'Lucy Letby Most Prolific Child Killer In UK' - Says Home Affairs Expert Danny Shaw
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- Опубліковано 17 сер 2023
- Lucy Letby, a nurse, has been convicted of seven counts of murder and six counts of attempted murder of babies in a neonatal unit. She has become one of the most prolific child killers and serial killers in British history.
Letby is likely to receive a whole life tariff and there may be further investigations into other suspicious deaths and births under her care.
The motives behind her actions remain unclear, with speculation ranging from a desire for attention to potential undiagnosed mental illness.
Questions are also being raised about the procedures in the neonatal unit and whether earlier alarm should have been raised.
The case highlights the fascination with serial killers and the difficulty in understanding their motivations.
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My sister was diagnosed as a sociopath when I was young. Mum said that the doctor said that I mustn't play with her alone.
When she left school mum got her into nursing hoping it might kick off empathy. She didn't last long thank goodness. I saw her a few years ago and she was answering 999 calls.
I think that if you are known to be dangerous you should be on a list and kept away from certain jobs.
My sister had 3 kids and she fed my niece so much that she broke an ankle coming down the stairs. She was livid with the doctor when she came home because he hinted that her daughter was morbidly obese and of course my sister is perfect and doesn't take any criticism.
I stopped seeing her as she drove my wife to tears after a short time of visiting.
Sounds like she needs help
That's scary, just think how many other mothers may have got their children into nursing to try to 'kick off empathy'...holy smokes. 😮
@@XORTIONShe is in her early 70s and has diabetes so I think she is past help.
Thank you for sharing
@@plbeckmanlike its AA or something Jesus
Mental illness or not, ANYONE who commits such a heinous crime against children should get the death penalty!
Mental illness is NOT an excuse for her as she was SNEAKING when she killed these precious babies!!
If someone SNEAKS & tries to HIDE things then that proves they KNOW what they were doing is wrong! 😡 😤
This evil woman knows right from wrong as do 99.9% of all people who abuse or kill children!
It’s not mental illness. If they’re actively covering their tracks then they are aware of how wrong it is. I’m guessing she’s a sociopath. Completely uncaring but sane.
@@TheAArmstrong 💯
@@TheAArmstrong Spot on!!! 👏 👏 👏 👏
@@TheAArmstrongProbably a psychopath.
Let us hope she will ever be released from prison. A huge monster she must be kept inside does not matter where.
Absolutely boiling with anger 😢why did it go on so long ? Why wasn’t she suspended immediately after so many deaths on her shifts ?
It seems the managers were mre afraid of scandals and police involvement than they were of protecting the babies. And of being sued by taking her off the ward pending investigation.
By ignoring her , their mistakes and poor management would be ignored too.
Because the same annoying selfish discusting reasons of these chief execs. By pass senior managment and go to the police thats what I will do if I ever see something like this.
imagine what the jurors had to go through 10 months in a court room..couldnt speak to their partner about the case ...had to basically give up work ...then at the end of it all they have to go away and make a decision
Rest in peace beautiful babies 🙏. I do hope someone in prison will be as disgusted with this crime as we are and give out a bit of physical justice . My deepest sympathies goes to the poor parents ❤
I very much doubt if she will be sent to a normal women's prison such as Holloway. She would be too much trouble for the guards. Broadmoor will be more suitable where the criminally insane are sent. We shall see.
Apparently, the main occupation for women killers is, nurse.
I was a nurse for 25 years, I've come across some real stinkers in my time, nurses, drs and paramedics. They are attracted to the professions because they want the power and praise from other people
It seems the managers were mre afraid of scandals and police involvement than they were of protecting the babies. And of being sued by taking her off the ward pending investigation.
@@CW1971
I had one refuse to interact with me because of my tattoos.
She found me “creepy” because of my tattoos apparently 😂🤦🏻🤡🌎
@@Acheron666 what?? That's crazy! 🤣
But it just reminded me of a strange story, I was newly qualified and doing some agency work in different nursing homes, one place I went to there was this little bed bound frail elderly lady, and she was covered in tattoos. Not professional ones, they'd been done by hand with Indian ink. I mean they were everywhere, on her face, arms, legs, body, even round her privates, all-sorts of shapes, dots, stick figures etc
I asked one of the care assistants about them and she said her son comes in and does them on her. The staff had tried to stop him involving police and social workers and apparently they couldn't stop him as his mum was giving him permission to it.
It was so weird
@@CW1971 I am sure you are a great nurse! My sister is a nurse. But, I was injured (purposely) by a nurse in the hospital a few years ago. Had surgery, Dr. left orders that no one was to touch my dressings until he came back the next day. Night shift nurse came in took dressings off and was probing the wound. I objected, she was putting her fingers in my wound. I yelled. Then she decided to change my IV. I said the day nurse and I agreed she would change it in the morning. She changed it any way, my arm blew up...I started yelling again. It was scary. Next morning, I saw her crying and being escorted down the hallway. I didn't report her...someone beat me to it. I believe they try to hide some of the stinkers on the night shift....
She had a huge crush on one of the young doctors whom she wanted to impress with her "life-saving" skills.
She is a monster.
Don't see how that can be a factor in her case as she didn't do anything to try to save them once she harmed them. Just stood around faffing about the parents said
which one was it.....think it wasnt a young doctor....he was a doctor with grown-up kids who had been married for 25 years.....and it was more than a crush
@@Caz_2087 Wow - did not know that. I thought she was pretending to "save" them.
Well, I can't stand listening to something in detail that has to do with cruelties in regard to little kids.
That's why I probably missed this part.
@@paulrichards6894 Oh, the doctor was not even a young, eligible bachelor, but a married man with kids?!
The story of this evil person is getting ever more twisted!
@@Caz_2087 I just read that she harmed the kids whenever the doctor, Dr. A., was on shift.
Dr. A. then had to rush in to revive the kids, thus she had some "quality" time with him, watching him, trying to
save the children.
She was/is a sick, desperate monstrous being.
When LL WAS suspended from her job the death rate in that Neo-Natal ward went back to normal levels.
There is no such thing as 'normal levels of infant deaths' Impossible to predict who will die and how many.
And that’s evidence beyond reasonable doubt?
@@krob2327 How and who determines 'reasonable doubt'?
@@myrants5836I don't think that's true. You can see trends and prior year comparisons are valid. If there's a spike with unknown reasons, that's cause to investigate further.
Healthy babies were dying you @@myrants5836
Genuinely sick in the head. I find it weird why so many people have such a fascination with killers/serial killers, I just don't understand why people get so obsessed with watching upsettingly horrific things like that? I find that frightening behaviour.
It’s because the behaviour is frightening. That’s why it’s fascinating.
The human condition goes very deep in both good and evil. Extreme cases like this force people to look with fascination/dread/curiosity to understand what makes people tic.
IMO it’s not weird to watch a documentary on the topic. I’m a Psychology student and I find the human mind generally interesting to learn about. It’s gets weird though if the person likes excessively graphic videos, and or resonates with the criminal.
I find it disturbing so i like to try to understand WHY people commit such evil acts and 9 times out of 10 they seem to all have had abusive childhoods yet in this case this isn’t the case 😢
Rubber-necking
Managers allowed this even after they were warned by medics.....get to the bottom of this.
Nhs has lost all trust from the public recent years and this is just the final nail in its coffin .
No this is the work of a sick woman not the work of the NHS.
Nope. Theres more good personnel in the NHS than these POS
The Death Penalty needs reinstating in The UK for 100% proven murders. If she receives a 30+ to whole life sentence , this is yet another cost to The UK Tax Payer.
I want the death penalty too, but not for those convicted on circumstantial evidence rather than direct. They tend to be innocent after 15-20 years.
Ok so what do you suggest happens for the miscarriages of justice . We kill innocent people? That why we don’t have the death sentence dummy.
Also an enquiry into why beaurocrats were allowed to stop paediatricians going to the police.
Plenty of psychos still working in the NHS....
Fraudsters and con artists hiding in there aswell.
Wish we had court tv like the Americans. They are so lucky because people are able to look up anyone's criminal records. They get the bodycam footage from the scene, it gets released along with interrogation footage and the whole trial is available to watch. We get sketches and news reports and that is it.
@@thomasgray5406agree, we are just the public.. not our business really
This isn't a soap opera to be watched for enjoyment these are people's lives. When did people get so mawkish.
Yeah I don't think it's the case when it comes to children. It makes reality look like reality TV. Although I do believe nurses and also teachers should have body cams
There is bodycam footage of her arrest.
When these Evil 😈 woman are in court ofcourse they start to cry what Crocodile Tears!!!
So evil
LUCYFER! 👿
Shes punishing people in hell?
to be more accurate, the fact that she was sneaking and hiding and was aware of her choices doesn't automatically imply no mental illness, it implies she is a psychopath and is aware that her actions and choices must not be known by the rest and that she must be calculated and careful, therefore it implies legal sanity. drug and gambling addiction, among others, or simply certain depressive or even harmful, dangeours behaviours may also involve hiding and sneaking to settle overwhelming urges or accomplish goals, yet most also involve being aware of doing wrong but being apparently helpless in the face of the inevitable. many serial murderers are also criminally insane and use manipulation, subterfuge, hiding and calculated planning to achieve their deadly aims. clinically speaking, most likely, she is criminally insane. that being said, she shouldn't see daylight again and by the way, the fish goes rotten from the head down.
Could there be certain personality tests to get a job as a nurse or a doctor? I also believe there should be multiple cc camera for vulnerable persons or babies in care - this was so doable!.
Because she's a woman. in Britain , there is a stereotype among the masses of the people that a woman is always a victim .The fact that a woman can cause suffering to other weak people herself - there is no thought about this at all
It's called Selection for Societal sanity.
Fat chance she'll ever be seen as a victim especially in this case, no conceptual way she even could, it's just her
She thought she could just leave the NHS and walk away...WITCH
Most prolific because nobody stopped her earlier in order to protect their jobs and reputation
Yes they are equaly responsible.
The most prolific child killer in the UK was Amelia Dyer (hanged 1896). She too was a hospital trained Nurse who later took up the practise known as 'baby farming'. During the course of her career she murdered several hundred babies.
Lucy Letby murdered 7.
And what about the Govenors of the Hospital who were so reluctant to call in the police . So they must be investigated. There are people, and a number of well knon people who believe in Eugenics
The "prison napalm" will be on the stove as we speak! Couldn't happen to a nicer girl!
Usually, serial killers do very well in jail.
For anybody thinking of posting crap like "sending prayers," don't bother. I'm here to inform you that they are useless and serve no purpose in the real world
Thinking of the families of the babies 💙🙏💙
This is such a disturbing story!
Like vultures to carrion, the tabloids swoop down to eat their fill.
@@Valhalla-vk7hf There is a difference between reporting on a story and pandering sensationalism. TalkTV has spewed 16 Lucy Letby "reports" today alone. You watch too much tabloid video to notice.
I don’t think so…. Beverly allet was worse
Rose west as well
Everything about the case against Lucy Letby has been reverse-engineered - with industrial levels of artifice and disingenuousness - from the apparently proveable ‘fact’ that she can be shown to have been present at each event. Falling back on the oldest (and occasionally only) ‘play’ in the world-wide policing play-book, Cheshire Police - having been given a suspect - did everything to make the available facts fit and - where those ‘facts’ were wanting or laughably, on life-support - resorted to disinformation, character-smears and innuendo to give body to their narrative of guilt. It is a classic case of trying to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.
11 days ago, I - along with what seems like 99.9% of the population - accepted Lucy Letby’s guilt without a moment’s hesitation. I am convinced a key element to that unquestioning acceptance of the finding of the trial was a degree of stupefaction brought about by the concussive impact on my reason of the mind-blasting idea that any adult was capable of systematically targeting the newborn. In that state of mind, I reverted to the blind faith in institutions which was inculcated in me growing up. If I had put the news in context of the recently reveal horrors of the Andrew Malkinson case and the madness of the government taking the lead in sleep-walking European NATO towards a very one-sided nuclear showdown with Russia, I am likely to have been a bit more sceptical.
When I first heard that there were people seriously considering fundraising for an appeal my first thought was that old saying: ‘No one ever went broke through under-estimating people’s capacity for bad taste’. My next was that while the fact of her conviction being wholly based on circumstantial evidence was far from ideal, for me, the most damning evidence against her was that at any point since arrest did she appear to have had an emotional meltdown or otherwise reacted as any normal person could be expected to upon being thus accused of heinous offences of which they were innocent. Especially given that the case is national news. I now know this to be far from the case and that her reaction HAS in fact been consistent with that of any normal person in such a nightmare and, more importantly, wholly consistent with the ‘beige’ life and associated inoffensive persona. My primary evidence in support of this is the so-called confessional post-it note which - in its circumstances, chaotic structure, and equally chaotic content lays bare an ordinary soul in the grip of incomprehension and torment at unfolded and unfolding events - and her perfectly reasonable explanations in court of the contradictory attitudes adopted in those contents. Before getting onto my main evidence to support that, a couple of points: (1) Lucy Letby is educated but - as evidenced by her use of language and the pathos of her fairly juvenile efforts to make sense of her life falling apart - is no more than at the upper end of ordinary intelligence. To reach consultant status in the NHS is to be in the top 1% of the population for IQ: her apparently lame explanation that the 4 consultants have conspired to have her falsely accused is therefore much more credible than the idea that Lucy Letby is an emotionally detached, manipulative, cold-blooded serial killer - she has two cats for chrissake! (2) In such a specialised environment as a medical one, how likely is it that the police would have been able to disclose more medical evidence linking Lucy Letby to the deaths than the consultants would have had available to use to defend the Grievance which Lucy initiated in protest at being stood down from the Neo-natal unit? I think we can be confident that the consultants would have defended their position with vigour and with all the information on file. Nevertheless, the outcome was that they were forced to apologise to Lucy and confirm that apology by letter. It was that humiliating defeat which appears to have motivated them to call in Cheshire Police. (3) In relation to that Grievance of September 2016, having been re-deployed from the unit in July, if Lucy had not been able to work out that the increase in deaths was suspected to be a result of her failings, a letter around the same time from the Royal College of Nursing giving that information would have set her straight. If she had in fact killed seven babies and attempted to kill a number of other, is she likely to have voluntarily initiated an investigation into the work she had done on the unit? No matter how confident a person might be that their crimes were undetectable, why take such a risk when - even if successful - there was no guarantee of tangible reward? THAT MOVE MADE ABSOLUTLELY NO SENSE FOR SOMEONE WHO WAS NOT INNOCENT OF WRONGDOING AND THEREFORE HAD NO FEAR OF THE SCRUTINY OF THEIR PAST ACTIONS. It is my belief that instead of fearing for her life and struggling to cling to sanity as the most notorious serial killer in British history, Lucy Letby would be a free woman, working as a senior nurse somewhere today, if she had not taken a stand by submitting that grievance on 7 September 2016.
I turn now to exhibit ‘A’ in evidence of Lucy Letby’s innocence of these crimes, the so-called confessional post-it note. The first thing to say about it is that even in the absence of her statement to the court that the note was a private way of trying to make sense of what was happening to her which she did not intend or expect anyone else to read, those facts are obvious from the content and presentation. It is just a person expressing private thoughts, fears and anxieties over a massive setback in life. Some of England’s women team may well have done something similar over the past week after getting so close to sporting immortality and falling short. As a purely personal document not intended for other eyes, the sentence “I have not done anything wrong” can be taken at face value as a genuine belief:- the absence of an intended audience means there is no one to lie to and so no purpose to lying. The statement “I am innocent” also written there can be interpreted in the same way: as strong evidence that the fact of the statement is expressive of genuine belief.
There are so many things to say about the contents but perhaps the most important is that what the police and so many other have jumped on as evidence of guilt is plainly just a textbook example of the effects of gaslighting in action. The term “gaslighting” originates in a British play-turned film from the 1930s. The play was called “Gas Light” and the plot is about a husband who mentally and emotionally manipulates his wife into believing she is crazy by changing the intensity of the gas lamps within their home. On the note Lucy writes: “I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough” and “I am evil, I did this”. Her explanation for the first: “Because that was the suggestion throughout... that I’d been removed from the unit, that I’d done something wrong. That was what was being insinuated to me”. For the second she explains: “Because I felt at the time I had done something wrong and I thought I’m such an awful, evil person... that I had made mistakes and not known...That, somehow, I had been incompetent and I had done something wrong to affect these babies. I felt I must be responsible in some way”. These second two post-it statements evidence her questioning of what she knows to be the truth because her treatment by people she respects is consistent with a different, darker, version of reality.
I really have nothing to say about Lucy apparently being the only staff member connected contemporaneously with every incident. It is certainly damaging to her claim to be innocent but it cannot be right to take away someone’s life, liberty and good name purely on the basis of a statistical correlation alone. A relevant consideration here is that part of the campaign of innuendo which does some of the heavy lifting in the police case is information that Lucy Letby visited the unit sometimes when she was not on duty. She is unlikely to have done this unless it was standard practice (as it is in any ordinary workplaces) meaning that other members of staff must have also done so. The rota used to establish Lucy’s proximity to each event is therefore not infallible record of those attending the unit on any given day. Other staff could have made similar undocumented visits to the unit to the ones used to draw suspicion to her.
Matt Hancock's total is still rising
👏 Mr psycho sudden death syndrome Hancock
I hate that children got unalived 🥺🙏 praying for the families. But I appreciate being informed that the person was caught and hope to God whatever justice that can be done, will be done.
“Unalived”??
Stop saying "unalived." Call it what it is . Those innocent babies were MURDERED!!!
Don't trivialise with this stupid word
MURDERED
Nothing fails harder than prayers!
I feel pitty for her, she is a psycho possessed by devil, but sitting in a cell forever will not help anyone. Better to stay at home with her parents and when they could not be able to care for her,she can return in arrest or in a mental health center. But clearly she is like a dead living.
Or torture her?
If she is guilty she must have some underlying mental illness to some degree,
I still don't understand why it went on for so long.
No evil exists and she is it , no mental issues.
Psychopathy and sociopathy are not mental illnesses, they are personality traits. Whereas schizophrenia is a mental illness.
Pretty sure Myra Hindley and Ian Brady disagree 🤷🏻♂️
Lucy just got caught.. many more working for the NHS that's like her
What Huntley done was 100 per cent worse.
Wassent Beverley Allet called the same"
33 years old :)
A sad story for the famile's of the babys she killed. What is justice when someone kills babys. Justice should be handed to the parents of the babys that were killef by her. A sad story for all involed .
She may not have any psycho ilness. My father always said anyone can flup at any time. And have nothing wrong psychologically. The death penalty doesn't punish the individual it releases them. She must suffer.
Wow, what a title, wtf lucy !
I read her name as Lucy leftie
Um okay … and that’s relevant how ?
Lucy-fer
Put her in with the inmates no justice here
Even that would be to good for her....Death penalty for convicted child killers 🇬🇧
Usually, serial killers do very well in jail. Nearly none has been killed.
with a growing number of single, childless and unhappy women, this will not be the last revenge kiling against happy couples with children
Wtf? I’m single and child FREE and part of a whole collective of happy women. What you’re actually talking about is those who are sick in the head. Weirdo.
This isn’t about “childless and unhappy women” this is about a sociopathic murderer. When men kill people don’t think it’s because they don’t have a man or a child 🙄
Stupid comment…
The devils fault
if he existed........or we could blame robin hood or the loch ness monster
If she is actually guilty! Lets remember there has recently been an innocent man released after spending 20 years in prison for a crime he didnt commit.
There will be appeals and possible re trials. This isnt the end of this. Just take a step back, this could be a miscarriage of justice.
Not to mention there have been an unusually high number of infant deaths since 2020.
That’s true. I mean, no direct evidence? Only circumstantial?
Did you even follow the trial? There was a compelling case against her. Circumstantial evidence, if there is enough of it, is as good and statistically as reliable as any one unequivocal piece.
@@rosemaryhinchliffe7721 Yes I did follow it quite closely. Did you? So much has not been reported in mainstream media. How many convictions have been overturned like this one? Sally Clarke, Kathleen Folbigg. All convicted on circumstantial evidence and 'expert opinions'! She will appeal this. Hopefully in time we will know the truth either way.
@@myrants5836 Yes, I have followed it very closely and agree with the majority of the findings of the jury.
And to think there are people who don’t want Asian, Middle Eastern or black health practitioners…
Covert narcissistic. Big issue for modern women.
Lucifer letby u mean
Waffle Waffle
rubbish information
Lucy Shitby.
Cyclist at fault.
On yer bike
Include those who abort too they killed more than her.
I hope justice happens in prison
It's possibly she will have to be put on solitary confinement for protection in nail
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Wot no phorensics..... No CCTV footage.... Are we 100% certain this pretty & intelligent young lady Commited any crime at all 🤔 may be just pure coincidence.
oh...and all the paperwork and baby souvenirs MURDERED AND FOUND in this woman's house are also A HUGE COINCIDENCE?...
Somebody being pretty and intelligent means nothing. It's what goes on in the mind...
Yes forensic examination did take place - it is called discovery: data was gathered/scoured/analysed and results presented that identified a pattern of behaviour beyond mere coincidence - and those experienced in the field of data analysis presented the evidence to be tested in the court of law.
It is important not to engage in idle ignorant chatter when so many lives were snatched.
@@oseasviewer7108 there , there!!
hang on, she could be innocent...❤
bet you said the same about dr shipman
She is about as innocent as Peter Sutcliffe and his bag of hammers@@paulrichards6894
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@@paulrichards6894Bro Shipman was a creepy old guy no one doubted he guilty but LL is a reasonably hot girl and that need taking into account.
Let’s fully understand there is absolutely NO evidence of murder this lady committed! NONE! Guilty of not following procedures, being unhinged, possibly being negligent, but NO evidence of this lady committing murder!
You need to qualify that statement - have you examined all the facts? I fear not - take a closer look at the findings from the data analysis extracted from hospital notes and records. It may be beyond your comprehension.
@@oseasviewer7108 insulting my intelligence does not help your cause. NO Post-mortem was ever carried on any child she was found guilty of. No evidence of any substance was ever identified as the cause of death. I could go on but clearly your mind is closed? I fully understand the evidence put forward in this case and it was ALL circumstantial! Fact!