Fighting Irish Stance: Old School Strategies & Techniques

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  • Опубліковано 13 жов 2016
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    The "fighting Irish" stance was and old school boxing stance used amongst bare-knuckle boxers, before the invention of boxing gloves. It was designed to protect the head and hands, the two vital parts of the competing fighters. Whether you've seen it used in movies like Snatch or Gangs of New York, or just recognize it from the Notre Dame football mascot, it's a symbol of combat sports history, and the evolution of martial arts. So is it effective in MMA with fighters like Conor McGregor, or is it just a way to pay homage? Comment!
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  • @reignorshine.
    @reignorshine. 7 років тому +985

    oh shit so in Sherlock holmes when Downey is throwing those palm strikes it's historically accurate who'd a thunk

    • @jeff1204abc
      @jeff1204abc 7 років тому +36

      thats Bartitsu

    • @laskey84
      @laskey84 7 років тому +6

      yes

    • @tombstonejackson
      @tombstonejackson 7 років тому +49

      Robert Downey was using 100% Wing Chun techniques in the Sherlock movies, he's been a practioner for some years and is quite advanced.

    • @owlblocksdavid4955
      @owlblocksdavid4955 7 років тому +7

      I have never heard anything about palms in English boxing except for this video. I feel like the sources Shane used might have been a little dubious (not his fault).

    • @TheTaterTotP80
      @TheTaterTotP80 7 років тому +18

      Owlblocks David: Nah, palms were used extensively in British boxing on the mainland and in Ireland. There's some good Irish stuff on it too.

  • @mateuszolesinski6169
    @mateuszolesinski6169 7 років тому +1484

    Who thought about the Overly Manly Man after seeing the thumbnail?

    • @dmalo1999
      @dmalo1999 7 років тому +2

      Mateusz Olesiński lol, I did

    • @fighttips
      @fighttips  7 років тому +129

      You mean because I was in it, right? :P

    • @jamie91995
      @jamie91995 7 років тому +3

      fightTIPS can you do fight like Coban lookchaomaesaitong or enriko Kehl

    • @haroldodomingo9119
      @haroldodomingo9119 7 років тому

      fightTIPS ahh shane i c u

    • @dmalo1999
      @dmalo1999 7 років тому +2

      fightTIPS Beautiful comeback!!!👌🏼

  • @AndoMierzwa
    @AndoMierzwa 7 років тому +578

    Awesome, sir! Everything old is new again! So many styles of martial arts got watered down and earned bad reputations... but there's no doubt that the true old school guys knew what they were doing. Thanks for sharing your research!

    • @fighttips
      @fighttips  7 років тому +79

      So true. Same thing with music, too!

    • @AndoMierzwa
      @AndoMierzwa 7 років тому +45

      Glad to know I'm not the only one listening to Gregorian chants!

    • @schleybailey
      @schleybailey 6 років тому +6

      Pugilism is pretry cool

    • @chriso1585
      @chriso1585 6 років тому +2

      Shane loves MOUNTING MEN til they give in!!

    • @dewimcdews2935
      @dewimcdews2935 6 років тому +3

      Is that semen on his chin???

  • @DaveCollins123
    @DaveCollins123 7 років тому +358

    Under the London Prize ring rules there was extensive grappling, particularly throws. Therefore you needed a long guard to keep the opponent out of grappling range....

    • @owlblocksdavid4955
      @owlblocksdavid4955 7 років тому +15

      From what I've seen from Oz Martin, clinching was very prevalent.

    • @MrQwerty2524
      @MrQwerty2524 7 років тому

      All it does is expose your legs. I doubt that is the reason..

    • @discipleofkhorne9472
      @discipleofkhorne9472 7 років тому +10

      SgtGo London prize ring rules forbade any grasping below the belt.

    • @MrQwerty2524
      @MrQwerty2524 7 років тому +1

      Disciple of Khorne
      Oh, okay.

    • @discipleofkhorne9472
      @discipleofkhorne9472 7 років тому +5

      SgtGo That and they didn't lean back like Shane is doing, they stayed fairly upright.

  • @HeySkipper
    @HeySkipper 7 років тому +118

    So interesting. I've always wondered why the stance was so unusual. Thank you for doing the research and publishing this👍 a big thumbs up

  • @NotAGrabbaghoul
    @NotAGrabbaghoul 7 років тому +363

    I'd love to see Fighting Irish in Tekken or some shit! Hell even Mortal Kombay, Street Fighter, or a Martial Arts Flick

    • @redwolfe7049
      @redwolfe7049 7 років тому +2

      RJ Foyles I'm all for that.

    • @scorpion147able
      @scorpion147able 7 років тому +6

      Steve Fox

    • @scorpion147able
      @scorpion147able 7 років тому

      He had a sweep kick but I think everyone has one, as well as one jump kick. No problem man

    • @NightmirrorXx
      @NightmirrorXx 7 років тому

      Also a stomp followed by a hard punch.

    • @ciaranscully771
      @ciaranscully771 7 років тому

      +scorpion147able he's just a boxer tho

  • @Hibernicus1968
    @Hibernicus1968 7 років тому +64

    This is interesting. I had a discussion with someone in my Jeet Kune Do class (and Bruce Lee based a lot of JKD on Western boxing because he recognized how effective its punches were), after he observed me holding my hands farther out. He told me I was doing it wrong and adopted the modern, orthodox boxing stance with elbows tucked in and the hands guarding the face. I pointed out that stance came out of the change to the Marquis of Queensbury rules and it's present-day descendant rules, and the use of gloves. The older stance was used in bare knuckle days, and there was a reason for that. The other person maintained that the modern version is categorically better, as if progress marches invariably and inexorably toward the better. If it's newer, it's more advanced, it's better. Period. That was his assertion. I pointed out that, no, things aren't quite that simple. The modern stance is a product of two key things: the rules of the sport, and the use of big padded boxing gloves that act like shields and thus allow you to defend with your hands closer in. Take the gloves away, and you have less surface area to block with, and your opponents smaller, ungloved hands also more easily slip past your defense. So in the old days, they had to intercept those incoming punches farther out. People usually do things a certain way in response to the conditions that have to face. Change those conditions, and it changes the way they do things. And people a hundred or two hundred years ago were just as smart as people today, and just as capable of figuring out the best way to address a particular challenge. If the stance was different under the old bare knuckle rules, there was a good reason for that. The modern stance is not INHERENTLY better in any categorical sense, it's just better under the conditions the modern sport of boxing is fought under. It all depends on context.
    The modern boxing stance also puts the left leg well forward (or right if you're a southpaw), because it allows you to really drive off that back leg and get more power in your punches. And yet when boxers fight kickboxers, the kickboxer kicks the $#!% out that leg because it's such an easy target. I wish I could remember the fight I saw where the boxer was knocking the kickboxer down over and over in the first couple of rounds, because he was a better puncher and the boxing stance lets you punch with great power. But the kickboxer quickly figured out how to stay back out of punching range, and use his kick, with had a longer reach, to pound that forward left leg over and over again. Every time he closed the distance to punch, BAM, he'd take another shot to the left leg. And within another couple of rounds, the boxer could hardly stand up, and went on to lose the fight. Coming from a sport with no kicking, the boxer had no defense whatever against his opponent's kicks. The modern boxing stance is ideal for the modern sport of boxing, and its optimized for the rules and equipment -- and limitations -- of that sport. Change the conditions, and it may no longer be what works best.

    • @slaughterhouse5585
      @slaughterhouse5585 2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for a thoughtful analysis.

    • @Moostafa78
      @Moostafa78 Рік тому

      Mate I'm not even gonna try and read that lol

    • @Hibernicus1968
      @Hibernicus1968 Рік тому +4

      @@Moostafa78 Not my problem.

    • @bear5945
      @bear5945 Рік тому

      @@Moostafa78 Are you cognitively impaired?

    • @Gieszkanne
      @Gieszkanne Рік тому +2

      But now 5 years later when Bare Knuckle Fights get popular again, we can see that they still dont fight like in the old days.

  • @fortitudinemethonorem4088
    @fortitudinemethonorem4088 7 років тому +41

    A couple of things I would like to add, depending on what era with what rules, (broughton, Queensbury) grappling was a big part of what was known then as pugilism (ex: cross buttocks), they did punch with their knuckles (vertical fist elbows down), the hand closest to the body was positioned there to protect the "Mark". You mentioned Mendoza, interesting fact he lost a fight due to his long hair. His opponent held him by the hair (legal grappling at that time) and pummeled him. Thanks for your vids.

  • @pcgaming4944
    @pcgaming4944 7 років тому +334

    I say, put em up ol' chap

  • @kangobango2115
    @kangobango2115 5 років тому +40

    Used this style during a spar, I felt manly as well as victorious!

  • @robertroberts3669
    @robertroberts3669 7 років тому +269

    Could you show all the dirty tricks from back in the day? You used gangs of new York as an example. So, a good example would be fish hooks and ear biting.

    • @fighttips
      @fighttips  7 років тому +68

      Ahh great suggestion!

    • @CaptainJacksIsland
      @CaptainJacksIsland 7 років тому +38

      I remember there being an account way back in Greece or Rome. In a professional fight, some guy "crab clawed" a guy in the stomach (grabbing the space in the middle of his abdomen with his fingers and the area between the abs and obliques with his thumb) and pulled the muscle out of place. The guy's intestines shifted and he had a very painful death. Can't remember if it was ruled cheating or not.

    • @williamprice5079
      @williamprice5079 7 років тому +3

      I was just thinking about the fish hook from that movie the other day. Isn't that just a really easy way to get your finger bitten off?

    • @Faileduserattempt
      @Faileduserattempt 7 років тому +8

      William Price They can't bite your finger off since it's hooked to the inside of their cheek, pulling hard outwards..
      Most won't have time to react to your finger entering their mouth either.. But there's always a risk!

    • @arthas640
      @arthas640 6 років тому +10

      i keep picturing moe syzlack and his "stinger" glove, a boxing glove covered in barbed wire :P

  • @COhD4
    @COhD4 7 років тому +80

    why not make a "evolution" video for boxing stance and style for example and show early technique and the logic behind it, then show later and later stances in relation to the original. would be very interesting. would be a good way to deconstruct technique down to the core and enables viewers to understand rather than to mimic. no?

    • @KittyBoom360
      @KittyBoom360 7 років тому +4

      that and also do fighting stances from around the world. more videos like this on fighting stances, please.

    • @Viper-sn5cx
      @Viper-sn5cx 5 років тому +1

      Here here!

  • @thelastcarnival
    @thelastcarnival 7 років тому +230

    Tried it. Doesn't work. Surgery's next Tuesday.

  • @Jong23
    @Jong23 7 років тому +747

    Looks almost like a Conor McGregor stance

    • @kyokushinavocadosoup3595
      @kyokushinavocadosoup3595 7 років тому +36

      John White bullshit

    • @awsome7user
      @awsome7user 7 років тому +75

      +KyokushinAvocado he kinda right

    • @kyokushinavocadosoup3595
      @kyokushinavocadosoup3595 7 років тому +56

      ***** just because he's Irish doesn't mean shit....McGregor is switching between the bladed karate stance and the traditional boxing stance with his shoulder up and his other hand down...or something in between

    • @kaguth
      @kaguth 7 років тому +41

      I agree. He doesn't keep the hands in the same position but the way he often stands totally upright and slightly tilted back is like this.

    • @ersankuneri2689
      @ersankuneri2689 7 років тому +16

      It is actually very similar version of this

  • @Je_suis_Jefe
    @Je_suis_Jefe 7 років тому +102

    well that is why Asian traditional Martial Arts concentrate a lot on conditioning the hand and knuckles. Well conditioned hands can be surprisingly resilient.

    • @melchaios
      @melchaios 7 років тому +24

      Every punching martial art conditions your hands whether you intend it or not, mythical techniques like punching rocks and other equally unsafe stuff for conditioning won't make you less prone to injury, and it can actually have the opposite effect (making you more prone to injury). I believe shane actually has a video mythbusting that notion that "the harder the conditioning, the better".

    • @acaristic93
      @acaristic93 7 років тому +9

      Yeah you can condition your hands and various practitioners of Asian Martial Arts do it sensibly.
      However people all over the world like to jump into that by doing things like punching concrete walls which really just fucks up your hand.
      Hell,when you start off,even using big boxing gloves is tough on your hands when you're punching the bag,let alone anything else.
      Conditioning is great,and if you ever intend to use fists in a 'real life fight' you should do it.
      Just be aware that you have to do it very carefully and at a slow pace(in terms of years) to do it without fucking up your hands and being sure you do it right(plus it takes slightly different eating habits than otherwise).

    • @Je_suis_Jefe
      @Je_suis_Jefe 7 років тому +3

      melchaios well not if you wrap your hands. The skin stays soft and wrists are weak when fighting bare knuckle.
      Modern western sports fighting don't do any wrist strengthening exercises and that is a fact.

    • @yuwmelon3868
      @yuwmelon3868 7 років тому +4

      I guess today almost every boxing coach will tell you to start everything with the jab. You just don't hit with full force recklessly. Sport apllication aside, you'd better hit hard using only the elbow, instead of the fist.

    • @melchaios
      @melchaios 7 років тому +7

      ***** Actually the fact is it does strenghten your wrist and hand. Even with all the padding, repeated trauma will create the bone remodeling that implies the conditioning you talk about. Could you condition your hands beyond that? well that is not so easy to answer. "Extra" conditioning while it could make your hands a little bit stronger (not that much though) in theory, it could very well as easily be detrimental. The fact is that the microfracture mechanism behind knuckle conditioning must not be abused, certain degree of microfractures with calcium deposition is OK and does have benefits, however if you start to abuse it then it has the opposite effect, making your bones a mess of microfracture callusses that actually make the structure weaker. Not only that, but when you get older you'll start suffering from artrhitis, which depending on the severity could be incapacitating.
      The notion that only asian self defence oriented martial arts condition their hands correctly is a myth, there aren't any real studies comparing different fighters from different disciplines bone density to support that claim. And from a medical and sports medicine point of view, hand conditioning by punching bags with proper protection is the way to go, everything else is overkill and could be hazzardous

  • @rushedandlost
    @rushedandlost 7 років тому +22

    Great to see the old style of fighting reemerge.
    This lost style has always been very interesting to me.
    Please post more information on these great moves in the future.
    Also some info on the teachings of Carl Cestari and his teachings would be
    very informative . Great subject , Thanks

  • @NicholasRachuna
    @NicholasRachuna 5 років тому +30

    My uncle was a boxer in federal prison. He used a similar style but not exactly this. His footwork was good and he would block with his forearms in a sweeping motion and counter with amazing speed and accuracy. He was undefeated in prison and on the streets and I witnessed him use his hands in many of fights over the years as He lived in my house growing up and he and my dad rolled with a rough crowd of bikers and convicts. He was a short guy but extremely muscular and well conditioned from over ten years of bodybuilding and prison life. He was fearless, smart, had absolutely zero tolerance and would kick someone’s ass for disrespecting woman, children or the elderly. If someone were to come at him I was never worried, I just thought I myself “ oh shit, this guy has no idea what’s coming “ hahahhaha the good ol’ days. I miss him!

  • @frostfreerunning690
    @frostfreerunning690 7 років тому +72

    i wonder if sherlock holmes was the first one to change the stance like on that movie with robert downey junior

    • @RaulRamirez-qq4td
      @RaulRamirez-qq4td 7 років тому +3

      Frost Freerunning I was thinking the same thing, had a lot of wing Chun in it

    • @rickybushy
      @rickybushy 7 років тому +5

      I did a bit of Wing Chun once and instructor said to imagine hands like an old school boxers stance

    • @R1nji
      @R1nji 7 років тому +2

      Yeah, but afaik that comes from the fact that RDJ does Wing Chun himself. I think I saw it in an interview once.

    • @robertbryant2945
      @robertbryant2945 7 років тому +3

      the british were big time boxers back in the day and probably brought some wing chun back from Hong Kong in 1700ds

    • @TheMicnpark
      @TheMicnpark 7 років тому +1

      Frost Freerunning sup, the Robert junior fight, he uses Wing Chun Kung fu, u can search on the Internet. And Robert is a wing Chun practitioner for real. Wing Chun is the first martial art of Bruce lee

  • @MrPrimitiveman
    @MrPrimitiveman 7 років тому +1

    Don't forget when the early champion James "deaf" Burke taught his system that a large part came from fencing. The lead arm can also parry incoming blows similar to a sword. When you read accounts about the bare knuckle bouts broken arms were very common. When you pull your arms in to cover up its effective against a gloves large surface area. Against the small, hard area of a fist or palm you risk breaking the forearm. Elbow braced against the body and the fist braced against the head the only give was the forearm. Great channel thanks for all the excellent info

  • @blockmasterscott
    @blockmasterscott 7 років тому +24

    We have the exact same hand guard in choy LI fut. Even the kwa(swinging backfist) is the same.

    • @melchaios
      @melchaios 7 років тому +21

      original bareknuckle stance and punching technique in general is very simmilar to traditional asian styles.

  • @wushuwillie5184
    @wushuwillie5184 7 років тому +8

    Many of these strategies & techniques are also used in Mantis, Hung Gar, Shaolin GongFu & Wing Chun. Thanks for the video, really enjoyed it.

  • @jg3000
    @jg3000 7 років тому +8

    In London Prize rules boxing wrestling was allowed. However nothing on the ground was allowed. Everything had to be done from your feet. So throws, kicks, headlocks and even holds were allowed.

  • @sebastiansebbysebas
    @sebastiansebbysebas 7 років тому

    Shane, I love your vids. I'm a boxer myself and I can honestly say that your techniques have further improved mine and my overall fighting knowledge. I always recommend your videos when showing people the basics. best of luck in your business and always good vibes

  • @leeharveygibbles7104
    @leeharveygibbles7104 7 років тому +1

    Your videos are very very helpful. I'm an amateur kickboxer and your info on certain workouts and Health tips are extremely helpful. Thank you for these uploads

  • @faizokhan187
    @faizokhan187 7 років тому +7

    You don't deserve "dislikes". Love your work Shane. May God bless you.

    • @fighttips
      @fighttips  7 років тому +8

      Ah thanks so much :) But no one is ever universally liked, and that's okay!

    • @abhaitanwar
      @abhaitanwar 7 років тому

      Always stay strong and positive though! :)

    • @faizokhan187
      @faizokhan187 7 років тому

      ***** Shoukran (thanks) alot Akhi (brother) for taking time and replying, that just showed how nice person you are.
      Love from Middle East.

  • @andreiniculaita1
    @andreiniculaita1 7 років тому +1344

    they fight like that because they are drunk

    • @owlblocksdavid4955
      @owlblocksdavid4955 7 років тому +55

      English prizefighter professionals were all drunk?

    • @massman1216
      @massman1216 7 років тому +98

      Owlblocks David Yes

    • @lukeism2
      @lukeism2 7 років тому +12

      Owlblocks David it's possible. BAS used to fight drunk

    • @andreiniculaita1
      @andreiniculaita1 7 років тому +39

      Owlblocks David if they were irish they were drunk :p

    • @dhickey769
      @dhickey769 7 років тому

      Luke Petersen

  • @morganmoose
    @morganmoose 7 років тому +1

    Great Vid! I'll occasionally explain this to my 4th and 5th grade students why the old stance mattered so much in the past. Broken hands/fingers were a serious deal when you made a living working with your hands. Keep up the fine work!

  • @Jameskeith1972
    @Jameskeith1972 5 років тому +1

    Heck yeah it works! After years of instructing martial arts, this is where it’s at! Palm strikes penetrate muck more than punching. The beauty of this style involves safety first. It’s definitely geared towards street fighting. Nice! Thanks for sharing!

  • @whoamiagain123
    @whoamiagain123 7 років тому +32

    First and Irish

  • @InfamousAustinT0
    @InfamousAustinT0 7 років тому +42

    "Grappling was not allowed"....
    Do you know about bare knuckle boxing history? Much of bare knuckle boxing back in the day allowed for takedowns, stomping or kicking the opponent who was on the ground, sometimes they got involved in certain holds after the takedown, shin-kicking or "purring" as they called it was allowed. Bare knuckle boxing in the West isn't quite what we think of these days. Eventually rules started changing such as gloves, no takedowns below to the waist to no takedowns at all, and many more changes in which at a certain point became boxing as we know it. All of that was perfectly legal not even 200 years.

    • @owlblocksdavid4955
      @owlblocksdavid4955 7 років тому +2

      I think the rules started getting made after the first fatality.

    • @InfamousAustinT0
      @InfamousAustinT0 7 років тому +4

      The first fatality happened long before the rules came into play. It has more to do with champions.

    • @Philweasel
      @Philweasel 6 років тому +1

      Grappling was mostly banned because it was boring. You allow for a full range of techniques, and fights either last seconds or hours. The crowds naturally gravitated to promotions that introduced rules encouraging interesting, competitive fights.

    • @vonclap
      @vonclap 4 роки тому

      Correct.....this guy is talking rubbish!!!

  • @poundscake3441
    @poundscake3441 7 років тому

    I love videos like this. As a life long student of Muay Thai, it's always great to see where things started. A lot like firearms, when we look at the origin of things, we can see and understand why we do things they way they are today. Great vid brother.

  • @TheNewton777
    @TheNewton777 7 років тому

    This was actually really fascinating information. You are the first who i have seen to cover this topic. Keep doing what you are doing!

  • @wesselvis5629
    @wesselvis5629 7 років тому +7

    I want more of this, Shane. This is great stuff!!

    • @fighttips
      @fighttips  7 років тому +6

      Ah great to hear, will do!

    • @chillbill6613
      @chillbill6613 7 років тому +1

      hey man I really like this stanza could you do more video's of this stanza

  • @uriahnavarro7904
    @uriahnavarro7904 2 роки тому +4

    I know this is a bit old, but I think you need to make an update to this. Grappling was heavily incorporated in classical pugilism-- as was hair pulling, kicking, and even more brutal tactics, some of which you mentioned. Vertical fists and knuckles were the primary means by which blows were scored. In addition to throwing traditional overhands, straights, and Jabs (straight lefts or lead offs in this day, thrown with power and knockdown/out intent), they also threw Casting hooks and Choppers which were forms of backfists essentially. Sure, they were mindful of breaking their hands on the forehead, but this did not change the means by which blows were generally delivered. What source material states they struck primarily with palms?

  • @seanwood4502
    @seanwood4502 7 років тому +2

    Fascinating stuff I did wonder how boxing evolved from the old days but never thought I would know. Shows how much passion you have for martial arts to study a form this old 🙂

  • @Googledeservestodie
    @Googledeservestodie 7 років тому

    Thank you so much for doing this video! I love the historical stances and still use it for defense from a distance. The stance is a lot like fencing, which I did in high school, so it was really easy and familiar for me when I started boxing.

  • @iroscoe
    @iroscoe 7 років тому +3

    Hip throws were very much part of the sport and when the Irish Champ Dan Jack Langan took on Tom Spring at Worcester in 1824 the reports from the time credit Langans better grappling with keeping him in the fight until eventually succumbing to the precise striking of his taller opponent .

  • @pranakhan
    @pranakhan 7 років тому +6

    If you get a chance, check out the book,"King of the Gypsies", by Bartley Gorman and Peter Walsh. A biography which reaches into the history of turn of the century Irish and English bareknuckle boxing.
    Nice job looking comfortable throwing those attacks as well! They should get you on a movie set.

    • @MrThorain
      @MrThorain 6 місяців тому

      I'm going to look for this- thanks!

  • @IBoughtItMyself
    @IBoughtItMyself 7 років тому

    Really clear and respectful explanation of something I've wondered about for decades.

  • @manuelminch7184
    @manuelminch7184 7 років тому

    Great video Shane keep it em coming! This is the best channel on UA-cam

  • @Gatekeepersis08
    @Gatekeepersis08 7 років тому +3

    I love it, love the different styles and way of thinking

  • @JesusHernandez-lm1bs
    @JesusHernandez-lm1bs 7 років тому +26

    Hey Shane which martial art did you start off with? Sorry if you've already answered this question

    • @somemysteriousguy7114
      @somemysteriousguy7114 7 років тому +1

      i believed he started taekwondo when he was 9

    • @xaviero9821
      @xaviero9821 7 років тому +1

      Triggering Seb I'm pretty sure it was tee Kwan do.

    • @fighttips
      @fighttips  7 років тому +34

      You guys know me too well, haha. Yep, at 9 I started Taekwondo. 15 I started Muay Thai. And at 20 I started Boxing.

    • @somemysteriousguy7114
      @somemysteriousguy7114 7 років тому +1

      +fightTIPS SHANE REPLIED!!

    • @xaviero9821
      @xaviero9821 7 років тому +1

      somemysteriousguy Shane always replies

  • @DCFixxer
    @DCFixxer 7 років тому

    Shane, for someone who didn't know much about this stance, you looked like a pro demonstrating it!

  • @guachingman
    @guachingman 7 років тому

    I dont know if it works or not but you did a great job with the vintage face impresion. Recently subbed and taking it one video at a time, so much useful info!! Thanks for such generosity!

  • @paulbadman8509
    @paulbadman8509 7 років тому +27

    Shane, please make a video on traditional karate stance.

    • @varanid9
      @varanid9 6 років тому +2

      Which one? Neko Ashi Dachi? Sanchin Dachi? Kiba Dachi?

    • @ddeino
      @ddeino 5 років тому

      Karate stances are not actually fighting guard stances but weight translation movements for grappling, joint manipulation, throwing, striking and more. The traditional fighting stance was called "meotode" (lit. "husband and wife hands") and is something in the middle between regular boxing guard and the video old style guard. It is not well understood in today karate and it is performed with both open hands or closed fists.

    • @ddeino
      @ddeino 5 років тому

      www.geocities.ws/karatejmh/Pictures/ChosinChibana.jpg

    • @pentassugliamario6914
      @pentassugliamario6914 5 років тому

      @@varanid9 just kamai

  • @tsalagiayastigi1676
    @tsalagiayastigi1676 5 років тому +4

    Watch Hard Times with Charles Bronson and James Coburn..😎

  • @InformationIsTheEdge
    @InformationIsTheEdge 7 років тому

    I clicked on this thinking it would be a total riff on old school boxing and was pleasantly surprised to see the subject given it's due respect. Thumb up!

  • @jonnyhatter35
    @jonnyhatter35 6 років тому

    wow, this is really illuminating. For a bareknuckle approach this makes a ton of sense.

  • @rhysnichols8608
    @rhysnichols8608 5 років тому +3

    This is actually so cool! I'd love to see a proper old time tough guy fight a modern MMA guy

    • @OnyxXThePunch
      @OnyxXThePunch 4 роки тому +1

      Planning on transferring into MMA for that reason

    • @gabrielmartinez5325
      @gabrielmartinez5325 2 роки тому

      But it also depends on the rules under which the fight is done, because in those days, in many fights you could kick the balls, grab your opponent's hair to hit him, headbutt, bite, attack the eyes, etc. A fighter of old bare knuckle boxing under the rules of modern MMA would be very limited.

  • @Fernandez3995
    @Fernandez3995 7 років тому +5

    PUT 'EM UP!

  • @weedan13
    @weedan13 7 років тому +1

    as a proud irish man i approve of this video kep up the amazing work shane

  • @brownsey1
    @brownsey1 7 років тому

    This was very cool! I've often wondered how that stance could actually be incorporated but it makes a lot more sense when you see that it was palm strikes etc. that were primarily used. Nice bit of history there too!

  • @MrKevin9856
    @MrKevin9856 7 років тому +10

    I love this style, thanks for making this video shane, I do think this style would work in a street fight if you learn it and it's more of a defensive power style so it's perfect for people that are not very fast, shane can you make a video on trying to beat an opponent that's really good at boxing footwork and one on using a over hand right and a left hook in a combo like in that movie southpaw that guy uses a over hand right and a left hook one right after the other and I wanted to know the pros and cons of using those punches like that thanks again bro

    • @melchaios
      @melchaios 7 років тому +4

      it was a pretty brutal and effective fighting style, with its most violent iteration being a variation called "rough and tumble boxing". it was a very vicious version that placed emphasis on gouging eyes and disfiguring your opponent as much as you could, they even used bites and fishhooks to rip parts of the face

    • @kblkbl
      @kblkbl 7 років тому

      It may actually be better for street fights than modern boxing. All techniques on modern boxing are based on you wearing gloves, tight blocking and shoulder rolling may not be that good of an idea in a bare knuckle situation.

  • @RemoBongo530
    @RemoBongo530 7 років тому +7

    "Fishhooked by a sprat..."

  • @paulb.4342
    @paulb.4342 7 років тому

    Excellent vid and cool info. Thanks for sharing, Shane!

  • @MadMartialArts
    @MadMartialArts 7 років тому

    hell yeah man i love the way the palm heels are thrown. really driving it in there. it can make for more compact strikes as well. i like how you can push with the palm heel, versus plain old impact. great for creating space. throw it right at his chest/shoulder if they're too far in like a one inch punch.

  • @cuchulainn1659
    @cuchulainn1659 7 років тому +5

    Is this a private fight or can anyone join in - old Irish proverb.

  • @matthewhenderson1310
    @matthewhenderson1310 7 років тому +24

    That gate block is similar to bong sau or man sau in wing chun

    • @ms-06fzakuii53
      @ms-06fzakuii53 7 років тому +3

      Does Muay Thai use it too with the framing long guard/figure four guard? Or is that different?

    • @matthewhenderson1310
      @matthewhenderson1310 7 років тому +2

      dankgankmon the long guard is the same as a man sau but man sau is mainly used against the neck of the opponent when used as a frame

    • @rickybushy
      @rickybushy 7 років тому +2

      I was thinking similar

    • @joshspawn161
      @joshspawn161 7 років тому +1

      long guard is not a block for a specific strike it is to keep yourself at distance when throwing elbows

    • @joshspawn161
      @joshspawn161 7 років тому +2

      The only real difference is the bend in the elbow opposed to straight arm for Muay Thai

  • @davidlewis4162
    @davidlewis4162 7 років тому

    Really interesting video , find it real cool how they used to fight back in the day and how it's changed , thanks bro

  • @ShinoDNS
    @ShinoDNS 7 років тому

    Really interesting as always, thank you Shane !

  • @FaithRox
    @FaithRox 7 років тому +3

    Ah, a more gentlemanly approach to combat. World could do with more of that!

  • @Bo-Dog
    @Bo-Dog 7 років тому +6

    Charles Bronson skilled at this brawling style(Hard Times). 🙋

    • @fighttips
      @fighttips  7 років тому +3

      Hard Times! Great movie

    • @Bo-Dog
      @Bo-Dog 7 років тому

      A classic🎥

    • @ZENIGMATV
      @ZENIGMATV 4 роки тому +1

      The bald opponent “hey you’re pretty good” (blocks with the top of his head)

  • @miguelramirez5856
    @miguelramirez5856 7 років тому +1

    I have to say,Shane,you are very informative and awesome.

  • @peter-johnjones5869
    @peter-johnjones5869 6 років тому

    Wow man, always thought this style was just a joke. It's great that you've brought a video out about it, nice job!

  • @dosomethingaboutit3218
    @dosomethingaboutit3218 7 років тому +7

    , County Laios Ireland

  • @lukeism2
    @lukeism2 7 років тому +27

    Conor McGregor stands like that with open palms when he hasn't got his hands down

    • @robloxgod6945
      @robloxgod6945 7 років тому

      I think his is for different reasons and is just different though. He does that to gauge the range, and because he likes to use leg kicks.

    • @ThaBurnnahKidd
      @ThaBurnnahKidd 7 років тому +6

      He does it because he's Irish and wants to pay homage to his culture. Also because he thinks it looks cool. It's more sentimental than functional in his case.

    • @buncle4339
      @buncle4339 3 роки тому

      @@ThaBurnnahKidd not because he looks cool , but it's been proving to be an affective stance

  • @stevenwilliams24
    @stevenwilliams24 7 років тому

    It got told to me that long ago more body shots were used to save the knuckles. Loved the video. I didn't know much of what you told us. It makes sense.

  • @jotarokujo1171
    @jotarokujo1171 3 роки тому

    I genuinely appreciate how short and informative the video is but i just cant stop chuckling at 0:28, it looks like an Adonis bar audition submission

  • @fjficm
    @fjficm 7 років тому +4

    wow I like this, the irish r smart

  • @psommorr
    @psommorr 7 років тому +5

    What about a Pankratrist's stance?

    • @fighttips
      @fighttips  7 років тому +1

      Very similar, yes! Also similar to how Royce Gracie fought back in the early UFC's

  • @mike393000
    @mike393000 7 років тому

    Awesome History lesson! It was cool to wake up to this and learn something I thought was just old fashioned styling was just practical street fighting.

  • @karinlefevre9988
    @karinlefevre9988 6 років тому

    Thanks!! Always wondered about that!!

  • @premsadia9672
    @premsadia9672 7 років тому +103

    Looks like wing Chun.

    • @houseoflyrics8191
      @houseoflyrics8191 7 років тому +10

      thought that too

    • @mariosahli4834
      @mariosahli4834 7 років тому +5

      PREM SADIA
      More like Bartitsu

    • @axelstone3131
      @axelstone3131 7 років тому +3

      Was also think the same

    • @mr.orangeaide5260
      @mr.orangeaide5260 7 років тому +10

      way more similarities than we like to pretend

    • @locogiomotocroz4031
      @locogiomotocroz4031 7 років тому +5

      yeah but this defense seems a little bit more open and effective. However I think wing chun punches might be more explosive and effective.

  • @captainireland4153
    @captainireland4153 7 років тому +13

    Why? Because we're hard as fuck, that's why

    • @feckingegg9146
      @feckingegg9146 6 років тому

      lmao

    • @tottenhamhotspurish
      @tottenhamhotspurish 6 років тому

      Captain Ireland4 It's called the fighting Irish stance, but it was actually made in England.

  • @ShinkaTV
    @ShinkaTV 7 років тому

    fantastic. this answers a lot, Thank you.
    it'd integrate well with shedding/nervous system overload.

  • @FelFree
    @FelFree 7 років тому

    Vary Old style of fighting. .. kind of cool and beautiful once understood. .. thank you for teaching. .. Peace and God Bless

  • @davidrivas6412
    @davidrivas6412 7 років тому +6

    By watching this video I kinda think you look part Irish

  • @andreiciobirca832
    @andreiciobirca832 7 років тому +8

    Shane do you have any Irish I you? Apart from your name being Irish?

    • @mr.orangeaide5260
      @mr.orangeaide5260 7 років тому

      well if his names irish then yes probably. also, Philadelphia

    • @kenansabic2901
      @kenansabic2901 7 років тому

      I always thought he seemed a bit Irish.

    • @stephenhennessy4220
      @stephenhennessy4220 7 років тому

      Andrei Ciobirca I'm Irish and have never heard the name fazen till this guy

    • @mohamedog1
      @mohamedog1 7 років тому

      Andrei Ciobirca yh he spoke about it in one of recent vidoes

    • @SupernovaKANGAROO
      @SupernovaKANGAROO 7 років тому +1

      i think he meant the name "shane" being irish. "fazen" is austrian.

  • @Fuglsang84
    @Fuglsang84 5 років тому

    First video I watch of you. Instant sub'! Good content, mate! Thanks. 😎💪

  • @johnroberts2652
    @johnroberts2652 7 років тому

    I really hope u continue the series

  • @nawfsidereviews6029
    @nawfsidereviews6029 7 років тому +4

    What'd you read to figure all of this out?

    • @owlblocksdavid4955
      @owlblocksdavid4955 7 років тому +3

      There are some historical sources. English Martial Arts is a channel that has a slightly different interpretation of classical pugilism; I think it might have listed sources for reading.

    • @acaristic93
      @acaristic93 7 років тому

      The channel also often enough links towards a web page where you can join a course(in a way similar to Shane's fight gym) and see various instructional videos,read books etc.
      But even without paying for that you can follow the youtube channel and learn+there are some books on this(also mentioned on that channel).
      Oz(the creator of said channel) also often enough posts in a facebook group about it all too. :)
      Check out 'UK HEMA - Historical European Martial Arts in the United Kingdom' for that.

    • @lukencrowheart3829
      @lukencrowheart3829 7 років тому

      So let me guess this straight, you are telling me that guy ask for money to show you what should be historical and cultural patrimony? He is asking people to pay him for teaching them something he learned over PUBLIC historical manuals? That could not be right... or is he teaching HIS way of understanding? In both ways is deplorable.

    • @acaristic93
      @acaristic93 7 років тому +1

      He's asking for money so he can continue teaching.
      It's not vast sums spent on luxury and personal pleasures,as far as I'm aware it's used to buy other manuals(I agree they should just be publically available but often times are not and you have to buy/rent the rights to use them).
      He also spends that money on the space in which he teaches and the equipment he and his students use.
      Why's that unfair of him?He wouldn't be able to teach people otherwise.He's not going to create money out of thin air that he can use for the space,equipment etc. (and within the capitalist system you do need that,sadly that's how things are).

    • @kekoajk05
      @kekoajk05 7 років тому +2

      Luken Crowheart so is it also deplorable for my accountant to charge me for doing my taxes? That whole process is publicly available information.. If both parties willingly enter into a mutual exchange (as in the consumer receives an expected product or service as advertised and the seller gets compensated as advertised) then how can this also be deplorable?

  • @Dave_Menz_p4p_number_1
    @Dave_Menz_p4p_number_1 7 років тому +3

    idk where you got your info from about not using knuckles but your dead wrong

    • @Bless3dWithACurse
      @Bless3dWithACurse 7 років тому

      He's actually right. If you're throwing punches at the face, you have to remember that there are bones in the skull. Bone on bone contact? Good game your fingers.
      If you're going ungloved, using your palms is much safer. Don't believe me? make a fist and throw a light uppercut on your chin. Feel the sharpness of that chin bone against your fingers and tell me all your fingers would be alright when throwing a full force uppercut. Same with the cheek bone and jaw.

    • @Dave_Menz_p4p_number_1
      @Dave_Menz_p4p_number_1 7 років тому

      You obviously havent seen modern day bare knuckle boxing

    • @mattybt400
      @mattybt400 7 років тому +1

      Robert - you are absolutely right.They did of course use knuckles - almost exclusively. Did they break their hands - yes - all the time.This has been noted over and over in old books and is a key reason for the invention f gloves and the formulation of Queensbury rules.More bro science on the internet folks.

    • @brazelephantman
      @brazelephantman 7 років тому +1

      *you're dead wrong.....

    • @owlblocksdavid4955
      @owlblocksdavid4955 7 років тому

      That's why pugilists threw a lot of straight punches with a vertical fist. Better structure. And probably why the solar plexus region ("the mark") was a preferred location if possible.

  • @Justin23908
    @Justin23908 7 років тому

    This is pretty cool. I like the channel. Keep up the boxing info bro

  • @jerrysiller6958
    @jerrysiller6958 2 роки тому

    Thanks brother , I love your videos.

  • @frenikfri
    @frenikfri 7 років тому +18

    Shane why are you making a video about something you clearly don´t know anything about?
    1. The main target WAS the body because of the bare fists. Especially the "mark" which is the solar plexus. This explains the position of the rear hand/arm which protects the "mark".
    2. They did strike with the knuckles. They landed the shots with the three lower knuckles in a diagonal/vertical manner. Every old boxing manual from the bare knuckle boxing era teaches this.
    3. Grappling WAS allowed. Depending on the area different techniques were allowed but in general wrestling was a huge part of pugilism. Which this stance is also a result of.

    • @hkfitness56
      @hkfitness56 5 років тому +2

      Bro, shane has more knowledge and experience than you stop tryna act like u know what ur talking about. stfu

    • @OnyxXThePunch
      @OnyxXThePunch 3 роки тому

      @Zachary Desroches this guy's actually correct

  • @Chingu-nm6wp
    @Chingu-nm6wp 7 років тому

    I always thought the stance looked silly but now I see the importance of it Very interesting thanks for the info.

  • @raoulparant2328
    @raoulparant2328 7 років тому

    thanks, Shane I'm gonna do a bit more research into this

  • @michaeljk2469
    @michaeljk2469 7 років тому

    love your videos !!

  • @unkn0wnrge189
    @unkn0wnrge189 3 роки тому

    Oh thanks you changed my life after learned this with you, my mom never complained again of me not going to school

  • @michaelkeha
    @michaelkeha 7 років тому +1

    My grand dad taught me to fight in that stance when I boxed and it was fantastic as a way to throw your opponent off guard by switching from normal boxing stance to this stance more so when your someone like me who is not the fastest man on his feet or with his hands but hits like a train getting your opponent to over extend when they trying to figure out how they can actually bop you in the head is fantastic to give them a resounding hook in return

  • @tariqxl
    @tariqxl 7 років тому

    Props for the Philly Shell reference, it's how I know your for real with boxing and not just a MMA. Subbed for that right there. I've been messing with using a Tae Kwon Do back-stance (I'm a converted southpaw, all power up front) and with a Philly Shell gaurd. But only from home as I've not trained in a while due to a string of injuries. Had some no-contact sparring with a friend and former regional boxing champ, so no kicks, just out in the street, possibly after a few too many, sparring. But I found with the lateral shoulders the left hand is hidden behind the chin and harder to see coming, I woulda had him with the 1st 2 shots, both straight lefts, quite McGregor'esque.

  • @TinyTalesBookClub
    @TinyTalesBookClub 7 років тому

    i always thought it looked so weird, good break down of what they were trying to do. makes so much more sense now:)

  • @JAK3THETUB3
    @JAK3THETUB3 7 років тому

    Awesome. Often wondered. Thanks for sharing.

  • @keithprice7119
    @keithprice7119 7 років тому

    Really enjoying your channel.

  • @tomasclutterbuck2038
    @tomasclutterbuck2038 7 років тому

    Love this style history thing, you should make it a running series!

  • @hossv1147
    @hossv1147 7 років тому

    The old school look always caught my attention. Good informative vid. Thank you, thumbs up.

  • @zerrowolf6747
    @zerrowolf6747 7 років тому

    Fascinating! Makes alot of sense considering the lack of gloves.

  • @the_other_dude
    @the_other_dude 7 років тому

    Subbed. Thanks and keep up the good work!

  • @theGodKingg
    @theGodKingg 5 років тому

    Nice review. I subbed. Most don’t even know the names of the legends legends so I appreciate it.

  • @LazlosPlane
    @LazlosPlane 3 роки тому

    Fascinating stuff. Thanks.