Class A Diesel Pusher vs Super C. Motorhome Choices.
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- Опубліковано 7 кві 2023
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We bring in a Special Guest, Matt from Matts RV Reviews to detail the differences in SUPER C and Diesel Pusher Class A Motorhome #rvliving #rvlife #motorhome #mattsrvreviews
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Thanks so much for having me ❤😊
Thanks Matt for spending the time with us!!!
@MattsRVReviews is there a difference in each of their abilities to hold value? I’m all about making a financially sound decision. I love the external looks and safety of the Super C, but the comfort and internal looks of the Class A. But if they don’t hold their value - that’s a deal breaker.
This really answered a lot of questions for me. I know this is nine months old, but this was a great great video and you guys should do some more comparisons because this was great.
Thank you and glad it was helpful.Thanks for watching and commenting.
Great comparison points! A couple Super-C advantages are also the ram-air cooling with the radiator up front and the ease of access to the engine for maintenance and repairs. Techs prefer working on the super-c chassis for powertrain work and labor time is often less due to the access of the engine
Agree 100% on those points!! Thank for watching and commenting.
Even a relatively simple engine repair can cost you a lot of money on a Class A with a rear radiator. That rear radiator has to be completely removed before you can access the engine.
Good comments Matt
Lots of great information. Matt really knows his RVs! Matt brought up great points. We had no idea how big the differences are between the two. Thanks for sharing. How nice of him to give you his time.
Definitely different rigs....and yes we were thrilled that Matt agreed to do this video with us.
New to RVs. I'm a peasant compared to you guys as We just purchased a 30ft Class C...lol. I wanted a small class A, but at the moment, we will mostly do weekend trips. A super C or a basic C makes makes sense. If we really get into it, we may eventually get into a class A. We still have kids in school, so...
Thanks for watching and commenting. The important thing is not the rig, but getting out and exploring in a way that they allow us to experience. Your kids will love it....we wish we had done it while our kids were young.
We are on our fifth rig in a 2022 Seneca 37M and it is by far our favorite. The safety, serviceability and having the two extra doors are priceless! Your odds of surviving a head on collision in a class A is 0% At least in a Super C you have a commercial crash tested vehicle including rollover protection to protect you and yer family. There are no safety / crash testing requirements for RV’s like cars and trucks/Commercial trucks. Many Class A’s are beautiful but beautiful doesn’t keep your family safe!
Agree...Super Cs for the safety.
This was a fantastic video! Our choice is Fleetwood Discovery 40E....❤ I agree with Pam, I'd be more confident driving the Super C, but I love the livability in the Class A. ❤
Exactly.....the roominess of the Class A is great...but something about the driving position of a Super C is awesome. Like everything in RVing...it depends on how you travel....move more maybe SuperC...stay put more...maybe Class A.
I'm a 20 year truck/bus driver and red shirt guy is absolutely right. Either one will become normal after some practice. I also agree that super c should feel more stable at speeds that you shouldn't be going anyways. That being said, for a Motorhome I would never consider a super c. Super c started as a backyard project for someone trying to imitate a class a with what he had to work with.
I got spoiled when we had our 2006 Renegade 2400M. Total length was 35.5' and it had the 12.8L Mercedes diesel. Drove it all over the Sierra in California and the Rockies. The only time I had to slow down was for corners. Loved the excess of power.
We do love Super Cs! I had a chance to drive an older Dynamax ( pre FR) and loved it. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Good video, after having a canoe come off the oncoming car roof, narrowly missing slamming into front windshield, and an eagle trying to beat us to road kill, and just missing the front windshield I had enough of our class A big front window in a gas rv. The front gas engine class A's are much less stable to drive than rear pushers or super C's. Besides safety of the super C, the commercial truck chassis is more easily serviced by yourself or on the road in case of problems than class A's and easier to drive than front engine gas A's for sure, bigger pusher's are more stable to drive. I do like the floorplans and use of space in a class A's much better than most any super C's, but we opted for a super C, even though our much cheaper class A had a better floor plan in our opinion. It's all about what's your priorities, mine changed with the front window experiences.
Thats great perspective on the windshield and am 100 with you on that. Just feels safer in A Super C and on point with the maint. I guess one way to look at it is if you dont move very often and Diesel Pusher is more comfortable to spend time sitting but if you move a lot, then Super C is the better driving experience. Thanks for watching and commenting!!
We have a class A Newmar Dutch Star and love it -Wouldn’t have anything else 🎉💯🚌🇺🇸
Dutch Stars are beautiful. Newmar is a fantastic brand. They make a beautiful Super C now as well, the Super Star.
If that guy walked up to me at a dealership, I would have turned right around and ran. LOL!
Haha. But he was gracious enough to spend the time with us to make this video. He did not have to do that since he is super busy. But I get you point.
That was a very good comparison. Found you two with your collaboration with Brazen Brits. We owned a high end 40' diesel pusher for 6 years & loved 'traveling' in it. When we decided to go full time, we chose to change to a high end 45' 5th wheel that we pull with an HDT(Heavy Duty Truck), that is also an RV. Would like to see you check out our world of travel. I think you would find it very interesting. HDT's are not for everyone, but in a class of their own. Safe Travels-Have Fun. Happy to be a new subscriber. BTW-Love to see Matt 'review' HDT's, too.
Well thanks for coming over and watching. We have seen numerous HDT/5th wheel combinations. Very roomy and no issue on the HDTs capacity to haul/stop it. Do you have website/FB'YT links that we could see to check it out? Did you ask Matt to review them...I bet if he could he would!! Thanks for the sub and commenting and safe travels back at ya!!
The one thing you got to consider if you're going to live in it full-time is if it's too big the parts that you want to go into you're not going to be able to do that so you have to get something that's in that happy medium where you can safely get it into a park and you can safely get it out on your own or with a little bit of help from your significant other if you have one
Agreed...RVing is always a compromise. Big and comfortable may limit choices on where to stay. Small and nimble opens up choices but can of kind of cramped. We have not been a park other tan some state /national parks that could not accommodate rigs of these sizes. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Matt and Will are the best in the business, and Matt always explains things is a way the both me and my wife can understand, plus I love the fact the he always gives the MSRP
He was very gracious to allow us to make this video since his channel is 200 times larger than ours.
Great video..As a retired commercial over the road truck driver, I definitely will lean to a Super C.
Makes perfect sense. The truck vs bus aspect just seems so much safer and easier to drive, service etc. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Great video! Plenty of information!
Thanks Guys...was a lot of fun doing this video.
Great video! I love Matt. He was an extra bonus. My wife and I have the Class A diesel pusher. We absolutely love it! I love the storage in the basement and how the driver's area is part of the living space. Especially when we have guests over. We spin the seats around and have two additional recliners. We bought a used high end model and we love it. That saved us a bunch of money.
I think the common theme is is living space Class A wins, drivability Super C has the edge, Safety and maintenance, Super C. Availability of good clean late model, affordable units, Class A for sure.Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@TheRoadSMITHS I definitely agree with you.
You 3 raised some very good points, class A for me for those 3 winter months in Florida and we loved the video!
Thanks. Winter in Florida is good for the soul...and the tan. Haha.
We love our class A Newmar and have a 20,000 lb towing capacity. Best of luck with whatever choice you make because what works for you is all that matters 😊
Thats the exact right perspective. They both have awesome pros and both have some cons...as always its about prioritizing those to your own comfort level.Thanks for watching and commenting!
Matt’s awesome, nice video.
Thanks....he really helped us out with this video.Thanks for watching and commenting.
Another great video! 😊 We are definitely team Super C!
Great video!
Thanks Jonathan!! Matt was super helpful in sharing his time and making this with us.
Good job brother! As usual, great format and editing 👍
Thanks Pierre.....was a lot of fun putting this video together.
@@TheRoadSMITHS if you want a side gig...I'll make you do mine seriously ! Vid chops is not as good !
@@pierrefortin8687 thanks...just doing one channel keeps me busy..haha...but I have thought about it as a side job in the past.
This video was awesome! The wife and i are getting ready to retire, still feels weird to say that but we were talking about getting an RV and you definitely brought up some good questions. Made us think about our priorities and what we really wanted. As well as our budget and being RV rich but money poor and also being part-time or full-time RV'ers and how that factors in. Great content once again and definitely got a new sub.
Welcome! Thank you for joining us as we explore and share adventures! Looking toward retirement is such an exciting yet sometimes uncertain time in our lives! We are happy that we could offer you some insight and bring some answers to you! We will be interested to know what y’all end up with for your travels! We hope to meet you on the road somewhere out there! Thanks again and stay tuned for more videos 😃
Great video guys!!! A lot of gooood solid 411!!!
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Thanks so much! We appreciate you watching and commenting and are glad you enjoyed it!!
Super C actually have metal bumpers and A class or diesel pushers usually have Fiberglass fronts, one bump you need new front end, prob entire front end
Good point!! Also. most Super Cs have split back caps so if you get hit from behind by a smaller vehicle, the whole back cap does not need to be replaced.Thanks for watching and commenting!
Super C's can be serviced at any Dealer (Freightliner for example) where Class A's really have to look for service.
Agreed and one of the major advantages of a Super C!! Thanks for watching and commenting!!
I love a lot this Video , congrats for great performace....My preference will be Super C
We love the Super Cs as well! Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment! We appreciate that! 😊
In the pusher config, your best power train for flat land (east of the Continent Divide) is the DD13 with Allison B500 5 speed. If your travels include the mountain west, opt for the 12 speed Z trans. Both have Jake brakes which are essential in vehicles over 20,000 lb.
What class of Class A do you get Detroit Diesels? I thought most mid class As utilized some form of Cummins engines. I believe some older units used Cat engines. Thanks for the additional perspective.
Looks like a 40M which is an upgraded 38W. You guys are killing me. Love the video!!!
Thanks. I think the 40M is the same floorplan as the 38W in the HR. From what I recall at the Tampa show the Fleetwood Discovery is like the Endeavor, the Discovery LXE is like the HR Armada in terms of features. But that floorplan is our favorite as well. Sorry..we share the same tastes...just don't show the video to Chris..he will get mad at me. Haha.
This was perfect! I am 2 years away from retirement and we plan on full time RV living. I just got back from a road trip from SC to Colorado. I noticed 20 to 1 class A vs Super C. I have a Jeep Wrangler and Ford F250 SD. So enter the 5th wheel. Lots to consider.
Thanks for watching and commenting. 5th wheel is what we have and a good choice as well. Very roomy!!
My wife and I are planning on getting a Super C and besides all of the other reasons I'm a Over The Road Truck Driver. Sticking with the truck but will probably go used instead of new
I think we had have had more people say Super C than Class A. The As interior dollar for dollar I believe are nicer but the drive of a Super C is a considerable. Consideration. Thanks for watching and commenting.
great info we are 3 years full timing in a fifth wheel and starting to window shop or next rig super c s are high on our list but its a hard jump from the living space in our rig my wife made the same comment about being able to drive the super c over a class a
Tough choices. We too became spoiled with the 5th wheel space...but I think like anything...you would make do with the reduced living space. I just think the driving experience would be better..and the longevity of the rig is appealing as well. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Just found your channel watching Our Everyday Getaway and we already love it. Just had to comment and say we are definitely on the Super C team as that’s what we travel in, our choice was we needed the towing capacity for our toys 😊 We also travel with our 2 year old Aussie.
Well thank you for watching and thanks for joining. We love Chris and Katrina!! We have met them twice on the road and have become friends. Don't you just love Aussies.....they are just the best!! Awesome on the Super C ...I love them...which one do you have?
@@TheRoadSMITHS We have the Jayco Seneca 37RB on the newer S2 chassis, love the way it drives, especially after a few suspension upgrades. We’ll be headed from Oregon to Florida for the first time later this year….we can’t wait.
Very nice. A super c might be in our future for sure.
We has a Class A gas before and would never go back after having a Super C!
Great video, could not have had a better host. Full of knowledge. I am into Super C, yes it is a compromise for space. When the time comes for me to get 1 if it is in my path from this great universe, a super C will be checked or a diesel pusher option B, i need some towing for a car and sxs, at the same time…
Thanks. Super C for the win if towing heavy for sure. Yes space is sacrificed a bit but are still roomy with the right mode!
We have been looking at both. Like them both for different reasons. We both drive diesel rigs for a living so a class C would be more comfortable but on the other hand Class A have more room. We are still on the fence but leaning Class A. Just subscribed !
Thanks for watching and subscribing. Thats an interesting perspective since you drive rigs for a living. Class A definitely roomier and what seems a bit nicer decor but Super C for the driving. Very tough choice unless you are towing a lot of weight, then Super C it is.
Great informative video. We would go with a super C but it would need to have opposing slides. We've been spoiled by our 310. It would be really hard to give up the windows in the 310. We would entertain the idea if we hit the lottery, but I guess we need to play it first. Rock on RoadSmiths!
Super C for the Drive, Class A for the space. However, there are a few Super Cs that have opposing slides in the living area. The 37TS from Dynamax (Dx3 and Force HD) as an example, but nonetheless, each Super really loses space in the cab. Some the seats do turn but the threshold into the cab makes it awkward.
But we agree 100%, hard to give up these windows…we are also spoiled with our 310! ❤️ Sure hoping we can meet up sometime soon!! 😊
@@TheRoadSMITHS Lol, yeah by the time we're done with the Super C, it would be the most expensive one on the market.
Nice, thoughtful comparison of both styles. As someone who lives in a park with rigs in their sunset years, I look at the long term and with the diesel pushers incorporating the cockpit (more like a bridge) area with the living space, it seems more practical for full-time until that day it's last trip is at the end of a tow truck. But I still have to laugh at the term "entry level" for a machine you may only be able to afford once in life.
They are definitely pricey. I agree on the Diesel Pusher on the space where the seats turn an become part of the living space. Some Super C seats turn but they are not truly part of the living space since there is a bulkhead. Thanks for watching and commenting.
First time I see Matt drive anything RV until this video
Haha...good point..better him than me since I had never driven one before.Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thank you so so much ❤😊 for comparison of the two RVs. The big shout out to the holding TANK treatment. I don't care how much they are sealed up for SMELLING protection 😢 the RV will still stink if holding tank is not treated. That product eats the bad bacteria and makes the TANKS cleaner and big one less smelly 😊😊 also use TP that is recommended for RVs 😊 it must be designated down. I have been on many a boats with people that don't dump there holding tanks, let them fill, most all camp grounds have a waste dump area, but people don't dump there tanks till full. BOY on those boats it was can't wait to leave, the smell just GAGGED you.😢
You are very welcome! Was a great video to film and produce. I hear you on the Tank hygiene. As we were shopping for RVs we looked at a couple year old Airstream and as soon as we walked in we were like " YUCK". We quickly walked out. Thanks do watching and commenting!!
Having recently moved up to a Nexus Rebel Super C, the biggest driver of Super C vs A is how you.use it. We have friends with a 35 ft A. Their style is staying near major roads and staying for longer periods in improved RV facilities. We like the extra space they have and features like washer and second bath. Our style is camping in snow and rarely staying in the same site for .ultiple days. The smaller, more maneuverable Super C fits us better. We also wanted the 4x4 for winter camping which ruled out class A. If I become a billionaire I will have one of each. LOL.
Agree. The Super Cs built in truck PU truck frames are very versatile. We actually considered a Dymamax Isata 5 and a Renegade Veracruz before we opted for a 5th wheel and 1 ton diesel truck. Those classes still catch our attention when we see them but so do ones built in Freightliner frames. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I'm Team Super C. Great video. Super C's can be really nice, roomy, and very comfortable. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks. Something about the look of a Super C that says "rugged". We actually were down that path bit we needed to start more reasonably to see if we even lied this lifestyle.
Best tip I can give for anyone looking to buy a new motorhome of any kind is to go to the town they are made in(most likely northern indiana) and find a bar most of the motorhome company employees drink at. Walk in get to know the bartender and let him know you want to find people that work there and want to know how they are built. Buy drinks for anyone that will talk to you and tip your bartender well. I have lived in northern Indiana and know a lot of people that work in this business and the stories they tell will blow your mind. After that see if you can take a tour of the factory. Never buy from someone that will not let you see how they build. Also remember class a Motorhomes are not covered with any lemon laws and most are built fast and cheap.
Haha...thats a great idea but not sure I want to know that detail. Its kind of like talking to a surgeon the day before your surgery and they tell you ALL the the thing they have to cut though. Haha. These things are built SO fast, you are so right and yes a factory tour is not only recommended bur required. Did not realize that about the Class As and lemons laws. What about the Super Cs? Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@TheRoadSMITHS Im not sure about class Cs. I'm guessing the cab, motor and frame would be eligible but you would have to check. Think I will go look that up now also. I am looking at youtube videos now to buy a motorhome when I retire soon. That's how I found you Guys. Love your video's and am looking forward to many more.
Love my Thor Inception 38FX with 3 slides. Yeah, I lose some space with Super C cab, but with 20 plus years of managing a body shop, I love the steel in front of me. And I with Matt, easily runs 80 down the road passing tractor trailers.
Agree on the safety aspect of the Super C. i would never run 80 in my truck and 5th wheel but I am sure its easy to do in a Super C. Thanks for watching and commenting!
We have a 2018 Newmar Ventana, but were curious, wondering if we should go to a Super C. We went to a dealer that handles only Renegade, and Newmar Super Cs. So I think we saw the best of the best. We couldn’t see giving up the livability of our class A for one of the Super Cs that we saw. Even thought they were beautiful and awesome rigs, they just aren’t the same. Plus we have really enjoyed some of the best Motor Coach resorts that only allow Class As.
Agreed, livability vs drive ability. Although a Renegade Explorer, Ikon or Classic is very livable indeed.Thanks for watching and commenting!.
Great video 👍. New subscriber
Thanks and glad you joined us. Matt was really helpful in making this happen.
Class As are usually more beautiful, but the Super Cs are beautiful enough AND are more bad ass! Plus the servicability factor is pretty huge. How many horror storues are there where someone has a beautiful class A, but its parked for months because they cant get it into a shop for that long.
I agree on the “bad ass” aspect. RVs are a series of compromises and yes the interior of Class As are nicer but the serviceability and safety aspect of a Super C is a key factor as well. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Always the Class a for me! Spent a lot of years in a truck cab over and I love the feeling of my class A Monaco over those front wheels Thomy T
Thats an interesting perspective...would have thought the opposite with your background....but makes sense. Thanks for watching and commenting!!
Super C for me, but I wish there was more of a blend at a reasonable price of the interior of a class A at a reasonable price. $600k+ ON depreciating Asset
is a lot and once they’re 10 years old a lot of RV places won’t let you in like ORA Palm Springs
Agreed..Super Cs other than the really high end ones, interior is nice as the moderately priced Class A......I had thought and think its happening that used values on Super Cs would go down because pre-owned Super C inventory would grow. During the pandemic it became ridiculous, but seems a bit better now. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Test drive comparison would be nice
Agreed...several dealerships wont let you test drive them until you work out the deal with them and then you can back out of not satisfied. Thanks for watching.
I love both but you get more room and higher end cabinets in a class A, seems like lower end cabinets like a towable in a super C. Safety is for sure super C in the front, all in all for my needs would be a class A. Enjoyed the video, keep up the great work.
Thanks...great points. I think Renegades cabinets are all wood...but for sure Safety in a Super C is advantageous. Really depends on what you intend to tow and how you intend to travel.
It was a 2017 American Revolution 43 ft. with tag axel.
Those are nice rigs though!!
Pusher for sure we love ours. The issue with Super C for us was the lack of air ride front suspension and the fact that you are basically driving a truck and need to exit the side doors walk around to get in the actual RV plus the engine noise of a Super C. The class A DP are very easy to drive, not to worry.
Gotcha on the Class A. I think you can add air ride to the Super C but obviously at a cost. Its funny on the perspectives, some we have talked to like having the extra exits in a Super C. and some don't. I have driven a Super C and yes they are louder than a DP but again, some like that since they hear what is going on in the engine as you drive. Thanks for watching and commenting!!
I would love to drive a Super C. They are just cool looking. For now we love the living space of a 5th wheel but we are not opposed to going with a class A or Super C somewhere down the road.
Me too...something about driving that kind of rig just feels awesome. BUT the space in. Class A seems nicer.
You will be so much happier with a super c and they drive better then a class A. I did the 5th wheel and it suck’s. I bought a Futura Super Sport trailer to pull any one of our cars. Check those trailers out. The entire trailer lowers and the Super C can pull 15000lbs. Trailer is aluminum and can’t even feel it behind the Pasadena 38fx. These camper places won’t admit it but Super C’s drive way better and Freightliner designed this to handle the load with DOT specs. All Class A’s are not tested for crash ratings, they are not tested for load or durability. Freightliner meet and exceed much more rigorous testing, highway standards, frame and structural integrity. Aerodynamics are also tested unlike a square box going down the road. They are cheaper and when you lift the hood you will see the Cummins diesel that is painted and the Allison transmission is the best pair together. I have had both and the dealers always will BS you and upsell you. Class A’s have ultra, ultra expensive crap that goes wrong and 90% of the time you can’t get a replacement cabinet door, or your tile floor gets a crack and want to talk about major money to replace a floor when you can’t find a tile. 60-80k to replace with something with a 8-12 month down time. Class A’s stay in the shop and at least with the Super C most items you can repair yourself. Class A absolutely every repair is going in and the warranty is a nightmare. People don’t keep class A’s long and they will tell you it’s the best day getting rid of it. Oh let me tell you one thing. A 1.5 million dollar coach 1 year later might bring 20-25% of its value as a trade in. Super C is currently holding value better than anything on the market.
I'd like to see Class a and diesel pushers put a real front end with collision 💥 protection, like a frame with a strong bumper. With push in bumper shocks. Save on repair costs and insurance costs.
Definitely the weak part of a Class A. I would like to see Super Cs with cockpit collision airbags as well.
My wife and I decided to rent a 2021 Dynamax isata five series 37ft drove it round trip from Louisiana to west glaciers Montana 5200 miles for 18day trip and we agreed it was too small living area and difficulty getting out of the front seats to go to the bathroom or go to the refrigerator while going down the road. Advantage was it was easier to drive and get into smaller places like west Yellowstone national park roads.
Our decision is to buy a 40 ft Tiffin phaeton diesel pusher class A
I hear you on the Isata 5. We looked at them and are cool but for short trips/stays. What I did not like other than the space was the carry capacity. We considered the 36DS and it was around 1400 lbs. That gets eaten up pretty fast. Thanks for watching and commenting.
It’s a tough choice, because I like both, but I think I would ultimately go with a Newmar Class A.
They are awesome and certainly very highly rated!! Something about a Super C though. Haha.Thanks for watching and commenting.
Super C also come with truck parts, maintenance, and service networks... Which means items designed for 1 million miles of service....and parts and service everywhere there are commercial trucks. Which is to say everywhere. Good luck trying to find a RV service tech out in the sticks...or at any truck stop.
Great points and squarely a benefit of a Super C. Thanks for watching and commenting!!
The 40M LXE is Prime' by far my fave
That is our favorite floor plan by far. Now of course we don’t consider Prevosts or Newells or high end Newmars because of course ya know. Money. Haha. Thanks again.
Great comparison! We looked at both. The difference is staggering. Unless you need to haul a heavy (15k plus) trailer and can't afford a Class A that'll do that, then there is zero reason to go with a Super C. Oh, you'll hear all kinds of reasons, but its the truth. You get a top of the line Super C for an entry to mid level DP price, and people will get all wound up trying to explain why their Super C is better. Usually it's the same people who live in horrible areas and try to explain how much better it is because "they have a bigger property". It's the great debate of the southern California beach campgrounds....where the $1M+ DPs from Newport Beach and the $300k Super C's from the Inland Empire converge :)
Thanks for watching and commenting. I am confused at the pricing statement. Had you considered the Renegade Ikon or Classic or Showhauler etc? These can approach high 6 figure price tags. Like anything else. people choose certain rigs for certain reasons and would agree that DPs seem more comfortable but people will also argue the safety factor and ease of maintenance are attributes of Super Cs.
@@TheRoadSMITHS I think you answered your own question. A top of the line Super C is 6 figures. A top of the line DP is well into the 7 figures. Production coaches are $1.5M+ and the bus conversions are all over $2M+ now. It's crazy. Also regarding the safety aspect, it's a common theory, but the numbers just don't support it. I worked in auto insurance for many, many years and when you compare rates between Super C's and DPs, there is no variance. Zero. I have a few theories on why this is, but that would take us down a rabbit hole. Simply put, actual crash data does not support the claim that "Super C's are safer" - both of these behemoths are incredibly safe. The maintenance is valid point, but that applies more so to the lower end coaches. No one is buying a $600k+ Super C because it's "cheaper to fix" :). They are buying them to tow 20k+ stacker trailers to the track 👍 and a new Newell or Prevost will set you back $2.5M and a 2yr wait!
Agree...
Super C! I love my Renegade XL.
That’s an awesome rig. The highest end we got to see at the Renegade factory tour we did recently was the explorer.Thanks for watching and commenting.
And my preference and it will always be my preference is a super c
Think I am with you..just seems safer.
Another thing to consider is if they should breakdown and need to be towed there are many tow companies who have the ability to tow a semi. My understanding that it’s difficult to tow a class A and few companies will do it.
That’s an excellent point. I have seen some Class A pushers being towed. Not a pretty site. Have not seen a Super C being towed yet. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Great video! Loved seeing Matt in the video. I watch Matt and he is a Super sales guy! I love Super Cs. I thought the diesel was beautiful. Which one dud you like? Out of those two?!
Hope you have a great weekend and great week. See you soon!
Thank you, Sherri! Yes, Matt’s such a great guy!! We do love the Super Cs! Ken would absolutely choose a Renegade if we decided to buy one! I love them, too! Thanks for watching!!
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No problem! I love watching you both! Glad you joined that collaboration for me to join your channel.
We live in a Renegade Valencia. The quality in the build is so good. Real wood. General RV doesn’t sell or provide maintenance of Renegades. Matt is a great sales person but you don’t get Matt in the service area. Thor. Hmmm…
We love the Renegades. We have toured Valencia’s, Veronas, Verona LEs, Explorers and Classics. Love them, just can’t afford them all. 😀
We jumped in from a 5th wheel to a super C. Went with Renegade Classic.
Love Renegade...and the classic is awesome. We just toured the Renegade factory 3 weeks ago. Video including that comes out tomorrow ( Sat).Thanks for watching and commenting.
Id full time in a super C heck ya
We do love Super Cs for lots of reasons!!
Hey guys...just saw your video, yeah i kno...a bit late lol Matt made some pretty good points that allowed for one to actually have to think about the choice...class A or super C...he left out some very important things when it comes to the both of them!! Number one is if it has to be towed by a towing company...most prefer to hook up a super c as opposed to a class a...another very notable difference is shop rate..super c shop rates are typically less then tne class a and then there is the notable difference in that the shop personnel don't have to be trapsing through your rv to repair it as super c repairs are all accessible by not having to enter your rv !! It in my mind is and would always be to let one choose on their own of course...but i am here to tell you many super c models are way more fancy then that basic entry level coach he was passing off as a super c model......nemar, renegade and one other called 1492 and manufactured in oklahoma will show you a much closer offering to that 400k offering he compared to..just saying is all!! Far as i kno 1492 only has one coach offering and a waiting list to get one!! Renegade and Newmar both offer several choices and as with each the price point changes as well..and it goes entry level, mid level and top shelf!! Yes i think it shows which way i lean on this topic and i am not afraid to say my choice is the super c!! Just to let you know..mine has all the creature comforts of home and a dishwasher and french door fridge and a bathroom that rivals the one showed in that class a..just saying :) Happy Camper !!
All really good points. We had an opportunity to your the Renegade Factory last month. Very impressed. Have not heard of 1492. Since it’s Oklahoma I wonder if it’s a spin-off of Newell. Thanks for watching and commenting!!
Point 3 for a Super C….
Serviceability.
Pull into a service point. Let’s use a Freightliner shop. Watch the service techs scatter when they see a class A. Additionally look at the labor rate differences.
All these big boy RV’s come with13/15 liter engines. You WILL visit a truck dealership. Techs are far more familiar and time efficient with a truck configuration.
No doubt, serviceably is a key Super C benefit and a big one if you put big miles on it. Thanks.
Thank you! What about diesel/gas mileage?
I think it all depends on wight and size of the rig, the engine , how much you tow and are you in the mountains or flat land. I think as an average 9-10mpg is about the expectation but I have no real world experience with either of those types. We get about 12 on average with our 1 Ton F350 towing our 14,000lbs+ Fifth Wheel. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Diesel pusher is the way to go so when you do the long stretches of driving, that‘s less stress with the engine noise penetrating into the living area requiring everyone to speak up to hear one another!!
I can definitely see that aspect. They each have their strong benefits.Thanks for watching and commenting.
Most Super C's have a bunk over the cab, if you need the extra sleeping room. Very hard to find this on a Class A.
Yes you are right but seeing more and more as an option on the Class A. The Fleetwood in the Video had one. Look at time mark starting 9:15 and you can see the drop down bed on a chain drive. Thanks for watching.
The maintenance nightmare and lack of front end safety of a Class A pusher turns me off!
Absolutely several of the benefits of a Super C. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I am in the late model used Class A camp.
Definitely more choices in that segment. Harder to find a pre-owned Suoer C
My wife and I drove a class A 43 ft. American coach diesel pusher with tag axel. We thought about renting it for a few weeks to test the lifestyle. It was the 3rd diesel pusher I drove in the past 12- months. It felt like I was driving a bowl of “Jello” Too soft in its handling. I drove 26 ft commercial box trucks in my early 20’s. I am thinking to test drive a super C for this reason (drivability). I cannot imagine driving a 43 Ft diesel pusher in heavy traffic in Atlanta etc. what do some of you long-termers think about my thinking? DP In South Carolina
I have always preferred a firmer ride in cars and have thought the same about DPs, although have never driven or rode in them. I recently drove a Super C ( older one) and it rode pretty firm but not all un-comfortable. There are some pros and cons to each and its just a question of prioritizing those. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Doesn’t matter I couldn’t afford either at those prices.
Definitely not cheap. Of course some sell their home and buy these to live and travel in. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Super C for safety reasons. I do love the class a diesel pushers.
Agree with you. I guess it’s more comfort vs better drivability.
Best way to know which one drives better/easier etc is to go on a test drive! Super c and DP are the same width so it’s all about chassis/suspension. I am sure it’s true with super C’s but there is a significant difference between how DP’s drive at different price points. Even a significant difference between similarly priced coaches from different manufacturers. Test drove a few American tradition/dream’s and Entegra Cornerstones. Didn’t even take 1/2 a mile of driving to realize which one we liked and didn’t like. For me side radiator is also a must on a DP due to better chassis & ease of easy maintenance.
Agreed..unfortunately some of the dealers wont let you test drive a rig until you negotiates a deal on one. Of course you can always back out. Ok have to ask...which drove better? Thanks
@@TheRoadSMITHS we took a Mountain Aire 4118, cornerstone 45D, American coach tradition/dream 42v/42q for test drives. To us the American coaches were by far our least favorite. LOVED how tight they could do a U turn however everything else seemed cheap by comparison. LOTS of wind noise and the entire inside seemed cheap by comparison & I have been a REV/fleetwood/American coach fan for a really long time. Cornerstone was 2nd which was the quietest, the mountains Aire seemed to have the best tuned suspension but more wind noise vs the cornerstone. Not a huge step above the cornerstone but still noticeable. Yes some dealers do not allow you to drive before all the paperwork is done. To me this is pretty stupid thus I simply find another dealership to go through. Not a big fan of camping world but they allow test drives, also NIRVC. Haven’t been to where Matt works so not sure their policy. We have settled on a 23+ cornerstone 45w , just waiting on the price to get in our budget (going to be a while). Love to see Entegra do a cornerstone 600HP k3 sub 40ft tag coach…. With windows that OPEN unlike Newmar’s mountain Aire and above coaches.
@@gary7moore all three of those are awesome coaches. I do like the rev group as well and their Renegades.
I'd like to know what super C's have air bag suspension (if any?). You guys started to touch on the chassis, but didn't really compare the super C's to the class A's. for my $$, I sure feel better about having the engine in front of me for protection--but not if it rides like a rental box truck.
I recently drove a Super C, and it was old (2005) and it drove much better than a U Haul truck for sure. It did not have air suspension in the front, but did have air ride seats.I would believe you could add air suspension to the front though. The M2 chassis are rated for 1,000,000 miles so built to last for sureI Thanks for watching and commenting.
How much change is there in these models? My wife wants to begin this life in (about) 8 to 10 years. Is the battery/ electric format coming in?
Thanks for watching and commenting. Its har to say ho much change there will be but the last 8-10 years we have seen huge changes in technology and interiors. Many have gone form "log cabin dark" feel to a more contemporary interior etc. Som Larger rigs are "all electric" other tan the engine meaning no propane for cooking, heating etc. There is no doubt there will be truly all electric rigs in that timeframe as batter technology increases to provide more power to weight handling ratios. By the time you begin it will be really exciting to see what evolves by then.
Just bought the 24 Pasadena 38fx. You are better off having Freightliner and will get better service then class A. If you get a Class A and you drop off your RV it will take 3 months for a oil change and 1 year for a cabinet door. And they make you leave it and can’t wait for the part to come in vs a semi-truck company that will get you in and out in a hour.
Congrats..I am sure you will love it!! Of course we have no personal experience with either but have heard the same thing.Thanks for watching and commenting.
I prefer the Super C over the diesel pusher class A. My husband is a mechanic. Having the ability to easily work inside the engine bay is a huge plus. The class A has too much space for us, even living full time in it (although the bathrooms on the class A’s are unbelievable). Boondocking is a easier in the Super C and we tend towards that too. We just aren’t class A kind of people. 😆
We do love the bathroom/shower of the Class As. BUT...what you mentioned on the engine maintenance is spot on!. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Tiffin Super C. 👍👍👍
They are nice...just wish they had the same interior options in those as they do the Phaeton. Just a bit too much brown IMO. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I would purchase neither what I would do is get a crew cab medium duty truck with the 16 foot box on the back of it you can use to bring up the water after black tank or some of your choice and has a bumper pull trailer Best of Both Worlds
Every option has its advantages and disadvantages. Not a bad option either. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Matt never covered the question of storage, especially basement storage. Class A pushers have more room, inside and out. Class A's always provide more value, convenience, and luxury. Class As also have a magnificent huge windshield view for sight seeing. No contest.
The storage is a great point to add for sure although some Super Ca have found a way to get pass thru in at least one underneath. On the windshield I have heard 2 points of view on that. 1 better visibility but 2 much more expensive to get fixed if you get a crack. Like anything it’s good to have choices. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Class A all day If we were in the states unfortunately over here in the UK a lot of our roads aren’t suitable for vehicles of that size 😕
Both lovely rigs though 😉
Stay Safe 😜👍
Haha..yes I am sure trying to drive either of these large rigs over there would be a challenge.
We have owned both a Super C and Class A diesel pusher. Our Newmar New Aire is definitely the way to go. 450 hp and 1250 torque eat the mountains up while towing a Jeep Wrangler.
Beautiful Rig!! Awesome power is an awesome thing. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Certainly agree with the Cummins 450/1250, that's the same engine & tune we have in our Dynamax Super C, it eats mountains while towing up to 20k worth of trailer.
I went to a Super C Thor Omni 4x4 because it tows really well (better than Desiel Pusher) in the mtns. It handles better, better brakes, safety features from Ford and it has a proven motor abd transmission combo. The 4x4 is the best part because traction is an issue in adverse conditions in bad weather conditions. Plus the 4x4 allows me to get into places 2 wd motorhomes don't have the traction.
Absolutely spot on. Even the bigger freightliner based Super Cs don't have 4x4. Most of the Super Cs built on F550 to Ram5500 have that as an option.Thanks for watching and commenting.
My wife made the choice easy for me by letting me know she doesn't like to ride in buses, or be a bus driver. I'm now thinking a Jayco Seneca 37k would be our best option, but I'm still doing research and considering other options. I'm pretty well set on something with an S2RV chassis.
I think that is a good though process. In the Super C area there are some great manufacturers. Have you looked at Renegade? Their Valencia is on the S2RV chassis. Thanks for watching and commenting.
You shouldn't let your wife make you both suffer like that.
I bet your wife would choose a Tahoe over a Sienna because she doesn't like minivans too
If I could afford it, it would be a Super C all the way.
They are pricy but from what so understand the do hold their value better than anything other than maybe an airstream. Thanks for watching and commenting.
250K vs 350K really not a contest - Love the Thor Inception 38 as well - But I'm with Matt on the sacrifices to go Super C
It’s good to have these options. 1st world problems I guess. Haha. Thanks for watching and commenting!!
There is one simple answer to your question...
Engine in front of ANY vehicle is best, why ?
Air Flow to keep it running cool. Ever notice the units burning on the side of the road ? Rear engine most every time. Your engine needs air flow
Great Point. I think thats why people prefer side radiators in Class As...not as good as front airflow, but better than rear.Thanks for watching and commenting.
A Super C every time 😎🇺🇸
They are very awesome!
Hey, here one aspect you didn't think of super c have a stigma by class A's in parks a lot of resorts will not allow super c class a snobs . You could have a 1.7 million dollar super c and a guy in a $160k class a tell you no super c.
I seen wreckex super c do buy the safety thing it all fiberglass still.the biggest thing is speed keep it under 63mph as most tires are rated for under 70mph.
Yeah someone else mentioned that. That’s too bad. They should allow them. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Super C for us. 😁
They are awesome rigs!! Thanks for watching and commenting.
The interior of class A's is beautiful but a little too 'upscale' for my taste. I also would not be comfortable maneuvering it around. We plan on boondocking, and the super C would certainly not limit where we could go like a Class A would. Ultimately, I choose our Alliance Paradigm fifth wheel😏
It is interesting how the Class As are upscaling their interiors now.
Toy hauler fifth wheel toy hauler F350 Ford truck with 475 hp 1050 foot pounds of torque!
Can definitely take lots of stuff with you with that setup. I often wonder why they derate the torque on the Super Ava with the 6.7 Cummins to 800 Ft lbs when that engine is capable of over 1000. Thanks for watching and commenting
I would be in Super C Camp for a few reasons over the Class A.
With the Super C on a truck frame and motor, they are know for going a million miles and not a category a Class A can touch.
Towing is also a big win for the Super C, you tow an enclosed trailer with ease and not something you can do with Class A unless you go longer with the twin rear axle.
The Class A gets the win for living space with the extra slides but one thing video did not have was to 2 true comparable RVs, one was a 40' and the other 37' and while the Super C was 3' less it does have inpact to the layouts available. If the Super C was 40' it could have the rear bath or it could have bunks beds as well and washer/dryer and dishwasher.
While i like what a Super C offers, they are limited across the country and can't find any used ones on the market but that could also be a good thing since it shows that those who purchased a Super C aren't willing to trade them in.
I am new to your channel and have enjoyed your content so far.
Thanks for joining Kevin!! You are spot on with your assessment. Perhaps a better comparison on the two rigs shown would be a Newmar Superstar or Renegade Explorer to a Class A as those two are larger Super Cs. Matt and General do not carry those so could not compare them in the video. I agree about trying to find used Super Cs...just not as available. I guess the choice comes down to driving style, towing capacity, maintenance preferences. Pam would prefer a Class A...I prefer a Super C. Until that is settled...we stay in our fifth wheel. Haha. Thanks for watching.
Super c is where we are heading.
They are awesome and a great choice. Thanks for watching and commenting.