What you need to know about Thunderbolt 4 docks and 11th Gen / 12th Gen Core laptops before you buy!
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- Lyle Warnke covers the latest features of Thunderbolt 4 docks, Thunderbolt 4, and setting up a Thunderbolt 4 dock in under a minute.
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Topic: Lyle Warnke takes you through several tips on how to get the most out of your Thunderbolt 4 experience. He covers different styles of Thunderbolt 4 docks and dives into a full Thunderbolt setup walkthrough. In the walkthrough with an Intel 11th Gen Core EVO based laptop, he covers exactly how you might set up a docking station with your laptop, monitor, and peripheral devices.
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:02 Thunderbolt4 refresher with 11th Gen 12th Gen Core laptops
02:02 Thunderbolt 4 docks
02:57 Caldigit Element Hub
03:56 Anker 12-in-1 Thunderbolt 4 dock
04:33 Kensington SD5700t Thunderbolt 4 dock
05:10 Lenovo Thinkpad Thunderbolt 4 dock
06:07 Setting up a Thunderbolt workspace
08:38 Outro
08:48 Thunderbolt Tech Tip Contest
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So I'm looking at the
j5create 8K Thunderbolt 4 Docking Station (JTD562) it says it has backwards compatibility with thunderbolt 3. My dell xps 9500 has thunderbolt 3/ usb-c 3.1gen ports with PD and monitor. So I'm good to go, right?
Wow, wow, wow! What a great video. I've been following the Thunderbolt 4 advancements but didn't fully understand the improvements. Your video and demo really made all that clear. Docks with three downstream TBT 4 ports? This is a game changer.
We totally agree! We're happy we could clarify the benefits of Thunderbolt 4 for you. 😁
I miss the old days with you Matt. Crazy setups in all hours of the night. Now its crazy setups at home haha. But seriously, Thunderbolt 4 kicking it out of the park.
Just bought an MSI G16P Creator laptop and now have my first ever Thunderbolt port (version 4), I'm shopping around trying to find a dock that will suit my needs with the intent to replace my desktop so I'm not working with a desktop and a laptop and can slim down my workflow (photographer). This video was a big help, and I'm going to take a look at the rest of your content too now that I'm subscribed. Thanks!
This is a good place to look for Thunderbolt 4 docks: www.amazon.com/stores/page/4605690C-92F1-49E2-8A62-D41485AD4DE8?ingress=0&visitId=e894c826-18e7-436c-acb5-95530b98a7ca
We're glad this was helpful for you! :)
Perfect!!!
Well explained!! This was what I was looking for.
Awesome, thanks for watching!
Very help, extremely informative. Thank you!
Happy to help! Thanks for watching. 😁
Excellent Thunderbolt 4 hub review. Great work!
Thanks for tuning in!
Lyle and crew, excellent information. I am so glad I found your channel. I have an especially difficult Thunderbolt 4 issue with my Aorus 17X YD laptop. It has a Thunderbolt 4 and no Mini-DisplayPort connections. For background I also have a Aorus 17G, 10th Generation Intel Laptop with a Thunderbolt 3 and Mini-DisplayPort Connections. I also have an HP Reverb G2 Headset. On the older laptop I can use the Thunderbolt 3 or the Mini-DisplayPort connection to connect to the Reverb G2 and it works fine. The FPS was not what I wanted so I got the newer laptop with a 11th Generation Core i9, a 16 GB RTX 3080, and 64 GB or RAM. I go through a number of different brands of adapters cable to from Thunderbolt 4 to DisplayPort 1.4 with no clear video. I can take the same adapter, cable, and VR Headset to the Thunderbolt 3 port on the older laptop and the Video is clear at 90 hz refresh rate. What am I doing wrong? I sent my laptop back to Gigabyte thinking it had a hardware defect. Their RMA and Customer Support Supervisors told me there was nothing wrong and this very expensive laptop does not support VR. I don't want to accept that answer. Would the newer Thunderbolt 4 docks that have a DisplayPort 1.4 port cure the problem? Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. If you do not know the answer, can you recommend a support organization or forum that would? I have written to CalDigit to ask if their new TS4 would solve my problem. They have not answered yet, but it has only been a few days. By the way this would be an excellent @/thunderbolttechtips if it can be solved. I have seen on Reddit that I am not the only one with this issue on 11th Generation Intel Laptops.
Jim, great detail on your post. My guess is a dock isn’t going to solve your problem given the port from your laptop should be DP1.4 compliant. You might play around with the graphic settings. Not sure if you can disable the 3080 and see if the video clears up. Not a solution, but the difference between your old laptop and new laptop is also the graphics. I would post questions on some graphic forums as well.
Wish I I had a good answer for you Jim. Keep us posted.
@@Lyle-rp7ud Thanks for the response. Let me provide a bit more information and ask a few more questions. I am seeking to understand. My older laptop with the Thunderbolt 3 port has an Nvidia 3080 with 8 GB of VRAM. The newer laptop with Thunderbolt 4 has an Nvidia 3080 with 16 GB of VRAM. What Gigabyte tells me is that all video signals go through the Intel built in graphics card and that is what is giving the VR Headset trouble. Does that make sense? I would think the higher speed ports would go directly to the Nvidia graphics card.
Now for my silly question. To meet the Thunderbolt 4 Specification does the vendor have to embed DisplayPort into the port? It is my understanding that Thunderbolt 4 includes DisplayPort 2.0. Is that correct and is it optional or required? Thanks again Lyle for helping me to understand. From what I have read many other 11th Generation Intel laptop have this same problem with driving VR Headsets from Thunderbolt 4. I have also noticed that Aorus from Gigabyte has put the Mini-DisplayPort 1.4a connector back on the side of their 12th Generation Intel Laptops along with a Thunderbolt 4 port. Why is that necessary?
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Bloody great vid. Thanks
Thanks for watching Chris!
Thank you very much my friend, that was a pretty explanatory video ! Congratulations, keep it up
Thanks for watching, we're glad we could help!
Wow, I didn't realize how powerful and quick a setup with a thunderbolt dock is. Definitely adding one to my to buy list now! I would love to see how creators are using docks and thunderbolt 4 to increase their productivity. #thunderbolttechtips
Check out our Thunderbolt In Real Life playlist to hear from creators, gamers, and everyday workers how they are utilizing Thunderbolt 4: ua-cam.com/play/PLO3XjMzDHw00ywUKVwXL013zdKoXQ2zXu.html 😁
Why is “productivity” the new buzz word now? Don’t people still have something of a personal life anymore? Hmmm….
exactly, they cut ports from laptops and make you buy docks and say you will increase productivity, when productivity was already there. Pathetic capitalism for gen z people@@chrism3845
Awesome information - great video! Looking good, Lyle!!
Living the dream David. Hey congrats again and we should sync up some time, I want to hear about the new gig and talk Thunderbolt.
Thanks for watching David!
Now that it's being merged with USB, I have a can foster my interest in Thunderbolt. Great protocol.
Wow, thunderbolt 4 can do all that. Awesome.
Absolutely. Thunderbolt 4 offers so many possibilities! ⚡
I have the Kensington model. Pretty Okay for 3 external displays for work .
Love this
Caldigit has another dock as well, the Thunderbolt Station 4 (TS4) dock. They just released it earlier this month.
Absolutely, it's a fantastic device!
My new laptop is Evo capable, so I guess it is time to ditch the old Thunderbolt 3 dock I have. Nice video.
Yeah you can now take advantage of everything Thunderbolt 4 has to offer you! :)
Good video, nice explanation and demo. . How about one that shows docks that work on a M1 MacBook?
All products that are certified for Thunderbolt 3 or Thunderbolt 4 should work the exact same across any standard. Here's a list: thunderbolttechnology.net/products
Hello. Love the video and learn quite a bit from this channel. Just wondering is it possible to setup two PC laptops and sharing two Monitors through just one docking station?
The simple answer is no. Only one Laptop will enumerate the device and you will see it in the device manager. Once you unplug that laptop the other can re-enumerate it as it’s own. I hope this helps clarify! However, this can be achieved with KVM switch.
@@GetThunderbolt Thank you so much for the reply.
Does the Kensington dock support M1 and M2 for dual monitors?
I just found your channel and loved your video! I have a have a 16" MacBook Pro with a M1 Max chip so it can support "Up to three external displays with up to 6K resolution and one external display with up to 4K resolution at 60Hz" per Apple's website.
I am currently using my work provided Windows laptop through a thunderbolt dock connecting to two 1080p monitors via display port.
Is there a dock you would recommend that I could replace my current dock with, add another monitor for 3 total, and have it set up so I can just plug one cable into either my work or personal laptop? All displays would be basic 60hz 1080p so I don't think bandwidth will be an issue. Thanks! And great video!
All the dock offer different advantages, but we recommend you ask the Thunderbolt community on Reddit or our Facebook group for recommendations: facebook.com/groups/getthunderbolt/.
However it cannot support 3 external displays that are 4k and above. It supports dual 4K, and single 5K, 6K, or 8K.
Impossible, as one Thunderbolt connection can only support 2 screens max
Pretty compelling to get Thunderbolt laptop.
Absolutely, you have all the connectivity you need with a thin and light laptop 😁
#ThunderboltTechTips great video. I would love to know the Thunderbolt 4 hub/dock that you demonstrated at the end of the video. I don't think it was actually one you reviewed.
This is the Thunderbolt 4 dock from OWC - www.owc.com/solutions/thunderbolt-dock
were you not able to hardwire ethernet in your demo setup?
I use a seagate firecuda
One of the Best Buy’s I made😊
That's awesome to hear! What do you mostly use it for? Gaming?
Great video. I received my new Dell xps15 and the dock I'm currently using can only provide 100W, while the xps15 requires 130w. Does this mean that I have to choose the Dell WD19S/WD19TBS, as these two are the only product on the market that can provide 130W output.
The Dell WD19S still only delivers 90W of power. You can still use these docks for power delivery, but they won't give your laptop the full power it needs.
great video. Question - I have Alienware M17 R3 laptop with hdmi port & thunderbolt 4 usbc port trying to connect to my dual Alienware AW3418DW monitors & Alienware AW510k keyboard + Alienware wireless AW610m mouse. what thunderbolt 4 hub would you recommend to run all these items. thanks for your help.
Any of the docks we reviewed in the video are great choices, but it really comes down to preference and budget. You can find all the certified Thunderbolt 4 docks and products here: thunderbolttechnology.net/products.
I wish I could find a TB4 dock that is powered by a USB-C connector power supply so that I do not have to carry an extra, dock specific, power brick with me when I am on the road (Lenovo laptop uses USB-C connect for power input).
The Lenovo dock that you demo is closest soln, but it uses the newer square connector.
Thanks for the info. But I am not sure about the following bit: does this standard specify a downstream PD on each of the connected devices? Or is power delivery out of Thunderbolt standard?
Thunderbolt spec has PD specs for up to 15w for Thunderbolt accessories. For USB devices, the USB standard for power is utilized, typically up to 7.5w. So yes, all part of the Thunderbolt spec as far as how the PD behaves.
@@justme0098 Thanks for the info!
props to the editor for masking out his head
What have you heard about the new Dell Universal dock to be released in May?
You'll have to wait and see 😉
Hi thanks for this. Im a bit confused, I guess. I purchased the SD5700T , but not sure how to configure it correctly. Im not using a laptop, so have no desire to charge one. Seems like thats thats how many are using this but, not me. I have a brand new Imac 24, with 4 usb c ports (thunderbolt) No Ethernet port. So I got this dock to allow me to connect to my network via netgear Gs108 ethernet router, connecting my (MyCloud Ex4100/Ethernet) and (MyCloud P2100 Ethernet) both powered independently. My (usb hub) connected to usb 10g port on back of dock. Im wondering if I should use all 4 ports on the Imac to divide up some of the power requirements? Im also wondering if I should use the usb hub exclusively on one of the thunderbolt ports on the back of imac, converted from USB to USB c. usb hub only, as it could require more power depending on how many ports on the usb are being used? Although WyCloud drives are on the network, (Connected only via ethernet, no power requirements from the 5700) when I was transferring files, the Kensington, would lock up my drives, my tv Connected to xfinty router, via network the drives on the network, would drop. Those drives are not connected to the 5700, yet when transferring files from one drive to another, it would occasionally lock up, and I would have to power cycle the 5700, to get my drives back. I may have it connected incorrectly, as I have never used this dock before. Im hearing that others are having similar issues. Dont know if I should scrap this and get something else. Any suggestions are appreciated
If there is an issue with the iMac, you'll need help from Apple or if there's an issue with the Kensington dock, then you will need Kensington to help you. However, we would recommend that you make sure since only 2/4 of the ports on the iMac are Thunderbolt, that you have your dock and any other Thunderbolt accessories plugged into the Thunderbolt ports marked with a Thunderbolt logo to ensure it works properly.
Thanks for the video! I’m trying to find a solution to connect four 4k monitors to my MacBook Pro. My MacBook is maxed out with M1 Max, 64gb memory so the laptop will support it. Which product do you recommend? Thanks for your help! Jason
You may want to research different Thunderbolt docks that have MST built in and see if that will enable you to meet your needs with more monitors. It will come down to compatibility and you will need to research that. MST is Multi Stream Transport and a technology that some docks use for display features.
@@GetThunderbolt OK great! Thanks for the info
@@GetThunderbolt as far as I know, MacOS doesn't support MST. But I might be wrong
So what's everyone (or yours) favorite/best docking station out there? Now or historically (recently) that has a good blend of price/performance/value?
All those in this video review are great choices, it really comes down to personal preference at the end of the day
Hi. And what kind of adapters do you use when you connected HDMI to THUNDERBOLT?
USB-C to HDMI. You can buy adapters or full length cables
Hey there maybe a dum question, but if I connect Thunderbolt 4 dock with 90w or 100w power charge and connect my lap top charger whitch is a 240W in the same time will it mess with one another maybe burn my lap top? Legion 7 1200h rtx3060 here.
It won't be able to properly charge and may stay at the same battery or even lose power. It won't be harmful, but you're recommended to use the charger that came with the laptop. The power delivery is more so meant for thin and light laptops.
I could use your kind help, if possible.
I have a MacBook Pro (2023) and have a HP Thunderbolt G2 docking station. After I plug the USB-C cable in to the MacBook, the MacBook Desktop goes empty except for the desktop’s background image, but my 43” monitor stays black. If I then plug in my Dell laptop, everything works fine. Are there any settings I need to set to 1) to get the desktop/etc. to show on my 43” monitor, 2) Why does my computer shut down when I am using the USB-C and I close the MacBook Pro’s lid? Also, not sure if it matters, I run my HP docking station trough a IOGEAR 4-Port HDMI KVM switch where I have three machines running. Only one laptop, the MacBook, uses the Thunderbolt dock.. The other two work fine.
KVM switches can be tricky for compatibility. Are you using a USB-C cable or a Thunderbolt cable for your dock?
I will update the computer in my studio in the next 12 months.Do I stick with PC or go Mac is not the question. I have 10 usb 2/3 pro music bits of kit that I will not change and will only add more. ( 32 channel mixer a load of pro synths and drum machines etc ) and then there is the external drives and keyboard and mouse. How realistic or reliable would it be to have a say 2 10 X usb A powered hubs plugged into a thunderbolt 4 dock some even have space for external drives not necessary if I stay PC but if I go Mac maybe useful. What advice can you give regarding expanding a thunderbolt 4 dock with extra usb A ports. Thanks
If your current dock doesn't offer enough ports, you can attach USB A powered hubs with no problem as docks support a good amount of bandwidth and power. You can also daisy chain Thunderbolt docks to add more ports. Just make sure your Thunderbolt devices are ahead of the USB A devices in the daisy chain.
Hi, I have a 16" M1 Max, Macbook (supports 4 external displays). I need 4 external displays with either 4K(preferred) or 1080p 60Hz, is there any dock which supports 4 external monitos (without displayLink) ? I would love it if it connects with laptop using only single TB4 cable, but even if it takes 2 ports of laptop it will be good for me.
Any suggestions please ? Or do I only have one option of using 2 docks on separate TB4 ports of laptop. ?
Interestingly enough, Plugable just debutted their new 4 monitor dock! Check it out www.tomshardware.com/news/plugable-four-monitor-dock
Hi! I just want to know if all Thunderbolt 4 supports external GPU? The specific laptop is Acer A514-55-37VX.
Yes absolutely! Thunderbolt supports external GPUs.
Can you recommend a dock with only usb and without power delivery? I want to charge the MacBook with the oem charger and want to run multiple external hard drives. Hard to find one.
All Thunderbolt 4 docks have power delivery but that doesn't limit you in anyway. You'll also likely want to use Thunderbolt for external hard drives for faster speeds given you get Thunderbolt compatible external storage. No issue with using your laptop charger and using a powered Thunderbolt dock at the same time. Your laptop will pick the best power source.
Nice video :). #ThunderboltTechTips I would be interested in Thunderbolt Docks/Hubs which work without issues under Linux as most vendors are not able to specify this in their specs.
The main guarantee is support for Windows and MacOs with our certification. We don't have specific insights on Linux compatibility for every device.
do u have to have the lid and turn the PC power on OR there is a way to wake up the PC? thx
To wake from sleep, you can just touch the keyboard or mouse when your laptop is connected to a docking station. That's one of Thunderbolt 4's great features!
What's I'm curious about is it safe to plug one of these docks into a regular desktop with Thunderbolt 4? Or would the dock try to back feed power to the desktop?
If a laptop or any computer doesn't need the power from the dock (it has its own power source or needs more than what power delivery offers), it will just draw power from its own power source. So you should have no issues in that regard.
Can I hook up 2 external monitors to the OWC doc?
Yes, Thunderbolt 4 supports up to dual 4K monitors at 60hz!
Can you use any of these docks/hubs to connect a M1 MacBook Pro to dual external displays via USB-C?
You could connect dual 4K monitors with Thunderbolt! :)
hello this is a nice video for non tech fellows like me. i have some (stupid as usual) questions. So i am planning to buy a laptop that will have thunderbolt 4 and I need to hook that up to the Apple Studio Display, which is a 5K monitor. I notice that you keep on saying throughout the video 4K. So if I have buy a thunderbolt 4 hub to connect to a 5K Apple monitor, then which dock should I get? thanks
Any certified Thunderbolt dock should be able to support a single 5K monitor with Thunderbolt.
Here's a link to all of our certified products: www.thunderbolttechnology.net/products
Here's a link to our Amazon store: www.thunderbolttechnology.net/productswww.amazon.com/stores/page/4605690C-92F1-49E2-8A62-D41485AD4DE8?ingress=0&visitId=5efea45d-d02d-4010-b8cb-272b01f18dcb
Does eGPU efficiency go down if it pass through a thunderbolt 4 dock instead of directly into the PC?
It shouldn't affect the efficiency, but where possible you want to put high performance devices at the front of the daisy chain of devices.
What's the make/model of the monitor & webcam you're using?
Here's the link toe the products:
www.dell.com/en-au/shop/dell-ultrasharp-27-4k-premiercolor-monitor-up2720q/apd/210-avbk/monitors-monitor-accessories
www.logitech.com/en-us/products/webcams/brio-4k-hdr-webcam.960-001105.html?irclickid=Wum0EZSAqxyIRY6XoW24CWWOUkDwfVwly1bs1Y0&irgwc=1
@@GetThunderbolt thank you.
The problem I have is not enough usb-c ports. Don’t care about USB A need C. Even Ankers 13-1 don’t provide enough USB-C. I have connected to mine 3 external Hard drives, the other day my Mac-mini shut down two of the drives for drawing to much power. Could I take the Anker and plug a usb c hub into one of the USB-c ports and get around the power issue?
Can I use a normal USB-C cable on a Macbook thunderbolt 4 port or should i buy a specific thunderbolt 4 cable?
You can use a normal USB-C cable as it's backwards compatible, but it will not support a Thunderbolt device. For Thunderbolt devices you need Thunderbolt throughout the entire workflow to support them. This means you need a laptop with Thunderbolt, a Thunderbolt cable, and a Thunderbolt device.
I am planning to purchase Lenovo Legion Gen 8 laptop (7i line) and in Gen 8 (comparing with Gen 7) the number of TB 4 ports has been reduced from 2 to 1.
I've never used anything TB hence this question: what am I really losing with not having one extra TB port? I want to connect 2 4K external monitors for general "office" workload, photo and video editing (also possibly some sort of external TB drive). I know I can just use TB dock with multiple TB outputs but then I am still limited to a single bandwidth pipeline to the laptop. So am I bottlenecked in any ways? Laptop, of course, also has additional USB-C and USB-A ports.
You aren't bottlenecked with 1 port. Multiple ports are more so useful for on the go users who may have 1 or 2 devices to use, but for a 1 cable setup with a dock, 1 port is all you need! :)
@@GetThunderbolt thanks!
Just a question: can you start an stop your computer with the dock station ? I mean without opening the laptop to press the ON button
No, there aren't any current certified Thunderbolt docks offer power control for you laptop.
HP, Dell, Lenovo have power buttons on their docks, but only work with same brand PC.
I still have to see one with CFexpress reader.... Mostly have SD card reader which is useless as most MACs now a days have it
I would recommend looking at Blackjet and LaCie's products for a solution there.
#ThunderboltTechTips Are there any thunderbolt hub that don’t need external power. Because i have an asus TErx3 (or something like that) thunderbolt expansion card in my pc that allows for 100watts charging is there any way to use this for powering a hub since i could use my better and more efficient pc power supply for charging and i also could save the space for an external powersupply
The power delivery is for charging a laptop primarily. It's not designed for peripheral devices that already have their own power supplies.
@@GetThunderbolt ah i guess that has to do with the voltage conversion
In your case since you have a Desktop PC, your going to get the power via the desktops power supply. There are some bus powered Thunderbolt devices that give HDMI, USB, SD readers, but your very limited. If your looking for more ports, then you will need to use a powered Thunderbolt dock solution which won't be an issue, your Desktop would simply connect from your expansion card to the Thunderbolt dock via a Thunderbolt cable.
Hi I have Levono Legend 5 gaming laptop. Can you tell my what dock is best for this laptop thanks
There is no perfect dock for each laptop, it's more about what you prefer as a user. It could be the number of ports, the design, etc. Any certified Thunderbolt 4 dock will be great for you. See our docks here: www.amazon.com/stores/page/4605690C-92F1-49E2-8A62-D41485AD4DE8?ingress=0&visitId=b26ca07e-65c6-4c3b-a130-d25f39ef1e42
The great news is you can use any Thunderbolt 3 or Thunderbolt 4 dock. There are some nice Thunderbolt gaming docks that provide storage and extra ports as an example. Check out this video to see a Seagate Thunderbolt 3 dock in action ua-cam.com/video/Mp10my6Ji-E/v-deo.html
I nearly bought a Legion 7i, but talking with their sales team I learned it doesn't support thunderbolt 4 docks even though it has 2 thunderbolt 4 ports. It would be great to know how to tell which thunderbolt 4 implementations support a dock and which don't. #ThunderboltTechTips.
Maybe the salesman got confused? How is it not possible for a thunderbolt 4 port to not support a TB4 dock?
@@marktiu8402 That's a great question. But hard to spend that much money on a device when the sales people say it won't work.
That laptop does support it. If it's a certified laptop with Thunderbolt it supports it. Also all Intel Evo laptops support it.
@@GetThunderbolt On Lenovo forum they say Legion is not officialy suported with Thunderbolt 4 docks, does that mean it's not working I wonder!?
@@OrthodoxTrooper That is likely only for Legion AMD machines that don't have Thunderbolt 4
One thing I've never understood: Do each of the downstream Thunderbolt 4 ports each support 40Gbps individually? Or is that the maximum of all of them combined, considering they plug into the laptop via just a single Thunderbolt 4 port?
Each of the downstream Thunderbolt 4 ports supports 40Gbps individually. Thunderbolt 4 supports four fully functional Thunderbolt 4 ports (one upstream and three downstream) in a docking station, making it the perfect port for maximum productivity
@@GetThunderbolt Interesting. So does that mean that the single Thunderbolt 4 port on my computer that connects to my dock is technically capable of 160Gbps, since all four downstream 40Gbps ports are running through that one port to my computer?
@@GetThunderbolt I guess I just don't understand. Since the single port going out to the dock is Thunderbolt 4, wouldn't that one port limited to 40Gbps? So how are the three ports on the dock also operable at full 40Gbps speeds? I'm just trying to understand. If all three downstream ports operate at full 40Gbps speeds, then wouldn't that mean that the single cable/port that's connected to the dock technically be transmitting at 160Gbps? Thanks for the explanation!
@aaronhinton92 As I tried to figure things like that out, it seemed there are some common Thunderbolt issues. There are several ways the 40Gb/s signal rate can get divvied up among the possible functions, such as your "4 ports at 40 Gb/s", which in reality means the 40 Gb/s bandwidth is divvied up among them. Users usually do not know exactly what "divvy" they need, or what "divvy" they're going to get with a dock. INTEL certification can help to some extent, but that does not assure functional reliability.
The only way to make sense of the many user reviews I read on docks (most not the high-end ones named above), is that with an unsettling frequency, they do not work fully. The buyer usually just finds out whether it did what they needed, often far short of what they're "spec'd" to be capable - the function the user wanted quit working. Depending on the source of the reports/comments, on the order of 5 - 10% of most brands, including some Intel certified, fail partially or completely at that rate within a year. Making matters worse, the low-end suppliers's rhetoric uses sleight of paw to imply Thunderbolt=USB-C, based on the common connector.
Question. I have a Dell setup for work (Dell Laptop/Dell WD19 docking station). I can connect my computer to that dock and it automatically powers up without me having to open and turn on the computer. I'm trying to duplicate that with an HP Laptop and other docking station I have at home but without success. They'll work together but I have to open the laptop and turn it on when I initially connect it to the dock. Is there some setting I might be missing on the PC or is that just the way it works. The laptop has Thunderbolt 4 and docking station has Thunderbolt 3. Thanks.
It depends if you have a docking station with power delivery. Thunderbolt 4 docks are guaranteed to deliver up to 100W, but not all Thunderbolt 3 docks have this built in. The feature you are also referring to is wake-from-sleep where you don't need to open the laptop, but you can just touch your mouse or use a peripheral to wake up your computer setup which is also a feature related to Thunderbolt 4. Let me know if this answers your question.
@@GetThunderbolt Thanks. I'll have to do some digging. The docking station I'm using on the HP has three Thunderbolt ports and one is identified as for the laptop. It's 100W and does charge the laptop.
Yes that is a Thunderbolt 4 docking station then so that would make sense.
Suggestion for future - might want to comment on compatibility. Was impressed with the Anker 777 but when i went to their website saw that it does not support Apple M1 chips on the macbook pro.
Thanks for the suggestion David! We did note in the title and description it was for 11/12th gen Intel laptops, but we'll try to include a more clear disclaimer in the next video.
@@GetThunderbolt - sorry about missing the disclaimer - so maybe hubs for Mac’s might be an idea?
@@mitch1958no1 Yeah that could be a great topic. Thanks for the suggestion!
@@GetThunderbolt Does this support the M2 Pro though?
@@kriskhaira Any laptops that have Thunderbolt can utilize Thunderbolt devices.
Would you recommend Dell WD22TB4 dock station if l have 2 Dell 27" monitors 1440p running from 1080p Laptop with Intel graphics 5000 and Nvidia gtx 950M?
Your laptop would also have to be Thunderbolt 4, but that should work fine via HDMI/Displayport from the dock.
@@GetThunderbolt Thanks for the reply. Is there any dock station that supports 120hz or are most 60hz? My two monitors are 120 hz but l think it doesn't matter if my laptop us only 60hz. Although in future l might play xbox in high refresh rate
@@mato2126 All docks vary, you may have to shop around. Check out our Amazon store for the latest Thunderbolt 4 docks: www.amazon.com/stores/page/A7E9683D-CE72-4374-8A1B-9693F6C72BA9
#ThunderboltTechTips ~What about high speed SSD enclosures for Thunderbolt 4, as I'm on the new Mac Studio M1. Two days of shopping and learning and I'm still at a loss. Thanks.
There aren't many Thunderbolt 4 storage solutions because the speed didn't change from Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 4. You can find all our certified products here: www.thunderbolttechnology.net/products
And you can shop on our Amazon store for storage solutions here: www.amazon.com/stores/page/394B2EDF-F52C-4207-9384-854EA9751EEF
Thunderbolt 3 SSD's utilize 4 PCIe lanes, while Thunderbolt 4 SSD's can only utilize 1 PCIe lanes due to the device side chip. So Thunderbolt 3 SSD is the best SSD solution. That's why you don't see many Thunderbolt 4 SSD's
Do the Thunderbolt 4 docks require that the USB port in the computer itself is Thunderbolt 4 compatible?
Yes if you want to take full advantage. If you are using a Thunderbolt 4 dock with a Thunderbolt 3 cable or port on your computer, you will have limited connectivity or it may not even work. You need a Thunderbolt 4 cable and a Thunderbolt 4 port on both ends for full connectivity.
I need a dock that can support two 5k TB monitors-- any suggestions?
We don’t support Dual 5K yet. It’s Dual 4K or single 5K, 6K, or 8K
My IT department will not install drivers on my work laptop. Which of these docks can be used without installing drivers?
Hey Mark,
No. You shouldn’t need to install any software or drivers to make things work. Connect your Thunderbolt laptop with any Thunderbolt accessory, and they simply work together.
if i have a 120 hz monitor do will this work with an capable usb to display port cable as well?
Yes, it should work just fine. Just make sure you buy the right adapter or connect via a dock.
@@GetThunderbolt but it will just work with 60 hz right? Because the docs you have showed are not capable to transfer more then 60hz as I read. Or do I am wrong?
@@applepieberlin No, you do still need something that fully supports the monitor. So it can't just be any device. For example, the Startech USBC to DisplayPort adapter supports 4k 120hz
Great video! I've just bought two monitors that can run at 120hz. I bought a dual HMDI dongle so I could connect both but the the refresh rate drops to 60 and the other down to 30. Is there a dock that allows me to connect two external monitors AND can run at 120hz (not just 4k at 60hz
No. Running 2 HDMI monitors @ 4k/120hz is impossible unless they're hooked up directly to a desktop computer. No laptop or dock is strong enough to do what you're asking.
@@ABP8214 Sorry I should have been clearer. I don't mind dropping below 4K if I can still get 120hz. All good though I've found a dock which will do that (I think) will be testing it out when it arrives tomorrow.
@@bludangell Let us know your experience with this!
@@bludangell .
So I got the Caldigit Thunderbolt 4 Element Hub and it's working really well. I use it to power my laptop and connect to one of my screens and the other screen is connected directly to the laptop. Both run at 120hz. Happy days!
Dumb question.
Can I plug a eGPU dock into one of the downstream Thunderbolt ports of the doc?
You can daisy chain up to 6 devices! To avoid issues, try make sure they are in order by power usage.
Would’ve been nice to her how loud some of these are - some dock fans on TB docks are intolerably loud.
Thanks for the suggestion, we will consider that for future episodes! 😃
A majority of the Thunderbolt docks are actually fanless, so no noise from the dock.
My new Dell XPS15 9510 came with a 130 watt power supply. Does myn ew thunderbolt docking station need to have 130 watts also? Am I going to fry it with the 130 watt supply? My previous HP notebook ran slow with the supplied underpowered power supply. The docks spec all say 100 watt max or less except those big Dell docks. Would it be better to put the power supply direct to the PC and then connect all via a USB-c hub?
You have the mighty H-Series processor, so that laptop will require more than what your typical Thunderbolt docking station will provide. It is recommended that you power your laptop with the power supply that came with it. The laptop has different power profiles and will know to use the laptop charger, even when the dock is also plugged in. The laptop will look at all power sources and choose the best one.
Thank you, that is reassuring. Didnt want to fry anything. Just ordered the Anker 777
thunderbolt 4 station. @@GetThunderbolt
considering working with Dell 130 watt requirements would a hub be just as efficient as a dock?
I have a Asus ROG Zephyrus M16 2023. It should support Thunderbolt 4, but in device manager in Windows 11, it doesn't appear. What am I missing? Where to look?
If your Asus ROG Zephyrus M16 (2023) supports Thunderbolt 4, but it's not appearing in the Device Manager on Windows 11, you can try the following steps to resolve the issue:
Check BIOS settings: Restart your laptop and access the BIOS (usually by pressing F2, F10, or DEL during startup). Make sure that the Thunderbolt support is enabled in the BIOS settings. Save and exit.
Update BIOS: Visit the Asus support website, search for your specific laptop model, and download the latest BIOS version available. Follow the instructions provided by Asus to update the BIOS safely.
Update drivers: Make sure you have the latest Thunderbolt drivers installed. Visit the Asus support website, search for your specific laptop model, and download the latest Thunderbolt 4 drivers available. Install them and restart your laptop.
Windows Update: Ensure your Windows 11 is up to date with the latest updates and patches. Go to "Settings" > "Windows Update" > "Check for updates" and install any available updates.
Check the Thunderbolt Software: Make sure the Thunderbolt Control Center app is installed on your laptop. You can download it from the Microsoft Store if it's not already installed.
Inspect the connection: If you're using a Thunderbolt 4 device, make sure it's properly connected to your laptop. If you're using a Thunderbolt 4 hub, try connecting the device directly to your laptop without the hub, and see if it appears in the Device Manager.
If you've tried these steps and the Thunderbolt 4 support still doesn't appear in the Device Manager, it might be a hardware issue, and you should contact Asus support for further assistance.
Can i connect my Razer Core to a Thunderbolt 4 port? Will it work on a laptop?
Yes, any Thunderbolt 3 device will work on a Thunderbolt 4 enabled PC.
Is there a Thunderbolt 4 port only without any multi ports? Or do I need a PCIe? I have a 2019 Mac Pro
The most Thunderbolt 4 ports you'll get on a dock currently is 4 and there are no Thunderbolt only certified docks. If you're looking for something minimal then the Caldigit Element Hub may be right for you.
@@GetThunderbolt thanks what’s the cheapest but good Thunderbolt 4 hub dock thing?
@@KainsTorment There is no cheapest option because they all vary with what they offer. See our deals section for some good sales: www.amazon.com/stores/page/59274C51-278A-4234-9D69-3685A581D727?ingress=0&visitId=374a2b59-aea5-4406-a105-440859bc5219
Which dock allows my laptop top to not have to be open to use?
Several Thunderbolt docks allow you to use your laptop in "closed-clamshell" or "closed-display" mode, which means you can use an external monitor, keyboard, and mouse while your laptop is closed. Here are a few options:
CalDigit TS3 Plus Thunderbolt 3 Dock: This dock offers a variety of ports, including USB-C, USB-A, DisplayPort, Ethernet, and more. It can provide power to your laptop and supports closed-clamshell mode.
Belkin Thunderbolt 3 Dock Pro: This dock also supports closed-clamshell mode and provides a wide range of ports for all your peripherals.
Dell WD19TB Thunderbolt Docking Station: This dock is specifically designed for Dell laptops but can work with others that support Thunderbolt 3. It also supports closed-clamshell mode.
Remember, the ability to use a laptop in closed-clamshell mode also depends on the laptop itself. Most Apple MacBooks support this feature, and many Windows laptops do as well, but you should check the specific settings or features of your laptop to be sure.
@Thunderbolt thanks for all those tips! Nobody ever talks about this feature in their reviews. I my old computer is an HP elitebook 820 and the dock is amazing since you never have to touch the laptop. Built in power button on the dock is amazing, but I wasn't able to find one with the same features for my new Asus Vivobook
Thanks. If I may make a suggestion. You need to offer content that focus on budget minded buyers. Hard to justify 300.00 for a dock.
We'll keep that in mind for future episodes. Maybe we can do one for those on a budget!
Do keep in mind that Thunderbolt devices are considered high performance and higher end devices which usually comes with a more hefty price tag to match the demands on power, bandwidth, etc.
That's a good point; many people ho work with computer (as me for example, graphic design and pre-press) infact don't need to buy the most expensive one...I mean, I have two monitor but one is 1080p and the main is little more but not 4k; I have some old and other simple peripherals to keep using and the most advanced interface of my external disks i Usb c; All this to just say that many workers don't need to buy thunderbolt docks only because I have upgraded old mac to latest one with TB4; a good usb-c dock maybe could be enough :) It's just my simple opinion, maybe I'm wrong :) Byeeee .P.S. my compliments for the precious info of this video!
When the pandemic started I went through a few cheap ones, ended up with a lenovo one for 300 quid allowed me to work from home. The hp one that came from work for 300 was a piece of crap... price cheap generally mean nothing anymore as quality control is nil in my opinion they clearly just want you cash.
My guy if you drop $1500-$2500 for a mac then you don't want to use cheap shit that might burn your laptop.
The justification for the high price is supposed to be compatibility and certification, everything should “just work” - except when it doesn’t. I’ve just spent an entire day trying to get a promise Pegasus storage array that is supposed to be certified on Windows…yet it doesn’t work on my HP Z2 Mini G9 :(. HP support are absolutely no help at all and Promise blames their thunderbolt implementation so I’m basically SOL.
So what I need to have..
Thunderbolt cable
Thunderbolt dock ( Thinkpad) .
Yes along with a laptop that also has Thunderbolt. :)
#Thunderbolttechtips I have a Dell Alienware M3 that has Thunderbolt 3. Can I use the Anker dock with it. The website said it does not support Windows Thunderbolt 3 devices.
You cannot properly use a Thunderbolt 4 dock with a Thunderbolt 3 laptop only because certain features like having 4 Thunderbolt ports are only supported by Thunderbolt 4.
@@GetThunderbolt will they just become thunderbolt 3 then? What about HDMI outs?
@@dennisschultz1175 Thunderbolt 3 cannot support 4 Thunderbolt ports, so no it wouldn't work correctly. You're better off getting a Thunderbolt 3 dock for a Thunderbolt 3 laptop.
Is a Thunderbolt 4 dock worthwhile if you have a Ryzen 5000 based laptop?
If you're just using USB-C then you may not be able to support the full capabilities of a Thunderbolt dock and are better off using a USB-C dock.
I connected wavlink thunderbolt 4 dock to my Rtx3070ti laptop. Then, I connected 3 1080p monitors to dock but i can not setup nvidia surround. The monitos are connected to integrated gpu instead of nvidia gpu. Disappointed
At the end of the video what if I don’t want to charge my laptop? But want to keep all devices connected.
This may be possible if done through the BIOS, but is fairly technical. May we ask why you wouldn't want your laptop to charge?
@@GetThunderbolt When battery is full better not to keep it charging for the life of the battery
@@asbasf2382 It should be fine given you have devices plugged in and are using your laptop. Your laptop won't be overcharging.
Can I use a new usb4 amd laptop in my old thunderbolt 3 dock?
Yes Thunderbolt 3 devices should work fine with USB4 though we cannot guarantee products that aren't Thunderbolt certified. Certified products are listed here: thunderbolttechnology.net/products
@@GetThunderbolt thanks for answering my question!
I'm looking forward to using new USB4AMD for everything. This one niche was the one thing holding back AMD against Intel, and now they can just take over
What's the difference between a tb4 dock that sells for 50 dollars and one that sells for 300+? They seem to have the same connections
Can you give us an example? The difference is likely that the $50 one isn't certified and thus isn't guaranteed to actually work properly
I wanted to add something here that might help some people out. I bought a QGeeM 16 in 1 Thunderbolt 4 docking station and hooked it up. It worked fine, all of the sudden it didn't. I could NOT get it to work. I even ordered a replacement thinking it might be bad. I tried everything. double checked the BIOS, reloaded the software for the motherboard etc. I could not find ANYTHING on the net to help me figure out what the problem was. I still don't know what the problem was, the port worked fine, I could direct connect things to it but the docking station simply wouldn't. Well, tonight I just removed the RAM from the motherboard because I was upgrading from 32 -> 64GB. I noticed that after I started the computer all of the sudden the docking station started working.
I have no idea what the issue was but it would appear that removing and reinstalling (or in my case, replacing) the memory seemed to reset something and make the docking station start working for some reason.
I just wanted to share this because I found absolutely NOTHING out there that addressed this issue and I've looked for a couple weeks now.
Sorry to hear about that! It's important that the laptop you connect to the dock has Thunderbolt 4 and that you're also using a Thunderbolt 4 cable too. But if there are specific device issues you'll have to reach out to QGeem for help. We only work on the standard and certification.
@@GetThunderbolt Understood, please be aware that the computer most certainly does have thunderbolt 4 ports (2 in fact) and I am using exclusively thunerbolt 4 cables, so all of that is right. Still no idea what the issue was but reseating the memory fixed it, just wanted to share that with folks that may be having the same issue, doing everything right but just stops working. Thanx
Is there any thunderbolt 4 docks with kvm switch?
We'll get back to you about this, thanks for your patience!
There are no TBT docks today with KVM switches.
can a thunderbolt 4 dock work on a laptop with thunderbolt 3?
A Thunderbolt 3 Laptop (going as far back as Intel Gen 9) will work with limited capability on a Thunderbolt 4 dock. Anything before gen 9 laptop will have minimum to no functionality on a Thunderbolt 4 Dock.
Hey man, great video! Interested in reviewing our latest TB4 Dock?😎
We don't necessarily do individual product reviews, but do get in touch if you'd like to collaborate in some way.
Now that I have a current MacBook, I grabbed some USB-C adapters for my USB devices.
I wonder if I'm gonna start seeing thunderbolt devices by 2025. I've already got a native HDMI port.
There are tons of Thunderbolt devices available now. Check out our Amazon store to see all the latest products: www.amazon.com/stores/page/A7E9683D-CE72-4374-8A1B-9693F6C72BA9
I already bought drives for the next 4 years. 3x 10TB for under $700.
@@randalalansmith9883 Oh okay fantastic! We just wanted to let you know that there are so many devices already available. No need to wait until 2025. :)
This applies also to Macs...
Totally!
How do I check port interface that you are showing at 01:36 please?
For any laptop you are shopping for, there will be a technical specifications section that should include ports. Just make sure it has Thunderbolt 4 listed to ensure you are getting the latest in port technology.
So you use that as your power source and connect your iMac 🖥 to it……so do you have to buy cable to connect from iMac to thunder bolt
You need to have a Thunderbolt cable to connect to a Thunderbolt compatible computer to a Thunderbolt device, yes.
@@GetThunderbolt thanks
@@GetThunderbolt the cable ,does it come with thunder bolt package 📦 or do I need to buy one …please can you link me which cable I need to buy please Sir
All Thunderbolt devices (docks, monitors, eGfx, storage, audio, etc.) come with Thunderbolt cables. You can purchase Thunderbolt cables as well, such as the new 2m Thunderbolt 4 cable which is great for extra length.
@@GetThunderbolt thanks
The Lenovo has just 1 thunderbolt port?? (besides the one that goes to the laptop)
The Lenovo Yoga laptop in the video has two Thunderbolt 4 ports.
Can you use usb on this device
Absolutely, Thunderbolt is backwards compatible with older USB technologies!
Thanks
All this talk about laptops... My new build will have no videocard and on the motherboard are one HDMI-port and two Thunderbolt 4 ports. So the only way to connect multiple monitors on my new PC is via the Thunderbolt 4 ports. And if I can daisychain them, I can use the other port to hook a hub to.
Yeah you heard that right. No videocard: the videochip in the 12900k can run 4 x 4000 k screens and I game on my PlayStation and Nintendo.
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can it utilize NVIDIA or AMD GPUs to drive CAD applications?
You can use any GPU with a Thunderbolt enabled eGPU.
@@GetThunderbolt so NO, Thanks!
@@ci.hardware.ic3d The answer as explained above is yes. If you're using an eGPU, you can use any GPU inside that enclosure with Thunderbolt.
@@GetThunderbolt if i don’t want eGPU, it cost extra and extra peripherals to fiddle around. I need a docking that can use the dedicated GPU NVIDIA or AMD on my laptop to drive the monitors. can it do that?
@@ci.hardware.ic3d There are no docking stations that have dedicated graphics. If you mean is there are dock that can utilize your dedicated graphics card for your monitors, then yes. All Thunderbolt 4 docks can run dual 4K monitors, a 5K, a 6K, or even an 8K monitor.
I can understand thunderbolts utility for laptop users.
but for PC users its like The PC is the dock. 1 pcie 5.0 lane has 32gb of band width. so what if your cable has 40gb/s. 16x32gb is way more
PCIE Slots are still better.
For desktop users who want to use external devices like a RAID backup, NAS, DAS, or otherwise, it's still a great option.
I'm a Samsung Odyssey g9 owner that supports DSC display port to 240hz in a Ultra Wide resolution.
I can't find the proper dock that says it support those specs out of the box.
Can you guys point me to the right direction?
@GetThunderbolt
I don't like all the cables! I'm lucky my OS & data m.2 NVMe drives are super fast. For long term data space I have 2 4tb hdd's. So I'm set, just have tower & monitor, no extra cables on my desktop.
It would be nice to have a fast storage external via thunderbolt, but I'll wait till those prices drop. A 4tb NVMe with thunderbolt enclosure is about R6000 / $350. Still too expensive right now.
Thunderbolt helps you get rid of that cable mess! Yes you can always enter our contests we run once every quarter to win a device like an external storage SSD.
I am trying to figure out how to ask these questions since I am new to this technology. Can any of theseThunderbolt 4 docks be used with an imac24 with 8/8/16 core m1 chip Thunderbolt 3 (up to 40Gb/s) USB 4 (up to 40Gb/s) capabilities and connect to the doc a thunderbolt 3 or 4 SSD driver to run as an external drive? I suggest using Sabrent Rocket XTRM-Q 1TB USB 3.2 / Thunderbolt 3 External SSD (SB-XTMQ-1TB). Finally, will the transfer data rates still be hoovering around 40GB/sec despite going from a thunderbolt 4 dick to a thunderbolt 3 machine?
The data rates would be unaffected however, you cannot properly utilize a Thunderbolt 4 dock with a Thunderbolt 3 computer. Thunderbolt 3 cannot support the 4 Thunderbolt ports offered by a Thunderbolt 4 dock and other features offered by Thunderbolt 4. You may get limited capacity, but it's not recommended. You're better off using a Thunderbolt 3 dock with your current setup to achieve what you want.
Why does everyone talk about 4k 60hz? What about 144hz? I'm trying to find a dock that fits my 144hz monitor. Is it possible?
Thunderbolt4 supports DP1.4a, if this monitor is based on DP1.4a too, 144Hz is expected to work. :)
@@GetThunderbolt I have the same question too. So as long as the bandwidth of 4k 60Hz is a match for like 1080p 240Hz, any Thunderbolt 4 should support it?
@@leotsuda Yes, it should be able to handle 1080p at 240Hz, but it's always important to double check the technical specifications of the devices you're using. For example if you are using a dock, that it can support that refresh rate depending on the video protocol used (HDMI, Displayport, etc.).