Fighting Irish Stance: Old School Strategies & Techniques
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The "fighting Irish" stance was and old school boxing stance used amongst bare-knuckle boxers, before the invention of boxing gloves. It was designed to protect the head and hands, the two vital parts of the competing fighters. Whether you've seen it used in movies like Snatch or Gangs of New York, or just recognize it from the Notre Dame football mascot, it's a symbol of combat sports history, and the evolution of martial arts. So is it effective in MMA with fighters like Conor McGregor, or is it just a way to pay homage? Comment!
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oh shit so in Sherlock holmes when Downey is throwing those palm strikes it's historically accurate who'd a thunk
thats Bartitsu
yes
Robert Downey was using 100% Wing Chun techniques in the Sherlock movies, he's been a practioner for some years and is quite advanced.
I have never heard anything about palms in English boxing except for this video. I feel like the sources Shane used might have been a little dubious (not his fault).
Owlblocks David: Nah, palms were used extensively in British boxing on the mainland and in Ireland. There's some good Irish stuff on it too.
Who thought about the Overly Manly Man after seeing the thumbnail?
Mateusz Olesiński lol, I did
You mean because I was in it, right? :P
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Awesome, sir! Everything old is new again! So many styles of martial arts got watered down and earned bad reputations... but there's no doubt that the true old school guys knew what they were doing. Thanks for sharing your research!
So true. Same thing with music, too!
Glad to know I'm not the only one listening to Gregorian chants!
Pugilism is pretry cool
Shane loves MOUNTING MEN til they give in!!
Is that semen on his chin???
Under the London Prize ring rules there was extensive grappling, particularly throws. Therefore you needed a long guard to keep the opponent out of grappling range....
From what I've seen from Oz Martin, clinching was very prevalent.
All it does is expose your legs. I doubt that is the reason..
SgtGo London prize ring rules forbade any grasping below the belt.
Disciple of Khorne
Oh, okay.
SgtGo That and they didn't lean back like Shane is doing, they stayed fairly upright.
So interesting. I've always wondered why the stance was so unusual. Thank you for doing the research and publishing this👍 a big thumbs up
It works
I'd love to see Fighting Irish in Tekken or some shit! Hell even Mortal Kombay, Street Fighter, or a Martial Arts Flick
RJ Foyles I'm all for that.
Steve Fox
He had a sweep kick but I think everyone has one, as well as one jump kick. No problem man
Also a stomp followed by a hard punch.
+scorpion147able he's just a boxer tho
This is interesting. I had a discussion with someone in my Jeet Kune Do class (and Bruce Lee based a lot of JKD on Western boxing because he recognized how effective its punches were), after he observed me holding my hands farther out. He told me I was doing it wrong and adopted the modern, orthodox boxing stance with elbows tucked in and the hands guarding the face. I pointed out that stance came out of the change to the Marquis of Queensbury rules and it's present-day descendant rules, and the use of gloves. The older stance was used in bare knuckle days, and there was a reason for that. The other person maintained that the modern version is categorically better, as if progress marches invariably and inexorably toward the better. If it's newer, it's more advanced, it's better. Period. That was his assertion. I pointed out that, no, things aren't quite that simple. The modern stance is a product of two key things: the rules of the sport, and the use of big padded boxing gloves that act like shields and thus allow you to defend with your hands closer in. Take the gloves away, and you have less surface area to block with, and your opponents smaller, ungloved hands also more easily slip past your defense. So in the old days, they had to intercept those incoming punches farther out. People usually do things a certain way in response to the conditions that have to face. Change those conditions, and it changes the way they do things. And people a hundred or two hundred years ago were just as smart as people today, and just as capable of figuring out the best way to address a particular challenge. If the stance was different under the old bare knuckle rules, there was a good reason for that. The modern stance is not INHERENTLY better in any categorical sense, it's just better under the conditions the modern sport of boxing is fought under. It all depends on context.
The modern boxing stance also puts the left leg well forward (or right if you're a southpaw), because it allows you to really drive off that back leg and get more power in your punches. And yet when boxers fight kickboxers, the kickboxer kicks the $#!% out that leg because it's such an easy target. I wish I could remember the fight I saw where the boxer was knocking the kickboxer down over and over in the first couple of rounds, because he was a better puncher and the boxing stance lets you punch with great power. But the kickboxer quickly figured out how to stay back out of punching range, and use his kick, with had a longer reach, to pound that forward left leg over and over again. Every time he closed the distance to punch, BAM, he'd take another shot to the left leg. And within another couple of rounds, the boxer could hardly stand up, and went on to lose the fight. Coming from a sport with no kicking, the boxer had no defense whatever against his opponent's kicks. The modern boxing stance is ideal for the modern sport of boxing, and its optimized for the rules and equipment -- and limitations -- of that sport. Change the conditions, and it may no longer be what works best.
Thanks for a thoughtful analysis.
Mate I'm not even gonna try and read that lol
@@Moostafa78 Not my problem.
@@Moostafa78 Are you cognitively impaired?
But now 5 years later when Bare Knuckle Fights get popular again, we can see that they still dont fight like in the old days.
A couple of things I would like to add, depending on what era with what rules, (broughton, Queensbury) grappling was a big part of what was known then as pugilism (ex: cross buttocks), they did punch with their knuckles (vertical fist elbows down), the hand closest to the body was positioned there to protect the "Mark". You mentioned Mendoza, interesting fact he lost a fight due to his long hair. His opponent held him by the hair (legal grappling at that time) and pummeled him. Thanks for your vids.
I say, put em up ol' chap
By George!
Have at you!
Put up your dukes!
Is everyone having a bully day?!
"Put em up put em up put em uuuuup"😂😂
Used this style during a spar, I felt manly as well as victorious!
Could you show all the dirty tricks from back in the day? You used gangs of new York as an example. So, a good example would be fish hooks and ear biting.
Ahh great suggestion!
I remember there being an account way back in Greece or Rome. In a professional fight, some guy "crab clawed" a guy in the stomach (grabbing the space in the middle of his abdomen with his fingers and the area between the abs and obliques with his thumb) and pulled the muscle out of place. The guy's intestines shifted and he had a very painful death. Can't remember if it was ruled cheating or not.
I was just thinking about the fish hook from that movie the other day. Isn't that just a really easy way to get your finger bitten off?
William Price They can't bite your finger off since it's hooked to the inside of their cheek, pulling hard outwards..
Most won't have time to react to your finger entering their mouth either.. But there's always a risk!
i keep picturing moe syzlack and his "stinger" glove, a boxing glove covered in barbed wire :P
why not make a "evolution" video for boxing stance and style for example and show early technique and the logic behind it, then show later and later stances in relation to the original. would be very interesting. would be a good way to deconstruct technique down to the core and enables viewers to understand rather than to mimic. no?
that and also do fighting stances from around the world. more videos like this on fighting stances, please.
Here here!
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Looks almost like a Conor McGregor stance
John White bullshit
+KyokushinAvocado he kinda right
***** just because he's Irish doesn't mean shit....McGregor is switching between the bladed karate stance and the traditional boxing stance with his shoulder up and his other hand down...or something in between
I agree. He doesn't keep the hands in the same position but the way he often stands totally upright and slightly tilted back is like this.
It is actually very similar version of this
well that is why Asian traditional Martial Arts concentrate a lot on conditioning the hand and knuckles. Well conditioned hands can be surprisingly resilient.
Every punching martial art conditions your hands whether you intend it or not, mythical techniques like punching rocks and other equally unsafe stuff for conditioning won't make you less prone to injury, and it can actually have the opposite effect (making you more prone to injury). I believe shane actually has a video mythbusting that notion that "the harder the conditioning, the better".
Yeah you can condition your hands and various practitioners of Asian Martial Arts do it sensibly.
However people all over the world like to jump into that by doing things like punching concrete walls which really just fucks up your hand.
Hell,when you start off,even using big boxing gloves is tough on your hands when you're punching the bag,let alone anything else.
Conditioning is great,and if you ever intend to use fists in a 'real life fight' you should do it.
Just be aware that you have to do it very carefully and at a slow pace(in terms of years) to do it without fucking up your hands and being sure you do it right(plus it takes slightly different eating habits than otherwise).
melchaios well not if you wrap your hands. The skin stays soft and wrists are weak when fighting bare knuckle.
Modern western sports fighting don't do any wrist strengthening exercises and that is a fact.
I guess today almost every boxing coach will tell you to start everything with the jab. You just don't hit with full force recklessly. Sport apllication aside, you'd better hit hard using only the elbow, instead of the fist.
***** Actually the fact is it does strenghten your wrist and hand. Even with all the padding, repeated trauma will create the bone remodeling that implies the conditioning you talk about. Could you condition your hands beyond that? well that is not so easy to answer. "Extra" conditioning while it could make your hands a little bit stronger (not that much though) in theory, it could very well as easily be detrimental. The fact is that the microfracture mechanism behind knuckle conditioning must not be abused, certain degree of microfractures with calcium deposition is OK and does have benefits, however if you start to abuse it then it has the opposite effect, making your bones a mess of microfracture callusses that actually make the structure weaker. Not only that, but when you get older you'll start suffering from artrhitis, which depending on the severity could be incapacitating.
The notion that only asian self defence oriented martial arts condition their hands correctly is a myth, there aren't any real studies comparing different fighters from different disciplines bone density to support that claim. And from a medical and sports medicine point of view, hand conditioning by punching bags with proper protection is the way to go, everything else is overkill and could be hazzardous
Great to see the old style of fighting reemerge.
This lost style has always been very interesting to me.
Please post more information on these great moves in the future.
Also some info on the teachings of Carl Cestari and his teachings would be
very informative . Great subject , Thanks
My uncle was a boxer in federal prison. He used a similar style but not exactly this. His footwork was good and he would block with his forearms in a sweeping motion and counter with amazing speed and accuracy. He was undefeated in prison and on the streets and I witnessed him use his hands in many of fights over the years as He lived in my house growing up and he and my dad rolled with a rough crowd of bikers and convicts. He was a short guy but extremely muscular and well conditioned from over ten years of bodybuilding and prison life. He was fearless, smart, had absolutely zero tolerance and would kick someone’s ass for disrespecting woman, children or the elderly. If someone were to come at him I was never worried, I just thought I myself “ oh shit, this guy has no idea what’s coming “ hahahhaha the good ol’ days. I miss him!
I miss him to.
Cool
None of this happened
@@sugmasigmahow the fuck you know?
i wonder if sherlock holmes was the first one to change the stance like on that movie with robert downey junior
Frost Freerunning I was thinking the same thing, had a lot of wing Chun in it
I did a bit of Wing Chun once and instructor said to imagine hands like an old school boxers stance
Yeah, but afaik that comes from the fact that RDJ does Wing Chun himself. I think I saw it in an interview once.
the british were big time boxers back in the day and probably brought some wing chun back from Hong Kong in 1700ds
Frost Freerunning sup, the Robert junior fight, he uses Wing Chun Kung fu, u can search on the Internet. And Robert is a wing Chun practitioner for real. Wing Chun is the first martial art of Bruce lee
Don't forget when the early champion James "deaf" Burke taught his system that a large part came from fencing. The lead arm can also parry incoming blows similar to a sword. When you read accounts about the bare knuckle bouts broken arms were very common. When you pull your arms in to cover up its effective against a gloves large surface area. Against the small, hard area of a fist or palm you risk breaking the forearm. Elbow braced against the body and the fist braced against the head the only give was the forearm. Great channel thanks for all the excellent info
We have the exact same hand guard in choy LI fut. Even the kwa(swinging backfist) is the same.
original bareknuckle stance and punching technique in general is very simmilar to traditional asian styles.
Many of these strategies & techniques are also used in Mantis, Hung Gar, Shaolin GongFu & Wing Chun. Thanks for the video, really enjoyed it.
I bet you're an Avatar - Last Airbender fan
In London Prize rules boxing wrestling was allowed. However nothing on the ground was allowed. Everything had to be done from your feet. So throws, kicks, headlocks and even holds were allowed.
Grabbing below the waist too, right?
Jg3000 aa
Shane, I love your vids. I'm a boxer myself and I can honestly say that your techniques have further improved mine and my overall fighting knowledge. I always recommend your videos when showing people the basics. best of luck in your business and always good vibes
Your videos are very very helpful. I'm an amateur kickboxer and your info on certain workouts and Health tips are extremely helpful. Thank you for these uploads
You don't deserve "dislikes". Love your work Shane. May God bless you.
Ah thanks so much :) But no one is ever universally liked, and that's okay!
Always stay strong and positive though! :)
***** Shoukran (thanks) alot Akhi (brother) for taking time and replying, that just showed how nice person you are.
Love from Middle East.
they fight like that because they are drunk
English prizefighter professionals were all drunk?
Owlblocks David Yes
Owlblocks David it's possible. BAS used to fight drunk
Owlblocks David if they were irish they were drunk :p
Luke Petersen
Great Vid! I'll occasionally explain this to my 4th and 5th grade students why the old stance mattered so much in the past. Broken hands/fingers were a serious deal when you made a living working with your hands. Keep up the fine work!
Heck yeah it works! After years of instructing martial arts, this is where it’s at! Palm strikes penetrate muck more than punching. The beauty of this style involves safety first. It’s definitely geared towards street fighting. Nice! Thanks for sharing!
First and Irish
;)
"Grappling was not allowed"....
Do you know about bare knuckle boxing history? Much of bare knuckle boxing back in the day allowed for takedowns, stomping or kicking the opponent who was on the ground, sometimes they got involved in certain holds after the takedown, shin-kicking or "purring" as they called it was allowed. Bare knuckle boxing in the West isn't quite what we think of these days. Eventually rules started changing such as gloves, no takedowns below to the waist to no takedowns at all, and many more changes in which at a certain point became boxing as we know it. All of that was perfectly legal not even 200 years.
I think the rules started getting made after the first fatality.
The first fatality happened long before the rules came into play. It has more to do with champions.
Grappling was mostly banned because it was boring. You allow for a full range of techniques, and fights either last seconds or hours. The crowds naturally gravitated to promotions that introduced rules encouraging interesting, competitive fights.
Correct.....this guy is talking rubbish!!!
I love videos like this. As a life long student of Muay Thai, it's always great to see where things started. A lot like firearms, when we look at the origin of things, we can see and understand why we do things they way they are today. Great vid brother.
This was actually really fascinating information. You are the first who i have seen to cover this topic. Keep doing what you are doing!
I want more of this, Shane. This is great stuff!!
Ah great to hear, will do!
hey man I really like this stanza could you do more video's of this stanza
I know this is a bit old, but I think you need to make an update to this. Grappling was heavily incorporated in classical pugilism-- as was hair pulling, kicking, and even more brutal tactics, some of which you mentioned. Vertical fists and knuckles were the primary means by which blows were scored. In addition to throwing traditional overhands, straights, and Jabs (straight lefts or lead offs in this day, thrown with power and knockdown/out intent), they also threw Casting hooks and Choppers which were forms of backfists essentially. Sure, they were mindful of breaking their hands on the forehead, but this did not change the means by which blows were generally delivered. What source material states they struck primarily with palms?
Fascinating stuff I did wonder how boxing evolved from the old days but never thought I would know. Shows how much passion you have for martial arts to study a form this old 🙂
Thank you so much for doing this video! I love the historical stances and still use it for defense from a distance. The stance is a lot like fencing, which I did in high school, so it was really easy and familiar for me when I started boxing.
Hip throws were very much part of the sport and when the Irish Champ Dan Jack Langan took on Tom Spring at Worcester in 1824 the reports from the time credit Langans better grappling with keeping him in the fight until eventually succumbing to the precise striking of his taller opponent .
If you get a chance, check out the book,"King of the Gypsies", by Bartley Gorman and Peter Walsh. A biography which reaches into the history of turn of the century Irish and English bareknuckle boxing.
Nice job looking comfortable throwing those attacks as well! They should get you on a movie set.
I'm going to look for this- thanks!
Really clear and respectful explanation of something I've wondered about for decades.
Great video Shane keep it em coming! This is the best channel on UA-cam
I love it, love the different styles and way of thinking
Thanks man!
Hey Shane which martial art did you start off with? Sorry if you've already answered this question
i believed he started taekwondo when he was 9
Triggering Seb I'm pretty sure it was tee Kwan do.
You guys know me too well, haha. Yep, at 9 I started Taekwondo. 15 I started Muay Thai. And at 20 I started Boxing.
+fightTIPS SHANE REPLIED!!
somemysteriousguy Shane always replies
Shane, for someone who didn't know much about this stance, you looked like a pro demonstrating it!
I dont know if it works or not but you did a great job with the vintage face impresion. Recently subbed and taking it one video at a time, so much useful info!! Thanks for such generosity!
Shane, please make a video on traditional karate stance.
Which one? Neko Ashi Dachi? Sanchin Dachi? Kiba Dachi?
Karate stances are not actually fighting guard stances but weight translation movements for grappling, joint manipulation, throwing, striking and more. The traditional fighting stance was called "meotode" (lit. "husband and wife hands") and is something in the middle between regular boxing guard and the video old style guard. It is not well understood in today karate and it is performed with both open hands or closed fists.
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@@varanid9 just kamai
Watch Hard Times with Charles Bronson and James Coburn..😎
I clicked on this thinking it would be a total riff on old school boxing and was pleasantly surprised to see the subject given it's due respect. Thumb up!
wow, this is really illuminating. For a bareknuckle approach this makes a ton of sense.
This is actually so cool! I'd love to see a proper old time tough guy fight a modern MMA guy
Planning on transferring into MMA for that reason
But it also depends on the rules under which the fight is done, because in those days, in many fights you could kick the balls, grab your opponent's hair to hit him, headbutt, bite, attack the eyes, etc. A fighter of old bare knuckle boxing under the rules of modern MMA would be very limited.
PUT 'EM UP!
Fernandez3995 Yeah!
as a proud irish man i approve of this video kep up the amazing work shane
This was very cool! I've often wondered how that stance could actually be incorporated but it makes a lot more sense when you see that it was palm strikes etc. that were primarily used. Nice bit of history there too!
I love this style, thanks for making this video shane, I do think this style would work in a street fight if you learn it and it's more of a defensive power style so it's perfect for people that are not very fast, shane can you make a video on trying to beat an opponent that's really good at boxing footwork and one on using a over hand right and a left hook in a combo like in that movie southpaw that guy uses a over hand right and a left hook one right after the other and I wanted to know the pros and cons of using those punches like that thanks again bro
it was a pretty brutal and effective fighting style, with its most violent iteration being a variation called "rough and tumble boxing". it was a very vicious version that placed emphasis on gouging eyes and disfiguring your opponent as much as you could, they even used bites and fishhooks to rip parts of the face
It may actually be better for street fights than modern boxing. All techniques on modern boxing are based on you wearing gloves, tight blocking and shoulder rolling may not be that good of an idea in a bare knuckle situation.
"Fishhooked by a sprat..."
Excellent vid and cool info. Thanks for sharing, Shane!
hell yeah man i love the way the palm heels are thrown. really driving it in there. it can make for more compact strikes as well. i like how you can push with the palm heel, versus plain old impact. great for creating space. throw it right at his chest/shoulder if they're too far in like a one inch punch.
Is this a private fight or can anyone join in - old Irish proverb.
That gate block is similar to bong sau or man sau in wing chun
Does Muay Thai use it too with the framing long guard/figure four guard? Or is that different?
dankgankmon the long guard is the same as a man sau but man sau is mainly used against the neck of the opponent when used as a frame
I was thinking similar
long guard is not a block for a specific strike it is to keep yourself at distance when throwing elbows
The only real difference is the bend in the elbow opposed to straight arm for Muay Thai
Really interesting video , find it real cool how they used to fight back in the day and how it's changed , thanks bro
Really interesting as always, thank you Shane !
Ah, a more gentlemanly approach to combat. World could do with more of that!
:D
fightTIPS .... Nate Diaz does it 2 funny ha 😐
Lol 😂😂
Charles Bronson skilled at this brawling style(Hard Times). 🙋
Hard Times! Great movie
A classic🎥
The bald opponent “hey you’re pretty good” (blocks with the top of his head)
I have to say,Shane,you are very informative and awesome.
Wow man, always thought this style was just a joke. It's great that you've brought a video out about it, nice job!
, County Laios Ireland
Do something about it I’m from laois
Conor McGregor stands like that with open palms when he hasn't got his hands down
I think his is for different reasons and is just different though. He does that to gauge the range, and because he likes to use leg kicks.
He does it because he's Irish and wants to pay homage to his culture. Also because he thinks it looks cool. It's more sentimental than functional in his case.
@@ThaBurnnahKidd not because he looks cool , but it's been proving to be an affective stance
It got told to me that long ago more body shots were used to save the knuckles. Loved the video. I didn't know much of what you told us. It makes sense.
I genuinely appreciate how short and informative the video is but i just cant stop chuckling at 0:28, it looks like an Adonis bar audition submission
wow I like this, the irish r smart
What about a Pankratrist's stance?
Very similar, yes! Also similar to how Royce Gracie fought back in the early UFC's
Awesome History lesson! It was cool to wake up to this and learn something I thought was just old fashioned styling was just practical street fighting.
Thanks!! Always wondered about that!!
Looks like wing Chun.
thought that too
PREM SADIA
More like Bartitsu
Was also think the same
way more similarities than we like to pretend
yeah but this defense seems a little bit more open and effective. However I think wing chun punches might be more explosive and effective.
Why? Because we're hard as fuck, that's why
lmao
Captain Ireland4 It's called the fighting Irish stance, but it was actually made in England.
fantastic. this answers a lot, Thank you.
it'd integrate well with shedding/nervous system overload.
Vary Old style of fighting. .. kind of cool and beautiful once understood. .. thank you for teaching. .. Peace and God Bless
By watching this video I kinda think you look part Irish
Shane do you have any Irish I you? Apart from your name being Irish?
well if his names irish then yes probably. also, Philadelphia
I always thought he seemed a bit Irish.
Andrei Ciobirca I'm Irish and have never heard the name fazen till this guy
Andrei Ciobirca yh he spoke about it in one of recent vidoes
i think he meant the name "shane" being irish. "fazen" is austrian.
First video I watch of you. Instant sub'! Good content, mate! Thanks. 😎💪
I really hope u continue the series
What'd you read to figure all of this out?
There are some historical sources. English Martial Arts is a channel that has a slightly different interpretation of classical pugilism; I think it might have listed sources for reading.
The channel also often enough links towards a web page where you can join a course(in a way similar to Shane's fight gym) and see various instructional videos,read books etc.
But even without paying for that you can follow the youtube channel and learn+there are some books on this(also mentioned on that channel).
Oz(the creator of said channel) also often enough posts in a facebook group about it all too. :)
Check out 'UK HEMA - Historical European Martial Arts in the United Kingdom' for that.
So let me guess this straight, you are telling me that guy ask for money to show you what should be historical and cultural patrimony? He is asking people to pay him for teaching them something he learned over PUBLIC historical manuals? That could not be right... or is he teaching HIS way of understanding? In both ways is deplorable.
He's asking for money so he can continue teaching.
It's not vast sums spent on luxury and personal pleasures,as far as I'm aware it's used to buy other manuals(I agree they should just be publically available but often times are not and you have to buy/rent the rights to use them).
He also spends that money on the space in which he teaches and the equipment he and his students use.
Why's that unfair of him?He wouldn't be able to teach people otherwise.He's not going to create money out of thin air that he can use for the space,equipment etc. (and within the capitalist system you do need that,sadly that's how things are).
Luken Crowheart so is it also deplorable for my accountant to charge me for doing my taxes? That whole process is publicly available information.. If both parties willingly enter into a mutual exchange (as in the consumer receives an expected product or service as advertised and the seller gets compensated as advertised) then how can this also be deplorable?
idk where you got your info from about not using knuckles but your dead wrong
He's actually right. If you're throwing punches at the face, you have to remember that there are bones in the skull. Bone on bone contact? Good game your fingers.
If you're going ungloved, using your palms is much safer. Don't believe me? make a fist and throw a light uppercut on your chin. Feel the sharpness of that chin bone against your fingers and tell me all your fingers would be alright when throwing a full force uppercut. Same with the cheek bone and jaw.
You obviously havent seen modern day bare knuckle boxing
Robert - you are absolutely right.They did of course use knuckles - almost exclusively. Did they break their hands - yes - all the time.This has been noted over and over in old books and is a key reason for the invention f gloves and the formulation of Queensbury rules.More bro science on the internet folks.
*you're dead wrong.....
That's why pugilists threw a lot of straight punches with a vertical fist. Better structure. And probably why the solar plexus region ("the mark") was a preferred location if possible.
This is pretty cool. I like the channel. Keep up the boxing info bro
Thanks brother , I love your videos.
Shane why are you making a video about something you clearly don´t know anything about?
1. The main target WAS the body because of the bare fists. Especially the "mark" which is the solar plexus. This explains the position of the rear hand/arm which protects the "mark".
2. They did strike with the knuckles. They landed the shots with the three lower knuckles in a diagonal/vertical manner. Every old boxing manual from the bare knuckle boxing era teaches this.
3. Grappling WAS allowed. Depending on the area different techniques were allowed but in general wrestling was a huge part of pugilism. Which this stance is also a result of.
Bro, shane has more knowledge and experience than you stop tryna act like u know what ur talking about. stfu
@Zachary Desroches this guy's actually correct
I always thought the stance looked silly but now I see the importance of it Very interesting thanks for the info.
thanks, Shane I'm gonna do a bit more research into this
love your videos !!
Oh thanks you changed my life after learned this with you, my mom never complained again of me not going to school
My grand dad taught me to fight in that stance when I boxed and it was fantastic as a way to throw your opponent off guard by switching from normal boxing stance to this stance more so when your someone like me who is not the fastest man on his feet or with his hands but hits like a train getting your opponent to over extend when they trying to figure out how they can actually bop you in the head is fantastic to give them a resounding hook in return
Props for the Philly Shell reference, it's how I know your for real with boxing and not just a MMA. Subbed for that right there. I've been messing with using a Tae Kwon Do back-stance (I'm a converted southpaw, all power up front) and with a Philly Shell gaurd. But only from home as I've not trained in a while due to a string of injuries. Had some no-contact sparring with a friend and former regional boxing champ, so no kicks, just out in the street, possibly after a few too many, sparring. But I found with the lateral shoulders the left hand is hidden behind the chin and harder to see coming, I woulda had him with the 1st 2 shots, both straight lefts, quite McGregor'esque.
i always thought it looked so weird, good break down of what they were trying to do. makes so much more sense now:)
Awesome. Often wondered. Thanks for sharing.
Really enjoying your channel.
Love this style history thing, you should make it a running series!
The old school look always caught my attention. Good informative vid. Thank you, thumbs up.
Fascinating! Makes alot of sense considering the lack of gloves.
Subbed. Thanks and keep up the good work!
Nice review. I subbed. Most don’t even know the names of the legends legends so I appreciate it.
Fascinating stuff. Thanks.