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There at the end you said that you said your hand was "full of wood and ore," which would have been misleading, but arguably true, but you actually said it was "all wood and ore" which was just false.
Of course lying is part of the game, but I don't think it's fair to blame blue and black for not trusting you. For all they know you're on 8 VP's with 2-3 dev cards, which is just as scary as purple.
Yeah i didnt lile the way Dyl played, dirty
“All wood, ore” pretty much means “full of wood, ore” in catan
Tbh whether or not it counts as a lie is open for interpretation. It is a technically a lie cause it's not litterally 'ALL' wood ore. But frequently people generalize things and say 'all', 'full of', when it's not 100% but the vast majority. Like "wow, only 6s rolled this game" when 4 out of 5 first rolls are 6s. In fact, he is revealing what his hand is generally speaking looking like (without giving the exact details) - so blue was most likely to get a wood or ore. But still, it's technically a lie. In contrast to the common response that Dylan would give when someone would ask 'dylan do you have a sheep' Dylan would respond 'I spent my sheep' which is technically true, although he didn't spend all of it. Generally speaking, though, when someone says 'I spent my sheep', they mean they spent all of it. But technically, that's not the meaning. Tl;dr Dylan technically lied in a statement that could be interpreted as truthful, while you generally want to technically speak the truth that can be interpreted as a lie. It's easier to defend.
Still, I think Dylan should've responded more emotionally about the sheep instead of only responding to the lying accusation. If he was like "damn it, you stole litterally the only sheep, I really needed that. Now I litterally have only wood-ore". Then people would see dylan as sort of a victim of bad luck and by now saying litterally, it puts a contrast to his previous statement that was a generalization and not a straight up lie.
@@poro3246 all wood ore means all wood ore… if he said “basically all wood ore”, he’d have a leg to stand on, but he didnt.
@@poro3246 Words matter a lot in this position, because it determines what they think they are stealing from you. It was a white lie for sure
Purple just table talked way more effectively than you to manipulate the other players against you.
He was really calm and smooth with it which combatted well against Dylan’s aggressive table talk especially once they caught him in that one lie early.
Dylighted also lied about the sheep, which killed any future table talking from occurring in his favor
Dylighted lies all the time, there's no reason to ever believe him
Yeah, I've seen the exact same thing happen to him before where he says he doesn't have a card and then it gets jacked.
Yup. He also lies about non-blocks, future trades, whether he's trading for a city or not and so on. I get that table talk is part of this game, but in my mind, and probably also many other people's, he's fundamentally untrustworthy, and I think that hurts his game more often than it helps.
Good to see a game where your table doesnt just give you everything you ask for.
Lol I've watched everyone of his catan videos and that has only happened once. More often than not he gets gang robbed cause he's a youtuber.
It would be interesting if you could explain at the start of a tournament series how the progression works, because I've noticed that losing a game doesn't immediately mean you're out?
Think it's about wins and VP's over x amount of game. A lot like poker tournaments.
There is a qualifying stage where you play 3 games, top players ranked first by wins then vps go to the semi finals.
@@marijnlastname3132 How is that like a poker tournament at all? Poker tournaments are more like a Monopoly game where players play until they are eliminated and then get paid a prize based upon their placement.
@@Ohrami yes, not at all like poker. More like Mahjong i think
@@Ohrami I thought a lot of the bigger ones were about collecting points aka cash at a tournament till you're invited to one of the bigger tables aka moving up in the bracket. Might just be my idiot brain thinking though
The intro talking over an exasperated DyLighted ranting in the background was *chef's kiss*
10:56 really confused why you don’t yop for the road settle
9:25 game losing lie according to blue and black lol
it's super impressive how fast you can put these out, keep it up!
just so you know, the colors of the subtitles have been miscoordinated with the players' colors in the last couple vids. please keep the vids coming tho!
For players that are new to catan, if they tried to trade and extort the way you do, there’s no chance they would win, everyone would turn against them. The game is played completely different between beginners and pros and I think that’s something you should disclaim while playing
Dylighted, at 11:04 min, why did you buy a Dev Card and build a road instead of the year of plenty for a brick and wheat, for a road and a settlement?
Cause he said he didn't have settle for settle but he did.
Didn't want to get caught lying again
Nice game! Really think you should have used the YOP to settle on the 6/11 instead of buying a D, if you're not planning on playing the knight anyways. Would have granted you to ekstra bricks right away afterwards.
Then you used the YOP later for the same thing - missing out on two bricks risking getting to get cut off in the meantime
Right? I was thinking the same thing. I don't understand why he didn't do that, especially with how he mentions lightblue could cut him off, and potentially has a road building.
Soooooooo true doesn’t make any sense why would u put yourself in such a situation and be scared of getting cut off for a dev that isn’t helpful anyways …
Dylan seems to take D card over settle way too often. Probably because people block him constantly, so he needs knights to play defensively.
Good work! But i think you do need to remember that many people see misdirection like that as lying!
I'm so confused. Why road-settle on the sheep port desert instead of the 8-3 wood/sheep?
The sheep port is useless to your position.
Rare desert strategy
I agree but I think the thinking is it gives him backdoor road out
Probably because wheat was consistently blocked since he had settlement + city there, so he needed to port his excess sheep for dev cards.
I think you should've used yop for 2 brick after trading 1ore for 1wheat... Then road Settle on 3:1 port
yeah seemed like a missed opportunity
Purple's second pick was so good. The road road settle at 21:27 should have been to the 8 3.
9:31 "My hand is all wood ore"
Dylan goes through all the stages of manipulation. I didn't do it. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it was, you deserved it cause that's typical play. This is what high-level of Catan is about.
You had my upvote until the last sentence. Not sure if you were still quoting Dylan, but if you weren’t, that’s false because lying is exactly what caused his loss in the end
@@markmalburg8469 lying didn't cause the loss. Getting caught lying caused the loss. 83% of the time that lie pushes him closer to the win.
Lying is part of the game for sure. At this level you can't win if you never bluff.
@@ZZubZZero I think we as a community need to decide what we think is okay. IMO there should be/and usually is generally accepted etiquette that lying isn't okay. Bluffing, and lying are different. Underplaying your own position or overstating someone else's seems like a bluff. Outright lying should be frowned upon. I think part of the reason why the non-binding rules exist in tournament play are so that we can maintain integrity of the community. However, if we choose to self-regulate by not playing with liars, then we will open up many doors to the gameplay that haven't been previously explored. While the lines of what is and isn't acceptable are likely impossible to define thourouhly, I think we can agree on some things. Dylan is an ambasidor for us and our game, and he should try to act in good taste when possible. We don't want a scumbag at the top to represent us. This seemed in poor taste. That said, I still support him and believe has room to grow.
@@808pierce Disagree. Bluffing is lying. Lying is bluffing. Not always the same exactly, but they're very close.
Why shouldn't you be able to lie? You can say whatever you want, whether or not people believe you is up to them.
Plus, how are you gonna check if someone's lying? And if you'd make it illegal how are you gonna enforce it??
As we saw, lying doesn't always help you but can even hurt you. The self regulation is already there. If you lie about what cards you have and you get caught, your reputation for the game is shot.
Funny how those guys are so upset for "lying throughout the game" eventhough it was a single lie. While not classy, ironically that makes them liars as well since you only lied once. Framing that as "lying throughout the game" is just as deceitful.
Camera desync is crazy
I didn't think that was really a lie. Saying your hand is all wood and sheep when it's 5/6 true is true enough for catan.
The other players saying you were lying the whole game was just their own coping mechanism for not reading purples threat level correctly
Not really. All wood and ore means it's only wood and ore imo. Nothing else.
They did take that one sheep very seriously though, that's true.
@@ZZubZZero People often use “all” as emphasis and not in the literal meaning
@@ZZubZZero Tell me you have limited social skills without telling me. Not that it isn't a given since you're getting defensive about a "lie" over a board game you're not even playing.
@@ZzZ-qd1zo Lol wtf are you on about 😂
Tell me you have even less social skills because you're getting angry over a month old comment on a game I am playing but you're definitely not.
This is exactly it! So many comments are agreeing he lied, when he obviously didn't. When 5/6 of your cards are ore and wood, what are you supposed to say? Spell it all out within the timer? Anyone would say it's all ore and wood. It was definitely their coping mechanism for failing to read purple.
Honestly this is why it’s hard being a famous player, everyone is by default on edge to play against you, and perceived grievances become mountains out of molehills
this video taught me a lot about the communication side of the game for sure. When i used to play on a board with my family we were always super secretive about everything so this is a new way of playing for me.
It was so bad that he stole your sheep instead of one of the other cards. Made him super mad at you and took away a card you needed to settle.
Trying to trade for the Brick at 8:00 was a long shot, but why not try for a Wheat? If you got the Wheat you could have played YoP for 2x Brick and still gotten the Road-Settle on the 3:1 port, plowing Purple.
No one had wheat at that point, at least according to the on screen chat
Yo Dylan, thanks so much for so many videos! Really like to watch these. Thanks for adding the chat too, but just one small question, could you make it so more messages are displayed at once?
For example by making the text a little smaller, or moving the name a bit more to the left so the space is used more efficiently. Right now it's hard to read a message completely before another pops up and pushes it out of sight
Im surprised you didnt try offering ore for wheat so that you could plow purple by using the yop for 2 brick.
Also just as a person you cant grt caught lieing and then get all defensive about it. Thats manipulation. Just own up to it and move forward. Nothing is more unbecomijg than people who say crazy things to defend themselves.
I will say what you said wasn't that untrue. You said your hand was full of wood and ore. Which is true. 6/7 of your hand was wood and ore so your statement is true.
Didnt he say it was all ore and wood? Which is different from full of.
@@deanbarretto1674 Yep ... he said "all wood and sheep" and at 22:30 admits "I did lie about the sheep"
Dylan’s favorite word is “this”.
love your videos dylin keep it up man
Bro had like 1 sheep out of 8 cards and they saying he a liar
“My hand is all ore and wood” - quite clearly a lie, reason he lost the game
Yeah better play with open hands so we cannot lie about such stuff anymore. Delusional
I've been waiting for this video ALL DAY. I had to watch DandyDrew earlier as a substitute xD
I feel you bruh they were targeting you instead of playing actual game. They couldn’t stop you but it let purple go free
That's part of the game at high level though. Just like with poker. You need to play the person as well as the game.
Some people want to be butt hurt because they're position is bad, is when table talking doesn't really work, since the game becomes not about them trying to win, but about their feelings.
thats not fair they didnt became but hurt they are just trying to win and they dont believe dylan is being honesty about the 2 knights
You REALLY need to listen to black and blue on this one. You tried to angle way too much and it bit you.
Boo this comment
"I'll just straight up tell you my two Ds, you can still jack me here"
Gotta love how Catan talk sounds out of context.
Dylan going from good trustful person who doesnt like because of principle to a sneaky liar bites him back.
Lol, half lies once and gets pegged as a lier the entire game and they all loose because of it. Playing with your emotions can be dangerous.
De-Lie-ted. Technically you said "It's all wood, ore"... but you know, you could say you got cut off and couldn't finish your sentence :P
11:40 why did you not road-settle and city?
He loses a wheat settling so he can’t road settle and city. But he could do one or the other. I think he should have yop a brick and sheep, then road settle. Then a 6 gives him city.
Ha I think the table is right here
I think they definitely pounced on you about "lying". They put the threat on you and it definitely influenced a crucial block at the end. That being said, purple trying to turn it into some catan morality lesson about "lying throughout the game" at the end was dumb. You misled them once sure but to say you lied and that's the reason you lost is just inaccurate. Also dirty mono is 100% part of the game . I can't imagine getting on someone's case in a tournament for actual money the way they did this game.
Everyone's wrong and everyone's right. It made complete sense to believe you at the end and I think blue was salty and blundered that block. Purple was stronger on that rotation for sure, but also their 6 gets unblocked anyway so it's still a tough situation. Deception is part of the game but you can't always expect everyone to agree with that. I think they really took advantage of the situation and it put a huge target on you.
It very much reminds me of the show Survivor where the people you vote out are the ones who vote for the winner. You can't just be ruthless and expect everyone to respect that and vote for you to win at the end. You always have to play the board, but also the people too. Regardless, great game and I still think you're the goat.
I think purple was actually trying to teach Dylan the survivor lesson which I agree with. Purple is a good player and he wasn’t personally upset with Dylan, but he pointed out that Dylan getting caught in that lie made the board not want to “vote” for him.
Not sure about the end, but purple wasn't dumb I think.
I do feel like it was an overreaction for sure, but also that purple used it really well to manipulate the others. I feel if he mentioned it more often it would've come across as whining, and he'd lose the support. If he mentioned it less he could've also lost the support of the other two. Not sure how purple actually felt about it of course, but he really played the players well.
Good insight. Being indignant about a 'dirty mono' in a competitive setting reminds me of people being morally outraged that others would play with alliances in the early days. How dare you try and win the game we're playing together. That perfectly legal move isn't how I would try and win...
@@ZZubZZero No I do agree with you. They said exactly what they needed to and nothing more. It was a good play on purple's part, but I wish they just owned up to it at the end instead of playing it off as if they won because they played honorably and Dylan lost because he was untrustworthy for misleading the table on a single turn. Just say you table-talked and manipulated blue at the end. I just didn't like purple playing it off like their hands were completely clean. That was my only issue with it, other than that extremely well played on their part.
@@Kyleslie2 Yes exactly!!!
8:00 ore for wheat would have been fine too. I‘d even have thought of giving both ore away if i werd you here
Not sure, but maybe he counted, and knew there was no wheat on the board anyway, not sure tho
@@watari6346 not sure though too, and as even Bo Peng isnt sure here I feel completely fine about that ^^
Except for pruple, it was quite a poor table, really. Light blue in particular was really bad. He had an extremely heavy ore setup, but no wheat at all, and despite being on paired 5s brick/wood, instead of aiming to the 6 wheat which was crucial for him, he went for the 3:1 first which wasn't a priority at all. He then left the 6-12 to Dylighted, who even blundered by not using the yop for brick/sheep and settle there instead of buying the dev.
No wonders he came up last.
6 12 was crucial for light blue.
21:23 Wouldn't it of been better, fundamentally, if you road road settle on the 83?
Lol I love the *Dylan coping" caption at the end, made the video for me.
I'm at 12:24 now, why didn't he just year of plenty for the settle instead of buying a dev? He says how scared he is of light blue having a road building or something and cutting him off, so why not take the spot when he could?
If you don’t mind me asking, how can you play Catan for real
Money? I have been trying to find something but couldn’t but I’m really happy to try to play for real money.
Does he stream on UA-cam only now? No twitch?
Oh man! Only thing they didn’t this game was call you Dy-lie-ted 😂
Where do you enter these turneys?
These guys played through their emotions from the second you lied about that one sheep and held it over you for the rest of your whole life.
I watched the name and knew sunset would win. What's funny is dylighted seems to be playing with the community without knowing who are the top players. Also your position was better then purple by a huge margin you could have been at an easy 9 with almost a city in hand or a road builder and take back road. Purple only winning shot was getting a vp and city because road road settle pull wasn't an option
21:46 y desert sheep port not the 8 3? Backdoor road?
Dyl you did lie, just own it.
You said your hand was all wood & ore, when you had a sheep.
5/6 wood sheep basically telling the truth, shouldn't ever get the sheep, the other players were just coping with letting purple win
@@dannythomas9583 its still a lie, cant blame them for not trusting 🤷♂️
I generally like you, but in this game you were insufferable 😂
You completely spoiled the result at 0:04 where you show the actual opponents and points.
So why settle on the sheep port?
While your possibly still the block eben with 2 knights, this is a perfect example on the disadvantages of lying, people stop trusting you in such vital positions.
It's weird that bluffing is totally accepted and respected in Poker but in Catan you're made into a total pariah for doing it!
In Poker manipulating is basically the MAIN mechanic of the game to change the outcome of. (if you leave card counting out) So it is accepted there because that IS the game.
In Catan manipulating, lying and playing dirty is not very much accepted because it's not what this game is ultimately about. There are way more mechanics and strategies to get to your win. And while lying and manipulation can be a way to get there, most Catan players play the game to have fun, making the best of their positions, playing on their strength and also playing and having fun together.
However since this is a cahs tournament, there is nothing wrong in playing dirty. It should be expected in any cash tournament I think.
🤷♂️
@@dojando6003 I would strongly disagree with "manipulating" not being a core part of the game. "Lying", maybe, but manipulation is there whether it's a family gathering or a competitive cash tourney. Table talk is a fundamental aspect to the game because trading is a fundamental aspect of the game.
Just like in life, there are gentle and masterful ways to manipulate. Parents manipulate children benevolently to manage their mood in the moment and to grow in a healthy direction. Councillors and therapists gently manipulate their clients towards healing. We all manipulate our friends to help them relax in troubling times, or to steer them away from bad decisions if we see them going off track. Manipulation is a fundamental part of human nature.
Now, you don't have to lie to table talk effectively. So I think I agree with the general premise you put forward that lying or bluffing isn't necessary in Catan and so is frowned on. However, the official rules themselves accept that lying is part of the game: "future trades are non-binding".
On reflection, I do think that there is a subtle difference between bluffing and lying. Bluffing is misrepresenting your position (your cards, your ability to win). In Catan, lying is when you say you'll do something and have no intention of doing it, or are not committed to following through on the agreement. I would argue that Dylan "bluffed" in this situation. He misrepresented the state of his hand to disincentivise getting robbed. As others have commented, a cleverer bluff than "My hand is ALL wood and ore" is "My hand is FULL OF wood and ore". But either way they're both bluffs, in my opinion.
@@Funglutton ah, sorry I forgot to answer but I want to say thank you for this great comment and I must say I do agree with you must never thought about it that way.
And I wanted to say that your argument was not unseen or just ignored. I just was busy at the time and afterwards completely forgot and now I it came back as a random thought before going to sleep ^^
@@dojando6003 hehe no worries. I never considered it this way until your comment, so all good!
I love Dylan ranting 😂😂😂😂
But yeah tough game.
Its a cash tournament, talking about morals on lying is trash from other players. If they were in your place, they would do it too.
“Lying throughout the game” literally lied once and it was like a tiny lie. One sheep in a hang of ore and wood. Smh
What is the platform he is playing on?
Bought it on Steam but its complety different design.
Literally the first thing in the video description my man
Dirty mono into the lose just feels... right. Like there might be a bit of justice in the world XD
Salty game
6 3 11 brick and 5 4 10, get sheep with 3:1 port
Caught lying and you wonder why you pissed off the table. Unbelievable.
Lying caught up with you this time. It's a waste. It's bad human behavior to boot.
TBF, if they know you and watch your videos they know you lie more often than just this 1 time, so I'd say maybe try to cool it a little bit with that.. You're a good player so you shouldn't need it.
Respect to these guys for calling out the lie and dirty mono. Keep the game more honest, people are getting carried away as of late.
To suggest that Dylan lied about his hand is ridiculous to me - there was only a 1/6 chance that the sheep gets stolen. I think Trissie lacked the tracking required to understand what Dylan was telling the table. Statistically, you were going to get either wood or ore when stealing from Dylan on that turn. Maybe Trissie was just taking Dylan's comments too literally, but I think suggesting Dylan was fundamentally a liar during that game was poor sportsmanship rather than fair table talk.
83 better than desert settle
Amizin is absolutely correct at the end
I agree with the players completely and have said this before about some of Dylan’s moves. Dylan’s style even after the game just doesn’t make him come across trustworthy. If you want to play that way, fine, but some players just aren’t going to want to work with you after that and they explained that to you calmly after the fact.
From an objective stand point, black and blue were not in a position to win, and they knew that. By the time it was end game, based on table talk+circumstances, black was more willing to see purple win than you when both you and purple were strong
purple is chill as hell
ever consider analyzing amateur submitted gammeplay..? could be neat :)
Just say NO to anything dylan proposes. #win 😂😂
Standard table talk is now lying I guess.
"My hand is ALL wood ore". Dude you are lying to YOURSELF now and telling yourself you are not lying. You DID lie.
I love your videos, they are interesting and fun. BUT PLEASE don't shit talk and say you did not lie when you did soooo obviously.
Don't stop crying and defending yourself when you get caught. Just accept it and move on man.
I dont blame you for lying. They attacked you from the start of the game. They knew you were the biggest threat in the game
Sunset is a more reknow player in the pro community.
Yeah yet another video where one guy is one roll from winning and they rob Dylan only to lose that rotation to the guy who was one roll from winning.
Damn, Dylighted with the bad manner on lying about that sheep. "I don't really lie." I'm actually glad he lost this game, he didn't play with honor.
Yeah, I kind of lost some respect for him this match. He crossed the line.
You must have missed the game where he gave insurance, but straight up refused to give the cards back.
@@scar6286 wait WHAT?!
these players are such BABIES crying about lying as if its not part of the game lmfao
Crying about lying is also part of the game, and occasionaly an effective winning tactic.
It doesn't sound or feel right that you are encouraging people to lie in order to win a game in order to get money.
shouldve mono'd the brick instead of sheep. wouldve got you about 7 ish brick that removes any road building from your opponents and gives you road. by buying 3 devs when you only need one knight, you screwed yourself. sometimes mono should be played simply to remove cards from your opponents, rather than boosting what you have
Doing a brick mono when he has 0 wood in hand, no chance to fight for road and essentially no where to build at all... Good advice, bro.
3 min still i am 3rd
LES GO DY
You downgrade your position way too much all the time it's a good beginners killer strategy. But when you start playing with some more good players they just catch up on it. You need to interact more with the table and work more deal NB,insurance,non steal, future something,extortion. Thing is when you get a small lead you dont do these deals and try do them when your way too far ahead or you start trading when your clearly leading wich is not working. You can also make deal like I wont be taking road this game wich make you way less of a threat. But you don't do that thinking that you are cuting your options but if thst what it take for black to steal from purple I would do it
So is he gonna delete this video cause he was lying
Easily the most obnoxious UA-camr on the platform
I’d have to side on the rest of the board as well about the lying situation. You have to build credibility in negotiations and by misdirecting, misleading, and getting caught in shady acts, you allowed purple to become the shining star on the board. Also, one thing I’ve learned from my day job and saw from this game is you played way too advanced for the board. One guy didn’t even know what insurance was, big red flag. That means you shouldn’t try to make too complex of trades otherwise you’re going to make people way too uncomfortable.
You played well and hopefully you make it to the semifinals!
It's a shame that the one lie in the beginning haunted you throughout the game. When it's 1/6 chance in getting sheep you were saying what they were probably going to get, my friends and family do it all the time. If they had just pulled an ore or wood than purple wouldn't have won so easily.
This is the Dylighted I don’t like. I wish he would have just taken it on the chin and said you caught me I was trying to pull a fast one but he just doubles down and then doubled down again if he is called out on it. I think it really hurts him in tournaments. I wouldn’t trust him if I was in a tournament with him.
yooooooo
tbh, Dylan doesn't usually lie but he does something worse which allows him to get an edge over normal players: Extortion. This is actually worse than lying. But both are obviously legal in the game of catan which is what makes Dylan such a good player.
Actually thinking about it, some extortion is actually lying. You could say "Trade me brick for a non-block" and the player agrees but you were never going to block them in the first place. THAT is extortion AND lying which Dylan often does but it's the only way to separate the greats from the good
Yes Dylan if I was in there position I would have done the same since you lied. I understand that some people are ok with it, but for me this is the worst offense and purple deserves the win.
3 mins so ill spoil it... he didnt win
11:24 year of plenty. 🧱 And 🌾 place road, settle then up for city.