I remember when El Guerrouj said that a hundred years from now the mile record would be less than two seconds faster than it is right now, I thought he was crazy but almost 21 years later no improvement. Greatest sports record of all time.
Shaving 30 seconds off a marathon is easy you have so much time to adjust, shaving 1 second on mile will be amazing, I was happy with just breaking 6 min mile haha 😂
It really is. I hit 4:25 in high school and was running againt people like Ian Dobson and Eric Logston, so they made me look like I was standing still. Yet even them weren't as fast as 55 seconds a lap. Truly insane.
The fastest I achieved was 5:24 at 16 and got back in shape after high school 5:28 at 25 I can't imagine Im 35 and would be winded if I tryed low 6s lol
I believe that is the main reason too not many pro’s chasing the mile, it probably helps also when you have someone really battling it out for the win too
Several years ago we attended a regional NCAA track meet in Arizona USA. At the mile run four contestants broke the four minute mile. One generation ago this would have made history but in the present day not an eyebrow was raised. We are in awe of the athletes in all fields and look forward to their thrilling performances in the future.
I feel like perhaps the most overlooked aspect of improving the mile world record (and any individual’s PR for that matter) is outright sprint speed. For some to average 54.6 per lap for a mile they would almost certainly have to be capable of a 46 second 400, maybe 47 low at worst. VERY few milers are capable of that, with Seb Coe being the closest I can think of. Additionally, they would require all the VO2 max and lactate threshold abilities previously mentioned. Who knows when we’ll see all that.
That One not to mention, Suppliments and nutrition has improved greatly! Athletes in college are spoilt man. Coaches are also smarter due to studying how coaches at the top do it.
I watched the Moroccan great throughout his career, and I think having equally talented rivals was a huge difference in his era. Those races were hell from the gun. A few reasons why I think that record will stand for another 50 years +. You have to commit to the distance over your entire career, and not move up for the kickers win. Second, Hicham is truly special, and when you combine that mind with his grind, ain't nobody better. Bekele too... Sebastian Coe and Roger Bannister had similar talent and sizzling closing speed, their disadvantage was training alone for the most part. I've seen so, so many exceptional athletes with God given leg speed. But only ONE El G!!!
It for sure is! nick symmonds just recently broke 4 minutes in the mile running downhill! He had run a mile time trial on the track a week previously and he could only run 4:40ish Imagine how fast elite milers could run if they did there runs downhill!
When you see Michael Norman, you think maybe there is a chance at the 400 WR When you see Donovan Brazier, you think maybe there is a chance a the 800 WR When you see Selemon Barega, you think maybe there is a chance at the 5000 WR ..... but no one even seems in the realm of the MIle WR......
During the race when HEG set the world record, Noah Ngeny came in second place also breaking the previous world record while only 20years old. Can you imagine the guts it took for him to stick with HEG?
It kinda shows that our physical limits are probably just in our minds. Imagine if there were no HEG running in that race. Would Noah Ngeny still clock in the same time? I think not. And even then he would supposedly have given it his all.
@@magnomliman8114 he was protected, everyone else he knew was doing it and got caught, he was a national hero, he was saved, he was a cheat and your dumb in denial, DRUGS!!!!
@@magnomliman8114 As much as I want to believe that he was clean like you do, I cannot find it anything else but highly likely he did it on drugs. The guy failed two Olympics, trained with Kenyans in altitude and then suddenly improved? I do not in anyway wish to bring him down or anything, he's hands down the greatest middle distance runner ever and even any other with drugs couldn't keep up to his standards. The only one who did anywhere close was Kiprop who was caught for it and that just goes how far to prove that an exceptionally talented athlete like Kiprop with drugs also just made it close to his time. Implying that a drugged talented athlete couldn't make it to a 'clean' one's time - something I find very hard to belive
Could you do a video about how COVID-19 is affecting track and field this year. My high schools track season is going to get canceled I think and that threw me off but I cannot imagine how it’s affecting pros. I went into this season expecting to run really fast times and then within a couple days my season fell apart. I would love to see how this is affecting pros and possibly even the Olympics. I have already watched your video on the London Marathon and it’s cancelation I just want to see the whole picture.
Music_is_a Lifestyle Yeah I’m a senior who was on pace to break a few school records but that’s ruined, however, that’s nothing compared to people dedicating their whole lives to this sport and to the upcoming olympics in Tokyo.
Same for me bro. My school is closed until April 6. But if you keep practicing and stay healthy while most athletes wont. You will have a state champ possibly if track opens back up.
Trevor Witherspoon That’s the hope, I only fear they will rush into cancelling the whole season instead of maybe just suspending it for a month and continuing in May.
@@ActComplicated Well the 1 track meet I had at the begging of march I broke my schools record in the 400m. But it's a matter of luck if the season will start.
Honestly, I think the fact that the world record hasn’t moved since 1999 has more to do with the tactical nature of mile races in recent years than lack of human capability. If Cheuriyot got a rabbit through 1200m, I bet he could run under 3:45 for sure right now, and probably give the world record a run for it’s money.
3:40 is not impossible but very unlikely in the next 20 to 50 years. Maybe with improved shoes and a faster surface but even then this number is crazy. There are other barriers more within reach.
Watch Hicham El Guerrouj's head motion. It's like he's a hummingbird whose head is motionless while the rest of his body is buzzing. That's part of where he got his efficiency -- less wasted up and down motion (at least until the last few meters when he was gassed). Part training, part skeletal gift.
Hicham holds few records for more than 20 years, other athletes in other disciplines hold them for more than 30 years. Despite all these new advanced running shoes, supplements, testing equipment ... etc athletes still struggle to break these insane times.
I enjoyed watching the video, thanks. However, the 20-seconds premise seems rather arbitrary for the following reasons: (1) one could have picked 21 seconds or more and made the same argument, so it suffers a round-figure bias; (2) for 800m, the premise is nearly broken and it’s almost certainly only a matter of time before someone runs it in 1:40; (3) there is no scientific or fundamental physiological basis for the “curve over-fitting” implicit in the 20-seconds premise, as there are many other simple linear formulas one could have picked that would upper-bound WR speeds from 400-2000m. An intuitive model would add increasingly higher penalties per lap for increasing distances, not a fixed -20 seconds on the total, e.g., a bound like (40 + sqrt(#laps-1)*2 + 8) seconds per lap and you can play curve-fitting with constants per your whims or based on sound physiological models; at least this model bounds world records pretty tightly all the way up to a marathon. The strange model proposed in this video - namely (60s/lap*#laps - 20s) as a bound on the total - is the reason why 800m happens to be the optimum distance to hit that bound even though there is nothing special about 800m. It is of course *possible* that the proposed model in the video is correct. Or not. We don’t know. But it’s fun food for thought.
@@viharsarok I think this is a bad model because the Gaussian has theoretically infinite tails whereas the times run are bounded. It could be another way to look at it, but better models probably take into account the physiological characteristics of elite runners and fit models to these.
@@thetrickster42 Why is it a bad model? The tails are infinite so what? I don't get your point. I've actually looked up some papers online and they use similar models.
Nearly all leaps in reducing world records are directly related to technology, not athletes' abilities. There's a great TedTalk on it. Fascinating stuff. I';m glad you mentioned the "spring loaded" NIKE shoes.
What is amazing about Bannister's record is that it was completed with a shit diet, poor shoes, a cinder track, wind interference at the track. For the mile WR to not only be 20 seconds in front of that all these years later, evidences just how outstanding that performance was.
Is the mile going to more or less "stall" where it is now, because it's a rare event so to speak? I feel like it's always a 1500 and if it's a mile it's a sit and kick race. Could we get a sub 3:40 if it was big prize money to do it?
big prize money means slower times because everyone wants to sit and kick, decent prize money and a big bonus world record prize money would do the trick
But the 1500 record has stalled too. HEG has both. If somebody was able to break his 1500, then I would think there's someone who can break the mile. But I dont see it coming.
HEG's 3:26.00 1500m time would be 3:40.96 had he kept the same pace for an additional 109 meters. That's unlikely - race conversion calculators suggest around 3:41.9. So it's probably fair to say that roughly half of the improvement necessary to achieve 3:40 could come from just running it more frequently. Another interesting point though about Hicham El Guerrouj's world record in the 1500 meters - he ran the last 300 meters in 39.66 seconds which is a ridiculous 3:18 pace!! So given that he had so much gas left in the tank at the end for a sprint finish, he coulda come darn close to 3:40 with better pacing and better pacers.
If someone broke or got close to the 1500m world record they could absolutely break the mile world record as well. It's basically the same event. What would probably happen is someone manages to run around 3:26-3:27 for the 1500m and then a world record attempt for the mile is staged. But currently no one is that fast so an attempt would be rather pointless.
Something you didn't note- after Hicham El Guerrouj got his 3:44:95 in 2001, the fastest time is a 3:47. It seems like the event plateaued in the 1990's, and no-one's come close to touching it. These things happen in sports, but I don't like the outlook with middle-distance running; while it could be possible, I don't think people will make it happen. I mean, it's not even the most popular middle-distance event, and that says quite a lot.
I think it is an eventuality but as the video explains its an exponential curve. I think the mile needs to be contested more frequently rather than 1500 and then offer huge bonus for WR. They would have to keep doing this until 3:40 is broken. This gets more runners focused on it/invested in it. The Ovett/Coe/Cram progression on the WR in the 80s is a great example of what happens when elites get focused on it and race it frequently. Within 5 yr the WR goes down because I think its due. It might take significantly longer to do 3:39 since the record has progressed just 6 seconds in my lifetime. It may not drop that low in the 21st century but it eventually will.
actually, 80 Vo2 max is relatively low for the best of the best. For example the 8 time gold olympian cross country skier Bjørn Dæhlie had a Vo2 max of 96
It’s crazy high for a runner. Different sports produce different results, for example a runner with 80 might be over 100 if he had the build and body fat etc of a skier. The skier is using his entire body so there’s oxygen being shuttled all over the body.
@@HkFinn83Training at altitude can also make the body more efficient, which is likely why a cross country skier will have higher relative levels than somebody who trains at altitude. World class cyclists also have high Vo2 max. For example, Greg LeMond was 92.5.
Came back to this video after Jakob andn Ngouse dropped 3;43 miles tonight, and like 10 or 11 guys broke 3;50. only 63 under in all of the years - damn near the whole field this race went sub 3;50
Haven’t we learned this past October that nothing is impossible!? “NO HUMAN IS LIMITED!!!!” I’m looking forward to seeing those race times drop with those new track spikes from Nike that have the carbon plate in them.
We also forget that it's not only about VO2 max (which is a stupid measurement for everything but long distance running) and Lactic Threshold (which is another easily misunderstood and useless measurement for short distance running, it's actually Lactic REUPTAKE. Meaning how much LACTATE can your body absorb for ENERGY. Lactate is a sugar people and it's impossble for it to form an acid base) but height, limb length, stride, runners economy and form are WAY more important. That's one of the reasons Usain Bolt STILL has his world record. How many 6'4 sprinters even exist? Most are playing football, basketball or soccer. I guarantee that if taller individual came into mile running they'd probably bring it down to 3:38, that's my guess. And I think the absolute fastest time is probably gonna be 3:37.883.
@@cartoonhanks1708 Usain isn't really a good example because he's a short distance sprinter. And there is clear evidence that being that tall does not make you faster than the rest of the competition. Look at the fastest times in the NFL combine there is nobody on that list over 6 1. The Nhl speed competition has no one over 6' 2" that has won the competition. Even in track and fields Usain is the only one that tall and that fast. He is truly unique and is in the world by himself. So don't expect the average tall person to be blowing past people like that. The majority of the speed lies between 5'8" to 6' 1".
I would be stoked to see a 3:39 mile. As of now though, El Guerrouj is the greatest runner from 1500m to 2k including the mile. PS: I had to look up El Guerrouj to spell his name properly, because I am unable to spell for myself.
Just a theory, but since only Britain and US use mile as a unit, is it possible that some elite athletes choose not to participate in miles competition because of the limited audience?
already been done, Mike Boit ran 3.28.6 in Auckland on April 9 in 1983..........Admittedly down Queen street which drops about 50 meters over the course of the measured mile.
running is never about world records, or at least for me, its about the rush of lightness and improved mood after a good 10km run that keeps me doing it everytime...
Elgarouj ( i know him in person ) i saw him training each morning , man he used to train on the atlas montains , its alot harder there even to breath normally
@@paulfletcher6629 spelling in arabic is different u dumass , i know it in arabic and i spell it as it is in arabic becoz its an arabic name after all ! , هشام الكروج
I remember looking at chart of world records during a high school track team meeting and 55 for 4 laps looked extra impossible and sure enough it is one of the few still holding up.
Jakob Ingebrigtsen will do it. Ok, maybe not, but I'm confident he can break 3:43, and maybe even 3:42. He's insanely talented, and still just 19. (his 3:30.16 on the 1500m equates to a 3:46.82 mile) Also, keep in mind that Hicham's 3:26.00 at the 1500m equates to a 3:42.34 mile. (The mile is much rarer than the 1500 at global meets) What's amazing is that at age 17 Jakob ran 5.14 seconds faster than mile legend Steve Cram did when he was 17 (3:52.28 vs 3:57.42) And Steve Cram ended up with a mile PB of 3:46.32 (still 4th fastest man in history) (El Guerrouj, Ngeny, and Morceli ran their first mile when they were either 18 or 19) What's interesting is that Steve Cram's PBs in the 1500m and the Mile is basically just as strong (many runners have a much stronger 1500m PBs than mile PBs) His 3:29.67 1500m equates a 3:46.29 mile, and his 3:46.32 mile equates a 3:29.70 1500m.
I hope he breaks the current record, I would love to see it. I still have my doubts because running is not perfect math and his actual mile time is still far from El Guerrouj.
All of these guys run their miles so quickly. I put much more time and personal attention into my miles, at least 7 minutes. So they're much higher quality, and I savor them.
Doesn't actually tell me why it's impossible though. Maybe if you told me there was a scientific study based on pacing or something, but this really just says "current world record is a world record"
Before Roger Bannister went sub 4 mins that was impossible aswell Before that it was impossible to go under 10 sec for the 100m and under 20 for the 200m There have also been many impossible times in swimming and many other sports They have also been broken With improvements in training diet and technology times will continue to fall As athletes get quicker yes it becomes harder to shave off even fractions of a second but it will still happen
@William White I agree with you I didnt mean that i thought it was impossible But that was what was thought and reported at the time Records will continue to be broken and times will be lowered even more as nutrician technology and training continues to evolve
El gerrouge what a legend this record will never ever be beaten and to think what an inspirational guy doing it clean unlike most of these sprinters in the Jamaican teams getting busted all the time
The way people say those types of comments makes it seem like there treating the other players like criminals. "This rocket league player can ACTUALLY freestyle unlike THESE boring nerds" "this guy can ACTUALLY run a sub 4 min mile on the TRACK, unlike THESE slow pokes" like calm down
Yeah its weird cause I feel like a 3:26 1500 is more impressive than a 3:43 mile. Youre running at a pace of 55 seconds a lap or approx. 14 sec per 100m. If he could've held that pace for 109 more meters he probably wouldve gotten a 3:41
Many records and barriers in athletics seem to be impossible. Give it time. Records will be broken, even those that were set with the help of chemistry, and new standards will be set. ✌🏽👍🏽
I think it's possible if they're running a straight away only. I feel like running on the track and having to turn is what semi slows them down. IMO(I don't know if I'm right or wrong but it's what I think).
This makes excellent sense physiologically. There are likely limits to the three different energy systems we have and increases in velocity require exponential increases in the amount of force/energy required to reach them. The slow-twitch oxidative system can only push so much oxygen per second through muscles which explains the approximate 1 minute per lap limit in combination with the added boosts of energy from the glycolytic and Creatine & ATP immediate energy systems. Likely, all three of these would need to be at their absolute peak from training in addition to someone having genetics that support extremely high capacities for all three systems to have adequate energy flow to break this barrier. Likely possible to do, but unconventionally you would probably need to train all three systems to their peak, including sprint-endurance which modern training methods do not include I don't believe.
and it is still impossible without Nike shoes, with high tech shoes it is possible to break the barrier of sound one day in the future or even literally fly in the air...
Eli Cha So you sent me a link to CNN, the biggest fake news media outlet you can possibly find. If you knew what you were talking about, you would also know that neither the vaporflys, nor the alphaflys are banned from competition. The world athletics council has decided for them to be legal, about 2 months ago. So you discredit this incredible human achievement and then you spread wrong information about it. That is why you are in fact a moron. Have a great Monday
Yes, just have to run three 55.00 second laps and then 49.99 second lap. It will be easier to do if the whole run is arobic meaning that none of the runners cells are using lactic acid or the conjugate base lactate to produce the ATP molecules which is Adenosine TriPhosphate which is the energy for the cells to do work, Lactic acid causes fatigue and forces the runner to slow down. Aerobic means that the cells are only using oxygen molecules,O2, and not lactate to produce ATP.
I know you're older now, but if you're not an experienced runner, it is good, but if you do track and such, then no, 6th graders are running 5:05 in my school.
VO2 max of 80 is indeed phenomenal, but the highest recorded have been cross-country skiers who are at 90-100. Also I seem to recall that although economy is quite important along with the other aspects mentioned, the best predictor of speed is turnover rate, which is the one thing you can't really train. Many decades ago the Russians were trying to push turnover rate by pulling runners behind cars & that sort of [goofy] thing, but you just really cannot improve it enough. If anyone can figure out a way to train that, they'll be in business. The other things like running economy, La+ threshold, and even VO2 to a point, can all be trained. And of course VO2 is less & less important the shorter the distance. At 100 meters there isn't even enough time to generate lactate, the fuel source is limited to almost pure ATP for 10 seconds or so.
Remember this comment, I’m going to beat this time record. Edit: I decided to go with a different goal, running a marathon without stopping is where I’m looking to get, I’m already able to run 6 miles without stopping, I’ll keep you updated.
maple-nyan So far I’m running 4 miles in 30 min, I’m not sure if that’s good or not, but whenever I get my 4 miles down better I’m gonna start sprinting it for as long as I can, hopefully it’ll build up my speed in order to beat this, but who knows.
All the best to you, but and your 4 mile time will need to be down at 16 minutes before you could consider even a sub 3.50 mile. These guys can all run 5kms in 13mins or quicker. Super fitness and super speed.
Bannister did it outside, over a dirt track and was the first to do it. His name is the one that lives in immortality. Until now I didn’t even know who held the present say record.
How crazy is it that breaking the record requires running faster than 3.14 seconds, which is Pi. How crazier would it be when the first person to break it literally says "Easy as Pi"
Almost impossible is not impossible. Several years before the 4 minute barrier was broken, almost everyone said it would be impossible. Years from now there will be videos like this one saying "Why running a sub 3.35 is almost impossible".....Remember, humans continue to improve because the human species continues to evolve.
The speed of someone running a near 3:40 mile is nothing close to someone running a "9 second" 100 meter. Take Usain Bolt's 9.69 second 100 meter run time, and times it by 16 (for 1600 meters.) It comes out to be roughly 2 minutes and 58 seconds. If someone can run a 13 second 100 meter pace for a mile, it comes out to be 3 minutes and 47 seconds. *which would still not be a world record* The speed and power required to go from a 13 second 100 meter dash, to a sub-10 second 100 meter dash is not a cake walk.
I remember when El Guerrouj said that a hundred years from now the mile record would be less than two seconds faster than it is right now, I thought he was crazy but almost 21 years later no improvement. Greatest sports record of all time.
right
His outdoor records will last for a long while . The man was a beast , but I'm sure humanity will produce similar or better , life evolves always .
@@nizarfa3668 human bodies won’t change in 100 years but chemicals might
Shaving 30 seconds off a marathon is easy you have so much time to adjust, shaving 1 second on mile will be amazing, I was happy with just breaking 6 min mile haha 😂
He also holds the 1500m
The fastest I achieved was in college at around 4:35. Imagining 15 seconds faster each lap is incomprehensible.
That is still unbelievably impressive bro
It really is. I hit 4:25 in high school and was running againt people like Ian Dobson and Eric Logston, so they made me look like I was standing still. Yet even them weren't as fast as 55 seconds a lap. Truly insane.
Wow. That's really fast dude. I'm impressed.
The fastest I achieved was 5:24 at 16 and got back in shape after high school 5:28 at 25 I can't imagine Im 35 and would be winded if I tryed low 6s lol
@@CarlosHernandez-wy8gw At 33, I suspect that I'm the same. Haha
I think it's about time for me to go out and run!
year 3000: Why running A Sub 3:00 MILE is ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE
LMAO
Year 2105 or 2145, not that long
Maybe the wr will be 2:40 10 seconds a 100 meter
Never gonna happen.
A sub 5.376x10^-6 seconds is impossible since that's the speed light travels in a mile.
I believe part of the problem is the mile isn't run often. It's not an Olympic distance. The 1500m is an Olympic event.
Elguerrouj holding 1500m record as well
I believe that is the main reason too not many pro’s chasing the mile, it probably helps also when you have someone really battling it out for the win too
well , El guerrouj is holding that record too since 1997
@@elsseries3886 singe 1998
1500 m is unbelievably close to a mile. I don’t buy it.
Several years ago we attended a regional NCAA track meet in Arizona USA. At the mile run four contestants broke the four minute mile. One generation ago this would have made history but in the present day not an eyebrow was raised. We are in awe of the athletes in all fields and look forward to their thrilling performances in the future.
I feel like perhaps the most overlooked aspect of improving the mile world record (and any individual’s PR for that matter) is outright sprint speed. For some to average 54.6 per lap for a mile they would almost certainly have to be capable of a 46 second 400, maybe 47 low at worst. VERY few milers are capable of that, with Seb Coe being the closest I can think of. Additionally, they would require all the VO2 max and lactate threshold abilities previously mentioned. Who knows when we’ll see all that.
At 6:37 his addams apple looks like a face. I can't unsee this!
Megumi that’s gotta be photoshopped!
Haha oh god.
I see George Washington
Lol!!!!
Holy shit
They said the 4 minute mile was impossible too.
That One not to mention, Suppliments and nutrition has improved greatly! Athletes in college are spoilt man. Coaches are also smarter due to studying how coaches at the top do it.
3:40 will be broken in 30 years mark my words
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Less. That's what I think
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I bet it will still happen. Some monster will come out of nowhere and do it
That One innovation will continue, there is no limit
I watched the Moroccan great throughout his career, and I think having equally talented rivals was a huge difference in his era. Those races were hell from the gun. A few reasons why I think that record will stand for another 50 years +. You have to commit to the distance over your entire career, and not move up for the kickers win. Second, Hicham is truly special, and when you combine that mind with his grind, ain't nobody better. Bekele too...
Sebastian Coe and Roger Bannister had similar talent and sizzling closing speed, their disadvantage was training alone for the most part. I've seen so, so many exceptional athletes with God given leg speed. But only ONE El G!!!
I'm thinking about breaking the record. But marijuana is legal where I live so maybe some other time.
Locutus D'Borg morocco exports marijuana the atlas where elguerouj trained is the land of marijuana lol
What do you mean not move up for the kickers win
@@hamzajon8823 zip it moron
@@hamzajon8823 The Rif, not the Atlas.
Ineos 3:39 challenge
Nike tests their “alphavictory infinity%” at 0 feet elevation and a robotic pacer
Their shoes can't fet much better they only got another 10%
Hahaha
The title of this video: *Exists*
Eluid Kipchoge: I said no human is limited. Did I f***ing stutter when I said this.
God of All Saiyans factsssss 😂
Haha
He would never say that. And yes I get that it’s a joke, but it wasn’t funny.
Erick Sanchez Biggs stfu
God of All Sans
You are such a running nerd.. and for that we love you! Keep making great content!
Man, TP is on a whole new level. I've been looking for content like this my whole life. Geeked out
Well it technically is possible downhill I would guess
Blotch that wouldn’t count
Your quads would actually give out faster. It would probably be faster on a flat surface
It for sure is! nick symmonds just recently broke 4 minutes in the mile running downhill!
He had run a mile time trial on the track a week previously and he could only run 4:40ish
Imagine how fast elite milers could run if they did there runs downhill!
Erick Sanchez that’s not true. People have run faster than 3:40 downhill but it doesn’t count because it’s such a big advantage
Gabriel Lloyd the question was mainly based on a mile on the track since there are no advantages
When you see Michael Norman, you think maybe there is a chance at the 400 WR
When you see Donovan Brazier, you think maybe there is a chance a the 800 WR
When you see Selemon Barega, you think maybe there is a chance at the 5000 WR
..... but no one even seems in the realm of the MIle WR......
Give this man (Timothy Cheruiyot ) a proper MILE training for 2-4 yrs and watch him fly to a WR
Facts!!! Maybe Cheserek tho
Demetrius Johnson I think the closest guy is Yomif Kejecha with that indoor 3:47.01. Which is amazing!! But even than.... still a far cry from 3:43.12
Also Joshua cheptegei for 5000
Yuta 10k more so
3:36 HE DID IT EVERYBODY, EL GUERROUJ RAN A 3:34.13 MILE DURING THE MAKING OF THIS VIDEO!!!
I don’t get the joke,can someone explain it to me?
on drugs
Jokah Baby at 3:36 under the mile, there was a typo, 3:43 changed to a 3:34
During the race when HEG set the world record, Noah Ngeny came in second place also breaking the previous world record while only 20years old. Can you imagine the guts it took for him to stick with HEG?
It kinda shows that our physical limits are probably just in our minds. Imagine if there were no HEG running in that race. Would Noah Ngeny still clock in the same time? I think not. And even then he would supposedly have given it his all.
A bit like Amos hanging with Rudisha and running the 3rd fastest 800m ever
I remember watching that race in awe. I watched on TV live and I was at work and just couldn't believe it. So crazy.
I would be so sick if I beat a world record and still didn’t win the race
I'm proud to be Moroccan.. Maybe El gerrouj's WR will last forever.
unless someone else gets away with taking drugs like he did x
@@Davesunflower ....congratulations for the dumbest comment in this video right now.
@@magnomliman8114 he was protected, everyone else he knew was doing it and got caught, he was a national hero, he was saved, he was a cheat and your dumb in denial, DRUGS!!!!
@@magnomliman8114 As much as I want to believe that he was clean like you do, I cannot find it anything else but highly likely he did it on drugs. The guy failed two Olympics, trained with Kenyans in altitude and then suddenly improved? I do not in anyway wish to bring him down or anything, he's hands down the greatest middle distance runner ever and even any other with drugs couldn't keep up to his standards. The only one who did anywhere close was Kiprop who was caught for it and that just goes how far to prove that an exceptionally talented athlete like Kiprop with drugs also just made it close to his time. Implying that a drugged talented athlete couldn't make it to a 'clean' one's time - something I find very hard to belive
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Could you do a video about how COVID-19 is affecting track and field this year. My high schools track season is going to get canceled I think and that threw me off but I cannot imagine how it’s affecting pros. I went into this season expecting to run really fast times and then within a couple days my season fell apart. I would love to see how this is affecting pros and possibly even the Olympics. I have already watched your video on the London Marathon and it’s cancelation I just want to see the whole picture.
Music_is_a Lifestyle You should time trial with you team (or just by yourself)
Music_is_a Lifestyle Yeah I’m a senior who was on pace to break a few school records but that’s ruined, however, that’s nothing compared to people dedicating their whole lives to this sport and to the upcoming olympics in Tokyo.
Same for me bro. My school is closed until April 6. But if you keep practicing and stay healthy while most athletes wont. You will have a state champ possibly if track opens back up.
Trevor Witherspoon That’s the hope, I only fear they will rush into cancelling the whole season instead of maybe just suspending it for a month and continuing in May.
@@ActComplicated Well the 1 track meet I had at the begging of march I broke my schools record in the 400m. But it's a matter of luck if the season will start.
African's are home to the best runner! I'm so proud of you my Moroccan brother! c:
Honestly, I think the fact that the world record hasn’t moved since 1999 has more to do with the tactical nature of mile races in recent years than lack of human capability. If Cheuriyot got a rabbit through 1200m, I bet he could run under 3:45 for sure right now, and probably give the world record a run for it’s money.
3:40 is not impossible but very unlikely in the next 20 to 50 years. Maybe with improved shoes and a faster surface but even then this number is crazy. There are other barriers more within reach.
Watch Hicham El Guerrouj's head motion. It's like he's a hummingbird whose head is motionless while the rest of his body is buzzing. That's part of where he got his efficiency -- less wasted up and down motion (at least until the last few meters when he was gassed). Part training, part skeletal gift.
Out of the 10 fastest times El Guerrouj has 7 !! 6:31
Hicham holds few records for more than 20 years, other athletes in other disciplines hold them for more than 30 years. Despite all these new advanced running shoes, supplements, testing equipment ... etc athletes still struggle to break these insane times.
I enjoyed watching the video, thanks. However, the 20-seconds premise seems rather arbitrary for the following reasons: (1) one could have picked 21 seconds or more and made the same argument, so it suffers a round-figure bias; (2) for 800m, the premise is nearly broken and it’s almost certainly only a matter of time before someone runs it in 1:40; (3) there is no scientific or fundamental physiological basis for the “curve over-fitting” implicit in the 20-seconds premise, as there are many other simple linear formulas one could have picked that would upper-bound WR speeds from 400-2000m.
An intuitive model would add increasingly higher penalties per lap for increasing distances, not a fixed -20 seconds on the total, e.g., a bound like (40 + sqrt(#laps-1)*2 + 8) seconds per lap and you can play curve-fitting with constants per your whims or based on sound physiological models; at least this model bounds world records pretty tightly all the way up to a marathon. The strange model proposed in this video - namely (60s/lap*#laps - 20s) as a bound on the total - is the reason why 800m happens to be the optimum distance to hit that bound even though there is nothing special about 800m.
It is of course *possible* that the proposed model in the video is correct. Or not. We don’t know. But it’s fun food for thought.
The actual way to do this is to fit a (probably Gaussian) distribution to the already known running times and calculate the probability at
@@viharsarok I think this is a bad model because the Gaussian has theoretically infinite tails whereas the times run are bounded.
It could be another way to look at it, but better models probably take into account the physiological characteristics of elite runners and fit models to these.
@@thetrickster42 Why is it a bad model? The tails are infinite so what? I don't get your point. I've actually looked up some papers online and they use similar models.
Nearly all leaps in reducing world records are directly related to technology, not athletes' abilities. There's a great TedTalk on it. Fascinating stuff. I';m glad you mentioned the "spring loaded" NIKE shoes.
Noah Ngeny also broke the world record at the same race as El Guerroul, but no one notices because he came in second.
He came second so there's milliseconds difference and that's count I guess
You answered it yourself...He didn't break the record when someone else ahead of him already broke it
@@aminkabuli9415 Absolutely. Elementary! As Sherlock Holmes would have said!
Another banned for drugs
What is amazing about Bannister's record is that it was completed with a shit diet, poor shoes, a cinder track, wind interference at the track. For the mile WR to not only be 20 seconds in front of that all these years later, evidences just how outstanding that performance was.
Is the mile going to more or less "stall" where it is now, because it's a rare event so to speak? I feel like it's always a 1500 and if it's a mile it's a sit and kick race. Could we get a sub 3:40 if it was big prize money to do it?
10ktube absolutely
big prize money means slower times because everyone wants to sit and kick, decent prize money and a big bonus world record prize money would do the trick
But the 1500 record has stalled too. HEG has both. If somebody was able to break his 1500, then I would think there's someone who can break the mile. But I dont see it coming.
HEG's 3:26.00 1500m time would be 3:40.96 had he kept the same pace for an additional 109 meters. That's unlikely - race conversion calculators suggest around 3:41.9. So it's probably fair to say that roughly half of the improvement necessary to achieve 3:40 could come from just running it more frequently.
Another interesting point though about Hicham El Guerrouj's world record in the 1500 meters - he ran the last 300 meters in 39.66 seconds which is a ridiculous 3:18 pace!! So given that he had so much gas left in the tank at the end for a sprint finish, he coulda come darn close to 3:40 with better pacing and better pacers.
If someone broke or got close to the 1500m world record they could absolutely break the mile world record as well. It's basically the same event. What would probably happen is someone manages to run around 3:26-3:27 for the 1500m and then a world record attempt for the mile is staged. But currently no one is that fast so an attempt would be rather pointless.
This feels like a Summoning Salt video lmao, keep up the good work
Why “world record +1” is ALMOST impossible
Great vid! Just like to point out at 3:33 you flipped the 4 and 3 for the mile record... unfortunately I don’t think a 3:34 mile will ever happen
Hisham is one of the most underrated athletic super humans like Usain Bolt. But very few people know about him.
Imagine if the Moroccan runner in the video prime version got his hand on modern shoes like the victory or dragon flies💀
Year 5000: “why the slowest person on earth runs a 5 minute mile”
Something you didn't note- after Hicham El Guerrouj got his 3:44:95 in 2001, the fastest time is a 3:47. It seems like the event plateaued in the 1990's, and no-one's come close to touching it. These things happen in sports, but I don't like the outlook with middle-distance running; while it could be possible, I don't think people will make it happen.
I mean, it's not even the most popular middle-distance event, and that says quite a lot.
We need an athlete who has the El Gueroujj / David Rudisha combo, equipped with those Nike shoes which Kipchoge used to set the marathon record.
I think it is an eventuality but as the video explains its an exponential curve. I think the mile needs to be contested more frequently rather than 1500 and then offer huge bonus for WR. They would have to keep doing this until 3:40 is broken. This gets more runners focused on it/invested in it. The Ovett/Coe/Cram progression on the WR in the 80s is a great example of what happens when elites get focused on it and race it frequently.
Within 5 yr the WR goes down because I think its due. It might take significantly longer to do 3:39 since the record has progressed just 6 seconds in my lifetime. It may not drop that low in the 21st century but it eventually will.
actually, 80 Vo2 max is relatively low for the best of the best. For example the 8 time gold olympian cross country skier Bjørn Dæhlie had a Vo2 max of 96
It’s crazy high for a runner. Different sports produce different results, for example a runner with 80 might be over 100 if he had the build and body fat etc of a skier. The skier is using his entire body so there’s oxygen being shuttled all over the body.
@@HkFinn83Training at altitude can also make the body more efficient, which is likely why a cross country skier will have higher relative levels than somebody who trains at altitude. World class cyclists also have high Vo2 max. For example, Greg LeMond was 92.5.
Came back to this video after Jakob andn Ngouse dropped 3;43 miles tonight, and like 10 or 11 guys broke 3;50.
only 63 under in all of the years - damn near the whole field this race went sub 3;50
Every time I see Rudisha's 800m record I still can't believe it.
THE GOAT IS BACK WITH AN EPIC VID!!
Haven’t we learned this past October that nothing is impossible!? “NO HUMAN IS LIMITED!!!!”
I’m looking forward to seeing those race times drop with those new track spikes from Nike that have the carbon plate in them.
I mean IDK how 100m spikes will help lower the mile WR, but alright
We also forget that it's not only about VO2 max
(which is a stupid measurement for everything but long distance running) and Lactic Threshold (which is another easily misunderstood and useless measurement for short distance running, it's actually Lactic REUPTAKE. Meaning how much LACTATE can your body absorb for ENERGY. Lactate is a sugar people and it's impossble for it to form an acid base) but height, limb length, stride, runners economy and form are WAY more important.
That's one of the reasons Usain Bolt STILL has his world record.
How many 6'4 sprinters even exist? Most are playing football, basketball or soccer.
I guarantee that if taller individual came into mile running they'd probably bring it down to 3:38, that's my guess. And I think the absolute fastest time is probably gonna be 3:37.883.
@@cartoonhanks1708 how many people focus on the 1500 instead of the mile too.
@@cosmicmoonman1896 they released matumbos which are fir djstance and there is a prototype zoom victory whixh would be for the 1500 to mile
@@cartoonhanks1708
Usain isn't really a good example because he's a short distance sprinter. And there is clear evidence that being that tall does not make you faster than the rest of the competition. Look at the fastest times in the NFL combine there is nobody on that list over 6 1. The Nhl speed competition has no one over 6' 2" that has won the competition. Even in track and fields Usain is the only one that tall and that fast. He is truly unique and is in the world by himself. So don't expect the average tall person to be blowing past people like that. The majority of the speed lies between 5'8" to 6' 1".
If they had UA-cam back in the day we could all go back and watch the video about how a 4 minute mile was impossible
I would be stoked to see a 3:39 mile. As of now though, El Guerrouj is the greatest runner from 1500m to 2k including the mile.
PS: I had to look up El Guerrouj to spell his name properly, because I am unable to spell for myself.
2:30
“Its probably like 3”
I actually had no idea what it was 😂
Just a theory, but since only Britain and US use mile as a unit, is it possible that some elite athletes choose not to participate in miles competition because of the limited audience?
already been done, Mike Boit ran 3.28.6 in Auckland on April 9 in 1983..........Admittedly down Queen street which drops about 50 meters over the course of the measured mile.
Epo+ Talent= possible
running is never about world records, or at least for me, its about the rush of lightness and improved mood after a good 10km run that keeps me doing it everytime...
Elgarouj ( i know him in person ) i saw him training each morning , man he used to train on the atlas montains , its alot harder there even to breath normally
hhhhhhhhhh
You know him personally but can not spell his name!
@@paulfletcher6629 spelling in arabic is different u dumass , i know it in arabic and i spell it as it is in arabic becoz its an arabic name after all ! , هشام الكروج
I remember looking at chart of world records during a high school track team meeting and 55 for 4 laps looked extra impossible and sure enough it is one of the few still holding up.
Jakob Ingebrigtsen will do it. Ok, maybe not, but I'm confident he can break 3:43, and maybe even 3:42. He's insanely talented, and still just 19. (his 3:30.16 on the 1500m equates to a
3:46.82 mile)
Also, keep in mind that Hicham's 3:26.00 at the 1500m equates to a 3:42.34 mile. (The mile is much rarer than the 1500 at global meets)
What's amazing is that at age 17 Jakob ran 5.14 seconds faster than mile legend Steve Cram did when he was 17 (3:52.28 vs 3:57.42) And Steve Cram ended up with a mile PB of 3:46.32 (still 4th fastest man in history) (El Guerrouj, Ngeny, and Morceli ran their first mile when they were either 18 or 19)
What's interesting is that Steve Cram's PBs in the 1500m and the Mile is basically just as strong (many runners have a much stronger 1500m PBs than mile PBs)
His 3:29.67 1500m equates a 3:46.29 mile, and his 3:46.32 mile equates a 3:29.70 1500m.
I hope he breaks the current record, I would love to see it. I still have my doubts because running is not perfect math and his actual mile time is still far from El Guerrouj.
All of these guys run their miles so quickly. I put much more time and personal attention into my miles, at least 7 minutes. So they're much higher quality, and I savor them.
No one:
Literally no one:
David goggins: you said impossible?
At 3:31 of the video, there's another error. Wayde Van Niekerk's WR 400 meter was actually 43.03 seconds, not 43.30 seconds.
Kipchoge: hold my beer.
Thanks for telling us what is not possible when others are training hard to make it possible …
1:17 just beat it by pi seconds
Shadow*91 your welcome
Your content is soooo good! As a running fan it’s amazing! I’m glad this channel exits. I’m nerding out!
Doesn't actually tell me why it's impossible though. Maybe if you told me there was a scientific study based on pacing or something, but this really just says "current world record is a world record"
Thanks for another in depth analysis
Superb channel
2:36 I predicted the number 3. Goosebumps! Every 5 second drop reduces the number of athletes by about 1/5.
Is 5:38 a good mile time for an 8th grader
Caleb Gilbert yes, i was the second fastest miler at my middle school and i got a pr of 5:34 in eighth grade
I was the second fastest as well, but first place got 5:28
Caleb Gilbert thats pretty good :) shoot for 5:30
Well, I was a junior and my best time was a 5:35 so I'd say that's pretty good xD
Keep at it, you'll shed that time as you continue to grow.
Thank you all
Before Roger Bannister went sub 4 mins that was impossible aswell
Before that it was impossible to go under 10 sec for the 100m and under 20 for the 200m
There have also been many impossible times in swimming and many other sports
They have also been broken
With improvements in training diet and technology times will continue to fall
As athletes get quicker yes it becomes harder to shave off even fractions of a second but it will still happen
@William White
I agree with you
I didnt mean that i thought it was impossible
But that was what was thought and reported at the time
Records will continue to be broken and times will be lowered even more as nutrician technology and training continues to evolve
Great video, love El G what a runner ♥️
El gerrouge what a legend this record will never ever be beaten and to think what an inspirational guy doing it clean unlike most of these sprinters in the Jamaican teams getting busted all the time
The way people say those types of comments makes it seem like there treating the other players like criminals. "This rocket league player can ACTUALLY freestyle unlike THESE boring nerds" "this guy can ACTUALLY run a sub 4 min mile on the TRACK, unlike THESE slow pokes" like calm down
In 30 years: Why breaking a 3:30 mile is almost impossible
All the WRs are like this now, reaching a critical point of max human potential. WR in Long Jump has moved 2" in over 50 years. Except the Pole Vault
when el g ran 3:26 in a 1500 if he had run 100m with his fast ass kick he prob could’ve run 3:40 flat
Yeah its weird cause I feel like a 3:26 1500 is more impressive than a 3:43 mile. Youre running at a pace of 55 seconds a lap or approx. 14 sec per 100m. If he could've held that pace for 109 more meters he probably wouldve gotten a 3:41
Unfortunately that's still above 3:40 though
Shahiru Perera yeah bro that’s what i’m saying totally ageee 🙌🏻
Gotta take into account that the 3:26 included a kick already.
Stephen Tai true but el g is a absolute monster he prob could’ve pained another 100m meters he’s had workouts that hurt hella a lot
Many records and barriers in athletics seem to be impossible. Give it time. Records will be broken, even those that were set with the help of chemistry, and new standards will be set. ✌🏽👍🏽
3:39 in 2030. No faster
Psychodelic that’s what they said about the marathon
I think it's possible if they're running a straight away only. I feel like running on the track and having to turn is what semi slows them down. IMO(I don't know if I'm right or wrong but it's what I think).
He said take a Guess I guessed 3
Me three...
Minitron 11 Plays same
LOL I guessed 3 too.
so did I, should us 6 start our own league of extraordinary gentlemen?
Matt F yes we smart!!
The marathon course varies radically from course to course. The 1500 or the mile is on a flat and precisely designed track that does not vary.
I recall that Derek Clayton’s 2:09 marathon lasted a decade and seemed unbreakable. I like the math here but athletes find a way
This makes excellent sense physiologically. There are likely limits to the three different energy systems we have and increases in velocity require exponential increases in the amount of force/energy required to reach them. The slow-twitch oxidative system can only push so much oxygen per second through muscles which explains the approximate 1 minute per lap limit in combination with the added boosts of energy from the glycolytic and Creatine & ATP immediate energy systems. Likely, all three of these would need to be at their absolute peak from training in addition to someone having genetics that support extremely high capacities for all three systems to have adequate energy flow to break this barrier. Likely possible to do, but unconventionally you would probably need to train all three systems to their peak, including sprint-endurance which modern training methods do not include I don't believe.
With all the precision (especially in training) required, I wouldn’t be surprised if Jakob Ingrebritsen gets close to 3:40. Maybe 3:42 or even 3:41
Little did u know
u need an athlete with the power of a sprinter. and yet the elasticity and looseness of a long distance runner.
Once upon a time, the 2 hour marathon was also impossible :D
and it is still impossible without Nike shoes, with high tech shoes it is possible to break the barrier of sound one day in the future or even literally fly in the air...
Eli Cha wtf
Eli Cha Wtf
Eli Cha what an absolute moron you are....
Eli Cha So you sent me a link to CNN, the biggest fake news media outlet you can possibly find. If you knew what you were talking about, you would also know that neither the vaporflys, nor the alphaflys are banned from competition. The world athletics council has decided for them to be legal, about 2 months ago. So you discredit this incredible human achievement and then you spread wrong information about it. That is why you are in fact a moron. Have a great Monday
What would it take to break 3:40? Nike SuperMegaEliteUltraflys, of course!
I guessed 3. Where's my cookie?
Well done
@@TotalRunningProductions Thank you my good sir.
Dang, I feel pretty good about my 55-57 vo2 max now😂
Just wait, Jakob Ingebrigtsen is going to beat the WR
He Will beat the wind hhh
I highly doubt it.He might be talented but it will take a monster to beat that record.
Yes, just have to run three 55.00 second laps and then 49.99 second lap. It will be easier to do if the whole run is arobic meaning that none of the runners cells are using lactic acid or the conjugate base lactate to produce the ATP molecules which is Adenosine TriPhosphate which is the energy for the cells to do work, Lactic acid causes fatigue and forces the runner to slow down. Aerobic means that the cells are only using oxygen molecules,O2, and not lactate to produce ATP.
Is 6 minutes and 43 seconds good for 7th grade pls I actually don't know
I know you're older now, but if you're not an experienced runner, it is good, but if you do track and such, then no, 6th graders are running 5:05 in my school.
@@Sumshadyshiii sweet, but I miss typed I meant 5:40, now a days the coaches force me to run track and cross country
I like how he say almost because he knows someone will
Hey ya all Jesus loves you! I hope that makes your day better, have a great one!
VO2 max of 80 is indeed phenomenal, but the highest recorded have been cross-country skiers who are at 90-100. Also I seem to recall that although economy is quite important along with the other aspects mentioned, the best predictor of speed is turnover rate, which is the one thing you can't really train. Many decades ago the Russians were trying to push turnover rate by pulling runners behind cars & that sort of [goofy] thing, but you just really cannot improve it enough. If anyone can figure out a way to train that, they'll be in business. The other things like running economy, La+ threshold, and even VO2 to a point, can all be trained. And of course VO2 is less & less important the shorter the distance. At 100 meters there isn't even enough time to generate lactate, the fuel source is limited to almost pure ATP for 10 seconds or so.
Remember this comment, I’m going to beat this time record.
Edit: I decided to go with a different goal, running a marathon without stopping is where I’m looking to get, I’m already able to run 6 miles without stopping, I’ll keep you updated.
x doubt
maple-nyan
So far I’m running 4 miles in 30 min, I’m not sure if that’s good or not, but whenever I get my 4 miles down better I’m gonna start sprinting it for as long as I can, hopefully it’ll build up my speed in order to beat this, but who knows.
@@thomas7571 there is 0 fucking way you will beat it
All the best to you, but and your 4 mile time will need to be down at 16 minutes before you could consider even a sub 3.50 mile. These guys can all run 5kms in 13mins or quicker. Super fitness and super speed.
Good luck
Bannister did it outside, over a dirt track and was the first to do it. His name is the one that lives in immortality. Until now I didn’t even know who held the present say record.
Yo can we get some Kenyans in here
How crazy is it that breaking the record requires running faster than 3.14 seconds, which is Pi. How crazier would it be when the first person to break it literally says "Easy as Pi"
Almost impossible is not impossible. Several years before the 4 minute barrier was broken, almost everyone said it would be impossible. Years from now there will be videos like this one saying "Why running a sub 3.35 is almost impossible".....Remember, humans continue to improve because the human species continues to evolve.
400 m men 1993 , 1 Johnson 43.65 , 2 Reynolds 44.13 . 400 m men 2023 , 1 Watson 44,22 , 2 Hudson-Smith 44,31 . No improvement.
What would it take? El Guerrouj plus Nike vapor fly
Olympic sprinters run 100 meters in 9 sec, it’s incredible how someone can run 1600 meter in 3:40. Mind blowing 🤯
The speed of someone running a near 3:40 mile is nothing close to someone running a "9 second" 100 meter. Take Usain Bolt's 9.69 second 100 meter run time, and times it by 16 (for 1600 meters.) It comes out to be roughly 2 minutes and 58 seconds. If someone can run a 13 second 100 meter pace for a mile, it comes out to be 3 minutes and 47 seconds. *which would still not be a world record* The speed and power required to go from a 13 second 100 meter dash, to a sub-10 second 100 meter dash is not a cake walk.
Her : babe I’m home alone, but my parents only stepped out for 4 minutes.
This guy :
Why don’t they just run faster?
because it takes a LOT of stamina. They are already running their fastest. It takes a ton of training and prep.
@@KP-md3oe yes
Nebneb 5 oh shit you’ve found it out, might aswell get 3:30 if they’re going to bother running faster
Noureddine Morceli
2:38 the legend from my city.
I remember watching him live.