My thought is this was a manic episode. It happened to me once…I just felt a need to drive, pulled into a campground and proceeded to hike up into the far off hills. Fortunately I ran into some other hikers who were concerned about me and convinced me to go back down with them. I’m on medication and stable now. I can’t tell you a clear reason for why I did it. I just felt like walking, and it seemed reasonable at the time.
It always blows my mind when you eventually bring up that you actually went to the location to do some filming. I was like no way he's done it again 😂. You're on a roll, I love your work.
Honestly, any excuse to visit the Cascades is a good excuse. It's incredibly beautiful in that area. The Cascade rail tunnel's west portal is about a half mile from where her car was abandoned. I used to drive up there to take photos of trains coming out of the tunnel. It's just a gorgeous place!
Her mother seems to be in protective mode, playing it off like her daughter just ran out of gas and then got lost. It’s pretty evident that Gia suffered a mental breakdown.
You seem to respect people, the truth, life, and truly care about the content you’re making more than any other “mystery” UA-camr I’ve seen out there. You’re an inspiration to me! Thank you. I appreciate you.
I’d be very curious to know what Gia was saying to the Chalet owners. Did she deny taking the the Bigfoot keychains? Did she even realize she was stealing? Gia was clearly having a manic episode during this ordeal and I hope she is getting the help she needs. I am also assuming that is why she changed her social media presence later, to give her a chance to get better and start again.
@@_nick_d sometimes people think others are chasing them when they become manic. Changing appearance doesn’t mean she was willfully or knowingly stealing on its own. I’m not disagreeing with you either, but making sense of erratic behavior is difficult or impossible. As I said before, I really hope she gets the help she needs.
I think most people who move around these unsolved case circles underestimate how quickly a manic episode or other similar event can make a person go from their usual behaviour to completely unrecognisable and incomprehensible within just a few days. It would appear that only those who've seen it happen to someone close to them are aware of how common this is and how rapidly it escalates.
So true. I’ve seen it myself several times. Was married to someone with severe manic episodes for 13 years. It’s hard to explain it. Like you said… unless you’ve seen it and been thru it with a loved one you can’t understand.
As someone who's always been fascinated by missing persons cases, i deeply appreciate your channel as one of the only ones that attempts to fully investigate these cases in a logical manner rather than assume supernatural causes from the start. Some of these cases can't be explained, and may never be explained, but you provide information that I believe is crucial in better understanding why people end up in these situations and how better to approach them when information is sparse.
Have you heard of Missing 411? It tells of many people that disappear in National Parks and forests in the US. The military and green berets take part in searches and don't update the families. Feet in running shoes keep washing up on the west coast.
Scary hearing this story. A few years ago I had a severe depressive episode. My Dad was dying, my GF left me for someone else and I became an addict and this happened to me in my 40’s - it seemed odd to me to get a drug/drinking habit at that age. Anyway, I wasn’t right and I knew it. I would attempt to exercise a lot to pass the time oddly enough, I would mountain bike for hours on end. One morning before a ride, I was speaking with a friend and they noted I wasn’t coherent. They called the cops for a wellness check and I was put in a psych ward. I was there for 3 days and I don’t think it was necessary BUT I did lose my mind for a bit. Not as bad as Gia but I wasn’t right. It can happen to any of us. I think back to that time in my life (3 years ago) and can’t believe I acted that way. Weird
Not so weird!...The human mind needs structure, routine, etc in order to work effectively. Your structure and routines were very disrupted. Glad you got better.
There must have been some sort of glitch in the matrix three years ago because of all of the people who went through this kind of thing. It was the pandemic i think it made people feel trapped and afraid.
Mental health break, a temporary meltdown, a burn out, psychosis or depression, bipolar disorder, PTSD, even insomnia etc might be connected to many, many disappearances.. even if they didn't mean to disappear, they might have just wandered off and gotten lost.. it's really sad.
Agreed. Another common thing to understand is that late onset schizophrenia can occur in peoples’ twenties or even later. That could be one of many factors for why people disappear into the woods.
I am constantly recommending this channel to people. Especially to those that are still on the missing 411 , and it’s writers , train. I just want people interested in the subject to know that at least in some of these cases things aren’t as mysterious as they have been formerly presented by others. Not when you actually have all the facts .
I have found it interesting that since you have started your channel, you have never received an apology or a reply from that channel. But I’m beginning to realize is that there is quite an ego involved. And according to recent developments, his ego is now as big as all outdoors. this is sad because I love his content, but I enjoy very much finding out that there is more, another side to the story, (thanks to you). He doesn’t seem to realize it yet. He apparently has bigger fish to fry.
@@jeffknetzer856 DP is more into his 'politics'. I've seen quite a few people state they left his channel cause he couldn't keep his political view out of it. He actually claimed he would never talk politics a while back.
@@deerichardz I’m one of them. I’m definitely not right wing but even if I was, I would not want to watch David P. give me his version of the news . I love that he claims it’s all facts. He doesn’t say anything but the facts. And when I still sub to his channel I watched a few of those episodes when he first started rambling on about current events and even in those episodes several times I heard him say he got this information from a friend that he trusts that’s not facts. That’s opinions . I guess at the end of the day there are literally thousands of places to get your news. Right or left wing. I would rather hear the same things said by the professionals. Not the author of some missing people books.
This is a little speculation on my part, but given that the summer of 2020 was already a strange time due to the pandemic, it's possible that it got Gia thinking about her sister and just hit a depressive spiral of some sort. I was also living in Washington when this happened and even was in the area just 3 days before her disappearance. I think a lot of us were feeling a mental strain from the uncertainty of the times. Just happy that she was found and hopefully is doing well these days.
@@asmodiusjones9563 Because that takes away from the fact people just have episodes sometimes because of something going on inside, not the world around them. Just because it was during that time period does not mean it had anything to do with this. Correlation does not imply causation.
@@rattoota Covid lockdowns, especially in schools, destroyed the mental health of young people that they will living with forever. To pretend that this could have nothing to do with it is kind of disgusting. You are probably one of those people that encouraged the lockdowns and thought students would be just fine. They never will be
Everything must be considered, but she was only two years old when her stepsister died. I wonder if she was a lonely girl who wished she had a sister or close friend, a confidant perhaps. The strange behavior afterward is the truly inexplicable part.
This channel is so good. I was huge M411 fan but now that I’m hearing more of the facts, I’m starting to understand these cases better and that they have more rational explanations. And that mental health (and addiction and recovery as in several other cases) does appear to play a larger role than presented in M411.
I totally remember when this happened. I was following the news. Weren't a lot of people skeptical about her story and at least, at first, people thought she was lying? I remember searchers saying she couldn't have survived the way she did on just berries and river water. They believed she had to have food and water. I thought people were thinking she "disappeared" on purpose and it was done for attention. Still lots of question, but glad she's ok. Another great video TME, you never disappoint.
I don’t understand the suspicions she was gone for less than a week had access to moisture and water as well as food via what was around her. I am honestly glad she didn’t die from eating something poisonous or got hurt as that would seriously lower her chances. Glad she was found and is getting the help she needs now
I tried using this story to drift back to sleep after waking up in the wee hours this morning, but got too interested in it to let go! So glad Gia was found alive
It’s a very good thing that authorities didn’t give up searching for her , it’s seems rare nowadays that lost people are found alive . It’s nice to hear that she was found and I hope she recovers quickly from whatever got into her mind .
My son, who is bipolar, was backpacking with us and became manic, decided that the trees were getting greener and therefore that’s where we needed to go…to find water. He took off, and with other family members to take care of, we couldn’t follow his delusion. A long night without him and a long story short, his brother found him the following day, but OMG. I feel for that girl and what she went through and glad she was ok, but mental illness and alone in the woods is scary for any person experiencing it and also for the family that loves them.
@@scrapelifeQ45 They stated that they couldn't follow him due to having other family members to take care of. It's right above your comment if you wanna, you know, read it.
@@scrapelifeQ45 Yeah well you with your clearly superior intellect would have no problem with a full adult running off, you could just control them with your mind powers.
Credit to the searchers for not giving up and locating her. That area is very familiar to me as my son and I made many visits there over several years to explore the area and view railroad trains exiting and entering the west portal of the Cascade Tunnel, which is only a few hundred feet from the place her car was found. The terrain there is challenging and the girl is very lucky to have survived.
There is something about this story I find totally "off." I don't know exactly what it is; but throughout the entire video, I never lost the feelings that things are being hidden. It's just my thoughts. Another great video. You are the best at what you do.
Your videos on missing people are by far the best on UA-cam. It appears others want there to be some paranormal reason so they are unable to think otherwise. Your videos have really changed my mind about 411 cases. People do mysteriously disappear and we do not know why in some cases. There is no evidence that its paranormal.
It's obvious you haven't listened to the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of cases going back hundreds of years where people disappear without a trace. Some are out of sight for mere seconds. Hundreds of searchers, dogs, helicopters. Not a trace. Sometimes the is a logical explanation. I've seen a few on this channel where the people were found. But then to say that that means the other thousands of cases that remain unsolved must have a simple explanation is really naive. I've been listening to all of these channels for YEARS. You really only know a small amount about this subject. I see people with similar comments. You don't know enough to know that you don't know.
you cannot throw all cases in the same basket. in my case i honestly doubt that Paulides - the father of the theme - wanted to sensationalize his investigation. i believe he was genuinely led to paranormal - or outside intervention - as he reviewed the reality of many cases. as far as water - a subset of cases extremely well documented the people are found face down in shallow water. many are found in areas that were previously searched meticulously numbers of times. numbers of times clothes and artifacts are found meticulously folded in an area the person never visited. in the majority of cases there is no sign of mental illness. numbers are extremely experienced hikers. one of the most astonishing for me is tracker dogs being unable to track a person past a point close to their disappearance.
My buddy Ricky was lost in the Wallowa Whitman mountains in Eastern Oregon for 2 weeks in the worst weather possible. Had a schizophrenic break or something. I must have cleared over 100 miles looking for him, until my feet bled. The entire Baker County Rescue Team and Sheriff K9.... he was in sweat pants and a white t when he walked out, discovered we broke his car window so he got in his car and got some clothes and went to sleep. They were calling off the search that day.😂 stressful 😅 he shouldn't have made it. I was geared up and cold. The sleet like rain made everything treacherous.
@@deanfirnatine7814 yeah he basically walked bare foot from cornucopia peek too the upper part of Indian crossing, on the Imnaha River, and back. There was snow still on the peaks. He said he crossed the river and almost died. Spring run off. He slept on that side of the river for 3 days and snapped out of his dementia and ate a couple morel mushrooms and started looking for where he was. He started down that bank for a day and almost made it to Indian crossing campground and decided he better go back to the way he'd come from. He didn't want to get more lost. From that point he retraced his path somehow and it took him 5 day's or so to get back. He didn't really eat anything for 2 weeks. He looked like those pictures from a concentration camp.
@@damon2772nomadThat's pretty remarkable he survived one night. It's been really wet this spring and summer. I'll bet we get lots of snow this year. 😢
You can certainly understand why someone at a low point mentally or emotionally would want to go to a place so peaceful. Most people romanticize these types of places without realizing just how dangerous they can actually be. Truly is a miracle that young lady survived out there that long. I hope the younger generation gets some experience outdoors and puts down all the social media which is a huge factor in the rise of depression, anxiety and other disorders in my opinion. Stay safe everyone! Thanks for this video and the awareness you're bringing to people. 👍
No, social media is merely a failed solution to the entirely rational response of depression and anxiety when previous generations destroy the planet, the economy, the housing market, traditional media, higher ed, etc. Stop blaming us for what you did before we could vote
@@detectivewiggles good points but only a handful of people can be blamed for your list of grievances and they are currently untouchable, so lashing out at powerless strangers on the internet achieves nothing.
The poor girl......her heart was broken over the death of her stepsister. The boyfriend's testimony about her incoherence right before she disappeared is telling.
Missing 411 tells of many people that go missing in National Parks and forests. The military and green berets take part in searches and don't update the families. The park service says they don't keep track of the missing people. Just feet in running shoes keep washing up on the west coast. Stay protected if you go in the forest.
I live in Redmond, Washington and have been up on highway 2 toward Steven's Pass many times. It is cold at night winter or summer. So glad she was found alive. I think there were many people praying for her safe return! God knows how to find the lost!
I got really sick once and wasn't taking good care of myself. My potassium levels dropped super low and that totally messed me up physically and mentally. It was astonishing at how rapidly it happened and put me in a place where I couldnt take care of myself and just got rapidly worse and worse. I wonder if something similar happens in these cases.
I believe micronutrient deficiencies are responsible for many, if not most mental health cases, but it’s something that’s just overlooked. What’s even worse is the drugs used to treat mental health disorders also cause micronutrient deficiencies.
@@rockstarofredondo B-vitamins play a key role in mental stability. Thiamine (Vitamin B-1) is used in converting carbs to energy. High carb intake can deplete your thiamine level. Alcohol, teas, and raw fish consumption can also deplete thiamine. Low thiamine can cause all kinds of neurological problems (confusion, restlessness, ataxia, etc). This is just one example of a micronutrient deficiency as you suspect (and I agree).
@@AriePharmD preach! You can actually become permanently brain-damaged and even die from b vitamin deficiencies if it gets bad enough. Shamefully, these deficiencies are very common, probably mostly due to high-carb modern diets as you mentioned, but almost never looked for in routine medical exams. Keep spreading the word!
@@rockstarofredondo I agree with you wholeheartedly. Other factors that can lead to vitamin B (B1, B2, B3, B6, B9, B12, etc) deficiencies are eating Vegan, having Crohn’s, irritable bowel disease, colitis, pancreatitis, being an alcoholic, having gastric bypass surgery just to list a few. Taking a B-Complex may not be sufficient in the cases listed above but it’s a start. Here’s to our path to better health.
I think for many content creators it’s easier to apply a supernatural explanation to a mystery than it is to look into a mirror and ponder the mysteries of the human condition
21:40 That is something that I often see people disregard. People sometimes just do things. You can't assume foul play every time someone does something "not logical" when they get lost. Mental health issues or not.
Exactly. I have pretty severe mental health issues and have had several manic episodes, and some of the stuff I did makes no sense to even me, even though I’m the one who did them!
Reasoning the phenomena of a missing person going upwards when in a terrain that has such topography may be more along the lines of trying to find a vantage point... Thank you for your wonderful videos highlighting such important subject matter.
Wow, I cannot count the number of times that I've stopped at that Chalet coffee stand on my way to Leavenworth from Seattle. And because I know just how much of a cheerful and inviting place the Chalet is, it makes seeing that footage of Gia and how she was acting there all the more a chilling story for me. I applaud you for the way that you research these cases and especially for the sensitivity you show toward those who may be suffering through a mental health episode. Your follow up on this case is greatly appreciated.
I've heard Gia's story several times but for some reason never realized it occurred on Steven's Pass outside Seattle. Im very familiar with this beautiful area and have camped and hiked there many times. Glad you got to experience it for yourself. Great update. Thanks a bunch🌟🌟🌟
Hey just want to take a second to thank the creative director of this channel, Nick. Nick was kind enough to answer a message personally that I sent him. I asked him for some advice and tips on my journey to become a fellow creator he was so kind and gracious with his time and really was super helpful. I just wanted to publicly thank him for his help.... Thanks dude your the shit! 😊
Thank you for researching this story. News coverage was dropped once she was found. Left us with so many unanswered questions. I assumed it was a familily or boyfriend problem. Yes, its personal but it was all over the news. We'll never know it all. Was also deep into covid which put many people over the top. Thank you!
Thank you so much for this update. I was kinda hoping that you were going to interview the shop owners and the barista (if available). I was wondering what was said, and how Gia appeared to those who interacted with her. I have no sense of direction, or more accurately, my internal compass seems to be backwards. I can get turned around very easily, so I can only imagine being in some sort of fugue, or even just being dehydrated or emotionally upset in addition to wandering off in an unfamiliar place. It would be so easy to get lost in all that vast wilderness. I am glad that she was found, and hope that she is receiving all the love and care she needs to move forward with her life in joy. I agree, there must hundreds of other cases where there was some sort of emotional instability or mental illness component that may have affected a person getting lost.
I remember this case. I live in this area and my mom taught at Tahoma for 25 years. I remember people being so crass about it, brushing it off as some mental breakdown ‘as kids do that these days’, and that she was ‘being stupid and reckless and no wonder she went missing’. Even my own high school friends didn’t seem to care too much, saying ‘she’d be back eventually’. It was actually really sad the apathy that surrounded this case.
I'm SHOCKED ive never heard of this case, I must have missed the old video. I've been to the Chalet dozens of times, up Beckler river, all over hwy2 and the pass. It's so easy to get so lost. It sounds like she was not in the right mental state and simply wandered off. Im amazed they found her alive, wow. Nearly all of the cases like this end up and bone fragments years down the line.
What a beautiful area! She’s very lucky to be found. I agree, I believe her mental state had a part in this bazaar case. I’m happy there was a positive outcome and I hope that she is in a much better place, mentally, these days. Great coverage, you never disappoint!
One of the reasons “odd behavior” isn’t always initially reported when people go missing is that often times fewer people show up to search and searches are often called off earlier when this is known. Sad but true. The assumption being an adult chose to take off or go off and commit suicide. Most SAR members are volunteer. Also, and not saying that this is the case here, but strange and and weird things can also happen to those experiencing mental health issues. It can make it harder to figure out obviously.
WOW - excellent video on what was an incredible missing persons case (I live in WA and followed the story in detail at the time). I think what was most impressive (other than that Gia survived) is what a thorough search/investigation LE conducted. Sadly many missing people don't get nearly that kind of involvement, even if it's a mental health crisis. Thanks for following up with so many case details... I hope Gia is doing well.
You do a good job on these podcasts, this is the third I just finished watching two others. The information is presented really well and easy to follow. Keep up the good work.
I have went a LONG time without food, but water clearly saved her while almost risking her life because someone who is wet and cold at night could easily have gotten sick or hypothermic. I do hope she went to a mental health physician and explored what happened as it could happen again very easily. I also wish that the owners at the big foot bodega type place would have done an interview to explain what their interaction with her was. Was she confused or was she aggressive or just unaware of her surroundings? The way her messages read reminds me of a girl I knew in college who did too many hallucinogens too often and would send people bizarre semi aggressive messages or take a sun chair and put it in the middle of campus where people drove and wear her snowboarding goggles while in a bikini and would only eat ketchup out of bowls in the cafeteria. She seemed to always be confused about things while actively being defiant in regards to her needing help.
from a different thread: @betterl8thannvr so I did talk to the owners today. An interesting bit of detail, the video mentions that she appears to walk down a trail, but the actual public trail is on the other end of the chalet parking lot. Where Gia walked was actually down a ravine behind the parking lot towards the owners' house. While she was back there, she picked up a garden tool and smashed a bench that they had back there. She then started picking up other garden tools and setting them down very neatly arranged next to each other. The owners are very sweet people and don't seem to harbor any ill will about the incident, but are curious how Gia is doing these days.
I am currently doing some personal exploration on Tonga Ridge, which Surprise Creek drains from. I have found a bunch of different small ponds, lakelets, and tarns on Google Earth that I am trying to reach for a photo essay. This is the headwater area, and the place Gia was found is about 2,000 feet of elevation below where i am exploring. This being said, she was in a place that was very steep, rugged, and overgrown with salmon berry bushes, which have nasty little thorns covering them, and tend to be especially thick around water sources (i.e. the creek bed). Once in the creek, it would have been easiest for her to stay in it. HOWEVER, from the description, it is quite amazing she did not succumb to hypothermia. It is, after all, direct snowmelt. And no shoes...... She would have been truly stuck once she lost them. It is hard enough to keep your footing with shoes on, but no shoes? Well, that is only two more things that add to the oddness of all of this.... A strange case, indeed...
Very good video and I think that your anaylsis is spot on. So many of the "Missing Persons" videos leave out key pieces of info to make the stories seem more sensational. She obviously has mental health issues and needs counseling or treatment. Thank you for looking at these stories objectively.
I'd love for you to make an entire video on paradoxical undressing. I find the topic absolutely fascinating, especially with people who should be aware of the phenomenon and should be able to try to resist it
That’s not how it works unfortunately. Once you’re at that point in hyperthermia you’re not thinking rationally. People take their clothes off because it feels like your skin is burning.
You continue to be the most thorough, and my favorite, of all the missing persons channels out there. You go into the important details that so many other channels intentionally leave out to make it seem more mysterious. Thank you for doing what you do
I also have Bipolar and it sounds like she had a manic episode. It happens often. Bipolar is a struggle your born with. Incurable and it's for life. That alone is a huge hit to the soul. Every day is a struggle. The older you get the better you deal with it because you know what's happening next. Hard to explain, but I'm now 50 and I usually know what's going to happen during the first start of a high or low.
Just a reminder that psychology is still a very young and developing field, and that while personality disorders are reasonably well defined and understood, that there still is a lot we simply don't know about. These things definitely need to be taken seriously, but no one should feel like they are doomed by a diagnosis. Every case is different. Also, never leave it at a self-diagnosis. If you think that you are suffering from mental health issues, always get a professional involved and be open to discuss your experiences and do not simply discount what they are saying. It is easy to become frustrated and feel like you know better than them what is best for you, but it is sometimes hard to diagnose a problem with a miscalibrated tool. Always remember that mental health is a journey, not a destination. Stay save out there
i do not have bi-polar but in my older age i emphasize the importance of being aware of your emotional state. we have good moments and bad moments and it is important to compensate. i have low times where i have the most terrible thoughts in particular. people used to say " sleep on it. " the next day often brings a different point of view.
@@horrorhotel1999 I was first diagnosed as Bipolar 2 whatever that is, then my suicide attempts at 20 and younger had me re-diagnosed as strait up Bipolar. I refuse to take meds for it as when I was 20 I was on over 10 different meds and I was a zombie. I decided to quit meds 100% it's been 32 years without meds. Yes it's been hell but I still won't go beck to meds. I am however taking natural meds for bipolar which helps me alot better. It won't hide it so everyday is a massive struggle. Natural meds and my Bible helps so much.
Thanks for this man and for highlighting mental health, it's totally misunderstood and is often ignored and is scary when it happens to you, as the case of this young girl shows. Thanks again you have a wonderful truthful channel and long may you continue with these important stories of the missing, God bless.
The audio on the parents' interview is really quiet. This case should be cited for a lot of unsolved disappearances; the only difference here is that they found Gia and thus could *prove* that she was having a mental health issue when she got lost. Not that "mental issues" are the answer for absolutely everything, but a lot of humans react to their life falling apart/new onset of a mental disorder by wanting to isolate themself, and the woods are great for that...
Same! I haven't been able to sleep and watching his videos helps relax me, something about his voice and calming demeanor funnily enough works perfectly with this type of content 😉
This one has always intrigued me too! Thanks for covering it so thoroughly and for also pointing out the issues central (but often overlooked) to the event .
Gia's missing time is curious. With her dwelling on the death of her stepsister it's possible she had a fugue state. Many an avenue to explore. An intriguing follow up. Thanks Mr. Kyle
Thank you for sharing this incredible story! Well done! So glad she was found unharmed!! I just came across your channel and I’m looking forward to more of your videos. and thanks so much for sharing the beautiful Cascades - what a breathtaking area 💖
I am obsessed with your work on this channel I only wish you put out a video every week or more. But I know doing a good job requires being thorough and requesting information from the government takes some time. Please carry on!
Wonderful to show the trip to the Cascades at the end. I truly enjoy your approach to videos. Maybe it's the Midwestern and Stoic in me, idk...but you do quality content!
I’m grateful that she was found alive and is in a better state of mind now. I hope that this beautiful young woman finds her bliss and lives a fulfilling life.
Great work again going on site to show us the location! Gia was very lucky especially that she went missing in Washington's beautiful mountain forests during a good time of year. A survivalist with knowledge of edible plants and self care could probably get by almost comfortably out there during the warm seasons. The lush Washington forests during late spring and summer are some of the few places on Earth that would offer relative safety to a lost person
Sometimes we can't comprehend another's sadness at the loss of someone close. I felt myself losing a sense of reality after grieving my dog for a year. I'm a 67 year old man who has seldom cried in his life, but I snapped into maniac crying sessions when I least expected., I quit my job, cut ties with friends and family, obsessed myself with how to disappear. It was a crazy, crazy time in my life. I'll say, though it is completely wrong for strangers online, who have no experience with deep grief to speculate and conjure up conspiracy theories. The lives, and emotions of people are not entertainment for others. This is a young girl we're talking about here.
Another great video!! In these instances where the person isn’t found or found after their death, a lot of false assumptions are usually made or made up, should I say. Your statement “The only one who knows is the Cascade mountains” Is true. Any other added information is just that, added, And mostly false. Thank you for your commitment to the truth in these incidents.
hey missing engima. commenting here from a different name this time before it was injigo. just wanna let you know im still listening and appreciate all your videos
As of 2024 I hope Gia is doing okay, mental health issues can be so soul destroying for all involved, there’s no shame in mental health issues, yes it’s hard at times to explain to others or for others to understand, but you just got to seek help before it gets out of hand, I’m hoping her family keeps a close eye on things and gets her the proper help and treatment it’s no good being in denial or overlooking things like this, talking from experience. Thanks for covering this case.
I'm glad she was found safe, amazing how she doesn't recall missing for several days and nights...she definitely had some kind of mental breakdown... I hope she's doing well today.
There is so much more to this story. Your comprehensive retelling is leaving me with more questions. I see comments here mention a possible manic episode. Quite possibly. Thank you for another great video!
Missing 'Nigma somehow can tell a story I've already heard multiple times, yet keeps my full attention for the entirety of every upload hes made. I personally believe this channel is pound for pound the best channel on the platform today. Pound for pound best as In regardless of channel genres.. & I can't pinpoint exactly why I feel that way also lol For example: If every channel I liked on UA-cam dropped a video missing Enigma would be the first one I watch & will watch it front to back
The human mind and why different people do different things will never be understood by use, there are too many variables. Thanks for the video, I always jump right on any time a new one shows up!
I grew up in that area and you're absolutely right about the brush, it is really thick and the chances of finding someone lost up there are slim to none!
Great story.. thank you for touching on the possibility of mental health playing a roll.. it needs to be taken into consideration more in these mysterious situations...
Makes you wonder what she was doing during those days she was missing. I'm glad she survived the ordeal because too many are never found or were found dead. Great video. Thank you for sharing.
Thank You for doing such a superbly detailed & informative job when presenting these cases. You always tell the absolute truth, you don't sugar coat or make weird, bizarre speculations. What a beautiful isolated scenic view, though - its gorgeous! Thank you, you are becoming one of my all-time favorite channels (and I'm picky! LOL)
My husband's uncle started acting very strangely out of nowhere once. He kept trying to eat his watch. Turned out it was an electrolyte imbalance. The doc straightened that out and he was instantly back to normal. That happened to a man that was eating and drinking regularly, so just imagine the state of mind a person could be in after wandering lost without food or water. People so often try to analyze the behavior of the lost from a point of logic and reason when the person was actually acting without either.
Look into Hannah Upp. She disappeared 3 times, and was found twice in a fugue state. She last went missing in 2017 while on vacation in St. Thomas, Virgin Islands, and has not been found.
Another excellent video from an excellent channel. Thank you so much for your hard work and professionalism in producing such fascinating content. Warmest regards from England. Felix.
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We can only hope that Gia find this video, and are in a better place today, willing to speak to you and tell her story. That would have been awesome
Hey homes,Christin was talking about after the car ran out of gas,and was looking for a footbridge,to cross the highway.
TheMissingEnigma....when traveling in the area she was found did you happen to see Bigfoot? just curious.😉😉🤣🤣😂😂 and yes I do believe in Bigfoot.
I absolutely believe this was a mental health incident.
Reminds me of the girl who went missing in California Mitrice Richards.. They both started acting strange before they went missing
My thought is this was a manic episode. It happened to me once…I just felt a need to drive, pulled into a campground and proceeded to hike up into the far off hills. Fortunately I ran into some other hikers who were concerned about me and convinced me to go back down with them.
I’m on medication and stable now. I can’t tell you a clear reason for why I did it. I just felt like walking, and it seemed reasonable at the time.
I'm glad those other hikers were concerned for your well being.
I’m glad to hear you are doing better with medication. Blessings your way 🙏
Surviving in the wilderness without shit ........Les Stroud would be fascinated
I've done this once... manic episode... I'm on lithium now... Probably saved my life
Sounds like Forest Gump. I just felt like walking
It always blows my mind when you eventually bring up that you actually went to the location to do some filming. I was like no way he's done it again 😂. You're on a roll, I love your work.
Honestly, any excuse to visit the Cascades is a good excuse. It's incredibly beautiful in that area. The Cascade rail tunnel's west portal is about a half mile from where her car was abandoned. I used to drive up there to take photos of trains coming out of the tunnel. It's just a gorgeous place!
I dont understand? Why wouldn't you want to travel. This area looks unbelievable
@@petayV8because it's boring
@@jake-qn3tl nah because it's expensive
@@shookt1569 And time away from work. Yeah you're right
Her mother seems to be in protective mode, playing it off like her daughter just ran out of gas and then got lost. It’s pretty evident that Gia suffered a mental breakdown.
Protecting or in denial
It's evident, but also none of our business
@@pedrosp5969 Thank you for your opinion.
@@gustavgnoettgen Thank you for your insightful comment.
@@pedrosp5969 No problem, its always a pleasure.
You seem to respect people, the truth, life, and truly care about the content you’re making more than any other “mystery” UA-camr I’ve seen out there. You’re an inspiration to me! Thank you. I appreciate you.
Some have humor where none is appropriate.
@@cyclone8974 Agreed, that's what turns me off a lot of true crime channels. Making jokes about situations where people have been killed.
@@redward98 There is a UA-camr I won't name that does it for nearly all of their videos.
@@cyclone8974 ThatChapter.
@@cyclone8974 people should name these channels so we gould avoid these channels and stop supporting them
I’d be very curious to know what Gia was saying to the Chalet owners. Did she deny taking the the Bigfoot keychains? Did she even realize she was stealing?
Gia was clearly having a manic episode during this ordeal and I hope she is getting the help she needs. I am also assuming that is why she changed her social media presence later, to give her a chance to get better and start again.
My thoughts exactly.
I don’t think she was clueless bc she changed her appearance (bright red shirt) was not on.
@@_nick_d sometimes people think others are chasing them when they become manic. Changing appearance doesn’t mean she was willfully or knowingly stealing on its own. I’m not disagreeing with you either, but making sense of erratic behavior is difficult or impossible. As I said before, I really hope she gets the help she needs.
@@_nick_d Or she just got hot and took her sweatshirt off? It's not that deep
Feel bad for the chalet owners hope they got the $$ for the merchandise.
Thanks for always staying on top of your previous stories, you're one of the few that do it.
Yeah, I LOVE that too!!
❤ and appreciate it too
I think most people who move around these unsolved case circles underestimate how quickly a manic episode or other similar event can make a person go from their usual behaviour to completely unrecognisable and incomprehensible within just a few days. It would appear that only those who've seen it happen to someone close to them are aware of how common this is and how rapidly it escalates.
It's America, mental health here is poorly understood. We only care about weapons and oil.
So true. I’ve seen it myself several times. Was married to someone with severe manic episodes for 13 years. It’s hard to explain it. Like you said… unless you’ve seen it and been thru it with a loved one you can’t understand.
Yep, this is especially true when you add in lack of sleep and food.
Her sad remberance of her sister after that many years was leading to a manic depressive instance and God I pray her family sought professional help.
BS
As someone who's always been fascinated by missing persons cases, i deeply appreciate your channel as one of the only ones that attempts to fully investigate these cases in a logical manner rather than assume supernatural causes from the start. Some of these cases can't be explained, and may never be explained, but you provide information that I believe is crucial in better understanding why people end up in these situations and how better to approach them when information is sparse.
Have you heard of Missing 411? It tells of many people that disappear in National Parks and forests in the US. The military and green berets take part in searches and don't update the families. Feet in running shoes keep washing up on the west coast.
Scary hearing this story. A few years ago I had a severe depressive episode. My Dad was dying, my GF left me for someone else and I became an addict and this happened to me in my 40’s - it seemed odd to me to get a drug/drinking habit at that age.
Anyway, I wasn’t right and I knew it. I would attempt to exercise a lot to pass the time oddly enough, I would mountain bike for hours on end.
One morning before a ride, I was speaking with a friend and they noted I wasn’t coherent. They called the cops for a wellness check and I was put in a psych ward. I was there for 3 days and I don’t think it was necessary BUT I did lose my mind for a bit. Not as bad as Gia but I wasn’t right. It can happen to any of us.
I think back to that time in my life (3 years ago) and can’t believe I acted that way. Weird
Not so weird!...The human mind needs structure, routine, etc in order to work effectively. Your structure and routines were very disrupted. Glad you got better.
I think most people experience an episode of some kind in their life. Most of us get through it and go on. Some need help.
There must have been some sort of glitch in the matrix three years ago because of all of the people who went through this kind of thing.
It was the pandemic i think it made people feel trapped and afraid.
@@miapdx503 Most people?
Hope things are better now my friend.
Mental health break, a temporary meltdown, a burn out, psychosis or depression, bipolar disorder, PTSD, even insomnia etc might be connected to many, many disappearances.. even if they didn't mean to disappear, they might have just wandered off and gotten lost.. it's really sad.
And wearing masks wasn't helping either.
@@travisn346 Masks? What do they have to do with anything?
@@einienj3281they contribute to social isolation, lack of communication and hide facial expression.
@@travisn346 Just like beards
Agreed. Another common thing to understand is that late onset schizophrenia can occur in peoples’ twenties or even later. That could be one of many factors for why people disappear into the woods.
I am constantly recommending this channel to people. Especially to those that are still on the missing 411 , and it’s writers , train. I just want people interested in the subject to know that at least in some of these cases things aren’t as mysterious as they have been formerly presented by others. Not when you actually have all the facts .
Missing 411 author makes clear only a small % fit into those 411 cases
@@deanfirnatine7814 he also knowingly lies
I have found it interesting that since you have started your channel, you have never received an apology or a reply from that channel. But I’m beginning to realize is that there is quite an ego involved. And according to recent developments, his ego is now as big as all outdoors. this is sad because I love his content, but I enjoy very much finding out that there is more, another side to the story, (thanks to you). He doesn’t seem to realize it yet. He apparently has bigger fish to fry.
@@jeffknetzer856 DP is more into his 'politics'. I've seen quite a few people state they left his channel cause he couldn't keep his political view out of it. He actually claimed he would never talk politics a while back.
@@deerichardz I’m one of them. I’m definitely not right wing but even if I was, I would not want to watch David P. give me his version of the news . I love that he claims it’s all facts. He doesn’t say anything but the facts. And when I still sub to his channel I watched a few of those episodes when he first started rambling on about current events and even in those episodes several times I heard him say he got this information from a friend that he trusts that’s not facts. That’s opinions . I guess at the end of the day there are literally thousands of places to get your news. Right or left wing. I would rather hear the same things said by the professionals. Not the author of some missing people books.
Thanks for going back to Gia's case.
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This is a little speculation on my part, but given that the summer of 2020 was already a strange time due to the pandemic, it's possible that it got Gia thinking about her sister and just hit a depressive spiral of some sort. I was also living in Washington when this happened and even was in the area just 3 days before her disappearance. I think a lot of us were feeling a mental strain from the uncertainty of the times. Just happy that she was found and hopefully is doing well these days.
I thought of that too, I like his description of a fugue state. I am sure much more help and love has come her way. Privately thankfully.
Yeah - I don’t know why he didn’t mention that this was the height of COVID, seems like pretty important context here.
@@asmodiusjones9563 Because that takes away from the fact people just have episodes sometimes because of something going on inside, not the world around them. Just because it was during that time period does not mean it had anything to do with this. Correlation does not imply causation.
@@rattoota Covid lockdowns, especially in schools, destroyed the mental health of young people that they will living with forever. To pretend that this could have nothing to do with it is kind of disgusting. You are probably one of those people that encouraged the lockdowns and thought students would be just fine. They never will be
Everything must be considered, but she was only two years old when her stepsister died. I wonder if she was a lonely girl who wished she had a sister or close friend, a confidant perhaps. The strange behavior afterward is the truly inexplicable part.
This channel is so good. I was huge M411 fan but now that I’m hearing more of the facts, I’m starting to understand these cases better and that they have more rational explanations. And that mental health (and addiction and recovery as in several other cases) does appear to play a larger role than presented in M411.
Love how honoring, intentional and involved this channel is! So happy to see your channel growing man; you deserve it.
I totally remember when this happened. I was following the news. Weren't a lot of people skeptical about her story and at least, at first, people thought she was lying? I remember searchers saying she couldn't have survived the way she did on just berries and river water. They believed she had to have food and water. I thought people were thinking she "disappeared" on purpose and it was done for attention. Still lots of question, but glad she's ok. Another great video TME, you never disappoint.
All you need is water.
@@thosearentpillows5638 Planes, Trains and Automobiles. Fantastic movie.
He did say that there were salmon berries and huckleberries nearby. She might have eaten those to get by.
All that matters is she is safe.
I don’t understand the suspicions she was gone for less than a week had access to moisture and water as well as food via what was around her. I am honestly glad she didn’t die from eating something poisonous or got hurt as that would seriously lower her chances. Glad she was found and is getting the help she needs now
I tried using this story to drift back to sleep after waking up in the wee hours this morning, but got too interested in it to let go!
So glad Gia was found alive
It’s a very good thing that authorities didn’t give up searching for her , it’s seems rare nowadays that lost people are found alive . It’s nice to hear that she was found and I hope she recovers quickly from whatever got into her mind .
My son, who is bipolar, was backpacking with us and became manic, decided that the trees were getting greener and therefore that’s where we needed to go…to find water. He took off, and with other family members to take care of, we couldn’t follow his delusion. A long night without him and a long story short, his brother found him the following day, but OMG. I feel for that girl and what she went through and glad she was ok, but mental illness and alone in the woods is scary for any person experiencing it and also for the family that loves them.
Woah woah woah... so you knew he was having a moment and just let him take off?
@@scrapelifeQ45 They stated that they couldn't follow him due to having other family members to take care of. It's right above your comment if you wanna, you know, read it.
@@Natef89 No really? I never would've imagined. Just letting them go and worrying about it later shouldn't be an option.
@@scrapelifeQ45 Yeah well you with your clearly superior intellect would have no problem with a full adult running off, you could just control them with your mind powers.
@Natef89 if you know your son is bipolar and having an episode why the hell would you let them walk away and not follow
Credit to the searchers for not giving up and locating her. That area is very familiar to me as my son and I made many visits there over several years to explore the area and view railroad trains exiting and entering the west portal of the Cascade Tunnel, which is only a few hundred feet from the place her car was found. The terrain there is challenging and the girl is very lucky to have survived.
Excellent follow-up on this strange missing person case. I'm glad she was safely found. Thanks for sharing!
There is something about this story I find totally "off." I don't know exactly what it is; but throughout the entire video, I never lost the feelings that things are being hidden. It's just my thoughts. Another great video. You are the best at what you do.
A lot of people believed it was some kind of hoax from the beginning.
The chalet interaction needed more, they didn't explain what the owners followed her to her car for or what was said there... it seemed odd.
People still don’t want to share mental illnesses issues there is still a stigma and the MI want to deny it. And families do too.
Well put...
@@sarahoshea9603 Didn't he say she took something and left the store with it (meaning not paying for it)
this is a highly underrated channel. Keep up the great work!
Your videos on missing people are by far the best on UA-cam. It appears others want there to be some paranormal reason so they are unable to think otherwise. Your videos have really changed my mind about 411 cases. People do mysteriously disappear and we do not know why in some cases. There is no evidence that its paranormal.
It's obvious you haven't listened to the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of cases going back hundreds of years where people disappear without a trace. Some are out of sight for mere seconds. Hundreds of searchers, dogs, helicopters.
Not a trace.
Sometimes the is a logical explanation. I've seen a few on this channel where the people were found. But then to say that that means the other thousands of cases that remain unsolved must have a simple explanation is really naive.
I've been listening to all of these channels for YEARS.
You really only know a small amount about this subject.
I see people with similar comments.
You don't know enough to know that you don't know.
you cannot throw all cases in the same basket. in my case i honestly doubt that Paulides - the father of the theme - wanted to sensationalize his investigation. i believe he was genuinely led to paranormal - or outside intervention - as he reviewed the reality of many cases. as far as water - a subset of cases extremely well documented the people are found face down in shallow water. many are found in areas that were previously searched meticulously numbers of times. numbers of times clothes and artifacts are found meticulously folded in an area the person never visited. in the majority of cases there is no sign of mental illness. numbers are extremely experienced hikers. one of the most astonishing for me is tracker dogs being unable to track a person past a point close to their disappearance.
Snap opened the video as soon as I saw the notification! Great content from a great creator!
My buddy Ricky was lost in the Wallowa Whitman mountains in Eastern Oregon for 2 weeks in the worst weather possible. Had a schizophrenic break or something. I must have cleared over 100 miles looking for him, until my feet bled. The entire Baker County Rescue Team and Sheriff K9.... he was in sweat pants and a white t when he walked out, discovered we broke his car window so he got in his car and got some clothes and went to sleep. They were calling off the search that day.😂 stressful 😅 he shouldn't have made it. I was geared up and cold. The sleet like rain made everything treacherous.
The Wallowa's is no place to get lost, the terrain and weather make the Cascades look mild
@@deanfirnatine7814 yeah he basically walked bare foot from cornucopia peek too the upper part of Indian crossing, on the Imnaha River, and back. There was snow still on the peaks. He said he crossed the river and almost died. Spring run off. He slept on that side of the river for 3 days and snapped out of his dementia and ate a couple morel mushrooms and started looking for where he was. He started down that bank for a day and almost made it to Indian crossing campground and decided he better go back to the way he'd come from. He didn't want to get more lost. From that point he retraced his path somehow and it took him 5 day's or so to get back. He didn't really eat anything for 2 weeks. He looked like those pictures from a concentration camp.
@@damon2772nomad wow!!!
@@damon2772nomadThat's pretty remarkable he survived one night. It's been really wet this spring and summer. I'll bet we get lots of snow this year. 😢
@@damon2772nomadBruh, to and too are different words with different meanings.
You can certainly understand why someone at a low point mentally or emotionally would want to go to a place so peaceful. Most people romanticize these types of places without realizing just how dangerous they can actually be. Truly is a miracle that young lady survived out there that long. I hope the younger generation gets some experience outdoors and puts down all the social media which is a huge factor in the rise of depression, anxiety and other disorders in my opinion. Stay safe everyone! Thanks for this video and the awareness you're bringing to people. 👍
No, social media is merely a failed solution to the entirely rational response of depression and anxiety when previous generations destroy the planet, the economy, the housing market, traditional media, higher ed, etc. Stop blaming us for what you did before we could vote
@@detectivewiggles good points but only a handful of people can be blamed for your list of grievances and they are currently untouchable, so lashing out at powerless strangers on the internet achieves nothing.
The poor girl......her heart was broken over the death of her stepsister.
The boyfriend's testimony about her incoherence right before she disappeared is telling.
She could have been attacked by a Cougar, or even a bear...Those carnivores do roam the Cascade Range.
Missing 411 tells of many people that go missing in National Parks and forests. The military and green berets take part in searches and don't update the families. The park service says they don't keep track of the missing people. Just feet in running shoes keep washing up on the west coast. Stay protected if you go in the forest.
I live in Redmond, Washington and have been up on highway 2 toward Steven's Pass many times. It is cold at night winter or summer. So glad she was found alive. I think there were many people praying for her safe return! God knows how to find the lost!
I got really sick once and wasn't taking good care of myself. My potassium levels dropped super low and that totally messed me up physically and mentally. It was astonishing at how rapidly it happened and put me in a place where I couldnt take care of myself and just got rapidly worse and worse. I wonder if something similar happens in these cases.
I believe micronutrient deficiencies are responsible for many, if not most mental health cases, but it’s something that’s just overlooked. What’s even worse is the drugs used to treat mental health disorders also cause micronutrient deficiencies.
@@rockstarofredondo so true, and I agree with both of you. ❤😊
@@rockstarofredondo
B-vitamins play a key role in mental stability.
Thiamine (Vitamin B-1) is used in converting carbs to energy. High carb intake can deplete your thiamine level. Alcohol, teas, and raw fish consumption can also deplete thiamine. Low thiamine can cause all kinds of neurological problems (confusion, restlessness, ataxia, etc). This is just one example of a micronutrient deficiency as you suspect (and I agree).
@@AriePharmD preach! You can actually become permanently brain-damaged and even die from b vitamin deficiencies if it gets bad enough. Shamefully, these deficiencies are very common, probably mostly due to high-carb modern diets as you mentioned, but almost never looked for in routine medical exams. Keep spreading the word!
@@rockstarofredondo
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Other factors that can lead to vitamin B (B1, B2, B3, B6, B9, B12, etc) deficiencies are eating Vegan, having Crohn’s, irritable bowel disease, colitis, pancreatitis, being an alcoholic, having gastric bypass surgery just to list a few. Taking a B-Complex may not be sufficient in the cases listed above but it’s a start. Here’s to our path to better health.
I think for many content creators it’s easier to apply a supernatural explanation to a mystery than it is to look into a mirror and ponder the mysteries of the human condition
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That is something that I often see people disregard. People sometimes just do things. You can't assume foul play every time someone does something "not logical" when they get lost. Mental health issues or not.
Exactly. I have pretty severe mental health issues and have had several manic episodes, and some of the stuff I did makes no sense to even me, even though I’m the one who did them!
It reminds me of how people think they know why an author wrote something and the meaning behind it. There is a funny Southpark episode on it.
@SyntheticManiacNo, different person.
Reasoning the phenomena of a missing person going upwards when in a terrain that has such topography may be more along the lines of trying to find a vantage point...
Thank you for your wonderful videos highlighting such important subject matter.
Exactly. I've done it, trying to see farther, or trying to get a cell signal.
I hope Gia received the help she needed.
The pictures of the whole family in the hospital, with huge smiles, like nothing is wrong...is unnerving.
Wow, I cannot count the number of times that I've stopped at that Chalet coffee stand on my way to Leavenworth from Seattle. And because I know just how much of a cheerful and inviting place the Chalet is, it makes seeing that footage of Gia and how she was acting there all the more a chilling story for me. I applaud you for the way that you research these cases and especially for the sensitivity you show toward those who may be suffering through a mental health episode. Your follow up on this case is greatly appreciated.
I hope she’s doing ok. So glad she was found. Definitely a miracle. Deep respect to the SAR teams and LE.
I've heard Gia's story several times but for some reason never realized it occurred on Steven's Pass outside Seattle. Im very familiar with this beautiful area and have camped and hiked there many times. Glad you got to experience it for yourself. Great update. Thanks a bunch🌟🌟🌟
That's one of my favorite places on earth. I'm so glad she was found, she was clearly in a state of distress, and I hope she is doing better now.
Hey just want to take a second to thank the creative director of this channel, Nick. Nick was kind enough to answer a message personally that I sent him. I asked him for some advice and tips on my journey to become a fellow creator he was so kind and gracious with his time and really was super helpful. I just wanted to publicly thank him for his help.... Thanks dude your the shit! 😊
Thank you for researching this story. News coverage was dropped once she was found. Left us with so many unanswered questions. I assumed it was a familily or boyfriend problem. Yes, its personal but it was all over the news. We'll never know it all. Was also deep into covid which put many people over the top. Thank you!
Thank you so much for this update. I was kinda hoping that you were going to interview the shop owners and the barista (if available). I was wondering what was said, and how Gia appeared to those who interacted with her. I have no sense of direction, or more accurately, my internal compass seems to be backwards. I can get turned around very easily, so I can only imagine being in some sort of fugue, or even just being dehydrated or emotionally upset in addition to wandering off in an unfamiliar place. It would be so easy to get lost in all that vast wilderness. I am glad that she was found, and hope that she is receiving all the love and care she needs to move forward with her life in joy. I agree, there must hundreds of other cases where there was some sort of emotional instability or mental illness component that may have affected a person getting lost.
I remember this case. I live in this area and my mom taught at Tahoma for 25 years. I remember people being so crass about it, brushing it off as some mental breakdown ‘as kids do that these days’, and that she was ‘being stupid and reckless and no wonder she went missing’. Even my own high school friends didn’t seem to care too much, saying ‘she’d be back eventually’. It was actually really sad the apathy that surrounded this case.
Thank you for covering this in such a caring and respectful manner. It is important to show the real human side of life.
I'm SHOCKED ive never heard of this case, I must have missed the old video. I've been to the Chalet dozens of times, up Beckler river, all over hwy2 and the pass. It's so easy to get so lost. It sounds like she was not in the right mental state and simply wandered off. Im amazed they found her alive, wow. Nearly all of the cases like this end up and bone fragments years down the line.
Another awesome video Nick. Your thoroughness is greatly appreciated.
What a beautiful area! She’s very lucky to be found. I agree, I believe her mental state had a part in this bazaar case. I’m happy there was a positive outcome and I hope that she is in a much better place, mentally, these days. Great coverage, you never disappoint!
One of the reasons “odd behavior” isn’t always initially reported when people go missing is that often times fewer people show up to search and searches are often called off earlier when this is known. Sad but true. The assumption being an adult chose to take off or go off and commit suicide. Most SAR members are volunteer. Also, and not saying that this is the case here, but strange and and weird things can also happen to those experiencing mental health issues. It can make it harder to figure out obviously.
WOW - excellent video on what was an incredible missing persons case (I live in WA and followed the story in detail at the time). I think what was most impressive (other than that Gia survived) is what a thorough search/investigation LE conducted. Sadly many missing people don't get nearly that kind of involvement, even if it's a mental health crisis. Thanks for following up with so many case details... I hope Gia is doing well.
You do a good job on these podcasts, this is the third I just finished watching two others. The information is presented really well and easy to follow. Keep up the good work.
Best Missing Researcher. Thorough, rigorous and balanced when it comes to speculation.
I have went a LONG time without food, but water clearly saved her while almost risking her life because someone who is wet and cold at night could easily have gotten sick or hypothermic. I do hope she went to a mental health physician and explored what happened as it could happen again very easily. I also wish that the owners at the big foot bodega type place would have done an interview to explain what their interaction with her was. Was she confused or was she aggressive or just unaware of her surroundings? The way her messages read reminds me of a girl I knew in college who did too many hallucinogens too often and would send people bizarre semi aggressive messages or take a sun chair and put it in the middle of campus where people drove and wear her snowboarding goggles while in a bikini and would only eat ketchup out of bowls in the cafeteria. She seemed to always be confused about things while actively being defiant in regards to her needing help.
This is another possibility, she could have used drugs without her family ever knowing it.
I hope that person you described got the help they needed
from a different thread:
@betterl8thannvr
so I did talk to the owners today. An interesting bit of detail, the video mentions that she appears to walk down a trail, but the actual public trail is on the other end of the chalet parking lot. Where Gia walked was actually down a ravine behind the parking lot towards the owners' house. While she was back there, she picked up a garden tool and smashed a bench that they had back there. She then started picking up other garden tools and setting them down very neatly arranged next to each other. The owners are very sweet people and don't seem to harbor any ill will about the incident, but are curious how Gia is doing these days.
she pretended she didnt know what the shop owner was talking about
God damn, you’re a fuckin baddie 😘
I am currently doing some personal exploration on Tonga Ridge, which Surprise Creek drains from. I have found a bunch of different small ponds, lakelets, and tarns on Google Earth that I am trying to reach for a photo essay. This is the headwater area, and the place Gia was found is about 2,000 feet of elevation below where i am exploring. This being said, she was in a place that was very steep, rugged, and overgrown with salmon berry bushes, which have nasty little thorns covering them, and tend to be especially thick around water sources (i.e. the creek bed). Once in the creek, it would have been easiest for her to stay in it. HOWEVER, from the description, it is quite amazing she did not succumb to hypothermia. It is, after all, direct snowmelt. And no shoes...... She would have been truly stuck once she lost them. It is hard enough to keep your footing with shoes on, but no shoes? Well, that is only two more things that add to the oddness of all of this.... A strange case, indeed...
Very good video and I think that your anaylsis is spot on. So many of the "Missing Persons" videos leave out key pieces of info to make the stories seem more sensational. She obviously has mental health issues and needs counseling or treatment. Thank you for looking at these stories objectively.
She’s blessed to be alive…really.
I'd love for you to make an entire video on paradoxical undressing. I find the topic absolutely fascinating, especially with people who should be aware of the phenomenon and should be able to try to resist it
That’s not how it works unfortunately. Once you’re at that point in hyperthermia you’re not thinking rationally. People take their clothes off because it feels like your skin is burning.
You continue to be the most thorough, and my favorite, of all the missing persons channels out there. You go into the important details that so many other channels intentionally leave out to make it seem more mysterious. Thank you for doing what you do
I also have Bipolar and it sounds like she had a manic episode. It happens often. Bipolar is a struggle your born with. Incurable and it's for life. That alone is a huge hit to the soul. Every day is a struggle. The older you get the better you deal with it because you know what's happening next. Hard to explain, but I'm now 50 and I usually know what's going to happen during the first start of a high or low.
Just a reminder that psychology is still a very young and developing field, and that while personality disorders are reasonably well defined and understood, that there still is a lot we simply don't know about.
These things definitely need to be taken seriously, but no one should feel like they are doomed by a diagnosis. Every case is different.
Also, never leave it at a self-diagnosis. If you think that you are suffering from mental health issues, always get a professional involved and be open to discuss your experiences and do not simply discount what they are saying.
It is easy to become frustrated and feel like you know better than them what is best for you, but it is sometimes hard to diagnose a problem with a miscalibrated tool.
Always remember that mental health is a journey, not a destination.
Stay save out there
i do not have bi-polar but in my older age i emphasize the importance of being aware of your emotional state. we have good moments and bad moments and it is important to compensate. i have low times where i have the most terrible thoughts in particular. people used to say " sleep on it. " the next day often brings a different point of view.
@@horrorhotel1999 I was first diagnosed as Bipolar 2 whatever that is, then my suicide attempts at 20 and younger had me re-diagnosed as strait up Bipolar. I refuse to take meds for it as when I was 20 I was on over 10 different meds and I was a zombie. I decided to quit meds 100% it's been 32 years without meds. Yes it's been hell but I still won't go beck to meds. I am however taking natural meds for bipolar which helps me alot better. It won't hide it so everyday is a massive struggle. Natural meds and my Bible helps so much.
I'm not joking when I say you're my favorite UA-camr that covers disappearances. I think you're great. 💜
I love how he embraces rational explanations
Thanks for this man and for highlighting mental health, it's totally misunderstood and is often ignored and is scary when it happens to you, as the case of this young girl shows. Thanks again you have a wonderful truthful channel and long may you continue with these important stories of the missing, God bless.
The audio on the parents' interview is really quiet.
This case should be cited for a lot of unsolved disappearances; the only difference here is that they found Gia and thus could *prove* that she was having a mental health issue when she got lost. Not that "mental issues" are the answer for absolutely everything, but a lot of humans react to their life falling apart/new onset of a mental disorder by wanting to isolate themself, and the woods are great for that...
Was bored as hell until now, you made my day with this upload. :)
Same! I haven't been able to sleep and watching his videos helps relax me, something about his voice and calming demeanor funnily enough works perfectly with this type of content 😉
@@ir0n392 I fall asleep to his vids too. I also binge repeatedly on this channel until he uploads something new.
This one has always intrigued me too! Thanks for covering it so thoroughly and for also pointing out the issues central (but often overlooked) to the event .
Always great to see the actual location of these incidents, big thanks!
Gia's missing time is curious. With her dwelling on the death of her stepsister it's possible she had a fugue state. Many an avenue to explore. An intriguing follow up. Thanks Mr. Kyle
I graduated from Fugue State...with honors! lol
@@curbozerboomer1773 a proud alumni!
I appreciate your channel. You are respectful and kind while diving into the details.
Great video as always. My favorite channel by far, much love; God bless!
Thankyou for the update on this story. I really appreciate how thorough you are with your stories😊
You really do put your heart and soul into these cases and you dont go down the paranormal route you see it from all angles.Well done👍👍
Thank you for sharing this incredible story! Well done! So glad she was found unharmed!! I just came across your channel and I’m looking forward to more of your videos. and thanks so much for sharing the beautiful Cascades - what a breathtaking area 💖
I am obsessed with your work on this channel I only wish you put out a video every week or more. But I know doing a good job requires being thorough and requesting information from the government takes some time. Please carry on!
Wonderful to show the trip to the Cascades at the end. I truly enjoy your approach to videos. Maybe it's the Midwestern and Stoic in me, idk...but you do quality content!
Looking at a case you already did a video on and then going there yourself was awesome. Could see how dense that forest really is in your video.
I see one u launch a video and instantly my day gets better. Ur channel is a instant watch
I’m grateful that she was found alive and is in a better state of mind now. I hope that this beautiful young woman finds her bliss and lives a fulfilling life.
Great work again going on site to show us the location! Gia was very lucky especially that she went missing in Washington's beautiful mountain forests during a good time of year. A survivalist with knowledge of edible plants and self care could probably get by almost comfortably out there during the warm seasons. The lush Washington forests during late spring and summer are some of the few places on Earth that would offer relative safety to a lost person
Great Job Nick! Always going above and beyond brother!!!
Sometimes we can't comprehend another's sadness at the loss of someone close. I felt myself losing a sense of reality after grieving my dog for a year. I'm a 67 year old man who has seldom cried in his life, but I snapped into maniac crying sessions when I least expected., I quit my job, cut ties with friends and family, obsessed myself with how to disappear. It was a crazy, crazy time in my life. I'll say, though it is completely wrong for strangers online, who have no experience with deep grief to speculate and conjure up conspiracy theories. The lives, and emotions of people are not entertainment for others. This is a young girl we're talking about here.
Another great video!! In these instances where the person isn’t found or found after their death, a lot of false assumptions are usually made or made up, should I say.
Your statement “The only one who knows is the Cascade mountains” Is true. Any other added information is just that, added, And mostly false. Thank you for your commitment to the truth in these incidents.
hey missing engima. commenting here from a different name this time before it was injigo. just wanna let you know im still listening and appreciate all your videos
I love your videos so much, seriously. They’re so fascinating and you always present information in such a respectful and articulate manner.
This channel has become my favorite channel on UA-cam
Always a pleasure to watch your videos
As of 2024 I hope Gia is doing okay, mental health issues can be so soul destroying for all involved, there’s no shame in mental health issues, yes it’s hard at times to explain to others or for others to understand, but you just got to seek help before it gets out of hand, I’m hoping her family keeps a close eye on things and gets her the proper help and treatment it’s no good being in denial or overlooking things like this, talking from experience. Thanks for covering this case.
The common thread with a lot of these cases seems to be that sometimes people wander off into the woods for reasons they don’t understand.
This has always been one of the most interesting cases imo. You did an excellent job digging for the details that where needed. Well done.
I'm glad she was found safe, amazing how she doesn't recall missing for several days and nights...she definitely had some kind of mental breakdown... I hope she's doing well today.
There is so much more to this story. Your comprehensive retelling is leaving me with more questions. I see comments here mention a possible manic episode. Quite possibly. Thank you for another great video!
I really needed a wholesome episode of TME with a good, conclusive ending. I hope that Gia is well and that her family is as well.
Missing 'Nigma somehow can tell a story I've already heard multiple times, yet keeps my full attention for the entirety of every upload hes made. I personally believe this channel is pound for pound the best channel on the platform today. Pound for pound best as In regardless of channel genres.. & I can't pinpoint exactly why I feel that way also lol
For example:
If every channel I liked on UA-cam dropped a video missing Enigma would be the first one I watch & will watch it front to back
The human mind and why different people do different things will never be understood by use, there are too many variables. Thanks for the video, I always jump right on any time a new one shows up!
I grew up in that area and you're absolutely right about the brush, it is really thick and the chances of finding someone lost up there are slim to none!
Great story.. thank you for touching on the possibility of mental health playing a roll.. it needs to be taken into consideration more in these mysterious situations...
Makes you wonder what she was doing during those days she was missing. I'm glad she survived the ordeal because too many are never found or were found dead. Great video. Thank you for sharing.
You're a class act. One of the best on YT.
Thank You for doing such a superbly detailed & informative job when presenting these cases. You always tell the absolute truth, you don't sugar coat or make weird, bizarre speculations. What a beautiful isolated scenic view, though - its gorgeous! Thank you, you are becoming one of my all-time favorite channels (and I'm picky! LOL)
My husband's uncle started acting very strangely out of nowhere once. He kept trying to eat his watch. Turned out it was an electrolyte imbalance. The doc straightened that out and he was instantly back to normal. That happened to a man that was eating and drinking regularly, so just imagine the state of mind a person could be in after wandering lost without food or water. People so often try to analyze the behavior of the lost from a point of logic and reason when the person was actually acting without either.
Yes, that would be a case of missing time.. Good thing he didn't set upon the grandfather clock.
@@MISTERPRESIDENTELECTVery funny.
@@scottdavidson526 I do try to help, by solving some of these case in the comments, but sometimes it just eats up time.
A+ ....one of the few Channels i honestly respect .
Look into Hannah Upp. She disappeared 3 times, and was found twice in a fugue state. She last went missing in 2017 while on vacation in St. Thomas, Virgin Islands, and has not been found.
Another excellent video from an excellent channel. Thank you so much for your hard work and professionalism in producing such fascinating content. Warmest regards from England. Felix.
Gia's story proves being missing in the wilderness tricks one's mind.