! The "Heartland Theory" is just a theory that jumps over evidence to arrive at a preconceived conclusion. There is nothing so conclusive in the BoM regarding geographic evidence than the "narrow neck of land that separates the land southward from the land northward"! The ONLY place that qualifies for that description in the entire western hemisphere is the Isthmus of Panama.
Gee ...and all this time, Mormons have been telling me that the Nephites built the Mayan ruins. It seems that they are highly confused about the facts of basic history. Or ...are they just still trying to find at least somewhere to jam their fantasies back into history?
The Church does not claim where they were exactly but Joseph Smith did say some things. The idea of the Mayan came from evidence at the time that Jesus may have also came to them. And Mormons did not have access to everything Joseph Smith said about it at the time. The evidence that Jesus may have also came to Mayan was published in a Mormon paper long, long ago. See?
lcar4000 The Aztec were looking for return of Quetzalcoatl the Great White God who promised to return. A period of approximately 1300 years from death of Nephite civilization to Europeans KNOWN settlements in present United States. Christ's Crucification effected the entire earth particularly American continent.
In my opinion, the "lds" moron "robots" are some of the most meanest, nastiest, brain-dead interbreaded fucking deluded FOOLS in human history! Oh...love the sacred underwear you jack-asses!
@Billy R: No. Not now. Not ever. He's a charlatan hip deep in a scam. He is a modern-day Nehorite practicing priestcraft. He would love to separate you from your money and he wants you to go to his seminars and call him, "Master." As in, Master, tell us, which is the greater mound, Ohio or Missouri?
@@billyr9162 If you mean am I an active member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the answer is, Yes! I have a temple recommend. I have a calling in the ward. I sustain President Nelson as prophet, seer and revelator. Here's what the Church says on the topic of where, for example, Zarahemla is: "The Church does not take a position on the specific geographic locations of Book of Mormon events in the ancient Americas. President M. Russell Ballard, Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, reminded members that “the Book of Mormon is not a textbook on topography. Speculation on the geography of the Book of Mormon may mislead instead of enlighten; such a study can be a distraction from its divine purpose.”" www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/book-of-mormon-geography?lang=eng
@@TheShinyDog Will you got this guy Wayne May running around representing the mormon church. Now you're telling me the mormon church doesn't officially take a position on where the location a all the American Indians who were supposedly Jews lived. Well they did in the past didn't they? Didn't your president used to visit South America and dedicate temples?
@@billyr9162 Wayne May does not represent the Church. He may pretend that he does, but he's way out of line. Please forgive him for his deceptive practices. For many years members and leaders of the Church have speculated about where the descendants of the Nephites/Lamanites might be. Some think the events of The Book of Mormon occurred throughout North and South America. Some think mostly in Mesoamerica. Some think only within the boundaries of the United States of America. Opinions are fine, but some take it to extremes. The Church officially says, "We don't know." And that's fine because geography is not critical in gaining a testimony of The Book of Mormon. It's the same for the Bible. So far, for example, there has been no evidence found proving Adam and Eve were the first parents. And that's OK. We can still know through the Spirit that the words in the book of Genesis are true. Yes, the president of the Church goes to many places around the world to teach and dedicate temples. The importance of temples can be seen in the Bible. So we continue to build temples. Do you have any more questions?
I'm still waiting to see the mines where the Nephites got their gold and silver, which the Book of Mormon says was plentiful. And yes, we see references to Old Testament names in the Hopewell areas, which is impressive. What don't we have? Book of Mormon names, which we would expect to see. I believe the Book of Mormon peoples (some of them) went north, but the events of the book most of them remained in Mesoamerica. We have no mention of snow or ice in the Book of Mormon, but we see plenty of it in our own church history. The problem is, we get too we'd to theories that we don't see the other sides.
Nothing said about the dowsing rods carried by Wayne May. Oh well, Joseph Smith used the same or similar devises to find buried treasure. Mr. May is probably trying to find the great horde of swords, helmets, breast plates, wheels and horse bones. You say that there were none of these things in America before Columbus/Vikings. That's because someone came along with a giant broom and dust pan and cleaned it all up.
I do not believe the Book of Mormon took place in the land that is now known as the U.S.A. I have asked several scholars at BYU about their opinion, and the common answer I always receive points back to Central America.
After years of research, LDS scholars accept mesoamerica as the primary location of the Book of Mormon events. North America is probably the "land northward" mentioned in the text, but it tells us very little about events there.
GDK Interesting that you would ask that question. It's clear to me that the text describes a mesoamerican setting. North America was part of the BOM lands (inhabited by Nephites), and was called the "land northward".
cdowis I'm well aware of the current state of Mormon apologetics (or, as you would call it, scholarship). I am also aware of the October 16, 1990 to Bishop Darrel L. Brooks of Moore, Oklahoma by the Office of the First Presidency addressing that very question: "Dear Bishop Brooks: I have been asked to forward to you for acknowledgment and handling the enclosed copy of a letter to President Gordon B. Hinckley from Ronnie Sparks of your ward. Brother Sparks inquired about the location of the Hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon, where the last battle between the Nephites and Lamanites took place. *The Church has long maintained, as attested to by references in the writings of General Authorities, that the Hill Cumorah in western New York state is the same as referenced in the Book of Mormon.* The Brethren appreciate your assistance in responding to this inquiry, and asked that you convey to Brother Sparks their commendation for his gospel study. Sincerely yours, (signed) F. Michael Watson Secretary to the First Presidency"
GDK The church has no official stance on the geography of the Book of Mormon, and, as secretary to the First Presidency, he was speaking according to his own understanding, and was not speaking for the church. He has since clarified his statement. See the section "Clarification" en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon/Geography/Statements/Twentieth_century/First_Presidency_Letter
cdowis Well Joseph Smith Never said it was in south America or central America. It was early saints that wanted proof and took the Mayan ruins as the Nephite people. But the DNA does not match up. The remnant of the Hopewell Indians have the same DNA as those in the europe and Palestine dating back to 500 BC hmm. The narrow neck of land is not Panama it takes weeks to transverse it on foot! the first white people to do it took six months and killed half the party! So the Book of Mormon never took place in that god forsaken lands.
The Hopewell people have their ealiest mound remnants dating back to 4,500 BC in Louisiana. About 1,500 b.c. they migrated into the Ohio River Valley. From there, they spread out mostly south, southwest, west, and northwest into Canada. The Hopewell culture survived until the expedition of De Soto who recounts them. They were in decline at this time, but early Spanish and French explorers were the nail in the coffin as they spread their diseases. The Hopewell culture were not the fictional Nephites. This guy is of the the same caliber as young earth creatard "scientists".
@scottengland, Actually, you are confusing multiple mound builders. The earliest Hopewell mounds are found in Florida, and then Missouri, dating to around 600 B.C. The Adena mound builders were around much much earlier. They have been identified by NON Mormon archaeologists as two separate groups. If you're going to attack the information, at least know what you are talking about.
they didn't find pottery, they found tarnished copper. and cities cannot be "carbon dated," but they can be estimated based on remains of their dead (which by the way can be carbon dated) as well as technology such as how tarnished their iron and copper was, etc. how do you think they date mesoamerica and ancient Greece?
Even if any signs of a civilization were to be dated to approximately the same period as the fiction writer, Joseph Smith claims, that does not mean that they are Nephites, Lamanites or any other persons in Joseph Smith's novels. HE MADE IT ALL UP.
All the criticism really makes you wonder how they are so sure. I’ll be honest I know nothing about the Book of Mormon. But what I do know is I live in WV where I am surrounded by mounds everywhere. My fiancé is a union pipefitter that works in new constructions all the time. When they go to put a foundation 9 times out of 10 it’s a archeological site. There is really no history prior to precolumbian Times other than the Andean people and focusing on Moundsville because it’s one of the biggest mounds in the country. But everywhere you look including our backyard we have rock piles that ARE dating back to pre history and faces in rocks everywhere you look. Seneca rocks is one such place. Even the Indians will discuss these ancient people before them. Also would like to point out the eastern part of the Ohio and the western part of West Virginia were not covered in ice during the ice age after the comet hit. That means this area would have had survivors and only so much of the land could be occupied. There’s a rich history here we deserve to know and respect.
Let me ask you this. If you live in that area and you know about the Indians is there an understanding from those Indians that they descended from Jews?
Do they find Hebrew writing and Hebrew culture amongst those Indians? Do those Indians have names like Lehi and Laman and Ishmael?
Does it appear to you that those native Americans are aware of their Jewish Hebrew ancestry?
@@billyr9162
From my understanding of which is kind of limited on my own Indian
Ancestry... Many of the tribes
Haven't got a clue..on their Hebrew blood DNA..... And some others have some actual tangible artifacts which they have held onto and their family has passed down... Which contained Hebrew carvings in.....
So it's my opinion that about 60% of the Indian nations know that they are descended from the house of Israel.......
But it's not. 100%---. Or all of them.
The older natives know a lot more
And many of them have passed down their history and legends..
But as America tried to "clean up on the natives, minds, and Traditions"- early on, after they were either killed or captured,,
A lot of the traditions and legends have been lost... Because our government threatened them if they continued to hold on to their native teachings and beliefs...etc..
Many were brainwashed into giving them up...
Thank God not all of them were.
But the older natives that our experts like Russell Means...are dying off every day.... They have left us many documentaries and
Recordings,.
But we need more-
To help fill in all the questions in the blanks...
The natives rarely wrote down
Things..but it went from word-of-mouth....mainly.
Many many join the LDS church when they learn about it~~~~
It rings true with them 😂
@@janaprocella8268 I have Three Indian ancestors. Your opinion, means absolutely nothing. We need hard evidence, to prove the historicity of the Book Of Mormon!
So far, the Gnome, has not been successful in establishing 'our' Hebrew ancestry. If such can be confirmed, then I shall welcome it.
In the interim--please do not ask me to go on Blind 'Faith'. Because, "Blind" "Faith", is nothing more than Deception!
True Faith, is never blind--because it's based on evidence--not wishful thinking, and, Miss-Emotionalism!
@@janaprocella8268 If they dont have mediterannean dna,so they are not lost tribe.
Instead of hating without cause or reason, try finding the positives about the church, for there are many. Also, try to find and talk to members, who, you will find, are some of the nicest people on earth. I'm a convert of some 25 years, and I've never met such a hard working, honest, forthright people as those of The Church of Jesus Christ. They are truly a blessed people.
Frankensenced, pointing out logical facts is not hate. It is necessary for the cause of truth! I can and most certainly do point out that the body of LDS members are lovely, gracious, giving, devoted, etc. The organization itself, it's leadership, and it's origins must be called what they are- fraudulent! Please research despite the fact that you are counseled not to. It is your God given right and responsibility.
your comment displays the default position of all Mormons when a Mormon has no answer to the fundamental absurd claims that Smith made in his Book of Mormon.
Frankincensed I agree with you. People in these comments fail to realize that revelation and witness through the Holy Ghost are beyond “logic and fact”. It is said many times in the Bible that only through faith, which is belief without seeing, that someone can receive revelation.
You're absolutely right. All the mormons I've met have been the nicest people. That's what makes the whole thing so sad. It's usually the nice people that are duped by the con man.
Find one nephite sword. Just one. They had battles where millions died but not a single sword has ever been found. Just find one.
There are multiple videos on this topic, this one is interesting: ua-cam.com/video/chjf9C5nieY/v-deo.html
They already found them and the breastplates and head plates -
Thank you dear brother Fischer for your great work!! May the Lord continue to bless you in all you do to bring us truth and understanding Sending love and prayers...thank you very sincerely!
Hello there. I thought I would reach out and find out what if anything you found out? Did you come to a conclusion? I am hoping you did.
That "archaeologist" is using dowsing rods? What!?!
In part, my family's oral history appearing in the Book of Mormon is what initially caught my eye about the LDS church.
I hope it provided some form of reassurance for you.
What is your family's oral history?
@@JackSonOfJohn I am from the central mountains, where no one would go homeless or hungry. Everyone was taken care of, including the sick.
My mother told me that they would blow the conch shell at harvest time and the heads of family would bring up the harvest; which was loaded on mules.
They would then ride early morning into San Juan bay and do the “trading”.
Upon their return to the farm in the mountains they would , once more, blow the conch shell; whereupon the heads of family would go up to the long house or caney”. They would proceed to divi up the traded goods within the families in equal shares.
My grandparents also took in many share croppers. Some would stay and farm the land in equal shares. Others, upon leaving, would leave their children behind. My grandparents,therefore, ended up raising many children besides their own. The houses had no locks or doors and were made of straw. My mother could tell you exactly how these were built
; thousands of bunches of a certain weed called mules tails would be bound together in bunches. The top of the straw homes called bohíos had to be set 45 degrees to left or right, never straight up, to avoid the hut from being struck by ⚡️
@@carmencolon8012 that's amazing. Is your family Hopewell?
@@JackSonOfJohndon’t know for sure, my family are descendants of theTaino Arawaks from the Caribbean; however, I have been told by the experts that these Caribbean tribes were related to the Florida Kalusa and Timukua
My heritage is Mi'kmaq and french Canadian. I met a mormon man who said that my true tribal heritage is "Nephite" but my grandmother did not recognize the word. Any info regarding Mi'kmaq and Nephite culture is more then welcome! Please help
Your grandmother didn't recognize it because there's no such thing.
@@billyr9162 it's a counter top material I think.
@@scottjosen2606
Lol!!
Look up Wayne may research
I hope this helps. I was born and raised in the central mountains of the Island of Puerto Rico. Our farm happens to be located in a well known track of land said to have been granted by the king of Spain to a famous ancestor by the last name if Delgado. However, according to local historians, on that same track of Land was located an ancient lamanite village of a famous local chieftain. I happen to descend from these people. Not only this, our family oral history indicates that my ancestors were running something similar to a bishop's store house.
Lol😆good God man
Keep up the good work. This type of work has been long time over due.
Where did you come from? Where do get your info? You sound like a but case!
Floyd Yorgason Yes good work indeed. Have always like his work. Very powerful! Only catch him on TV in Utah once in a while as my job takes me out of town. Glad he's on you tube. Just came across this just now. p.s. this guitarplayingcountry also made me think where did you come from!
Why doesn't the "Prophet, Seer, and Revelator" simply ask the Lord where the Book of Mormon lands were located and then tell the church? All the controversy and conflict among the scholars would be put to rest.
Using that logic why did God not have the Romans and pharasies be nice and not kill. I mean seriously. If we use your logic it can be put to just about anything in the Christian world. Why did God allow the Catholic Church to "edit"parts of the Bible during the crusades. Why did God do so many things. Why did Jesus do so many things. These are things that God has already said we can't comprehend. If you want to slander us LDS try harder than that. I Don't get why people hate us so much...
@@Chris-yy5pj No That's a good Question . Where are these Great Civilizations that date back passed the turn of the century ?
There is no doubt by Joe's BoM story that these where advance civilizations
Over 190 years and there is zero concrete evidence since the BoM
How much longer are you going to defend being lied too.
Christ's Church is not a description on any church
Christ Church is his alone and anyone can come to him
Sola Scriptura
Faith Alone
Christ Alone
Grace Alone
When will you learn.in Christ Only
The Holy Ghost aka the Comforter
was given to all mankind since the Day of Pentecost . Review Acts
The Comforter has never left this World . There was no Great Apostasy but there will be when the Holy Spirit leaves this World and S.A.tan takes total control
That will be the Great Apostasy
And only Christ can restore Rightousness aka. Second Coming
This is in God's Word even Jesus Christ in Holy Bible Only
Peace to all who believe
Because the prophet doesn’t choose what God says, God chooses what he says. It’s not like prophets can command God to say whatever they want him to, God tells us what he knows we need to hear.
Joseph Smith did say where the nephite lands were. He said the same place the mayan temples are.
@@Chris-yy5pj Re: Catholics editing the Bible . What are you talking about ?
What Edits ?
Or are you throwing dung against the wall hoping it stick ?
Peace
whats wrong with you? Your giving evidence of the 1800's and then incorporating the book of mormon into IT, THAT IS NOT ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE.
Maybe the Nephites never existed
Maybe God the Father was never a man
Maybe God is eternal and the only God
Maybe Mormonism is untrue
Maybe, I mean those are important questions, but I have sought & know Jesus has re-established His Church & the scientific & Biblical & Historical evidence indicates that Nephites did exist, God was once man & we are created in their image, & God is eternal, just as LDS Scriptures teach. : )
Joe peaceman His Church & the scientific & Biblical & Historical evidence indicates that Nephites did exist, God was once man & we are created in their image, & God is eternal, just as LDS Scriptures teach. : ) ---You keep saying the Nephites exist but don't respond, and run away when asked for the EVIDENCE, WHY?
Joe peaceman God is eternal, just as LDS Scriptures teach. : ) --Is God was once a man, then he is not eternal, and the LDS don't teach He is eternal. Eternal runs in both directions, no beginning and no end.
Maybe we don't have to wear special magic underwear to please God,
Maybe it isn't God's plan for each one of us to get our own planet....
Called from Palmdale, l say yes to all of those maybes!!
Archeologist study that place in missipippi and that green lands can be a geographical evidence
It is located in south america
CHRISTS TEACHINGS DEBUNK ANTI MORMONISM
If the Book of Mormon is Satans word, Joseph Smith Jr, was Satans prophet, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, is Satans church.
On the other hand, if the Book of Mormon is Gods word< Joseph Smith Jr, is a true Prophet of God, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is indeed Gods true Church.
having said that, heres proof that the Book of Mormon is Gods word:
Minor premise: a kingdom divided cannot stand and Satan cannot fight against himself ( Mark 3:24-26 )
Major premise: the Book of Mormon invites humanity to follow Jesus, and to keep the commandments of the Father ( 2 Nephi 31:10 )
Conclusion:If Satan is the author of a Book of Scripture that invites humanity to follow Jesus,and to keep the commandments of the Father,Satan divided his kingdom and fought against himself, and that would imply that Jesus is a "false teacher", because He specifically taught that a kingdom divided cannot stand, and that Satan cannot fight against himself. thus, the content of the Book of Mormon proves that Jesus of Nazareth is its author
Christs teachings prove that the Book of Mormon is His word, and by default, that Joseph Smith Jr, is a true Prophet of God, and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is indeed Gods true Church
Not necessarily. The Book of Mormon might be God’s word (and I believe it is), Joseph Smith Jr. may have been a prophet (and I believe he was), but that in NO way, shape, or form implies that the LDS church is God’s church. The LDS church, under the leadership of Brigham Young, who after the murder of Joseph Smith Jr. managed to dupe 5 - 10 % of the membership to follow him to the salt basin, are apostates of the church of Jesus Christ that God restored to the earth thru the prophet Joseph Smith Jr. They are “Brighamites” who were rebaptized, reordained, and became subject to countless perversions of the true restored gospel such as polygamy, secret temple rites, Adam/God doctrine, sealings, magic underwear, blood atonement, and other such evil devices as exist today that were not a part of the original church as it was restored, and are not even mentioned in the Book of Mormon, which they claim to believe contains the “fullness of the everlasting gospel” (it does), with the exception of “secret combinations” and polygamy, which the LDS practices but which are strongly condemned in the record of the Nephites. Two separate civil court cases under two separate judges at different times and in different states found that the church known as the LDS has embraced doctrines which not a part of the original church and could not in any honest way claim to be a continuation of the restored church. To all of the Well-meaning and sincere people of that apostate organization, you need to do the very thing you ask others to do, pray and repent.
What verse speaks of both the pilgrims and the nephites living on the same lands?
1 Nephi chapter 13 (specifically verse 30)
You mean the muddy Grand river.
that was even worse then the ancient alien drivel.
If a community has Earth works this Large this is a good indication that Farming was very successful. In order to have manpower to build, farmers have to be able to produce extra food. It is the same today, Strong military powers have stronger agriculture and infracstructures.
Mosiah 18: 4...... being in the borders of the land having been infested, by times or at seasons, by Wild beasts.
Sounds like migrating buffalo. If you are a farmer planting wheat and barley migrating buffalo would not be good for a harvest.
+idarusskie You ever hear of the rain-forest?
... they we're in the boarders of the Land...... thats the outskirts
We know the Book of Mormon was written in the late 1820's. Hundreds of years after the remains were abandoned. JosephsMyth simply used existing information gathered from local books, news and individuals searching at the time. There were no shortage of books and articles on the mound builders. Sadly, like the so called Book of Abraham, also written by JS own hand upon Foolscap paper, all the facts are misunderstood and ill defined... This video shows what happens when you take a Mormon mind set and apply it to physical realities not understood and the theology/cosmology/"archaeology"/ of Mormonism used as a template to define erroroneously those physical remains. And the American Indian is not a Jew.
+IExposeMormonism I agree with everything you've said here.
The American Indian descended from the Tribe of Joseph through Manasseh. The Angles, for whom England is named after, descended from the Tribe of Joseph through Ephraim. But Lehi brought others with him to South America at least one of them, Zoram, was likely a Jew. However, all of them eventually merged with the Mulekites who were likely all Jews and they arrived separately in Central America at about the same time the Lehites landed in South America. So the American Indians were Israelites, not Jews.
@@bdphourde they dont have mediterannean blood,they are not lost tribe
This guy is Wayne May,, ,,
He almost took a tumble there.
This is AWESOME!!!!!
So was Hopewell also on the west side of the Mississippi river?
cause I see all kinds of this stuff in the Ozarks. And there is a remarkable number of arrowheads, tomahawk heads and grinding stones in the Ozarks! I am talking ALOT of artifacts. All you have to do is watch the ground.
Anyway, I see all kinds of things in this video, that I have seen all over missouri.
Shad Willoughby there were two groups: hopewell and Mississippian. Since the cahokia mounds near St. Louis were Mississippian, I would guess that would also apply to Arkansas. Just a guesd
It's a band that starts in NE Missouri right around Kahokia, than sweeps in an arc west and down towards Oklahoma-If you are within that band (which I thin was part of the trail of tears) You will find arrowheads, hawk heads, and grinding stones all the time. I seen a wall made of nothing but grinders, pestels, arrowheads and hawk heads that wall is probably worth a few thousand bucks.
Joseph Smith once stated the Nephite lands were from the Rocky Mountains to the east sea.
Polymathic Perturbations Iowa has mounds as well.. has Effigy state park in NE Iowa
When are you liars and deniers going to give it a rest? The Mormons are not on line attacking and disparaging your beliefs, why do you attack ours? Your hateful words tell who and what you really are.
Well, cold or not, somebody built the daggum things!!!!!
Members of the Church need to realize the world will not have open arms to the Church. Is it Christ’s Church, by all means it is for sure. When Christ Himself was here, was he welcomed with open arms? Anyone who knows the Bible knows the answer to that. Many don’t want to know the truth because when known, they also know they need to live it. It’s not always easy living the truth, but Christ never said it would be easy.
The hopewell mound builders date to the same time period as the nephites?
yeah, the beginning date varies from 800bc to 300 bc depending on who you talk to. (Nephites got here around 600bc) but archaeologists are unanimous about the date when they disappeared .... around 400 AD. The book of Mormon records the destruction of the Nephites beginning at 385AD.... all this about the disapearance of the Hopewell around 400 AD wasn't know in Joseph Smiths time, must be a really lucky guess if he "made up" the story.
+NephiteExplorer
Yes. Exactly! A lucky guess. Not so unbelievable at all. "Around 400 AD". So any American civilization that had a significant decline between 300 and 500 AD would be counted as a hit by anyone confirming their pre-conceived bias.
The fact is that the LDS Church owns the hill Cumorah in NY and has never excavated any of it.
What's more, the LDS Church is supposed to be lead by a prophet, seer and revelator in communication with God. But, unlike Joseph Smith, who made demonstrably falsified claims, they leave the members to speculate and come to their own conclusions about the B of M archaeology. That doesn't seem like leadership to me.
+lcar4000 Where are the steel swords and chariots, breastplates and coins of those Nephite Mound builders?
Davey: I agree, haven't seen any. I would think they crop up somewhere....like at the Hill Cumorah, the alleged city of Zarahemla, Instead, nothing.
lcar4000
By the principle of Occam's Razor, I think it's pretty clear that the reason there are no archaeological finds directly related to the B of M is that it is a book of fiction. A very interesting and creative literary achievement, mind you, but fiction none-the-less.
Awesome Video!
Where are all the cement cities? They aren’t found in America.
Wow at first so impressed by the missionary work that I've got to know on youtube. They're so lovely people but I'm disappointed about their history. It sounds like a tale, I wish I could believe in it but I can't!
Did anyone else notice that Wayne may was carrying divining rods???!!!hmmm
This will strengthen the Testimony of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon for any Latter-Day Saint who watches this documentary.
Raymond Allen Man, I've been freezing my butt of here in the great Northeast and everyone I go outside to empty the trash, I say to myself, "Geesh, Louise, if Nephites or Lamanites ever ran around out here, I know someone would have mentioned it. (I mean, if they mentioned serpents cutting of the narrow neck, for sure someone would have mentioned freezing their testicles off in such weather back then!) I remember writing letters home from Boy Scout winter camp nearly fifty years ago; of waking up not being able to feel my feet it was so cold. Yet we read not one word of such weather in the Book of Mormon. So wherever it happened, it didn't happen
in a cold climate.
As much as I would have liked to have Nephite armies marching through my back yard in the distant past, it just wasn't so.
John Roberts its just confirmation that climate change, polarity changes and plate tectonics are part of a natural cycle, that one should measure their judgement with.
+John Roberts - The climate was warmer 2000 years ago in north america. It was even warmer 150 years ago. Hopewell mounds in the midwest contained parakeet and parrot bones, a bird that can only live in warmer climates like florida today. Likewise there was a "little ice age" around 1300 -1400 AD when everything got colder, look it up. That's when castle building stopped in Europe, they couldn't heat the big stone buildings in the colder climate. The climate changes..... now we're in a warming trend hence "global warming" ..... but even with that, Nephi chose to describe the whiteness of the fruit of the tree of life as white as "the driven snow" obviously Nephi and his descendants were and would be familliar with "driven snow" otherwise why would he mention it? ..... could have been from their "Nephite Boy Scout expierences" :)
+Ryan Fisher I've been reading the AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF PARLEY P. PRATT (again) and he paints a picture of horrible ice and snow storms during the early days of his ministry. Battling a major blizzard on foot, on one occasion, the only food he had was a piece of frozen bread which he gnawed on while wading through large snow drifts. But the real problem I have is the poisonous serpents that cut off the land southward for a number of years. This would require a tropical climate and some bad ass snakes, snakes that are plentiful in Mesoamerica, but scarce in the Northeastern United States. As for Nephi's use of the term "snow," he grew up in Jerusalem where he and his family had seen snow many times. Even though future generations of Mesoamericans may not have romped in it, they could see it on mountain tops and discover its properties the way all explorers have. Despite that, no further references to snow are made in the Book of Mormon. No matter how warm you think it may have been two thousand years ago, it was never tropical during the time of Nephi to Mormon. As for the parakeet bones, that's a new one on me. Perhaps Hagoth or another Nephite explorer brought the parrots, or parakeets, with him from Mesoamerica. Who knows? I'd like to see more about that.
Abdulla Sarwar it dosen,t matter if we show you, tell you or read it to you.
this scripture in Isaiah is talking about the book of Mormon.
Isaiah 29:12
Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, "Read this, please," they will answer, "I don't know how to read."
The hill is uncovered that video
Some dude 200 years ago was on some serious chems and made up a whole book about a fictional ancient civilization and now ppl in 2022 actually believe that book to be true lol
Thanks for the work... keep up the fight.
+Scott Campanaro God only mentions one promise land and that is in Jerusalem promised to Abraham!
you're telling me that the LDS church doesn't have the money to excavate these sites ? 17:11 SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER
They calculate like 7 billions dollars a year, were is there money going from?
gym shorts LOL
It seems the nephite explorer is trying to convince himself
Well, he SAID he was. At the beginning of the video, he says his plan is to "investigate archaeology that supports Joseph Smith's writings". That's confirmation bias.
Still pushing this BS?
This seems like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
Researching? is suspect?
trevor anderson the square peg is the Book of Mormon, and the round hole is reality.
The man in the video says he is looking for evidence that supports Smith’s claims. You find out what the facts are then make conclusions. He is doing the opposite.
trevor anderson no there is a difference between “I want to learn the truth about the people of ancient America “ and “I want to find evidence that supports my beliefs”. The second path leads to rejecting the evidence that can’t be twisted to fit your view. That is how people argue for a flat Earth, geocentrism, or the Earth only being a few thousand years old.
Can you direct me to your source for the cover up of artifacts? Mormons have a poor track record in regards to there claims about that museum.
trevor anderson if you look at the effect of European contact on the American societies you will see a lot of history has been lost. I recently heard a podcast about the fall of the civilization on Easter island before contact they had a written language and now no one can read it.
There are somethings we may never know that is not a justification for speculation being touted as fact.
trevor anderson that is the racism that was rampant at the time and lead many people to say the savages didn’t build the mounds white people did before being killed by the savages, like the Book of Mormon says. They had their assumptions and refused to objectively examine the facts. Being wrong due to your bias and racial prejudice is not necessarily evidence of a cover up but does cast doubt on their claims, which is why evidence is better than claims.
I hear a whole bunch of assertions being made here (astronomical 'alignment' of some of these structures, what these features look like from the air, etc), but don't see any PROOF of these claims. This 'investigation' looks like someone who is predisposed to believing in what he sets out to prove.
watch the documentary called DNA Evidence of Book of Mormon Geography. Then we'll see if you are inclined to criticism. ;-)
"This 'investigation' looks like someone who is predisposed to believing in what he sets out to prove." - This is what professionals call "pseudoarcheology."
This video is basically "There were Native Americans and therefore Joseph Smith was right" but they completely ignore all the other evidence we have that says that those Native Americans came from northeast Asia, not Jeruselum.
Did he say "Kirkland"?
The mounds are burial grounds?
And yet there isn't a consensus of Non Mormon scientists that agree with you. Why is that?
where is the part two to this video? please thanks!
idarusskie,
The book of Mormon does not speak of warm weather either, does this mean they had none?
Fevers afflicting the people in certain seasons is mentioned denoting warm weather. Nephi uses the visual "driven snow" to convey the whiteness of the fruit of the tree of life.... a vision his posterity will read for generations to come. Why would he use a visual of something that they would never see? He wouldn't. He chose driven snow because everybody among the Nephites know how white driven snow is. Also the Lamanites fed on migrating beasts..... migrating beasts can only exist in far north or south America. Seasons causing migrations does not exist near the equator.... theres a few point's to consider.
Exactly...
NephiteExplorer
Wait a second. Give me the EXACT scripture references about "Snow" or cold weather? According to FARMS (Neal A Maxwell Institute), they firmly believe that this happened in MesoAmerica. The evidence is very strong. Again, where in the BOM does it even talk about Snow or cold weather? Let alone, think about the clothing they wore back then when they came to battle. C'mon, give me some real evidences to have me believe otherwise. Everything I've seen or heard leads me to Central America, Mexico
NephiteExplorer Have seen you on TV a little. Really like your work. Very powerful.
+NephiteExplorer The Lamanites went around half naked even to battle, all indications in the BoM point to a warm climate. Stop trying to distort the truth.
Parallelomania:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallelomania
News flash... all ancient people built ditches and embankment 😊
Having hiked mountains and hills for a long time, Waynes interpretation of this topography is from fantasy land! He say's they don't have the money to find actual archealogical evididence. The LDS Church does not have the money...that is quite laulghable? We all know that isn't true. Dig it up. Lets find the buildings and artifacts!
exactly! Nephite lands do not exist.
Mayans did the same
That's right came they could of enter mound that were no longer used
joseph gallardo sorry but can you rephrase that question or comment! It doesn’t sound right recread what you wrote! Thank you
Amazing!
Ok, those are 'L' rods Wayne has in his hand. I know hes not up there looking for water. What was using them to find?
you can douse fr just about anything. ;-) it's all in your intention.
Part of their search was looking for a spring
excellent video
Can't "steal" native land if we were here first lol
I like how many times the people explaining the many, many, many, parallels of these mounds to the Nephite people use the word, Imagine. You have to have a pretty big imagination to pretend these go hand in hand.
Did the letter to Emma have any messages to his other 39ish wives?
They are under water 💦
Jesus Christ is the God of Israel and the Redeemer of the Gentiles.
Hello everybody, if you want to see the land of Nephi, please come down to Bolivia an see the similar Salomon Temple thta Nephi built. Go to Tiahuanaco. Lehi´s family arrived in South America.
you mean mulekite lands who merged with Nepites the north lands
News flash.... dna of mound builders are native American
There is nice Jehovah Witnessess and Muslims too! Also nice Christians! Being nice doesn't mean your religion is the right one.
The most inconvenient part of this quest is the complete absence of literacy and written record-keeping among ANY Hopewell-era North American indigenous peoples. That might be a small problem in a hypothesis conflating North American people with the Book of Mormon.
There have been literally thousands of ancient records found, many of which have been nicknamed the "michigan tablets" however since they we're amassed in the 1800's before archaeology was formed, they have no provenance and won't be authenticated. I have seen and handled hundreds of these tablets, I'm guessing you haven't seen one, and don't even know about them.... but consider yourself an authority anyways..... that's inconvenient.
@@NephiteExplorer The Michigan Tablets have been called a elaborate hoax
the book of Mormon never speaks of cold weather.
Possibly it is events of nephites history foresure america located in america
Ex FARMS guy after FARMS got fired?
All Things Nephite??? How about anything 'Nephite'!?!?!? Hahaha
Green land many mormon characters died in a grern land it is evidence of book of mormon
well... most of us KNOW that The book of mormon took place in Southern Mexico and Central America.
there is official information that tells us where ZARAHEMLA was.
Historias de Navidad most people don’t know the book of mormon isn’t fiction.
Actually there is not office statement given by the general authorities of the Church about the location of an Book of Mormon city, river, battle, etc.
Historias de Navidad: are you kidding me? do you see any resemblance of these nahuatl (aztec) words to the hebrew language, cuz I sure don't???: ixtaccihuatl, huitzilopochtli, ahiacatl. tamalli, tonatzin, xocoyotzin, cuitlahuac, tonatiu, cuetlachtli.xochitlpilli...and so on..as you can see, no hebrew similarities whatsoever. The BoM is a very boring fictional story that has nothing to do with the aztec nation. I'm from the "purepecha" nation from Michoacan and is very offensive to us to think that some wasp puritan calvinistic story teller wrote a book about our "history" undignifying, diminishing, belittlening us, that we were cursed by God, with a dark pigmentation in our skin and that we were not able to build such amazing architecture. Btw your "prophet" doesn't speak w God, nor has any type of revelations, your top leaders are just a bunch of money hoarders and greedy old birds and their only God they worship is their $$money$$. What your leaders should do is stay home, eat their soup and play bingo.
Amateur hour .
When does part 2 come out?
wow!
Finding the Book of Mormon lands is easy. Find a place where there is: 1) lots of snakes; 2) no snow or ice; 3) large populations; 4) ancient cement roads; 5) large gold deposits and workmanship in gold and silver; 6) volcanic activity; 7) written language; 7) cement homes and abodes; 8) relatively small footprint of several hundred miles; 9) nearby oceans or large bodies of water; and 10) a geography that fits.
Although I don't believe the mound builders were the Nephites of the Book of Mormon, I believe Jesus may very well have visited them in the meridian of time and that they were of the lost sheep led here. But again, if they were Nephites, they weren't the Book of Mormon Nephites -- and we wouldn't know if there was a connection until we discovered writing or DNA samples. The numbers weren't right (the forts look more like Roman outposts) and I don't see evidence of a huge population. Our development.
Joseph Smith knew about the Nephites having seen them in vision, and later in life he seemed to shift his interest from the mound builders to the Mayans, arguably recognizing their cities. I've seen too much of the Mayans that resonated with me -- the great wars, roads, workmanship of metals, war. Never crossing frozen rivers, dying of exposure, frostbite (all mentioned by civil war military leaders, Gen. Washington and Revolutionary War soldiers). The Nephite chronicle writers, on the other hand, never even mentioned snow. They did mention throwing the bodies of enemy soldiers into the river and washing them out to sea -- which would be a bit difficult in the heartlands, setting there are no rivers that flow north into the sea.
We have to face the very real possibility that Joseph Smith didn't know where the Book of Mormon lands were. He saw the buildings and people in vision...most possibly knew a bit of their language. But back before I became a proponent of the Mesoamerican model, I loved to think of Nephites living at one time in my back yard. It just wasn't a realistic possibility. The geography just doesn't support it unless things have changed a lot.
I am 100% native American I speak my language but makes me sad that us an scientist don't know exactly where we come from what of natives are descendant from angels and they are just say we are from Asia but we are really not some are not all like j said I am full-blooded native American yet I look more like a jew lol for some reason.🤥🤔
Look up Wayne may research
There wasn't enough nephites or time to build all them mounds and produce and fight all that time or I could be wrong
What music is this?
However, there were groups of nephites who migrated Northward even to great distances to a land of great bodies of water as it is stated, which are the great lakes, but the main lands of the nephites are in mesoamerica
No Nephites went to Mesoamerica.
@@LibertarianUSA1982 then how come in part of Guatemala's history it is clearly documented a 1st nephi, 2nd nephi, 3rd and 4th? Each has a reference to a different time period. The name nephi is found all over mesoamerica, and it has yet to be found in north america.
@@stevent6614 nothing is documented. Stop lying. Stop making things fit your narrative.
@@LibertarianUSA1982 Im only stating facts. I probably wouldnt have believed it either if I didnt read it for myself. You can look it up. There is mention in "relaciones de las cosas" it talks about a "Nihaib 1, Nihaib 2, 3, and 4 and it had reference to different time periods. The document was from the highlands of guatemala, the location for the city of nephi, very close to the same location where you find " the tree of life" stone that dates back to around 600 BC, and is a depiction of Lehis dream of the tree of life. I wish I was making it up to fit my own narrative, but I dont know what would be the purpose of doing that, seeing that Im not trying to make money off of it.
Thanks for investigating the unknown. So few care. I have done the same thing. I find 2 explanations for the North American "mounds".
1) As Mormon's Nephite armies were pushed back in defeat beyond the "narrow neck of land" (the Isthmus of Panama) and the Lamanites gained access to the land northward for the first time, General Mormon sent a letter to the Lamanite commander requesting that he be allowed to go throughout the land and gather together all the Nephites for one last great battle, and was granted it. Mormon's armies moved north and retreated in battle numerous times, with and without Mormon as their leader. They eventually made their stand around the present day Hill Cumorah in upstate NY where the Nephite armies succumbed and for all practical purposes the Nephites were destroyed.
2) Along with this scenario is the account of the Nephites and Ammonites (converted Lamanites) who fled the land southward for the land northward in Alma 63 and Helaman 3. They went by ships built by Hagoth (Capt Moroni's "engineer") and by land by the the thousands! (Perhaps 10-15 thousand!) These people were fed up with the wars caused by Nephites who were disobedient. They changed their names to Nemenhah (People of the Lord). They settled North America in its entirety and were the ones responsible for the Hopewell civilization. Just as ALL of the righteous that the Lord leads away for preservation, He required them to keep records and set up His church. A portion of those records have been translated by their own surviving people and are available today as the Mentinah Records. The opening Book was written by Hagoth and followed by his son. Samuel the Lamanite was one of the authors and was told how he was sent down to preach to the wicked Nephites which we have an account of in the BoM.
At the end of the fighting between Nephites and Lamanites at Cumorah, Moroni, and a few of his friends who were stragglers in the land northward, met and wandered the land until they found their way to the Capital City of the Nemenhah, Mentinah.
Moroni wrote 2 of those books and lived to be 142 years old serving as the High Priest of the Nemanhah. Mormon's father Mormon was raised in the Nemanhah lands and brought his son, Mormon, south to central American Nephite cities of mesoAmerica when he was only 10. There he was introduced to Amoran who took him under wing and prepared him spiritually until his father took Mormon down into the land southward and the city of Zarahemla where his calling was made sure. Without this additional knowledge, you are just spinning your wheels and everything is still up for argument.
“Without this additional knowledge “ I am sorry but knowledge and assumptions are not the same.
NONSENSE!!! HAHAHA
@@gary_stavropoulos And YOU assume the knowledge isn't true. Since you haven't evaluated it, how valid is your opinion!
@@davidj.lebaron709 The same applies to you, you've made a definitive statement about something you know nothing about. That's why you offered no argument.
@@bdphourde things are true or not true. Not true is not the same as false. Things are considered true when evidence indicates they are true, and false when evidence indicates that. Not only are Mormon claims not true, many are false. I have actually evaluated the claims and compared them to reality which you appear to have not honestly done.
The laminate s own the mounds the nephites came
Nephites never existed.
You're inventing your own history. Just because Joseph Smith included some Native American history that was known at his time does NOT mean that the Native Americans were Nephites. You came about this little experiment the wrong way. DNA evidence completely contradicts the idea that Native Americans came from Jeruselum and Nephi's family. All you did here was suggest that MAYBE Nephits were Native Americans, you didnt prove anything. Ex mormons are well aware that Joseph Smith included some of his schooling and local geography into the Book of Mormon. You can't just say "Joseph said something accurate so he must have known about all of it." What Joseph said about the Nephites totally contradicts what we know from DNA and other archeological evidence. You need to go to school before doing archeology, or at least extremely expand your investigation to include evidence we already have. You're not going to be able to just dig up skulls and come to something conclusive, you need to rely on other findings as well.
The mounds suggest a huge population, but if Nephi had really come across the Pacific with his family then there wouldn't have been a large enough population to build those mounds by the time mentioned. Your own false history discounts your own findings. How did the Nephite population explode so quickly that they covered the continent and build massive structures in just a couple hundred years?
Native Americans were not descendants of Nephi, they were descendants of Nephi's older brothers, Laman & Lemuel. They were known as Lamanites. They warred against the Nephites chasing them out of South America which was the home of BOTH family descendancies, and up into North America, until the Nephites were killed off. Then the Lamanites began warring amongst themselves. That's the state in which they were found when Columbus arrived 1100 years later.
@@bdphourde Be careful when you say that the Lamanites chased the Nephites out of South America. Mainstream Mormonism teaches that the Nephites and Lamanites inhabited both North and South America; However, Joseph Smith explicitly taught that the Nephites & Lamanites DID NOT come from Mesoamerican. Lehi's family arrived and stayed in the "heartland" (North America).
@@bradythayer5034 No, "Mainstream Mormonism" teaches NOTHING about the BoM lands, even though much can be known from the BoM! The "Heartland Theory" is just a theory that jumps over evidence to arrive at a preconceived conclusion. There is nothing so conclusive in the BoM regarding geographic evidence than the "narrow neck of land that separates the land southward from the land northward"! The ONLY place that qualifies for that description in the entire western hemisphere is the Isthmus of Panama.
Gee ...and all this time, Mormons have been telling me that the Nephites built the Mayan ruins. It seems that they are highly confused about the facts of basic history. Or ...are they just still trying to find at least somewhere to jam their fantasies back into history?
The Church does not claim where they were exactly but Joseph Smith did say some things. The idea of the Mayan came from evidence at the time that Jesus may have also came to them. And Mormons did not have access to everything Joseph Smith said about it at the time. The evidence that Jesus may have also came to Mayan was published in a Mormon paper long, long ago. See?
What "evidence at the time" suggests Jesus may have visited mayan civilization? A "mormon paper" of "long long ago" is not evidence
lcar4000 The Aztec were looking for return of Quetzalcoatl the Great White God who promised to return.
A period of approximately 1300 years from death of Nephite civilization to Europeans KNOWN settlements in present United States. Christ's Crucification effected the entire earth particularly American continent.
By the way, let's not forget, the literal brother of Jesus is SATAN???
In my opinion, the "lds" moron "robots" are some of the most meanest, nastiest, brain-dead interbreaded fucking deluded FOOLS in human history! Oh...love the sacred underwear you jack-asses!
Mormons are struggling with their lies.but its funny to ask them about it.they have different opinions and they are all right.and hard to believe.
Have Thomas Monson ask God where the the book of Mormon lands where. It would save a lot of time, and speculation.
All you need is the HOLY BIBLE, wake up.
Does Wayne may speak officially for the mormon church?
@Billy R: No. Not now. Not ever. He's a charlatan hip deep in a scam. He is a modern-day Nehorite practicing priestcraft. He would love to separate you from your money and he wants you to go to his seminars and call him, "Master." As in, Master, tell us, which is the greater mound, Ohio or Missouri?
@@TheShinyDog
Are you a mormon?
@@billyr9162 If you mean am I an active member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the answer is, Yes! I have a temple recommend. I have a calling in the ward. I sustain President Nelson as prophet, seer and revelator.
Here's what the Church says on the topic of where, for example, Zarahemla is: "The Church does not take a position on the specific geographic locations of Book of Mormon events in the ancient Americas. President M. Russell Ballard, Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, reminded members that “the Book of Mormon is not a textbook on topography. Speculation on the geography of the Book of Mormon may mislead instead of enlighten; such a study can be a distraction from its divine purpose.”" www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/book-of-mormon-geography?lang=eng
@@TheShinyDog
Will you got this guy Wayne May running around representing the mormon church.
Now you're telling me the mormon church doesn't officially take a position on where the location a all the American Indians who were supposedly Jews lived.
Well they did in the past didn't they? Didn't your president used to visit South America and dedicate temples?
@@billyr9162 Wayne May does not represent the Church. He may pretend that he does, but he's way out of line. Please forgive him for his deceptive practices.
For many years members and leaders of the Church have speculated about where the descendants of the Nephites/Lamanites might be. Some think the events of The Book of Mormon occurred throughout North and South America. Some think mostly in Mesoamerica. Some think only within the boundaries of the United States of America. Opinions are fine, but some take it to extremes. The Church officially says, "We don't know." And that's fine because geography is not critical in gaining a testimony of The Book of Mormon.
It's the same for the Bible. So far, for example, there has been no evidence found proving Adam and Eve were the first parents. And that's OK. We can still know through the Spirit that the words in the book of Genesis are true.
Yes, the president of the Church goes to many places around the world to teach and dedicate temples. The importance of temples can be seen in the Bible. So we continue to build temples.
Do you have any more questions?
Maybe you can look for Middle Earth after you find the Nephite Lands.
Look at the archeological finds
I'm still waiting to see the mines where the Nephites got their gold and silver, which the Book of Mormon says was plentiful. And yes, we see references to Old Testament names in the Hopewell areas, which is impressive. What don't we have? Book of Mormon names, which we would expect to see. I believe the Book of Mormon peoples (some of them) went north, but the events of the book most of them remained in Mesoamerica. We have no mention of snow or ice in the Book of Mormon, but we see plenty of it in our own church history. The problem is, we get too we'd to theories that we don't see the other sides.
Nothing said about the dowsing rods carried by Wayne May. Oh well, Joseph Smith used the same or similar devises to find buried treasure. Mr. May is probably trying to find the great horde of swords, helmets, breast plates, wheels and horse bones. You say that there were none of these things in America before Columbus/Vikings. That's because someone came along with a giant broom and dust pan and cleaned it all up.
How could there be Nephite land? there never were any Nephites, a lie of Joseph Smith
bobby williams
"never any Nephites"
And you know this..... how? The antiMormons told you.
cdowis Actually they've never been identified outside of the dubious work produced by a man, a rock, and his hat.
GDK
I agree that the issue is identification. If you find a jade necklace, how would you know whether it was Nephite, Lamanite,or some other group.
+cdowis Just a burning in my bosom
How incredibly deceptive can you be? THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.
that nice evidence
Laughable pseudo science.
you're a worthless liberal
Good luck...the whole face change with the big earthquake..
I do not believe the Book of Mormon took place in the land that is now known as the U.S.A. I have asked several scholars at BYU about their opinion, and the common answer I always receive points back to Central America.
After years of research, LDS scholars accept mesoamerica as the primary location of the Book of Mormon events. North America is probably the "land northward" mentioned in the text, but it tells us very little about events there.
cdowis Where was the final Cumorah battle, Mesoamerica or New York?
GDK
Interesting that you would ask that question. It's clear to me that the text describes a mesoamerican setting.
North America was part of the BOM lands (inhabited by Nephites), and was called the "land northward".
cdowis I'm well aware of the current state of Mormon apologetics (or, as you would call it, scholarship).
I am also aware of the
October 16, 1990 to Bishop Darrel L. Brooks of Moore, Oklahoma by the Office of the First Presidency addressing that very question:
"Dear Bishop Brooks:
I have been asked to forward to you for acknowledgment and handling the enclosed copy of a letter to President Gordon B. Hinckley from Ronnie Sparks of your ward. Brother Sparks inquired about the location of the Hill Cumorah mentioned in the Book of Mormon, where the last battle between the Nephites and Lamanites took place.
*The Church has long maintained, as attested to by references in the writings of General Authorities, that the Hill Cumorah in western New York state is the same as referenced in the Book of Mormon.*
The Brethren appreciate your assistance in responding to this inquiry, and asked that you convey to Brother Sparks their commendation for his gospel study.
Sincerely yours,
(signed)
F. Michael Watson
Secretary to the First Presidency"
GDK
The church has no official stance on the geography of the Book of Mormon, and, as secretary to the First Presidency, he was speaking according to his own understanding, and was not speaking for the church.
He has since clarified his statement. See the section "Clarification"
en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon/Geography/Statements/Twentieth_century/First_Presidency_Letter
cdowis Well Joseph Smith Never said it was in south America or central America. It was early saints that wanted proof and took the Mayan ruins as the Nephite people. But the DNA does not match up. The remnant of the Hopewell Indians have the same DNA as those in the europe and Palestine dating back to 500 BC hmm. The narrow neck of land is not Panama it takes weeks to transverse it on foot! the first white people to do it took six months and killed half the party! So the Book of Mormon never took place in that god forsaken lands.
AHAHAHAHAH! This is so much more enjoyable once you pretend its comedy!
The Hopewell people have their ealiest mound remnants dating back to 4,500 BC in Louisiana. About 1,500 b.c. they migrated into the Ohio River Valley. From there, they spread out mostly south, southwest, west, and northwest into Canada. The Hopewell culture survived until the expedition of De Soto who recounts them. They were in decline at this time, but early Spanish and French explorers were the nail in the coffin as they spread their diseases. The Hopewell culture were not the fictional Nephites. This guy is of the the same caliber as young earth creatard "scientists".
scott england I would be interested where you obtained this information.
@@corybrown4667 research Cory.
When time after time you come up with nothing. It's probably a Hoax
The BoM is Religious Fiction
@scottengland, Actually, you are confusing multiple mound builders. The earliest Hopewell mounds are found in Florida, and then Missouri, dating to around 600 B.C.
The Adena mound builders were around much much earlier. They have been identified by NON Mormon archaeologists as two separate groups. If you're going to attack the information, at least know what you are talking about.
The guy on this video claims to be an archaeologist, but apparently doesn't seem to know that a piece of pottery cannot actually be carbon dated. LOL
they didn't find pottery, they found tarnished copper. and cities cannot be "carbon dated," but they can be estimated based on remains of their dead (which by the way can be carbon dated) as well as technology such as how tarnished their iron and copper was, etc. how do you think they date mesoamerica and ancient Greece?
Cameron Davis He specifically said the pottery was "carbon dated". The point is, a real archeologist would never say that.
101mythbuster he also seems to take on an Indiana jones persona
Even if any signs of a civilization were to be dated to approximately the same period as the fiction writer, Joseph Smith claims, that does not mean that they are Nephites, Lamanites or any other persons in Joseph Smith's novels. HE MADE IT ALL UP.