The story reminds me a little of another American from the same period, Frederick Townsend Ward. He was a Confederate sympathiser who fought for the Imperial Chinese Army, and he played an instrumental role in the suppression of the Taiping Rebellion. He also threatened to sink all union ships that dared approach the coasts of Shanghai, and openly advocated for the Confederate cause to other Americans based in China at the time. In recognition of his service to the Chinese Qing Dynasty, Ward was awarded Chinese citizenship.
Then there is John S. Mosby of Mosby raiders fame. After the war, he became US consul to Hong Kong and made a good career cleaning up the corruption. So you had lots of Southern Protestant missionaries in China got to my father and then that pulled into me.
Do you have any sources for Ward being a Confederate sympathizer? Caleb Carr’s biography of Ward, “The Devil Soldier,” cites letters Ward wrote to relatives in America where he expresses his hatred for the Confederacy, calling Jefferson Davis and his cabinet “blackguards” (p.69). He also called a fellow American (Georgian) and U.S. Minister to China, John Elliot Ward, who supported the Confederates “a damned traitor [who has] joined the rascals” (p.95), and even sold gunboats to the Union navy for use in the Civil War (p.223). Perhaps you’re thinking of his lieutenant, Henry Andrea Burgevine, who wrote publically in support of slavery and the Confederate cause?
As for the sinking of Union ships, there were some unsubstantiated rumors of Ward being a Confederate sympathizer who planned to lead a gang of Californians as Confederate privateers aboard the Neva to sink Union ships off China’s coasts, but these originated in Hong Kong and Shanghai newspaper articles based on hearsay if not entirely fabricated. The Neva affair never materialized, and all Ward’s personal correspondences all indicate he was an ardent supporter of the Union. The NYT article “A Little Trouble in Big China” by Stephen R. Play covers this incident in more detail.
One thing that I've found out about the US Civil War is that people's loyalties and sympathies turn out to be very complicated particularly over time. John S. Mosby would be someone you wouldn't expect to be a Republican working with Ulysses S. Grant but that's what happened.
One interesting story is that of Chang and Eng Bunker who were conjoined twins from Sian and the origin of the term Siamese twins. They settled in North Carolina. Married local girls, bought slaves, and had kids that fought on the side of the Confederacy during the Civil War.
Also the Bunker brothers seemed to end up quite wealthy because they managed their own appearances and ended up in high society. The Siamese twins ended up being part of literature of the Civil War.
@@MintyLime703 The fascinating thing about the closing months of the Civil War started to resemble the trenches of WW1, but no one at the time noticed that. It looks to me thar the next two major wars (the Austro-Prussian War and the Franco-Prussian War) gave a misleading direction as to the nature of war.
Egyptian: "We had Christianity here since before the Romans." Confederate: "I love it!" Egyptian: "Most of us converted to Islam." Confederate: "I hate it." Egyptian: "We have a tradition of slavery that goes way back." Confederate: "I love it!" Egyptian: "But the Pyramids were built with a labour tax." Confederate: "I hate it."
@@julianhermanubis6800 Not what I am talking about. I am talking about the Coptic Christians between Christ and when the Romans converted. That's a few centuries time difference...
@@Amadeus8484 There was no magic date when the "Romans converted." Christianity was a religion that grew slowly in the East over 3 centuries' time and not so much in the West. At the time Constantine the Great and Licinius issued their edict of toleration (aka "the Edict of Milan"), the East was maybe 25% Christian while the West of the Empire was 10 percent Christian at most. The Copts were by no means the only Christians during this time period. Who told you that? LOL
@@julianhermanubis6800 When Constantine converted the conversion rate really kicked off. By then the Coptic Christians had already been in Egypt for centuries. I cannot explain it more simply than that.
Part 2 is here - ua-cam.com/video/B5g0ClcgvRs/v-deo.html I now have some exlusive videos going up on Patreon. The first covers a Thai Soldier in the US Civil War. Next will cover things like the first Monotheistic religion, Polish-Japanese Alliance, the "Tiger King", Phoenecian Explorers and all other sorts of historical tidbits. -www.patreon.com/Jabzy. There should be 2-3 going up per month and, of course, you'll help out in bringing some better made series to this channel. Plus a very special thanks to Tad586, David Harrison, Matthew Kallend, Andreas, Spencer Polio, Mike Takano, LargeDoubloon73, Comrade, Cap, Brett Cowie, John Paul Ferguson, Frank den Blanken, Matthew, Celso Azevedo and everyone else who supported me over the years.
"The first covers a Thai Soldier in the US Civil War" "Polish-Japanese Alliance" WTF? O_o P.S.: The second one sure could have benefitted them Poles during WW2. :-S
Well americans documented their times in the Ottoman empire in the late 1800s. They were shocked that a African officer in the Ottoman army had white servants. It was like their world has come upside down.
Hello, I'm Egyptian and I had previous knowledge of the Confederate/Union officers in the Egyptian army in this period, I'm also a fan of CSA in general. Your video is great, but you could add more about their general life in Egypt as it wasn't only about military, they also faced some funny stuff there. Anyways, continue this series.
@@ShellShock11C American civil war is literally one of the most interesting thing in the history of the American continent,of course people will take notice lol
Braxton Bragg: You, soldier, ride to Memphis and deliver a letter to General Hood about a possible Union attack This guy: *Starts packing up all his shit and goes to Egypt* Braxton Bragg: Godamnit not again
@Hunter Smith 10,000 confederates emigrated so you can probably guess at this point their families have 3 - 4 generations… thats 100,000 plus people considering how many kids people had back in those days,
Three hundred thousand Yankees lay stiff in Southern dust! We got three hundred thousand before they conquered us. They died of Southern fever and Southern steel and shot, I wish we'd got three million instead of what we got.
@@rwps3677 I can't take up my musket And fight 'em now no more, But I ain't going to love 'em, Now that is sarten sure, And I don't want no pardon For what I was and am. I won't be reconstructed, And I don't care a damn.
@@jonathanwilliams1065 I mean..... they kinda were atleast on par with the nazis with their treatment of enslaved black Americans, but I’m honestly surprised because of their treatment of black people that he would go to a continent where they’re from ( even if Egypt isn’t majority black)
They went everywhere parts of their lifestyle could be maintained In Egypt theres slavory and cottom The same thing in the amazon florest where they moved
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I heard of him when i was researching about why my country was defeated in that war. wasn't the best idea to recruit someone who was defeated in one of the biggest conflicts at that time right after he was defeated, classic Ismail pasha, always relying on foreigners until it all goes on his head. amazing and informative video as usual! a refreshing but sad look at that part of my country's history
@@sepep6288 Indeed he did Conquer most if the Nile successfully, I was referring to the impending debt that hasn't been payed to this day and how the British overthrew him themselves in favour of his son
@@retf8977 I think the British would have come up with any pretext to occupy Egypt after the construction of the Suez canal anyway even if there were no debts so it is not about Ismael Pasha.
@@sepep6288 it would've, but Ismail didn't even try to resist. He just caved in, and went all in with the debts, Which just made an easier job for Britain.
I find it interesting how the Confederate officer cites Cuba ('on the doorstep of the freest nation on Earth') as a place were slaves are treated with cruelty and brutality in comparison to the relative comfort of being a domestic slave in Egypt, but I wonder if he thought the treatment of slaves in the South before the Civil War was cruel? I wouldn't be surprised if Cuba and Brazil were worse places to be a slave than the United States, but this seems to me of him rationalizing or turning a blind eye to the cruelty practiced in his own country before the civil war, and by the side that he fought for. He does compare the lot of Egyptian peasants as being much worse than American slaves ('who lived fine palaces and wore fine linen in comparison'), but is this hyperbole? Or he thought the condition of the peasants was this terrible? Or he thought that American slaves had it easy? A very fascinating memoir.
Not all the Confederates liked slavery, and most didn't have slaves. The main thing that determined loyalty during the Civil War was which state you were in. If your state was in the north you were with the north. If it was in the south you were with the south.
@@ivorkovac303 yup, when your friends from school start getting killed you tend to fight those killing them. For the soldier it was about his buddies that were killed, for the politicians and elite class it was about maintaining control of their slaves and wealth. Sounds kinda familiar, elites causing strife and war among the normal people to maintain their power and control over certain groups or things.
Probably was worse off and he probably didn't know much about the treatment. The slave owners in the south were a minority as most in the region either fought out of loyalty to their state or because they didn't really trust the idea of a more centralized USA.
@Mialisus that sort of pawn shop stoicism sounds good online, but I know you've never had a manual labor job or have ever had your life been seriously put at risk like a soldier or fireman. Wtf are you talking about postmodernism for dude, clean your room and start talking to women irl lmao.
I mean technically you could theoretically get that in hoi4. >set the US ai to weak and to go fascist >set the canadian and/or mexican ai to go strong and fascist > decolonised africa >go democratic > wait until fascist canada and mexico attack fascist USA aka the confederates > declare war on Canada and mexico >invite the US to create a faction with you >let them capitulate >host their government in exile >wait Bada bing bada boom you have a confederate general in the Egyptian army
They were better treated? An estimated 20 million Black African slaves were taken during the Trans Sahara slave trade ( which still exists today ) I ask you, where are the descendants of these 20 million slaves?
@@robertisham5279 The only slave's the Democratic Party cares about are the slave's they once owned but somehow managed to project their historical sins on the anti-slavery party.
Great video. When listening to this Confederate guy talk I couldn't help thinking of John Carter of Mars. This is probably how John Carter would talk if he went to Africa.
That was actually an Irishmen who served in the Pontifical Swiss Guard as a Commander during Garibaldi's siege of Rome and he ended up becoming a Union officer later on and then died in the battle of Little Bighorn. His name was Myles Walter Keogh.
Correction, he helped train the Continental Army, but he wrote the actual drill manual later for the U.S. Army after independence was won. Here's a link to the first official regulations: archive.org/details/2575061R.nlm.nih.gov Interesting reading, especially if you've done any drill and have that frame of reference for comparison.
It's interesting how he refers to the egyptian laborer as the "brown and yellow man." Interesting color terminology before the racialization of East Asians that happened a mere few decades later.
Absolutely fascinating! I can't imagine what all this man saw and the journey he went on from the Old South to the depths of Africa and beyond, especially back then. Just incredible! Thanks so much for sharing this interesting story.
A lot of former Confederates left the burning ruins of the Confederacy and started new lives in other countries. The most famous was likely Judah P. Benjamin, one-time Confederate Secretary of War and Secretary of State and close confidant of Confederate President Jefferson Davis, who fled to Victorian England and bercame a prominent attorney in the country and wrote a classic legal treatise, entitled BENJAMIN ON SALES, which is STILL in print.
Many also went to Egypt because they needed to modernize their army and thus they hired mang out of work foreign officers The other countries Confederate exiles went to, Brazil and Mexico, also had conflict, though I’m not sure how many were employed by the military
It's worth keeping in mind that the beginning describes how rich people lived. Though Islam permits polygamy, a man probably wouldn't have a harem if he was poor. He'd be lucky to end up with one wife before dying young or middle aged.
Hearing that the confederates was in my country before. I actually didn't hear that but now I'm amazed after I learnt this fact. in short: I'm happy that my country was visited by everyone worldwide.
Just a note: i dont mean to be harsh, but the dress of these ethiopians is quite innacurate; the architecture is better. Many would have either a) worn the traditional cotton _shamma_ (as was worn by Wolde Mikael Solomon) or a white "kilt" around the waist. They would have, indeed, been barefoot. Hairstyles might have been braided, put into "dreads" (not actual dreads, but large braids that resemble them), worn cropped, or potentially even worn in a small to massive 'fro. Emperor Yohannes (John in English) fashioned himself with cornrows, as did many women (afro puffs or, pulled back, were other choices for ladies). Women were seemingly topless at times, but frequently wore clothing to tidy themselves. Facial hair was common among men, as were turbans and ocassionally caps aswell. What was depicted here is more appropriate for Southern Africa, not for Sudan and Kenya adjacent Ethiopia. I'm a fan of the channel, so I must admit that I was quite dissapointed here. If you need reference images, feel free to reach out! Thatching was oft "tidy" for lack of a better way to put it, thatch often was darker, and hut walls were often plastered over in mud.
@@Yanzdorloph they lived farther south of the empire for one, and did not dress as depicted for two. I recommend you look up how rift valley people look. They dont wear what i assume are lion hairs on their legs like that, for starters. That image depicts southern africans, and i am pretty confident to say this this because im sure ive seen the image that Jazby traced to make this before.
His description of the fellahin is the polar opposite the French scholars in Napoleon's army gave the Egyptian fellahin saying they would not tolerate any cruelty by their Turkish governors who were few in number and would respond by immediate rioting . This is supported by the urabi revolt in response to English abuse in the 1900's. I'm guessing he witnessed a single incident where the aforementioned occurred and over generalized.
no, indeed the fellaheen would be tortured and forced to claim loyalty to their Turkish, Circassia and other foreign masters. yes, they sometimes they revolted, but under unified leadership like under Ahmed Urabi pasha, they tolerated the pasha's rule as the owner of Egypt and a Muslim, and the Turkish caliph as the caliph, but they couldn't tolerate complete foreigners colonizing their land and taking their recourses, like in the case of Britain and France.
@@retf8977 indeed your arse you can find what I say cited in View of Ancient and Modern Egypt With an Outline of Its Natural History By Michael Russell · 1874. Off with you now.
@@ranro7371 why so angry? idc about what you cited, they did indeed revolt and i acknowledged that. but you have a shallow understanding of this topic that you can't comprehend the concept of different time periods, and i can't be racist to people who i belong to. i am Egyptian too, and the oppression of fellaheen was well documented and still lingers on in the consciousness of the Egyptian fellaheen.
General Pickett of the Confederate Army was the commanding officer of a Corps in the Egyptian Army his rank was Lieutenant General and his V Corps flew the Bonnie blue flag and the Confederate flag
And on other forces going to African countries to train and manage troops etc. In the late 1950s- 1960s . Several Norwegian Navy officers and civillian workers went to Ethiopia to train their navy in use of new equipment and since Norway was outside the English/ Italian US/ Warsaw Pact influence sphere it was considered a best of western options . And the crew had a great time there ,and interesting service record list writings.
The thing is, black Africans that were slaves in North Africa were castrated, meat and veg in slave markets in Tripoli before being sold, with a percentage bleeding out before they could even reach the sale yard. It's why there is not a large black African population in North Africa today. So, it was a very horrifically brutal life of slavery in that reason, as it was in the South.
not true not all black African slaves were castrated only the ones who was sold to serve women and stay inside the house with women were castrated and in this time period this practice became very rare
Well they were southerners so working in the field was a usual occurrence to most of them, I mean only 6% of the white Southern population owned slaves as of 1860, so majority of these southern white men and women were used to working with the sun on their necks and whatever was left open vulnerable to a sunburn
Islamic slavery is very different than European and it's not the end of someone if he's taken into slavery you can rise over it just look at Janisary and Mamluks.
Yes, it's very different. One of those cultures perpetually wrestled with the moral evil vs the economic "necessity" of the slave trade, and the other doesn't see anything wrong with it to this day. And Europeans freed their slaves too, so it isn't a distinction between the systems at all.
@@Longshanks1690 like the video says the slaves were not labors forced to mine/farm but instead the played the role of servant and soldiers the difference is in the west slaves are considered tool and a mean of production vs east were they are the lower cast .
@@Longshanks1690 Europeans banned slavery after the invention of machine, not for moral reasons.. Who see slavery normal today? Can i give you plenty of racist Americans today who provoke Black people and tell you all your people see slavery a good thing? Use intelligent arguments please Also did you watch the video? Or you just jumped to the comments? The answer for your comment is in the video itself by the Confederate soldier.
@@Longshanks1690 "freed their slaves" then abused them and their descendants to this day. Where are the descendants of the slaves of egypt today? Do they suffer the same systemic opression that their western conterparts suffer from this day?
William Loring was not in charge of the invasion in Ethiopia but rather the Egyptian Ratib Pasha. It was the second attempt at an invasion after a disastrous first one by a Danish commander. The Confederates had very little to do with planning the campaign, although all foreigners were blamed anyway by the Egyptians afterwards. So, seriously, you're just...whistling "Dixie." LOL
@@ByzantineCapitalManagement How is it ironic? Hispanics were treated better in the South than the North at the time, and many of them fought for the Confederacy during the civil war.
@@thesssradio5008 Most southerners didnt care for nor fight for slavery. The north had taxed them to poverty and that led to alot of resentment. Along side suspending habious corpus, this all culmimated to most southerners viewing Lincoln as a tyrant, and constitionally he was. Look into Shelby Footes works on the civil war he paints it in the shades of grey it really was. Not black ans white
I watched both parts. Quite interesting, However, Mr. Lauren did not tell us the true motives for an American confederate to join the Egyptian Army in his campaign in the south. Nor he told us about his role and military expertise during that war. I fond this intriguing yet ORIENTALISTIC to the core!
General Sherman went to Egypt? I've never heard that before. I learned a lot about him because I live in his hometown of Lancaster Ohio. But that's definitely a new one.
Names are regularly translated into English. Everyone should call him King John when speaking English. The other name you didn't translate is Theodore.
Those were the retarded words of confederate dude, narrated from by a voice actor, presumably from dude's journal. Chill bro and stop calling for cancellation of things that hurt ur feelings.
@@ynotdrewans4957 I wish the government hadn't hijacked the school system and brainwashed generations of children into thinking everything they say is correct and that anything they deem bad, is bad. Sic Semper Tyrannis, Voce Populi. Down with the federal tyrants!
they went to the Other Memphis
Well done...
The original* Memphis
Lol. You beat me to it.
Oh My God Lol!
Well played.....peace from cairo
The story reminds me a little of another American from the same period, Frederick Townsend Ward. He was a Confederate sympathiser who fought for the Imperial Chinese Army, and he played an instrumental role in the suppression of the Taiping Rebellion. He also threatened to sink all union ships that dared approach the coasts of Shanghai, and openly advocated for the Confederate cause to other Americans based in China at the time. In recognition of his service to the Chinese Qing Dynasty, Ward was awarded Chinese citizenship.
Then there is John S. Mosby of Mosby raiders fame. After the war, he became US consul to Hong Kong and made a good career cleaning up the corruption.
So you had lots of Southern Protestant missionaries in China got to my father and then that pulled into me.
Do you have any sources for Ward being a Confederate sympathizer? Caleb Carr’s biography of Ward, “The Devil Soldier,” cites letters Ward wrote to relatives in America where he expresses his hatred for the Confederacy, calling Jefferson Davis and his cabinet “blackguards” (p.69). He also called a fellow American (Georgian) and U.S. Minister to China, John Elliot Ward, who supported the Confederates “a damned traitor [who has] joined the rascals” (p.95), and even sold gunboats to the Union navy for use in the Civil War (p.223). Perhaps you’re thinking of his lieutenant, Henry Andrea Burgevine, who wrote publically in support of slavery and the Confederate cause?
As for the sinking of Union ships, there were some unsubstantiated rumors of Ward being a Confederate sympathizer who planned to lead a gang of Californians as Confederate privateers aboard the Neva to sink Union ships off China’s coasts, but these originated in Hong Kong and Shanghai newspaper articles based on hearsay if not entirely fabricated. The Neva affair never materialized, and all Ward’s personal correspondences all indicate he was an ardent supporter of the Union. The NYT article “A Little Trouble in Big China” by Stephen R. Play covers this incident in more detail.
One thing that I've found out about the US Civil War is that people's loyalties and sympathies turn out to be very complicated particularly over time. John S. Mosby would be someone you wouldn't expect to be a Republican working with Ulysses S. Grant but that's what happened.
with foreign intervention, qing stayed in power until 1911. sun yat-sen negotiated with other countries to not interfere
Now this is an interesting story, it’s also interesting to note the foreigners who fought for both sides in the Civil War
One interesting story is that of Chang and Eng Bunker who were conjoined twins from Sian and the origin of the term Siamese twins. They settled in North Carolina. Married local girls, bought slaves, and had kids that fought on the side of the Confederacy during the Civil War.
Actually just made a video on Patreon about a Thai soldier who fought for the Union - George Dupont.
Also the Bunker brothers seemed to end up quite wealthy because they managed their own appearances and ended up in high society. The Siamese twins ended up being part of literature of the Civil War.
There were Muslim soldiers for the Union also
@@MintyLime703 The fascinating thing about the closing months of the Civil War started to resemble the trenches of WW1, but no one at the time noticed that. It looks to me thar the next two major wars (the Austro-Prussian War and the Franco-Prussian War) gave a misleading direction as to the nature of war.
Egyptian: "We had Christianity here since before the Romans."
Confederate: "I love it!"
Egyptian: "Most of us converted to Islam."
Confederate: "I hate it."
Egyptian: "We have a tradition of slavery that goes way back."
Confederate: "I love it!"
Egyptian: "But the Pyramids were built with a labour tax."
Confederate: "I hate it."
@JustSomeFaggot Yes but the Coptic Christians settled in Egypt before the Romans converted to Christianity :)
There was no Christianity in Ptolemaic Egypt. Christ hadn't even been born yet.
@@julianhermanubis6800 Not what I am talking about. I am talking about the Coptic Christians between Christ and when the Romans converted. That's a few centuries time difference...
@@Amadeus8484 There was no magic date when the "Romans converted." Christianity was a religion that grew slowly in the East over 3 centuries' time and not so much in the West. At the time Constantine the Great and Licinius issued their edict of toleration (aka "the Edict of Milan"), the East was maybe 25% Christian while the West of the Empire was 10 percent Christian at most. The Copts were by no means the only Christians during this time period. Who told you that? LOL
@@julianhermanubis6800 When Constantine converted the conversion rate really kicked off. By then the Coptic Christians had already been in Egypt for centuries. I cannot explain it more simply than that.
"Why did the Confederate soldier go to Egypt?" sounds like a joke.
To get burnt by the sun
To hopefully rid us of the plague we have now!
he got lost on his way to Memphis
@@Roamingeast haha good one! this needs more likes!
To get reburnt by the sun
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Can you please do the Portugese Ajuran war comrade?
"The first covers a Thai Soldier in the US Civil War"
"Polish-Japanese Alliance"
WTF? O_o
P.S.: The second one sure could have benefitted them Poles during WW2. :-S
Cool and many thanks 😊
Would you provide your primary sources for this? FASCINATING!
Well americans documented their times in the Ottoman empire in the late 1800s. They were shocked that a African officer in the Ottoman army had white servants.
It was like their world has come upside down.
Most of the Ottoman Janisseries where whites from the balkans.
@@baldwintheleper8290 And damn good fighters being a janissary although a slave was a life of privilege and influence
There was a lot of white slaves in North Africa and the ottoman empire in the early 17th century and earlier.
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Were there actual black africans in high positions during the late 1800s? Or are you refering to north africans?
Hello, I'm Egyptian and I had previous knowledge of the Confederate/Union officers in the Egyptian army in this period, I'm also a fan of CSA in general. Your video is great, but you could add more about their general life in Egypt as it wasn't only about military, they also faced some funny stuff there. Anyways, continue this series.
I'm an American Southerner, and my family fought for the Confederacy. I wasn't aware people outside the USA had an interest.
@@ShellShock11C American civil war is literally one of the most interesting thing in the history of the American continent,of course people will take notice lol
@@ihavenojawandimustscream4681 Haha, that makes sense!
@@ShellShock11CSome Canadians have taken an interest. Recently a monument was made to Canadians who fought on both sides of the American Civil war.
@@SI-ln6tc I'd love to see that. Where is it at?
Braxton Bragg: You, soldier, ride to Memphis and deliver a letter to General Hood about a possible Union attack
This guy: *Starts packing up all his shit and goes to Egypt*
Braxton Bragg: Godamnit not again
lol. I can relate to this in so many ways.
😂 Didn't make the connection until now. Great joke! 👏
Just think of the alt-history potential if he converted to Islam and had a second confederacy based on Islamic values
Brazil has a HUGE confederate community, they still fly the flag have ceremonies, load moved over there when the war ended
@Hunter Smith 10,000 confederates emigrated so you can probably guess at this point their families have 3 - 4 generations… thats 100,000 plus people considering how many kids people had back in those days,
@Hunter Smith that's a pretty big expat community for country that only existed for a few years
It's like a racists getaway place. 🤣
"Oh I'm a good old rebel, Now that's just what I am and for this Yankee nation I do not give a Damn."
“I’m glad I fought against her I only wish we'd won, I ain't asked any pardon For anything I've done I hates the Yankee nation And eveything they do.”
Three hundred thousand Yankees lay stiff in Southern dust!
We got three hundred thousand before they conquered us.
They died of Southern fever and Southern steel and shot,
I wish we'd got three million instead of what we got.
@@rwps3677 I can't take up my musket
And fight 'em now no more,
But I ain't going to love 'em,
Now that is sarten sure,
And I don't want no pardon
For what I was and am.
I won't be reconstructed,
And I don't care a damn.
If you want the South to be free, look into what I'm trying to do - get a new nation formed (with its own independent political party for the South)
@@thealiachekzaifoundationof3822 Good luck.
I would’ve never thought a confederate general would go to Africa. If you learn something new everyday
Many people have no idea about the Confederacy and only listen to CRT nonsense that portrays an entire nation as worse than Nazis
@@jonathanwilliams1065 I mean..... they kinda were atleast on par with the nazis with their treatment of enslaved black Americans, but I’m honestly surprised because of their treatment of black people that he would go to a continent where they’re from ( even if Egypt isn’t majority black)
@@jonathanwilliams1065 this has to be some form of satire
They went everywhere parts of their lifestyle could be maintained
In Egypt theres slavory and cottom
The same thing in the amazon florest where they moved
@@trey5747
Slavery was only abolished in Africa as recently as 2008
This channel is way underrated this man put some effort to produce videos like this.. hope youll get more subs
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The Dixie on the Nile
That's like an old joke I heard.
Why did the Rebs run to Egypt?
Because they were in deNile
Hahaha
Dixie on the Nile! That is a good one.
I heard of him when i was researching about why my country was defeated in that war. wasn't the best idea to recruit someone who was defeated in one of the biggest conflicts at that time right after he was defeated, classic Ismail pasha, always relying on foreigners until it all goes on his head. amazing and informative video as usual! a refreshing but sad look at that part of my country's history
Recruiting foreigners was already an established convention.
Ismael Pasha did conquer most of the white nile successfully though... It is the Ethiopian mountains that were impenetrable
@@sepep6288 Indeed he did Conquer most if the Nile successfully, I was referring to the impending debt that hasn't been payed to this day and how the British overthrew him themselves in favour of his son
@@retf8977 I think the British would have come up with any pretext to occupy Egypt after the construction of the Suez canal anyway even if there were no debts so it is not about Ismael Pasha.
@@sepep6288 it would've, but Ismail didn't even try to resist. He just caved in, and went all in with the debts, Which just made an easier job for Britain.
I find it interesting how the Confederate officer cites Cuba ('on the doorstep of the freest nation on Earth') as a place were slaves are treated with cruelty and brutality in comparison to the relative comfort of being a domestic slave in Egypt, but I wonder if he thought the treatment of slaves in the South before the Civil War was cruel? I wouldn't be surprised if Cuba and Brazil were worse places to be a slave than the United States, but this seems to me of him rationalizing or turning a blind eye to the cruelty practiced in his own country before the civil war, and by the side that he fought for.
He does compare the lot of Egyptian peasants as being much worse than American slaves ('who lived fine palaces and wore fine linen in comparison'), but is this hyperbole? Or he thought the condition of the peasants was this terrible? Or he thought that American slaves had it easy?
A very fascinating memoir.
Not all the Confederates liked slavery, and most didn't have slaves. The main thing that determined loyalty during the Civil War was which state you were in. If your state was in the north you were with the north. If it was in the south you were with the south.
@@ivorkovac303 yup, when your friends from school start getting killed you tend to fight those killing them. For the soldier it was about his buddies that were killed, for the politicians and elite class it was about maintaining control of their slaves and wealth.
Sounds kinda familiar, elites causing strife and war among the normal people to maintain their power and control over certain groups or things.
Probably was worse off and he probably didn't know much about the treatment. The slave owners in the south were a minority as most in the region either fought out of loyalty to their state or because they didn't really trust the idea of a more centralized USA.
Imagine a Mini Series about this guy journeys.....
It will be interesting but it would probably be canceled by our amazing cancel culture of high-minded young people!!
John Carter of Africa.
@@sleepingrabbit4011 Probably. By their rules you can only ever portray certain groups as villains.
@@sleepingrabbit4011 you mean the Crazy sjw leftists thats marxist facists
Alternative title: “Wild West Cowboy in Egypt ASMR”
these are very interesting topics that I did not know before, you've earned a subscriber
indeed it is
Americans bring their strange understanding of race with them around the world.
Wow long time no see
@Mialisus that sort of pawn shop stoicism sounds good online, but I know you've never had a manual labor job or have ever had your life been seriously put at risk like a soldier or fireman. Wtf are you talking about postmodernism for dude, clean your room and start talking to women irl lmao.
@@CivilWarWeekByWeek hello there.
@@grontelp77 well said. Pawn shop stoicism *chuckles*.
@@Imjustasimpleman5310 Howdy
Anybody else want a Confederate General to lead an Egyptian army into Ethiopia in Victoria 3?
Sure when Vicky 3 gets started on or announced
No, not really.
I mean technically you could theoretically get that in hoi4.
>set the US ai to weak and to go fascist
>set the canadian and/or mexican ai to go strong and fascist
> decolonised africa
>go democratic
> wait until fascist canada and mexico attack fascist USA aka the confederates
> declare war on Canada and mexico
>invite the US to create a faction with you
>let them capitulate
>host their government in exile
>wait
Bada bing bada boom you have a confederate general in the Egyptian army
Egypt get fuck by Ethiopia twice, even they hired American general.
@@hollowhoagie6441 man Egyptians were defeated in the most humiliating way possible . So after this war Egypt became weak and they became colonized .
I called it, I said the Egyptian campaign to Ethiopia.
@SLayer more like I am right
if only egypt succeed😔
@@Ra.Habib0 Why?
@@concept5631 then east africa and egypt wouldve been better
@@Ra.Habib0 How?
They were better treated? An estimated 20 million Black African slaves were taken during the Trans Sahara slave trade ( which still exists today ) I ask you, where are the descendants of these 20 million slaves?
Thank you
@@robertisham5279 The only slave's the Democratic Party cares about are the slave's they once owned but somehow managed to project their historical sins on the anti-slavery party.
Great video. When listening to this Confederate guy talk I couldn't help thinking of John Carter of Mars. This is probably how John Carter would talk if he went to Africa.
Love the narration. They have a wonderful voice
hey, do one one the confederate officer who ended up guarding the pope as a member of the Swiss guard
That sounds interesting.
Isnt he one of the guys that was involved with the Lincoln assassination so he was sent back to the states?
@@chris.3069 idk maybe? Who was he (his name)?
This sounds like one hell of a movie
That was actually an Irishmen who served in the Pontifical Swiss Guard as a Commander during Garibaldi's siege of Rome and he ended up becoming a Union officer later on and then died in the battle of Little Bighorn. His name was Myles Walter Keogh.
Can you do a video about the Prussian officer in the US army during the war of independence?
Didn't he work under Washington?
@@concept5631 i would think he did, but don't quote me on it
@@alexfrank1831 Could've sworn I learned about him in history class but I can't remember his name for the life of me.
General Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben. He developed the drill manual for the Continental Army based on his experience in the Prussian army.
Correction, he helped train the Continental Army, but he wrote the actual drill manual later for the U.S. Army after independence was won. Here's a link to the first official regulations: archive.org/details/2575061R.nlm.nih.gov
Interesting reading, especially if you've done any drill and have that frame of reference for comparison.
It's interesting how he refers to the egyptian laborer as the "brown and yellow man." Interesting color terminology before the racialization of East Asians that happened a mere few decades later.
Confederates in Egypt? Gives a whole new meaning to “old times there are not forgotten...”
Absolutely fascinating! I can't imagine what all this man saw and the journey he went on from the Old South to the depths of Africa and beyond, especially back then. Just incredible! Thanks so much for sharing this interesting story.
A lot of former Confederates left the burning ruins of the Confederacy and started new lives in other countries. The most famous was likely Judah P. Benjamin, one-time Confederate Secretary of War and Secretary of State and close confidant of Confederate President Jefferson Davis, who fled to Victorian England and bercame a prominent attorney in the country and wrote a classic legal treatise, entitled BENJAMIN ON SALES, which is STILL in print.
Many also went to Egypt because they needed to modernize their army and thus they hired mang out of work foreign officers
The other countries Confederate exiles went to, Brazil and Mexico, also had conflict, though I’m not sure how many were employed by the military
Experience, just like some ex marines work for some drug cartels.
It's worth keeping in mind that the beginning describes how rich people lived. Though Islam permits polygamy, a man probably wouldn't have a harem if he was poor. He'd be lucky to end up with one wife before dying young or middle aged.
I thought this was gonna be about Henry Hopkins Sibley, the Confederate commander who tried to invade Colorado and also joined the Egyptian army
*Finds new subscription worthy content*
"Another fine addition to my collection"
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Hearing that the confederates was in my country before.
I actually didn't hear that but now I'm amazed after I learnt this fact.
in short: I'm happy that my country was visited by everyone worldwide.
Excited to see part 2!!
Just a note: i dont mean to be harsh, but the dress of these ethiopians is quite innacurate; the architecture is better. Many would have either a) worn the traditional cotton _shamma_ (as was worn by Wolde Mikael Solomon) or a white "kilt" around the waist. They would have, indeed, been barefoot. Hairstyles might have been braided, put into "dreads" (not actual dreads, but large braids that resemble them), worn cropped, or potentially even worn in a small to massive 'fro. Emperor Yohannes (John in English) fashioned himself with cornrows, as did many women (afro puffs or, pulled back, were other choices for ladies). Women were seemingly topless at times, but frequently wore clothing to tidy themselves. Facial hair was common among men, as were turbans and ocassionally caps aswell. What was depicted here is more appropriate for Southern Africa, not for Sudan and Kenya adjacent Ethiopia. I'm a fan of the channel, so I must admit that I was quite dissapointed here. If you need reference images, feel free to reach out!
Thatching was oft "tidy" for lack of a better way to put it, thatch often was darker, and hut walls were often plastered over in mud.
To this day there are ppl who still live like that in Ethiopia
@@Yanzdorloph they lived farther south of the empire for one, and did not dress as depicted for two. I recommend you look up how rift valley people look. They dont wear what i assume are lion hairs on their legs like that, for starters. That image depicts southern africans, and i am pretty confident to say this this because im sure ive seen the image that Jazby traced to make this before.
The people he depicted in the end might’ve been the Kunamna and Nara tribes in modern day Eritrea.
Well I can see why you are getting views now Jabzy. Very interesting topics.
You are first gg
High quality video, Jabzy!
General Beauregard was also offered command of the Egyptian Army after the war. The British offered to make Lee a Duke for the same.
Reminds me of the Matthew Maconahey movie Sahara, where the confederate ironclad ship ended up in the titular desert.
This is amazing. It’s so cool to see such varying emigration/immigration in such a seemingly primitive time.
The prince at 9:00 with his 300 followers sounds like a Mount & Blade: Warband character
That opening song is in every Egypt doc I watch on UA-cam
the irony being its not egyptian but ok now it has become synonymous with egypt.
Good Job Jabzy youre videos are improving 😌😌😌😌
Johnny reb where you been?
Johnny reb: good question
His description of the fellahin is the polar opposite the French scholars in Napoleon's army gave the Egyptian fellahin saying they would not tolerate any cruelty by their Turkish governors who were few in number and would respond by immediate rioting . This is supported by the urabi revolt in response to English abuse in the 1900's. I'm guessing he witnessed a single incident where the aforementioned occurred and over generalized.
no, indeed the fellaheen would be tortured and forced to claim loyalty to their Turkish, Circassia and other foreign masters. yes, they sometimes they revolted, but under unified leadership like under Ahmed Urabi pasha, they tolerated the pasha's rule as the owner of Egypt and a Muslim, and the Turkish caliph as the caliph, but they couldn't tolerate complete foreigners colonizing their land and taking their recourses, like in the case of Britain and France.
@@retf8977 indeed your arse you can find what I say cited in View of Ancient and Modern Egypt
With an Outline of Its Natural History By Michael Russell · 1874. Off with you now.
@@ranro7371 why so angry? idc about what you cited, they did indeed revolt and i acknowledged that. but you have a shallow understanding of this topic that you can't comprehend the concept of different time periods, and i can't be racist to people who i belong to. i am Egyptian too, and the oppression of fellaheen was well documented and still lingers on in the consciousness of the Egyptian fellaheen.
@@retf8977 I'm not angry you're just pulling stuff out of your arse
@@ranro7371 yep, you are definitely angry. Get off the internet, sort your problems yourself, don't empty yourself on strangers on the internet.
General Pickett of the Confederate Army was the commanding officer of a Corps in the Egyptian Army his rank was Lieutenant General and his V Corps flew the Bonnie blue flag and the Confederate flag
This comment is 3 years old by general Pickett declined offers to go to Egypt and never was in the Egyptian army
You have some great content.
I am egyptian, and this is a strange story
I really like the narrator's voice, good choice.
Confederates also fled to Brazil...look it up.
And on other forces going to African countries to train and manage troops etc. In the late 1950s- 1960s . Several Norwegian Navy officers and civillian workers went to Ethiopia to train their navy in use of new equipment and since Norway was outside the English/ Italian US/ Warsaw Pact influence sphere it was considered a best of western options . And the crew had a great time there ,and interesting service record list writings.
They showed us how to make falafel... and we introduced them to cornpone sammiches.
Reminded me of a Clive Cussler concept
The thing is, black Africans that were slaves in North Africa were castrated, meat and veg in slave markets in Tripoli before being sold, with a percentage bleeding out before they could even reach the sale yard. It's why there is not a large black African population in North Africa today. So, it was a very horrifically brutal life of slavery in that reason, as it was in the South.
not true not all black African slaves were castrated only the ones who was sold to serve women and stay inside the house with women were castrated and in this time period this practice became very rare
"King John is a dilf"
Thanks, this is in Ethiopia.
Just imagine, he could travel with his guns with ease in those days.
Let's talk about how bad the sunburns would have been for those poor white southern men 😂
Not bad seeing as they were SOUTHERNERS lol.
Well they were southerners so working in the field was a usual occurrence to most of them, I mean only 6% of the white Southern population owned slaves as of 1860, so majority of these southern white men and women were used to working with the sun on their necks and whatever was left open vulnerable to a sunburn
Nice video :)!
Now this is content.
I've my Doritos and watching this.
Confederate soldier in Egypt? 🤣😂😭😂🤣
Do Ajuran Portugese wars next!
Thank you.
This is truly a fascinating tale.
I probably will stop watching this is a permanent switch of narrators.
Intro song: Desert Caravan by Aaron Kelly
Islamic slavery is very different than European and it's not the end of someone if he's taken into slavery you can rise over it just look at Janisary and Mamluks.
Yes, it's very different. One of those cultures perpetually wrestled with the moral evil vs the economic "necessity" of the slave trade, and the other doesn't see anything wrong with it to this day.
And Europeans freed their slaves too, so it isn't a distinction between the systems at all.
@@Longshanks1690 like the video says the slaves were not labors forced to mine/farm but instead the played the role of servant and soldiers the difference is in the west slaves are considered tool and a mean of production vs east were they are the lower cast .
@@Longshanks1690
Europeans banned slavery after the invention of machine, not for moral reasons..
Who see slavery normal today? Can i give you plenty of racist Americans today who provoke Black people and tell you all your people see slavery a good thing? Use intelligent arguments please
Also did you watch the video? Or you just jumped to the comments? The answer for your comment is in the video itself by the Confederate soldier.
@@Longshanks1690 "freed their slaves" then abused them and their descendants to this day. Where are the descendants of the slaves of egypt today? Do they suffer the same systemic opression that their western conterparts suffer from this day?
@@samdis1890 There are no descendants of slaves in Arab states since the Arabs castrated their slaves, idiot.
PLEASE use English subtitles, not english automated subtitles.
Do Mamluks of India (Delhi Sultanate)
The mughals just disappeared
Better yet, do Mamluks of Iraq. No one talks about them.
@@BanterRay wait? there were mamelukes of Iraq?! like actually mamelukes who started a kingdom in Iraq?
Thank you
Need a movie Bout this with ...
yes when losing one war wasnt enough, we imported southern confederate failure in egypt
William Loring was not in charge of the invasion in Ethiopia but rather the Egyptian Ratib Pasha. It was the second attempt at an invasion after a disastrous first one by a Danish commander. The Confederates had very little to do with planning the campaign, although all foreigners were blamed anyway by the Egyptians afterwards. So, seriously, you're just...whistling "Dixie." LOL
@@julianhermanubis6800 you didn’t get the joke but that’s okay.
@@mojo7618 That was a joke? Your sense of humor's drier than the Sahara.
@@julianhermanubis6800 Oh you havent been to the Sahara then, have you ?
@@mojo7618 It's a metaphor only and one that is common enough in English.
Brilliant video but you misspelled "Egyptian" in the title
Ha thanks - got it sorted.
Next Story:
Confederates Diaspora in Mexico and Brazil.
PLZ 🤩
@@ByzantineCapitalManagement Brazil 🇧🇷 still had slavery until 1888.
The ones in Mexico didn't stay there very long.
@@ByzantineCapitalManagement How is it ironic? Hispanics were treated better in the South than the North at the time, and many of them fought for the Confederacy during the civil war.
why did the confederate soldier join the egyptian army? to get to the other memphis
Would this not be the best setting for a movie?
🎶I wish i was in 🎵the land of cotton🎶old times there are not forgotten,look away, look away, 🎶look away ahm...?
@@thesssradio5008 ah, yes our 'dark' history.
@@thesssradio5008 Most southerners didnt care for nor fight for slavery. The north had taxed them to poverty and that led to alot of resentment. Along side suspending habious corpus, this all culmimated to most southerners viewing Lincoln as a tyrant, and constitionally he was. Look into Shelby Footes works on the civil war he paints it in the shades of grey it really was. Not black ans white
I watched both parts. Quite interesting, However, Mr. Lauren did not tell us the true motives for an American confederate to join the Egyptian Army in his campaign in the south. Nor he told us about his role and military expertise during that war. I fond this intriguing yet ORIENTALISTIC to the core!
Are you sure he wasn’t lost in the Metropoltin Muesum lol
rich bae doesnt mean bae, it means bay, as in commander, or manager
The last samurai??
OK!... 637 ~ The last Remnants of the Confederacy in South America? (Confederados of Brazil) - UA-cam
General Sherman went to Egypt? I've never heard that before. I learned a lot about him because I live in his hometown of Lancaster Ohio. But that's definitely a new one.
Ironies everywhere.
It's easy to forget how much of a foreign country the past is, doubly in a foreign country!
Anyone else think loring sounds like the sniper from sniper elite
William Wing Loring
top 10 anime crossovers
Names are regularly translated into English. Everyone should call him King John when speaking English. The other name you didn't translate is Theodore.
2:13 Aaand how are you not canceled? Because you said brown people do slavery better?
UA-cam sucks.
Those were the retarded words of confederate dude, narrated from by a voice actor, presumably from dude's journal. Chill bro and stop calling for cancellation of things that hurt ur feelings.
Thats intesting story by the way
Don't forget that more native Americans fought for the south then the north as well.
And our last brave General to surrender was Stand Waite, a Native American. 😁
@@Elksman thats is 100% true. Funny how people don't know history.
@@ynotdrewans4957 I wish the government hadn't hijacked the school system and brainwashed generations of children into thinking everything they say is correct and that anything they deem bad, is bad. Sic Semper Tyrannis, Voce Populi. Down with the federal tyrants!
Let's get clear on this: Is it an actual historical account or fiction?
Egypt is BASED?!?!!
No they are not . They were defeated .
They got destroyed by ethiopia 🤣🤣🤣
@@zola1632 Ethiopia still slaves egypt great than your country and can defeat Ethiopia now
It would have been intrigued more people if you named this video "the Confederate who joined the army of an african country."
No clickbait.
Why do you think god of Egypt were punished ?
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