I think this would actually depend on the nunber of other players and their experience.. If I'm playing veterans I'm going for maybe the 9,5,10. If I'm playing drunk friends, or its a weekend away and im looking for a fun more interesting game
I’ve recently started playing Catan after school in the school cafeteria and have even gotten other people into the game. Wouldn’t have gotten as far as I have without your vids.
I would love to see more of these videos! I would love for you to go through multiple random boards in quick succession and have us guess which spot would be the correct choice.
I picked the 5 4 10 right next to it because it still has great ore, and you have good brick wood garunteed, as well as also locking your opponents out of both the 5 9 10 and 8 4 10 thus making your spot that much stronger. Although it only produces 10 instead of 11 I still believe having this better resource variety allows you to gather all 5 resources as there is an abundance of good wool wheat spots.
I too would have chosen the 5/4/10. And could make a video of 10 reasons why lol, but the best part is that by discouraging 9/5/10 and 10/4/8 you open up 10/8 and 9/10 for expansion, only 2 roads away. Even if someone takes one, you get the other, which will make you a powerhouse late game, especially if you can get both.
I was pretty certain in my decision for the 8/4/10 just because strong road building *and* wheat, but you convinced me with the last point about someone else having a strong game from the ore wheat/sheep possibilities they could have.
@@Siggerou1993 I agree. If there was a second choice I would take a spot to take the 9/5/10 out of play, which is the 4/5/10. I think this is a strong alternative, but not my first choice.
I like the 5/4/10 spot better. I think player 2’s best move is to place on 5/9/12, and you can likely build toward the 8/10 coastal spot. If the 8/4/3 places their road in competition with you, their are plenty of wood/brick spaces you can claim to win that race and gain access to that juicy 8. If they place their road in a different direction, you still have the good sheep and wheat spots mentioned when discussing the 5/9/10 spot
@@DyLightedCatan when i play with friends we usually include the harbourmaster bonus as well, which has gotten me thinking about ports a lot more. Which is good for when i play online with no harbourmaster since having ports is so important. Whats your opinion on the harbourmaster, btw?
Reasons 1, 2, 5 and 8 were indeed downsides of the 5/4/10, which would have given me 3 Wood in exchange for 4 more Ore. I thought that Wood would be called for as a complimentary resource for my 3 Bricks, and that 4 Ore would be enough. I also didn't expect anyone to take the 9/10/coast as a second settlement spot. Reasons 3 and 9 were the main reasons I chose 5/4/10. Reasons 5 and 8 were the main reasons I was wrong. Thanks.
Respectfully disagree. I would go 5, 4, 10 in a heartbeat. Good Ore, decent Brick & Wood, options to build roads to a Wheat hex, plus ? port. Also plenty of reasonably high-yield Sheep/Wheat settlements for second placement. 2 x Ore settlements and 1 x Brick settlement doesn't fit with the conventional wisdom of either focusing on Longest Road or Largest Army. Follow-up moves could easily increase Ore by going South or East, depending on opponent's [placement.
I think the 6/4/3 wood, brick x2 is also a very strong play. Only 3 brick resources and you can aim your road at the brick port. No one would be able to cut you off and it would be a bad move by then if they did. Then you can build on the 4/8 brick port and you’ll have wood and brick the rest of the game. And since there is an abundance of good wheat and sheep spots you’ll def be able to get one of those too to build settlements. Agree with everything you said though.
Interesting strategy. It would also make wood more scarce for others because it would block any three resource settlements on the 8 wood. However, IMO, this strategy depends on securing the 8/4 port. If another player places an initial settlement on 8/4, then the 6/4/3 player would be left with a difficult path to victory. An 8/4 initial placement isn't likely, but it does present an all-or-nothing risk for the 6/4/3 player.
With lower level play (like most casual games) I'd probably go for the 5-4-10. That somewhat forces players to place on the coast if they want access to the ore-brick or brick-wheat, which I imagine many players are loathe to do. It also stops someone from placing on the 5-4-11 leaving the 6-5-11 as the other good ore starting spot imo.
Problem is that the 8/10 wheat/brick port is PERFECT for player 2 if they choose 5/6/11. P2 would have ore/wheat AND brick/wood AND a port. As player 1 you need someone else to grab that wheat/wood/brick spot and block the port.
Old video, but as something of a port addict and glass cannon fan, the 8/4/3 (wood/brick x2) with almost instant Brick Port access really spoke to me. The 9/10/11 as a second settlement, which is fairly low value by itself (same with adjacent segments) gets you the starting resources you need for the harbor settlement. Longest Road is basically free at that point, and you cut off easy Brick access for roads and settlements. But after watching the video, I can see why that wouldn't work. Would definitely be my plan if I was made to be 3rd or 4th on this board though.
If you go for the 5 9 10, the second place person will got for the 810 4 then beating you to the 3:1 port right? Because of the wood and brick. If you think you can beat him, then you’ll need to be on a good wood port for your second placement turn
I thought 5/4/10 would be the best choice, since it makes the choices for the other players invalid, and leaves you to great roading to either sea or more ore ?
I like it, there is plenty of stick on the board, but killing the ore for others is just too good. Plus depending what others take you can go wheat or more stick. IMHO, of course.
the 5/4/10 was clearly better as it eliminates 3 of the 4 "best positions" while securing your early road, since you go first with a road in hand, your 3:1 would be guaranteed
You only get resources from your second placement so you're not starting with a free road. And you allow 5/9/12 with a strong wheat/sheep for an amazing OWS setup. It's just much better to have less ore in the game when you're the OWS player
Honestly never would have considered your first pick. But I’m glad you broke down the strategy for your consideration. You’ve changed my game for the better!
I was looking at the 10/5/4, because there is a lot of wheat/sheep on this board, and a lot of spots to get a piece of that with decent production at the end. I couldn't figure out how to make the ports work well, and that's when I realized this board is setup incorrectly. The ports are screwed up, the 3:1 port and the brick (?) port are adjacent, and you should never have that. There would probably be more good road direction for the 10/5/4 to secure a port if the ports had been built correctly
I would have gone for the 8/4/10 like some other people mentioned but also because it's near the wheat port that adjoins with 2 tiles instead of just 1. as well, with all the wheat spots available it would be easy to get a good supply of wheat and make great use of the port to compensate for the low ore depending on what gets taken. I did overlook the fact that it would be a prime target for the robber however. I definitely see what you're getting at for the 5/9/10 though.
Dylighted I was playing with my parents yesterday and I tried to play a wood brick style game. Could you make a video where you try and use that strategy rather than ore wheat sheep? Thanks!
Picked it as well. You added some reasons for me, but mainly the reason (besides it being a strong point of course) is that the ore and brick are sparse in this board, which means your trade options will be good.
I'm personally a fan of 4, 5, 10. I think, despite there being 2 strong wood spots, first player will have an impossible time getting any wood if they don't get it with their first placement. Having no wood (or no brick) is, imo, much worse than having one of your two expansion directions blocked. I agree that having all 5 resources is overrated, but mostly on this board sacrificing sheep or wheat (or sheep in general boards) is okay relative to sacrificing wood. I'd love to see data on which ends up better statistically.
4/5/10 is also interesting because it blocks access to 9/5/10 and 10/4/8--two of the contenders for best spots. But it certainly has it's downsides. It doesn't have good port options, and it shares the ore with other players.
I wonder though about people wanting to place anything south of that spot. They’d be building on the coast to reach the resources and as you said, there isn’t great options for port. I feel like you are monopolizing the brick spot while also detecting much of the ore to people outside of the 5-9-12 spot.
The main problem with the 4 5 10 is where other people place- you end up giving much better ore spots to 2nd, 3rd, and 4th than they otherwise would have gotten, which means that they end up as much stiffer competition.
I agree. Wool is grouped with wheat everywhere, so you will almost definitely be able to get both later, but if you don't start with wood you won't be able to get it on your second placement without giving up at least access to wheat.
I would have taken the 4/5/10, but that's because I generally play 3 player games where road building is much more important. For a 4-player game, I can definitely see your point about prioritising ore. (And 4/10 isn't that reliable for road building anyway.)
Paused at 0:17 - MY thoughts: Wood and Wheat are plenty (but the wheat has both 8 and 6 on the corners, so wood will probably be the more dominant resource early on). Both Wood and Wheat ports are on a 8 of that resource, so anyone getting a dominant position here will probably stop trading those resources with players later on. Brick is gonna be of real shortage (and thus valuable for early expansion) while wood should be available in trades if needed. Ore isn't that bad in terms of numbers, but it is cramped up and so there are only very few good settlement spots available. Missing out at the beginning might see you blocked for the rest of the game. Sheep are also on the rare side despite a nice distributions accross the board but the 5 is cornered at the ocean, the desert and a 2 wheat, the 3 and 12 are low production and the 9 will be quite contested... In terms of borders there is plenty wood/brick (9 settlement spots) and sheep/wheat (8) combinations, there is no sheep/brick border. MY conclusion: I want a good brick field (10 or 4), not get blocked from the ore, and a chance at the remaining resources in my second turn. So I would go with the 4/5/10 (ore/wood/brick) and hope for a reasonable wheat/ sheep combo. Edit: Okay, so getting cut off is a risk in my strat I did not consider. Also I am kind of a fan of the "try and get all resources" strategy, and I also never fancied going heavy on development cards. Your explanations did make sense and getting more ore and locking 2 players out is definitely more powerful than getting a weak wood in a game where (like I wrote before, wood should be plentiful (especially among players 3 and 4). Thanks for the detailed analysis. :-)
a key point though, is that it's got clay instead or wheat or whatever. you can pick a strong ore spot, but not if you end up missing out on both wood and clay. In my experience having no wood nor clay in the early game leads to no expansion at all, meaning that you won't ever be able to capitalize on your ore.
I think I would've gone for thw 4, 5, 10 position right next to the one you chose. Then built road down to wheat 8. It's a bit more greedy. But I'd argue noone would fuck up your road.
@George Pierce - Why would you go for the wheat port if you had a chance at the 10/8 port that is a generic? If you go 4/3/8 and then to the wheat port you are literally getting a 2-point wheat port. If you go for the 3:1 port it is a 3-point brick/5-point wheat location.
@George Pierce - The problem there is that the player placing 4/3/8 is not going to go for a 2-production wheat port unless they are an idiot or it is their 3rd or 4th expansion spot. What is infinitely more likely, is that they are going to be placing on one of the open wood/brick spots for their second City, since they do need brick still, and having a free road to cut you off. Since you can't place on wood/brick second yourself, you will never beat them to the port, meaning they have wasted your road. If I know I am getting a road first turn, I'm not going to care if I am "racing" someone else for a port, because there isn't any way I lose it unless you literally forsake wheat production AND going low ore. The only way you beat me to the port is if you take wood/brick again on your second town...
The 9/5/10 was what I would have done. I formulated my reasoning slightly differently: The 6's and 8's are on Wood and Wheat, which have some other okay numbers too. So the rare resources are going to be Ore and Brick. That sort of augments reason #3 on this board
That was pretty similar to my thinking. With all the good wheat and log, I figured you can't go wrong dominating the rarer resources early, and having both good ore numbers will allow for good city building, development cards, and trading with other players.
As an experienced Catan player I'm intrigued by many of the reasons, and I learned a lot. You will never be able to find reasons like this in such a short time in a real game though. But my inital pick was also this spot, simply because of the strong wheats on the board. Sheeps I usually don't worry about. Sheep is least needed, and players always dump their sheep in trades.
I picked the 4/5/10 just to the right of your placement. And I would probably aim the road toward the 8/10/3:1 port, which is a very strong 3rd settlement and unlikely to be taken by players 2-4 who usually get all the 3 tile settlements off the bat. But aiming toward the 9/10 makes sense too, especially if you want to build an army. Plus, going 4/5/10 still gets you onto the best ore tile on the board. And this placement gets you 3 pips of wood and brick each, which means that road production should be consistent for you, and that gives you the flexibility to build in the direction necessary (going first/last can often result in limited expansion room, so road building is critical, as even tall strategies require that you get at least one more settlement). It also blocks the 5/9/10 and 4/8/10 from being settled by your opponents, which would have been 2 11-pip settlements for them.
You make a lot of good points. Though my personal opinion is that 5/9/10 and 4/5/10 are almost equal as best choice. Although 5/9/10 may be better producing and also uniquely influence players in certain ways depending on placements, 4/5/10 still has a strong ore supply but also much easier road building and access to that good junction in the southeast. In some games I've played, not being able to expand enough balanced out the benefit of all the ore I was producing, which is even more of a setback if everyone else gets production development throughout the game. 5/9/10 is certainly better for the endgame but I've been in games where good early development can outpace the point where the endgame advantage benefits the player who goes for that. I might even argue that between the two options, it depends on who you're playing with and/or what their priorities are. If you're playing with casual players or people that don't prioritize resource productivity, then 5/9/10 is better. However, if the opponents are well seasoned and prioritize ore and development more than resources and expansion, then 4/5/10 could be better because not only would you outpace the main ore player, you also force them on 5/9/12 where they get more ore but the 12 hex is nearly useless; and 5/6/11 is too easily locked in. There are of course a number of other reasons how 4/5/10 may be as good as 5/9/10 but I just mentioned the main ones. I can also see how some folks see potential in 4/8/10 because of the huge expansion opportunities and having the right port for a critical hex, but the downsides are the lack of ore and robber targeting.
How about taking the 6-4-3 wood and two brick spot? Point your road upwards and try and get the 8-4 port, looks like wheat. You would dominate wood and brick production, would easily get longest road, and should have plenty of potential for trades, even if its just with the bank.
It's nice to hear the 10 reasons. I had most of them but the road for #5 was interesting to think about and anticipate the reactions from the other players. Some quality work you go there :P
5/4/10 Street left detection. Reasoning: u will win most likely any race for the 9/10, if someone tries. And the odds are quite good that you are getting a reasonable wheat/sheep spot for you second settlement. Sounds like the strongest setup.
Id still go for the 8/4/10. Nice complimentary port. As you said before high chance of doubling wheat production and getting a nice sheep. If your lucky you can claim some left over ore spots.
I would pick the 4/8/10 spot for easier early game road and settlement which leads to quicker development. But I suppose your pick has more advantage in the late game. And the overrated all 5 resources really makes me think, cuz I always prioritize getting all 5. Really great video, love the concept.
I personally would pick the 8/4/3 or 6/4/3 wood brick brick option mainly because I try to get a third settlement up ASAP and bricks will likely be a limiting factor. Second spot would likely have a focus on sheep and grain. My family however kinda plays with 2 house rules where even with 4 players we use the 5-6 player board and has a 2 rule where you can't have one settlement an odd number away from the first settlement which was intended to try and keep the map a but more open mainly because games sometimes started talking too long due to a lack of resources being generated and lack of expantion options being often a problem.
If Player 1 goes for that 5,9,10 ore spot, i d love to be player 2 going for the 4, 10, 8 spot and starving player one for wheat. As players will likely pick up the 6,5,11 ore spot as well, i would be better of not getting that myself, as it would lead me to always fall behind player 1. Also i could easily challenge the 3v1 harbour on the border, potentially even roading around player 1 to get to the coastal 9 ore spot. If the wheat isn't taken, i could also go for wheat, which would force player 1 to go to the wheat harbour spot to the right. If the wheat is already overcrowded i could easily go into that road building game i just mentioned earlier.
I think the problem with going 4/8/10 as P2 is you won’t be able to have really strong wood/brick and sheep. If you end up choosing wood brick you prob won’t get road since your settles would be really far apart. If you go for sheep, you won’t really have good ore for dev cards and it’ll be hard to get wood/brick with only a 4/10 especially when there’s such strong wood left on the board, there will be a stronger road player. Plus you leave the good ore open and it’s easier to find complements to 5/6/11 as 3rd or 4th pick
Going off what Volume said, it's likely that 4th is going to end up taking the 8 3 wheat port as their final pick. You may not want to race 1st for OWS, but do you want to leave those spots to the other players and go without ore entirely? You're essentially sacrificing the 6 points of ore for the ability to build some occasional roads
wouldn't the road building @ 3:06 be a bad idea? I think it would actually make the 6-5-12 position more likely as that player will have a better chance of winning that road race. Your second village will need grain and the 4-8-10 spot will be taken before that for sure. Thus you will start with wood and brick, and will probably struggle with getting those early. Beat the race and you waste a road that's pretty expensive with your positions?
Ha ha ha! This comment is froma previous viewing. Interesting to see that I still came back to this spot after 2 years ! Of course, this might be why I suck at Catan....
Brilliantly argued. You make great videos, honestly. Long time catan player, not a pro, but play hard, and this is only my 2nd vid but I've learnt a bunch already You're eloquent and got a lot of clarity. It sounds a bit like you stumble or unsure of yourself when recording so I just want to emphasise how good your content is and hope you feel confident about it :D How'd you learn all this btw? Play pro? Read a lot? Just devoted and spent a lot of time to explaining?
Thank you for the kind words! I genuinely appreciate it. I stumble a lot when recording haha and it takes me a ton of tries to get right. Only with editing does it sound smooth. I learned by playing a game and always asking myself questions on why I lost? What could I have done better? What could I have improved? I’d go more specific. How could I have optimized my placements? How could I have optimized my trading? How could I have prevented X from happening? Why did I lose my win condition? I wrote myself an actual essay every time I lost, and it gained me a strong understanding of the game. Nowadays, I learn through other top players who kindly share their private knowledge with me, and I return the favor.
@@DyLightedCatan Wow, it's so heartwarming and humbling to hear other's methods for learning and how much effort it took. Helpful for asking the right questions too. Writing essays is totally something I'd do! Glad to hear I'm not alone haha and definitely reassuring. Your effort really paid off :)
4/3/6 at the pause, looks like a shortage of brick with only 8 points. Maybe still go for the brick port because you still have 5/8 points brick. You also start off with a blocking settlement which could be good or bad. Going to need some Ore on the second placement.
Depends man, i choose 5,4,10. If u play with 3 people who knows how to play the will leave u without good spots for wheat, and with no wheat u cant build city, town or development card, so your rocks dont have no sense. My second move will be maybe on 8,3 or 5,10. Maybe if u play with people who dont where too put, thats the right spot
I picked 8,4,3, not as many pips but look how close it is to the brick port with an auto road in hand to start the game. While everyone else is scrapping for the 11 pip spots, I'd be fairly confident that I could pick up any other 1 resource on the board, 2 if everyone else did the "logical" thing. Sure I don't have as many pips, but a hit on my numbers is a total boon, and my spread is a little better. If I went after no 1, I might go for 6,5,12 and then either 12,9 wood port or 8,4,10 to try and lock down 1st player. I tend to place based on the information that the players before me give. If I can lock a player out of the game it means I really have only 2 opponents. I do this with a strong win condition in mind like longest Rd or aggressive port trading. I find it pays to play the meta rather than do the "logical" thing.
Without seeing the video. I either pick 10/5/4 or 8/4/3. Brick and ore are rare resources so I would go for the first one. The second gives me an uncontested brick port though.
I mean even though I am only a casual player I didn't expect that heavy ore strategy is the preferred one. I would have gone for the 6/4/3 (or 4/8/10) spot with an expansion strategy. Which would likely work since there are multiple good wheat sheep spots so it should be possible to still get one. Also brick will be the rarest resource so getting the best spot for brick seems nice. I guess that's the difference between casual and professional.
im thinking double ore + brick ... ore is valuable and that spot dominates this boards ore production, plus all the other good numbers have a ruined hex low number desert etc but i havent played base catan in at least 10 years so i might not be correctly evalueating the resources
You leave the strong ore spots left to other players (reason 10) and when it gets back to you, you’ll lose your ore spots and won’t have enough space to fight for longest road.
9/5/10, has the rarest resources on the board available with pretty good numbers. High chance people will trade with me for other resources and it is also close to a 3:1 harbor.
My problem with the spot is that half of your production will be iron, a resource that is completely useless for the first half of the game. If you instead took the 4/8/10 you would have wood, bricks and wheat allowing you to more easily race other players for a good third settlement in the center of the board. With 9/5/10 you will be drowning in iron that nobody wants that you can only trade 4 for 1 with the bank because chances are it will take some time before you can grab a port
The main reason I see is that it gives all of your opponents better ore. Given that they will be placing their second settlements before you, it means they end up having a better game than you will
I picked this one too. After watching, I do think I like his pick a little more, but the 5/4/10 does prevent any other players from taking to 9/5/10. He says that another player could block you off from the positions you would naturally want to expand to, but they do so at a pretty hefty cost to their own development.
Hey are you able to do starting placement analysis for the default board in Catan Universe? The one which you always play on when you play a free game. I would much appreciate it. Love the vids
Would you consider a settle on the 12/6/5 and point the road to the wood port (which once settled will also get you ore)? 2nd player who will go on the 9/5/10 is unlikely to contest the wood port.
Hi, Dylighted! Thanks for videos. I think it becomes less interesting because everyone chooses the first place with Ore. And who takes it probably wins. I wonder, what do you think about it.
Whoa! If everyone is taking ore and winning, then the people at the table need to adapt and rob the person with ore. OWS (ore wheat sheep) is strong, but I can assure you there are tons of counter measures on taking down OWS. Good luck! If this game was solved, I wouldn’t be playing or making strategy videos!
I picked 8/4/10 beacuse: Wheet is on number 8, which means that they are high chanses that I will often get it. I already have wood and clay, so I could also be able to start building roads I am very close to sheeps, and with them, I can start building villages. But beacuse of weat that I would probably have many, I belive I will be able to trade it with other players And finally, l would be able to get stone with a little bit of luck, and then i would be able to make cities faster( i would probably have TONS of weed)
Good question! Production points are the little dots below the numbers. To find the totally production we add up the total “dots.” The more dots there are the more likely it is to roll.
@@Youcanpokemyballs Those dots are on all the newer printings of the game (the last 10+ years), and the online versions. They represent how many times out of 36 rolls that number should be rolled, on average. Adding up the dots is a good way to get a sense for how strong a spot is to build on, as DyLighted talked about it here.
10 - 8 - 4 is the right spot for the 1st player. The.thing is when you play first you must simply pick the best spot with 3 different resources. It is very crucial cause you don't know with what spot you will end up in the end. Although it seems that in this particular map you have some chance to get sheep and stachy you still can't be sure. Also if you get at the end a spot like 10 - 5 - 2 you will end depending on simply 3 numbers. Also being the ore King doesn't n necessarily mean something. Other players can shut you down simply by using the robber on you stachy or sheep. So you will end up giving 4 ore to the bank every round.
That would also have been my pick, I find it interesting that apparently many catan players online prioritise iron and wheat rather than wood and stone, it might be the aggresive playstyle my family uses but most of them go for wood and stone and i would fear to be closed in and dont get enough spots to get enough points even with biggest army. Then again we have a large family and usually play with 5 or 6 players and going for twelve points is harder than 10 if you only get a couple spots. Personally i would go for the 8/4/10 spot with the grain harbour and potentially the 3:1 on the south, I feel like it is not as impossible to win with low iron as some, especially if some trade some iron early for good prices against wood or iron if they want to get some space. again maybe just my personal experience within my family and the fact that on this map there is no really good complement are decent arguments (of course given the fact that you are last to place the second spot chances are slim you get a good complement anyway)
I would pick the 10-8-4 every day of the week. Wheat is so powerful since it's used more often than wheat. Moreover, picking the 10-9-5 spot might assure you a wheat spot, but it likely won't be very good.
I played a game where there were low ore production on the board and I was the first choosing! I picked up the ore spot but I endend up losing! What do u do in these situations?
DylLighted - Catan Wow thanks! But I have another question 😅 Is it good or not to have settlement on the same number? Like 6 sheep and 6 ore? Or it depends on the resource?
Great question! Basically you would want coordinated numbers for resources that pair together like wood and brick, or Ore and wheat. Other than that it’s usually beneficial to not have the resources coordinated. Hope this helps.
I picked the 8/4/10 for the easier start but it makes sense to look ahead on what the late game would entail.
Same. This was my mistake for a majority of games I played, especially when I first started
Definitely correct
Yeah I liked 8/4/10 too and probably would have cruised to 4-6 points, then gotten whooped by the ore spot player.
I think this would actually depend on the nunber of other players and their experience.. If I'm playing veterans I'm going for maybe the 9,5,10. If I'm playing drunk friends, or its a weekend away and im looking for a fun more interesting game
same
I’ve recently started playing Catan after school in the school cafeteria and have even gotten other people into the game. Wouldn’t have gotten as far as I have without your vids.
Woohoo! Make Catan more popular! That was one of my main goals for starting the channel. I'm so glad I could help
No way, me and my friends started doing the exact same thing!
Same here!
I would love to see more of these videos! I would love for you to go through multiple random boards in quick succession and have us guess which spot would be the correct choice.
Oooh good idea. I might do it.
I think many people would pick that spot, but your thoughts on WHY made me learn a lot about the game in a short video.
I love your videos man, It grows the Catan Community and they are so helpful to learn sth 😉🤓
Starshine thank you! This comment really means a lot to me. I’m glad what I do helps people learn and that they enjoy it.
I picked the 5 4 10 right next to it because it still has great ore, and you have good brick wood garunteed, as well as also locking your opponents out of both the 5 9 10 and 8 4 10 thus making your spot that much stronger. Although it only produces 10 instead of 11 I still believe having this better resource variety allows you to gather all 5 resources as there is an abundance of good wool wheat spots.
The 5/4/10 is a fine alternative.
I too would have chosen the 5/4/10. And could make a video of 10 reasons why lol, but the best part is that by discouraging 9/5/10 and 10/4/8 you open up 10/8 and 9/10 for expansion, only 2 roads away. Even if someone takes one, you get the other, which will make you a powerhouse late game, especially if you can get both.
I was pretty certain in my decision for the 8/4/10 just because strong road building *and* wheat, but you convinced me with the last point about someone else having a strong game from the ore wheat/sheep possibilities they could have.
Nice video. Reason that most resonated with me was #10. If you don’t take it someone else will. Something I don’t think I give enough attention to.
Bob Ekers Me too! That’s why I said it was the most important reason.
But noone could take that spot if 1st pick would get the 5-4-10, which was also a very popular spot.
@@Siggerou1993 I agree. If there was a second choice I would take a spot to take the 9/5/10 out of play, which is the 4/5/10. I think this is a strong alternative, but not my first choice.
I like the 5/4/10 spot better. I think player 2’s best move is to place on 5/9/12, and you can likely build toward the 8/10 coastal spot. If the 8/4/3 places their road in competition with you, their are plenty of wood/brick spaces you can claim to win that race and gain access to that juicy 8. If they place their road in a different direction, you still have the good sheep and wheat spots mentioned when discussing the 5/9/10 spot
Yeah chose 5 4 10 too
Great video Dyl 👍
All 5 resources is overrated, but getting on a 3:1 port is underrated!
Totally agree! Having a port is so important and often forgotten!
@@DyLightedCatan
when i play with friends we usually include the harbourmaster bonus as well, which has gotten me thinking about ports a lot more. Which is good for when i play online with no harbourmaster since having ports is so important. Whats your opinion on the harbourmaster, btw?
@@jjnxyz4368 ports should be part of your placement strategy. I definitely wouldn’t leave them till later to start thinking about them
Reasons 1, 2, 5 and 8 were indeed downsides of the 5/4/10, which would have given me 3 Wood in exchange for 4 more Ore. I thought that Wood would be called for as a complimentary resource for my 3 Bricks, and that 4 Ore would be enough. I also didn't expect anyone to take the 9/10/coast as a second settlement spot. Reasons 3 and 9 were the main reasons I chose 5/4/10. Reasons 5 and 8 were the main reasons I was wrong. Thanks.
Thanks for keeping an open mind! Appreciate the comment.
Respectfully disagree. I would go 5, 4, 10 in a heartbeat. Good Ore, decent Brick & Wood, options to build roads to a Wheat hex, plus ? port. Also plenty of reasonably high-yield Sheep/Wheat settlements for second placement.
2 x Ore settlements and 1 x Brick settlement doesn't fit with the conventional wisdom of either focusing on Longest Road or Largest Army.
Follow-up moves could easily increase Ore by going South or East, depending on opponent's [placement.
4510 is a fine choice too!
I was thinking 5-4-10 with road pointed towards the 9 so you can try and build on the 9-10 as a 3rd settlement
same and also for wheat on the right??
Same and you blocked 2 good spots
I think the 6/4/3 wood, brick x2 is also a very strong play. Only 3 brick resources and you can aim your road at the brick port. No one would be able to cut you off and it would be a bad move by then if they did. Then you can build on the 4/8 brick port and you’ll have wood and brick the rest of the game. And since there is an abundance of good wheat and sheep spots you’ll def be able to get one of those too to build settlements. Agree with everything you said though.
Literally that’s what I was thinking
Interesting strategy. It would also make wood more scarce for others because it would block any three resource settlements on the 8 wood. However, IMO, this strategy depends on securing the 8/4 port. If another player places an initial settlement on 8/4, then the 6/4/3 player would be left with a difficult path to victory. An 8/4 initial placement isn't likely, but it does present an all-or-nothing risk for the 6/4/3 player.
With lower level play (like most casual games) I'd probably go for the 5-4-10. That somewhat forces players to place on the coast if they want access to the ore-brick or brick-wheat, which I imagine many players are loathe to do. It also stops someone from placing on the 5-4-11 leaving the 6-5-11 as the other good ore starting spot imo.
Problem is that the 8/10 wheat/brick port is PERFECT for player 2 if they choose 5/6/11. P2 would have ore/wheat AND brick/wood AND a port. As player 1 you need someone else to grab that wheat/wood/brick spot and block the port.
Old video, but as something of a port addict and glass cannon fan, the 8/4/3 (wood/brick x2) with almost instant Brick Port access really spoke to me. The 9/10/11 as a second settlement, which is fairly low value by itself (same with adjacent segments) gets you the starting resources you need for the harbor settlement. Longest Road is basically free at that point, and you cut off easy Brick access for roads and settlements.
But after watching the video, I can see why that wouldn't work. Would definitely be my plan if I was made to be 3rd or 4th on this board though.
If you go for the 5 9 10, the second place person will got for the 810 4 then beating you to the 3:1 port right? Because of the wood and brick. If you think you can beat him, then you’ll need to be on a good wood port for your second placement turn
I thought 5/4/10 would be the best choice, since it makes the choices for the other players invalid, and leaves you to great roading to either sea or more ore ?
I like it, there is plenty of stick on the board, but killing the ore for others is just too good. Plus depending what others take you can go wheat or more stick. IMHO, of course.
the 5/4/10 was clearly better as it eliminates 3 of the 4 "best positions" while securing your early road, since you go first with a road in hand, your 3:1 would be guaranteed
You only get resources from your second placement so you're not starting with a free road. And you allow 5/9/12 with a strong wheat/sheep for an amazing OWS setup. It's just much better to have less ore in the game when you're the OWS player
Definitely would not say that’s “clearly” better. It’s debatable. I still agree with the video- a strong ore placement is very good
Honestly never would have considered your first pick. But I’m glad you broke down the strategy for your consideration. You’ve changed my game for the better!
Thanks for watching! I’m glad I could help!
I was looking at the 10/5/4, because there is a lot of wheat/sheep on this board, and a lot of spots to get a piece of that with decent production at the end. I couldn't figure out how to make the ports work well, and that's when I realized this board is setup incorrectly. The ports are screwed up, the 3:1 port and the brick (?) port are adjacent, and you should never have that. There would probably be more good road direction for the 10/5/4 to secure a port if the ports had been built correctly
I would have gone for the 8/4/10 like some other people mentioned but also because it's near the wheat port that adjoins with 2 tiles instead of just 1. as well, with all the wheat spots available it would be easy to get a good supply of wheat and make great use of the port to compensate for the low ore depending on what gets taken. I did overlook the fact that it would be a prime target for the robber however. I definitely see what you're getting at for the 5/9/10 though.
Dylighted I was playing with my parents yesterday and I tried to play a wood brick style game. Could you make a video where you try and use that strategy rather than ore wheat sheep? Thanks!
Rori Thetiger I promise that’s on my to-do list! There’s currently a lot going on. Trying my best to keep up!
Picked it as well.
You added some reasons for me, but mainly the reason (besides it being a strong point of course) is that the ore and brick are sparse in this board, which means your trade options will be good.
Perfect! Agree with those reason also.
I'm personally a fan of 4, 5, 10. I think, despite there being 2 strong wood spots, first player will have an impossible time getting any wood if they don't get it with their first placement. Having no wood (or no brick) is, imo, much worse than having one of your two expansion directions blocked. I agree that having all 5 resources is overrated, but mostly on this board sacrificing sheep or wheat (or sheep in general boards) is okay relative to sacrificing wood. I'd love to see data on which ends up better statistically.
4/5/10 is also interesting because it blocks access to 9/5/10 and 10/4/8--two of the contenders for best spots.
But it certainly has it's downsides. It doesn't have good port options, and it shares the ore with other players.
I wonder though about people wanting to place anything south of that spot. They’d be building on the coast to reach the resources and as you said, there isn’t great options for port. I feel like you are monopolizing the brick spot while also detecting much of the ore to people outside of the 5-9-12 spot.
I think with so much wood on the board, you can trade for what you need/steal with knights
The main problem with the 4 5 10 is where other people place- you end up giving much better ore spots to 2nd, 3rd, and 4th than they otherwise would have gotten, which means that they end up as much stiffer competition.
I agree. Wool is grouped with wheat everywhere, so you will almost definitely be able to get both later, but if you don't start with wood you won't be able to get it on your second placement without giving up at least access to wheat.
I would have taken the 4/5/10, but that's because I generally play 3 player games where road building is much more important. For a 4-player game, I can definitely see your point about prioritising ore. (And 4/10 isn't that reliable for road building anyway.)
Everytime i watch an analysis i want to play a game of catan :D
Paused at 0:17 - MY thoughts: Wood and Wheat are plenty (but the wheat has both 8 and 6 on the corners, so wood will probably be the more dominant resource early on). Both Wood and Wheat ports are on a 8 of that resource, so anyone getting a dominant position here will probably stop trading those resources with players later on. Brick is gonna be of real shortage (and thus valuable for early expansion) while wood should be available in trades if needed. Ore isn't that bad in terms of numbers, but it is cramped up and so there are only very few good settlement spots available. Missing out at the beginning might see you blocked for the rest of the game. Sheep are also on the rare side despite a nice distributions accross the board but the 5 is cornered at the ocean, the desert and a 2 wheat, the 3 and 12 are low production and the 9 will be quite contested...
In terms of borders there is plenty wood/brick (9 settlement spots) and sheep/wheat (8) combinations, there is no sheep/brick border.
MY conclusion: I want a good brick field (10 or 4), not get blocked from the ore, and a chance at the remaining resources in my second turn. So I would go with the 4/5/10 (ore/wood/brick) and hope for a reasonable wheat/ sheep combo.
Edit: Okay, so getting cut off is a risk in my strat I did not consider. Also I am kind of a fan of the "try and get all resources" strategy, and I also never fancied going heavy on development cards. Your explanations did make sense and getting more ore and locking 2 players out is definitely more powerful than getting a weak wood in a game where (like I wrote before, wood should be plentiful (especially among players 3 and 4). Thanks for the detailed analysis. :-)
The 4/5/10 isn’t a bad pick! Glad you could think it through!
a key point though, is that it's got clay instead or wheat or whatever. you can pick a strong ore spot, but not if you end up missing out on both wood and clay. In my experience having no wood nor clay in the early game leads to no expansion at all, meaning that you won't ever be able to capitalize on your ore.
wow I would have picked the 8-4-3 wheat lumber sheep spot, this was a great video to expand my thought process!
I'm so glad you could keep an open mind and this was able to help you out!
I think I would've gone for thw 4, 5, 10 position right next to the one you chose. Then built road down to wheat 8. It's a bit more greedy. But I'd argue noone would fuck up your road.
+ The port on the Brick 10 will be contested by anyone picking the 4, 8, 10 spot.
@George Pierce - Why would you go for the wheat port if you had a chance at the 10/8 port that is a generic? If you go 4/3/8 and then to the wheat port you are literally getting a 2-point wheat port. If you go for the 3:1 port it is a 3-point brick/5-point wheat location.
@George Pierce - The problem there is that the player placing 4/3/8 is not going to go for a 2-production wheat port unless they are an idiot or it is their 3rd or 4th expansion spot. What is infinitely more likely, is that they are going to be placing on one of the open wood/brick spots for their second City, since they do need brick still, and having a free road to cut you off. Since you can't place on wood/brick second yourself, you will never beat them to the port, meaning they have wasted your road. If I know I am getting a road first turn, I'm not going to care if I am "racing" someone else for a port, because there isn't any way I lose it unless you literally forsake wheat production AND going low ore. The only way you beat me to the port is if you take wood/brick again on your second town...
The 9/5/10 was what I would have done. I formulated my reasoning slightly differently: The 6's and 8's are on Wood and Wheat, which have some other okay numbers too. So the rare resources are going to be Ore and Brick. That sort of augments reason #3 on this board
You got it! The reasoning is totally valid!
That was pretty similar to my thinking. With all the good wheat and log, I figured you can't go wrong dominating the rarer resources early, and having both good ore numbers will allow for good city building, development cards, and trading with other players.
As an experienced Catan player I'm intrigued by many of the reasons, and I learned a lot. You will never be able to find reasons like this in such a short time in a real game though. But my inital pick was also this spot, simply because of the strong wheats on the board. Sheeps I usually don't worry about. Sheep is least needed, and players always dump their sheep in trades.
I picked the 4/5/10 just to the right of your placement. And I would probably aim the road toward the 8/10/3:1 port, which is a very strong 3rd settlement and unlikely to be taken by players 2-4 who usually get all the 3 tile settlements off the bat. But aiming toward the 9/10 makes sense too, especially if you want to build an army. Plus, going 4/5/10 still gets you onto the best ore tile on the board. And this placement gets you 3 pips of wood and brick each, which means that road production should be consistent for you, and that gives you the flexibility to build in the direction necessary (going first/last can often result in limited expansion room, so road building is critical, as even tall strategies require that you get at least one more settlement). It also blocks the 5/9/10 and 4/8/10 from being settled by your opponents, which would have been 2 11-pip settlements for them.
You make a lot of good points. Though my personal opinion is that 5/9/10 and 4/5/10 are almost equal as best choice. Although 5/9/10 may be better producing and also uniquely influence players in certain ways depending on placements, 4/5/10 still has a strong ore supply but also much easier road building and access to that good junction in the southeast. In some games I've played, not being able to expand enough balanced out the benefit of all the ore I was producing, which is even more of a setback if everyone else gets production development throughout the game. 5/9/10 is certainly better for the endgame but I've been in games where good early development can outpace the point where the endgame advantage benefits the player who goes for that. I might even argue that between the two options, it depends on who you're playing with and/or what their priorities are. If you're playing with casual players or people that don't prioritize resource productivity, then 5/9/10 is better. However, if the opponents are well seasoned and prioritize ore and development more than resources and expansion, then 4/5/10 could be better because not only would you outpace the main ore player, you also force them on 5/9/12 where they get more ore but the 12 hex is nearly useless; and 5/6/11 is too easily locked in. There are of course a number of other reasons how 4/5/10 may be as good as 5/9/10 but I just mentioned the main ones. I can also see how some folks see potential in 4/8/10 because of the huge expansion opportunities and having the right port for a critical hex, but the downsides are the lack of ore and robber targeting.
How about taking the 6-4-3 wood and two brick spot? Point your road upwards and try and get the 8-4 port, looks like wheat. You would dominate wood and brick production, would easily get longest road, and should have plenty of potential for trades, even if its just with the bank.
I always hate being in 1st position because so much is riding on your decision. Thanks for sharing your strategies.
It's nice to hear the 10 reasons. I had most of them but the road for #5 was interesting to think about and anticipate the reactions from the other players. Some quality work you go there :P
5/4/10 Street left detection.
Reasoning: u will win most likely any race for the 9/10, if someone tries.
And the odds are quite good that you are getting a reasonable wheat/sheep spot for you second settlement.
Sounds like the strongest setup.
I choose the same spot, but I didn't have as many reasons that you gave. Very insightful.
Id still go for the 8/4/10. Nice complimentary port. As you said before high chance of doubling wheat production and getting a nice sheep. If your lucky you can claim some left over ore spots.
I would pick the 4/8/10 spot for easier early game road and settlement which leads to quicker development. But I suppose your pick has more advantage in the late game. And the overrated all 5 resources really makes me think, cuz I always prioritize getting all 5. Really great video, love the concept.
I personally would pick the 8/4/3 or 6/4/3 wood brick brick option mainly because I try to get a third settlement up ASAP and bricks will likely be a limiting factor. Second spot would likely have a focus on sheep and grain.
My family however kinda plays with 2 house rules where even with 4 players we use the 5-6 player board and has a 2 rule where you can't have one settlement an odd number away from the first settlement which was intended to try and keep the map a but more open mainly because games sometimes started talking too long due to a lack of resources being generated and lack of expantion options being often a problem.
Interesting how rules and picks. Thanks for sharing!
I chose the 5-4-10 because it blocks the strong settles to its left and right and is strong in itsself
That’s a fine alternative!
If Player 1 goes for that 5,9,10 ore spot, i d love to be player 2 going for the 4, 10, 8 spot and starving player one for wheat. As players will likely pick up the 6,5,11 ore spot as well, i would be better of not getting that myself, as it would lead me to always fall behind player 1. Also i could easily challenge the 3v1 harbour on the border, potentially even roading around player 1 to get to the coastal 9 ore spot. If the wheat isn't taken, i could also go for wheat, which would force player 1 to go to the wheat harbour spot to the right. If the wheat is already overcrowded i could easily go into that road building game i just mentioned earlier.
I think the problem with going 4/8/10 as P2 is you won’t be able to have really strong wood/brick and sheep. If you end up choosing wood brick you prob won’t get road since your settles would be really far apart. If you go for sheep, you won’t really have good ore for dev cards and it’ll be hard to get wood/brick with only a 4/10 especially when there’s such strong wood left on the board, there will be a stronger road player. Plus you leave the good ore open and it’s easier to find complements to 5/6/11 as 3rd or 4th pick
Going off what Volume said, it's likely that 4th is going to end up taking the 8 3 wheat port as their final pick. You may not want to race 1st for OWS, but do you want to leave those spots to the other players and go without ore entirely? You're essentially sacrificing the 6 points of ore for the ability to build some occasional roads
It’s great to pick a first position when you get to pick first, but I never get to pick first.
wouldn't the road building @ 3:06 be a bad idea? I think it would actually make the 6-5-12 position more likely as that player will have a better chance of winning that road race. Your second village will need grain and the 4-8-10 spot will be taken before that for sure. Thus you will start with wood and brick, and will probably struggle with getting those early. Beat the race and you waste a road that's pretty expensive with your positions?
Gee, I might roll the dice and take the 8/4/3 spot, with one wood and two brick. It never hurts to dominate production of wood and brick, IMO.
Ha ha ha! This comment is froma previous viewing. Interesting to see that I still came back to this spot after 2 years ! Of course, this might be why I suck at Catan....
Brilliantly argued. You make great videos, honestly. Long time catan player, not a pro, but play hard, and this is only my 2nd vid but I've learnt a bunch already
You're eloquent and got a lot of clarity. It sounds a bit like you stumble or unsure of yourself when recording so I just want to emphasise how good your content is and hope you feel confident about it :D
How'd you learn all this btw? Play pro? Read a lot? Just devoted and spent a lot of time to explaining?
Thank you for the kind words! I genuinely appreciate it.
I stumble a lot when recording haha and it takes me a ton of tries to get right. Only with editing does it sound smooth.
I learned by playing a game and always asking myself questions on why I lost? What could I have done better? What could I have improved?
I’d go more specific. How could I have optimized my placements? How could I have optimized my trading? How could I have prevented X from happening? Why did I lose my win condition?
I wrote myself an actual essay every time I lost, and it gained me a strong understanding of the game. Nowadays, I learn through other top players who kindly share their private knowledge with me, and I return the favor.
@@DyLightedCatan Wow, it's so heartwarming and humbling to hear other's methods for learning and how much effort it took. Helpful for asking the right questions too. Writing essays is totally something I'd do! Glad to hear I'm not alone haha and definitely reassuring. Your effort really paid off :)
TheShamansQuestion Thank you!
As a vet player I appreciate you teaching the next gen these tactics
Hahaha I’m doing my best!
Yay I chose the same spot! I definitely like to try and get the best monopoly on rarer resources, in the hopes that I can force more trades 🥰
I would've chosen 8/4/10 because you have the resources to build a second road piece to get more toward the ore. And as they say no wheat = defeat.
In this game no matter how hard you think the game depends on initial few roles and early knight placement if someone roles 7...
4/3/6 at the pause, looks like a shortage of brick with only 8 points. Maybe still go for the brick port because you still have 5/8 points brick. You also start off with a blocking settlement which could be good or bad. Going to need some Ore on the second placement.
23 years ago i played a city builder so i have learn to defend that.
Depends man, i choose 5,4,10. If u play with 3 people who knows how to play the will leave u without good spots for wheat, and with no wheat u cant build city, town or development card, so your rocks dont have no sense. My second move will be maybe on 8,3 or 5,10. Maybe if u play with people who dont where too put, thats the right spot
This was under the assumption this is a 4 player game. It changes a lot if it's 3 players!
@@DyLightedCatan yup but the best and real games are from 4 players.
I picked 8,4,3, not as many pips but look how close it is to the brick port with an auto road in hand to start the game. While everyone else is scrapping for the 11 pip spots, I'd be fairly confident that I could pick up any other 1 resource on the board, 2 if everyone else did the "logical" thing. Sure I don't have as many pips, but a hit on my numbers is a total boon, and my spread is a little better.
If I went after no 1, I might go for 6,5,12 and then either 12,9 wood port or 8,4,10 to try and lock down 1st player. I tend to place based on the information that the players before me give. If I can lock a player out of the game it means I really have only 2 opponents. I do this with a strong win condition in mind like longest Rd or aggressive port trading.
I find it pays to play the meta rather than do the "logical" thing.
You only get the auto road if you have a wood/brick hex touching your SECOND city, so picking there first doesn't guarantee the road.
Without seeing the video. I either pick 10/5/4 or 8/4/3. Brick and ore are rare resources so I would go for the first one. The second gives me an uncontested brick port though.
how do you calculate the points of 9-5-10 as 11 points?
I only saw "There isn't much ore on the board, so I'll want either the 9/5/10 or the 9/5/12, and a 10 log seems better than a 12 sheep."
Well I'm glad I could give more reasons!
I mean even though I am only a casual player I didn't expect that heavy ore strategy is the preferred one. I would have gone for the 6/4/3 (or 4/8/10) spot with an expansion strategy. Which would likely work since there are multiple good wheat sheep spots so it should be possible to still get one. Also brick will be the rarest resource so getting the best spot for brick seems nice.
I guess that's the difference between casual and professional.
Thanks for the thoughts! It’s that heavy ore strategies tend to be a bit more consistent than other ones.
I don’t love any spot but would choose 5,9,10. I may be way wrong but I’ve only just started playing.
Ore is not rare but taking the 9/5/10 makes it rare and there's plenty of wheat/sheep around so there's no rush. That's as far as I thought.
Well done!
"Hi, I'm delighted" HAHAHAHHAHAH I fkn lost it
Thanks haha
im thinking double ore + brick ... ore is valuable and that spot dominates this boards ore production, plus all the other good numbers have a ruined hex low number desert etc but i havent played base catan in at least 10 years so i might not be correctly evalueating the resources
Why not get the 8 4 3 / wood brick brick -> fast road to coast for 2:1 trade?
You leave the strong ore spots left to other players (reason 10) and when it gets back to you, you’ll lose your ore spots and won’t have enough space to fight for longest road.
I would have picked the 4/5/10, but I agree this is better
Thanks! I glad this video could change your mind.
At the start, idk how many people are in the game or if expansions are being used.
9/5/10, has the rarest resources on the board available with pretty good numbers. High chance people will trade with me for other resources and it is also close to a 3:1 harbor.
Oh looks like I guessed it right. Do have some winstreaks playing Catan with my family for a reason I guess XD
My problem with the spot is that half of your production will be iron, a resource that is completely useless for the first half of the game. If you instead took the 4/8/10 you would have wood, bricks and wheat allowing you to more easily race other players for a good third settlement in the center of the board. With 9/5/10 you will be drowning in iron that nobody wants that you can only trade 4 for 1 with the bank because chances are it will take some time before you can grab a port
I suck at this game but I immediately picked that spot
You’re probably not as bad as you think! Great job!
How about the 4-5-10? You get balanced wood-brick ratio and we can probably still get the 9 ore
The main reason I see is that it gives all of your opponents better ore. Given that they will be placing their second settlements before you, it means they end up having a better game than you will
10/11/9 for development cards
these are genuinely good tips.
Thank you! I try my best!
during the pause time, I picked the 5/4/10 next to the 9/5/10. Thank you so much for the explanations!
I picked this one too. After watching, I do think I like his pick a little more, but the 5/4/10 does prevent any other players from taking to 9/5/10. He says that another player could block you off from the positions you would naturally want to expand to, but they do so at a pretty hefty cost to their own development.
If I couldn’t choose the 9/5/10, this is where I would go next! Good job anyways!
Hey are you able to do starting placement analysis for the default board in Catan Universe? The one which you always play on when you play a free game. I would much appreciate it. Love the vids
Thanks for the idea! Perhaps one day I'll do it. Right now there's a lot of different things I want to do so we'll see.
For longest road, 643 or 843
I don't think you're allowed to change where you point your road like you seem to do in this video though
I picked 6-11-5 the #2 players spot. The strong wood enticed me. Not the right play though.
Would you consider a settle on the 12/6/5 and point the road to the wood port (which once settled will also get you ore)? 2nd player who will go on the 9/5/10 is unlikely to contest the wood port.
I think it’s worth considering, but due to reason 10 (someone else will get the spot), I feel like you’re forced to take the 9/5/10.
@@DyLightedCatan Thank you for your response and that's a really important point. Keep making awesome videos!
Of course! Thanks!!
Hi, Dylighted!
Thanks for videos. I think it becomes less interesting because everyone chooses the first place with Ore. And who takes it probably wins. I wonder, what do you think about it.
Whoa! If everyone is taking ore and winning, then the people at the table need to adapt and rob the person with ore. OWS (ore wheat sheep) is strong, but I can assure you there are tons of counter measures on taking down OWS. Good luck!
If this game was solved, I wouldn’t be playing or making strategy videos!
I have a lot to learn, but that is why I'm here
I love that mindset :). There’s tons more to learn on my channel!
Strong ore production is better than the five resource setup.
I picked 8/4/10 beacuse:
Wheet is on number 8, which means that they are high chanses that I will often get it.
I already have wood and clay, so I could also be able to start building roads
I am very close to sheeps, and with them, I can start building villages. But beacuse of weat that I would probably have many, I belive I will be able to trade it with other players
And finally, l would be able to get stone with a little bit of luck, and then i would be able to make cities faster( i would probably have TONS of weed)
Great way of thinking
What do you mean by (11 points) for highest scoring? How are those calculated?
Good question! Production points are the little dots below the numbers. To find the totally production we add up the total “dots.” The more dots there are the more likely it is to roll.
@@DyLightedCatan I've never seen those dots before, I always thought people for some reason just knew the odds for two dice
@@Youcanpokemyballs Those dots are on all the newer printings of the game (the last 10+ years), and the online versions. They represent how many times out of 36 rolls that number should be rolled, on average.
Adding up the dots is a good way to get a sense for how strong a spot is to build on, as DyLighted talked about it here.
I will take the 5/4/10 to get the 5 resource setup, which is critical.
Where can I learn how to calculate the production number of positions?
What would the strategies be for players 3 and 4, seeing as they can get no access to ore after player 2?
Generally going for high production or a longest road setup is fine.
Why is your board laid out like this? I play online and it's a very different layout
Somehow i immediately saw the 9-5-10 as the best spot. No reasoning, just a gut feeling
great vid
Thank you! I appreciate it!
10 - 5 - 4 for me building towards the 8 wheat
That’s a fine alternative!
What’s the song that plays at the end lol?
4/3/6 with Wood/Brick/Brick OP here
10 - 8 - 4 is the right spot for the 1st player. The.thing is when you play first you must simply pick the best spot with 3 different resources. It is very crucial cause you don't know with what spot you will end up in the end. Although it seems that in this particular map you have some chance to get sheep and stachy you still can't be sure. Also if you get at the end a spot like 10 - 5 - 2 you will end depending on simply 3 numbers. Also being the ore King doesn't n necessarily mean something. Other players can shut you down simply by using the robber on you stachy or sheep. So you will end up giving 4 ore to the bank every round.
That would also have been my pick, I find it interesting that apparently many catan players online prioritise iron and wheat rather than wood and stone, it might be the aggresive playstyle my family uses but most of them go for wood and stone and i would fear to be closed in and dont get enough spots to get enough points even with biggest army. Then again we have a large family and usually play with 5 or 6 players and going for twelve points is harder than 10 if you only get a couple spots. Personally i would go for the 8/4/10 spot with the grain harbour and potentially the 3:1 on the south, I feel like it is not as impossible to win with low iron as some, especially if some trade some iron early for good prices against wood or iron if they want to get some space. again maybe just my personal experience within my family and the fact that on this map there is no really good complement are decent arguments (of course given the fact that you are last to place the second spot chances are slim you get a good complement anyway)
I would pick the 10-8-4 every day of the week. Wheat is so powerful since it's used more often than wheat. Moreover, picking the 10-9-5 spot might assure you a wheat spot, but it likely won't be very good.
5-4-10 the first position?
Do you feel like adding the cities and knights expansion would change your decision here?
Good question. Unfortunately, I'm quite inexperienced at cities and knights. I don't know the answer.
I'd be mighty tempted to go 6-5-11 if this were Cities and Knights
@@trippjs With the wood I think that makes a lot of sense!
Makes lots of sense thanks guys. Using paper gained from the 6 wood there to upgrade your science could provide a big benefit.
I played a game where there were low ore production on the board and I was the first choosing! I picked up the ore spot but I endend up losing! What do u do in these situations?
Great question! Here's a game where I play with low ore. I hope it can help out! ua-cam.com/video/QxH4oPo1cP0/v-deo.html
DylLighted - Catan Wow thanks! But I have another question 😅 Is it good or not to have settlement on the same number? Like 6 sheep and 6 ore? Or it depends on the resource?
Great question! Basically you would want coordinated numbers for resources that pair together like wood and brick, or Ore and wheat. Other than that it’s usually beneficial to not have the resources coordinated. Hope this helps.
DylLighted - Catan That was what I thought! Thank u 🙏
Where do you place initial road