Professor Bart Kay Debunks Vegan Plant Chompers: Or did he?
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- Professor Bart Kay is known for challenging vegan claims. Does his stance align with scientific consensus?
Original video from @PlantChompers. Bart Kay commentary video: • Plant Chompers - Munched
0:00 Dr. Lisa Mosconi and Brain Food
0:41 I am a charlatan
2:10 In it for the money?
4:58 Bart's side hustle selling vegan supplements
5:29 Where is professor Kay a professor?
7:36 Chris has no nutrition expertise?
10:31 Did Chris lie?
11:13 Disclosing conflicts of interest
13:39 Ancel Keys and the Seven Countries Study
18:28 Conspiracy theories
20:25 Debating Bart Kay
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Wow it's pretty clear these industry propagandists are just flailing now. They literally can't comprehend how someone like Chris would do this...simply because it's interesting and the right thing to do.
Don't come to chomp plant chomper without facts or you'll get chomped. "Prof." Bart knows about as much about nutrition as Bart Simpson.
Comment of the day Sir.
Professor Bart Simpson should be his nickname 😅
Why quote "prof"? Are his credentials not legitimate? I don't know much about him to be honest.
@@magetaaaaaa 5:32
@@baguspribadi5977 Not sure how I missed that on the first watch through thanks.
He’s seriously in need of cleansing. I suggest fruits and veggies. No beans right now, he’s already full of it.
An exorcist would probably be helpful also.
The absolute irony of Bart calling Chris a clown! 😂
Oh no, a professor debunks the vegan diet.... This is bad for veganism. Let's see, the name of the professor is: Bart Kay. Oh, LOL, we will be just fine :D
💀💀
Let’s look at how healthy vegan doctors are. Hmm. I think that’s reason enough to keep on eating meat.
Great rebuttal Chris. Thank you for fighting the good fight!
Bart Kay is an embarrassment. Truly cringeworthy.
I love Chris and his wife.
The only Bart I trust would be Bart Simpson 🤣
Your wife is so cute by the way.
I would happily sit through ads to support your hard work, Chris!
you sir are something Bart will never be - a genuinely humble and gentle man
That is so true ❤
I didn't even listen to the video yet but I know of whom you speak. You nailed it.
ua-cam.com/video/JNk9vFVtYPs/v-deo.html
The man is a clown. Trying to argue that mechanisms are more important than outcome data by yelling "respect your seniors" is really telling.
I'm not vegetarian but have wondered why there haven't been more takedowns of Bart. He deserves every one that he gets.
Bart is not exactly a, "snappy dresser," but that could always be remedied.
Just watched plant chompers with Simon Hill. What an interview! I admire scientists, but what a story (and more science to be had/more story to be lived/shared)!! Thanks for creating high quality content!
Love you and your wife, and your work. Just wonderful all around.
"Berries for dairies" is amazing!! The idea that the Finnish government were able to target a threat like that. In my country, the government is more like an organ of the corporations and producers, and would never work against the interests of the domestic dairy industry. Never!
The Canadian government recently redid their Food Pyramid which is what care homes and schools use to plan their dietary offerings, and they moved meat down the list and included lentils and legumes as protein sources and I think they also removed dairy as a 'must have'.
It's always awesome seeing this level of transparency by a UA-cam channel / content creator.
We just love you Plant Chompers... You are the best... A cut above.... Waaaaaayyyyy too classy to need to debate this rude, sloppy and deceitful actually, person.... Out of his league.... ❤
I know it 100% pure BS if its Bart Kay or Joe Rogen
Another great episode! Thanks Chris!!
So well done Chris.
The pair of you is just an absolute charm. You 2 are adorable!( i mean your wife -not that other guy lol)
👍 Whole food plant based for the environment and health; vegan for the victims!
bart has been running this charade for years.. he never learns.
Bart who? Never heard of him before this, I think. If I did, he certainly wasn’t that memorable. Love your work, love the commitment to improving health and knowledge. Listened to your interview with Simon. Given your beginnings, you have lived and made a remarkable life. Great story about how you met and secured the love of your life. I’m a big fan of yours and I am not typically a fan of anybody.
Bart thinks it's his job to go around and humble others.
he's playing an exaggerated character because it gets attention
(look, people who don't like him are talking about him)
bad press is still press
Chris is the best; he will outlive the rest.
Way to go! I love your method of standing up for yourself!
Bart is a youtube bully, and you shone the light on him with his foot in his mouth... maybe he thought it was one of his carnivore meals?
You'd think a grifter would know better than to mess with a retiree with time on their hands.
Actually I was not familiar with this Bart person because, well, why would I? This just confirms my view that some channels are just not worth watching or even worth checking out to see if they might be interesting ;)
It is my experience that the internet "experts" espousing carnivore and other meat-eating diets tend to resort to name-calling and nasty verbiage to make their points... as do their followers. If you have to do that, you've just lost a ton of credibility. No expert who knows his/her stuff would stoop to that level of garbage. And why in the world would you want to waste any time debating any of these people?
"resort to name-calling and nasty verbiage to make their points"
Yes. I've covered this; pointing out that every carni YTr had major personality issues. I did a debate with Bart, and brought this up. I spontaneously said "They're all weirdo's" (a line people got a kick out of and I still have fun with today). Bart's reply was "That's out of my spere of control". (He didn't deny it)
so do vegans.
both try to make their point through education
Thankyou for your informative and open minded candour also your Wife's humour! And all the research you put into this!!!
Bart Kay is a living example of the Dunning Kruger effect.
Keep up the good work Chris.
lol he blown the lid on the vegan nonsense out there
and you vegans have been fed lies
@@opticalman6417 who? Bart 😂😂?
'Professor' 🤣
You’re an outstanding contributor to our need for understanding the science and ethics of nutrition.
I really appreciate evidence based science. I appreciate it being explained so well. After gaining a great deal of weight when I quit the cigarettes, I read almost every nutrition book in my local library. Where the evidence led me and what has helped me lose more than 35 pounds and keep it off is a whole food, plant based diet. Thank you Chris, Toni, and staff! 🕊️💕🌱
"The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample size, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with and obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness." Dr. Richard Horton, Editor-in-chief, The LANCET
Occam's Razor: the simplest answer is likely to be the correct answer.
Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
Wortman's Razor: never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by corruption
For the full presentation, look for Dr Jay Wortman on Low Carb Down Under
You gotta wonder why Bart would pick a fight with a legit Channel? The only real outcome is that it will increase Plant Chombers subscribers and show Bart for who he really is.
Despite not making the standard request, you've gained at least 1 new subscriber from this video. 🤝 Keep up the great work. Your diligence is appreciated. 😊
You are my hero!
You seem to have discovered the Jordan Peterson of Nutrition. Social media is full to bursting with arrogant angries suffering from severe cases of Dunning-Kruger Effect. Having said that, I love finding more humble folks who are using the medium to actually do some good in the world. Thank-you.
Leftist tho .
Bill Gates tho .
Bugs tho .
Clean your room tho .
Meat yummy tho .🥩
@@julienfroidevaux1143 Well, if he's like Jordan Peterson he's right. Are you saying he's right? Because Jordan Peterson is right on most topics.
@@scottcampbell7944 Yes eating only a steak diet insures the best health, environmental and animal welfare outcomes . ( his claims )
Says he doesn't support nor promote a steak only diet , goes on to promote a steak only diet .
Blames all the ills on the " Food pyramid " when only a tiny % in America follow the guidelines of said pyramid .
Justin Trudeau tho . 🥩
@@scottcampbell7944 Many children don't like vegetables , then many of them grow up .
Having a messy room is not a sign of childishness , not eating your vegetables is .
@@scottcampbell7944"Jordan Peterson is right on most topics."
Yes, but not with diet. But Jordan is always going into areas he's not educated in and wrong about. And Bart does the same thing.
And I don't think it's coincidence they are both right-wingers.
The “professor” was certainly put in his place. Well done.
9:33 it's a bit out of date now but the World Bank estimated that deforestation of the Amazon in the 25 years up to 1998 was 91% for grazing cattle. I have the reference somewhere!!
Grazing or feeding?
@@silence1869 grazing specifically in that study
nothing worse for a charlatan like Kay than retired seniors with class, expertise, education, patience, and time
Bart is a real troll. Chris, you are full of integrity and good science. I enjoy all your videos. Keep them coming.
You are the definition of a reliable source.
Thanks for all of your hard work Chris, I for one, really appreciate it. ✌️❤️🌱
Bart Simpson is way smarter than this Bart guy.
It is astonishing how there are people who fall for his lies
You mean a guy that comes out in a yellow jacket in front of a background like The Matrix talking about conspiracies is full of s**t? I’m shocked I say, truly shocked. I’ll take the blue pill thanks.
Mr Kay is a conman selling a belief system (no evidence). Well done. Keep up the science.
Dr. Kay. Whether you like him or not, he does hold a PhD and is entitled to the correct title.
@@TruFlyFox I've looked around the Internet for his CV and the only mention of a title associated with him is that he is a physiologist and a lecturer. Please post a link to his education credentials.
Bart has been known for years to have been trolling vegans, getting their videos taken down through spurious complaints that always get proven wrong.
He even threatens legal action to anyone even just critiquing him.
UA-camr Vegan Gaze in the UK can tell you a lot more about him, though you have covered him very well here.
These carnivores discredit themselves when they focus on attacking vegan diets, instead of focusing on what most people eat (the sad diet). Some carni's even slip and acknoledge most of their viewers just watch for the anti-vegan action.
That's why it seems so dangerous to even respond at all... Never know if you'll be lured into a lawsuit! Slippin Jimmy!
There was a youtuber(also a college psychology professor). She was threatened by Bart numerous times. Michelle Lowe unfortunately deleted a lot of her previous video archive when she renewed her channel into different content.
@@magetaaaaaa except Bart has never done so, only threatens and gets content suspended which always has been allowed back because nothing he threatens of anyone can be substantiated.
Your response to industry funded studies is my response to Bart Kay: Uh Oh.
Uh, OK...the editor of the Lancet would disagree and went on to admit you cannot trust what they publish. "The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample size, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with and obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness." Dr. Richard Horton, Editor-in-chief, The LANCET
Occam's Razor: the simplest answer is likely to be the correct answer.
Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
Wortman's Razor: never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by corruption
For the full presentation, look for Dr Jay Wortman on Low Carb Down Under
Bart needs a good cry. His inner anger fuels him to make these confrontational videos. May he find peace some day.
I get serial killer vibes from this dude .
I'm convinced carnivore is a weir cult at this point. And Bart seems like a troll. Someone not worth debating because he will do nothing but yell, strawman, gish gallop, and not let you make one point. The online debate bros are toxic.
It definitely is.
he is a troll. he's using drama to get attention and teach people who care to listen
I generally an not a fan of this reactionary content and this one is particularly bad and empty of content
I've gotten to know Bart well over 4 years and having a 3 hr talk with him. He has many mental/emotional disorders, and he twists the science to fit his dogma.
For 4+ years, Bart has been trying to make a business out of his channel. And he gets his viewers to go around promoting him and trying to hook bigger youtubers into debating him, which would make him more popular. BTW, he calls those viewers "Bart's Army" & the "Meat Militia". He got those terms from me. I made it up to reflect the nature of his movements. And he was loony enough to use it.
@@GaryHighFruit thanks. In your perspective, did Chris chomped his bait by making this video? I didn't even know about him, but from what you are saying, does this strategy work in getting him more views?
@@andanssas He may have taken the bait; or doesn't mind. But... you bring up a good question. Bart hasn't grown much in the 4 years. So it doesn't work for him, probably because he's so crazy, that people don't take him seriously. Plus, he's hard to watch.
I even made a video called "Why is Professor Bart Kay's channel Failing?"
(if anyone wants to see it, start half way thru)
Do you have some examples where he "twists the science to fit this dogma"?
Ahhh this was a replay by Plant Based News…I was like a) why does this episode feel so familiar, I know I’ve already seen this!” And b) there were adds right after Chris said he doesn’t run adds in the middle.
I’m sure permission was granted to help spread the news but I think maybe you should also consider unchecking adds that interrupt when replaying his videos as some people might not realize it’s being replayed on a different channel.
I haven't even watched the video yet but I know Bart is going to annoy the living hell out of me XD
What is wrong with people? He makes false claims with no evidence. I think he's from New Zealand - someone named Susan Birch says he was a lecturer in Physiology at Montford University, Leicester, UK and he consulted about New Zealand's Rugby team. It says he is a "meatritionist" and that makes sense. His videos are all Anti-vegan and he calls Veganism propaganda.
Bart asking you to debate, is like a a drunken biker in a gang who wants to fight anybody who looks at them wrong. Debates don't settle anything. It just about who can think on their feet the fastest. It has nothing to do with plodding over a moutain of evidence and reaching a conclusion, based on the data. Once again, Bart showes himself to be a bully.
Thanks for calling him out.
Your wife and Anne Esselstyn together would be so much fun.
Plant Chompers is the BEST!!!!
Anytime I have seen Bart Kay in a debate, he always gets all pissy, resorts to ad hom attacks and threatens to leave the debate, all while appealing to his authority as an experienced individual of why he is right.
Did you all just repost one of Chris's episodes, without adding anything?
Who would turn down such a gracious and classy invitation to debate?🤔
Is this a reupload? Or is it that you originally put it out on Plant Based News?
hey I find your podcast instructive. wise and fun! with all the health issues I have plant chomping is my route to health. Thanks for everything. Keep doing what you are doing...
You are a class act, Chris! I would have thrown that bombastic fraud to the curb.
Thanks!
Bart Kay is out standing in his field and leaves huge verbal cow pats everywhere.
I was taught.....always look for a small mountain of independently funded and peer reviewed research when making any decision on any subject. Chris appears to be providing that. I'll keeping watching and listening.
Mr. Phillips
Canada
Retired
Was this posteded originally a month or so ago? I thought I saw it before. Key's attacks on evidence while his excuses of the fact that he has no evidence for his position is less than credible...Following what is thankfully a brief hospitalization for a minr stroke and crazy high BP, I have adopted a mostly WFPB diet and seen wonderful imprvements in my health... that is al the evidence I need.
OMG the beard is amazing! The dedication is next level :)
Oh, my gosh, Plant Chompers, YOU are my hero! Please stay true to your values and continue to educate and promote (your wife is right!) your channel.
Thanks for your hard work to help us get to the facts! You are appreciated!
As a Kiwi, I'm sorry for inflicting Bart Kay upon the world.
Wow. Clearer than clear. I knew that you weren’t getting any money from your channel. It’s ridiculous that he didn’t. And yes, it’s it’s very clever to point out that he’s using your material to make money on his channel in a sort of shady and underhanded way.
Hello Chris,
Welcome to another great day on this Amazing Planet we are so lucky to call Home 😊,
There is,of course,this point: "The only way we can consume animal products with peace in our hearts is if we are able to master a few traits,three that spring to mind are:
Selective compassion.
An ability to disconnect from reality.
An unwillingness to confront inconvenient truths.
WOW! Pretty undesirable traits to have in about 95% of a society 😢.
Davo from sunny Australia.
OMG! I ❤ your Wife! Absolutely adorable! Keep up this important work! Thank you!
It's great how you pointed out the hypocrisy at 2:10. The very first thing Bart Kay does is project. Literally talking about himself while pretending it is about you.
Well that won @PlantChompers another subscriber.
The irony - an ad popped up at 4:44 when talking about ads lol
I love your videos. Entertaining and educational. Thanks for being one of the good guys!
Dairy is New Zealand’s biggest polluter. Bart is a creepy guy. & you’re FANtastic!
It is hard to believe that people like this bloke can sit on their virtual throne and speak such rot.
Great response Chris and thank you.
Awesome work! This is the kind of channels everyone should follow, science based, well researched, facts and proven.
thanks for your great work, your work is truly needed to fight the carnivore misinformation
Did anybody else have an actual ad pop up during the segment with all the ads popping up?
Debunk that, sweetheart 💕
I just stumbled across your channel because I am trying to decide on whether to go WFPB and this was the video I watched. I also went and watched 3 episodes of the other guy at random. The biggest thing that jumped out to me is the difference in approach to this subject. He comes of as a know it all who has all the answers. You approach things with a genuine curiosity to learn and look at research. For a scientist to feel like he already has all the answers is an oxymoron. Scientist are scientists because they know that we find out new things everyday and our knowledge increases as our technology evolves to show us more. It is guys like Bart that tried to force Galileo to admit he was wrong. I will continue to watch your channel. His? No.
Please don't, humans genuinely need nutrients only found in animals and doing plant basedwill slowly but surely cause health decline and limit your ability too heal
Go ask the carnivore community and they'll tell you exactly what supplement's you "would" need on a vegan diet
Thank you Toni! 💚
Yikes, I was listening to your video while making myself some particularly deadly burritos loaded with black beans, arsenic laden brown rice, homegrown tomatoes and avocado. Then your video ended while I was cooking my tortillas, and I was unable to get to the computer quick enough! I was forced to listen to two commercials of total psychos spouting conspiracy theories related to Nancy Pelosi and other crazy stuff. Great video by the way.
I’ve already worked out who to listen to. Thank you…
Professor Bart Kay? No way! Chris…you just made my day! 🥦🍓🫐
Hello! This talk was amazing. Can you please share with me where you collected the data for your land use table?
If he did, he'd have to kill you...top secret stuff (made up by corrupt scientists). If you're interested in reliable data try looking for Dr Jay Wortman before my suggestion gets removed from the comment section. If they weren't afraid of what I suggest, they wouldn't keep deleting my comments.
I really like your voice.
Watched one of his videos once. Once was too much.
The work you do is important
Bart Kay only shares one initial with Dunning Kruger but all of the profile.
Bart claims he has won every debate. But if you challenge him in the comments he'll inform you that your opinion doesn't matter because he's the highly accomplished professor. Then he'll threaten to ban you. It is funny that he will accuse others of doing what they do for the money. But when others point out his MLM recruiting and selling business with a supplement company he said he's different. Despite he has admitted that is a source of a majority of his income and he uses his social media to do it. Right Bart?
Hi PBN thank you for giving Plant Chompers an expanded exposure 🥦❤
Thank you for what you do, I look forward to all your eoisodes!
Thanks Chris
I’ve been doing the carnivore diet for a few months coz I believed what all the influencers were saying (plus it gave me the excuse to be eating these forbidden foods in great quantity), but now I wanna go plant based because I’m starting to see that it was all a bunch of BS. But now I don’t know what to do because I’m worried my microbiome won’t handle it? Plus how will my body handle going from 200g protein back down to 60-90g? (Plus I also don’t know what ‘faction’ of plant based I should go, for example Dr Mcdougall says to only eat whole grains or potatoes with some vegetables and no fat low protein, but others say you should be eating a lot of nuts, avocado, olive oil fats, tonnes of vegetables, with lesser amounts of starches and eating more protein in form of tempeh ect. Some say fermented stuff good, others say fermented stuff make candida.). Right now I’ve added 10-14oz of daily non starchy vegetables, but that’s only on top of my already 3lbs of meat a day, I dunno how I’m supposed to actually replace it.
I would imagine your bathroom habits will, eeventually, become regular with fiber and other nutrients. Animal protein is like eating cement for your colon.
As far as I know, that much protein is extremely acidifying and hard on your prostate.
Get a blood test to see where you are. good luck.
Why go to such extremes? Just eat a steak with a salad..
I certainly wouldn't go cold turkey. You have room to decrease the meat significantly though. The last thing you need to worry about getting enough of is protein, it's in everything. So you can cut your meat consumption in half or more the first week or two then after that replace a half more with beans mixed in with the meat. Don't hit it too hard with the beans to start with but try to gradually increase them (maybe in weekly increments) until the meat is totally replaced.
The beans will help your microbiome improve as well as other fiber.
Don't eat junk.
That's a disgusting amount of meat even for a typical diet.
Good luck and by your intelligent questions I'm sure you'll figure it out.
dude. stop letting people dictate your life.
just ask yourself if felt good on carnivore, and if you did stick with it
it's safer than just blindly going vegan and missing key nutrients you've never heard of. it could take over5 years before you start noticing health problems on vegan especially after eating so much fat and meat and you'll never attribute it to your diet
@@Mallchad I think your right. Since making that post 4 weeks ago, I have gone from eating 3lbs of meat a day, to now eating 4oz of whole grain for breakfast, 10oz of lean diced beef and 7oz veg for lunch, and 4oz of whole grains and 6-7oz veg for dinner. The only meal I feel good after is lunch, both the other meals I get weak, shakes, light headed, and even sweaty about 2.5 hours afterwards. So it seems the less meat and more plants I eat the worse I feel.